City Council - Regular Meeting

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I'll just have to... We're not really interested in what you have to say anyway. We're not bringing anything up?

We're just going to get that pillar out of the way. Okay.

At 6 p.m. Is everybody ready

I'd like to call the Oglesby City Council meeting to order. Roll call, please.

Baldrick? Here. Pollinan? Here. McDermott?

Here.

Moyle? Here. Curran?

Here. Please stand for the Pledge of Allegiance.

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for

Okay, number four, Mayor's report. Just two things. First of all, huge congratulations to the Senior League's Illinois Valley Baseball. Matter of fact, you can see that's why we all got t-shirts on today, to kind of help support them. That was a suggestion by Commissioner Moyle, and she kind of put it together for us, so thank you for that. I appreciate that. So their next game is tomorrow at 8 a.m. on ESPN+. Unfortunately, it is in the a.m., so I know it's going to be tougher for people to kind of watch that. But I will tell you that if you don't have the ability to watch it somewhere, you can at least look at it on Game Changer. Maybe if you're at work, they'll give you the updates. It's a really great little app for all that stuff like that. So very excited about that. Looking at some of the stuff either on ESPN Plus or the interviews or Facebook, I'm so excited for the team and I'm so appreciative that they get to represent our area. Little side note is I especially enjoy, if you look at the stuff on the TV, it'll say Oglesby, Illinois. I recognize it is an Illinois Valley baseball team. Yes, it absolutely is. It just happens to be that the person who had to register for everything is an Oglesby resident, so it gets an Oglesby address. So I think it's pretty great. I really enjoy that. So I really appreciate those kids, and I can't wait when they get back. We'll probably have another celebration and talk about that a little bit more. The only other thing I have is on Friday we had our first event of the Aloha Summer Back to School event. I know the weather wasn't so great, so Zoe made a kind of a command decision and moved everything to City Hall here, and it still ended up being fantastic. So she did a great job with that. I was told they had more than 100 snow cones given out. So she's estimating somewhere between 100 and 150 attendees. So that's fantastic. I'm always excited about that. So those are really the only primary things I have for the mayor's report. So number five, public comment on agenda items only. Please, ma'am.

Hi my name is Pat Flecker and I reside at 217A Oakwood Avenue in Oglesby and I'm here tonight to support Kathy Noblock's comments from last meeting in regards to the approval of a zoning administrator. It would seem to me that we have a very qualified individual who would be excellent in that role and apparently the remuneration that's being requested is within an acceptable parameter as well. So I'm asking for the council members here to put any personal feelings aside and let's get a zoning administrator voted on for the city of Oglesby. Thank you. Thanks.

Are there any other public comments for agenda items? Yes, ma'am.

I also wanted to just kind of echo what they had said I am a resident that actually has a petition out there and I am waiting on a zoning administration to come so that I can hopefully proceed with some improvements I've been waiting on for a few months it's been almost three months and I haven't heard anything at all yet just because I know we are backlogged so I also would just like to reiterate and to you know we don't all know what goes on behind the scenes and I respect fully you know I respect all of you every one of you but as a resident that is waiting as I said I know I emailed you all that I'm afraid to speak up or say anything because it seems like a lot of personal feelings involved in this situation and I don't believe that should be the case it should be what's based on what's best for Oglesby and if You can't agree on a candidate, that's fine, but I would just like to see something happen. If the candidate's the issue, great. Give us some other ideas. We just, as Oglesby residents, would like to see something happening. So I would like to respectfully come up with a solution. You know, if he's not the best candidate, I don't know, but just respectfully, could there be some type of solution to this? Thank you.

Thank you. Are there any other public comments on agenda items only?

Good evening. Brandy Day, for the record. Processes. Conflict of interest. Integrity. Oglesby doesn't have a commissioner problem. In my opinion, it has a process problem. It has a conflict of interest problem, maybe an integrity problem. There are a lot of moving parts to a city council and a city hall that I never realized before. My experiences over the last few years have really enlightened me and made me aware of things that I didn't even think about. So I'm here tonight to put things to think about in your head. Take conflicts of interest. A retired city engineer who is a partner in an engineering firm that provides the services to our city. He is married to the now retired city clerk, who was the zoning administrator for our city, both of whom sit on some very important boards in our town that control zoning, land code, permitting economic development, incredible levels of control over important processes. One board even has both of them sitting on it. Two votes in one household and one family. the retired city clerk is now a hired consultant for 85 an hour to help train our new city clerk the retired city engineer has been pushed as the only obvious best choice for the zoning administrator position his experience and knowledge are hands down unbeatable that is absolutely true but what about processes tonight you'll hear about the lack of zoning administrator delaying a facade improvement grant by weeks, forcing the business owner to complete the work prior to grant approval, which is against the rules. You'll hear the committee denied that part of the grant but wants the city to move forward in granting it because of the delays at the fault of the city. I fully agree that the city's handling of the situation did cause delays and that two businesses should not be punished because I and many others want to see new and old businesses thrive in this town. But instead of blaming a few commissioners, let's add context to this. This particular city committee has no regularly scheduled meetings. Once an application for a grant is received, they try to cobble us together as soon as possible. In this case, the application information was incorrect, and if it had to go to a vote, it could have been denied as it was written. So an opportunity came for the owners to revise the application, and then we could convene. And I think that was great. We want businesses to get the grants. Let's help them do that. The email that the updated application was in and the request to convene the board was sent at 3 p.m. with a meeting time set for 6 p.m. that night. I know my name was mentioned in a prior city council meeting because I was unable to attend that hurried meeting date. I was working. As a small business owner in construction, my schedule is chaotic. Last minute things really don't work out for me. How does this tie into the open zoning admin causing delays? That process aside, and it does need to be filled, but that process aside, an even further delay occurred due to not posting notice of the meeting 48 hours in advance in the appropriate places. The committee had to redo the application approval meeting. This added another week to convene, and after that, it still has to go to the city council for final action, in this case, adding yet one more week. The committee only reviews and makes a recommendation. They don't decide the actual outcome. So if the candidate that is the hands down best choice due to his experience couldn't fulfill basic open meeting act legal requirements, nor his required or his retired city clerk wife, who is a paid consultant to train our new city clerk, or the new city clerk with almost a year under her belt, if they couldn't follow the most basic of OMA requirements, What does that say about the people we're supposed to entrust with following our civil processes to a T? Some of these people are involved in informal meetings at the city hall discussing possibly land and zoning alterations without the respective boards. I personally witnessed an informal meeting in the conference room with no less than five city hall personnel and a planned commission board member. But why is that so important? If you pay attention to any of the data center chatter, the solar complex chatter... Hey, Brandy, just want to let you know five minutes are up, but if you want to try to wrap it up, that'd be great. Absolutely. Can I just finish up this last line here? So if you pay any attention to those or have any care for transparency about the land and development in and around our town, these... The people in these positions, these exact positions, are the ones that are making the decisions behind closed doors, maybe without your knowledge or input. I just ask that we take these things into consideration when we're looking for a person for that important zoning administrator position. Thank you.

Thanks. Any other? Yes, sir.

I need to respond to some of this. Randy was sent a notice of the meeting the week before it happened, As was the clerk. The clerk failed to post the meeting the weekend before. It was my understanding that the meeting was going to happen if they could submit the paperwork. So you would post that meeting so that if the information showed up, you could have the meeting. If it didn't show up, you could cancel it. That was my expectation. It didn't happen. So don't throw that on me. As far as my spouse, she is no longer a contract employee in the city. She resigned that position. due to issues. As far as conflict of interest, if I were a design administrator, I would have to come off the plan commission because I'd be an advisor to the plan commission. If I came off the plan commission, I could no longer be on the design review committee because you have to be on the plan commission to do that. And I would expect that I would have come off the facade committee as well. So a lot of those conflicts of interest go away. As far as my employment goes, I'm a part-time employee WHOSE PRIMARY FUNCTION IS TO PROVIDE MENTORING TO YOUNG STRUCTURAL ENGINEERS. HOW COULD THAT BE A CONFLICT OF INTEREST IN WHAT GOES ON IN THE CITY OF WALMART? AND I'LL STOP THERE FOR NOW.

THANKS. ARE THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON PUBLIC?

SORRY, WAS THERE ANY OTHER COMMENTS THAT SOMEONE HAD FOR AGENDA ITEMS?

If not, we'll move on. Number six, approval of minutes from the July 20th, 2026 regular meeting. If there's no additions, corrections, or modifications, can I get a motion to approve the minutes?

I have one I believe I know that I did make a motion last meeting to modify section 2 of the zoning administrator ordinance to add as is lawful but on the second motion following that motion was made by McDermott seconded by Baldrige to modify section 2 of add as is lawful and section 5 to add a given written statement to the board and other relevant officials I believe I abstained on that vote I don't believe I voted yes I think you did, yes.

Okay. All right, so we'll look at that and pending those, if that is the correct, we'll get those additions in there. Anything else?

That would be it.

Can we get a motion then?

I'll make a motion to approve minutes from the July 20th, 2026 regular meeting with corrections as were mentioned.

I'll second.

Roll call, please.

Aye.

Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye.

Aye. Number seven, approval of minutes from the July 6, 2026 executive session. If there's no additions, corrections, or modifications, can I get a motion to approve the executive session minutes?

Did we review these executive session minutes? Because I know we didn't go into executive session last meeting.

Yeah, we did. We did. Okay. We did. Okay. Okay.

Got it. That's the one where you came out and had to do the long list of. Okay. Make a motion to approve the executive session.

I'll second that.

Roll call, please. Baldrick.

Aye. Cullinan. Aye. McDermott.

Aye.

Moyle. Aye. Curran.

Aye. Number eight. Approved bills presented for payment in the amount of $76,577.84. That looks really low. Is that? Yeah, it was low. It just happened to be. We missed the IMEA payment. Okay, I just want to make sure that wasn't an error. Okay, if there's no additions, corrections, or modifications, can we get a motion to approve the bills?

I'll make a motion to approve the bills in the amount of $76,577.84. I'll second. Roll call, please. Baldrige? Aye. Cullinan? Aye. McDermott? Aye. Moyle? Aye. Curran?

Aye. Number nine, approve July 31st, 2026 payroll for the amount of $78,522.42.

If there's no additions, corrections, or modifications, can we get a motion to approve the payroll?

I'll motion we approve the payroll for July 31st, 2026 in the amount of $78,522.42. I'll second. Roll call, please.

Baldrick?

Aye. Cullinan?

Aye. McDermott?

Aye.

Moyle? Aye. Curran?

Aye. Number 10, old business. A, discussion and possible action on zoning administrator ordinance and administrator. Curran. Okay, so this... might have multiple parts here I believe the first one that we really need to do is last meeting there was we did kind of motion and approve McDermott had a couple additional things to make some changes to we did that but technically we have to approve the actual ordinance here so So go around the room if anybody has anything else they wanted to add I know it was a bit messy maybe a little bit but we got the wording in there hopefully so we'll go around the room get everybody has a concern with it or anything and we can hopefully move on from that one I can't bring it up uh it's in the drive I'll put it up on the board do you have a copy of it I do I'd appreciate it okay thank you I always love to get it so it's in the drive right it is in the drive okay so basically mine well I know that's you're not you're not under the council then if you're in department heads groups

We were looking for it earlier.

That's it there, though. Okay. I was in the right one. It's just a minute. Yeah, it's just a minute. It's all right. Well, he's got it up here if you want to look at it there or in front of you.

Why are you in the right? I'm not. I got it.

we can if you're still reviewing we can move on for a bit rich do you have anything okay so mac just let me know whenever you have any comments or things Commissioner McHenry, does that appear to be the two things that you made the motion for?

I don't see the part where. Save that comment.

I don't see where it says.

Mack, I made two changes as instructed by the council. At the end of paragraph two, I added four words as authorized by law. And at the end of paragraph five, I added after giving written statements of said decisions to the mayor, city council. There it is. Okay. and that's what was moved seconded and voted on by the council at the last meeting okay i see it thanks did you have any other comments on that

I don't know if this is the time to ask or not. What was the comment that you made on the radio? Why did you want a zoning administrator? I'm sorry, what?

Are you asking me why I made a comment on the radio?

Yeah, what was your comment?

I don't recall my comment on the radio, but I was asked about it, so I commented that we need one because of the different stuff. I'm not sure how that pertains to the ordinance. It doesn't. Okay. What is your question specifically?

I just want to know what you said. For sure. I want to hear from you. I don't recall. Okay. I'm done.

Okay. All right. If there's no discussion on that, we got those take me to listen to that radio on.

What's that? I think people should have heard you on the radio though.

Well, if they did, they did. I hope. Yeah. Opportunity. Opportunity.

To be clear, do we need a motion since we approved this last meeting?

Yes, because this is the official approval of it, though. So, OK. If there's no other additions or corrections, we can get a motion to approve the ordinance.

I will make a motion to approve ordinance number 1315-080326. And I'll second that motion. Roll call, please.

Aldrich?

Aye.

Cullinan?

I'm staying.

McDermott?

Aye.

Moyle? Aye. Curran?

Aye. Okay, so that's officially passed now. So if you remember last meeting, one of the concerns we had is, you know, I thought we had resolved this to the point to where To be fair to Commissioner McDermott, we didn't actually officially approve it until today. Now it's actually in the books. That was really more just the direction to give the attorney to write it. So I know Commissioner McDermott said he didn't feel he was ready to appoint somebody because we still had to get those fixes for the zoning administrator ordinance. okay great that's been resolved now so i still believe we have an extremely qualified individual um i will comment on i know we just had a citizen comment about aaron posting it up for initial meeting um i don't know if that necessarily was an air on the board i think there was an air maybe done at city hall uh because there again it's because there was no zoning administrator a matter of fact um i guess i can take part of the blame for that so to get the thing moving for them um they needed somebody to coordinate with the uh the customer um the applicant so i took that on i looked at it um i referred to uh becky kleinert because she was the one that helped co-wrote all the changes and technically she is not the here's the odd thing She's not really a member of that board. The reason that she is is because the rules are that until it's been replaced for that, she was the last one. So even though she resigned, that's how she has a seat for it because one of the seats is the zoning administrator. So that's why she was involved with that. I asked her to take a look at it. She had some recommendations, a thorough recommendations of some things that were wrong with the application or things that could be better done. I said that's fantastic if you could give me your assessment. And then if there is some other board members that have an assessment as well, I'll communicate that with the customer for the applicant. So I got that to them. And then Becky at the time, I think it was the week before, said, well, they can meet as early as Tuesday. And I said, I will find out if the customer can applicant can get that in in time so they end up doing that I think between all that confusion and I'll take that on for me maybe it didn't get posted properly I do believe that the board members were aware not everybody could make it but then somebody had a concern that the meeting wasn't properly done up on that previous Tuesday so then they scheduled for the next Tuesday then everybody was present there they rehashed some of the same things but they gave an opportunity for two other members that weren't there to ask more detailed questions so I don't think there was a problem with it it was it was done well I just my point is I don't think that was a fault of somebody as an as an indication that that makes them a bad zoning administrator that's my two cents with that so with that being said I'll go around the room if anybody has anything additional to say about an individual to to fill the position

I will also take some degree of blame I guess as well I was actually conversing with Jim about this and he forwarded me this email that he did send to the facade committee saying all there is a question as if as to if the meeting agenda for last night's meeting was posed with adequate notice to remedy that issue we're going to meet again on 6 p.m. on Tuesday, July 28th. Please let me know if you're able to attend. Jen, Patty, please post the agenda for that meeting as soon as possible. I believe... Yeah, so... Was that the... That was the second one. That was the second one, okay. But regardless, I do think that there was some... I do believe that there was some... miscommunication I will personally take responsibility for that I actually put out a memo to our employees in City Hall after this again I don't know where it aired I where the process aired like I said I think there's some culpability on my end maybe on others and who knows but at the end of the day it stops here so I'm I'm I will bear the brunt of that but I just said moving forward I put this memo in the office we're obviously as the employees know we have to post agendas 48 hours to the prior to the start of any meeting I asked that the board chairman moving forward submit an agenda to City Hall for City Hall to then post on the website I asked that on this memo specifically because I know we talked about this at the last meeting but I specifically asked that at least 48 hours prior those also be added to the community calendar and outlook which is the city events part of our website under I think it's just the lifestyle tab or something like that and then I also advised the people in City Hall that if you don't receive a copy of the board's agendas 48 hours prior to the start of the meeting we we really shouldn't be letting them use City Hall for for this for that purpose so you know there are There are errors in process sometimes, and this has actually been kind of an issue and so hopefully that will rectify the issue but like i said i'll take ownership for that um as far as i'm concerned i i think uh jim is one of the most uh kind of black and white by the book uh adherence to the rules that i uh uh supporter of adherence to the rules that i know so i certainly don't think that that would have ever been his intention and i think that he knows you know obviously how that should be done what I will say though moving forward with this is again I I just don't really I mean I think I'm gonna say I don't really see another option but I don't say that in any way to discredit Jim because Jim is a very qualified candidate but we've talked about other candidates we talked about one other candidate in particular and actually I called and spoke to that candidate this past Thursday, and some of the comments that he gave to me were, you know, in quotes, I mean, these aren't, I guess, direct quotes, but they're paraphrased. Why are you not hiring Jim? He's ideal. I would do everything you can to put Jim into this position if possible. I'm not the most qualified person who applied for the job, but I do believe that I could do it. So even he, the other candidate that we've discussed, suggested that we appoint Jim to the position because of Jim's expertise and also for the cost at which we'd be getting him. I think also... I think also that this council should not be turning down any sort of expertise when that person with that expertise offers their services to the city. I give a lot of credit to the girls in the office. They do a very good job. There was a sizable hole left by the loss of our last city clerk because again, she was also kind of encyclopedic as well. And so granted, maybe the city council, previous administrations shouldn't have put so many eggs into one basket and entrusted one person with so much. She obviously did a very good job with everything that she was entrusted, but obviously it left us in kind of a precarious position. So I think what we should be doing is building expertise, and I think Jim is offering us his expertise, and I think we should take advantage of it. And the last thing I would say is that at the last meeting, Commissioner McDermott, he said that the reason that he would not support Jim As the zoning administrator why he wouldn't vote for Jim at the last meeting. He said it's not the person We can play back the clip if we need to but yeah, he said he said it wasn't the person Hey, you know, he said it was he said it was the ordinance. Okay, we've now changed that ordinance and There's no excuse, at least for him, to not support Jim Klein or his zoning administrator now. But once again, you're telling me what I should do. I will be done there. Yeah, tell me what I should do. Hillary.

So after last meeting, I didn't publicly, I feel it was very uncomfortable, first of all. There is exclusion for employment for a reason. I don't want to be sitting up here talking about personnel issues. That's why there's an exclusion to do it back there. So I felt like it wasn't right for me to explain the reasoning why I didn't vote yes twice. um without talking to Jim first so I did pull Jim over and I explained to him that I do have concerns about conflict of interest it's not just my concerns there are constituents that are also concerned with the the appearance of that and it doesn't even necessarily have to be proven conflict of interest but if there's a distrust with government because there's the appearance of conflict of interest it does just as much harm now I'm not saying that Jim's not qualified he is we're not trying to get Jim out of the city he sits on magnitude of boards he still attends city meetings as a Chamberlain's employee so Well, I saw an email last month. Well, I, again, don't feel like it's right to pull up the sensitive nature of that email, but that's where I stand on it. And I have since then reached out to Austin and tried to brainstorm different options, working for a system that isn't dependent solely on one person. If there is another lapse in a zoning administrator, if it's Jim, because it's going to go up for vote, and I know where I stand, and I will accept whatever the terms are of that vote, but I know where I stand morally, ethically, my integrity, this is where I am firm on. if he does get the position and he leaves tomorrow we're going to be in the same flux so my intention was some kind of succession plan somebody who was a little bit more informed in the clerk's office to keep zoning going we talked about it a great detail it doesn't sound like it's going to go forward but um that was one of the plans in addition to even even doing it internally to to the building inspector until we find an alternative person so I guess that's all I have to say.

Thank you.

Mac?

Well, Austin, I did not say what you were referring to. I said I had nothing against Jim, and it's not about Jim that I voted no. However, I did vote no on Jim being nominated, okay? But I do have some other questions. Since day one, okay, you're fine. Do you want to talk, Austin, again? I mean, you're making your comments.

That was Jason. I said something. My apologies. Go ahead, please. It's okay.

Jim, I do have some questions for you. Are you on any board with Chamlins at all?

No. I'm not on the board. I'm not a principal at Chandler & Associates. I have no hiring, firing, or contractual authority at Chandler & Associates. I'm an employee just like the people that do the CAD drafting. I'm an employee just like a lancer. I do the job, the task they assign me. The task right now is training young structural engineers to do what I used to do.

So you're not actually employed by Chandler?

I am employed by Chandler. They pay me to mentor them.

Okay, they're paying you to coach the newbies, to train them.

So just like the other day, when you and Ross and Troy, two Chandler employees, were out walking the sidewalks for Safe Routes to School, right?

Right.

They asked me questions based on my experience. What would I do, right? I'm mentoring these young engineers as well. That's what I do. You saw me in action.

I saw you in action since day one.

Was there any conflict of interest there when I did that?

I don't believe there was. I appreciate everything you do.

All right.

Since I've started as commissioner, Jim, you've been the one person that says anytime I'd ask a question, you'd give me an answer. I've asked other people in the city that didn't give me any answer or just say, well, drop the ball, and I'd end up having to find it myself. I didn't always agree with you, and sometimes I did.

Well, I don't expect you to agree with me. That's a good thing. That's what the city administrator does.

That's what it is. I've asked you plenty of questions, and you've always came up with an answer. You've even asked me one time, well, Mac, nobody ever came up, said that before, never came up with that. You remember that day? I do. You looked at me and said, well, nobody ever asked that before. And I said, well, that's odd. I find that odd. But you did give me an answer. And you told me why it worked the way it did. And I appreciate that. I guess from what I'm getting from everybody, the main issue is the whether he has conflict of interest. Like you said, you'd have to be off the boards. I don't see any problem with that.

Now, to be clear, to look at the land development code, the zoning administrator attends the zoning board of appeals meetings, they attend the plan commission meetings, answer questions, and provide advice. Correct. They're a non-voting attendee at that meeting.

yeah I get it I appreciate it my main concern would be if there is any conflict of interest and you told me you have there should be none and I have no reason not to believe you if the board can if the council can show me where there's conflict of interest Jim, are you familiar with CPOM LLC? Are you familiar with CPOM LLC? I have no further questions for you there.

Thank you. On July 22nd, in regards to this meeting that happened and didn't happen, I guess, but did happen. On July 22nd, I sent to the clerk, good morning. I would like to FOIA, and as a commissioner, I am requesting any and all information pertaining to last night's meeting. Please include when and where this meeting was posted for 48 hours. Thank you. Have a great day. So I was the one probably to question that meeting. Also, on Wednesday, July 29th, All I received in that 22nd meeting or the thing was exactly what happened in the meeting in the packet or whatever it was. There was nothing that said. On July 29th, I sent another request to the clerk pursuant to the Illinois Freedom of Information Act. I request copies of the following public records, including the date this request is fulfilled. All emails and electronic communications relating to the meetings. All records showing when and where the notice of the agenda was posted on July 21st. including any posting logs, emails, drafts, revisions, photographs, and other documentation, calendar invitations, meeting requests, memoranda notes, reports, correspondence related to the meeting. Unfortunately, that was all I got at the very beginning was the packet of information, I guess, that... that everybody had. Never got one single thing about the emails that had led up to that or anything like that. So I can't really make a comment on that to go back with you, Austin, because I've been withheld again from the...

Hang on, Jen. Hold on, Jen.

When you FOIA something, I don't have to FOIA it again at the same thing. And I am a commissioner, if you didn't know.

I do know, yes. And I sent you all the information that I had from the first FOIA, and the second FOIA hasn't come to me yet. So I'm still gathering information.

I haven't even returned to my stuff for that second FOIA yet because it's not due.

So when I say I'm requesting any and all information, what does that mean?

Well, if you're talking about your most recent FOIA request, it's not due yet.

Well, it was from July 22nd.

What was your July 22nd FOIA request?

I requested, I would like the FOIA, and as a commissioner, I am requesting any and all information pertaining to last night's meeting. So why did you guys decide what it is?

Well, if that was the extent of your FOIA request, I think what you provided was sufficient.

You think? Yeah, maybe you should be a little bit more specific. We'll figure it out, Austin. Don't you worry. We'll get it figured out. And this is my talk, Austin, so sit there and keep running your mouth.

You did ask him a question. Go ahead. Please continue.

I think that's all I have here. Okay.

All right. A couple things with that. All right, I took a couple notes on some things. I do agree that conflict of interest is a concern. I do believe there's a bigger concern of actual conflict of interest more than appearance of conflict of interest. I do believe there's a big difference between those two things. Both are concerning, obviously, but in this case, I really don't think it is a conflict of interest. don't think it's a conflict what i think it is it's the appearance of it because somebody is so knowledgeable and have been involved with the city for so long right so i think that is what people are confusing with that thinking that there's a conflict of interest in fact i do agree with you i completely concur with you on the city for too long i think actually austin might have said it and you seconded it that We have been putting too many eggs in one basket for so long in one role. For example, the last clerk, one of the most capable human beings out there when it comes to anything administrative. She was trusted with so much finance, clerk doings, zoning, just an amazing amount of stuff. So the problem with that is, yes, we put ourselves in a position where one person gets locked in for all these things. You have one single point of failure. The alternate person that we have, while super, super qualified, he already serves as our electric inspector and our building inspector. I did have a concern of if you make him have zoning administrator, we're kind of shifting that responsibility, but we're doing the same thing. We're putting it all into one person. I do believe that what we're doing here is if we give it to Jim Feiner, we're actually making that better. Because before, the zoning administrator used to be mixed in with the city clerk. So that's at least improved that upon by separating those roles a little bit better. The other thing is, as far as involvement with the boards, so i think what i mentioned to all the council beforehand is if he was to become the zoning administrator he would there's at least one board he was going to step down technically he'd have to step down from a lot more boards because he's not on that board he is an actual advisor to the board so his involvement still might be involved in that but if you're concerned about somebody having too much authority he is no longer going to be a voting member on those boards so you're actually again I'm just trying to say that you're actually separating duties technically more so by not putting all eggs in one basket. Okay, so that hits both of those things up there. So with that being said, it's kind of an open forum here if anybody has any other comments on something. I can't remember if there's one more thing I wanted to comment on because I think the individual would still be the right person for the job. And like Austin said, when expertise comes to the table that wants to help, we should be looking at first and foremost.

So, anything else? Mr. I would add, I think this whole conflict of interest thing, especially with the fact that — Ms.

I can show you. I just don't want to do it publicly. I don't think it's right.

Okay. Well, I don't know what you're referring to. But what I will say, from what I'm aware of at least, with this whole conflict of interest thing, at least the stuff that's been argued out here, I think that what people are arguing about is something that is fundamentally the result of living in a small town. You don't have a whole lot of people. I mean, just look at how many people are here tonight to show up for the city council meeting. This is more than normal. And this isn't a whole lot, right? You don't have a whole lot of people in town who want anything to do, and I don't blame them, you don't have a lot of people in town that want anything to do with city government. And so when you do have somebody who steps up, I think that's a great thing and you should be willing to take advantage of that. Now, as far as Jim specifically, right? Jim would be off those boards, like he said. Jim is doing, like he said, some sort of mentoring thing for Chamlin, whatever. But speaking to this dynamic here, I believe, I mean, if somebody working for our city engineering firm is such a big issue and a conflict of interest, I mean, I do believe we have at least one other person who works for Chamlin on planning commission in the city of Woolworth Street. uh... so i mean what about that i don't think it's an issue i appreciate him for service and stepping up and filling that role uh... but yeah yeah exactly uh... so i appreciate that i'd i want smart knowledgeable people to serve in those positions uh... you know and especially you know i'll say i've talked to districts uh... to school districts uh... but it is and you know even in the school district is not uncommon to see even on a school board, a school board member who has a spouse working in the school, a school administrator who has a spouse working in the school. Is that a conflict of interest? I mean, maybe to some degree, but at the same time, I mean, not really. I'm sure people can still compartmentalize things and act ethically. And also, if you don't have that person, if you just exclude that person entirely from being able to serve, who are you gonna have fill the spots? And so that's kind of the situation that we're in now. The big thing here is, who's gonna fill this spot? We don't have another person. We've talked about another person, and that other person has said, well, the arrangement that Hillary and I kind of talked about is not gonna work. We explored another option there. There's been no other names that have come up. I'm receptive to them if those names come up. But, I mean, this position has been vacant since the departure of Becky, which was last year at this point. I mean, it's time to – I can get maybe having some reservations or whatever, and I don't know what it is that Hillary or Commissioner Moyle is referring to. Maybe I'd be interested in seeing that. But I just – I really – I don't think there's any good reason to not support Jim as a Saudi administrator. So that's it.

I do have one question. And, Rich, maybe you're setting me up. If you're setting me up for it, then I'll take the bait. What was the LLC thing that you mentioned? Because I don't know what you're referring to. What is that?

Supplemented Liability Corporation, where Jim is the manager, was. What is it? It's... A limited liability company. It has members, filing date, registered agent's name, and registered office. Purpose of the liability company is organized. A transaction of any and all awful business for which the limited liability companies may be organized under this act. Jim Kleiner's name is on there. What's the company?

What is the company? I don't understand what your reference was.

C-P-O-M. What's C-P-O-M? I don't know. Jim, do you want to tell us what the company is?

He brought it up, and I was just concerned if there was a point trying to be made. I don't know.

That's the top secret of it. C-Palm is a group of four people right now, soon to be five, that own three buildings, and we're landlords, and we rent them out.

It's an LLC business you're part of.

And one of the tenants is Chandler and Associates.

Okay.

I'm a landlord at Chandler and Associates.

Okay. Thank you for that. I was just curious what it was.

That doesn't cloud my judgment.

It was brought up, so I was like, I don't know what that meant, so I thought I'd ask. Okay. Anybody else have anything that's open for them? Anybody has anything?

Yeah. Go ahead. Contrary to what's been said here that no other names were mentioned, Brandy Day's name was mentioned, and she stepped up and did that and was like that. pat has mentioned multiple times that becky is still the zoning administrator in that room there and he's told us over and over that she still is even if she's resigned from her position up until recently we don't know because we're not told much stuff but uh she was still part of the city and getting paid by the city so i'm confused as to when we actually truly lost our zoning administrator and then i have emails here where jason is the administrator and and taking on uh projects and then giving them okays and such that I guess I'm just confused as to how did we not have the zoning administrator? Where'd they go?

She quit.

Well, she didn't, though, because you told us multiple times that she didn't resign, and though she legally resigned from that, she can't possess it. Oh, that's funny.

So to refer one thing that you're talking about, Rich, just as a point of correction, you're referring to an email to where I was trying to get specific development that I can't speak about just yet based on a parking lot size. And we didn't have a zoning administrator. So what I had asked the question was, there is a part of the code that says any office or officer that's vacant, the mayor steps in for that. So what I did was I assumed that that would be me. So I said, i don't think there's an issue with this the zoning administrator gets to make the call i'll make the call and then since that email that you're referring to our city attorney says that provision in the law does not necessarily mean that you are the zoning administrator and i said well okay well then now we have that resolved so that's the email you're referring to uh that's been fixed so it is resolved then you're not the zoning administrator Do you remember the attorney saying that I am not the zoning administrator?

I remembered it since the first time you stated it. But you also took on the economic developer role and claimed that you still have it. And I don't know how. If you don't have the zoning administrator, you certainly don't hold the economic developer position. But you're hoarding all that information.

Do we want to focus on this thing here? Well, we've already voted on this twice.

Didn't we just pass an ordinance that something wasn't supposed to be on the agenda that failed?

That's if it gets removed.

And in this case, if it's a nomination, I think he can keep nominating.

Oh, I didn't see that provision in there. Well, it's not in the ordinance.

That's why I didn't see it.

Okay.

Does anybody have anything else? Go ahead, please.

Hillary, I'm curious as to what you know. What you're saying.

Again, it's the appearance of a conflict of interest. So what I do, I deal very closely with entity types, business types. The LLC can be found on there. The Illinois State Comptroller shows all contracts that Chamberlain has with the state of Illinois, and it's nothing against Chamberlain's. But if I can find it in three minutes of who executed the contracts for 2026, says Jim's name on it, Do I think Jim did it this year? No, because it's a perpetual contract for three years. But here's the thing. I found it in three minutes. It caused conflict. It makes people go, huh, am I being discriminated against?

Okay. I mean, that's an opinion. I don't think that's the case.

And I'm not going to get off of it because constituents do have these concerns. Somebody has to represent them as well.

There'll always be a concern out there if that I'll give an example that Austin touched on when I was on school board We had multiple school board members that had spouses that were that were employees in the school Is it a conflict of interest? No, not really. I mean they have a job to do they're elected into the position They're legally allowed to be there. Does it have the appearance that there is a conflict, but it's an election and So I don't think that's necessarily true, but I do agree. I can see that you are right. The appearance of conflict of interest is still a concern, but it is a far, far stretch from an actual conflict of interest.

And that's fine. I can be on the losing end of something. That's where I stand, and I'm not going to apologize for it.

No, that's fine. Absolutely. You should.

I also just want to add one thing. Rich said Brandy put her name forward. I have no record of Brandy putting her name forward. Instead, what I have is this email from Rich in all capital letters with

One, two, three, four, five.

However many exclamation points, that was the only time her name was referenced in regard to the position.

Because I was sick of hearing how many people keep saying that nobody else at all was done. Okay, but she never put her name in for it, so that's incorrect. You did have stuff, and in all reality, it's Jason's position is to nominate someone. When that fails twice, you're supposed to nominate someone else. That's your job, is to find. What do you mean no?

But it is factually incorrect to say she put her name for it, but she did not.

She did not. It's good to me. Okay, well.

Can't really tell that, but.

Yeah, I commented on that in the last email because I didn't know if you're talking about the maintenance person or whatever.

It doesn't help with the last meeting. Like, I had people that were interested, and the way that it was presented was, like, only the person who wrote the code could ever understand the code. Well, then how can we expect contractors to follow the code if you have to have been the one that wrote it? I had people who said, after watching that, no thanks. So, yeah.

I don't think that's true, that it has to be that person. I mean, it's super helpful. I mean, if Jim didn't exist, or let's say he moved away.

But that's what I'm saying. You're not going to get people that are going to apply.

Or whoever wrote the code 20 years ago would have passed on. I mean, it's not possible for them to take that position. It'd have to be somebody else. I think there's an advantage of that. All right. I'm going to stop going around and around and around on this. Any other comments? If there's no other comments, I think we've resolved all the stuff. We've The primary thing, last one, was that the ordinance needed to be approved We have spent way too much time on this. So I'm going to make a nomination of Jim Kleiner to the position of zoning administrator.

Are we just going to do this until you wear us out, or what's the objective?

I did not have, there was two votes yes, two votes no, one abstain last time. So I'm putting the nomination up again. There was three no. It was not.

What do you mean?

There was three no?

Do I have that incorrect? Yeah, yeah, yeah, because Max said no.

Yeah, I said no.

I thought it was an abstain. The one before was the abstain.

And if you count the ones in the executive session.

I could have swore that what I heard was that he wasn't against, it was because of the ordinance. So now that the ordinance is resolved, I'm going to put it up to see if that can be. So I'm going to make the nomination for Jim Kleinert. Roll call, please.

Baldrige. No.

Cullinan.

Aye. McDermott. Aye.

He's the only one we got that's qualified. I understand your concerns.

Where did the qualifications come from?

Well, he knows the ordinances.

Mac, I need a yes, a no, abstain, or pass. I know what you need, okay? Okay.

Let me tell you something. That's the same thing that happened last meeting, and that was wrong. Okay? Unless you want to vote for me, go ahead.

Just need a vote. Whatever it is, you have options to pick from.

I'm going to have to vote yes because we don't have anybody else. I don't see anybody.

Moyle? No.

Wouldn't it be crazy if I said something else? Yes. Well, why wouldn't you? Done. You know you're going to. So do we take a vote again next meeting or two more votes? Okay. All right. That took entirely way too long. Too long. It should have been done. Next meeting, we'll do it again. Okay. I think before we can move on, there is one more thing we have to do with this because I believe now it's a new position for somebody that's never had before. We need to create. the pay rate for that, is that correct, Pat? Do you need it?

Yeah, we'll need to do an ordinance, but Jim has tendered a certain requested pay rate, which you all found very acceptable, so I think that's fine.

Okay, so do you need a motion to create that? I do, sir. Okay, can we get a motion to create the modification to create the pay rate as put forth, submitted by Jim Feiner? Motion to what?

To establish Jim's pay rate by ordinance pursuant to his request.

Can we read off what his request was?

I can, since you asked for it. He gave a rate of $25 an hour for the first 10 hours of the month. And then after that, it was $50 an hour. That's what he put forth. And I hope, I know he's in the audience right now. I hope he still, after all this debacle, still agrees to do it. Can we get a motion for that?

I'll make a motion to establish an ordinance establishing the rate of pay for Jim Kleiner, the zoning administrator, at the rate specified by Mayor Kern.

Is there a second? So we've appointed a zoning administrator, but we're not going to pay him.

I'll second that.

Okay. Roll call, please.

Baldrige? Aye. Cullinan? Aye. McDermott? Aye. Aye. Moya? Aye. And Curran?

Aye. OK. B, discussion and possible action on CARICO design review board meeting Curran. I think it was supposed to say building improvement grant committee, actually. So that's OK. All right. So with this, this is the first one we've had in a while. I'm very excited. And I guess there's another one coming down the pipe. And there's even another one that I'll get to under new business actually coming. So I'm excited that there's new activity happening. So the the board had met I know we've talked to hopefully we won't rehash this all the board had met There were some concerns if they if they had a proper meeting so they did meet again the next week Talked about the same type of thing. So the summary of it was they made a motion to they Recommended to the board for us to approve the facade grant in the amount of six thousand one hundred and ninety five dollars the second part of it is I should probably read all the stuff ahead of time, was to deny the permanent improvement grant portion of it due to work already being underway as the terms of the grant. But to recommend that the amount be approved at the council's discretion due to delays by the city in processing the application, because that has happened in the past. So I won't go into all the details here. Hopefully everybody's got a chance to look at the minutes from the facade committee. But they break down the prices of why that is the rate, because it's a new business in town. 75% of it goes for this, for the cost, for the lowest bidder. So basically those are the two numbers. I, for one, am excited. It's a vacant building that a new business is going in. It's a new service business, so I'm very excited about it. So that's all I really have to say. I'll go around the room if anybody has any other comments. I don't.

I'm happy that we're going to fill the business. The application itself required a building permit. I didn't see the building permit uploaded. Is that to come?

Yeah, they've gotten their building and electrical permit.

Okay. Okay.

Okay. Anything else? No. Mack.

I'm all for it.

Excellent. Rich. Rich. Nothing. Okay. If that's being said, if we can get a motion to approve the recommendations of the Building Improvement Grant Committee for two payments, I believe in the amount of $6,195. Is that correct? Yeah. Do I have that read correctly?

Yeah.

What was the part? They had denied one part but asked for you all to actually approve it because they had to.

Okay. Anybody have any questions on that, concerns? Why didn't they pass it?

It says in the minutes. I think that work had started, if I'm not incorrect. I think work had started prior to this meeting being convened and conducted, and there was a concern about how long it took for the application to be processed and for this meeting to be arranged. basically i think it said it took them what two weeks uh for the clerk's office to provide the committee with the application and three weeks for the committee to arrange a meeting so um i think it was just this is a good example of why i appreciate our boards um because i

I know I've talked about this in different closed session stuff I appreciate our boards and our employees that look at things in a black and white thing And and they they make a recommendation based on the rules that we have provided them And so that's why they they came back and said to prove this portion technically by the rules as written this portion should be denied but then they give a recommendation because we have the ability to to do something different, and it has been done. That has happened in the past. So I like the idea that they put that forward for that so everybody knows all this stuff and we're as transparent as possible. So any questions on that?

No, yeah, just, I mean, hopefully... again, I don't exactly know what the holdup was with it. But I mean, as long as this doesn't, you know, become a recurring trend, you know, whatever.

Well, we do got two more coming down the pipe for this. And hopefully by now having a zoning administrator that I give it a little bit more direction with that. That probably was a big part of it. Anything else?

mean this is I'm gonna be honest I'm voting to approve this but the process part of it is is is something that I'm having a hold of here because in the top of this like nothing against you Nick you submitted your stuff but there were people in town who submitted stuff before you you And I get it, the absence of the zoning administrator, fine. But why did this one get bumped to the top where something else didn't? The facade? Well, anything.

Well, the other stuff is significantly more complicated. And I'll talk about that a little bit. when we get down to 11E. I mean, the building for the liquor store thing is incredibly complex. So it's not that things aren't processing for that, but that's even one that's been kind of put on hold because we don't have a zoning administrator. That one's incredibly complex. This one isn't as complex. If you're asking why things took.

But like the resident that came to the podium, I don't have any record of anything. And I asked like that she had something in the works.

I'm so sorry, I don't remember your name. Were you the one that had the short-term rental application? No. Is that you? I'm so sorry. I have you mixed up then. Okay. I don't recall that specific one.

So nonetheless, I guess the topic at hand is this. I want to encourage maybe a process improvement in this. And I would be happy to be involved, but I know nobody wants me involved. No, not you guys, but...

No, I think it's good. I'm always about process improvement. I really am. And again, Austin was talking earlier about the mistakes that we've made or something like that with getting things posted for an agenda. I just want to go back. If this was five, six, seven years ago or longer, there was never an agenda ever posted for anything other than the ones that were super required by law, like something that had to go in the paper, like the Zoning Board of Appeals. and the plan commission meetings. All the other ones, park board meetings, it never really got done that way. So we have gotten way better with this. Granted, there's always room for improvement, and we should be better about stuff, but we have not been perfect. But it has been a process. Okay, anything else? Anybody have anything else on it?

We can get a motion then to approve it.

Do you have to do it in two since we're accepting, we're not just fully accepting the board's decision?

Well, how would you like to make, however you'd like to make the motion?

I mean, that's my question. You can do it either way, but I think you can do it all in one, Hillary. Somebody could do it all in one.

Okay. So do we need to add the two numbers together here?

I would just, I would do it super easy and say I would make the motion to approve the facade amount in the payments of both payments of six, that way you don't have to add it.

I'll make a motion to accept the recommendation of the facade committee from Tuesday, July 28th to approve the facade grant in the amount of $6,195 as well as the permanent improvement grant of $6,195. I'll second. Roll call please.

also another thing with this is they when they I should have mentioned this too when they put this forward there was also an I shouldn't say an error they were trying to use the secondary part of the new program that we have with the utility abatement but they didn't have all their documentation in there and some of the stuff was supposed to go to the other one the good news is the that utility abatement one as per written can actually um be applied for even up to 90 days after the business opens so i'm still hoping we're going to see that come through because i still want to see a business utilize that so um okay c discuss new events current um uh okay so the concern i so i'm not trying to do a gotcha moment but i've had people from the community come up and ask how are we paying for um the music in the park down at lehigh and i gave him an answer that i don't know because it's not been we didn't do an appropriations for it and we said that we were i remember trying to fight to try to get more events in the city and i believe the thing was that uh the city was going to have to approve any new events so i guess my question is What is the answer that we are going to give when residents ask me or other businesses say, hey, how are we paying for the music in the park down at Lehigh?

I would probably respond that this is the third year in a row for that so it's not even considered a new event and also I guess it's being paid for the same way that we pay for the Dickinson House Foundation to have the municipal band over there how do we pay for our summer events and everything else for the children like there's a parks fund right

well the summer you're talking about for like fun fest the summer well like when your son was uh teaching tennis or whatever soccer or whatever like those are all events too well i don't consider those events i can't say that our parks and rec program but but i mean that's i guess that's splitting hairs on that um as far as the summer fun fest things and everything like that that's again i just want to emphasize that was a big concern that this council raised and we specifically put that into the appropriations so i hopefully that has been resolved I know there's always better ways to do that I'm not saying that we shouldn't have a party down in the park I think that's I think it's a great thing I just want to be able to make sure that we are doing it properly plus I wanted to give Baldrige I want to give you an opportunity you did send something out over the weekend I said technically I have

by accident i have this on there did you want to talk about the other event possibly because it's such a short term to do so um i did get a response back from this gentleman he asked us about having a circus here in town besides the one we're at here uh he said hello uh thank you for your reply i have answers for all your questions and let's hope the council likes it there is no hosting fee financial commitment from the city we never charge the cities we visit the only thing we need from the city is a space to make it happen what we need from the city resources are a grassy field about 125 by 125 foot to set up the tent, then somewhere in the vicinity to hook a garden hose to. Many places we go put us in the public park where there are restrooms for the people. If that is the case here, that is fantastic. But if not, I can also rent in portable restroom units. My team covers the entirety of operations. We set everything up, staff the event, and clean everything up when it's done. I also have insurance for the event, which we add to the city as additional... insured on for providing the space. In terms of dates, I'd say a Saturday, Sunday weekend would be best for Oglesby. The two options that work best logistically for us would be August 29th, 30th, or September 5th, 6th. We would do a 3 p.m. and a 6 p.m. performance each day in those cases. In terms of a deadline, it's really more about when we fill our calendars, so the sooner the better. We reach out all across the region and try to be booking a few weeks in advance. Our event is funded entirely through concession sales. We have popcorn, cotton candy, classic circus-y snacks, and little light-up toys. And if people like the show and like what we do, then we accept donations from the people. But we never charge any family a single dime to bring out the whole family. Watch the show and have a great time. I know it sounds a bit strange, but this is what we do, and we make it work. I believe I mostly covered what responsibilities would be handled by us and by the city above, but please let me know if I missed anything. I've reached out to over 50 other locations in Northern Illinois. I know they are currently looking for a spot for us in Oregon, Illinois. we try and keep the places we go over an hour drive apart so for instance we wouldn't go to both lasalle and oglesby i'd predict we'll be in northern illinois for about three to four weeks then southern illinois for another three or so weeks mostly depending on where has availability and who is interested in having us we have done around 60 cities so far this year alone and i'll list below a couple contacts of a few of them so you can get an idea of how things went i guess when we talk jason if We thought that there would be some sort of a cost associated with that. I don't know. Other than letting them set up a tent, I don't know what we'd need council approval, really. It would be nice, I guess.

I would think they'd need electricity too, Rich. He mentions water.

Yeah, he just says a garden hose.

Maybe they have their own generators.

I don't know I mean that's that's pretty amazing when the first opportunity came up I thought oh if they're not charging people that means they're gonna need to charge us something so um yeah I'd like to look into that I mean yeah so here's the thing we can't take a vote on something but I mean I like we'll give direction to you on what we want to do with it I think it's a great opportunity the only thing I don't like is trying to bring new events to the city with such a short lead time We usually plan our events so far in advance. One thing I want to make sure is we're not damaging another city if they have a big thing going on. That's why our things are laid out so far in advance. So if any of those, if you'd like to work with the clerk's office or Zoe and see, just to make sure that none of our nearby cities have some other kind of event going on. Like I hate saying we're bringing a circus and all of a sudden it's the same weekend, Sweetcorn Festival's happening in Mendota. And then I got the mayor calling me going, what are you doing? You know. So that kind of stuff. I think it's a great thing. Anytime we can get more activities for more events happening, whether I prefer downtown, but I mean, don't get me wrong, a party in the park down in Lehigh is fantastic. So we'll go around the room and offer if anybody has comments on either one of those options, both the music in the park or this new circus.

Totally cool with the circus thing. I think it would be great. I so I I didn't necessarily as far as the music in the park I think that's great to love it I think you know I don't think that park has really been utilized half as much as it should be over the last over really throughout my lifetime honestly but I do agree with you Jason there was a concern about like line items appropriations things for different things and so And this appropriations, well, I would say there's not an event fund, but there's two funds where event stuff comes out of, it would either be, the main one is Motel Hotel, But then the other one would be summer fun fest fun But I think motel hotels the main one and so I mean if you go through the appropriations this year With the numbers that were given to us in the appropriations under motel hotel There is a line item for bark in the park entertainment bark in the park equipment bark in the park DJ bark in the park miscellaneous supplies bark in the park advertising bark in the park food and Bark in the Park raffle basket, Boots and Brews Entertainment, so all the way down. So, you know, I do think, you know, if that is what we want to see, we should be consistent and we should make, I mean, obviously, well, I guess, yeah, we probably, I mean, the fiscal year ends about when we're done in office. But I would encourage, you know, in the next appropriations that, you know, if we're going to, that for all of the events that we have now that we also do it for things like music in the park but I did inquire about this because this did come up I did inquire about this and I believe what this was billed to in the appropriations from last year I believe I was told it was put under motel hotel and it was miscellaneous and contingencies if I'm not mistaken and so again I don't even really think that we have to break the events down like we did, but I know that was the direction that we wanted to go. So I do think it's good to be consistent and do that, but wholly supportive of the music in the park and wholly supportive of the idea of the circus, just be consistent. So that's it.

Circus, good. Yay. But if we're going to talk about events, like the police are doing their national night out tomorrow, like how far are you taking this? There's things that happen within a department that's solely in the department. Like Summer Fun Fest is all-encompassing. It touches every... Sorry, guys. It touches everybody. and my water bottle in every department. So I feel like there is some coordination expected. And I think that was mostly what the frustration was, is that there was no coordination of who is going to do what, which brings me up to a larger issue is not even really an issue. I wanted to maybe make an appointment either with Mayor Austin, including maybe Chief to discuss how we can keep the communication going. Because when we do bring these big events in, Police presence is necessary in some cases. And this is more so than just events. This could also be Dickinson House rentals or if there's like a giant graduation party down at Lehigh and they rented the pavilion. These are things that probably coordination needs to happen within the police department that we could improve.

So I'll jump in on that. So I had a conversation with the chief after a IBRD board meeting because he asked me the question and said, hey, what's this thing with this? music thing in the park because we need to probably schedule some police with it. And I said, you know what? That's the problem. Again, I'm getting questions from everybody. I do not know the details of that. But then he had a great comment where he says, you did sign the liquor license, right? And I'm like, I did. I did. So the thing that's weird about that one is this is probably the first time that we've had a liquor license for a special event. that didn't already come through the council, right? Because usually all of the other ones, right? Whether it's something that is done, like if it's done at the root beer stand or it's a special type of event or something like that, usually the council, like we close off the street or something like that, the council has an action for it. So this was a unique one where the council didn't approve anything. So I recognize that with the chief and you're absolutely right. You know, if anybody is doing these kind of events, just like FunFest, right? That needs to be a significant discussion because he has to reserve people for that to make sure that we have stuff. If the event is super, super large, you might even have to go to outside sources to be able to get resources and things like that. So absolutely. I agree. Matt.

Well, I think it's a great idea and it's a great opportunity. I don't think you'd have to worry about any other city having anything because I'm sure it's not that big. I mean, it's not Ringling Brothers Circus. And I do agree with Hillary. The police department does need to be notified for any kind of event so they can have enough personnel on the call. That's it.

Rich you always say to get the park board involved on February 18th. They were involved and Angie spoke to Spoke on the upcoming music in the park for the late summer fall and is looking to have a we are always be do a beer garden once or twice with some fundraising attached the board agreed that a beer garden would be welcomed and fundraising should start with trees and Lehigh and Memorial Parks Um, also for the circus thing, I kind of need an answer so that we can, I don't, are we going to wait a couple of days and figure out who else is doing stuff?

I think, I think you kind of have consensus from the council and the fact that we don't have to put a dollar amount up. I don't think you probably need a council vote. Otherwise you would. So the good news is I think it's within your, your realm to do so.

I was with the time. So we should push it out as far as possible, I think.

It helps to do that so we can get more people there, especially if you're doing something with under a month. But the big thing is I would work with Zoe to make sure that there isn't a conflict with another city going on. And I generally don't worry about cities like get out as far as Morris and stuff like that because there's too many events. The ones I'm really concerned about is LaSalle, Peru. Mendota, Spring Valley, Ottawa to some extent, because those are the ones that we really share a lot of the people with. We try to have an agreement with all of them that we don't take major events over top of each other. So if you can find something in that few-week thing, that would be great. I think you've got your concurrence here, unless I read the room wrong.

Why don't you ask the circus to give you dates, and then you should go to Zoe and say, hey, which one works?

829, 830, or 95 and 96. That's Labor Day weekend. So I look at something like that, it's free, and they can come and enjoy all that. Why should we not offer that? Even if there's 10 things going on in the area, this is something that families don't have to spend any money at if they don't want to. They can

enjoy their labor day weekend and have some time out with their family and it's not going to cost them again i don't think there's enough concern to say don't do it i just want to make sure that there's not a nearby neighbor that has a major event going on and i don't know off the top of my head if that is the case or not that's that'd be my only fear because i'm not trying to yeah i'm not trying to cause i just don't want to try to cause bad blood with other cities i mean we're already

No.

Okay. And as far, my two cents, my two cents as far as the events for the party in the park, again, it's about consistency. If that park board made that recommendation, then that recommendation should have came to the the main council here to approve. I don't think there's anything wrong with it. I just want to make sure that, again, because I wanted to try to create a lot more smaller events, and I got an incredible amount of pushback from this board here saying that any new events, this council is supposed to be approving. So I want to make sure that that's in the same realm.

So are you saying for next year the police need to budget for first responder night if they decide to do cops and bobbers again?

If you remember the conversation we had from over a year ago, that was one of the events that was already listed.

But you're saying you want an appropriated line by item for consistency.

We at least have fun-festing, right? Because that, again, remember I think I commented during appropriations, it's not perfect. We don't have every single one. Maybe that will get better in more detail as time goes on. Austin wrote off some of the things that were listed in that thing there. I do think it needs to get better appropriated.

over time I'll say I didn't think this had to be this specific but it was the direction we chose to go so but as far as that's concerned you know off the cuff in a vacuum

Okay. It was just discussion. Is there anything else on the topic at all?

Again, it is the third year, so this isn't a new event by any means.

okay point taken uh 11 new business a discussion and possible action on iml conference current i put this on here uh because i think this time last year we had already approved it i don't have any figures up there i put something out for the council on what days people necessarily want to go i would prefer not to have to go up multiple days but unfortunately there is some really good things on thursday and i was hoping at least some commissioners or somebody would be available i really can't take multiple days off work um so i was just planning on going up friday but if there's other people that can do more days i think that'd be wonderful um just thought i'd put it out there so we can and if Whatever people want to do we can get it on the agenda for the next one to formally get done because we probably got a block rooms and things like that so The dollar amount last year.

I was told by Jen was 13 5 that we authorized the maximum of so I Don't know if that number needs to be bumped up or whatever I actually don't I guess I didn't check before the meeting how much we actually spent last year on it but I assume it was enough since we authorized 13 5 for it and I know last year there was kind of a weird thing where checks for it were issued beforehand. I think we talked about this issue probably about three times since I've been on the council. I think we might have also changed an ordinance to address that so I believe the ordinance would well at least my recommendation from an administrative standpoint would be that people submit for reimbursement after the conference with receipts as opposed to getting that check and then you know figuring out what the difference was and giving the difference back so just administratively I think that's the best way to do it and I assume the ordinance that we passed I don't remember the exact word of it but I assume that that would allow for that so that's it

I appreciate that thank you I forgot about that that was actually one of the other reasons I put it here to talk about that so Hillary I will review my schedule and I will let you know we got some big changes at work too so I have to look at those dates

I'm perfectly fine. I'll call Thursday and Friday. I'm available. Thank you.

Thank you. Perfect. Rich? Yeah, I don't believe that that's an ordinance, really. I think that was a mandate by the state of Illinois under the Travel Act. So it's not like we just made something up. No, we did. We had to make a travel meal lodging act right back. We had to make a travel ordinance, though, that mirrored that.

I want to say we modified it after that.

Yeah. So what happened was previous commissioner of finance wanted to do it to where people got paychecks ahead of time in case they needed it. I really don't like that idea. I love the idea of.

people putting in reimbursement checks so that way they can actually get compensated for the money they actually spent up there i think that's the right way to do it and i think that's what we agreed to do so hopefully we won't run into that problem again yeah um and pat can tell me if i'm wrong but i believe what the ordinance or policy that we changed was to say that you guys would make a record or you would agree to up to a certain point and then everybody would um like submit receipts and we would do it that way so you did want to get to

Well, so I do have it on here, possible action, but in reality, we don't really have action in front of us. Unless you wanted to make it that simple where we just set a dollar amount, you could do that, and that way it's done. Or do you want to put something together, and then we can actually... What would you prefer to be asked?

Honestly, I think just doing up to the dollar amount would be fine. The city will pay for all of the hotels, but other than that, it's just going to be reimbursement. So that would be the only – the hotel amount is the only thing that really will do anything for us to start with.

Well, then here's what I'd recommend, Austin. Do you want to make a motion to pay – you know, authorize up to $13,500 for – for possible reimbursement costs for it. You could do that. And if you find out that the 13.5, for some reason, the cost had gone up to where it's not going to cover that, then we can adjust that.

Well, I think 13.5 last year probably, I want to say that did include the room. So I think we authorized a total amount. That was everything. Yeah. So I don't think it would be for reimbursements. It would just be total reimbursement.

However you'd like to do it, or if you want to wait, we can do it next week. I just want to make sure that we get things back. I think you need to get it back. The law is pretty clear you need receipts.

Okay. That's fine. Okay. And the ordinance that we were doing and we were speaking about a year ago was that we needed pre-approval. And that's what we need the council to do tonight is to give us pre-approval. But you do need receipts on everything.

Yep. All right. If you want to make a motion. One last thing we have to put on the agenda next week.

Did you recommend that we do it for next meeting, Pat?

Yeah, I recommended that you look at the numbers so you know what you have to pre-approve and put it on the agenda for the next meeting, Rich. Is that a problem?

Could we just put the overhead gen that's going to call up there and do the room? I mean, no one else can modify that or do anything to it. I don't see how that could be.

Well, the room isn't a problem so much.

Well, everything else you have to have receipts for. All right.

Well, I don't want to waste a lot of time on logistic stuff. Let's just put something together, put it on the next agenda, and we'll get it resolved. Okay. Excellent. B, discussion of possible action on Cassell Training Cullinan.

Yeah, so this is something that I believe Aaron and Patty went to last year. I don't actually think that this is something that has to be a council-level decision because it won't exceed $25,000. And I do believe there was... I'm not mistaken I do remember a conversation previously it was before I was on the council but I remember Commissioner Stefanelli saying you know the council has to be the kind of has to kind of be the oversight for members of the council but obviously council members kind of are the oversight for their specific employees and so I don't necessarily know if this is something that needs a council But they'd be going up there. I don't remember how many days they spent up there last year.

Two days. Yeah. It's two days up in Wisconsin.

Yeah.

I would think under our rules that if you thought you needed to accompany them, then. I won't be accompanying them. Yeah. So I think it falls within your purview then of your employees.

I agree. Okay. Department heads can approve their own.

Sounds good to me. Do you want to talk about it or anybody else have any concerns on that? OK. C, discussion of possible action on peddler's license current. I guess this is put to me just because nobody else wanted it. So OK, so I completely understand that we have an ordinance for peddler's license and things like that. And I do believe that there still could be some value in that. I do kind of question the value of a peddler's license today versus something like 40 or 50 years ago. you know, the Internet exists now and stuff. And I kind of want to quote when I was in the audience there, and it was Commissioner Porter up here. I can't remember what it was for. I think it was something for roofing or something like that. He had a great line where he says, I don't think there's been a public outcry for a need for roofers to come through and knock on people's doors. So I think, in my opinion, is for Peddler's License, it makes sense. there is if there's a known need for a public benefit to have people knocking on people's doors for stuff like that and then so in the past if there was something we know or because we worked with the internet company to provide fiber places I thought there was value we did that for a couple years but in this case it's pest control and I believe encyclopedias so and I know some of the other cities do it I I'm not trying to deny somebody the opportunity to do that, but I just don't know if there's, in my opinion, I don't know if there's value there. I'll tell you what, I would recommend that we deny it, but I'll tell you what, if there's a public outcry in the next meeting or in public comments, we get 20 people come up and say, I want someone stopping. or encyclopedias or books, I will apologize and say I read that one wrong, and we can come back and approve Peddler's License. That's my opinion. I don't want to be having people bothered at their house for things that are not a public benefit. That's my two cents.

Austin? I think I said something to this effect last year, but I really don't care one way or another, so...

That said, it's not a hill I'm going to die on. I bought encyclopedias when I was a kid from a peddler in Oglesby. Oh, man. I thought they were really cool, but it's not a hill I'm going to die on.

Matt? I'm all for dictionaries and encyclopedias, but don't we have an ordinance on that already?

The ordinance is the peddler's application that they put in.

If you have to file an application, you have to approve them back. The question is...

So the peddler that we're approving is pest control.

They put it pest control, and I think there's two for pest control.

There's a whole group of them for pest control, but they're all together. There's just like maybe three or four people that were going to do it. And then the book one, there's only one person, and it's just the college kids that come through every year worry about this time where they're trying to sell kids' books and things like that.

okay well i'll tell you what i got two commissioners thinking there's a sudden if i read it wrong i read it wrong and i'm okay with that so um rich

Are these guys local, the pest control? Because we do have local. Oh, I don't remember looking at the application.

I don't think they are. They run through because they do get a background check by the police department. I think everything came back okay. So that's that. Okay, so the good news is I don't have to make the motion. So it's whatever people. I prefer that. don't allow it though but I read that wrong if commissioners think hey I remember times where we got encyclopedias that way I'll make a motion to deny it I am not trying to strong-arm you if you believe there's value there's a motion and a second to deny the peddler's permit applications roll call please

Colin. Aye. McDermott. Aye. Moyle. Aye. Curran.

Aye. Well, that was a fun one. Okay. D, discussion and possible action on Gonzalez, MOU, Moyle.

So this is something that's been in the works for a while. One of the things that we have been discussing in closed session. It's kind of like one of those things specifically, do I talk about the details of it publicly? Because it, okay. I guess I can announce with the passing of this, if we all agree, as far as March 8th, 2027 will be Officer Gonzalez's last day with the city. So it should be a celebration and I wish him the best.

Absolutely. Mac?

Well, Gonzales, I've worked with you for quite a few years. I'm all for it.

Thanks. Rich? I'm for it as well.

Austin? No, nothing beyond thanking Hugo for all of his years of service. I think he's one of the few police officers left that I know my dad worked with when he was there, and it's kind of a whole new department. So, again, to see another familiar face go is unfortunate, but I wish him the best in retirement.

Yep. The only thing I have to add, just for explanation of why would you do an MOU for someone retiring? Because I believe he was a transfer in, and his situation is a little bit unique for him to qualify for his years of service. I won't go into the details of it, though, but we do have to approve a specific MOU to allow him... to continue his retirement and it was negotiated. It's a great fair thing for both sides and I think it's amicable and everybody should be happy about it. So I wish him the best of luck and thank him for his many years of service. And I'm sure we'll probably do something on retirement yet in March time frame. So if there's nothing else, make a motion to approve the MOU.

I'll make a motion to approve the MOU on Gonzales.

And I'll second that motion.

Roll call please.

Baldrige.

Aye. Solonet. Aye.

McDermott.

Aye.

Moyle. Aye.

E, discussion on liquor license for new wing snob, Curran. Okay, so that is not a typo. You probably thought it was. So here's what I can say. About a week ago, we had a meeting with with the liquor store. There's been some complications with the liquor store, trying to get that going. The public knows about all that. That's one thing. And in that meeting that we had, one of his business partners informed me that he is looking to purchase the old Burger King. And in the Burger King, he is looking to put a business in there that is very similar to a Wingstop. So when he's saying all this to me, I'm like, that's fantastic. I said, do you know about our, he says, yes, I know all about your facade improvement grant and everything like that. So he's looking at, we gave him an application for that. trying not to show my excitement because that to me is the biggest is the next biggest eyesore we have in the community and he said well one of the things is because you know it's it's like a wing stop we would need a liquor license would there be a problem in getting a liquor license and i told him i says i seriously doubt you would run into any problems getting a if you are going to revamp that building um he says okay how do i go about a liquor license and that's where i i had to talk to him i said well here's the thing right now the way it works is because we have an available liquor license because we did have another business close I technically can approve that he says great that's wonderful and I said well hold on the problem is a couple years ago I was part I was even the person that made the recommendation that I don't believe that a single person in the city should be the one that gets to make the decision if a business does get to come or doesn't come And I wasn't the mayor at the time, and I still believe that to this day. So I said, the problem is I made a commitment that I would get concurrence from the council before doing that. And he says, okay. And I said, well, so keep in mind, if I get concurrence publicly from the council, that means they're going to know about your development here. Because there's other developments that I cannot wait to tell everybody about and talk about, but I can't because due diligence hasn't been done. And he said, well, I don't have the land completely done yet, but I don't have a concern about that. I said, are you sure? I said, because if I talk about it publicly, I can handle this a couple different ways. But if you're sure, he says, yep, absolutely. Talk about it publicly. I have no issues with that. I think it's great. I think it's wonderful. Hopefully I'll get everything completed by September. I said, perfect. So that's why I'm here talking to you about that. So in the old Burger King, they are looking to do a – a wing snob, which is apparently very similar to a wing stop. I wanted to make sure that nobody here has a problem with giving them a liquor license because it is a new location that never had a liquor license before. We do not have to modify the ordinance, but I just want to make sure I have concurrence from that. If I don't have concurrence, that's fine. We can talk about that a little more detail, but I just want to make sure that everybody has a comment that has an opportunity to comment on it.

Austin. I don't have an issue with it. Like I've said in the past, I'm supportive of – I don't like the idea of gatekeeping liquor licenses or anything like that. If somebody wants one and there's not a concern with the product – or if there's no concern with the products they sell, I don't really think that we should be limiting them from getting one. So I'm supportive. Okay. Hillary?

I hope they come. I hope it all goes through.

I'm telling you, when he said it was the Burger King, I'm like, oh, my God, that's the next biggest eyesore. How can I make this? We need to make this happen. Okay, Mac.

I'm all for it.

Rich. I'm supportive, but I'm opposite. Did you say they're buying the building or did they say anything like that?

I believe they're trying to buy it. That's what I thought he said.

He did not give me a date, just said September. And I said, are you sure you want me to talk about it? He says, no problem.

I know that they have already put the application for the liquor license in, but we can't process it until they own the building. Correct.

They need to have something saying that they're going to own the building.

But they have already done stock.

Yeah, so I'm very excited about that. What I did tell them is, you know, the funny thing is I can't imagine what would have to come there for us to want to say no to it. I mean... There's probably only a few businesses I could think of off the top of my head that we would say no if they're going to revamp that entire building. There's a few things I could think of. There's a few things, but not much. So nobody has anything else on that? We can move on. 12, public comment on any topic.

Yes, sir.

Please do not tell me that you're not going to accept this role, the appointment. If you say that, I will probably lose my mind.

Nothing along those lines. I just wanted to share. I was expecting something on the agenda tonight. It was not. On July 24th, Mr. McCormick shared with me an application that somebody made for a special use permit and a request to change... textual language in the land development code and you guys got that email on the 22nd because patty received it on the 21st and she forwarded to you guys on july 22nd so here we are two weeks later typically what we've done when we get those kind of requests is the council refers it to the plan commission all right i did some reading of the land level code yesterday for Pat would be that doesn't specifically say to count that deferred, may the zoning for the Planning Commission take it up without being deferred? I think the proper thing is for the Council to review it. Okay.

So here's a request. I think it should be discussed and referred to the Planning Commission. Here's the problem.

It was submitted on July 21st. The Planning Commission has 60 days from receipt to act on. So we're 14 days tomorrow. The next meeting is another 14 days. Half of the time to act is gone. And then you have to advertise, which is going to take you another week. It has to advertise for at least two weeks. So now the planning commission is down to one week. actually have a meeting and make a recommendation.

Jim, I apologize. There's been so much. That's my fault. Stuff that keeps going back and forth with so much with zoning, administrative stuff, something might have been lost in translation. Can you give me, what's the subject of the change?

We had a business request a special use permit, and I'll tell everybody. It's the dog grooming thing, right?

Is that what you're talking about? No.

No, that's something different. So I'll tell everybody that I had a meeting with these folks. and Planning Commissioner Kyle, the chairman of the board. We met with them and said, hey, look, your application, what you want to do here doesn't fit the zone. This is what we think we can do, that you can do, that you can actually present something to the Planning Commission to give an opinion on. They looked into it for quite a while. They came back, filed an application. They talked to Burton about it. Burton kind of gave him a plus-you-submitted type of thing. But we haven't moved forward. So the question is, can we wait another two weeks to put this on?

Can I make a recommendation? I guess I got the email. I didn't realize there was action to be taken. I apologize. It wasn't very clear. Is anyone available for a special meeting so we can move this forward?

I'll be honest. I'm at a loss here. Did it get glossed over? I'm looking at it. I'm looking at it.

I think it's what I asked about at the beginning of the meeting. Is that it? What is it? I just think we need to get it to the plan commission. I'll arrange that meeting, Jim. I'm fine with that. The council's got no problem referring this to the plan commission, correct? I sure don't.

Do you recommend that, Jim?

Do you recommend pushing it to the plan commission? I agree. I'll take the ball.

I apologize. I apologize. I thought that something was moving with that. I guess I didn't recognize that you needed something on the agenda for that. Otherwise, I wouldn't put that on. Again, now that we have a zoning administrator, hopefully those things won't get overlooked.

Well, that ain't his fault. That's mine.

The question, Pat, is we have a 15-day publication requirement. Right. But the other thing is the text amendment. Technically, a property owner can't. request the text only the council can only council can but the planning commission can make a recommendation on their own so in this case would we without a recommendation from the city council allow the plan do you want to consider making a recommendation on a text how do we and does the advertisement for the hearing need to be two separate lineups one for the text change yeah and one and one for this special reviews for special use i'll take care of that job all right

Do we need to have a special meeting to formally approve it quicker?

I don't think so. At least I don't know yet, Hillary. It depends on when we can get the plan commission meeting set up. My first task usually is to reach out to Kyle, make sure he's going to be here because he's the chairman, and then hope we get members to follow in place to be able to be at that meeting. And we'll try to time that. before your next meeting, but we can't because we don't have to.

Let me ask you this, Pat.

The first time the council will take it up is the first week in September. Is that within the 60 days, Jim? Yeah.

Well, it's not the council that's taking it up. It's the planning commission that has to give a recommendation.

And then it's got to come back to us.

i like to have final action on it within the 60 days myself right but pat let me ask you this so i i know one of the things that the council can do is we can formally recommend actions for the plan commission to review things and stuff like that i know that the plan commission can come up with their own things to do something like that is in this case if it's one that requires a publication does that still fall in that category that they can do that then

that they can come up with.

Because I know that they can put forward things that they believe that needs to be addressed in the city if it's one that requires publication. I think that's the answer then.

And it will say to consider the request of so-and-so for this text amendment and to consider the request of so-and-so for this special use permit. So we'll cover both in the publication.

Otherwise, I wish we could just do it tonight, but technically, per our rules, we...

we'd have to have it on there so I think what I'll need is I'll need letter of resignation from your your various boards because you'll be and then and then what we'll do is we'll we'll put that out to get those appointed then thank you sir

Thank you, Jim. My apologies.

Appreciate that. All right. First act as zoning administrator. Look at that. Okay. Any other public comments on any topic? Being none, we'll move on. Commissioner reports number 13, Commissioner Cullinan.

I don't have anything tonight. I know a few people have said it, figured I would say it for the crowd. Happy birthday to Commissioner Baldrige. That's it.

okay why don't you throw mine up okay first thing i want to do is i want to honor the july first responder of the month brett valley sergeant brett valley began began his career with the oglesby police department on august 25 2010 and has faithfully served the city of oglesby for more than 15 years throughout his career he has worked in several different capacities within the department demonstrating his versatility professionalism and commitment to serving our community As a supervisor, Sergeant Valley leads by example and is known for his strong work ethic, dependability, and dedication to the department. He consistently goes above and beyond what is expected, frequently volunteering to work extra hours to ensure the department is properly staffed and that the community continues to receive the highest level of service. Sergeant Valley's experience, leadership, and willingness to help others have made him an invaluable member of the Oglesby Police Department. His commitment to both his fellow officers and the citizens of Oglesby exemplifies the qualities of an outstanding public servant. And this month is sponsored by Noble Store. How very exciting. And then next meeting, I do have the statistics for July, but I'm going to save them for next meeting.

All right. Commissioner McDermott.

Okay, first off, congratulations to the senior baseball team. Yeah. Let's go win that championship. Also, I would like to ask people to be careful. The street department will be painting curbs up by the school. got to make sure that that's safe for the kids the wastewater treatment plant is making headway thank you visering and for the individuals with the safe route to schools i'm looking into something with the water um we'll have to figure something out and jim i apologize i should have brought that up i should have kept on it thank you that's all i have rich

I'd also like to thank and congratulate the central baseball team here, and I wish them good luck. I think they play tomorrow. Last day of the pool is August 8th. Music in the Park, thank you to the Parks Department for getting things in order for this night of fun for everyone. They did a tremendous job with the fields for the tournament and then got right to work on everything else. Music in the Park will be from 7 to 10 this Friday, August 7th at Lehigh Park. Plenty of parking by the pool. It will include a beverage tent sponsored by We Are Oglesby, with all proceeds going towards their fundraiser goal to refinish the helicopter in Cannon and Memorial Park, estimated to be around $20,000. Tony's Tacos will also be there to serve tacos. Tomorrow night. After the first responder night, Ducky Derby will be dropping in the ducks in the pool at 7 o'clock. Please bring your kids to help splash the ducks to the finish line, and their lifeguards will be on duty. That's all I have.

Thank you. Number 14 is executive session. Before I read all that stuff, do we have anything in there? I don't have anything. I know you have an update, but I think you've given pretty much. There's no action. There's no action yet that we can take. Right. Okay. Does anybody have anything else then?

No.

In that case, we'll skip executive session. Sorry, Mac?

Make a motion to adjourn.

Well, number 15, adjournment. Can we get a motion to adjourn? Second.

Baldrige.

Aye.

Cullinan. Aye. McDermott. Aye. Moyles. Aye. Curran.

Aye. We are adjourned. Thank you, everybody. Have a great night. Go Senior League, Illinois Valley. 8 a.m.