Apc - Regular Meeting

Okay, we'll go ahead and get started for this evening. This is the October 8th, 2025 meeting of the Miami County Plan Commission. Do a roll call, please. Uh Tim Alwine here, Dan Hunt, Brad here, Scarlett Graves, Brent Palmer here, Brad Muscleman here, Jamie Hopper here, Lynette Smith here, Greg Wilkinson here, Courtney Schmidt. Okay. Uh we'll go ahead next with the minutes that uh were sent out. This was from the September 10th meeting commission. Any additions, changes, corrections need to be made there. Do we have a motion to approve?

Second. Any discussion? All in favor say I. I. Opposed. Motion carries. staff report please.

Sure thing looking at our staff report um and the work that we did in September we issued 42 permits which was up that was an increase of 75% over 24 permits that we issued back in September last year. Of those 42 permits that we issued, two were for residential additions, two commercial additions, one carport, a deck, four demolition, five electric, one fence, three garages, a greenhouse, a mobile home placement, one personal solar energy system, four pole buildings, 15 roofs, and one storage shed. You do have one a permit that has been requested and you'll look at here in just a few minutes. We did close out 27 permits in the month, process six or seven split applications, and assigned one new address. We did have three petitions uh filed to vacate public ways with the board of commissioners uh that I've been handling. Um so there'll be four now, but we've been working through. Two of those just passed on Monday, and the commissioners will see another one week from now.

Where's that? Where are those locations at for those? I have two in the town of Miami and then two in Parisburg.

So, the two in Parisburg just were approved on Monday. Uh, looking at our revenue, we brought in $5,883.80 from permits, which was a 16% increase. Uh, we did have two variances applied for and one administrative appeal applied for. Um, it's been weird with BCA. they've had a push meetings uh or variances back and forth. So, they will hear hear four variances tonight in that administrative appeal. We did have five contractors registered. Um looking at our complaints and violations, we received 13 complaints. All 13 of those did turn into violations. However, Brooke was able to resolve 20 of those violation cases. Uh bringing us to an active total of 118 violations that were in process right now. Um, we did not send any happyoggrams to Mark this month, so no cases his way. However, we did issue two fines totaling $200 for violations. We placed one lean for $160 from unpaid violation costs. Uh, we did have three mowing orders that were issued and two of those were completed. So, we're still waiting on one to finish up here. I think you're working on it today. Um, mowing order payments. we received from people that we had already done their mowing order was $2,10. We had a partial judgment payment of $600 from a court case that uh we had processed last year maybe. And then total fines received from violations were $2,610. Um we did pay out 3,000 or $3,600 for mowing orders as well. Lastly, then looking at our unsafe buildings, we had one complaint that was turned in. It did turn into a case. I did not issue any orders in September, but was able to

close out four cases. So, bringing us to an Oh, and then I did assess $2,500 worth of lean for willp failure to comply with the rehabilitation order. Uh, bringing us to 34 active unsafe building cases. Is there any update? I know uh we worked through the process with the Gryom in on the contract. I think the commissioners voted to approve that contract from a vac.

Correct. That contract was just signed two weeks ago. Um, I've been in touch with Denny excavating and uh, the last thing we are waiting on is they just got the waste manifest all set up um, with the disposal and they are now submitting to ID them for uh, the notice that we're going to be demolishing this building. Okay, removal's done.

That's all done. It's been remediated. I sent all those documents to uh Denny and so that was the piece they needed for the IDM notification. So any commercial building has we have to send submit that notice to IDM to so that they can schedule when they're going to come out and take a look at it. So it should be moving here quickly.

You have an update on the flood plane.

Oh yeah, I was going to do that. You want me to do the expense report? Whatever you want to do. Okay, I'll do the expense report and then I'll do that one. Um, looking at our expenses from September, uh, some of the ones that are a little bit out of the normal here, uh, we did pay out, uh, for, um, the Belera Casino Resort and Spa. Uh, one of the things that now that we have a third person in the office has afforded us, uh, is the opportunity to start to do a little bit more continuing education credits. So Megan and I spent two days at the Indiana Association of Building Officials code conference. Spent 12 hours learning building code, residential building code. Um so we paid that out for the hotel. That's a partial payment right now. There's still a little bit left that we'll have to pay. Um we did have that judgment payment that I mentioned earlier. Um, Megan did have to renew her uh Indiana Association of Planning Officials um membership for the year.

We did uh one of the things that we did get was a new desk for Brooke. That was something I had tried to get last year right at the end of the year and just too many things going uh at the time. So, uh to get that done. So, we did get that finished out here. So, she has a nice new big desk. And then, if you look at our cell phone bill, we did pay $9542, which is a larger cell phone bill. That is due in part because I uh got a new cell phone. It was getting to the point where um we were having a hard time splitting cell phones. So, we're all three going different places, so I did order a new phone. Otherwise, everything is pretty much status quo with bills. Uh we've spent 28.82% 82% of our budget so far and we have a hefty balance remaining.

So that's for the plan updates that correct? I need to double check with them. I don't remember how when we pay that plan update. Um but I I'll look into that. Any questions for Corey on the staff report the expense report update?

Yeah. Um, this month has been a month, the past month has been one of those that I've done a lot of out of the normal kind of things. Uh, one of those being that DNR requested a and FEMA requested a flood plane audit. Um, so it had been five years since we had done our last one as a county. Um, I was sweating there for a minute, but happy to report that we did pass um, our audit there. They didn't find any discrepancies, anything that was uh, concerning to them. Uh, so they looked at all of our permits. we've been issued in the flood plane, everything like that. So, big weight off of my shoulders there. Uh they also commissioners did approve the changes that you looked at and uh passed on to them last month. Um commissioners approved that Monday for the revisions to the flood damage prevention ordinance. So, that went into effect and I'm still working with the town of Amboy to get their flood damage prevention ordinance all squared away. Um, I think they'll be voting on that here this week or next at some point. So, that'll be coming into effect. Um, which is a good thing. The other little bit of good news that we did get out of that flood plane audit, um, I thought it was just supposed to be our northern guy that was coming for it and the head of uh, flood plans for the state in DNR came and threw me off. Um we will be applying as a county um to for a flood plane um certification because of some of the courses and training that I've had to do. Um we can actually get we'll be able to get a discount on any residents who pay flood insurance in the county. they'll get somewhere between a 10 and 45% discount on their flood insurance just because I'm trained in this stuff and we have adopted higher protocols than what FEMA and Indiana state have we have to have.

So it's a big savings hopefully for them. Um done flood insurance is not cheap. So um we're doing a lot of the things and so we come in you can come in at a level 10 and I'm already on my and seven's the highest you can go. Uh I'm on my way to almost meeting an eight. So, we're about topped out on what we can get. So, nice to get some relief for hopefully those people questions go to Corey. I don't know about that a lot. So, just some good news there. Good job. Thanks. Yeah, great job. Very beneficial to our residents who need that. Okay.

Anything else? No, I think that was it. Okay. Any committee reports for tonight? Okay, hearing none, we'll go ahead and start with the old business for tonight. The first one is going to be an unsafe building case of 30-day progress check on unsafe building case 20-23, the Stronger Family trust. This is 467 East, 800 South of Bunker Hill. This is, I believe, the property across from the schools,

correct? Um, you just saw an update of this last month and they requested uh to look at it again this month. Uh, if you remember, Dr. Song was trying to process an eviction. So, we were watching that. Um, I don't believe there's been an eviction file that I saw. Uh, and then Megan was out there today. Um, these were the pictures from last month. And then if you go on, still in the same state that we were last.

I believe we asked for communication. You've not had any communication from him? The only communication I have was last week he did drop off a notice that he had applied for and was granted from uh Judge Spar relief to travel out of the state. But that's the only thing I've had. believe there was discussion at the last meeting about uh a lack of progress over the last couple of months with this and there was a discussion around a civil penalty. So I will see how the board wants to handle it.

Mark, I believe all the notices have been served on that. Is that correct? all the notices of like the original order and hearing. Yes. Do about this continue enforcement order and all that. We've not issued a a notice to demolish. It's just a unsafe building. Is that correct or That's correct. I mean, the order was to demolish. We haven't done anything as far as taking bids.

Yep. Okay. If if that's the route the planning commission wants to go, I with dealing with Dr. Stronger and knowing how he is, I would prefer if we're going to go that route, get court permission before we take bids. And there there's a process. Either we can just go ahead go take them or we can get court authority to go ahead and go take him. Gives him a little bit extra due process. He does like to argue in court. Um, and if we don't do it first, we're going to do end up doing it eventually. Um, but I do know his property I think sold in tax sale last month. So, we also could wait a year and it property did sell in tax sale.

Pretty sure. Yes. Cory Cory was checking it. It did. Okay. So, if we were to issue a fine, it would go to the new owners. want to I get confused on this piece. Uh it could because essentially it attaches like a special assessment onto the property and so then yes, new owners would be responsible for any assessments that attach after the tax sale. We could also wave them later. Correct. Just keep that in mind in case he does redeem. But

but if it's sold in a tax sale, he's got a year. He's done nothing so far. Yes. He's going to do nothing. Have we confirmed? I mean, I know you said that you looked into it as far as eviction, but is there any way to confirm that somebody is or is not living there currently?

Yeah, I think there's somebody living there. There is a camper motor home, something like that, right beside the house, too. So, I think they're bouncing between. So, Mark, what happens if we were to get go and get bids and it gets taken out to where we do get it taken down? Say it cost whatever $5,000. Does that go to a lean on the property, then the new owner is responsible for that and then it just winds back in the tax sale?

Could Yes. because anything that we do ends up being a lean on the property. Now, we can try to go after him for a judgment as well, but we're only going to get paid back really most likely if it's a lean on the property.

Just because we demolish the building doesn't mean that county gets paid back or there would have to be a lean put on it as well. That's where if somebody purchases a tax sale, then they do a title search, you know, when they're going to go for the the tax deed and they see, oh, there's thousands of dollars in leans that have been assessed. I don't want this anymore. They just never apply for a deed, it's stays in Dr. or Stronger Family Trust name and probably waiting for it to go back to tax sale or then commissioner certificate sale. It would be probably a lot like the cases that we dealt with last year where you know we imposed a civil penalty and once the pro once the place was cleaned up then the then the lean could be removed.

Civil penalty might discourage somebody from buying it though. Correct. Well to finish the process. Yes. to get the tax sale deed. So they don't get that for at least a year and then they have to apply to the board for it. Yep. The other part of this is I I don't believe I don't believe that we have uh or I believe we have exhausted the unsafe building fund with with the other three properties and the and the aggressive men. So the there would have to be an appropriation from council in order to to until January. Until January. Yeah,

there might be some left over, but I'm waiting to see those bills come back in. I mean, what was I mean on the low end? They were around 10 grand. Is that my is my memory serving me correctly? For a demolition model. Y somewhere if there's $10,000 left in there or not. I I think there there is um we can

Yeah, I mean if we go through with with with the demolition and ask for bids, there needs to be a double check to make sure that there's appropriate funds available to go through with that contract. This could we so since you we should go through the courts to do that to get an order would we have would we require him to get a court order to demolish it or would we just say hey we're going to demolish it to the courts? It's essentially an order from the court saying we have authority to go ahead and bid and contract to demolish the house,

which in reality is probably not going to happen this year,

being sold at tax sale. Do we They're just table this for six months or something or and know it's kicking it down the road, but if it's sold, it's tax sale. Yeah, they have after it's sold at tax sale, they have a year to serve notice. So when was and go after go after the deed? Late September, 23rd of September was the tax people that purchased it knew. Uh, I assume there was some notice there's an unsafe building. There are orders recorded. Whether they know that or not, I don't know.

Usually don't do title searches before the tax sale. Yeah. At least that's what I've seen. What course action do you recommend, Mark? I mean, so you said that he's very argumentative in court. So, is a civil penalty penalty just going to stir things up more or do you think that's a motivator? Does that make sense? I mean, it definitely will stir things up more. That doesn't mean we should we should avoid that. I I think that's fun. Um, so it I I would be shocked if it's not redeemed though because I mean you're letting even though the house probably has no value, the property does. So I'd be shocked if he let that value go just because of the house. Um, so that's where maybe imposing a civil penalty is what we do in the short term. get it updated in two, three months just to see if there is any progress even though there probably won't be once winter hits. Um, and revisit it again or just wait and revisit everything, even the civil penalty at a later date. Well, being this is right across from the school, I think we need something to push this along. I don't what would be appropriate civil penalty to put on it.

I believe the one that we did last year was $5,000. That's the maximum you could do. Y and again, we could we could put the we could we could put the penalty on there that if there's movement or you carry through with it, then the penalty could be removed.

Make a motion of it or do we have to fill out the paperwork? No, there's no paperwork that we need to do, but if you're making a motion, the motion needs to be to impose an additional, if you want to say, $5,000 civil penalty because the board finds that significant work has not been accomplished and the premises have a negative effect on property values or quality of life in the surrounding area. I will make that motion. Mr. Dwin has made a motion. I'll second it. I have a second. Any discussion on the motion? $5,000. Yes. Okay. Any discussion on that motion?

All in favor say I. I. I. Opposed. Motion carries. We don't need to go to courts to do that piece. As long as that motion is written in the minutes, I think that'll be sufficient. Uh, do you guys want a three-month followup? Oh, yeah. When do you want to follow up? Yeah, sure. Three months. Two months. Okay. Uh we'll go ahead now. We've got uh two more unsafe building cases. 74-25. We'll just hear them together if that's okay, Corey. Yep. Two different properties.

Yep. We'll just we'll deal with them at the same time if that's okay. 74-25 and 7525. This is James and Ra Boon at 5553 West State Road 218 and 775 West State Road 218. This is a 30-day and 60-day progress check.

Uh, so we looked at Megan was out this morning and did take a look at this one um here that you had looked at last month. Um, and so this is what it was last month and then it does look like there's been work on it. I'm confused though. Um, and you can go to the next picture too. It does look like it's being rehabilitated, but there was a demolition order put on that one. So, I I don't know what what's Which one is this that you're talking about? 74.

So, I don't know about How about 75? Yep. 75 then. Um they have started work to demolish this. These are pictures from today. Um so it looks like it's on its way. So that was a a good thing to see.

Update Mr. Boon. Mr. Boon here. Yeah. Yes. Update the property at 553. It looks like you're rehabilitating that. Is that what you're doing? Or is are you going to tear that structure down? I'm not going to tear it down. They don't have the money to tear it down. Okay. It's a deal. It's going to cost $25,000 tear down or put three or 4,000 in it and have a sell wide. Okay. It was never inspected on the outside.

And so what's your intention with it then? To just enclose it and then have us take another look at it or your intention to enclose it and then have another look at it. Take another look at it if you want to. I didn't know there was any anything that made it unsafe what color walls you had in a house. Yep. I believe there's is it five items on the unsafe building.

Yeah. That you voted against. Yeah. Yeah. So there's there's five items that when we looked at the property said that it was unsafe. I was never told this.

So it was done at the public hearing that you and your wife were at when you guys came to the previous meeting and it should have been in the documentation that was sent over to you. So the order was sent to you and then the continuous enforcement order that we adopted as well. What are the Can you say what the unsafe items are? And then if he is able to address the unsafe items, what would he need? What would he need to do? Yep. So, we'll have to pull that. Um, it's a pretty lengthy report. Um, but there's is it five items, Corey? I don't remember. He's like,

there's one that And is that was that sent with like a certified return receipt in somewhere. Yep. It should be there, but it's, you know, the it has to be in inhabitable. It has to meet uh, you know, a current building code. Um, it can't be a public nuisance

and a public health hazard. So, um, you know, things like having no roof, you know, being open to the elements, not having electricity, those are the sorts of things that go into that. But there was um we'd be more than happy to send you a copy another copy of the report. It it should have pictures and everything on there. So the pictures of the inside. Yep. Yeah. So I mean this this was a house, correct? A house,

right? Yep. So, you know, if it if it's being rehabbed into another house, then it then it needs to be inhabitable. It needs to be able to have a electricity, you know, heat, air, the plumbing, all of the things that you would have in a house. So,

yep. So, we'd be we'd be glad to to send that to you, but Yep. And if he is if he is able to address those to where it becomes inhabitable, like does he need to get permits to Yep. So there would just be a remodel permit. It's relatively inexpensive to be able to, you know, turn it into a structure now. Um can he be denied getting a permit? Um, I mean, we never, I think, want to discourage anybody from fixing something up or building a structure might be that somebody told him he wasn't going to get

Yeah. No, I mean, remodel permit. Yeah. Yeah. But you also have to tell us what your use is of it. If it's going to be a barn, then you're going to get a permit to build a barn. If it's going to be a house, there's obviously different standards that you have to meet there. So, yeah. No, if you want to fix something up, we're more than happy to help support that. So, thank you. Yep. You're welcome. Are we modifying my original order, rescending it? What 30 or 60day progress check? How about that? Is 60 days. Okay. If you could give him 60 days. My mom's my opin right now. And so it's

I I know that he had just had his second hip replacement. When he got the notice, he got a two week uh extension. And so it's he's still in the rehab. He does a lot of the work on his own, but he is making progress. So, there's work being done. So, I'm not opposed to looking at communication. That's the big thing. Communicate. Yeah. But the problem is the order was to demolish. Yeah. So, we we need to that needs to be addressed somehow. Can he get a permit with a demolish order on there? modify the original order.

I would say you need to modify the or rescend my original order

or why don't we if we just allow a 60-day extension that's something that we can work we can work out in the next 60 days or do we need to take action? Does he need to remodel before he starts the remodel or is it just that I guess that just by saying I have the intent to remodel doesn't necessarily mean it's not still an unsafe building. And so, right, there needs to be a condition on the property that says it's no longer unsafe, doesn't need to be demolished, it can be rehab.

Yeah. And so unsafe building and and demolition are two separate things, right? And so that's where maybe if so even though you issued the continuous enforcement order, Cory has the authority to revoke his order at any point. He doesn't need the plan commission to do that. You can order him to do that, but he can do it on his own. So if he goes out, looks at the building, says, "Yes, I think you can remodel this. I will modify my order to be a rehab order," he can do that himself. Okay. And then then if it So we can give them 60 days to work that out and Yeah.

decide if they're going to put a pool in or a hot tub or whatever. Um, what got it all that my house that I live in is unfit, unsafe, unhabitable. Was that from the auditor? You? Yeah. No, I I know. I looked at that. I meant the call. Who was the call from? It wasn't from me. From you. No, you had to whoever scheduled the meeting with you, right? Yeah, we we did take a look at your house. Yes.

Ask him how many infractions he found in my house. Yeah. The how many the infractions that we found at your house actual actual residence was that your roof was not completed on the outside and then there was softing that needed says you have to have softing on a house and your building codes. I I I've dragged my feet on that one. There's a rehab order that will be coming for that one so you can get your roof fixed on there. It's finished. I hired a man to fix it. Yeah, I I just see it with a lot of way.

He just was they were just upset that why somebody would come into their home that has running that has all of these things that no infractions. He found no infractions in what happened. And and that's what I was trying to explain was that like, hey, we got a report. If it was going to be there was nothing going to be if if we found nothing by looking at it, then I could just close the case. However, we did find that your roof was not in great shape when we were there. You were missing your roof, part of your roof. So then you've had three orderers. There's no nothing wrong with the roof on the living area. Yep. So it sounds like that that's got resolved and it was resolved. Yep.

Did you get a roof permit for that? It was a just a repair. Just one spot. I know. We need to see that work. He did it himself. Go look. It doesn't matter. I got to see all of that. This is a personal bandana, sir. I can assure you it is not. You're I need to have a roof permit for that one. No, I don't have to have a permit. You do for a few shingles.

You have to I have to see all of those things underneath it and how it's been put back together. So, we'll need to get a roof permit for the house. I will also need to come look at this place right here, my inspector, to see that everything's put back to normal, right? You're going to need a rehab permit for this place and you need a demo permit for the other the trailer. I went to get a demo. They would not give me one. Oh, he did. Okay. Sorry. Then take the demo permit off. You already got that one. I There's a 791. It has a 911 number. They would not give me a permit. We issued him a demo permit for that trailer.

Right. I think you have the wrong number on it though. He had to write the right number to I do not own 775. Yeah. And I checked with 911 and the assessor and the auditor on that. The address I don't know what the address is you're giving us, but the address we have is the one that was on the parcel and reports. It's not I don't own that. There's two modules. You're looking at the one in the back that has Right. And and I did double check that because I knew he was pretty set on that. So, and I was going to correct it, but everything we show is And the gentleman that was the contractor that was working on it has many jobs. Is your contractor registered

just to get so him off our back and that's what he has got to accomplish. Okay. So, we're gonna kind of give 60 days here to kind of get all this stuff cleared up. Does that sound good? We'll check back in in 60 days. I I hope I get him back. Yes. He had has license. He has insurance. He's not registered with us. So, he'll need to register with our department, please. Yep. So, so the county has a registration for contractors. So, yes, he has it. Okay. Yep. So, we'll just need to insurance. over from

Yep. So, we'll just need to double check all that. We'll get y'all squared away. Okay. So, I have a motion for 60 days. So, moved. Okay. Second. Motion. Um motion. Okay. Any other questions? You okay with 60 days? Okay. I'm happy to get that list to anybody. So, just someone reach out to me and I'll be able to help. Okay, second. All in favor say I. I opposed. Okay, you second that. Jamie did. I think it was. Okay.

Okay. New business for tonight. Uh we'll go to a permit 313-25 uh for Lisa Repetit on 200 West in Macy. We'll start with the staff report on that, please. Uh, this petition was brought in the office on September 26th by the property owner, Lisa. Uh, she would like to construct a 40x 64 foot whole building on her property. This building will be used to store farm equipment, implements, and tractors that they use on the surrounding fields. No bathrooms, electric, or living quarters will be included in the build. The structure will not be heated at all. And then the parcel the building sits on is 10 acres of A1 uh zone land. I did not see any issues with this request. This application says it's a Rochester address. Oh, I think that's the mailing address. I don't know why it's pulled. I got you. Okay.

Yeah. Just the data. Are you here? Okay. Anything you want to add on this? There's no living quarters, no in-law outlaws, nothing going on there. Okay. No big barnaminium, mini house, anything like that. Okay. You'll see that there is a zoning map and a site plan in there. Um, she just took down several buildings on the property, too. So, uh, they will be going in that or it'll be going in that spot near where those buildings were. Motion to accept. I second that. Any discussion? All in favor say I.

I. Opposed? Motion carries. Thank you. Okay. Alternate Board of Zoning Appeals member selection. Yeah, we've been kicking this idea around for quite a bit of time. Um, so BZA we can well and I think maybe employ commission uh put in alternate board members in case there's an absence and we've had quite a bit of that lately with BZA. So um Randy Hileman has stepped up and will be an alternate for I believe grant paid on BZA but we will start looking at alternates for the other board members. Um, but one of those appointments to BZA is from plan commission. So Brent is currently serving as the plan commission rep. So we'll name it somebody else from plan commission if Brent is not here.

You're asking for that selection at least to think on it right now. Maybe maybe we don't have I don't see straws out here to draw straws. So I mean Brad was on the board for a long time. So I think that's that is a perfect fit. I'm already there. Okay. So, we will think on that and select and vote next meeting. Does that sound okay, Cory? Is this going to be an election between you and Tim? Oh, hope my wife is not watching. Okay. I hope we don't have to use that the alternate action.

And to to clarify, it's it's which I I know Brad knows this, but how many meetings do you think you missed last year, Brad? two, maybe three, one or two probably. Yeah. So, I mean this this is a once in a while scenario except for the past six months, but yeah. Yeah, that would help. Yeah. Okay. Comprehensive plan update.

Yeah. So, as we have started rolling on the comprehensive plan, um I've sent the design firm all of our documents they need. Um but the last thing so that they can kick off everything is setting up the steering committee. Uh so this would in theory be roughly 10 to 15 members. Um and we need to select those. Um you can see here on this list uh they've given us some suggested people here. That's that first column there um of different people. And then in the middle column where you'll see yellow is what we're missing. Mhm.

Um, and anything in red, uh, type is an idea that's popped in my head or one of the three of us have thought out. Uh, so I really need some help on this and need this done sooner than later. Uh, they've been pushing pretty hard. So, and you're looking for how many? 10 to 15. And so it doesn't have to be somebody from every one of those, but we're just looking maybe somebody who can fill multiple slots in you. The ones in white you said have confirmed?

No, those were just ones that I thought were solid people that I didn't feel like they were pretty like it would hurt necessarily. I mean, you could extend the invite to them knowing that some of the utility folks might not What if I have some suggestions for people from Denver? Yeah, I get them to you later. Correct. Yeah, please take this home so that you can uh Yeah, look through that, think on it. So, I would say the school district, you could invite the superintendent or somebody.

Elaine, would you be willing to serve as a citizen on that steering committee? I'm flattered that you would ask. No. You would not. Okay. No, I served on a smaller and it was not a good experience. So, would it help if we brought cookies and punch or something?

So, feel free to take that home. Um, and I need to regroup with them on that quickly. I'll try to ding-dong you guys sometime next week to see if we have some ideas. Okay, sounds good. We'll go ahead and open it for public comment. This will be for public comment for the plane commission. BCA will start here in just a minute, but not hearing any. Do we have a motion to adjurnn? I motion. All in favor say I. I oppose. We're return. Okay.