Planning & Zoning Commission - Regular Meeting

I'd like to call this meeting to order. Um, tonight on the agenda, uh, sorry, uh, this welcome to the October 6th meeting of the planning and zoning commission. Uh, tonight on the agenda, we have one public hearing, two letters of recommendation, two information reports, one site development plan, and one new correspondence item. Can I get a roll call of commission members, please? Commissioner Bourne here. Commissioner Hoffrey here. Commissioner Con. Commissioner Clayton here. Commissioner Deppler here. Steppler's here on Zoom. Commissioner Jackson here. Commissioner Rubis here. Chair Batty here. Council member Marsher

present. Mayor Geritano. Thank you. Um, does the Department of Planning have any opening comments? Uh, thank you, Mr. Chair. I'd just like to introduce again Mr. Prior, Brad Prior. He's with John Young's firm and is standing in for Mr. Young tonight. So, we appreciate your service and being here. Thank you. Thank you. All right. Can I get an approval of the minutes from September 2nd, please? I'll make a motion to approve. All right. Motion by Commissioner Clayton, seconded by Councilman Marshall. Any discussion? All those in favor say I. I. I.

I. Any opposed? Any abstain. Abstain. All right. Thank you. All right. So, motion passes. One abstension. Now, I see where I swapped those. All right. Um, so at this time we'll go into public comment session. If you're here for the public hearing, um, now is not your time. But if you're here for any other other things on the agenda, uh, Mr. Newberry will call you to speak when it is your turn. And as a reminder, all individuals have three minutes. All people representing a group have five minutes to speak. Uh, Mr. Newberry, do you have any speaker cards?

Yes, sir. Before I do, I just wanted to note that Mayor Garano has joined us on Zoom. Okay. Thank you. Um, the first speaker, Mr. Chair, is Miss Sheer Holtz. Oh, good evening, Commission. Um, I was here, I guess maybe four weeks ago to talk about the horse facility. Name and address first, please. Lisa Sherholds 967 North Guyire, Kirkwood, Missouri 63122. Thank you.

Um I was here three or four weeks ago to talk about the fields at Clouds End Farm on Babler Park Drive and I just wanted to say good evening and we're very excited about the vote tonight and I'm here if you have any questions after the presentation. Um the we're still asking for the same thing, no changes. Um they've uh the commission has given us a lot of conditions of which we're willing to meet and we're super excited about the project. It's going to be beautiful. It's in keeping with the ground as we spoke about before. It's going to be very wellmaintained and um kind of an elite equestrian facility for the city of Wildwood. So I'm here if you have any questions later. I'd be happy to answer. Okay. Thank you.

Thank you. Mr. Chair, uh the next speaker be Mr. Whan.

Hello everyone. Uh Mr. Chair, members of the commission, your honor. Uh Mike Whan uh 338 South Kirkwood Road, Kirkwood, Missouri. I just wanted to uh let you know that I'm available for questions later on our West Mill development proposal. Really appreciate the department's hard work and uh look forward to answering any questions that you may have. Thank you. All right. Thank you for your comments. And no additional speaker card for the public comment session.

All right. Thank you. All right. So, at this time, we'll go into our public hearing. Uh, in the city of Wildwood, public hearings are truly intended to accept comments and questions concerning these proposted items. Since this request is being presented at a public hearing, no action is planned on this item tonight, and consideration of it is to be taken no earlier than the November 2025 Planning and Zoning Commission meeting. This approach ensures all members of the commission will hear all opinions before taking any action. The city's department of planning will address the comments, questions, and concerns that are raised tonight and include them as part of its formal recommendation to the planning and zoning commission. Anyone in attendance at city hall tonight wanting to speak should fill out a speaker card and leave it with Mr. Newberry. Those in attendance via the Zoom webinar platform should use the raise hand feature to indicate you wish to speak at this hearing. A team member will add you to the list of speakers which will then be communicated to me as chair and I will invite you to speak when it is your turn. The public hearing process is outlined in the public hearing guidelines pamphlet which can be found on the table at the entry area to the council chambers. The commission will allow all parties adequate time to present their position as outlined in the public hearings guidelines pamphlet. Those individuals representing themselves will be allocated three minutes to speak. Speakers who are designated as a group speaker representing a group of more than five individuals will be allocated 5 minutes to speak. In addition, information on this item can be found on the city's website at www.c cityof wildwood.com. The commission would like to thank you for your cooperation and participation at tonight's hearing. All right. PZ2-03 Mr. Vinnich.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. PZ2-03 amended Tom and Lesley North. Care of Steven and Abby North 16828 Manchester Road, Wildwood, Missouri 63040. A request for a change in zoning district designation of this 0.4 acre property that is located on the south side of Manchester Road, west of Village Hills Parkway. Street address 16828 Manchester Road, St. Louis County Loadicator number 24V630341 from the C8 Plan commercial district ordinance number 1750 to the amended CA plan commercial district which would then allow for its use as a single family dwelling along with retaining the existing provisions for professional offices as well as extending the time frame for connection to public sanitary sewer in lie of the individual household treatment system that currently serves. serves the site proposed use professional offices and a single family dwelling and this particular property is located in ward 8. Thank you.

Thank you Mr. Vinc. Mr. Newberry.

Thank you Mr. Chair, Mr. Chair and members of the planning and zoning commission. The department has prepared a very brief presentation just to uh show you the location of the property. Um the property is located on the south side of Manchester Road just to the west of the Taylor Road roundabout. And here's another a closer up aerial image of it. Um the large um structure you see across the street. That was the former new community church. And then just a few photographs. You will probably recognize the home. Um it's a blue house on Manchester Road, the former all state office. And just a and then just a few views on the access from Manchester Road. This is looking to the west towards Larry's and then looking towards the east towards the roundabout again across the street is a vacant parcel. Um a little bit to the right is the new community church pro property. Um and with that that concludes the department's presentation. Um and in conclusion the department just note that Mr. North is in attendance and is ready to present his request.

All right. Thank you, Mr. Newberry. Uh Mr. North, would you like to come forward? Right. Never done this before, so please bear with me. Uh, yeah, I guess I am a little tall. So, yeah, I appreciate your time tonight. I'll keep it short and simple. Um, I mean, at its roots, that property is a house. Um, my parents and actually I worked out of that building for 20 plus years. Um, and uh, they've retired uh, and left it in the care with me and my wife who lived just up the road in Lavity. Um, and we're just looking uh, for some help from you guys to be able to have some flexibility uh, and what we're able to do with that property. Uh, we struggled keeping it commercial. Um, there's only a handful of businesses uh, that that property would suit. Uh, like I said, at its roots, it's a three-bedroom, two bath, twocar attached garage house. Um, so I mean, that's pretty straightforward request on that. Um, I would love to have the flexibility to go either way at any point. Um, the needs of Wildwoods change and the commercial aspect of that property, be more than happy to go that route as well. just right now we're finding that the uh residential side of it is uh the way to go. Um and then as far as the sewer connection, I was part of that originally way back in the early 2000s. Um when my parents went through the same ordeal, uh we sit in an island. Uh we have no direct access to any of the MSD lines. um we would have to go through other people's property, tear up Manchester, uh the costs are extraordinary, probably worth cost of

doing that is probably more than the property itself. Um so that's why we're looking for an extension on that as well. Uh as soon as we can get some development around that property, I would have no problem tapping in at that time. So to and to to follow up on that last statement, is the sewer line like not is it just directly across the street or is it can you enlighten us Joe on the sewer situation?

Certainly the public sanitary sewer line is either behind or to the north of the former new community church site. It follows that little drainage tributary. So, as Mr. North mentioned, they would have to cross or bore under Manchester Road, then get an easement or easements through now the mosque site or Miss Mary K. Corsair's property. The other is behind them to the south, but that's in the seven villages of Cherry Hills, and it isn't on the common boundary line. It's part of the multiple family area that forms one of the villages. So, it's a difficult connection for a single property. That's why originally in 2003, the planning and zoning commission and city council granted the extension. We renewed the extension and then Mr. and Mrs. North retired as Mr. North has mentioned. And so, we've kind of just been waiting to see. In 2003, we didn't think it'd be that long. One of the properties on either side would develop and and ultimately there would be a better opportunity to make the connection and that's just never came to fruition.

Thank you, Mich. If more people would come either on either side of you, we you still going to face the same problem of hooking into the line. Correct.

Well, I think the best opportunity is either the site immediately to the west which is owned by the mosque. They've come to the development and zoning review committee recently with a proposal for residential use. The proposal was a little overzealous. um four fourstory buildings and over a 100 units on the four acres. Recently, Mr. Newberry and I received a proposal from them. It's attached villas. It's still a little too dense, but they're certainly they heard what the development and zoning review committee had stated, something less dense and more of a single family type. So if that were to develop that would be able to carry the cost of bringing sanitary sewer into the vicinity. Are

are you talking about the piece of property that the community church bought for playground and extra parking? Okay. Yes, sir. And then the other is the five acres that the front of the seven villages at Cherry Hills, which has been vacant for now almost 40 years. Yeah.

Okay. That's all. Just out of curiosity, are there personally I'm I'm not opposed to saying someone can live there if need be. It is a house. Um but are just out of curiosity, are there any other buildings in that stretch between the roundabout and the stop sign that are residential in use or have those all gone gone commercial? Well, for the most part on the south side of the street,

I know there's the one set of uh detached fields basically, but on the north side of the street, it too, most of the single family dwellings have been converted to commercial use. For example, Lucky Dog Central, but all in all, there's not a great number of residential uses between the roundabout and Netherton Road. But prior to prior to the city of Wildwood, there were a few residential structures there. Um, as you go west, it picks up. Obviously, there's more residential than not. And then as you go to the east, it's the same situation, more residential than not. So, this is a little This is the Grover area for all intents and purposes, the historic community. And I think that's why you see a little bit more commercial than residential.

Yeah, that's reasonable. And like I love mixed use. So I'm personally I'm not opposed to this at all, but I'll let that other weigh in. Commissioner Rubis, the u if it was residential, are we just talking about your request? is you want to change it to residential and you want a a uh extension on the sewer. Yeah. Yes. Or as we discussed having a dual kind of like a dual purpose like both commercial and residential.

Do we have such a land use? Certainly. We have the neighborhood general which allows for mixed use meaning you can have residential and commercial in the same building. Um, we used to call them live work units. In this particular case, I think the Norris, Steven, and Abby would like to retain the flexibility if a commercial user were to come along to allow that. But if they can't find somebody, then the intent would be to rent it as a residential structure. And from the department's perspective, guess I'll tip our hand a little. A vacant building is to benefits no one. the owners as well as the city

buying where the city would prohibit that. Now we're going to change ordinances. So no in terms of town center at least along Manchester Road we've allowed a I think we can accommodate or allow a mixed use or the flexibility in terms of allowing one use or the other in the in the on the same property in the same building. Garano.

Yes, thank you. Um, yeah, there is one current home that is adjacent to Lucky Dog and Larry's Tavern that is a residential home there. And so, uh, you may have seen it when you drive by. So, I don't have any objection to this request. I agree with director Voonage that it's better to have it used than sit vacant. Uh we have received various inquiries over the years for residential on Manchester Road and including this commission most recently even approved about 12 or 13 homes along Manchester Road right across uh from the Taylor Road roundabout. although that's not going to be developed as part of the Greenberg because I believe there was solid rock on that ground. So we have entertained the thought of residential use there and um in that area we already have it and um you know it could be a mixed mixed use. We have actually we saw in the development zoning review several years back the land that is immediately adjacent to this property that we're talking about tonight to the east uh a large piece of land that uh goes all the way up to Village Hills Parkway that they wanted to put residential there. It was although it was a an apartment type um request. So, uh I I fully support it and I'm fine to with the request regarding uh the the sewer.

Thank you. Do we have any speaker cards on this? No, sir. Questions or comments from the commission? Commissioner Hellfrey to close. If there's no more comments. Yes. I'll make a motion to close. Motion to close the public hearing by Commissioner Helffrey, second by Commissioner Rubis. Any discussion? All those in favor say I. I. Opposed. All right. Thank you.

So, next on the agenda, PZ8-25, Mr. Newberry. EZ8-25 City of Wildwood Planning and Zoning Commission Care of Department of Planning, 1 16860 Main Street, Wildwood, Missouri. A request to review and consider potential allowances for drive-through facilities within the workplace district designation of the regulating plan of the city's town center plan. Currently, this land use designation does not allow restaurant or other comparable uses with drive-through facilities. This review may include, but is not necessarily limited to, the determination of the impact of drive-through facilities upon the design, function, and character of development sites along with any mitigating factors associated with them to to address the same. Additionally, with certain considerations regarding architectural elements associated with these types of uses, these types of facilities will also be reviewed. Wards 1, four, five, and eight.

Thank you, Mr. Newberry, Mr. Greenwich.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair and members of the Planning and Zoning Commission, as you may recall at our last meeting in September, the Department of Planning presented to you a recommendation to authorize greater flexibility in terms of the location of drive-thru facilities for 10 properties that immediately front onto either State Route 109 or State Route 100. Mr. Newberry has provided to you the image on your screens and behind you that indicates the location of those 10 properties. A couple of those properties are redevelopment opportunities, but the others are generally vacant and in many instances have been considered for similar uses such as fast food restaurants with drive-through facilities, but currently the workplace district prohibits it. Knowing that our population at times has expressed interest in more convenience uses, particularly fast food restaurants with drive-thru facilities due to the pandemic and other changing trends. The planning and zoning commission endorsed this change at that meeting and authorized the preparation of the draft letter of recommendation that's before you tonight. That draft letter of recommendation reflects your action and it now is in the authorship of the commission and can be forwarded with a positive vote tonight to the city f city city council for its consideration and action. If there are any comments or questions regarding the draft the department of planning and I'd be glad to answer them at this time and thank you.

Thank you Mr. Vunich. Um, any discussion or a motion? Commissioner Hry. So, I I have a question. Certainly. So, um, back in I guess when this first came in front of us, I drove up and down 109 in Manchester, Old Manchester Road. And so, this is for workplace. And so, there is workplace on Old Manchester, right? Correct. But we are not considering any of those for the drive-throughs at this time. At this time.

So if we don't include them today, does that preclude them from being being able at some future date to have a drive-thru or to be considered for a drive-thru?

No, ma'am. Just as we've done with Route 109 and Route 10 100, we could come back and look at it. I think the reason the department is only presenting the 10 properties that front onto the two state arterial roadways is it's a bit of an experiment. Can we given what we know integrated drive-through facility in an area where we do have adjoining residential but traffic volumes on an arterial road that would certainly I think be successful for these types of uses. So yes, we can come back and I think we'll actually look at that if if what we believe will happen comes to fruition here on Route 100 and Route 109.

Okay. and and I appreciate that because I did go back and redrive it today and I think there are a number of properties who at some point could benefit from that if we did our jobs right and and made sure that it was done in a proper way that would not hamper the residential area. So, as long as we we can go back and revisit that, we don't tie their hands, then I uh make a motion to approve. Miss Alpri, I might make a suggestion. So, a motion to approve the draft letter of recommendation with the addition of just let's not forget about Manchester Road as part of the context of the report. Okay, that's how I'd like to do it. Just like what you said. Thank you.

All right, we have a motion and a second. Any discussion? All right, seeing none, roll call vote. Commissioner Borren, yes. Commissioner Hilfrey, yes. Commissioner Clayton, yes. Commissioner Deppler, yes. Commissioner Jackson, yes. Commissioner Rubis, yes. Sher Batty, yes. Council member Marshall, yes. And Mayor Geritano, yes. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

Next on the agenda, PZ3-25. Mr. Newberry. PZ3-25 City of Wildwood Planning and Zoning Commission Care of Department of Planning 16860 Main Street, Wildwood, Missouri 63040. An authorized review by the Planning and Zoning Commission of certain components of the city's sign regulations specifically within chapter 415.030 definitions. Chapter 415.400 sign regulations general. Chapter 415.410 sign regulations for FPNUPS and all Rs. And chapter 415.420 420 sign regulations for all C and M districts which will consider possible modifications relating to electronic message boards sign escro deposits calculations of sign sizes lighting characteristic installation components and the related definitions for the same all ws

thank you Mr. Newberry Mr. Bunich

thank you again Mr. Chair Mr. Chair, members of the planning and zoning commission, as with the last item, this particular request was presented to the planning and zoning commission at the September meeting. The department had prepared a favorable report regarding electronic message centers as well as certain changes to commercial signage in our business districts. The planning and zoning commission endorsed the recommendations associated with those two types of signage. One, very new electronic message centers and authorize the preparation of this draft letter of recommendation. As you'll recall with the electronic message centers, those will only be authorized for institutional uses, governmental uses so to speak, with taxing authority. So in the report, those locations in the city of Wildwood as of this date are identified and we do have a number of requirements relating to those types of message centers. Principally, each one will require a conditional use permit. The changes to the other regulations relating to commercial signage in the business districts are for the most part reflective of changing uh trends and the differences in buildings that will now allow us to address proportionally signage size relative to one and a half and twotory frontages. And so tonight, the draft letter of recommendation is prepared in the appropriate form reflecting the action of the commission at the September meeting for final consideration and action. If there are any comments or questions from the planning and zoning commission regarding the draft, Mr. Newberry and I are available to answer them if we can. Thank you.

All right. Thank you, Mr. Commissioner Hilfrey. Once again, I apologize that I was not here at the last meeting.

Sure. So, this is another thing where had I been here, I would have weighed in on this and I have a question. I I feel like I I think this is good and I think that everything we've done here is good. However, I think that the fact that we have not allowed uh some of the businesses that were grandfathered in, for example, St. Alvin Row, that church there, or any other business that uses those glass things that have just do the letters. I think that um in my opinion in my opinion this falls just a little short because it kind of doesn't allow those kinds of people to jump into the 21st century with their signs. Um so my question is once again once we pass this does this preclude those people from being able to jump into the 21st century with their signs? Anybody who uses those uh those older types or how does that work? Thank you, Mr. Witch.

Yes, ma'am. Contextwise, as you know, the Department of Planning recommended against this change relative to electronic message centers despite the efforts of Randy Burquette, Reed Burquette, lighting design, and input from our city attorney about other communities. I think there's a risk associated with it. Acknowledging the risk, the economic development committee of city council and this planning and zoning commission recognized that yes, we probably need to to step into the 21st century with our signage relative to these institutional type uses, governmental entities with taxing authority. I think the best I can offer you, Miss Helpri, is let's see if it works. And if it works, I suspect that regardless of what the department's opinion is or what this current action in terms of recommendation of the commission, I think we're going to see other institutional uses say it's not a fair playing field. We want to play. Let us in. And so I suspect after a few of these message centers are installed by the governmental entities, we're going to be asked to consider more.

Thank you. Uh, Council Member Marshall.

Um, Mr. Breen, I think this is great. The one thing, and I might I've read it a couple times. So, when you're in a residential area and you have homes across a 22 foot street, is there anything about the distance from neighboring houses? I'm personally thinking of Green Pines. You got neighbors that live all the way around that. Is it a thousand feet or there's no regard to being across the street from the school? I know we'll turn the sign off night. They've had one there for 40 years. It's just the the fact that it didn't seem to be real obvious that a distance was even in consideration. Well, your two readings uh identified an omission and it's in more so not an intentional omission, but it never was addressed relative to our discussions through the two work sessions, the public hearing and presentations. The good news is each electronic message center requires a conditional use permit. So we can fit

those into the specific

kind of hoping that that was the part but I just know that people will ask is it 500 ft or you know how how far would it matter? Uh well, a couple of other things. Conditional use permits. They can be more restrictive than the setbacks in the underlying zoning district, but can be cannot be less restrictive. And again, with the conditional use permit, we can look at each each individual instance and we can be more restrictive. What I recall Mr. Burquette, our lighting consultant, mentioned was is that yes, distance can play a critical role relative to the illumination level, but as you know, we've really tightened it down. So, view the conditions associated with these message centers as a very good first step. But with the cup, we can make sure that if we're in a situation like Green Pines Elementary School, people aren't all of a sudden sitting in their living room and the light goes on and the sign and they're like, "Oh my gosh, this is like daytime." We can address that. We certainly can.

Thank you, Commissioner Rubis. I make a motion we approve the All right. And second by Commissioner Clayton. Any further discussion? Oh, Commissioner Hry, C.

Can I just ask one question, Mr. Vinnich? Um, as far as these signs go, it says that they have to have the dark lettering with the changing with the static display for every hour. But just for example, um the fire departments and such, if there was like an Amber Alert, are do they have the ability to uh to put um like an emergency text up right away and not have to wait the whole hour? or if there was inclement weather, you know, like a I don't know, a tornado coming or something. Do they is there is that in I just didn't see that in there. Yes. Okay.

Yeah. It's once they establish the message, it has to be in place for that 60-minute period before it changes. So, yes, if there's an Amber Alert, a weather emergency, they can change it. It just needs to stay up. And from the perspective of the department, it seems reasonable. You want people to know there's an Amber Alert. You don't want to change it out in two minutes. It does no one any good. Same for a weather condition situation.

Well, I sorry I will on that though. I was tornadoes sometimes don't l that warning might be 20 25 minutes. Please be advised if if there is a weather emergency like an EF3 tornado that came through the city of Waldin in March depend on that you're driving out and in climate

fair from the perspective city you should have something on your smartphone or you should it should be at your business or your work and they'll basically that'll be on the radio television and then as you know the emergency sirens in St. Louis County are excellent and so don't depend on that.

No, I I understand. I'm my point. All I was getting at is when one of those came through. I was sorry. I was at my parents house over in Illinois and driving back across and saw it getting bad and uh pulled off at Wallally's and then while we were at Wallally's the siren started going off or may maybe I think I saw a mod saying there was a tornado warning somewhere.

There's there's the boards me message centers on the highway as you drive 44 west at several locations. All I'm saying is within the right of way, you've got protection on the on your phone, on your radio, on your television. You have a system that's millions of dollars worth of taxpayers money that went into installing those towers and sirens. So again, if you're depending on a sign at a stationary location, where you might pass or not, I'm not worried about that. There's an emergency management system set up to address that. Yeah. This isn't it. Okay. All right. Fair.

Any further discussion? All right. Seeing none, roll call vote. Commissioner Hoffrey, yes. Commissioner Clayton, yes. Commissioner Dler, yes. Commissioner Jackson, yes. Commissioner Rubis, yes. Commissioner Borne, yes. Chair Batty, yes. Council member Marshall, yes. Mayor Gerano, yes. Motion carries. Thank you. Thank you. All right. Next on the agenda, um PZ77A and 7B-25, Mr. Newberry.

PZ7-25, West Mill, Wayland Custom Homes, Care of Mike Whan, 338 South Kirkwood Road, Sweet 103, Kirkwood, Missouri 63112. a request for a change in zoning district designations of three properties that form attractive land that is 1.74 acres in area from the R6A 4,000T residence district town center neighborhood general district to the R47500T residence district which are identified by the following street addresses and St. Staint Louis County locator numbers 1 170027006 and 17010 New College Avenue and 24V 420351 24V 420340 and 24V 42033 Ward 8 PZ7A-25 West Mill Wayland Custom Home Care of Mike Whan 338 South Kirkwood Road Sweet 103 Kirkwood Missouri 63112 a request for a change in zoning district designation of two properties that form attractive land that is 6 acres in area from the NU new non-Urban Residence District suburban residential area to the R1A 22,000 ft² residence district which are identified by the following street addresses 2623 and 2631 West Avenue and St. Louis County Locator numbers 24V 420153 and 24V 420186 W8 PZ7B-25 West Mill Way Custom Homes Carrot Mike Whan 338 South Kirkwood Road Sweet 103 Kirkwood Missouri 63112 request for the application of a planned residential development overlay district PRD in the R1A 22,000T residence district and the R4 7500T residence district for an overall and combined tracks of land totaling 8.05 05 acres in area with following street addresses in St. Louis County. Locator numbers 1 17002, 1 17006, and 17010 New College Avenue and 2-623 and 2631 West Avenue. 24V 420351,

24V 42034, 24V 42033, 24V 420153 and 24V 420186. Proposed use a total of 17 detached single family dwellings on individual lots of record with common ground area access accommodations required public spaces and storm water management facilities all located in W 8. Thank you Mr. Newberry. Take a breath. Mr. Roach.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair, members of the planning and zoning commission, the Department of Planning has prepared for your consideration tonight an information report with recommendations relating to the three items Mr. Newberry just so wonderfully described and entered into the record. The properties are collectively at the terminus of West Avenue in the vicinity of its intersection with New College Avenue. The petitioner would like to develop the properties collectively just over 8 acres in size with 17 detach single family dwellings on individual lots. Several of the proposed dwellings are located within the boundary of town center and those are the smaller lots that front on to New College Avenue. that those lots will be served by rear entry garages and a service lane or alley. The remainder of the proposal are the 12 single family detach buildings on individual lots that are in the suburban residential area. During the update of the master plan in 2016, the owner of the two lots that formed this 12 ac the the 12 single family detached dwellings on individual lots requested and received an authorization to have an increased density in the suburban residential area from one unit for every acre to 1.75 units per acre. So that is why you see a total of 12 lots respectively um on the property and collectively with the overlay district the density is within the range of town center and the

suburban residential land use area. The department is recommending approval of the proposal with certain conditions associated with it. One such condition is the elimination of one of the larger lots in the suburban residential land use area. The rationale for that is for the most part the homes are served by side entry garages and 80 foot lot with 85 ft wide lot west have proven to be a little difficult in certain instances for the maneuvering into the side entry garage and out. Therefore, with the reduction in one lot, the lots can be increased from 90 to 95 ft in width, thereby addressing that concern of the department. As is mentioned in the letter you received today from the trustees at Stonemill subdivision, this is this particular section of the pro project will be an excellent complement to Stonemill as well as West Bridge Oaks and the surrounding area. The new urbanism lots are an excellent utilization of the site and consistent with what the planning and zoning commission approved for McBride Homes but at a lesser density with a larger home. Additionally, it addresses an orphan site. As you know, this was part of Westridge office center 2 was intended to be office warehouses. It's gone through many defaults and repurchases and bank changes and etc. And so it would be to the benefit of the city to have something finally develop on the site and bring closure to its use. All in all, the department believes that the project will be a benefit both

to town center and the surrounding area, which is suburban residential area, and has created conditions in association with the preliminary development plan to ensure the development is compatible, functional, safe, and less impacts on surrounding properties. Today, Mr. Newberry and I had a conversation with Mr. Whan the petitioner and there may be a way to add that additional lot back in the 17th lot by restricting home sizes or widths on some of the lots. There's also some confusion in the creation of the condition relating to the porches that is more the department's wording than versus the design. And then finally, we do want to discuss the sidewalks and the appropriateness of having sidewalks on both sides of the street or one side of the street given what we've done in Stonemill and some of the other subdivisions in the vicinity. All of those things can be addressed, I believe, by the time we bring the draft letter of recommendation back. But I do want to make note of them that there is the potential that there is a that 17th lot could be returned if Mr. Whan the petitioner and the engineer Mr. Bonderhy can address the concerns about side entry garage. So tonight you have a favorable recommendation regarding the reszonings of the property and the overlay district associated with it and after a motion and second the department Mr. Newberry and I will be available to answer any of your questions. Thank you.

All right. Thank you Mr. Munich. Uh Commissioner Hilfrey. So, I have a question about this before it comes back to us. To get this 17th lot back in, no matter what, it will still be a side entry garage. They're not going to You won't allow them to come back and say, "We need to have one front entry." No, there'll be side entry garages and then the new urbanism lots will have rear entry served by an alley, which is consistent with our town center plan.

Right. And I I agree with that. And so the only other question I have and then I will make a motion is I remember back when we the the new urbanism ones back when we were talking about that maybe last year or two years ago. One of the concerns was trash receptacles and parking. So when will that be addressed for those particular properties? Well, each of the proposed units in the town center area, the five will have an attached twocar garage and a driveway apron accommodating two additional cars. And as you can see, they've done a turnaround at the terminus at of the alley and the alley will be wide enough in some instances to accommodate a limited parking. I think what we're going to see though is the lot cross New College Avenue may ultimately be additional parking for Good News Brewing Company and will provide that parking solution for events that the five units have in association with their with the single family detached dwellings. I also know that the lot to the west that's part of the commercial building there encroaches into this property. So I think there could be some cross parking there as well. There's some things we'll talk through over the next four weeks. But in terms of parking, additional parking to accommodate, let's say, special events, I think we can address that. And then the alley will serve as the location for where the the the toers will be placed and the service that will be provided just as we do in Windsor Crest uh Cambury Main Street Crossing etc.

Okay. Thank you Mr. Vunage for answering my questions. I make a motion to approve. Is there a second? Second by Councilman Marshall. Um so sorry on sidebar on the trash. Sure. The town homes at Cambury, they put their trash out back in their driveways. Well, the the row houses, the original Yeah. section. That's the ones I'm talking about.

The new the new ones, their front entry garages, as you'll recall. And that's has a long history. Obviously, the recession hit. We had two one-third of the development complete, twothirds not complete. McBride Homes as they did in Grover Crossing came in with a proposal and didn't include rear entry garages, but more so front entry. It was a product that we used in Grover Crossing that seemed successful, sold fast, which they did here. But yes, if you go into the subdivision during residential collection, they're all out the front front curb line.

Yeah. No, no, the new stuff I I know know that's out front, but I was just thinking the original ones are I'll have to pay attention next time I walk through there on a Monday night. Yeah, they have you know that they're unusual those row houses in that they have the garage is part of the basement. So, there's a partial basement plus the garage. You go up to the first floor and then there's a second floor. So, there's three um levels of living in those units, right? Um Yes. And then there's on street parking in front of them as well as the alley behind. Okay. Um I think that's all I have. Um any other discussion?

All right. Seeing none, roll call vote. Commissioner Clayton, yes. Commissioner Deppler, yes. Commissioner Jackson, yes. Commissioner Rubis, yes. Commissioner Borne, yes. Commissioner Hoffrey, yes. Chair Batty, yes. Council member Marshall, yes. Mayor Geritano, yes. Thank you.

Motion carries. Thank you. All right. Next on the agenda, PZ9-25. Uh, Mr. Newberry. PZ9-25 fields at Cloud's End LLC 850 Babler Park Drive, Wildwood, Missouri 630005. A request for the consideration of a conditional use permit CUP in the NU non-Urban Residence District and FPNU Floodplane non-urid residence district for an 18acre tract of land that is located on the southeast side of Babler Park Drive, north of its intersection with Guy Park Drive. Street addresses 840 and 850 Babler Park Drive, St. Louis County. Locator numbers 21X64309 and 21X64291 proposed use course boarding and training facility including a writing stable and an indoor writing arena ward three.

Thank you Mr. Newberry. Mr. Greenwich.

Thank you again Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair, members of the planning and zoning commission, the department of planning has prepared for your consideration tonight an information report regarding the request just read into the record by Mr. Newberry. And that report contains its recommendation relative to the requested conditional use permit. The department is recommending that the planning and zoning commission favorably consider a request and grant the conditional use permit for this writing stable and related activities. Obviously, as was explained by the petitioner, Miss Sherholtz, during the public hearing last month, this particular area does have a large number of horse facilities in its vicinity. One next door on the adjoining property to the north and several in the vicinity, including Babler State Park, which allows for equestrian use. The facility based upon the architectural renderings will be something very special here along State Route BA as well as for the city of Wildwood. The petitioner in the preliminary development plan noted 45 parking spaces. The department authorized up to 45 horses to be boarded and stable here. It does include training activities but nothing generally for the public um the general public in terms of the use of the facility. There are uh conditions relative to lighting, hours of operation which are very broad 7 days a week from 6:00 a.m. to 10 p.m. Thought being though that for a portion of the day the activity associated with the facility should be secluded and there should be quiet dark environment association with the property because that's the nature of the general area around it. All in all, the department followed the preliminary development plan prepared by

Miss Sherbholtz the petitioner as well as Vol's engineering feels that captured the content of the commission's conquest questions during the public hearing as well as the practices we've employed at other facilities of a similar nature to ensure again that the project is compatible with the area suitable for the ground that it's be placed on and will be an asset to the city in terms of its future. future use. So tonight, you have a favorable recommendation regarding the conditional use permit for Miss Sheerholds and this particular site. There any questions or comments? Department of Planning? Mr. Newberry and I be glad to answer them at this time. All right. Thank you, Mr. Vunich. Commissioner Jackson.

Motion to approve is presented. All right. Second by Commissioner Rubis. Any discussion? All right. Seeing none, roll call vote. Commissioner Jackson, yes. Commissioner Rubis, yes. Commissioner Borne, yes. Commissioner Hilfrey, yes. Commissioner Clayton, yes. Commissioner Deppler, yes. Chair Batty, yes. Council member Marshall, yes. Mayor Gerano, yes. Thank you. All right. Motion carries. Thank you.

Thank you. All right. Next on the agenda, PZ3-18, Mr. Newberry,

a review and determination regarding a request to renew an existing conditional use permit CUP in the NU non-Urban Residence District, which was originally granted by the Planning and Zoning Commission in May 2018, PZ3-18, Playpin LLC, care of Terry Gray. The subject property is a 31.2 2 acre tract of land that is located at the terminus of an unnamed private street which intersects the southern right ofway of Pond Road northwest of Smith School Road and southeast of Ria Road. Locator number 22W420 013, street address 1237 Pond Road. This conditional use permit CUP authorizes a large water feature lake on the subject lot. The existing permit associated with this largest water fa water feature requires the facility to be reviewed for ongoing maintenance and review ongoing maintenance review and compliance to the governing permit on a 7-year time frame. Ward one.

Thank you, Mr. Newberry. Mr. Vunich.

Thank you again, Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair, members of the planning and zoning commission, the department has prepared for your consideration a report with recommendation relating to the petitioner's request to extend the conditional use permit for this large water feature for an additional seven years. The department of planning visited the property last week, Mr. Newberry and I, and met with Mr. Guru. Mr. Guru was kind enough to give us a tour of the property, particularly the large water feature. It is a lake that is created by damming one of the tributaries on the property and the lake itself is in excellent condition and Mr. Ruie has done a wonderful job of integrating the lake into the rural area the rural nature of the tract of land. One of the benefits of the lake, not only from an aesthetic standpoint, is it's become a wildlife habitat for a number of different birds and other uh fauna and flora. So, tonight, Department of Planning is recommending that the conditional use permit that is before you with no changes to the condition be extended for an additional seven years. If there are any questions or comments regarding the recommendation from the department, Mr. Newberry and I would be glad to answer them at this time and thank you.

All right. Thank you, Mr. Runich. Any discussion or a motion? Move. All right. Motion by Commissioner Rubis, second by Commissioner Clayton. Any further discussion? All right. Seeing none, roll call vote. Commissioner Rubis, yes. Commissioner Borne, yes. Commissioner Hoffrey, yes. Commissioner Clayton, yes. Commissioner Deppler, yes. Commissioner Jackson, yes. Chair Batty, yes. Council member Marshall, yes. And Mayor Garitano.

Yes. Thank you. Was starting to wonder if you had voted or do. All right. Motion carries. Thank you. Um, all right. Last on the agenda, um, uh, the site development plan. Mr. Vinnich,

a review and recommendation report, a review and recommendation report of the Department of Planning to the Planning and Zoning Commission regarding request for the installation of an outdoor game court to be located on a residential property that is situated at 18027 Shepard Ridge Road, St. Louis County. Locator number 21V630113 NU non- urban resident district which supports a favorable action on this facility given compliance to all applicable codes of the city of Wildwood. This property is 3.4 acres in size and the property is located in Ward 3. Thank you, Mr. Reunich. Mr. Newberry.

Thank you, Mr. Chair. Mr. Chair and members of the planning and zoning commission, the department has prepared for your consideration a favorable recommendation regarding a site development plan or a pickleball court/half basketball court um that the commission approved um the allowance for in May 2025 with a set of um a short set of conditions. Um the department has reviewed the site development plan um that's been prepared by the petitioner um or compliance with these requirements um and has determined that it is in compliance with the requirements set forth. Um just a brief summary um many of the requirements were intended to address the concerns about uh the noise created by pickle ball activity in general. Um that would include in this instance the uh inclusion of a solid fence at the um end of the court that provides the most impact on the neighboring property to the north. Um some landscaping additional in the same location. Uh an increased setback of 75 ft from that property or from this north and south property lines for the court. Um and that the court has placed slightly below grade of the first story of the budding dwelling. Um some other items that were part of the conditions that have have again been met by the petitioner um is related to the grading and storm water management. Um, and then there is also a light standard that is planned and it has been reviewed for compliance with the city's outdoor lighting requirements. Um, and is also required to have a timer established with it to um, shut off at uh, or not to be on any later than 9:00 p.m. So, with those items being reviewed and and met um by the petitioner, the department is recommending the planning and zoning commission support the um, site development plan.

Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Newberry. Um, discussion or a motion? Commissioner Rubis, I see that one of the I see that one of the conditions is the homeowner must agree to limit the pickle ball activity and lighting of the court to no later than 900 p.m. Additionally, its use is limited to the owner of the property and guests and not for any organized team club activity. And we have a conditional yes. Yes, Mr. Appreciate you pointing that out. That is the one condition I didn't address directly. um that we just need to get a note on the plan that acknowledges those requirements. Um so the homeowner would would sign for some

it would be part of the the final approval authorization from the city. It would be on Is this a conditional use permit? It is not technically a conditional use permit. It's established in the code as a outdoor game courts are established in the code as having to be require um reviewed and approved or acted upon by the planning and zoning commission. Um, so it's not quite to the tier of a conditional use permit, but the the report and the approved plan serves as those um requirements. Okay. Commissioner Halford. So, is his approval the Are you making a motion to approve, Mr. Riis? No, I just had a question.

So, a motion to approve. Would that be a motion to approve with that addendum? Would that be appropriate? Yeah, a motion to approve as presented because it's included in the report would would capture what Mr. Rubis was inquiring about. Perfect. Then I'll make a motion to approve. Second by Commissioner Clayton. Any further discussion? All right. Uh, roll call vote. Um, Commissioner Clayton, yes. Commissioner Deppler, yes. Uh, Commissioner Jackson, yes. Commissioner Rubis, yes. Commissioner Bourne,

yes. Commissioner Hoffrey, yes. Chair Batty, yes. Council member Marshall, yes. And Mayor Gitano, yes. Thank you. She carries. Thank you.

We at the end. Do you have any With your permission, Mr. Chair, this coming Friday night at 5:00 PM at Community Park, the mayor and city council is, as has been the past practice, wants to thank all of our volunteers, which is inclusive of the planning and zoning commission. So, we hope you can attend. We have um a number of things that we will be providing and just our way of saying thanks to our volunteers that make Wildwood. So, thank you. All right. Thank you, Mr. Reich. Uh, Commissioner Jackson,

I just want to say I I really miss all those solar cups that would still be on the agenda item right now. With that, I make a motion to adjurnn. Seconded by Commissioner Hellfrey. All those in favor say I. I. I. Any oppose? Any abstain? All right, we're ajourned. Thank you everyone.