Parks and Recreation Commission - Regular Meeting

All right, I'd like to call this meeting to order and uh welcome everyone to the city of Breton Parks and Recreation Commission. Today is uh Tuesday, September 23rd. It's our regular monthly meeting. Thank you all for being here. Um first up, we have approval of our minutes from our last meeting, which was August 26, 2025. So, if the uh commissioners have had a chance to review the minutes and take any motions, make a motion that All right, we got a motion to approve. I will second. All right. Thank you, Commissioner McDonald. And all in favor of approving uh the minutes from August 26, 2025, please say I. I.

I. All right. That will pass unanimously. And next up, we have approval of tonight's agenda. So, unless any commissioners have any questions or comments, I will make a motion to approve tonight's agenda. I second. All right. All in favor of approving tonight's agenda, please say I. I. I. And that will pass unanimously as well. Perfect. All right. Next up, we have uh public comment. So, if there's anyone um here tonight that would like to address the commission, um now's your chance. Um, you don't need to, but if if you would like to, um,

yeah, please stand up and identify yourself, please.

Hey, my name is Kenny Bibong. I'm here events to play the team. overflow parking lot of OC campus permanent solution surface that is adequate for us. Um ideally kind of like a tennis court surface. It's a reinforced concrete that surface for us but uh you know other activities that might be a waste of space as well. kind of relatively have the same kind of issues and concerns and problems with people in flat spaces.

Thank you. Yeah. Okay. Thanks for being here. All right. Anyone else? Please. Yeah. If you could identify yourself. Pat spoken before. Yep. Thanks for being here, Pat. Floor is your question.

Just wanted to do a followup. Forest Ridge Park. Um, we still won't have a sign that says we're closed from dust to dawn, like to know when we're going to get that. And, um, we have, you know, we we still have a lot of issues going on in the park, everyday um, drug use. And, um, it's just sort of out of control right now. It's starting to calm down a little bit because we're getting towards the fall season, but It's issues that need to be addressed. I'm just curious about the the barrier, you know, when the barrier is going to go up. And um we also need signs because there are people that race around on the trails such as today visit on the big signs that are posted. I think it does say somewhere in there in little tiny print. I think it says no motorized vehicles, but people won't read that obviously. So, we need bigger signs on a variety of things actually.

That's about all I have. Pat, thanks for being here. Of course, Ridge is uh on our staff reports and updates, so hopefully get you some answers here. Thank you, Pat, for being out. All right. Anyone out in virtual world? No, I don't think we got anybody. Other than Commissioner McDonald, I already looked. There's nobody there. All right. All right. So, next up, we have staff reports and updates. And first up is uh Forest Ridge. Okay. Pass this one on to Brian.

All right, Brian. Uh thank you Pat for, you know, continuing to bring us concerns with Forest Ridge. Really appreciate that. Um also want to follow up with uh our meetings. Uh and listen to uh some of your concerns and so we have a couple of things to share with you today. Um, so right now I've been in contact with a gate manufacturing company. Just second. Jim, can you see the picture or are you looking at a folder?

Okay. Yeah, I'll make it bigger. I just want to make sure you weren't looking at the picture or at the at a folder. Okay. Yeah, I got them. So, uh, first gate was installed by public works, uh, today, as a matter of fact, and we'll show you pictures of that later. Um, and kind of I was out today, took some measurements, different things, and here's kind of what I have in mind and some thoughts. If you guys have anything that you'd like to share, I'm open to other comments, but we were talking about putting a gate across here. And then we also talked about that kept them in the the center part of the park. Mhm.

And then we also talked about putting one at the very beginning of the of the park as well. And so um that's further down right about into here somewhere like opposed into here to about where the tire is in there.

So those those are the two locations and I think those are the ones that we had discussed uh when we met on site. And then also just to share with you kind of what the gate might look like. Um this was the one that was installed this morning uh right down the road uh here at East Park. Um these do not come prepainted. We have to primer and paint them, but uh installation went pretty pretty well, pretty easily. So um so yeah with that local product.

So with that if you guys have any other questions or concerns as we just want to note that last month in your motion you supported for one gate. Um and yeah having gone through and done the onsite we felt that two was probably more suitable. Right. Yeah. talking about like some other kind of barrier or something. I feel like at that point we talked about some rock barriers and controlling traffic throughout the park. Yeah. These gates are going to be more of closing the park off at night with our uh with our night shift crew or evening crew. Sure.

And we did talk about when you enter into Forest Ridge, that road to the left, we would put Yes. boulders there. Yes. Yep. Oh dear. Instead of barricades, we do something a little more natural like a a rock because eventually it's just going to be dirt. The part comes up so it'll remove that pavement in there. Is that the plan? Not at this time, but I mean not right now. I mean when a forest ridge part comes up for Yeah. So that then it will when we're looking at doing a master plan. Yeah. Yes. Yeah.

So I'm What's the need for the for the second gate inner what what's the thought process behind on the interior? Yeah. On the Yeah. So might be able to best describe this. It it goes down years ago. You remember you're kind of young, but all the roads used to go through, you know, and now they don't. So that if you're coming into the park and it kind of dips down and curves around, there's a little culdeac. Yes. It's a dead end. Okay. It's very hidden and lots of people park there. Yes. And it's different kind of people that are parking there now. And so if they have to park out up in front where the regular spots are, then they would be visible.

Okay. And they couldn't hide and dump trash or All right. And they'd be so I'm sorry. It's coming back to me. This is going to be like a permanently shut gate to where unless access is needed, emergency access is needed or is the neighbor involved in that gate? Could be. They would need they would need access to that. Okay. Okay. Thank you. I'm tracking down. Yeah. So during the day that gate would stay closed unless something Yeah. something happened where they need or the neighbor needed. Okay. some kind barrier, but then like our big incident we had a month or so ago of police meeting access, it would be imperative that they could open that gate.

Sure. Versus having to Of course. Yeah. So the gate idea is All right. So that second one, the interior one's more of like a permanent kind of deal. The outer one is going to we're going to treat that like we do at other parks where the park closes at dusk and the crew goes out, shuts the gates, locks them up. Correct. Plus, if they have to wrangle people up, there's less coverage. They have to go Yeah. And it's underneath the lights that we have in the parking lot of that. So, we're eliminating any parking of vehicles on that culdeac, the north end. Yeah. Just be pedestrian access only.

Because there's Yeah. But during the day, cars would still have access up to that other side road, but then come the end of the night, I'm I don't I can't think of that. It's not It's part they would access to the parking lot and then that's really it. Yeah. Yeah. It'll still have Okay. rocks there. Which Yeah. So, we're shutting out that because I know that's a problem area as well. people up there. Yes, I'm sure. Sure. It' just be another pocket. They'd have to go down and look for

unfortunately come to that. So, I just want to say thank you guys for your input and take your time to u share your experiences that you have uh in the park and coming up with a a good solution. the cooperation, you know, because it's, of course, we live it. It's our backyard and it's a little frustrating and I have I apologize to Carlos all the time because I'm always sending him pictures, but he said he wants them. Colette says they don't. We get them often. So, I have I have some and I have a police report just this afternoon with some kids on little dirt bikes.

It wasn't a pretty sight. police came. Um, they were riding and we've got pictures and videos of them tearing through the park today this afternoon. Now, I'm thinking unfortunately probably these very what we're talking about probably isn't going to stop those little bikes from getting through there. Yeah. But I made a police report and I have a case number so it'll be I mean there's proof that we need like Pat was mentioning like no motorized vehicles. I mean, not that it's going to stop them, but you know, legally it's Yeah. Or even I'm thinking on that on that interior gate, no unauthorized motor vehicles. That would be because that allows the neighbor to still

Yeah. access it technically. Because he's authorized. Yeah, that's a good sure. So, uh, director, would you do you need like a motion from us really just to approve that second gate? No, just it's more of an FYI to let you know we're moving forward with those. That sounds great. Sounds really good. Commissioner McDonald, any questions, concerns? No, I I like the plan a lot. Sounds really good. Thank you. Yeah. All right. Thank you. Great plan moving forward. Okay. Uh next up, we have Kitap Lake Park renovation.

Okay. Last month we uh talked with you about the parametrics. um work that we needed to take through council and so went and spoke to council at their study session and then last week council did approve uh that change order for parametrics. So they're moving forward with their design of the irrigation and then with the design of the um let's see the design of the um storm water runoff trench. Um let me do a share here just and I showed it to you last week but just to kind of refresh. I know you probably don't look at these things as much as we do, oddly, even though we pay you a lot. Um, so just just to reiterate that um what we'll be doing is we'll be um putting in a uh basically a metal graded trench drain that will go all the way across over to where water's coming from. um this side and catch it before it runs off this way and then collects it and brings it all the way over. Um I met with the Kitsap Lake neighborhood group last week, talked to them about all the updates that um the changes that we're planning to do, the timing of everything. Um they're really happy. They were involved initially when we met out there and we were looking at doing some troubleshooting as far as okay, how do we address this? We've tried two versions. Um first one didn't work really at all. Um which was our least expensive. We were hoping to get away with that. Um and then we made a modification which has in turn helped

with water collection but has caused issues with the ramp. Um so this is really the ultimate solution and I think we'll look intentional once it's completed. Cool. Which will be good. Uh so uh spoke with the PIP committee which is parks finance investment and parking okay

committee. Uh so there's three council members that are on that. So what we do anytime before we take things we haven't been in involved with a committee in a while and that was part of council's concern is that they felt like communication wasn't happening from the department. I mean, I think you guys had heard it, too. And I think at least just being connected here now, we've got three council members that are listening and hearing what we're doing. So, it's made a big difference because anytime we go and speak at the council study session, they say, "Yes, it did go to committee."

Um, and we did discuss it. So, uh talked with them today about this is Redid's uh change order. the red side is the is basically the primary on this project and then they'll be subbing out the actual installation uh portion of it. So, uh that will go to council October 8th and then uh for their study session so for the full council to hear and then um they'll decide whether it goes on consent or an active agenda item for the 15th. So, [Music]

so then once that happens, then we can move forward with um they've redid's already reached out and received um multiple bids and so we know who we're going to go with um and then just move that forward and everything still falls under the overall uh project budget. And then um any questions on this portion of it? Is the boat ramp still open? Yes. And so the timing of this work will probably be um I would guess November or so. Um that was one concern is that the neighborhood group wanted to get their boats off the water

and use our our ramp before the work was completed and um that was the plan anyway. Addressed and good mitigated then. So perfect. Commissioners have any questions or comments on that? I guess you Oh, yeah. Commissioner McDonald, please. Yeah. I regarding the timing, Tim, how how do we get notification out to the people on the lake that have boats that might want to pull them out and just didn't know when we were going to close the ramp?

Yeah. So, we'll do our best to um and I'm not I'll I'll find out from Jay if how many of the boat owners or dock owners, private dock owners are part of his email group. Uh because any updates we have or information that we share, he sends it out to that group. Um, and even if it's comments on things that we're looking to do, uh, so I'll work with him and find out, are there some that we think we're missing and maybe we do a door hanger or something, uh, find some information out. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe a press report to the sun or something.

Or I'd suggest having Brian go out with a boat and some flyers, you know, just on a nice day. On a nice day. I love that idea, Jeff. like a nice pretty like red or orange tag on their dock. Yeah. Get their attention. At the park, too. Yeah, we would post it there. But yeah, no, good good suggestions. Brian hasn't been out in our boat yet this year, so he's due. Oh, man.

Maybe once it starts raining, send them. Yeah, I'm a black mouth fisherman. All right, great. Any other two or three concepts put together a little social media video um with the concepts. I've been posted them for over 10 so week um and uh getting people's input through survey because not everyone's able to come to a community. So sure the goal is to to get the input that way. Um, and so once we have the hut, we'll send it to you and send it around.

Sure. Then at an upcoming commission meeting, we can review those results. Great. Great. Any other questions or comments? Perfect. All right, moving right along. Uh, new business. Maybe not. Moving right along. We have something addition that we were just going to show you within staff reports. Oh, okay. that isn't necessarily on there. So, um, in lie of our allstar leaving soon in like within the next hour probably, he's probably he's probably at a Yeah,

he's he's probably at the airport right now in a lounge or something. um what we've we've talked about internally to start help recruiting um because um Amy most likely will be dropping in December

um is we've created a little video um that we'd love for you to share um but just kind of wanted to show you we're going to start um looking at doing a lot more. I mean, we've already been showing you some social media things that we've been working on. Um, but we also are going to start our uh Instagram page. Nobody in the city has an Instagram page. Uh, but we just kind of feel with like our quick little short videos that we've been doing a lot of filming of that those would be perfect for Instagram. Um, but this is a video that we created to help with recruitment of commissioners.

Can you see it, Jim? Uh, small. Okay. Oh, okay. I got it on full screen. Or maybe Yeah, maybe it's something I need to click on here. Does it look like it's in a folder or are you seeing a is uh Yeah, it looks like I'm I can I can see the video on just a very little box, but it could just be I'm very slow. I wonder if he's seeing the I wonder if he's seeing the meolder. Yeah, he's probably just viewing the folder. So, let me try something else. Let me

And this hasn't been posted yet. That'll probably tomorrow. No, this is the world premiere besides showing it to staff this morning. Okay, I'm going to try something else which I'm sure will work. I can fake it, too. Okay, how about that? Get really close. I got it. I got it. You got it. Okay, cool. Yeah, that was not on your side. That was our side.

Okay, here we go. Commissioners are so happy. Perfect. It is perfect. Yeah, sure.

It's normally not choppy. I downloaded it, so I don't know why it's still choppy, but um one thing that was suggested this afternoon was for us to just add the link to the where it's at on the Yeah. Um you could do it in the description. Yeah. Yeah. So, perfect. Video. That's great. And if my face on there doesn't work, we may have to rely on others. That's good. on screen. No wedding. What's that? Yeah. No wedding pictures. No, no, no. Those are later.

Yeah, those are in later slides.

Uh, so right now we currently have two. Tomorrow morning, we'll have three. And then January 1, if we don't fill any, we'll have four. which if you don't want to meet for a while, you could find a way to stop anybody from applying. Um, but yeah, so what our plan was was initially when we were looking at this 6 months ago, I didn't really want to bring anybody on in the middle of the pros plan and have them just try to get caught up. And so they'll inherit a plan that has been created. Um, I'm sure we have one application. Um, but we want to kind of wait a month or so and see what else we can get.

But I I you know, I like the idea doesn't of the representation mirror in the districts and and where are the council members in terms of recruiting for this?

We can we can try to do that. that was brought up during our meeting this afternoon by Jane um Rebelowski and she didn't know for sure how positions were selected. Um we can let's say we get 10 applications. We could kind of look and see and really it's a recommendation from the department to uh the mayor and the mayor makes the full recommendation to council. Um but we could look at their involvement and locations of where they live. I mean, I think ideally you have a good cross-section of people in the community and you don't have everybody from East Park or Sure. or one particular location or one one type of interest group.

I think I think that'd be really good for a number of reasons because it also that person for if they're recommended by a council member might have the ear of that council member when we're talking back. Yeah. And um I thought I heard that today that council would help get the word out. Yes. But yeah, I think if they can promote it in their district meetings, that would be very helpful. Maybe look at what representation we have now and where the gaps are. So we can see who to target on the council. Yep. So I'm trying to think you're district two and you're four,

five, three. All right. Manette. Yep. Three. Three. 345. Manette. Tim, could you post that video on BCAP? Yeah, we can talk to um Colleen about getting it on there on their page. Yeah. Yep. Is there any kind of approval process that you have to go through with the city before you post things on on our website or is it on the website? Like on the city website? Yeah, on the city website. It goes through the IT department. Okay. Uh but on our social media, no

I mean I think there's st there's kind of guidelines. Actually AJ does our posting mostly. Um we didn't have control of that before. Everything had to go through Kelsey and it and we wanted to be able to do some Facebook live videos or or kind of some instant on-site type stuff. Sure. Um and departments have the ability to do that. Um, Kelsey's just there to help if needed. So, like if you if you go on our social media and you see um an ad put together for this meeting, Kelsey developed that. So, I copy her on when I send the agenda and minutes out to the group. Yeah.

And so then that prompts her to create what needs to go in the meetings, upcoming meetings and things on the website. And then she automatically creates a social media post uh related to it for both the city Facebook page I think and the department page. So she is involved but we have more flexibility in control of the social media. Is that something you can share with the commissioners um once like you get the green light to put it out there the video? Yeah. Yeah. Because I'd love to share that with some Absolutely. Yep. I think I'll just post it. Yeah, Facebook. Yeah, I can just um Cool. Yeah, I think that's great.

Putting that together and I'm all for that. And yeah, get some new blood in here. Yeah, I just like the videos in general. Yeah, quality. Visual. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, they've been great during the the pros plan. All the little site visits that you Yeah, they're amazing. Yeah, it's just a huge help, too. all the visuals because I mean we were going through 20 parks in a meeting or something crazy and it's like we can't get out we can't all get out there and um it just yeah it just and then it creates a record for us in the future too. Great part six where you had kind of so that was

that was and the pictures. Yeah. Yeah. We think some people on the council probably haven't seen several of those parts. Oh, for sure. Yeah, probably not. Yeah. Well, thanks for uh throwing that in there tonight. That was Yeah, that was perfect. Appreciate it. Uh okay, so next up now we have new business uh pros plan update review of the public process, please. On that note, on that on the pros note, thanks Pat.

Thank you. Uh let's see. We are going to go through each page in the entire 2026 Bros Plan. Now we're ready. No, we're not. I'ming out. Give me a break. Jim just dropped off. Let's see. What song was that we were gonna play? What was that song we were gonna play? Yeah. Yeah. No, the plan tonight was to summarize

as opposed to get into further detail. Uh because I'm pretty sure you guys have seen enough. Um so these are um I had done a Can you see the slide, Jim? Uh not yet. Uh, I see the file. You're trying to bring up the folder. I saw the folder. Now I

Okay. Oh, let me Maybe I need to do it like that. And then let me go back to here and then share. How about now? I got it. Thank you.

Okay. So, I had done a presentation. I'm a part of the Lions Club and um I was they had me on the agenda to give an update for the pros plan and kind of a summary of the survey process and um the week or two weeks after my daughter's wedding, I showed up to a meeting. I wasn't presenting at that one, but they were upset that I didn't have wedding pictures. And so the next week I was presenting and so I had like six slides on the pros plan and like 12 wedding pictures that 12 wedding slides which were after the pros plan and like about four slides in in 20 minutes in the lady ra one lady raised her hand and said when are we going to get to the wedding pictures so that's cool that left a couple slides with wedding pictures in. So, this is uh my daughter in the middle that got married, McKenna. Um, and then this is my youngest daughter or my sec other daughter, Addie, who's a sophomore at Boyisee State. But Kenna just graduated last year from Witworth and lives in Port Orchard. Now,

where was this? Where are they at? Where's this wedding at? Uh, this is on Alex uh the Grun's his mom's property in Port Orchard. They have about three acres there that But the point is we want to get more of these in the parks, right? Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. You're like, you just paid for a wedding in Port Orchard. How does that support local? I get it. I You also have heard that the brides control the weddings, right?

So, I was not going to argue with her. Okay. So uh just real briefly on this slide um obviously you all know that the four key uh plan elements reasons why we do this uh is to update our inventory of our park system uh as every business kind of updates their their inventories um so we know what's there what's necessary um what what's going to be needing to be to be done moving forward. um gathering citizens input. Um obviously we are funded from property taxes. So the voice of the people is extremely important to us and we don't want to put amenities and parks that aren't wanted either.

But we want to make sure our our funding is um is going in the direction that it needs to to go and is going to make the biggest effect.

Um helps us maintain grant eligibility. Um you'll see you know we have the the six and 12year capital plans in there. Those are extremely important when we are going for grant funding uh to show that there's been a process in place and we've gathered public input and the commission has supported an idea and the council supported an idea and so the community is fully behind. uh that really really helps with grant um with scoring of grants that we submit. Um and then obviously we I think I can't remember if we we've talked to some extent of you know planning for the future population growth um and what that might look like if there's annexations that are going to going to be occurring um and to what extent um for planning. Let's see. Okay. Okay. So, this um it's bummer the top is kind of cut off, but this is basically public comments. So, this is just a slide to show uh the many different ways that we've reached out um to provide in to gather input. So these are just various um whether they're uh the pros plan video that we uh created with BCAT uh which was a great video um and then just advertising our separate u meetings. So all of these meetings we've advertised as pros um part of the pros pro process and to please come and share your input. Um so it does note like nine social media posts but a lot of those were reposted as well. So, um, we've had quite a bit. And then obviously the 900 survey responses. Um, I really think that between social media and, uh,

really getting the, um, the flyer information to the school district hugely helped us because we tripled what we brought in last six years ago as far as community feedback.

Magic. Um so um I really attribute that um to that. So this just kind of gives you an idea of you know obviously different routes that we've taken to to promote and get things out. It doesn't you know necessarily limit because there were different presentations that were made to different groups. Um I went into four different groups at the middle school and and had kids hand fill out surveys as well. So then we kind of got um some direct comments back from youth uh which was great. Um this for upper left the how important do you think Breton parks and recck system is to life in Breton is to us seems like a dumb question but it's extremely important and it really can be telling

as far as some of the responses we see later on is despite the fact that everything costs money and we need funding to continue to do what we do in the community um to be able to see that 96.7% % of those that filled this out really truly feel that um what we do is important to their life in Breton. That's a huge number. Um typically you may see 80 to 85% um as far as a response rate. So to have essentially 97% um supportive of what we do, that's huge. That's a big deal. Um on the right hand side um something we had kind of gone through a little bit too just kind of talks about as far as responses. Um and I believe this takes into account both written responses and comment and check boxes. Um, but these are kind of the top 11 priorities as far as what responses we received. Um, in seeing uh how many people had interest out of those 900 and not everybody filled out every question, but really just does give us um a lot of information and and we really can kind of justify all of them. I mean, roller skating facilities was questioned by one council member saying, "Is that really true or did they just have their 40 people, you know, respond?" And and really um the the narrative there on the side with the skating rink closing in 2017, that was a lot of the comments made made reference to the fact that they want to see a skate facility back. Um, and again it kind of goes to some Kenny's comments too is you know again you know a a uh bike polo facility didn't make the list but you know bike

polo roller skating um all these different out potential outdoor you could do football soccer on it too. so small, a soccer ball, you could do, but a surface like that is potentially important to this community. And whether that needs to be a city-driven project or a partnership with a private entity, um that's something that, you know, we want to continue to look at and whether we're helping them locate a spot or or utilizing something that we have, that's something that we'll be, you know, looking at. pickle ball courts. Obviously, pickle ball's big. Um, that's a that's going to be a trend that's going to continue to grow. Um, I did in in the PIP meeting earlier today, I did tell them that starting to see some um there was a lawsuit recently that was settled in Boisee uh between a neighborhood, two different neighborhoods, and the pickle ball courts at the parks. they uh the public won that lawsuit and so the city's having to remove those two separate facilities partly because they did not go through a public process uh to place them there. Um the recommendation from the national overall pickle ball comp pickle ball organization says you should build a court no less than 4 to 500 ft from housing because of the decibel issue and and noise. Um one of their facilities in Boisee is 58 ft from the closest home. Um so they built it kind of in a corner where there's a number of houses. Um so that was kind of interesting. Um you know we don't have dedicated pickle ball uh here. Uh we have um lines at Manette

which um you know there's housing within 80 ft of the court there. Um plus you have concrete and rock wall there so the sound pops off of that. Um Lion's Park is even closer to the neighbor's housing. And not that we're going to shut anything down, but just looking at even with pickle ball facilities and watching the trends that are happening, you know, it'll be interesting to see because there is that really sad tennis court in Forest Ridge and that would be an ideal location, but there's houses like

Yeah. And I've had a couple people reach out to me and say, "We'd love to see a pickle ball court here, but it's literally sits on top of those houses, too. be difficult.

Yep. Yep. And there's um yeah, without getting too much into that court case, but um there's psychological ramifications from the inconsistency of the hitting of a pickle ball versus a tennis ball. Um really interesting stuff. Um if you're bored, I'll send it to you. Uh but anyway, yeah, so um really really kind of good stuff. I mean, things that don't surprise us, um, you know, locating a a dog park, another dog park on the east side. That was something that was very popular. Um, park safety and cleanliness is is going to be a theme throughout as we know. Um, and I think that kind of goes, we'll go kind of to that question six. Um, which is another good positive for us. You know, even looking at the A and B, which is above kind of what the norm is, we're almost at 50% of the responders felt that our facilities as they currently sit are above average. Uh, which is a really good number. And even between A, B, and C, including average, you know, that doesn't leave very much as far as they feel that we're below average or far below average. And I think a lot of those comments can probably be attributed to um concerns with maintenance and safety probably within the park system. Um so yeah, so and that's kind of what it states there is negative ratings were influenced by uh bathroom conditions, safety concerns, and encampments, which again was a a common theme. Uh don't expect you to be able to read this, but this kind of shows you uh the current um master plan uh what was

proposed uh for the 2020 to 2025 26 whatever it says there. Um 2025. Um, so it shows you the check the checked off marks um are ones that have been completed and then added the Quantis Park Playground because of the funding that was received there um and and the great improvements that happened there and then the four other items that are currently in process. So those are moving forward.

Um some of these are big dollar that aren't that don't have any um action taken are big dollar items. Um, you know, just looking at like Harborside Fountain, Memorial Plaza Fountain, I mean, we could be looking at a half a million dollars for a almost 20 year old facilities that people absolutely love and they come here and it's interesting to just go down there and be at a meeting at the at the history museum, but you can tell when someone's local or not local based on how they're walking through there. And there's a lot of people that are just in awe and and love seeing that stuff. And we'd love to see it working properly. But again, we may be looking at a half a million dollars uh to to bring those things up to current standards so everything functions correctly. Um combined community and senior center. Um I I'm trying to remember if we have that on the 20-year uh because we do feel that that's a lot of planning that needs to we think that that's probably what our future looks like is having a just for efficiency purposes is is creating a fac combined facility. Um but that's so we kept that on there. Uh we did move some things around. Um, I think we tried to keep things more realistic um as as much as we could and this is the uh the proposed uh f six-year plan for capital projects. So um carried over the items that we felt should be in there. Um and then like for example um instead of replacement of the senior center and the Sheridan Park community center, we have it listed as a Sheridan Park community center senior center park maintenance facility assessment. So figuring out what we have, what we really need and what is the future of a of a combined facility like that look like.

And then um as noted on the bottom, the items that are um in red because it's not in any particular order, uh the items in red were felt as being high priority items that needed to get resolved.

Um just again kind of making reference to the planning side of things. um needing to make sure that we're acquiring property and looking towards development that helps us continue to maintain our 10-minute walk uh standard to a to a facility. Um and then the estimated population with the current 2024 comp plan that's that's been completed um says in 20 years we within our urban growth area and Breton uh whether the city annexes in areas or not is expected to be almost 77,000 people in 20 years. So needing to make sure that our park system can grow as as that does and and so whether that's something where we look at um you know developers aren't big fans of them and sometimes community development departments aren't but potential uh requirements for developers to set land aside or to develop land or provide funding um for the city to do that um to make sure that we maintain and and create green space uh that's available to the public. So, next steps.

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I can't Most my most my immediate family is on the far right side. I might be over there somewhere. I don't know. I probably went home and went to bed by that point. Yeah. So, uh obviously tonight um we have on the agenda uh for the commission to approve the draft plan. I will note and I forgot to mention it earlier um had some commission members do did provide us some comments which were great. uh we didn't print those off and provide them here. A lot of it just grammatical organizational type stuff. So, we kind of assume that you're going to be supportive of us incorporating those things and then we'll provide you a a copy um for you to be able to review prior to council uh looking at it. But um

what's the quum required? Four. Four. Four out of seven. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. There. Yeah. Start again. No, we're good. No, we're good. No, we I wouldn't have gone through this if if you didn't have a Well, Jim, you there? Yeah, he looks like he's there still. Unless that's Unless that's Jim's AI he created. Uh yeah. So, I'm not that smart.

So, uh yeah. So, tonight the plan would be for uh the commission to consider um approving the draft plan. And then what that would do is that would lead staff to um provide the proposed plan to the state agency. So the recreation conservation office, Department of Commerce for their review period. Um Colette said typically they don't really have a whole lot to say, but it's something that is valuable for them to review and to know that we're we're completing this process. Um and then with that, at the same time, we'd be printing some some copies for public to review. So I have copies here. It was suggested earlier to have some copies um at um the libraries uh for them for the public to be able to view. Um you know have something at Norm Dixs as well.

Um we'll we'll be providing them to when it becomes public to the the council for them to start looking through um addition. So Tim Yeah. Tim is is this document known as the pros update or is there like some formal title to it? It would probably be the Breton Park wreck and open the 2026 Breton Park wreck and open space master plan. Well, then I would move that we approve that. Yeah. Ken. All in favor of approving the proposed growth plan,

please say I. I. We get we get a second pass you down. Uh well, see you later, Jim. Yeah. So, uh just real briefly.

Uh we'll be taking it to council on the 12th of of November to provide a presentation to them. They'll see a lot of slides similar to this. Um, it would be extremely helpful uh for the public hearings if we have some commissioners that can make it to those meetings to provide testimony uh comments. Whether you want to represent um whether it's having Ben or someone represent a voice from the commission and speaking on behalf of the commission or if individual members want to make comments, it would just be really nice to show uh and have that support and you can talk about how much um we put you through this last year. So, Um, and then so the plan is to have the the council adopt it at their last meeting of the year, which would be December 17th. And again, part of that, we talked about this before, part of that push would be uh because we may have a number of council members different or a mayor different in January. So, we want to get this um through with this commit current group that's aware of the project. So, I'm done. Jim,

perfect. You did good. Where are we? Are we thinking like here for those public hearings, director? Uh, those will the public hearings will be at Norm Dicks and they are they will be at 5:30 p.m. It's their regular council meetings in December. So, they're on Wednesdays at 5:30 p.m. Oh, those will be the public hearings. Yeah. Okay. Y third Wednesday is I can definitely make myself available. So, I guess Yeah, it'll be the first and third Wednesday. Yeah. Cool. All right. Any other commissioners have any questions or comments on the pro plan? I'm excited. Good. Yeah. Yeah. It was a lot of work. Yeah, it's a lot.

It was a lot of work, but thank you. Yeah. Thank you guys so much for all your input and support and putting up with It was It was a lot of work. Yeah, it was a lot of work. A lot of Yeah. Yeah. [Music] Didn't have an option. No, I speak good. Come in. They are familiar. Yeah. It would just be tough. Yeah. Because you feel obligated to Yeah. catch up big time. Y

for sure. All right. Uh, next up in new business, we have a potential reschedule of a October commission meeting. Correct. Yeah. So, um, that the regularly scheduled meeting in October, Colette and I will be out of town. Um, and so the two options we were looking at and knowing that we combine November, December also, which is usually the first Yeah. Tuesday in December, which would be the day before the first public hearing. Um, so that would be on December 2nd. Y

um, we would like to propose moving the meeting to November 4th. Um, if that works. If not, we could go a week before the regular meeting, which I don't let me see what the date that is, just because November, it would kind of instead of having it, it would shorten the time frame and we'd probably be able to give a little more feedback on the playground. October 21st. Yeah. So, either October 21st or November 4th.

Yeah. No, I hear you. I'm fine with 114. Yeah. And then we would still do one December 2nd. Yeah. Yeah. That would be our combined November December meeting.

All right. So, I will make a motion to uh move our octo our regularly scheduled October meeting to Tuesday, November 4th. And then um the other part of my motion will be to make our combined November December meeting Tuesday, December 2nd at 5:30 at 5:30 right here in beautiful Sheridan Park. Be d is that it? That was That's I second it. All right. All in favor of approving uh the reschedule of October and the combined November December meetings, please say I. I. I. I.

All right. And that will pass uh unanimously. Hey. Uh Chairman Ben. Yes. I I'm not sure if we end up having to call those special meetings instead of regular meetings. Maybe you can just look at that before you publish them because of the the way we're set up with with ordinance. Our ordinance says our meetings are on these dates. And so I think when we change the date, we would call it a special meeting. A special meeting. Okay. Yeah. I'm trying to remember too because I think the bylaws allow us allow you to change it. But I agree too, Jim. We Yeah.

You just need to make sure it's called the correct thing. Good call, Commissioner. Yeah. Yeah. And then you would cancel your regular meeting. Yeah. Yep. And and I thank you for doing both at the same time. Yeah. So then we don't have to do one and then No, we don't have to do it again. Do it again. We can just handle for the rest of the year. Yeah. Do them both at once. Yeah. Cool. Okay. Next up, uh we have commissioner's comments. And uh I was going to start tonight and just uh thank Commissioner McDonald for being just the dedicated civil servant he has been for the city of Breton for a very long time.

Yeah. Commissioner, buddy. Appreciate you. Thank you. The other I had a quick question. Um, did we get any um did we give any feedback to PSSE on the parking that came up at last month's meeting? Yes, good question. Uh, we did and I communicated with them and, uh, they said they were willing to look at the redesign, but then they also wanted to verify that when the four stalls were taken up, that was for their construction use only. Um, oh,

so I read it as that would be the whole design though. So So they they are they are looking at narrowing it down, but we at least saved one automatic. Okay. Just because their the way they their display was. So I've been Yeah. And I've been communicating with them as recent as yesterday. Great. So maybe we'll get a new proposal here in a month or two and Yeah. Cool. Perfect. Okay. Great. Thank you for answering my question. All right. Uh, Commissioner Wgle,

I have two questions. I when I was reading over the pros plan, it says drinking fountains and I've seen in some of the parks, they also include a dog watering. I know that is a higher cost, but in the new park or the parks that are getting updated, would that include a dog watering option under on the bottom? Just, you know, meow walk a dog. to help. And is the boardwalk, I know that there's been bricks that have been sold and there's still some spaces down there. Does that go to the park or is that the city or is that the marina? So, could we sell more bricks or push getting some more bricks sold to raise some money?

Those are my two questions. Yeah, thank you. Yeah, typically if we can in development process, um we don't do bottle filters here as much as I've seen others. Um but I think we try to incorporate as long as the budget allows the the dog because I don't I was paying up to $8,000 for those. I don't know what it is for the combined ones. Yep. Yep. But uh yeah, so like Hatton's a good example. We put a dog one in. Yeah. But I think that's kind of the goal. Okay. Yep. All right, Commissioner Dawson. Nothing to add today.

All right, last but not least, Commissioner McDonald, send us home.

All right, thank you. Um, yes, uh, pardoning his sweet sorrow. Um, have mixed feelings about not being with you uh, in the future, but I I'm really stoked to have Tim as our parks director. I hope he can stay till he's old and retired. because I think he does a great job. And for Brian, you know, he came in and we threw him into the fire and he came out as prime rib. Uh so he's really really really good hire there. And Plette has been a rock ever since I've known her before Lion's Park redesign, which was I'm not going to say how old how long ago because it might give away her age. Um, and then for my commissioners, Ben, you've been a rock and I appreciate your leadership. Um, and that you're sticking with it and I love the way you run the meetings and the way Katherine backed you up and I came in with both Katherine and Greg. And I you guys are both just really good park commissioners. I'm happy you're sticking with it. And uh, you won't you haven't heard the last of me. I'll just say that.

All right. Thank you for your Thank you for your service. Thank you for your service, guys. It's great. [Laughter] Thank you, Jim. Thank you. Appreciate it. Yeah. No, just real briefly, Jim. I've I've appreciated conversations we've had and and email communications and just your your insight into things has been extremely helpful. So, thank you for that. We will we will miss you, but I know you're not going anywhere. So, we'll find we'll find a good spot for you. All right. Thanks. All right. All right. And with that, meeting. Thank you. Thank you.

Enjoy the cabin. Later, J. All right. Well, bye bye. Take care.