Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

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check. Okay. Uh, call this meeting of the North Kansas City Planning Commission to order. Uh, first order of business is approval of the agenda from the September 4th, 2025 uh, meeting of the planning commission. Motion to approve. Do I hear a second? Second. All in favor? I.

Okie dokie. Comments from the public. Don't be shy. Moving on. Um, regular agenda items. The first item is a discussion for the master plan update kickoff. Chu.

Yep. This is the only item on the agenda tonight. and thank you all for making it here on such a cold evening. I know December is always a gamble. Um but thank you very much for being here. We're trying to gathering here to identify a pre-kickoff meeting here before we start um our real kickoff meeting for the master plan update. I know quite a few of you have already in the discussion for our master plan update. Generally I would like to provide a little background of what is our master plan and what does it do. So our current master plan was adopted back in 2016 and it was about 10 years ago and this is typically how long the life cycle is for a master plan and the master plan is designed generally to represent the voice of the community mostly guarding uh guiding and regarding to the future growth of the city. say what type of development we want, what density do we want, where do we want and then um it is developed through a large amount of coordination and it is usually in a very efficient and effective manner till it gets outdated. So after numerous meetings and conversations with different stakeholders including council members, community leaders, business owners, um we had the feeling that we need to update the master plan. And this topic evolved like probably about couple years ago from the moment we were preparing to update it till now we can have a kickoff um after we signed a contract with Osen the company to do our general um there our general contractor to do the overall master plan update. Now we're very happy to announce where the update is under its way. So um there

are two handouts. I put it on the desk for you. One of them has this colorful column and it's a landscape and orientation that is generally what the contents are embedded in this process. They are divided into engagement activities and deliverables and they are in different phases. Overall there are about five phases. There is a phase of initiating. That's of course the first phase. That's what we're talking about. And ours is actually the phase zero as of right now. And I will talk a little bit about what we're trying to do here. And the phase two is to discover and that is the planning process. You kind of need to gather a lot of existing condition data and uh to understand where we're at as of today. And then phase three is envision. envision is this is where we want to engage a lot of different stakeholders of the community to set our goals to have a clear vision of where we want to head to. And then phase four is where the plan is being drafted and there will be a commenting and um a review period over there as well. And then phase five of course that's the last phase that's implementation of the plan and along with probably some monitoring mechanisms and keep updating what we possibly could and we'vedved through these phases. There are some highlighted components there are some purple ones over there as you can see there is deliverable 3A and 3B. Those are the big items that is related to public engagement. We have planned on different type of public engagement. One of them is we will send out handouts and materials and surveys

and press release through different channels, social media, newspaper and whatever we can think of. So that is a typical communication style. And then we will also have uh popup events. That's where we bring our staff and um our consulting firm into the events that's already there. Say for example last year what we did for a couple different project is we staff actually went to the parks movie night uh of one of the movie night and where there is already a large amount of people out there and then have a set up a table and try to gather feedback for certain project. So those are what the popup events like and then we will have u the yellow ones are more of a formal um formal workshops as of traditionally how we would host these meetings that include a workshop for visioning that we're really talking about our dreams and what we see for the future and then there is a planning and design sharet this is a one-day effort it it doesn't require people participate to be there for a day, but staff will be there for a day. Try to capture as much um flow as possible, as much traffic as we could. And that is where we're going to getting our um getting on our feet and put our hands down and really designing what we see for um our current conditions and what we wanted to make changes for the future. And then there will be open house. That's usually more of a presentation wise of our findings. And then open we have open house one, two and three and those are each of them have a different target. O open house one we're gathering more feedbacks generally open house two it is more of a presenting what we have found and what

the plan the draft plan is like and then gather feedback and continuously making changes to the plan and openhouse three really is um a presentation of the final product. And so along with the master plan, there are one thing a little different this year or a little different to this project is we have dedicated a resource to focus on a communitywide parking study. Um that has been a hot topic since I've been here. How could parking not be? Um and it came from different perspective of the community. the high school. We have a very unique urbanized area with a campus embedded in a neighborhood surrounding and we have traditional neighborhoods who have very compact lots and are not large enough typically to build parking garages. And we have um conflict with the different events and the necessary needs at different time. And of course our downtown area, our business owners, they all have different needs. And then even more to think about the future to think about what potential transition of the land use we could embed. There will be um topic about how's our parking demand and supply look like and what are the um requirements that we should laid out or what are the requirements we should get rid of. So those are the topics um that will be weaved into this exercise. It is anticipated to be about 18 months for this entire product including the parking study and the master plan the final plan delivery. uh what we are asking here uh in front of planning commission first is to give you a background and I would love to asking uh you if you have any question regarding to this process and then I

will try to answer it as much as possible and the reason I'm giving you this opportunity to ask question is the second goal I have over here is I'd like the planning commission to form a subcommittee for the master plan the subcommittee along with me join the subcommittee will form a North Kansas City core team. So in the scope of work we um pointed out and def or defined a few different teams. One is the core team the CT like we really like those abbreviates and then one is the technical committee. Those are the ones that focus more on um the data analysis part and they're mostly um formed by our consulting firm and then staff over here in the city as well. And then we also have stakeholder committee and the stakeholder committee we have not formed it yet but it is probably one of the largest group. We're trying to reach out as many stakeholders as possible. what I can think of, we will have business um representatives from North Kansas City Business Councils probably and we will have high school representatives uh from the school district. We will have um neighborhood leaders and we will have um bike and ped ad hoc committee members and who promotes those um multimodel transportations. we will have um all sorts of ages and background and and different cultures to try to get as many voices as we could to the table. So that's what the stakeholder committee look like and over here the core committee I want to put more effort to explain what that is um is really the one that who does all the heavy lifting. So ideally the subcommittee I'm requesting

you to form today will have three planning commission members and council member liaison and mayor is not included because council member leaison and mayor they will be in a different group in the process and consider how much they typically are involved in the city's work and it's probably too much to ask them as well. Uh so I and also on the other hand we would love to get planning commission members to be involved because you all are a great voice from the community and you are dealing a lot with the planning zoning cases and you're very experienced as well. So in order to not form a quorum, we can have not more than three planning commission members in this core team. And along with me, I'm also a member of the core team will become the U North Kansas City officially. The core NKC core team, it's not a great name for it. We need to come up with a better name. uh but this team will actually be joining the monthly meeting. There will be a monthly meeting uh and prior to the monthly meeting there is a kickoff meeting. As you can see we already actually scheduled it and there will be um decisions on who needs to help with what popup events. So we might actually assign a core team member to do to cover different activities throughout the public engagement component. So this core team actually will be the real ones monitoring and managing this product along with our consulting firm. So I know you will have questions about how much contribution you need to put it in uh and maybe along with other things.

I'm here to answer the questions. Um, and if you all agree, I'm hoping at the end of this discussion, we can elect a uh subcommittee over here to join a court team. All right, it's your turn. Thank you, Shu. Any comments from planning commission?

Um, I just wanted to make a couple questions just to pick your brain a little bit. Um, so I joined the planning commission probably right at 201617. um right after the last master plan was done and I I saw in the note here that we you know recognize that the growth of the city is one of the driving factors to redo it what 10 years later here is that common from your experience a master plan every 10 years with high growth so or is there some my my question is is there some way we could do it differently this time so we're not having to repeat in 10 years I don't know how much these cost are they millions I mean

so they typic It depends on how much work you're uh fabricated into the master plan. Like for our master plan, uh we have an overall master plan. They cover everything like going from economic demographic analysis to land use recommendations and analysis of infrastructure and your recreation all aspects because that's what a master plan is for. Typically in the planning world or professional area that we refer these as comprehensive plans. They should be the ultimate guidance for the city. Um and for a lot of department as well to be quite honest and most of the city is I've seen due to budget limitations they're generally updating their m their comprehensive plans every 20 years. That's on the average I I've been aware. Um, and in our region, I know Kansas City just updated theirs a couple years ago and now it's called the the the Kansas City playbook. You can search on that. And before they they had a mass uh comprehensive plan called Focus, it was really old. I remember uh I when I first started there and open the um comprehensive plan and saying this does not align with their zoning recommendations anymore. So I think you will know when is time to update it and it is never for a planner to be um forcing enough to see oh I can make a plan that's great enough that we don't have to update it in 10 years it a lot of that comes with what is the growth coming to the city and so in our plan we will model a few different scenarios according to some of the uncertainty of the growth. Uh we're trying to not update this as of as you know as least

often as possible because it is a massive amount of work and any time when you do a master plan update the next step typically is to take a look at the zoning reform because after you reset your goals and your future goals for growth, what zoning does is it does not match or align with what your goal is because of that shift. Um, and so you have to rean an analyze your current zoning ordinances and see what updates you need to do. And those usually will take years to come. Um, and then you finally enforce it and you'll find out problems in it and then you will know, okay, lessons learned or there could just be some unexpected growth occurring. um and then you will know okay it's time for us to adjust our regulations but for us I have to say yes we we owe this update probably years ago u given the rapid growth that we probably did not anticipate it um 10 years ago over there

and that even is true for like because I think we did a parking study like 2018 but you're just saying based on the growth even seven years later you need to do it redo that no the parking study is a little different. Okay. So, the we had a parking management plan and that one was done pretty much in house and it was only limited to downtown business area. I see.

So, it was not a communitywide parking study and it was doesn't have a focus on what about residential growth, what does that mean in certain areas for parking. So, there were a lot of aspects that was not fabricated in in that one. So, it I would not say this parking study is a redo um or even an update to what we currently have. It is really probably the first overall thorough parking study that you will see. I had a question. Yes. So, so you've been here a while. Um did the city use this master plan as guidance?

Yes. And was it how I guess the real question is how much did co change some of that master plan because it's almost like society changed to some degree during that time period.

Sure. So COVID came after we did a zoning reform. So you're going to consider the master plan is a policy guidance. It means this is what we encourage. This is what we wanted to do. Whereas zoning is a law. It says this is the minimum you have to do. So after we updated a master plan in 2016, I say updated, I mean adopted, there was a zoning reform because in the master plan there was already a zoning framework attached to it. And so we did a massive zoning um code uh rewriting basically and that was generally down toward the second half year of 2018 and that was all precoid and there is um I would say transition of the enforcement of the new zoning code and there is nonconformity as well because of the update of the code but as of today I can what I can say is I don't believe the co made our zoning reform or master plan outdated. I don't think that's the reason behind it. I think largely it is because of the economic growth and the different land use growth in our city and of course there are a lot of causes to it that caused the needs for updating it. it is not because of the pandemic I would say and then the what it does the master plan do to the pandemic I don't think it it impacted the pandemic very much neither because at that time uh one of the things I remember was the parklet the ordinance for parklets they're the ones we allow dining basically for the

on street parking areas with certain um parameters being defined those were adjusted during the covid time. So there are mechanisms that you can do in response to these very rare and odd scenarios that that is not a factor that cause our master plan needs to be updated or um vice versa. I would say that's a good reason to keep it up to date pretty frequently. It's just the rapidness with the economic conditions changed over the last decade.

Sorry, I will speak more directly. Uh it the economic conditions have changed a ton over the last decade, especially in North Kansas City. The impact of the regional economy and how it's playing out in our town has changed quite a bit and a lot of the demands and a lot of the expectations about what might happen here in the future have changed a ton over the last decade. And so keeping the master plan, which is primarily a vision document, is to me a a good idea. It's hard to keep it as like a living document because it is supposed to be we spent a lot of time investing in this but expectations and things change. So I'll I'll ask can is it time for the fun questions yet? Um, the mayor's not here to to help me through the wording on this, but um, let's say a major league sports team was interested in North Kansas City and we knew that timeline was in the near future. In the in the thought of, you know, you you need to replan if something happens. It seems to me like our timeline is is a bit interesting because, you know, you could say that we'll we'll try to take that into consideration, but the reality is once they gave us a design or plans or something, we we would probably have to redo everything. I I think yeah, it would it would be a massive undertaking. So, I I assume that is understood that all these dates are subject to change. If something like that were to come down and we had to take into something drastic that wasn't there, right? We wouldn't just keep keep everything on schedule with something that big right

we don't know what is the scenario over there but what I mentioned earlier is that is one of the things right there are other uncertainties as well so we will fabricate in the when we say we give a consideration it's not just simply oh what if happen let's adjust the number

we will literally looking into it as a case study and we have already talked about this with our consulting firm throughout the interviews because they they we don't you don't know what you don't know but this is why it's fun to do the planning part that if it happens what should we do and I don't think necessarily it means we will have to make a big change to this plan because the goal is to make this plan flexible enough and have captured that scenario um but maybe there will be some sort of amendment or update age that is possible.

That was kind of my question. Part of my concern is, you know, we don't know what's going to be down there, but there's a outside party owns a 100 plus acres more or less across the street from here with plans to redevelop it into something. So just how do we not sink a huge amount of money into this and it's immediately outdated? So this is actually a great opportunity if you think about it in a different way that really hear what the community wants because this is a what a master plan mean is you're trying to lay out a community vision. It's not a vision from me. It's not a vision from our chair. It's not the vision from our council or even mayor. It is a vision from the community. That should be a great foundation to guide what your future needs to be. So we're taking a step ahead before we even see any proposal right now.

So it is like we're giving the private market a signal. This is what we want. And I I see it as it's actually a great opportunity for the community to put out the voices and then give even some guidance for the private market about what the community

I think that's a really important point. Community input is always difficult to get right but around certain topics which we've referenced there's there is a lot of community input and the feeling from the people I've talked to is what does it matter if I come to the city council? What does it matter if I come to an open house? they're never going to listen to me anyway. But what you're saying is that with the input into the master plan, if the residents voiced that they wanted a certain thing and the city decided that they wanted to listen to the residents and do a certain thing,

then when it came time to zoning, we would follow those guidance and not what outside interests wanted, right? It would have to be it would have to follow. So the master plan to your point is the resident's choice to get involved in a way that would support through policy through zoning what should or shouldn't be here. Right. I see it this way. And that I just think that's important if we when we try to get people to get interested in this that we say like this this is how it works, right? And this is how we make changes.

Exactly. And this is the way I've been taught at school. And I think this is the way how it should function because it becomes a where you get the guidance from. And I don't think there is a better document than the master plan because the core of the master plan is the community voice. That's why we put a lot of items in the uh engagement deliverables that is related to public engagement. We will have a whole public engagement plan itself and we have so many different stakeholder reviews, different channels to push out and different ways to get people's input and the reason for that and that's where we're really spending the money at. And the reason for that is because we wanted to get a large community concepts and which is always the hardest part to build but what it matters is it guides our zoning. So for right now, we have a lot of single traditional single family residential zonings, right? They I'm just throwing a hypothetical example over here. It's I'm not trying to manipulate one way or the other. Say we have a single family residential zoning which requires um certain lots or areas to have one dwelling unit only. You cannot build a duplex. you cannot build a uh three unit or four unit. If we hear the community say, you know, the affordability is an issue and we want to encourage more density in certain areas and we're okay with duplex. We're okay with duplex that not each of the dwelling unit needs to have a parking garage. Then we can change the zoning code to allow such thing to happen. So later on, it's not just a policy guidance. That's where I said that usually leads to a zoning reform.

It becomes the law. And if anybody comes say, "Oh, I wanted to build a 10 unit sto a 10-unit apartment on the single family lot, which used to be single family lot. Now it's a duplex." We can say, "No, the community is comfortable level right here, which put it into zoning, is that they want a duplex or triplex. That's how much they the cap of the threshold they feel comfortable with. a 10 unit you have to go through a different process which is called reszoning. You have to ask for modification from that. So this is why I see I think Byron you just put it he hit it right on the spot why this document matter and I wanted anybody listening to this to understand that we truly want to hear your voice and your voice does matter. Uh, kind of going off of that, can you just speak on like what the 2016 master plan like what it accomplished so that community members would know Sure. kind of like what their voices meant then and what it can mean in the future.

Sure. I will try my best on this topic because I was not here in 2016 uh or later when the zoning was down. But um you know that's always the guidance that we need to understand what does it do. If anybody is interested in knowing the details of the master plan and including all the public engagement process of it, it is on our website under the government under community development and there is a sub um category that's called adopted plans. So if you click on adopted plans on the website there the first one comes up is the master plan and the master plan itself has a bunch appendix to it. the there is an appendex for market analysis. The market analysis um analyzed and diagnosed the demographic, economic uh housing and etc over at that time and then including of course the retail office and industrial uses those are economic factors and then there is appendix B that's the zoning framework. So the zoning framework functioned really well at that time. It became a fundamental piece for the zoning reform later on. And then there is appendix C and D and E. Those are area focused components. There is the armor um road redevelopment area which as we all know today a lot of the people call one north. there was a component for that area very specifically what type of development we want and then there is also Burlington corridor complete street that's actually a part of the master plan idea along with armor road complete street and then the last part was the bike master plan so all of these are

children evolved from the overall master plan but at that time I would say the most important thing the master plan did at that time was it divided the city into different areas that's called characteristic area and one of the characteristic area that we often refer in a zoning code is called the downtown characteristic area that was the first time really we have a very clear and defined boundary about where is downtown characteristic area it leads and link directly to the later on zoning reform of what we know as of today C2 And for C2 there is no parking requirement. So that is a huge um influence as you can see how the logic goes going from a policy guidance to zoning adoption and to enforcement as of today. And as far as I can tell I think the zero parking requirement means zero um off streetet parking requirement. It makes sense. It definitely helped with our downtown businesses even though we hear a lot of controversial things and pressures. But at the end of the day, we do feel like it definitely helped with the downtown businesses and help guide the future growth, what type of growth we want. So those are the items that you know we can take days and days to talk about the master plan. Um but at that time there were a lot of public engagement um was ho hosted as as well. There was popup events and there was community survey. There was open house and there was planning commission hearing. One of the very important functionality you guys will hold is you'll have the initial hearing for the adoption of the final

plan and you'll re make recommendation to the city council. So you guys will be the first body hearing all of this. Um and then there was public comments at that time as well. So um that's how the community was engaged at that time. If we were to do a little bit different today, I would say we probably ought to make more efforts to different um groups of our populations, not just including our regular population, our residents, but also including our daytime population. That's a very important factor as well because we, as I stated in the memo, we're 25,000 daily daytime population. There are a lot of people don't live here but work here and spend some time here either entertaining or contribute to this community and they're part of this plan as well. So we will make some efforts to that.

Yeah, I do recall like you know the complete streets plan being part part of the master plan right from 2016. Yeah. And then when it came time to implement it there were a lot of people like what are you talking about? I had no idea. if only I didn't. But like she was saying, there was a process like a vision of we're going to try to make this more walkable. We're going to try to slow down the speed of traffic. All this was discussed and everybody said, "Well, I didn't know." So that that, you know, when we're trying to create a new vision and things will change how they feel, how they're used, it's important for people to be there when when the opportunity is to have input on that. You know, that that might include businesses and and residents. So I thought I thought that was a good lesson learned. Maybe

one one other example I would give is when I read the when I read the master plan for the first time, one of my big takeaways was one of the primary pieces of guidance it was providing was to preserve single family housing in North Kansas City. And that influenced I believe this uh emissions a lot of our work over the last couple of years, but in particular really where the rubber meets the road on a lot of things like with the church um the possibility of demolishing a church for a parking lot and and two single family houses for the same purpose. Um, but at the by the same token, that guidance didn't prevent a project like Oxbow from happening, nor does Oxbow really interfere with our ability to preserve um single family housing. So it it this document is really highlevel visioning of what the community wants to see with all of the context that we now have over the last decade of how our decisions from the last process influenced development in the community and how we might either want to reccalibrate or double down on some of the things that we committed to in 2016. So that's just my take on it.

I will say I do have a comment on that what you said and that's was I came here in about 2015 2016 and I did go to like all these things that we're going to do coming up. I mean I was brand new but I looked into it. I found out what was going on. I mean I didn't have to search very much. I guess my point is this that there will always be people that complain and say they didn't know. It's almost it's like when somebody I see on Facebook sometimes on the North K neighbors where they'll say, "Does our trash get picked up today?" I'm like, first of all, you don't need to really ask that question in forum and forum. You can go to north city.com and look up your trash pickup. I mean, but that happens a lot, right? And then and people actually complain about it. It's like, you know, it is out there. You don't have to like scream it on these different forums or whatever. So, I think we can't like, you know, as a commission, we can't like think that if we do it right, we're going to get hundreds of people to these events, right?

I mean, there were there were I thought the ones I went to had 40 or 50 people. Well, I thought, well, that's pretty good turnout. I mean, pretty good turnout. I don't know. You know, you can put it out there and people always take a route to say they either didn't know or if they said something it wouldn't matter, which is a good way of saying I'm not going to do. Yeah. I mean, I think people Yeah, there you go. I mean,

I think people just also don't realize how long things take also and how the process is, you know. I didn't know until I do about all the processes like even at my job or whatever like oh I have to go through this I have to go through the government with this and this and this and this and then I finally can get purchase this or whatever. So I just don't think people understand the length of time. I mean if the planning for making this takes 18 months obviously some one of the projects that is going to happen from this is going to take years. So I think maybe coming up with some strategy to also remind people of what was discussed. I don't know.

Yeah, we'll definitely have that in the public engagement plan. Um and to all your point this is why we're trying to form a core committee involving a subcommittee from planning commission because once when you are volunteer into the core committee you're responsible to let all your neighbors know is you're the one spreading the words out as well. Um, so and and I actually like people when they say when they ask a question, I see it as this is the moment they get to know about this item. They might not care about it. They might care more than what they thought about, but it's an opportunity. So I this is why I'm doing I'm hoping to do it a little bit different this time to involve a um subcommittee from the planning commission. I really hope you you all can uh we can get some volunteers for

what on that point the core the core team when you're doing a master plan like this what what's the occurrence of meetings like what's the time commitment?

Okay, I'm glad you asked. Uh so the core team we I'm what I'm picturing ideally and you guys can discuss and debate and make your decision of course. What I pictured is the core team will have a monthly uh mostly virtual but there will be some inperson or at a minimum hybrid options with a consulting the project manager. So we have two main project managers and maybe involve a little bit more. So on the monthly meetings there will be a very detailed update on what happened, what activities did we do, what are the accomplishments, do we have deliverables? Like for example, the first one which is the best part is about branding. We need to figure out and define uh a theme and a logo to brand this comprehensive plan itself because that's usually the first marketing step that you do your branding. then it'll catch people's eye. And so there will be involvement on making decisions on which one you like, select it and give comments back to the consulting firm and finalize it. And so we will have a monthly meeting and it depends on how your guys preference is. We could have a planning commissioner um one planning commissioner at each meeting. So you guys can serve at a rotating base or you all could have just tried to come and if we have one or two couldn't make it that's okay as well the other person can give update or I can give an update later on we can do followup as well but no more than three planning commissioners because I don't want to form a quorum and it become make may make may that become an issue um as well but you guys can talk with each other so those are the biggest commitment we're not asking you to draft anything. It will be done by staff and

by our consulting firm, but most likely we would need your input um and ask your help for um outreach to the community and bring their feedback to us as well. Yeah, kind of like the I mean on one hand it'd be great to have the same three people through the whole process, but things happen, right? and people move or whatever. And and so I feel like rotating people and having multiple people involved could could have its advantages um as we think about, you know, how to how to participate.

Yeah. I I think regardless like whichever path we choose there, I like we can't just keep these updates to the CT. It also needs to circulate back through these meetings that we have throughout that 18-month period. But in terms of whether we want to do like a a solid set of three that's making that commitment or the rotation or some variation of that. I don't really have much of a preference. I'm willing to toss my hat into the ring if necessary.

Do you all want it sound like a three is okay for you guys? Do you guys wanted to vote on or just point at each other and recommend at each other and I'll all volunteer since it's 18 months? Back to your point. Maybe at the end of six months we could reevaluate. Yeah. Just say, "Okay, everybody want to continue or do we want to switch it up?" I'm also fine volunteering. Abby might get tired talking to just three of us. So, I mean, I don't mind volunteering. I can volunteer. I have plenty of time. Yeah. Must be nice.

Yeah. I don't You have any Yeah, I I'll be a a backup because we can't have more than three, but if there's a meeting one of you guys can't make, I'd be happy to to jump into that. So, we have three. Perfect. So, maybe maybe we want to just tackle it like that. We'll start with a core or with a core team of us three and we'll be in communication if one of us can't make a thing so that we can coordinate with you to reach out to one of the other commissioners and tag in somebody. Got it. And we can certainly make an update re reports to the full commission when when we see how that fits.

Yep. Thank you all. That that's not as hard as I thought. I thought I won't get any. I mean, I live here. I wanted to have some say, too. First first person up. Yeah. And I think if most of them are virtual, that's a, you know, much easier thing, right?

All right. I think we're done with the first item and the only item for discussion unless you all have any other questions for it. Um maybe just one last one. As you're going through the phases, is there a point where the core team comes back to the full planning commission with the mayor and everybody and like this is where we're at or is it only at like a final draft that it comes all the way back to planning commission? So the phases over here are obligations for the consulting firm. Okay.

Because they are built by built by the scope of work. So this is what they have to do, but our core team can come to the full council to do an update or progress report at any time when we see fit. And that's not a bad idea. Anything else? Got I might be jumping way too far ahead, but I'm just looking at this list of documents to be part of this and I know that source water protection plan just got approved. Would this would that make sense to consider with the land overlay land use kind of stuff?

Absolutely. So, we're keep modifying this list that these are the files that will be considered as um background documents and existing plans and information when we are developing a master plan. So, this file I provided over here is to give you an idea. This is like a inventory of our city what we have. If you see um things that are missing here, I would love to hear what those are and I'll make notes and we'll definitely add into this. It's a living document. Thank you very much. Last chance.

Okie dokie. Um I guess that just leaves adjournment. Do I hear a motion to adjurnn? So moved a second. I'm sorry. There's a still a staff comment time. Apologies. I I have one comment. Yes.

Thank you. Not saying thank you. That's not my comment. Um I just wanted to kind of have you all maybe discuss about the next meeting. We have a schedule for the u January meeting. It falls on January 1st. I don't anticipate any applications that in front of you on January 1st and that needs to be heard. So I would recommend you to cancel the January 1st meeting um and we can resume in February if needed. Do you have to have a motion for that? Yes. I motion we cancel the January 1st, 2026 planning comm. All in favor? I I

Okay, since I skipped over two items, any comments from the commissioners? No. Um, no. I was just thinking do when is the next like when do when is the next election for because this this will this project will actually probably take us through possibly changes with council members right even terms on the planning commission I don't know who's up next or anything but yeah we have to look into our planning commissioners terms but you all a lot of you have different term expiration date

so Um, I can probably send the information out later to you all after I confirm. Um, but if you're asking about the city council and mayor election, not the mayor election, the city council, I think it's April for um, next year. This this next year already. This next year there's Okay, Megan, super awesome. Just checked. Everybody on our current planning commission are at least through 2027. So you all will be the ones hearing a final document. My reign of terror continues unless anything happens. No, I cannot control. Oh, let's hope not. Anybody moves?

Yes. I hope not. All right. Anybody else? All righty. Uh we once again move to adjurnn. Move to adjurnn. Any second? All in favor? I