Historic and Architectural Preservation Board - Regular Meeting

All right. Seeing that it's 09:00, we'll go ahead and open the Historic and Architectural Preservation Board, 11/13/2025. We'll start off with a consensus. John Stecetti is not able to attend today. If we can have a Board approval of his absence, excused absence. All in favor? Opposed? No. All right. And then

chair I just need to do the rest of the roll call.

Okay.

Chair Beebe?

Yes.

Ms. Trammell? Present. Green? Here. Mr. Barrack? Here.

Thank you. All right, we'll move on to approval of the minutes. Before you have the minutes of the previous meeting, if you would review that, let me know if there's any changes, or we'll accept a motion. Greg moves to approve and second. Do have a second? Second. Ruth Ann Derryberry approves a second. All in favor?

Aye.

Opposed? All right. Approval of the minutes. Do you have any general audience participation signed

No, we do not.

All right. Great. Thank you. All right. We'll go ahead and move to the public hearing.

This is a continuation from September 25 and October 9 for our proposed new three storey mixed use building in the Venetian Theme Architectural Control District. It's PLAR25-one Hundred 93 at 256 Nokomis Avenue South. Our staff planner is Britney Smith. And I just want to let you know that this is a quasi judicial hearing, and it has been properly advertised. This is to certify the public hearing for this petition was appropriately advertised on 09/06/2025, as required by the City of Venice Land Development Code.

Proof of publication is on file in the planning and zoning office. All right. We'll go ahead and continue this public hearing. Mr. Lewis?

Yes.

Since the last meeting has I want to confirm that has anyone come across a conflict of interest with hearing this application since the last hearing. Please let the record reflect that there is no conflict of interest. And since this last hearing, has anyone on this board had any ex parte communication regarding this application? No. Please let the record reflect that the Board has indicated that there has been no ex parte communication.

All right. At this time we'll have our planner, Ms. Smith.

Morning, So for the record, Britney Smith, planner for the City Of Venice. I have filled out a speaker's card. So I don't have a presentation for you this morning, just more of an update and a clarification on one of the action items from the last meeting that the applicant was asked to provide. So I'm going to briefly put it up on the overhead but I did share it as an attachment on the agenda. Okay, so the second item here was for the 10% secondary materials.

However, how the code reads, it says that the 10% a maximum of 10% of wall area of the front elevation can be, which makes it a not mandatory application so we can't require the applicant to do that. So I just wanted to clarify that before you looked at what he submitted that if you don't see that there it's not written in the code in such a way that we can make the applicant do that.

Okay. I mean 90, it says clearly 90% must be stucco.

So it says 90% of the wall area will be stucco but then it says a maximum of 10% can be.

Another material? Okay. Okay. That's unfortunate. All right. Any questions right now for Ms. Smith? Okay. All right. Thank you very much.

You're welcome. Appreciate that. All right. At this time, we'll have request that the applicant, represent his project. Good morning.

So that's color samples for building. Main color gonna be like off white basically, then little bit gray color is going to be like dark, 25% and the molding is going to be pure white. So that's a color. And about 10%, we just chose too little amount of use some in other material. It's nowhere we're going to put it some little, for example, certain material like stone or something.

It's very little percentage, I can't use certain materials. That was the reason why we can't add another like facade material. However, from last meeting we changed things, we sacrificed square footage. We pushed inside the balconies. So it gives us more the dimensional look that's what was we discussed last meeting.

Offsetting planes.

Basically, I pushed Balkans back. Right. Yes, we just had a little bit roof like from the library size, push roof a little bit up. We add carvings, carvings on top of the roof, so it gives us more elements than it was before. Any questions or any suggestions? I'm ready to answer.

Included in the application materials for the third submission is a list of changes that you made. So I'm assuming Board members had a chance to look at those. With regard to massing and the color changes and the use of pulling back the there's also a significant change at the entry on the Comus with the smaller, lower scale entry. Is it Becca? Yes, sir.

Okay. Just to clarify, what appears you'd appear to have done mostly with the massing, specifically massing. Because that was a big concern of mine. It's still fairly blocky. But by pulling back the balconies, you did reduce by the requirements of the guidelines pulling back the balconies and you're adding roofs at the balcony level, right? Is that so all four corners of the building did that?

All four corners, yes.

And then a revised entry in the center Yes. On There's a couple questions I have. If I look at the two d elevation, just the the flush elevations. At the top of the parapets, the straight the straight parapets, not not the roofed areas, not the slope roofed areas, but the two areas units that could go up to an arch top it meets the sky. There's a molding shown on all of the drawings.

And I just But maybe think of this as looking at the the three d elevation. Not not so much the two d, some of the two d where we have shade and shadow. You can see you can see a, you know, shadow line under that. Is there a molding that that is clarified at part of your details that depicts that molding? Staco molding.

I guess the question is if we go to the last sheet, A6.1, we might want to

This

is a detail where you've provided the different molding sizes or the different

Different molding

sizes, yes.

Yeah. The different shapes, actual profiles of the moldings. And I just wanted to know on the top, it's shown in the renderings where you have a shadow line where it meets the sky, which is important. I I like what you've done there, but I don't see which molding that is. The one at the new entrance is noted as molding four.

Then you have the corbel detail. It says roof eave molding. Is that is that the molding?

Let me see.

The first one.

We're trying to open up the plan set.

Oh, okay. I'm sorry. I'm jumping into something. In a similar way, at the story bands, the bands at each story

Yeah.

There's a molding.

There's molding.

But I didn't see that. Am I Is that I don't see where that is either.

You mean detail or molding detail? Well, just

the is looking to approve or not. But we have to have a detailed saying what that will be.

It's like the bracket is what you're talking about, right?

Yes. I'm talking about at the arch top at the top. Let's just take the rear west elevation in two d. At the top of the There's two arches in the in that plane of the wall. At the top of the parapet, there's a molding that's a significant molding that gives a nice shadow line instead of just a flat. So you're seeing it on the in the two d elevation, but I don't see the corresponding profile that you plan to put there. So maybe it's just missing. I don't know. Do you see what I mean?

We have molding details right there in page a six one.

Six six one, right.

Right. So this molding gonna go top of this top of that wall on sky, sky wall on top. Right. And then we're gonna have another bend between flooring. So that's basically it's a foam stack of molding. It's a lot heavy. That's the details right here like carving details and roof eave molding detail.

Okay. That was my question. Number one, roof eave molding detail. Is that the one that topped with the arches as well?

Top of the arches is exactly it's not form. It's going be stack of molding which is next to number three detail. That's how it's gonna go around windows. That's the question you asked me?

A little bit. The four inch stucco molding trim number four. Or number three and four, there's two of them.

Yes. It goes around windows or square window and around arch window. It's going to be it's made with stucco. But big moldings, you're going to make with stucco, it's going be too heavy. So we're making foam stucco moldings, basically foam like covered with Okay.

That I understand that. I'm just wondering which profile is the one at the top, at the very top of the building.

Number one.

Number one.

Number one.

Okay. So I just didn't see that. It's more of a significant molding and it comes out farther. It's gonna leave a better shadow line.

Number one.

That's that was my question. So number one, the roof eave molding is that at the top of all the parapets that are vertical? Yes, sir. Okay. Thank you. And then the story band molding, I don't see that on here at all, but I don't know whether it's it looks like it has a profile at the top and the bottom and then it's flat in between.

And also number one going to go between stores. Store molding going to be also like same profile like as number one molding. Also foam molding, it's going to be one foot molding. So it's going to be foam molding, as top of the roof.

Okay. So that's more I thought maybe it was He's got a detail on Did I miss it?

On ace a four. He's he's only calling out one elevations with the molding trims reference back to the detail sheet.

I got it. Okay. Okay. You know these details, I'm not trying to be

Sure, sure. It makes

a big difference on how this building looks.

Yes, the details making big difference. That's right.

It does. I have another question with regard to the south elevation. Okay. The south elevation facing the library. In the center of the building, you've offset the planes by pulling back the balconies on both ends, pulling back a section in the in the middle.

Right.

There's there's two things there. It goes back about 16 inches.

Correct. Yeah.

Is that about, that's not a, it's a French

balcony, it's not balcony basically. It's just detail for decoration detail that you mentioned on the site. It's not balcony.

Okay. This is just the center roof.

Right.

The center roof is at the same elevation as the porch roofs. Basically, it cuts over the top of the parapet.

Top of the parapet, yes. It comes up.

If we go if we go to the two d elevations, it it just kind of It hangs off the building. Right? Right. It's attached. And if I go to the three d elevation or the three d drawing.

Right. It's the bottom.

It's all the way at the bottom.

Yes. It's thick

It gives us a perspective of what it would be like to be a pedestrian on the street level looking up. And I think the balconies on the corners look appropriate We placed, but that one is just kind of hanging there and you you don't get a sense of from a three d perspective, you don't really see that that roof at all. Did you consider at all dropping that roof down a little bit to it's just covering the opening. I don't know if that it feels like it's hanging there so without

It's it's it's it's going inside. If you're gonna take a look at roof plan, it goes kind of

It goes over the top

of Over the top of this, it's kind of breaking inside the roof.

I guess where you have your parapet line coming to the eave line on the corners in the middle you didn't choose to do that. I think it might improve to match that same detail in the middle as you have on the corner.

Coral is more prominent.

I was just thinking if it pulled down and just died into the wall, it might You know, it's not It's another element that draws your eye up and it's already three stories. So

Sure. I mean, I

don't I don't know. I mean, it's it's This is a design preference. So there's nothing in here. But from a VHP of this Venice historic precedent standpoint, it's an odd condition. It's not normal. It typically would go into the wall or above. You've chosen above, but it might help to break the facade up a little better, show more of the roof tile from a pedestrian level. We're looking up at 40 feet of building. And if that were pulled down, it might give it some a little lower scale. That's all I was suggesting.

John, do you think you understand what I'm Yeah. Okay. I mean Yeah,

it's either you tack it on and the building goes above and beyond the the ridge of this tack on. Sure. Or you raise it up and have the have the parapet dive into

Diving into. Yeah. It might

be an easier detail too. It's easier

for for like it's gonna be easier. Right.

I mean, it's just less chance for Yes. And just going around that. I just feel like it it doesn't harm what you're trying to do. In fact, I think it helps it because as a pedestrian, you're seeing more roof tile at the top, just the side of it.

What I try to do is like it gives more dimensions that's why I pull this front,

I No. Can push I'm not suggesting you push back.

No, I I mean it's a If it's If that style more works for city, that's why I'm I'm trying to like, you know

think if if it pulled down the ridge Yes. To to still hit the side of the wall, maybe bring it out more. But you might need brackets or something to hold it. Do you see what I'm saying? You might need a bracket detail Yeah. Which which would be interesting and and add some character to it. It's it's an unusual condition. It's facing the library. It's very visible. So you might use a bracket there if if it if it had to extend to get the ridge on the wall.

Sure. I'm I'm not trying to talk too much to it. Just I'm just looking at Venice historic precedence. This is an unusual condition. The rest of it is more typical.

So the bands at the story bands are a combination of two Two moldings. Of the moldings with stucco pulling out.

Yes, sir.

Okay, thank you.

Just a clarification, so the south elevation that's rendered the north or the south. From library size? East column, the two columns for the balcony align and then the parking column is offset in the elevations but in your rendered elevations but in your actual elevations that column is aligned all the way down. I just want to make sure it's gonna be like your hand drawn.

Hand, like you, it's we have to follow plans not render. Plans is more correct in rendering. Rendering a little bit off. Whatever, like, let's be

Let's be a four asking? A four south elevation. Yes. Those columns of the two balconies on the 2nd And 3rd Floor are aligned. And then when you get to the parking level, it's aligned vertically as well. You

go Oh, to your I'm sorry. This is missed.

When you get to your renderings

No. This is mistake right here, we forgot to push You push it to the Columns push Yeah, because right now it's all lined up, but it's not gonna be lined up. This is my mistake. Like columns we push right now, bulkers we pushed inside, right? So columns with it like it's supposed to support like roof.

So right now it's lined up on this elevation, south side elevation, but in this case three d is more correct because that's how we push pushing balconies inside 18 inch. Where when we push balconies inside, need support for and that columns goes with it. So column gonna be inside of drawings of a building. Three d is correct. I know three d elevation is correct, like three d elevation.

Three d elevation.

Yeah. Two

d elevation is correct.

Yeah, because of the, it's not gonna match. If we push inside balconies, there are no way you're gonna match Right. Downstairs columns to upstairs columns. So that's that's that's that's you know we change so many times, we forgot to move inside the main elevations.

So on the corners of the building, the columns will align all the way up.

Best best example gonna be like north elevation for if you can go back to north elevation down, north elevation, it shows, that's how it's going to be, like it's showing side. So one column basically 1st Floor column stands out and like second and third one is on inside. If you're going to see north elevation. Bottom, last elevation before details. A on A5. A5.

A five north side elevation, they all align.

2nd Floor and 3rd Floor, it's it's

Oh, I'm sorry.

And the 1st Floor is off. That's edge. That's the way it is going to be. That's the way we designed. Because we pushed parking inside, we need support like that. And 2nd Floor. I see.

That's structural a issue. Okay. In a similar way, the south side elevation that faces the library. The block of four windows with the arch top just in from the the coma side. The column doesn't hit the corner.

I don't know. That's a structural question. It's in about five feet, six feet.

Do you see what I'm saying? Which windows, I'm sorry.

Okay. The block of four windows with the arch top element.

Yes. The

the right column as you're looking at it is in from the edge about five or six feet. Do you see that?

Under the center

window? It's directly under the window and centered on the lower windows. I think you see it right here.

South Far East line of windows. No, to the right.

Yes. I mean typically that would be on the edge of the yes. Right. Unless he could move it and move the handicap to the other side maybe. You can't get around.

Yeah. I see what you're saying. You'd like to remove that column altogether if you can

do it with structure. Really don't like it, but I don't have choice in with my experience with structural engineering. There may be gonna be no way to hold all these building without support this town right here. Needs that much or it should be like a huge beam, like probably, I know maybe. So that's gonna hit already inside. It really depends structural engineering out. If I move, remove or if it stays right here, we need support. That's why it is right here.

Okay, thank you. All right. And we addressed that these are the colors. Yes.

It's off color, off white. Basically, we want to go Basically we wanna go as light as possible because of its big building. So if you're gonna use dark colors,

it's gonna be like,

the library colors gonna match, it's like once we write library color gonna be very close to, it's off white basically, that's what it is. Library also off white, it's more white. Uh-huh. But that side, if we use dark color right here, it's getting too It's not probably kind of first building you're going to see on the street there, plus it's big.

Right. I agree with you.

So that's why we choose as light as possible.

And Becca, as far as the roof tile, I might have missed it. The type of tile that you're proposing. Yes

sir. It's

a Color.

It's metal coating. Like it's almost like clay tile but it's metal.

Oh, it's the manufacturer. Yes. I can

bring samples. I just left my car.

Oh, Spanish red, I think we've seen that before.

But it's like metal roof, coating

with like The coating is

It looks like exactly clay tile, but it gives you more light weight. So that's why we're choosing that to use it. And also we change a trash enclosure if Yes. We talked about last time about trash enclosure and we changed it. So there is details of trash enclosure in my drawings. I

think we saw that.

We changed to stucco basically it was vinyl before. So we did stucco walls and roof same as

Same roof.

Same roof as it is.

If I understand correctly that those are rollout cans. Rollout cans. Can't use the city equipment. No,

it's rollout regular trash cans, but it's because there is mixed use, offices needs the trash cans on that alley. Whoever going to be on office offices like, professional offices, they have to have trash cans by city code. So they have to keep some of the trash cans. I really didn't want to do, but because of residential they have garages, they own trash cans, so they pulling out from garages. But commercial, they don't have, so they have to have some space to keep that trash So that's why we did whatever we did.

Right. I understand. And then use the alley. I don't know if that's an alley or

Yeah. No. When trash day comes, office is gonna come out, take out these trash cans and put on the street. That's basically what it is. Okay.

The the drawings but just understand that that profile needs to be deep so it is corresponding to what we

recorded. Oh yes, it's dimensional. It's like regular tile, like regular clay tile, but it's just metal basically. I can bring samples if you like to. Have it right here. No,

I think the guidance is clear as far as a requirement because this would be I guess essentially a design alternate because it's not per, it's not clay terracotta or clay tiles. So you're proposing a design alternate to use a similar appearing Yes, tile that is sir. So but again regarding the profile just needs to be we can't really tell the profile by what you provided in the submittal. We're seeing it but we can't really see it from an elevation standpoint of how deep that is.

Same as clay like three.

Yeah I know what you're saying it's just we just need to make sure that.

Maybe you could submit the sample that you have with staff.

No, no,

I don't think

you needed it now.

No, but just you know.

Sure. Just

make sure that they have record of it

so that our approval. It's approved by Citi, why call when we checked it. That's what it is. But yes, okay. We're to make sure that it's recording for city. Well,

looks like Mr. Clark would like to chime in on this one.

For the record, Roger Clark, Planning and Zoning Director. If he's got his roof tile here, can we take a break for a minute and let him go get it and then bring it in. I'd rather have you see it today to see if it's appropriate.

I'm sorry, just forgot. I was trying to bring with this but I completely split it.

Sure, that's fine. You have it. That's fine. Five minute break. Two break. Two minutes break. All right.

Sir, hold on, have to bring the board back into session.

All right, we'll go ahead and resume our meeting.

And

the ends would be the same material finish for the simulated bird holes? Yes. On the Yes.

It's white. You mean covered?

Yes. On the side, yeah.

Yes. It comes with any color, even white or you can paint same color, any color but it's gonna be white because of, you're gonna be white and color is gonna be dark. So it looks much better, my opinion.

Thank you. Appreciate you going back out to get this. You're out of breath.

That detail is flushed so that the end of the metal

It's flushed exactly on the

edge of the Yes, sir. Okay.

All right.

Just this is a minor I see what you're doing there. Never mind. All right. Any other questions for the applicant here? Board? No. No? All right. Any questions for staff at this time? It looks like Ms. Smith is coming up.

So as an overview, I think I just need some clarification on exactly what you would need to be changed if anything. And then if you are okay with the roof tile that the applicant just showed you.

Okay. I think as far as the roof tile goes, the Board is a consensus that, that was acceptable at the sample that we received saw?

It's fine.

Anyone object?

Would the motion need to state that it's a design alternate that

I don't believe that that metal coated roof, that's unacceptable. That is unacceptable. Materials

and then it's then we have another line that says design alternate and it's basically

It's just a design alternate. It's not a design alternative, so it wouldn't need anything different to use that material.

As long as long as it be it can be a composite or an alternative roofing materials that are substantially similar to clay, terracotta and concrete roof tiles in appearance and profile. So as long as that's appearance and profile, we don't need any sort of

additional motions or anything like that.

So I make sure we get the motion right.

Yes. At this time, I think the only thing that I heard, Britney was the applicant is considering or is going to consider dropping the center roof on the south side, lowering it, and potentially adding brackets to support it if they need to go farther out. Am I okay. The applicants indicated, yes, that's correct. To lower that center roof a little closer to the opening to see a little bit more visibility of that tile.

And

Roger, correct me if

I'm wrong, I don't think that's a requirement

per the code. So we can't

make that a condition or require that but it's option as long as it meets the code, can do it if he wants.

Yeah, think the suggestions that you're making, that's what we want to know. You're making suggestions but you're making them and relating it to the holistic VHP. Correct. Architectural style, I understand that. There are no code requirements, I don't think that are specific to what you're saying that, but you're looking at it in a holistic way as to meet the VHP criteria.

So but we would just want to be clear because you'll need to decide whether he needs to come back or whether you believe staff can do this. But I would like to on the drawings on the elevations, make sure that let us point out where you're talking about and clarify and make sure we understand exactly what you're looking at. She's got the south side elevation up. What area are you talking about? You're talking about the middle tile roof area to bring down?

Yes. Roof, fascia, and corbels

Okay.

On the center of the south elevation. And it is, in my opinion, a recommendation, not a requirement. The applicant has said that they would I think it's a better could be a better detail for them for project and he agrees.

What would the alignment be horizontally? How far is it coming down?

I don't have dimensions, but approximately Are you trying

to align it with something else on that horizontal No.

It may end up not. It's a pure aesthetic issue. Okay. It's not. There's no. So

if he does that, great. If he doesn't, you're okay with it?

Yes.

Okay.

If he can't make it work, I think he understands clearly what we're trying to do. Okay. And it breaks up the elevation. And I think adding brackets in that case, again, not a requirement but it may be a structural thing to support it.

Then you had some issues with column alignment. Can we stay on this same elevation, the I South

think the plans are correct. There may be some, well there, this case I think there was

So you're looking at the columns at the corner here on the right end of the building in this elevation that are, don't Well, go

think that's how they showed it on the two d.

I know that this two d here is wrong, is that what we're saying? Okay, so go back up to the line drawings, those are correct?

No, that's incorrect. That's incorrect? The rendered is correct.

In this case, yeah.

Which column are we, I know you had issues with both column at the end of the building and also to the left of that.

So A four South elevation line drawing is incorrect. Okay. According to the applicant.

Okay. So which is the correct?

South elevation on shown A5.1 is correct according to the intent of this structural intent by concept only.

Yes.

So Roger, it's like so these columns we moved inside. So basically these columns we moved inside.

Okay.

So on plans, we forgot to change it. That's what happened. So this is goes inside, so that's the correct version because we pushed back on the inside, so that columns goes inside.

Okay.

So that's basically it's like just technical, we just forgot to move So the high puddle

that corner columns can be further out than the balconies above.

Right.

So first like this Ground Floor column, first Floor columns it's out and second and third floor column it's in. That's a correction for that.

Okay. So this east elevation is correct on 5.1. Okay. The roof tile, you're good with the profile of that tile?

Yes. Yes, think it'll be fun.

It's close enough. Not as great. Real tile but hole up in a storm. Within modern times. Know.

Was there anything else?

I don't think so.

Don't think so. There's the clarification that the the top molding where the arches of the parapet meet the sky is detail one. Okay. Confirmed, Lisa. Confirmed. Detail one. It's a bigger deeper molding. It's going to leave a more shadow line. I just didn't see where that was. Maybe I missed it.

That's very visible though.

Okay. Bakar, are you in agreement with these four items? You're Okay.

All right.

Thanks,

Roger. Then Thank we would need to know make sure that the Board in your motion is confident that staff can review that and if we have any issue, we will bring Mark, the Chairman So make that part of your

motion. Okay. All right. Anything further? All right, we'll go ahead and close the public hearing.

Chair just for the record I need to know there was no public comment on this item.

Okay. All right. Any public comment on this particular item in the audience? No one signed up for speaker cards? Okay. Seeing none, now we'll close the public hearing and we can discuss or I think we've gone through this pretty well. If someone would like to make a motion with regard to I this

motion to make a motion to approve. Based on the presentation, the Historic and Architectural Preservation Board moves to approve application number PLR25193. And if there are any issues that come up, Roger can handle it with Mark.

So the motion would be any further design issues can be handled at the staff level with consultation by the Board Chair?

Correct. Thank you.

Do we have a second?

I'll second. All right,

let's do a roll call vote. Mr. Barrick seconds.

Mr. Watkins?

Yes.

Ms. Trammell? Ms. Trammell? Yes. Mr. Barrack?

Yes.

Miss Derryberry? Yes. Mr. Green?

Yes.

And Chair Bibi?

Yes. All right, thank you. Fact, I just want to thank you for your perseverance. This was a three the third time. Third time is a charm. So we appreciate all of your diligence to meet the guidelines. I think what we have is a much better project that fits in the city really well. So thank you. Thanks for your efforts.

It's a beautiful building.

If there any questions, you can always call us. Thank you. All right. I don't know. I think Mr. Klinkhammer has something for us.

Good morning. For the record, Harry Klinkhammer, Historical Resources Manager for the City of Venice. I have before you today two versions of the historic preservation brochure that you saw back in August. So I took your suggestions and went to our designer and I have before you today two different versions that she has put together based on that feedback. And so I'm interested in seeing if you have any further comments or recommendation on which direction to go through so that we can go ahead and have an historic preservation brochure for the public.

Could you flip it? Sorry. Or no, just turn it the other There you go.

Oh, there we go. Alright. Much better. So this is the interior, both copies of this, the interior is pretty much the same. It's going to be the exterior of the brochure where you're going to see some variations. So what you see there will be consistent for the inside. Then there's what the outside would look like.

Looks much better.

Yeah, that's because I didn't do it. And then the other version, and again as I said, the interior is the same, it's just the exterior where you can see a little variation primarily on that first cover page of the brochure. And in fact, if you'd like, I can do that and then you can see them both together.

My preference, if you're asking, is the second one with the round.

The round? Okay.

I think you can see more with the other one, it just makes it little more distinctive. Maybe you can make it slightly larger. The oval. I like the I like the concept. So it's not cutting off the sign.

Yeah. I agree.

You know, it's cutting off the bottom of the sign. You could just slide it.

You've got lots of space of white that you can

They both look good, Harry. Okay. So whatever works. If if the other one, is not gonna make a difference for people reading this. But I do I think it looks looks nice to be something different.

Alright.

Do you want to vote on that?

No, no, I don't think you missed me

to vote

on that. I think I was just looking for comments. So what I can do then is just I can work with our designer. We can go with the round option, make that a little bit bigger and then we'll go ahead and get that ready for the public.

Sounds good.

All right. Thank you very much.

Actually, if I were to offer some advice, you're using the building types that you're showing by image. Think you're showing Nolan era type buildings.

Not necessarily. If you look here, we have the one in Edgewood which I guess technically, well, not Nolan era because it's 1930.

Okay. I guess

And then we have on this side the Eagle Point Cottage which is predates Nolan.

Right. I guess what maybe use the beach pavilion

Okay.

As one of those so that we show the range of mid century in there as well.

I can do that.

It's just a suggestion.

Yeah. Yeah. That's a good one. It shows more variety.

And just to be clear, when you enlarge the oval, it's not just making the same picture bigger. It's making including more background.

Right, right. You

could slide the text down a little bit.

Where will these be located?

So we could distribute these obviously at the museum. We can probably have them out on display with the Lord Heidelhaus when it opens. We'll have them at City Hall. We'll take them with when we go out to events. We will have various different means of getting this distributed out to the public.

Heigl House would be great, coffee shop. It does. Brochure, I can see people picking one of those up and having a cup of coffee. Fantastic job on that.

Yeah, that's going to work great. All right.

All right. If there are no other comments, then thank you very much for your input and I'll go ahead and work with the designer to finalize all of this and we should have this out before the end of the year.

Great. Sounds wonderful. Any other comments for Harry? Just

see about maybe suggestion to justify the text in the document.

Okay.

You want it justified centered because it's to the left right now.

Right. Justify it centers in the word and the limits of the It looks more balanced. Okay. Just the suggestion.

Yes, I'll see what the pros say.

Sounds good. All right, thank you very much, Harry. Thank

you. Appreciate all you do. One other item I'd like to just briefly discuss and that is one of our goals for this Board for the year is to update our color palette for our guidelines. I think we are way woefully outdated and seeing things that are coming through where people are and encourage that, encourage people to bring colors that they would like to propose. But certainly the whites and lights just more common now than ever.

They were more original to 1926 anyway. So we've vacillated, but I really feel like we need to get that going. I'm hoping to have Sherwin Williams, Beth has agreed to do that, pull together a system of new colors. And I'm hoping to have something by next meeting, which would be a month from now. So I just if any thoughts that you have about that, colors that you feel like we should be incorporating, we should do.

But we need to update that. Every time an applicant comes by, they said, well, it was in the approved colors. And some of them, it's just like anything, it changes over time. Those were probably done fifteen years ago, maybe to fourteen, but it's a long time. So every ten years, every eight years, you need to start thinking about that again, and I think we're ready for that.

So that is something that I'm probably going to bring to the Board as soon as we can get it together. And hopefully, it's simple. But again, I like to encourage people to bring colors that they feel are appropriate that meet that FHP, and we can make the decision, but it's not going to be crazy, but it's definitely going to be a change. We've had a bunch of applicants ask over the past months to change colors, which is kind of typical. Anyway, just wanted to let you update you on that. Anything else today?

Yes. Chair Bee, you guys still have one more item on your agenda, 20 Did five-four

I miss that? 20 five-four 13.

The request to purchase request funds for purchase of a local designation plaque for the Nassau House.

Oh gosh. I'm sorry I missed that. All right. Harry, could we go ahead and have a staff presentation on that.

Absolutely. So one of the benefits that we provide properties that go on our local register is that we go ahead and purchase a local register designation plaque for the home. Unlike the National Register Program where the property owners are well, not required, but if they want one, they have to purchase one themselves. So in order to cover the cost for that, we have been using funds from the city's Centennial account. These are funds left over from the nineteen eighty eight Centennial celebration as opposed to the twenty twenty six centennial celebration we're about to start.

But according to the city code, the Historic and Architectural Preservation Board is authorized to approve expenditures from the interest in that fund for historic preservation projects. So I am before you today requesting funds for purchase of a local register plaque. It's gonna be about $635. And this will be for the property at 500 Nassau Street South that we just designated. Rather than going with the intriguing not the Prentiss French House, the property owners have chosen to go with the Nassau House for the name of the property.

So that's what will be going on the plaque. So I am just seeking approval from this board to use the funds in the centennial account to purchase the plaque. Okay.

Do you have area of these wooden plaques or bronze plaques?

These are bronze.

Bronze, do you have a sample or a diagram of it or anything?

I'm sorry, do I have a sample of one? Is that what you were asking?

Or diagram of it or picture of it?

I do not have one with me, but we have a standard template that we use. I can definitely get that to you. But it's think nine by 14, it should say on the invoice on there the size. And it just says that this property or it will give the year it was built and the name of the property says this property is listed in the local register of historic resources approved by city council and then it gives the year that it was approved.

And it's rectangular. Pardon? It's rectangular. Yeah, I believe

it's nine by 14.

Okay. Says 14 by 12.

Oh, 14 by 12, okay.

Yeah. Okay. You. Okay. And

it has just one simple border around it.

The Nassau House. Yeah. 500 Nassau.

Yeah. Well we're just gonna have the Nassau House on it.

Okay. Alright. Does it have reference to historic register on the plaque?

So yeah, it will say this property is listed in the local register of historical resources and then it will say approved by city council and in this case it will say 2025 because that's when that was added to the register.

All in favor of doing this? We'll need a real motion. Okay. Will have a motion for expending Can

I have it?

Oh, yes.

I will make it if I can read it. Okay. I move to approve use of funds for purchase of a local designation plaque for the Nassau House.

I second.

Am sorry.

Greg seconds. All right. All in favor? Aye. Opposed? You have your phones.

Thank you very much. And if you all are interested, I can definitely send you the rendering for this plaque so you can see what it looks like. And again, it's a standard template that we'd set up with the manufacturer that it's all the plaques and all the buildings on the local register have the same plaque.

Question, do we get new funds for the twenty twenty six Centennial?

So for the twenty twenty six Centennial, yes, there are city council has budgeted and authorized funds for various activities and budget requests that came from staff regarding activities that will be taking place in 2026. So yes, so starting on October 1, we do have I believe for this year it's about 150,000 or $125,000 for various activities.

Okay. Great.

So

what's the balance in the previous Centennial fund so we know how many more of these designations we can do?

So last I checked, first of all, every year I have to estimate how many plaques we might do because I need to budget for that. So in the budget request that's been approved, it's just that the funding then expenditure of the funds needs to be approved by this Board. But as far as the fund balance goes, last I checked, was a couple of weeks ago, the funds are about $6,061,000 dollars The principal is and keep in mind the principal is $50,000 and tapping into that does require City Council approval. This board only has the approval to tap into the interest.

What's the interest on that per year yield?

That is a finance question because they handle the investment of that fund. So the return on investment every year for that year obviously varies with the market.

Okay. All right. Anything else for Harry?

But we have room to do a lot more plaques basically.

And I also might add to that, that is also the fund that we tap into for another benefit we provide local registered property owners and that's refunding them for fees, permit fees. So we also I budgeted for that guesstimating on what we might expend for a year. So funds from that come out of there as well. Okay.

All right, Mr. Clark. Thank you, Mr.

Chair. Just a couple of things I wanted to let you know, we do have a meeting scheduled. We have an application on the agenda for the next meeting, which is December 11. So plan on that. As Harry mentioned and you've been talking about the Centennial, you've seen a lot of signs of the logo around City Hall and various other facilities in the city.

Those have been being actively put up and you'll be seeing that logo an awful lot coming up. Obviously the official kickoff for the Centennial celebration is the Christmas parade coming up which is the Saturday after Thanksgiving. So we're all pretty excited about that and it's going to be a really fun year and a half to celebrate the city's Centennial. So the other thing is you see Heigl House is coming around the coffee folks that are going to be operating there which is just a great thing for the city that we have somebody to keep an eye on that structure and make sure it's open and those kind of things. They are moving forward, they put a lot of funds into that property and I think they're hoping to open sometime maybe this week.

Really? So keep an eye on that. They've been doing an awful lot of work in there and Harry's and John have been getting the displays ready to go up in there and that's a really exciting thing. It's gonna be a great it's gonna be great to have a functional piece of history there, you know, that people will be drawn to. So that's really exciting to see what's going on over there. Other than that, that's all I have.

Okay.

I just have a few additional items. Just to let you all know that after two years of hurricane shenanigans, we are bringing back the Holiday Open House at Venice Museum on December 13 from five to seven. We also will have music in the gazebo in West Waylock Park. We'll have craft activities going on as well. We'll be doing a clothing drive for the twig.

And so and we'll be working too with VAVI even though the lights will be going up earlier this year. We are going to still do a lighting on that evening as well. I hope you can On December 13? Yes, correct. On the thirteenth from 5PM to 7PM.

So we'll also have a couple of I will have one or two of our authors of some of the recent books that have been coming out on Venice history there as well for some signings. So I hope you can find time in your calendar to come to the event. And then finally, without spoiling the announcement that's taking place this afternoon, I will report that when the Sarasota six to save announcement is made for this year, we will have no properties in Venice on the list. So the Six to Save program is kind of like the Florida Trust, 11 to Save, the National Trust, 11 to Save, listing historic properties that are at some kind of risk. And so the announcement is happening this afternoon, but I will spoil it a little by saying there will be no Venice properties on it.

Okay, great. News. Thank you for that update. I wouldn't have known about that one. Alright. Anything else for the staff at all?

Whatever happened to the lighting of Blaylock Park at Christmas? They stopped that last year. Is that coming back?

Yeah. That's part of the discussion I was talking about. So Vabbi is going to be doing the tree lighting again this year. They are however changing the date that they are going to be doing the lighting. In the past, it's always been the second Saturday of the month of December, but they feel like that's too short of a window for the lights to be on. So they have moved it up to, I think it's going to be the night of the parade that they will be putting the lights on.

That historically has been done by individuals sponsoring different trees. Is that gone and just Babby is doing the whole thing?

No, no. I mean Babby oversees it but it's still going to be the same. It's going be trees that are sponsored in groups that come in and do the decoration. It's just Babby's the group that kind of oversees it and they're going be continuing that this year. However, they just they weren't interested in doing like in a tree lighting event on that second Saturday with entertainment So and all that we took that on over at historical resources.

That's a special part

of the holidays in Venice. So it's going to be after the parade or before the parade?

I don't know the exact details because I've been focusing more on December 13. But I believe their plan is to turn the lights on on the twenty ninth.

Okay. All right. Anything else? Okay. If not, then the meeting is adjourned.