Parks and Recreation Committee - Regular Meeting

Welcome. I would like to call um to order the May 1st, 2000 May 5th May 5th. Oh, de Mayo. May 5th, 2025 park board meeting. Let's all rise for the pledge of allegiance. She did really one nation under God, indivisible, justice for all. And now we have roll call. Gary Johnson, present. Kathy Stee, Mary Heinman, present. Jennifer Mueller, present. Thomas Byron, present. Mike Abbott, present. Jay Arens, present. We have seven for the quorum. All right. If everyone will take a look over first over the workshop minutes from April 7th. Oh, we also have Alderman Ron Herrell in the audience and Deb Abbott from our planning and zoning commission and Sergeant Fingers in the back. Do we have a motion to accept the minutes from the April 7th workshop? I'll motion to accept. I'll second. All in favor say I. I. I. I. I. We also have minutes from the April 7th meeting minutes.

Nobody has any changes or alterations. I make a motion accept them as presented. Second. All in favor say I. I. I. Do we have any public comments tonight? I do not. Um I'm going to ask if we can entertain a motion to move the new business um which is going to be our vendor presentations in front of the old business. I'll make the motion for that to happen. I second it. All in favor say I. I. I. So, tonight we're going to have presentations and consideration of the proposals um received for a new playground in Budwe Memorial Park. And Nikki had sent out a memo and we have presentations from five different vendors. We will allow each vendor to come in and give a presentation to the committee. And at that time then you can ask any questions you may have um from each of the vendors. Um tonight we would like to narrow down the selections to possibly three vendors to forward to or or three selections to forward to the board of alderman. Um they're placed in alphabetical order so they're not in any particular order. And we would be starting with AB creative.

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Yeah. One, two, three. Yeah, I see it. I see it now. Yeah. Yeah. All right, great. Everybody can hear me then? Excellent. Um, so first I just want to thank you all for the opportunity to be here tonight to present our designs and show you how hard we've worked to bring your vision at least somewhat to life so far um in our designs. Uh we know that this is an important project for the city and for the surrounding community. Uh and and we really took that into consideration when we went through the designs. Um when when we had our pre-bid meeting, uh Dan was talking about how this will be the first park or first playground um kind of on this side of the city and the and the citizens have been really demanding that and and hoping for that for a long time. Uh and so we wanted to bring something that was unique and different uh to the table. And so you can see by all three of our designs um not only do we think that they are unique from our competition uh but they are unique amongst themselves. So not one design is the same as the other. Um, so I would say, um, you know, for us at AB Creative, you guys obviously saw a lot of great designs out there. Um, there's

a lot of really cool playgrounds, uh, a lot of cool pieces, and everything looks really fun. The kids obviously had a really hard time trying to make their decision on what they liked. Uh, but I think the most important thing when it comes down to it is who is going to be easy to work with and who's going to deliver on what they say. Uh, AB Creative has been in business for over 30 years. We have multiple playgrounds around the area. You can see um from our proposal in um in our references that we've done a lot of local parks uh to you know big giant parks to small pocket parks and all of them have turned out really well uh and people enjoy working with us uh for a number of reasons. One of those reasons is that we have our own in-house design team and that comes into play when you look at the different designs. Okay? And so when you look at the different options that we present and you like different parts of those options, our in-house design team can very easily combine those options and make it into one. we can bring our design team to you and decide exactly what it is that you want in your playground. That's separate from a lot of other folks. Um some some people have manufacturing design. Uh some people have designers that work as sales reps as well. Uh our design team works just as a design team and nothing else. That's their job. Everybody on our staff is CPSI certified, so you know that everything is going to be safe and up to code, which is extremely important when you're building a brand new playground.

Um, I also want to touch on our project management team. So, we have a dedicated project management team that starts with our director of operations, which is um kind of a new position that AB Creative uh made a little over a year ago. uh to handle all of the complications that come with bigger projects something similar to this. Uh so our director of operations handles all of the hardships that potentially would come along with this, but then we also have four or five other people dedicated direct to project management along the way. So it's not just one person who gets to work with you and help bring your vision to life. It's an entire group and team of people who you will have access to from the start all the way through to ribbon cutting on opening day. Okay. Um and uh just for um kind of the last thing is those those sheets that I gave to you uh are there for not only your reference but to help with community as well. um because it shows exactly what you're getting in each part of the playground. So, it calls out all the different pieces. It tells you who is responsible. On the second page, it'll tell you who is responsible for completing each part of the project. And then on the third page, it will tell you what exactly those pieces are good for during play. And so, we've laid out 14 different um play objectives that playgrounds tried to have. and we call out each number in different pieces if that makes sense. And you can kind of see it as you look on page three that says, "Hey, this piece satisfies number five, number 14, and number 11, right?" Um, and so what we try to do, what our design team does is try to make it so

that every piece or I'm sorry, every number is covered in the uh playground design so that there's nothing lacking um in the playground. Um, and so with that, I'll say that, you know, we really tried to incorporate the the spirit of the park. Um, right now as it sits, you know, it is a very nature ccentric park. It's got trails, it's got the pond, it's got, um, the old pavilion that's under refurbishment now. Um, and we wanted to stick with that theme. We wanted to bring a great playground but not have it stand out in a way that separates it from from the spirit of the park. Uh so, excuse me. And that's why all three of our designs are very natureheavy. Um, and I think I talked about this before, but again, I just want to emphasize if there's something that you like in one of the designs more than the other, you can mix and match and uh and do it that way, which is which is really cool. Um, and just on a personal note, I am from the area. I grew up in South County. Um, Fenton City Park was where I got to spend a lot of time watching my dad play softball and uh playing a little softball myself and soccer and flag football back in the day. Some people may remember that when they had flag football tournaments. Um, and uh, sand volleyball even when that was going on. Um, and so being a part of this community, I went to Lindberg High School. Uh, I I understand what it means and I'm vested personally in the uh, in the outcome of this park. And whether you guys choose AB Creative or not, uh I'm very excited for the opportunity that this presents the citizens and the community over here because I know it's

been a long time coming. So, thank you very much. Can I answer any questions? Follow up that just and especially for those that are on Zoom is that AB Creative did provide for three different options. Option one being whispering pines. These were included in your packet. Um, option one being whispering pines. Option two was the timber and tides. They have them on on the boards right here. Yes. And um option three is nestled nooks and he does have the boards in front of you. Walk up there to review those. And and I will add one more thing. Sorry. Thank you. Um but we also in our proposals we um put in a line item for landscape architecture fee because when we are going to bring an ADA ramp from the parking lot um we discussed it with our landscape architecture uh partners and they said with that will then come a redesign of the existing parking lot. So, if you have an ADA access ramp, you need to have ADA access parking lots and parking spaces and from the current layout, they said that it looks like it doesn't exist. Now, they didn't come over and walk through it, but they said, "Here's, you know, here's what it would be." So, if we get to that point where um we want to have a landscape architect walk through there and they determine that it's not necessary, then that line item could be removed from our proposal or if the city decides that they want to take it on themselves, that could be removed from our proposal as well. And that was um $30 to $40,000. So, we've we've tried to think of every

possible outcome uh for you guys so there's no surprises when when we get to opening day or groundbreaking as that as that may have. So, it looks like all of your um options run through, you know, different age groups like so toddler age all the way up to like probably through 12 or through elementary school. is in your opinion is one of these options that you have here one, two, or three is one of those do you think um the the the most accessible for um children that would the accessibility if you have if you have um children that have limited mobility. Sure. Um we we definitely thought of that in all three of the designs as you pointed out. Um, and I'll start with our surfacing aspect. We thought of that with the surfacing aspect because we put turf on all of our designs, which is uh ADA compliant um more so like it's bonus ADA compliant um which anybody with physical mobility issues um can easily roll or walk and things like that. but also with the textile or uh um uh ti tactile um you know touching and things like that it creates that sensory stimulation for some of those kids as well. Um so I I don't know that there's one design that stands out for me over the other that says this one is the ultra accessible one versus another one. Um I don't remember which order we placed them in, but I'm guessing this one is number two right here. Um so number two is uh by our partner from ID Sculpture or most of it is from ID Sculpture which is made in Colorado. Um that provides a

lot of accessibility because it's all ground level. Um you know but there does need to be some upper body strength in order to complete some of those those uh tasks if that may if that makes sense. Whereas other designs incorporate either ramps um or transfer platforms or other ground level play um whereas not everything like ID sculpture is in and of itself at the ground level if that makes sense. Does thank you. Okay. I noticed the pad size was pretty similar in all three options. Um and I noticed that all of them had that embankment slide. Correct. Um, is that embankment slide metal or is it going to be something that would not absorb the sun's heat and burn little children? Yeah. Um, so we we did it as stainless steel as metal just in the design. Um, and as part of our option as we quoted it in the proposal, your option is to change it out. And we did that because stainless steel is actually the most expensive option. Okay. Um, when when we put it together. So, we didn't want to quote you as a plastic slide and then you guys decide you want stainless steel and then, oh, hey, that's another $2,000 or whatever it is. Um, so we try to shoot high and then if you decide to make changes, okay, it'll be less expensive. Um, but yeah, that's that's always an option for you. I would say the um um the two best options in in that space would be stainless steel or the plastic. the plastic. Um I just don't know that we can get a plastic slide that that is that wide. Uh but we can we can work it. It'll be fine. 3D print something. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We'll get on it. But that that's a good question. I mean we we tried to use the topography in our design as well. Um because you

are on the side of the hill right there. Um, you know, it it there has to be a lot of demolition and and grading that that is going to have to happen. Um, and you know, we decided that using part of the hill that already exists in the design would be useful and fun for the kids as well. Any other questions? The uh the only question I really have, it's kind of a two-part question, is a what's the warranty? And have you seen in you know, you guys said you've been around for 30 years. How susceptible I'm always trying to think of everything I can. How susceptible are these to vandalism and such? Well, so the to answer your warranty question, it varies from manufacturer and and it varies on parts. So, uh, anywhere from five to basically lifetime warranty, uh, on on different things. Um, the ID sculpture one right here is going to be more of a 15-year warranty. Um, whereas some of the option three, I don't know which way that is over here. Um, so option three from Superior because there's more connecting parts to it with the screws and different things. Like you're going to have um like a three-year warranty on some of the connector pieces, but then a lifetime warranty on the posts, if that makes sense. Um, the turf underneath it comes with a 15-year warranty. Um, so that that would cover basic basically having that turf for 15 years, not getting discolored, not you know, having something bad just out of nowhere happen to it where you install it and then five years later you're like, "This is not working out well. This whole part is coming up."

It's all covered under under that kind of stuff. Um, as far as vandalism goes, uh, it just kind of depends again on which which pieces you go with. Um, our Berliner piece is um less susceptible to vandalism, not immune to it, but um because they they it's more rope ccentric. Um and so the way that Berliner makes their ropes, uh it's very technical, but they used to be an elevator company. So they have wires running through um the like little cable wires running through the rope uh in different spots and it's um it's patented. So basically you the only way to cut it is like with a chainsaw. Um so the vandalism on the ropes and things like that with Berliner is almost non-existent. Um but if you're talking about like spray paint, graffiti, uh all of those are kind of susceptible to it. Um and we do have cleaning options for you. uh you know with the ID sculpture one uh basically it's just you sand it and kind of wash it and then you know it's it's fairly easy to to get it out. Um with the other ones it it again it kind of depends on where where it occurs. Vandalism on the turf is also pretty limited. Um the turf does not uh it does not burn so you can melt it but it will not catch fire. So you cannot, you know, set a a campfire there and burn the whole thing down if that makes sense. Does that answer your question? Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. That's um that's what our design team does. Um you

know, we're we're here to make sure that you guys get exactly what you want. Um and so we look at this as the starting point and what our vision is. The ending point is going to be what you see from this, the ideas that you gather and you talk about amongst yourselves and the community and come up with with that. and we're able to, you know, we're able to complete basically any request that that you have of us. And in fact, we're we're working with the local school district right now um in in just that manner where they we had a proposal for them that won the bid and then they decided that they wanted to go change it a little bit and do something different. Um and so we're we're doing that for them. We're we're going to throw out kind of what we had originally uh and and do something completely different. Thank you. You're welcome. If there are noise components on there like the drums or whatever those, you know, different things that make noise, are they are you able to adjust the volume on there or is it just, you know, like for example at Valiant, they have the piano thing and the um So any of the um musical components are not electronic. So, you're not going to be able to adjust noise volume from that. Um, but if there is a noise concern, um, that there might be too much of something or or not enough of of one thing, that's that's an easy change. Um whether it comes from a panel um on one of the the structures that we can swap out for something else or a ground level um like bongo set, we can swap that out for um you know something that maybe is a little quieter or uh another physical um stem piece that maybe doesn't make any noise if that makes sense. Thank you. Yeah. I mean, while it's not in a residential area,

there are residents in very close proximity and sound does tend to travel. So, yeah. Thank you. No, I I hear you. I live across the street from an elementary school that has chimes and bells and things like that and it's a little eerie hearing that at 10 p.m. when you're like, "Wait a second." Well, we thank you. Thank you very much. Look forward to hearing from you all soon. Thank you. you brought Ron for this

Hi. Thank you. Thank you for your time. Um, I just want to apprec I appreciate you guys inviting me to bid in this uh art project. I know I've worked with Dan a number of times already, mostly on shelters and shades. Um this is kind of the first uh big project and playground that we've worked with uh with you guys. So anyway, just wanted to to really introduce um All- Inclusive Rec is an agency that represents Little Tikes Commercial. So you all heard of Little Tikes, I'm sure it's but it's the commercial division and we are out of Monet, Missouri. So I'm based here in St. Louis, but the uh manufacturing plant is actually down in Missouri. It's little south of Springfield. So everything is manufactured there. So any any that that makes it good for I guess any type of replacement parts that you ever need. Um so if uh do you guys have any questions right to start? Any anything particular you would want to address? Okay. Yeah. Um all I did not have that in the design that is something that we can put in there though. I mean all the designs well all the designs have no they have bud they have budget in there. Um the shade I don't believe um you know I figure with the the amount of trees

that you guys have in there it really wasn't something that was incorporated. So no I didn't have any shape. So, um, just to start out, so what I wanted to do was kind of give you guys a view of four different what we call lines of playgrounds, and they kind of have a different theme, so to speak. Um, the first one, budget, our object one, which is just a kind of our new trellics tower. It's more of a tower um, enclosure. So, the the design was developed last year. It was something brand new that they came out with. It was supposed to be a more of a a appealing, you know, a view, a high style tower that was something that um would catch the attention of of individuals like you and the kids. Now, the design itself has a couple slides. Um it does have some climbers. I would say the first um the first the design is the the the tube tower and then the the tube slide I'm sorry and then also the single slide that comes off the side. We have a play stacks climber in the front and then there's a new edge back timber climber which is kind of the more of the rustic or the woodsy look and behind that have what we call the silo climber which is a a silo net climber. So it has not only um the bars that you can climb up in the middle but you can also climb up the nets that go around the side of it. Um we have what we call an inclusive seesaw. So it has on it, but it also has a platform in the middle which is really kind of more for the kids with disabilities that they sit there and they can play at the same time. So um and just to step back I guess all the

design rubber surfacing and we did have Based on the design of cutting out the hill, we didn't want between the road and playground so that we could take that whatever came out and just put it in in front there to make that ADA accessible walkway. So that was kind of the incorporated to every single one is just again it's to keep the kids from running out right off the playground into the uh the roadways or the paths. Um option two is what we call new edge towers. The theme is kind of more of a a woodsy type um design and that's goes with We've got a again we've got a tube tower slide. Um you've got what you call the eddi. It's the seessaw again the inclusive seesaw. And the other design here is the pyramid. That's the the call it the spinning tree. But the design itself is also um event is also an inclusive design as well. It's got it's got the bottom portion where kids with disabilities can actually slide into it and then spin on it as it's going around with other kids that play around on the same playground. So, those are kind of the I know it wasn't necessarily asked to to incorporate inclusive play. You know, there's a difference between inclusive and ADA. Um I know ADA is every playground is going to be ADA

But inclusive is really more of where you have specific items and events that kids can actually play on that have disabilities where it's easier for them to get in and out of. Um so one of the other full like so the definition of a fully inclusive playground would be where you've got ramps that kids in wheelchairs can access from the bottom all the way up to the top. And that was not incorporated in here. typically that that takes up a lot more real estate. Kind of similar to the swings. The swings take up a lot of real estate. So that's the new edge tower. Um the third design is what we call play stacks. And the theme was kind of to make the playground look like something that your kids would build in the in the trees, you know, like a tree fort in the woods behind the house. So, that's kind of the design. Um, that's what they intended it to be. The one thing you will see in that design is up front on the bottom. That's called our inclusive center. And that item is unique to anyone else out there. The reason it's unique and it's a considered inclusive is that the design thinks of not only the kids themselves with disabilities, but it also thinks of caregivers. And the reason or the the meaning behind that is you'll see that the seats are facing backwards as you spin around. They're not like to the center facing out or to the outside facing in. Now, the biggest reason for that is the kids with disabilities that don't have control of their upper body when they're going around the spinning like this, they're not going back and forth like that. They're actually spinning forward

or backwards. So, they're not jerking to side to side. The caregiver can actually lift their kids out of wheelchairs right into the seats just over the little hand handrail as opposed to trying to turn them backwards and scoot them into the seat. So, that's one of our our biggest uh most popular inclusive design piece. And and both one and two, they have like the little it looks like a little saucer. Yeah, that's a little that's an inclusive piece as well. It's just kind of a a spinner. Little saucer spinner. Um just with kids that come up to it and and hold it with the other kids on it. It's not a It's not something that's made to go fast. Kind of a hangout. And then the fourth design is what we call um the the the place play tower. So it's a it's a skybuilder, which means that it's obviously it's got a lot of height to it. Um this design does have some shade. So you'll notice the red shade on the posts. doesn't have, you know, shade that overhangs, but it does incorporate some shade into it. It's got the real big tube slides. It's got um like a rock climber as well. It's got a rope climber. And then the one item that is considered inclusive in this is what we call a roller slide. I'll point it out. considered inclusive is it's made for kids with coclar implants. Kids with coar implants that try to go down slides and there's static built up on them. It can blow their ears. So that is something that we put in every single one of our fully

inclusive. I do you know I do have the I do have the ability to do that working with a company called Unlimited Play and they design inclusive playgrounds. They're a not for profofit, but that's just kind of one of the pieces that they incorporate into design. Out of all the designs, I would say that number four is probably uh the most play value because it's got the most play equipment on it. Um, a lot of times when you incorporate independent events, you don't have as much play value because you're creating the use zone that you have to leave open, which takes up a lot of space and you have to leave that between that and the play actual play structure itself. So any one of those items that have that, they have a use cell. If it moves or spins, you have to have a use. Can I ask what the dimensions were when you were setting up because they all have this box around it and you said that you were cutting into the hill. Yeah. Um part of my wonder is, you know, we just experienced a month of rain. So if you're cutting into the hill, then we're going to have runoff onto the hill into this. And I see you've got that concrete border around it. It's actually It's actually a block wall. Okay. And like cinder block or what? um concrete block um landscape block walls. Okay. Yeah. It doesn't look like it doesn't look when you get on the playground. Yeah. And so as far as runoff um they build we we have we work with a company called Ideal Landscape Group. They have about eight divisions. Um one of them is

landscaping. That's what they do. They have plumbing. They also have play and surfacing. So that's the division that installs the playground. The other in division would install all the site work stuff. So they they are very familiar with runoff and and creating using drainage to take it to daylight so that it doesn't go through the playground itself. Uh the base is going to be a compact rock. Another reason for that is that any water that is with all the rain that will also run through the the compact rock through a drain system that goes around the border and is daylighted as well. So they'll daylight that to where they can, you know, create the best drainage. So like compact rock, I'm sorry. Is this like gravel? No, it's more of like the the limestone rock that you would see used for before they put down concrete. Okay. It's like 3/4 to 1 in clean clean fill that they compact. So that'll be loose. A little loose. Well, it's not loose. It's compact. And then the port and place system goes on top of that which is one it's it's binded. You've got the buffings that go down first and they they bind they use binder to attach that to all the concrete blocks around it as well as the b path in the front. It'll be glued to the side there. Just making sure for kids. What's what's your what's your base material that basically the tan that everything sits on? Yeah, that's what that's the porn place rubber. So that I use tan. I usually use tan in these displays. It could be any choice of color. 50/50 mix that you guys want. Um the equipment shows up better quite frankly. And you know you can make it green, you can make it whatever color you you

want, but it's going to be a standard 50 50 mix is what they use. The cab will be a half inch cap. Can you change the color of the components, the slides, the Absolutely. Yeah. Thank you. And as far as the landscaping costs, are all those included in your bid? They are. And I I have to go back and look. I don't remember if you had them broken out or not, but yeah, the all the landscaping and and the fencing as well that you And the fencing as well. Yeah. So yeah, there's yeah, there's not anything on there other than the trees that I didn't. So yeah, that's and I do have again I do have some room in any design to put uh some some benches and you know if you needed trash recepticles. Would there be fencing on the back of that retaining wall that looks to be about four or five foot tall? Well, but the ground is going to be up against it on the back, so there is not required. Well, but they can fall over the other way. But I guess that's the rubberized floor. Yeah, the rubber surfacing is uh that'll all be at least up to 8 foot critical fall height compliant. So, your mandatory fences come when you have anything that has going outside with no fall, you have over I believe it's like 18 in that requires a fence. So, like if the end of this there was nothing on the on the outside. Yeah. That's when you require fencing. What's that? That's also a code compliant. Right. Right. Yeah. Do we have any I don't think there's

going to be a single design that'll be shown here with the grading that's going to be for that bill that will not incorporate. Okay. Thank you. What uh what kind of warranty we got? So like every I'm sure you'll hear from everybody the warranty is there's it's a kind of a varied warranty from different components to different components but the majority of it is limited lifetime plus like your most of your metal is going to be at least 15 years and then any moving part really kind of the spinning stuff it goes down to either a five or a one It varies just depending on the the elements of the what is the typical life expect? You know I I was asked to to replace a structure at Benton in one of your um your schools and and I looked at the playground and it was 20 plus years old and I'm like it really doesn't look that bad. Yeah, you know, 20 years I've seen them still look really good. Um, again, it, you know, I'm sure you would agree, it depends on the the traffic, etc. Um, what you really want to do, which what really shouldn't wear out, what the first thing to to wear out to know you knew that says, "Hey, we need a new playground is usually the decking. when the coating starts coming off the decking that lasts that's usually a good 15 20 years. So, yeah. Um, the typical issue that we actually have sometimes is that it's not the the wear and tear of the structure, it's the ability to get parts. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Everything is the life expect. Oh, okay. Yeah. And everything is again,

it's manufacturer out of Monet here in Missouri. So, parts are not an issue. In fact, they've got a warehouse there. Sometimes they go searching through if the playground's obsolete and see if they've got anything. Do we have any additional questions? Well, thank you for sharing your your uh different versions of the playground with us. I did have one more question. I apologize. Um same as the last. If if there's any components that provide noise, are they adjustable? Um no, they're not adjustable. They're not adjustable. I think the one thing I would point out too is the majority of the playgrounds all have and and I can send you a list of all the parts within these playgrounds, but what we call as reach panels. They're different from just standard panels because they sit up. Um, I don't know if I can see one within here. The exact same panel as a full panel. And those um can the designs be customized or these playsets set in? No, they can be customized. So colors or everything can be changed. Change the reach panel or something. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah. But there's Yeah, there's quite a few reach panels on there. So I mean I try to incorporate it. Well, thank you. All right. Thank you.

Thank you. Thank you. Yes, I can. Well, let's see here. You may just have to tell me to do that for you. You'll have to tell me. Okay, that's okay. And is that projected up for me to see? It will be in just know it pretty well. Able to come across somewhat ready whenever you if you all are ready we can get started you can go ahead Nikki so first off thank you all for having Vernon Jones submit this opportunity at Budwell Park we appreciate all your time

this evening and having having us out Go ahead. So, my name is Ben Brown. Uh, I'm our director of project development. Been in construction uh specifically with playgrounds and recreational spaces for about nine years. Um, really try to challenge our team to embrace uh the psychology of play design. Uh, ensuring that the equipment that we're introducing helps develop not only the kids physically but also cognitively, socially, and emotionally. Um, we've done a number of really special projects around the St. area that we'll uh showcase for you. And also with me this evening is Michael Wade. Michael would be the dedicated project manager uh to the city of Fenton project and he was responsible putting together our our overall proposal package. Okay. Uh so what we'll take you all through is our approach, a brief background about Vernon Jones. Uh then we will check out the proposed layout options. Again, we have five different designs for you all. considerations and then we put together just a summary because of the amount of designs we have that you'll be able to see each of those along with the price points um and our proposed scope work yeah is that better so to be louder correct perfect thank you all right um so first and foremost um we like to assign um like an objective statement to our design team. So, specifically with Budwe Park, uh our team's objective was to provide a dedicated outdoor play space offering the city of Fenton community engaging, dynamic, and recreational opportunities in an accessible, fun, and safe environment. And so, we think we uh embrace that well as we work through our designs. Go ahead. Uh we did place emphasis specifically on access and inclusivity, the physical and cognitive development as we mentioned as well as STEM and sensory play and also

encourage children have opportunities to socialize and embrace team concepts as they enjoy the new park. Uh so briefly about Vernon Jones. Um so I'm representing our parks division. Uh you can go ahead Nikki. Uh we've been around for close to 50 years. Uh we really take a holistic approach and execution of our work. The majority of it is self-performed. You'll probably hear me say that quite a bit. Um but we pride oursel on our end products. So we do also uh celebrate what we call our cross division synergy. So uh we're in a unique position where we have our own in-house asphalt, concrete, athletic, and parks divisions. And you'll note inside that circle is our uh design capabilities. So we have a full in-house functioning civil design team. So for instance with Budwe Park, we've already sent some team members out to take some pretty detailed measurements that allow our bid to be very accurate how we're going to approach it from the constructibility. And then when we receive our uh designs from our partner play manufacturers, we have a civil engineer actually put those plans in place that our team builds against. So if there are any questions or things that come up in real time during the field, our construction is supported by um a live uh design team. Okay. So for instance, this is a project we're currently uh constructing in Carbondale. Um and you can see our engineers plan and how that's going to translate to this end product for a new uh destination inclusive park next. Um so just to take you through how our process works very briefly and we'll get into the design. Um I myself will be dedicated to the project on the consultation phase. We do want the city to take a bit of ownership. we don't just have to run with our proposed designs. They are fluid and we want you all to have uh a sense of um of contribution to it. So just again going back to having our team already be out

on site. Um we understand the location, the intended usage, the audience, um the site work that's necessary. Uh then I already touched on too our our design capabilities. So there really is an ongoing collaboration between our end customer, ourselves internally with our pre-construction services, your dedicated project manager. So that line of communication is critical to helping solve any type of real-time issues in the field uh to allow us to deliver a sound end product. Um from a self-perform work standpoint, you know, we will be purchasing the selected design play equipment, having it delivered and stored at our yard. We're headquartered in Bridgton. So once more from the dedicated team you get on the front end to our team in the field uh the majority if not all of the work will be performed by Burnon Jones which also you know allows us to be very mindful of of cost. And lastly as I mentioned we're right here in St. Louis. So, uh, if there's anything that comes up, if uh, you know, when you open a park and it gets high usage at first, there's some things that just might need to be looked at and, uh, we're happy to send a team over to to check anything out, uh, right away or if there's a question or maintenance, we're happy to support and we're just, uh, you know, stones throw away down the highway. Okay. Um also the team that will be working on this and installing it. We have our uh necessary certifications um that just again you know you have experts on this. So those are our uh critical certific certifications that we keep current and up to date. I believe we most recently had six team members from our parks division take the CPSI exam um with the state of Missou's park. Okay. So just real quick, um these are just a handful of select projects that have been recently completed by Bernardon Jones Parks. This is Matthews Park in the city of Bridton. Uh Kinetic Park with St. Charles

County. You can go ahead. Uh this is Crefcore Upper Loop Park. Both very similar to Budwe actually with the deliverables they wanted. And uh lastly, I think it's just a screenshot of our newly opened Brentwood Park if you haven't been yet. uh right at 14 170 in Brentwood Boulevard. It's a pretty cool place to check out. Got a lot of adults playing on the uh events we have out there. Okay. So, that was a little bit about us and now we'll go ahead and check out our design options if you want to click through one more time. So, we do have these five that were featured out on the posters outside. We've consolidated them here digitally. Um you will see that there is um you know a a variance between the budget amounts. Um the one I will say option four that should be 491. Um but again should we be selected given that there is some allowance left versus the ceiling budget. We would love to work with you all to apply those to either plus up play events uh on the proposed designs or it's just money back that the city can utilize for other park initiatives. uh and if they would if they so choose. So we'll start with option one which is BC by BCI Burke. Uh this is just a top view. So there's over 30 play events. Um more than 13 of them or 13 of them are accessible. Um and we've accounted for the 2 to 5, 5 to 12 and 12 uh 2 to 12 age group appropriateness. And then now we can get into the renderings. So, what's special about this is we have this signature tower for the 5 to2 group. Um, it really is a statement piece. It kind of serves as a as a billboard for the park in and of itself, generating excitement. High level of play value. You'll hear us mention that, too. And what we mean by that is each time the children come back to enjoy the park, it it offers up a new

experience because not everything is directed play. We also have um a variety of swings, your traditional belt seats, but also an inclusive freedom swing and then also a tandem swing where an older sibling or a caregiver can swing alongside their child. And then lastly, we have our two to five piece that you see over to the right. And Nikki, if you just want to click through these, uh the team can see uh some different vantage points of this design. And BCI Burke is a is an excellent manufacturer. They're located in Wisconsin. Um we do a high volume of their installs. Um and they're great to work with. Excellent support from ongoing maintenance. Um so our second option is served up by Miracle. Miracle is actually uh fabricated here in the state of Missouri. Um and they really do a good job stretching uh their allowed budget on these. So once more you'll see that those same age groups are accounted for. A comparable amount of um of play events and accessibility um and their capacity really does serve uh the community well with upwards of 175 children and being able to enjoy these pieces at a given time. Um so if you want to go to the renderings uh here's a good shot. So our two to five in that upper right hand corner is also ramp accessible. Um so that offers a nice amenity to the community uh to ensure that all children of ability different abilities can enjoy things together. From the swing standpoint uh towards the top portion of the image similar that we have our traditional belt swings but also those um inclusive freedom swings and those tandem caregiver swings uh with the belt seats kind of integrated throughout. So once more embracing that idea of inclusivity. Um moving around I guess counterclockwise there's an inclusive spinner. So a merrygoround of sorts where anybody with um you know a

mobility assisted device can easily access that and spin and play alongside um their their friends. Uh and I really do like this dimensional net climber. We talk about cognitive development in our design. Um, and so with these dimensional net climbers, the children really do need to think how they're going to move and navigate across. As there's other children, they're working around them. That brings in that that team component uh communication. So, they're socializing taking place. Um, and it's also a sensory event, too, because you're feeling the reverberation of those play ropes as they navigate uh to the various climbers. And then lastly, as kind of like the signature piece of this design, uh we have this two-story tower uh with multiple access climbing events. There's also the transfer system that allows for accessibility from the ground level and then a multitude of slides and uh alternate climbers. So, um if you want to kind of click through these renderings too, Nikki, uh the team can see some alternate views. And just uh for the team's clarity when we go through all five, I do have um a slide that will show all five with the price points. So to kind of make this a little more digestible, here's your two to five piece. Some additional looks at that inclusive spinner. multiple ways to access and engage with the signature tower. And it's best not to look these children in the renderings directly in the eye. I think they steal your soul cute from a distance. Uh our third option is by our friends at Frying Associates. Take a look at what they put

together. Uh once more with their top view, you can see they've accounted for the larger 5 to 12 structure, the 2 to five smaller unit, and then a swing system, and also uh just using some of the balance of their budget uh for a freestanding rocker. Um and they've went ahead and uh done, I believe, a timber bordered system that has a ramp excess on its perimeter. So, here's a top view of that same site plan just in 3D format. Um, you know, upwards of of uh five or six slides. Um, what's great is the children can race each other down on a couple of these. There's one where three children can slide at a given time, another one for two, and then also providing alternate paths with their sliding, which is an important um element of play with motion um and balancing. Same with the smaller two to five unit. There's still three different slide options there. And really with all three of these, I'd like to note each design that you're being presented with allow children to grow. Um, taking risk is a very important part of a child's development. A playground allows for them to do that. So, they can kind of push themselves. Just because it says it's 2 to 5 doesn't necessarily mean that the 2 to 5year-old can't go play on the 5 to 12 and see what they're comfortable with and then they begin to start using different pieces as they grow stronger and more confident. Um, so I'm really happy with all five that we served up with that thought in mind. And you can go ahead, Nikki. So, here's another vantage point, uh, ground level. Um, they brought in some nature play with the, uh, the log steppers that lead up to the signature unit. Bit more traditional in its design, but still quite a bit of play value. Um, I think they really celebrated the sliding aspect with this, too. Um, and then you'll see back on the swings too, it's a similar approach. We

have a tot seat as well as one of those tandem caregiver swings uh with your more traditional belt seats. Where is this one made? Um, that's a great question. You recall where Fry is based out of? I want to say they're Kansas City. Yeah, thank you. And they did have a representative here tonight. So, that's another thing to note. um BCI Burke, that design was provided by one of your vendors who's going to be presenting later. Fry was here, as was Compan, who's our um fifth design. So, just know that we have a high level of trust with the proposed play designers that they trust Burn & Jones to install their equipment properly. Um and to that end, it allows the city to know that you have a reputable contractor doing the work with a solid product. Okay. And so our fourth one is um by Next Generation Recreation. Um and Nikki, if you want to go ahead and skip ahead. Uh what's I think a little bit different if we're trying to give you guys something to think about as we work our way through each of these designs is um NextGen really does offer a a very contemporary approach to their design. Um all the elements of play which there are seven like climbing, brachiating, balancing, sliding, swinging, etc. Um they're still accounted for in here. It's just not so much in like a traditional way that you see with like a post and deck play system. Um, we mentioned the the dimensional rope climber on the miracle option too earlier. You'll see a lot of that um in with this particular design. A lot of slides, multiple kids can go down a single slide. Um, there's just different ways to engage with the equipment,

whether it's going up one side using rope or the next time being challenged or challenging yourself as more of like a a rock climbing course. So, a lot of play value with this particular one as well. Not to mention its kind of striking aesthetics too and customization of colors is completely open. We would obviously want to work with the city to finalize that. New 3Ds would be generated to show your desired color scheme, all that. So, if you don't mind clicking through a few of these, Nikki, we can get some different looks. So, once more, all age groups are accounted for. Um, but just some pretty dynamic climbing. Uh, just a different approach. um still swings, multiple user swings which are great for accessibility um but also inclusivity and that multiple children can uh enjoy that event by you know with each other. We also still have that two to five that you see the tot swings off to the side here. Um and then you have some larger um you know more traditional swings uh on the opposite end of the play area that you see off to your left. And I believe there's another look at that one too. and included on some of these panels and I did leave a digital copy of this presentation given it given its um length if you will um you can spend time looking at some of these panels in more detail but there's a lot of sensory play um that's incorporated in them whether they're educational or musical I believe there might have been a question on that um to that end there the the music equipment that is integrated into the design um there is data out there from the manufacturers that they've already tested the decibel level. So, um, usually we're working with the parks department, it just depends on how close it might be to a neighboring community. Um, we just installed pickle ball courts and it backs up to a neighborhood and so we found a product that eliminates the sound of the ball dinking. And um just

know that they're they're smart people designing these and uh they do try to account for that to where you're hearing the sound in the play area, but it's not intended to be, you know, heard on the other side of gravy or what have you. Um so just again another vantage point here. Um once more a multi-user swing. I'm big fan of those um not only from the inclusivity standpoint, but just that multiple users can enjoy. Um, and you see just some different angles of all the uh play events and just their uniqueness compared to what we might have served up so far. Can I ask a question as we're going through some of these? It's me. Oh. Um, as so I'm looking through a lot of your different designs as we've been flipping through these and all your designs look very flat. Um, but if you looked at that site where we're at, it's not flat at all. So, how will some of these designs accommodate that hillside so that you're not digging into it for the runoff for, you know, just being able to get around blah blah blah. Yep. Great question. And I'll go back to the fact that we did go ahead and take some time and visit already and we've took some pretty detailed measurements um and have accounted for those in what our base bid uh is set at that we do plan to excavate out grade for proper drainage and it also includes a retaining wall system uh in our bid along with the play equipment its installation the safety surfacing and uh walkway too. Okay. It's just the images don't have that which is fine. And I'm just And correct. And when um as should things progress further and one of these is selected, we can work to truly show those in like a updated 3D to uh to note that you'll see drainage in a

site plan and all that. Okay. Thank you. Mhm. And so our fifth option is uh by by Compan. Um I think they've done a great job too. So we can take a look through their proposed design. Uh similar to uh the other options, we have our 2 to 5, 5 to 12. Um our 2 to 12, which is mainly the swing and the standalone spinners. Um from a from a while we're looking at the top view, the circular play event you see on the right side um is actually really cool. It's almost like a spinning Christmas tree. Uh we'll get a better look at it. Um we've installed those at a number of parks. uh but allow kids to climb on the inside, the outside, lay down on it in the inside while they work as a group to get it spinning around. Um similar to a merrygoround and then you have some of your bucket spinners um in the open space. Uh but they've done a great job integrating shade into their proposed design. Um so you see that on both the signature 2 to five, I'm sorry, 5 to 12 structure as well as the uh 2 to 5 unit. Um the swings as well. We have our tandem swing, uh your traditional belt seat, but then once more one of those uh multi-user saucer swings. There's a lot of uh supplemental play that you'll see uh kind of integrated in panels uh around the ground level uh of each structure. You'll see a little sensory event there with that musical play. Um, and if just to touch on that, if that is a concern, that's something that can be swapped out for some other type of STEM play. Um, they have things that are either visually stimulating or can be more educational. Um, just know, like I said, that each option served up is is flexible. Um, and then you see that spinning Christmas tree right there

through the middle, which I think we have a slightly closer image of as well. So you have your tandem slides where the kids can kind of race each other down. And here's our uh two to five structure. Miss Little Miss is striking a pose there. Uh and there's that spinning Christmas tree, too. And again, uh, with its accessibility, its proximity to the ground, it's intended to be, uh, an inclusive play event, uh, with a high level of play value, too. Okay. And then, um, just for, uh, some more detail on our proposed approach, we intend to use a port in place, uh, surfacing system. Uh, so that's kind of like your track surface that you get your attenuation based on the thickness of um, shredded rubber that's underneath that. Um, our bit our bud our bid accounts for um, a 50/50 blend between a standard color and black. Uh, that can be, you know, customized as well if we need to. Um, but it's a ADA compliant surface, very low maintenance. It's intended to dry fast. Uh so ultimately giving the community uh the opportunity to let their kids play in the play in the new park uh on more calendar days. And here's a breakdown and summary of those five options. If you go one more. Yeah. And so I know these are a bit thumbnail in size, but uh hopefully this allows you all just to um kind of take that all in and weigh everything against one another. and and as we noted, there's uh you know, I guess a um balance between the overall project budget. So, um with some collaboration with the city, we're

happy to roll that in to plus up some of these play events, uh add amenities such as benches, what have you. Um there's some freedom there or it's just a, you know, a credit back. And then if you go one more uh here is a full breakdown of our proposed approach to the project. So once more we with our base bid and you see the range that it is totaled up at the bottom. Uh you're seeing all the work that we plan to uh deliver upon within this budget. So we're going to have pre-construction services allocated to this. We will have a survey crew out there. Um we've accounted for all the necessary excavation in regards to the hillside grading slopes uh use of excess spoils. Then we will be in including uh a 4-in under drain to ensure that the the site is properly drained. Um and then you have that retaining wall there as well. Uh running the necessary length and height. um along with your ADA concrete sidewalk and then the playground uh layout and install itself along with your safety surfacing system. I didn't notice fencing on any of your proposals. Uh are you going to think that we have a need for fencing for any of these? It's we certainly can account for it. Um, it really is just up to the community if you want to have that sense of containment or if you prefer the openness of access. Um, you know, we can revisit its location. If it is around an area where there's like heavy vehicular traffic, things like that, then maybe even doing a single fence line at the front with an opening. Um, so they're they're nice to have. Um but also you know it does give that sense of inviting and openness to without. So it's more of

a desire from a functionality standpoint. Um one other note uh just without having like a firm set go date and without like equipment being finalized. Obviously lead times vary per manufacturer. Um I would say anywhere between 7 to 14 weeks depending on who the city elects to go with. But we wanted to provide some type of uh timeline to this. So uh once play equipment is received, once it's out of production, we don't foresee our our construction efforts taking any longer than 8 weeks to complete. Um I think that might be it. So just some action items. Happy to take any questions, comments, feedback. um happy to adjust for any revisions or providing an ad alternate for safe fencing uh and ensure that the city has whatever is needed for its upcoming uh meeting with the board this Thursday. Is there a a longer life expectancy as far as the equipment goes on one of these versus another? I would say I did uh review each manufacturer's warranty prior to this in the event we had that question and all or most if not all are backed by what's called a generations warranty. So like the steel support systems are upwards of a hundred years. But similar to a car things that move and get more use, it kind of trickles down from there. And we're happy to provide those manufacturer warranties for each design. Um, but the manufacturers we've elected to go with are are very reputable. Their their equipment is meant to last. You'll find their equipment in parks that have been around for, you know, decades. So, um, we're happy with who we're moving forward with. We don't want to put something in that we're getting called

about on a on a high frequent basis. So, with that being said, I'm I'm just going to make the assumption you um that you've dealt with all these companies before. How is it getting replacement parts? because we've had some issues with some of our parks getting parts. Yeah. So, it's a good question. The what I've learned and I used to be on the the representative side, too. It's it's a matter of getting to the right person. And each of these from the manufacturer support standpoint are going to get you what the are going to get the city what it needs to address anything. It's just a matter of making sure you're getting to them. Um, and knowing that you would be working with us and our project management team, we will ensure we have regular communication with them, whether it's something as simple as sending 50 uh tamperproof nuts or if it's replacing a a slide hood. So I I would say to you with confidence now that we would ensure that whatever design you go with there will be a direct line of communication to the customer support or and they will keep record of your final design or the city's final design and can go they can solve issues pretty quickly with a handful of photos and a quick summary of what the issue may be. The the issue we've mostly had in the past is when a structure gets to a certain age is that you're no longer able to get the parts. Yeah. Um, and can only speak to this so much, but I will say I feel that the manufacturers we work with have gotten better about making sure whatever they have it in the event like a certain slide doesn't exist anymore, they have options that can be integrated or replaced in um to not let that just be a defunct area of the play system. Um, and that's a relatively new development. We we have done corrective efforts on some systems u most recently in in the city um where there are some significant vandalism to uh the play structures at

an apartment community and the equipment itself was over 20 years old and so there are just some things that they've moved on with and some of those are are even due to some of the pieces just being kind of like a safety hazard or concern and they've moved on from. Um, so they don't want to be selling equipment that is a significant investment that doesn't have that longevity we're speaking out uh speaking about without some type of solution to resolve uh an issue that may come up. Does anyone else have any additional questions for Ben? Save all the hard ones for Michael. Thank you so much for your time. All right. We appreciate it. Thank you. Heart stick. Welcome. Thanks. Guess I just start. We're ready whenever you're ready. Okay. Uh first off, I just want to say thanks for letting us present. You know, we we make these designs and we we create these bids and normally you just send them in and hope everybody understands them. And it's it's pretty cool to be

able to have an opportunity to talk a little bit about what we have made here. Um, and I'd also like to commend you on the difficulty of your decision. You've got five companies that are going to present. We all do this every day. Uh, all of these playgrounds look like they'll be fun. Um, so it's a pretty difficult decision to weed through which which designs we like the best and why and and uh it's just going to be tough and I want to say good luck. So, who who are we real quick? Uh, we're Parkscape Solutions. Uh, we're a family-owned business. My father-in-law started this business with his father-in-law over 20 years ago. We started out as an installationonly company. Um, and then I left education uh to add the sales side of this company. Um, and now I operate as our chief operating officer and Abby Woods over here handles the majority of our sales. She also happens to be my sister-in-law. Um, so when I say we're a family company, that's what you're getting. Uh, the lead supervisor on your installation will be my brother-in-law. So, uh, we're very family based and, uh, we're very personable about our playground business. Um, who do we represent? Well, we represent Plane Park Structures. That's the manufacturer that we, uh, deal with and we install for every day. We're certified installers by the manufacturer and uh, we partner with them for a reason. We partnered with them because they care about the science of play. former educator, former early childhood special education coordinator. I wanted to partner with a playground company that cared about kids and cared about kids of all abilities. And I think Play and Park Structures does a good job of that. They have a team

of researchers. Um, and I can share you a PDF one day that says where all of these places are at and who all these smart people are, but at the end of the day, they are people that are actually studying play. Um, and that's that's why we partnered with Playing Park Structures. So, that's who we are. That's what we're going to try to put in the ground for you. um just to talk real quick through our designs because I I think the purpose of today is to try to pick a company um and maybe tweak some designs um instead of pick the perfect design. Um but to to walk you real quick through our designs and I'm going to back this up. That might have been easier. So this is this is our design one. Um and this this is meant to be your most inclusive playground design. Uh so what you have here is you have an ADA access sidewalk um that connects to a sensory station. So all of these things are going to be things that kids with sensory needs um and mobility needs can access. anything on this this section. Uh then you're going to go into a music category. One of the science behind our designs is not only are these music pieces cool and and fun to hit on, but they're also on pitch. Uh then you have uh swings, which all playground design need swings. Uh you have in this particular design, which can be changed, regular swings, toddler swings, and an ADA swing. Uh then you have a threeperson spinner. Over here you have a climbing wall that goes into the play area. And then on the other side you have an ADA ramp um that allows a student in a mobility device. I probably

shouldn't say student, you guys are a park, but a child in a mobility device uh to enter at any section of that lower level of the playground and have interactive play with kids at different playing points uh throughout. Uh, this design has a double uh slide uh that goes all the way up to a 12-oot deck. Um, the design is meant for kids to be able to race down both of those slides. And you'll actually see that play feature in both designs. Um, and then you have um our Rogue Wave Climber uh which is a not a vertical but a slanted uh climber that is a composite piece. uh with with this um I can go into detail about each one of these play events. Um but to be honest, you guys have heard so many presentations, they're probably all mumbling together. Um but there is a specific purpose and play uh point on each one of these. And if you guys uh pick Parkscape Solutions, not only will we show you all the ones that you've got, we'll show you all the options you could get. Uh so that's option one. Um on the back here real quick, we have um a a 2D showing where we generally want to place this piece of equipment. Um because when I'm done talking about option two, we'll talk about the site a little bit because it is unique. Um so this is option one. This is our general idea of placement. Now granted, this could be twisted one way or the other. Um and we can all talk about that once we go, okay, this is the company we want to do business with. Option number two is our nature design theme. Um, so you can see things look a little bit more rustic. Um, you've got wooden slat uh roofs which are composite materials. You've got a GFRC tree uh

which weighs over 2500 lb um that's got like indentations of little squirrels running up it and beetles and all kinds of cool stuff. And then you've got like climbers that are going to have more of a treehouse type feel. And that's the purpose of the larger system is to think, "Oh, I climbed up on these rocks and I climbed up on this tree." Um, and you're just kind of out in the woods uh playing. You have a fourperson rocker and then you have a two to five system. Um, that's a pretty simple system, but the same theme as the others. And again, uh, you've got your swings, um, which are the same setup, but also customizable. If you want to have all the same seat, you want to have more tot seats, you want to have more ADA seats, we have, um, what's called a selfie swing, um, which is sometimes categorized as a mommy and me swing that you can put two in a bay where you can have a child on one side, you can have an adult on the other. Uh we also have a tween mates version uh which is two kids so you can double your swing capacity without uh changing your um the amount of bass and that's always a good option if if swings are your thing and you're like well yeah but we can only get five kids here. Well, we fill that full of tween mates and you just you just doubled it. So So that is a swing option. And then this shows you what our general placement of that uh that system would be which is the same spot as option number one. Um and then the second thing that I want to present on because not not only did we really try to come up with a design that fits students of all abilities but we tried to come up with a design that fits your space. Um, so you'll see in our design

um that it has a uh retaining wall around three sides of it. Um, based off of when we went on site and shot grade, uh, we're we're estimating that retaining wall being up to 9 ft tall. Um, and the and the game plan would be to cut into your wall, remove all of that dirt, um, and put a retaining wall around three sides of this playground. Now, that can go hot dog style or it can go hamburger style, but either way, you've got to have a retaining wall wrapped around this. Um, and the fact that you're in St. Louis County means if that retaining wall is taller than 2 feet, you've got to have fence around it. Um, so we tried to show all of these things that your not only is your play going to need, but your site is also going to need them. Um, and if you look through our bid, it's lined item on the spec of that wall. It's a VersaLock retaining wall um that we currently got installed right now at Gentry Park. Um, if you want to go look at one, um, we've got a drainage system in the price of this uh, design. Um, there's a fence spec in the design. Um, so when you look at our bid, we tried to give you 360 degree bid of to get an ADA sidewalk to this area, this is how much running feet you're going to need. Um, to get um something flat, a flat place, you're going to need this kind of retaining wall and this much fage. Um, so when you look at our design, I think our main goal was to show you play and sight. We've got a a short fly through video if option one if you guys kind of want to have that playing in the background. I've seen you guys um have

some questions. Uh so I think that'd probably be good background thing while you guys open up your question section. What's your surface material? Oh, so it's turf. Um, we could provide a PIP um option, but currently you have a turf uh quote with a 10-year warranty. Did y'all incorporate benches or shade into your bid? Um, so currently we've got uh some shade as far as roofs go. Um, but there's not any canopy fabric shade. Um, and I I think we kind of failed on putting benches. Um, but we do have uh plenty of space to add benches. So if you look at our design, anywhere that isn't uh one of those yellow circles you zones is an area where you can add a bench. So, I mean, we could very easily put three or four benches within that area. Um, I'm see some of the parents need to sit may No, it's it's a good part of come in handy. Sometimes shade over the benches come in handy as well, right? And we uh we you know, everybody's got that option, but if that's something that, you know, that's one of those things that, hey, let's let's get down in the weeds and we want to add this, you've got the space for it. Okay. That would be additional cost, correct? Uh it would be um but to be honest, we'd probably heavily discount it because I know you're at the top of your budget anyway. Uh what is the expectancy and the warranty on the structure? Um so Play and Park Structures has a um a sliding scale warranty, a limited warranty where where different portions of your playground uh have different life expecties uh with the longest being up to 20 years.

What about uh replacement parts? Is that going to be a problem? Shouldn't be. You're looking right at the lady that's going to get them for you. Oh, okay. There you go. Yeah. I mean, we've, you know, of course, everybody's experienced, right? You know, we've had this for 10 years and nobody makes that anymore, right? You know, so I guess we could probably maybe adjust something possibly. Yeah. So, I I mean, all systems are going to have a a lifetime where that design matches up with the new stuff. Um, and then you're going to get into the dangers of stuff being 15, 20 years old and all a sudden your slide needs replaced, but the mounting isn't the same as what's currently being made. In my experience, that probably means you're probably pretty close to needing a new system. Um, but as far as standard warranty, especially if it's under warranty, um, not only are we the company that's going to provide the part, but we're also the company that's going to provide the installation of that warrantied piece. Um, so as long as you're ordering things within warranty and you're ordering things that can still mount up to your current system should be just manufacturing timeline and we'll be there. We're also going to be the ones that fix your surfacing. Um, these structures that have the music, can the volume be adjusted on it? Um, so the so the volume is going to be based off of the player. Um, the kids are going to bang around on it. Um, and that that may be an issue, but like if you look at our design one, uh, we have things called sensory panels. Um, where in design two you have some musical pieces. So, if volume is something that we're concerned about, um, then we may say, "Hey, let's let's do some sensory panels or some game panels or something else on ground level with no use zone." Um, so kids of all abilities can interact with it, but let's pick

something that's a little more quiet. Thank you. Do we have any additional questions? Um, yeah, a couple of thoughts. Yeah. comment about the sound levels is a lot of the designs they're behind a retaining wall which would help might help muffle. Right. Yes. From the back side of the play structure. And the other thing is with your turf floor, do all all your structures have to be on the same level or could you work with the the hillside and have it on a So, yes. and no. Um, so each system is going to have its own sense of level. Um, so you can change uh levels. Um, for a a truly inclusive ADA um system, you're going to want to keep the general area less than a 2% grade. Um, so yes, you can build hill slides and you can build mounds and and stuff. Um, but it a lot of time it limits your access to to all of your play areas. So that's why it's not in this particular design, but it is possible. All right. Good information. Thank you. Any additional questions? I'm I'm not super familiar with versal lock, but on that retaining wall, is the finished product, is it pretty smooth or is it there's cracks and crevices? I'm just wondering 9 foot tall if there's enough of a a crevice that you might get a kid back there trying to climb it. Well, I mean it it it is a retaining wall, a block retaining wall, so it does have a recess. Um but we could also if if you guys don't want that option, we

could do a solid concrete wall. Um it's not like it has to be vers. That's just normally the most cosmetic option. But but I could see that as a concern because 9 ft's pretty tall. If if you make it idiot proof, they'll make better idiots. I'll have to write that down. Well, thank you for your time. Yeah, we appreciate it. Good luck. Thank you. Welcome. Um, breath.

I'm not going to tell you how much is it magically going to Uh the park you guys hear me? Is that better? Perfect. Um, my name is Dana. My company is called The Playground Consultants and I represent Burke. So, um, I all the time work with Vernon Jones. You had seen them earlier tonight. Um, they presented one of my lines. We work together a lot. Um, Burke is been around for a hundred years. They're a very reputable manufacturer made in Wisconsin and designed right here. And I will say I went to Sacred Heart down the street growing up. A little bit homegrown here. So the next slide I just wanted to uh just kind of say this proposal aims to create a dynamic playground at the park fostering community design, local values, um enhancing children's play experiences and community identity. And uh the next picture, so I tried to throw in some pictures of real life people on the equipment because I it's all rendering

so it's kind of hard to imagine what it looks like. So this is one of the pieces that I have in my proposal. Go to the next slide. Um just an overview of the playground design. Um I did an inclusive design approach. You can see from the the pie chart here, we have the inclusive area, the smaller preschool area, and then the youth area. So, distinct areas of play for all. So, when you're looking at these playgrounds, you really need to be looking and thinking, is this for the community or is this just for youth? this this playground. Um, we have the swing section, the 2 to 5 section, and the 5 to 12 section. So, a good healthy playground hits all of those areas. And so, the playground equipment is tailored to the age specific users in that playground. Um it also there's special social development skills um teamwork, cooperative play, imaginative play and then in the youth area you can see the emphasis is on physical fitness. Um and then just where um the area they asked us to design as everybody um you've seen it's on the hill. So, we just going to have to, you know, excavate back. So, my design goes back about 50 feet and the length is 100. And so, um, you can see a retaining wall in the back and a fence. Those are a must. And then it just kind of bevels down to a curb and retaining or the retaining wall to the curbing down on the side. And then this would be the ADA pathway.

ahead to a couple. No, no, no. Keep on going. Keep on going. Um, so just that first picture there. Um, there's um a lot of accessibility. So this incorporates different um tactical paths, sensory areas. Um, so I'll get to point out things in a minute, but you can see children with not just wheelchairs, but you know, visual impairments, anything like that, sensory, autism, it it checks all the boxes. Then the next slide, um, I I chose to do a porn place, um, with the design in it. And you can see you um you will be able to get a wheelchair through all of this area. And the design in the porn place gives it it's just more visually appealing. Um the curved lines, it creates an additional game. The floor is lava. Um now, if you do not like the design, we can just do completely all green. Um and or you can do turf. It's all the same price, whatever you want to do. I've I've heard some questions about the surfacing, and I'll just tell you guys in general. So, if you're looking for a warranty, turf is going to be the best. All the turfs, cuz we all know each other. We do this all the time. Everybody's turf is either a 10 or 15 year warranty. And then everyone's pouring place is between three and five. So, um the the turf is going to have a longer warranty, but the the pour in place is more popular. We can also do designs in the turf as well. Then once you're once you're choosing the vendor and the turf, there's different amounts of infill.

There's the black pebbles, there's the sand, there's no infill. So, these are just things to just talk about when you're choosing what t And then the next slide. Um, so this this playground was designed for physical development, social skills, imagination and creativity, cognitive growth, emotional well-being, and sensory stimulation. Um, the overview of safety and regulations. So everything on here follows the CPSC guidelines and the ASM standards. And um I am also a certified playground safety inspector and I'll be overseeing the project. Um the next slide here um just about the company that I represent, Burke. They are a leader in innovation, high quality playground equipment. Um we I I know Ben mentioned it earlier, the generations warranty. That is something specific to Burke. That is the 100red-year warranty. And let's say if you put in this playground and then you sell it to somebody else, the warranty stays with the playground. So like everybody else, like the moving parts fall off at 15 years. The uh ropes fall off after a certain amount of time. So things fall off, but the posts and the clamps um does have the generations warranty, which is 100 years. And um I heard somebody ask about parts. So currently right now I have a playground that's 22 years old that we're getting parts for. So it's not going to be the exact part, but it's going to be a retrofit and it's going to be more fun. And so this specific school is like, well, we can't afford everything. So they just said, what can

you buddy up to our old system to give it a re refresh life? and then we'll skip the fly through until the end. So then, okay, so I just wanted to show some more real people in the pictures. So I like this picture because of the um roof. You can see how pretty the shadow is. So I've incorporated the roofs. Then she want to go to the next one. So this picture of this kids on the hammock, this hammock is also in here. And I feel like the Burke equipment is very hardy. Um, everything on here has the 5 in posts. Um, which is what you really want if you want something to last a long time. Some of the other manufacturers you're going to see their posts are 3 and 12 inch. Um, just something to look for. Everything I'm proposing is the five inch pose. This is a a live picture of a spinner that I have in um you can see it's you know mother child or it's it's a very cozy spinner and you can see the pretty shadow in there. These are just some climbers. You can see kids on them. just the the quality. This uh I have in here some play panels. So when when we're designing a playground, we really want to make sure that if we have 20 uh play events, 10 are on ground level for those children that have to stay on ground level. So this um is an example of some great play panels. Mine is all STEM play. I did not put any music um

in. And I'll tell you why. I went on site and I found a mom that was walking and I just asked her if she had time and she said yes. And so I showed her my magazine and I showed her what I was thinking and she gave me a lot of great feedback. She said number one, what she wants is shade. She said I'm going to playgrounds and there's not enough shade. So, you can see I put shade um everywhere. Everything is shaded. And I know that we do have to cut down a couple trees to do this, so we're shaded. Um she also said something very important to her was uh seating. So, um in my design, I have included two picnic tables and they don't have to go right there if you don't want them. Um, I know it doesn't look great, but strategically it's fantastic because you want to sit there and watch the kids. Um, line of sight is very big in these. You you're not going to see any climbing walls or anything that's going to block sight. Um, just due to the shape and nobody's going to, you know, trying to be look at the playground through the back. So, I've just made it so everything could be seen from the front. And then on the um path over here, this is just a concrete path where I put a couple benches and shade as well. And I put in trash cans. That was the most important thing to her was shade and some sitins. So this little piece here is in here. It's called a serenity spot. So, um there's the the percentage of children that are autistic is very high and they have found that they would like a place to go and sit and quiet and not be overstimulated. So, this is what

we've provided. It's called a serenity spot and you can see two or three kids can sit there or a child by themselves and it is back um right back here in my playground proposal and there's fun stuff to do on the sides. So just here's an overhead shot. Um so that tower is 25 ft tall. I you know the budget for this was 500,000. So, I came in at 4 around 4:30 um because I want it to be the low bid number one and I bid with all these people all the time and then number two um if we want to make any major adjustments. We have a huge budget but for everything I have uh talked about is included on here. the retaining wall, the side amenities, the fence. Um, and like I said, I'm about 100 by 50, the design in the pour in place. Um, but back to the equipment. So, we have different what I like about my design, everything. But then also, we've got slides on different levels. So, we have a 4ft slide, a six-foot slide, and then um a 15t slide. So the the critical fall height on this playground is 8 feet. So don't hear 15 and be like, "Oh my god, no." Nobody can get out after eight. Um swings have um a U zone or they have a critical fall height of 8 feet. So it's kind of if we're designing for the 5 to 12, 8 feet is kind of the the the minimum that we want the 12y olds. We can go a lot higher. Um but yeah, the critical fall height and the surfacing for this playground is so just something else about the main

piece. That's the the piece for the five to 12 year olds. This should be very challenging and interesting and make them want to come back. So there are so many different ways to get on this piece of equipment. You have the climber on the side. You have the victory wall like a ninja course. You've got the tree climber on the side. Um and that bottom picture, the ramp with the blue um handles on it. That is for the um wheelchair children because they can inch up it and so they can they can get on the playground equipment. Um and that was designed by a wheelchair child and it is to set for the incline. It's on transfer level so they can join the equipment with the able body kits. Um inside the big tower um is rope play. So to get to the very very top you need to be able to use make yourself up that rope. So, in playgrounds, we want to have all different types of climbing and rope play is very popular. And so, I just threw some of that in. And of course, our ropes have the steel through them as well. Um, the swings, I did two belt, one taut, and one ADA. Um, but you can swap that out if you want all belt swings, if you want the swings that face each other. But usually if we're just trying to get as many swings in and give everybody a chance, we'll have one ADA swing, one tot swing, that's a little chair, and then two belts. And here's you can see those stem panels on the side and the um the hammock.

more angles. Um I hear I've heard a lot about the Christmas tree spinner. If you want the Christmas tree spinner, we can put that in. I have in this more of the cozy spinner. Um there was an incident with a little girl's hair in the Christmas tree spinner at a school I did a few years ago. So I've tried to stay away from that. But if you all all this is just what I would do. So just let me know. Oh, we don't like this spinner. Swap it out. Um, so there's definitely apples to apples in our magazine. Um, or if you find something on somewhere else and just say, "This is what we want here," then I just find that a bird's equipment. So, the kid in the wheelchair there, he's coming up to a chair spinner, which is really neat. Um it's on transfer level as well. So it's the same level as the wheelchair and the back arch is the same for the wheelchair and the arm placement. And um so that's called our um arrow spinning chair and it was designed by the same child who helped design the ramp to get up. And that's just another view. You can see all the shade. door views. You can see the ropes inside the tower. Um, you know, just when it's this amount of money involved, I feel like you want people to get pull up in their cars and be like, "Wow, like they did it right." So, I feel like this playground, you know, you have the tower, you've got the beautiful shade. Um, it checks all the boxes. So, um, transfer accessible events, that's 13. Um, we have 22 ground events. Um, when you have a playground of this size, five is required and and I have

22. And then there are 11 different types of I missed the word ground. Ground level events. Um, and three are required. Now, do you have to climb ropes to get to the top slide or Okay. Or you just don't make it up to the top slide, you know, and that's kind of, you know, it gives the kids to work something up to, right? You know, like, well, you can start with the 4ft slide and then and then make your way up. And, you know, I was kind of raised, well, if you can't make it to the top, then you don't belong at the top. So, you know, I like it. You don't want to be one of those kids crying like, "Help get me down." Well, you probably shouldn't have been up there in the first place. Um, do you want We could put the fly through on now. And and um my installer is Land Design Plus. They've been around forever. I don't know if anybody has used them before. They're amazing. I would say they would knock out this equipment in less than two weeks. So, with this um your design when you're talking about that space because you've walked it and you saw that it's in the hill um the grading that's going to be required for that and the fencing, you know, you've got that on here, but how big do you think that wall is going to have to be for when you guys dig it out in order to get into the like it looks like it's all one surface? Um the wall like the whole playground looks like it's all on one flat surface. So, you're going to have to dig into the Oh, yeah. Yeah. Um I I I we were all talking about there about how tall the wall is and I think that is just going to depend on when we're out there and we're moving the earth. You know, you could just say right now between six and 9 ft and um but I think that's going to be a game time call. You know, it it will it will be safe. And

so two questions. So, as you said, game time call the cost you have in here or the the bid you have bid in here, regardless of the size, whether it's a 6T or 9 foot or 12T, it's the same. It's the same. Okay. Okay. It's the same. And I heard you mention something about another company. Now, do you all do y'all do all your own work or do you have contractors that do your work? So, um, all of my work, all of the site work, grading, prep, that will all be done from Land Design, Land Design Plus. Um, they've been a St. Louis company for, I don't know, many, many, many years. Um, and then the surfacing, it will depend on what you guys choose. So, if you would like port andplay surfacing, um, there are no local people that do port andplay surfacing. We all have crews and um like I use this line called Mitri Turf and they have um crews all around the United States. So who's ever close would do the the project at that time. Um but like I said, I also put um you could also have turf and that would be local. Um, so yeah, the the porn place specialized crew that come out um like my people, we do pour in place patches and and let's say you know some kid decides to dig down into the pore and place and now we have to come fill this patch. Um well, he'll do that. But nothing I mean designs it's very um specific and so we have special people that come do the form place. So are you the GC on this? You specifically so you work so we work directly with you and you manage the project all your contractors. Yeah I've done the last four St. Louis County parks. I've last

year I did four for Wville school district. I've done two for Patenville this year. Um, I I can send my resume. I've done a lot. I worked, oddly enough, for AB Creative um from for years and then I was able to um sell the Burke line on my own. That's the two to five structure. You can see that's the transfer station with the Do you guys want to watch the fly through or did you guys see it on your screens up there? Oh, okay. Okay. Okay. Well, do you guys have any questions? So, I'm guessing like on the one cozy spinner because it's like so like something like that could be swapped out. We we've seen spinners that were like four seaters. Mhm. So those have just a slightly bigger use zone. So we would have to make room for that. But absolutely. We have, you know, everybody nearly has the same stuff, just a little different take on it. Ours is called the Volulta. Okay. So we have the Volulta and if you would like that and there was there's um so like I said there's the 2 to 5, the 5 to 12, the swings nestled throughout. there's some freestanding two to 12 pieces. Um we can always just look and say, well, if the priority is that spinner, do we want to just move over a few feet? That's why um my budget is 430,000. And so we can just if we need to move over, we have plenty of room, but as it sits right now, we would just tweak what we have. Like for example,

those picnic tables, they're taking up space. So, if the spinner is more important, um, we can definitely do that. But I but I do have to say, we were talking about it that you have the shade on the on the younger toddler area, which makes sense because you're going to stand there with your 2-year-old while they're on the playground as compared if you've got your eight-year-old on the playground. You're not you're not standing right next to them. So that was I like that was a nice nice incorporation of shade for for a group that would need it. And I wish I would have asked that woman's name, but I was already talking to her a lot and getting her opinion. But yeah, when I went on site, that was the most important thing to her was shade and then a place to sit. Does the shade have to be removed each winter? Well, it on our specs it says to remove it. I don't think anyone ever has on on the shade. Is that is that more like a is that a hard rigid product or It's fabric. Okay. It's fabric. Okay. Yeah. And it's water resistant so the water comes off of it um but not waterproof. We have any additional questions. Are these colors set by Burke or can we say, "Hey, this is great, but we want it to be maroon." So, I've never done a project where they're like, "Oh, let's just go with it." Ever. So, it's usually like, "Oh, we don't like this climber. We don't like this color. We don't like the victory wall. We don't like the poor in place. We want four benches here. So, we just tweak. Everything is custom

made. Um, so it's just whatever you want. And then we just kind of usually I would say there's about five or six revisions until we really get what we want. And um, like actually I'm doing the city of Manchester Schroer Park right now and I think we had nine. Well, thank you very much for your time. Thank you guys. Thank you. So, so I believe on the regarding the pavilion from what I saw in the notes that there's that's just there's no new information. So, and so that that's got moved to June. So, Okay. Right. I didn't know if we want to do public waiting public comment. So you would be moving that I understand. Okay. So I guess our task is to put forth threeend

vendors. Oh, just how many vendors? So from the five, narrow it down to three or would you say three designs from three different vendors? Yeah, I I mean we know that we can tweak them. If you if there's some designs that specifically stand out to you, then that says something about the vendor that that's design. So, how do you want to go through this? Like, do you want me just to tell you which ones I like? We keeping a tally or are we supposed to go back and forth till we come up with a forum? You tell us. Okay. And we did, Jane did receive, we do have the public information of the I know you guys all had I think she kind of put a tally together on that of letting the public kind of the designs and give us especially we had a a lot of I would say majority of them were hit. So I guess Robin I'll ask you and join. Do you guys just want three recommendation or do you want three recommendations ranked? just three vendors that you choose that you like. Okay. As far as public uh the public input um for the AB um creative we had four that were selected from AB creative. Um from the all-inclusive we had eight votes for desired playgrounds for different designs from all-inclusive. from the Vernon Jones. We had eight votes for designs through Vernon Jones. We had three uh two

through Parkscape and two through the playground consultants. Did you were those listed in the order they presented or was that different? Okay. Okay. Well, I I don't know what everybody else if they've been keeping track. I had three of the five and we'll just leave it. That's it's no particular order. I'll go on record and say I liked the miracle one from Burke. I really like the playground consultants um the last presentation based on all the uh inclusivity and that it didn't look too uh intrusive in the area that it would be in. Those were my top two. Vernon Jones with the miracle and what was the other one? The playground consultants park. Thank you. I also like I also like Playground Consultants for the inclusivity and as she pointed out, she's the only one that incorporated the shade into it. That's looking through the the comments that you handed us. I mean, that was the kids all were like, "Oh, best slides." The parents were they were like, "Shade, need some place to sit. Need benches." So, Yep. swings is a must. Like, have to have swings. And and I think she really did a good job of like um including like she took her time to go out there and pull people like hey let me talk to you like what and I think like just the idea of like meeting the needs of all children was I I think one of her presentation strongest

points and I also the um the one that did the Burke and the miracle whatever organization that was. Um, I just haven't been um I I just when he was presenting it seemed like his company can meet the needs like that they're big enough like if things are happening in the future like we've got you have this issue like here's our plan we have a plan we might not be able to get that exact part but we're going to be able to make that a functional part of your playground in the future. I guess from there I would the only other thing I would add is it kind of depends on do we want this to kind of match other playgrounds if you will. You know it's like the the next gen from Parkscape Solutions. I kind of like the the concept of it to be more trendy and edgy, but it doesn't really go with what we have inside our city. So, it's like, do we want it to be trending and edgy because this new and or is just it's going to be new to this area is going to overwhelm everybody anyways? Um the three that I liked the playground consultants um you work with the design that fit the park it was in and the inclus inclusiveness but she didn't spend all the money. This is this is what'll fit. Um Vern and Jones look like a good company that handles stuff in house and they've got

the size experience and AB creative also seemed like they did a good presentation. So, I like the y'all inclusive. Uh, I like their design and I felt like they were very comprehensive their presentation. I thought Burn and Jones did a nice job. They gave us a lot of options, but I think we can tailor it to our needs and our budget. And I also liked Playground Consultants. Uh, I thought she did it she put a lot of thought into what she put together. Variety is key. All of us who had kids or know kids, kids love variety. And as a parent, uh it's really nice to have a place to see your kid enjoy themselves, have some shade, and have a place to have a picnic, lunch, or a bench. So, I thought that her designs really were not just inclusive for the kids, but also for the adults that are attending to them as well. And Mike made a good point that she came in as a low bidder. If we want to incorporate like the Christmas tree spinner andor someone had mentioned something about a different spinner, um we have room there. We have room to do more as well. Where those other ones we were pretty capped out right at the half million mark and hers we had almost $70,000 to work with if need if needed. So I think if I'm hearing from people's feedback and kind of consolidating it, it seemed and I think I have this right.

The top the three vendors that I've heard people reference was AB Creative, Bergen Jones, and Playground Consultants. Would someone like to make a motion to forward those three vendors to the board of alderman? I'll second. All in favor say I. I. I. Good job group. All right. So, I think now we're on to more new business. Um, consideration of a new park name. And our charge is that we are going to advance three three names to the board of alderman. And you have that memorandum if you want to dig around and and see with all the CIA papers today. Um here would be my suggestion that we roll through these. Um everyone has three votes. We'll tally them up. We'll kind of get our top five and then do a second vote to narrow them narrow them down. The other thing that I could maybe suggest because I've gotten some feedback too is that if you absolutely I mean if you're just like yeah I don't I mean none of these names are really sticking out to me. I mean that I'm just saying if that's it then just I mean don't put forward one just because it's you need a third. I mean you know what I'm saying? If you don't like a name and you only have two or whatever, just Okay. or just one, but whatever. Yeah, perfect.

Do people need additional time. Okay. All right. I'm just Yes. No. Okay. I'm just going to roll down the list. Okay. Um, number one was Bluff View Park. Okay. Number two was Deer Path Ridge Park. All right. Number three was Deer Ridge Park. Um, we have number four, Eden Park. Five. Fabic Nature Preserve. Three. I only saw two. Two. Okay. Two. Uh, Fabic Trail Park. F Littlehead Park. Gregory Glenn Park. Hill hill. Oh, we have one for Gregory Glenn. Okay. Um, Hilltop Crossing Park. I like Hilltop Park. Liberty Park, Meadow Park, Monarch Park, New Park. Ask Oak. Oakwood Trails Park. I will state that this may not be known to most, but uh part of that property was actually Oakwood subdivision. That subdivision was kind of interesting. Received that Paradise Park or Simmon Park. I don't know. Queen of Hearts Memorial Park. I do love the homage.

Scenic View Park, Surfside, Surfside Metal Park. Uh, they have Tranquil Park, but I think it would be sound better if it was Tranqu Tranquility Park. It's a mouthful. Yeah, it is. So, so I don't know if everyone voted all three times. I don't like any of them. Okay. Sorry. Okay. None of them. Okay. So, the ones that that had more than one vote were Fabic Nature Preserve, Hilltop Park, and Scenic View Park. My vote was Captivity Park, but I didn't captivity. He was in captivity. Researched the property. Oh, okay. No one was held captive up there. Were they? Mhm. For three days in a shipping container. Oh, nature. There may be some confusion though that that was not part of the Fedic Homestead. So, Hilltop Park. No crossings. No crossings. So, do we want to make a motion to forward our two top vote winners, which would be Hilltop Park and Scenic View Park, to the board of alderman. I make a motion to move the top two names to the board. Or you or you could go we could give it some more. I mean, we haven't even started on that park yet. We could also give it some more name. Give it some I mean this is I I don't have a vote up here as you know. So I'm just throwing this out here. Um we haven't even started on the project

yet. So we could put it back out to the public again or you can submit those names whatever whatever you guys decide and we can't name it after a person anymore. Because I was going to say Joe through a Morath thing, but if he's a problem later on, I get it. You said it. I'm just How How much work is it to put it back out to the public for more nominations? Is it a challenge? They closed it. It's closed. reopen it. Was it that maybe they made a good point because none of us are really wicked thrilled on these. I mean, Hilltop makes the sense. I like the idea of opening back up and maybe we can get three or four. We're a little more excited about because we're not in any rushes, I don't think, to make this determination at this point. Mean you can make a motion or just request to the board that maybe you go back out for I'm fearful of doing the contest because if you get the most for whatever I mean look at the one that we received multiply. Gary, do you have any thoughts? Yeah, he's sleep. I'd like to make a motion that we put it out back to the to put it out to the public as a request for more names.

I second. I didn't like it. All in favor say I. I I It is. It's almost like a meadow. All righty. So I think that we are at the conclusion of the new business and so therefore we're going to move back to the old business. Um and I and I think as it's my understanding from the from our memo is that the cost of the the idea is still we don't know that. So we've been having a a a lot of fun between Amron and the moving company. So Dan has now is in the process of speaking with the moving company having to send photos. The owner was going to come out and look at it again to decide what the true prop needed to be. Uh I believe there's some confusion about the height of the building. Well, understand it's sitting under it's it's sitting under grade of the street. So the owner was going to have to come out and look at it additionally. I will tell you Dan is making contact with them probably at least once a week. It it just we can't get more information than we're able to to obtain it. And I think we have public comments concerning that. I'm Marlon Mley, 509 Main Street, Oldtown Fenton. U this is spontaneous.

Hopefully I won't ramble on too much. I just celebrated my 7th birthday last month, which means I've spent half my life owning property that anchors the northwest end of Oldtown Main Street. I'm very enthusiastic to try to figure out something that could be done cool with Oldtown. We don't have the storefront businesses anymore. And I've talked to a number of police officer friends and others. And I say, "What happens if we do a parade or an art fair on the street?" No parking. So when we started talking about putting that pavilion and its associated parking at the southeast end of Main Street, I went, "Hey, there's a possibility. You could do events around that, for instance." Well, I understand the potential expense is the moving of the power lines. And I'm a trained engineer and also mentally work that way. And I've walked down there twice this week and studied it. This is just by eye. I haven't measured anything. But depending on what the movers supply equipment wise, it looks to me like you could jack that pavilion up about a foot, remove the legs, and drop it on a low flying trailer or whatever they call it. Maybe even cut it in half. It wouldn't be a big deal to cut it in half and splice it back together. Be able to shle that thing under the power lines. At most you've got to move the I think there's AT&T communications type wiring the bottom that might get in the way. So that was one idea. Um I'm assuming that the move is a lot based on the fact that there's no plumbing available where it is now in the flood plane and nobody likes to use portaotties. Well, I've um been thinking to conflict with what I just talked about. Being an engineer, my inclination

is to say that physical problems can be solved. There's the um AT&T building right across Graway from where this pavilion sits now has a flood wall. It's uh they still have the gate closed on the sidewalk today. I walked past it on Main Street. So, it might be possible to engineer a restroom where the thing sits now that's capable of surviving a flood and being barricaded when the time comes and maybe floodproof and you just hose it off when it's done. I don't know what all the it's involved with sewage and stuff, but I know if you've got an engineering problem, you can fix it. And I'm thinking that if you went approached it that way, that may be less expensive than paying AT&T their gazillions of dollars to move the wires. That's just my thought basically. Um, I think that's all I've got on my notes. I can't read them of course since I did it fast, but that was just some ideas that I had. And if if if you develop a committee that wants to talk about this, by all means, holler at me. I'll be glad to to uh jump in and chat because I've I've thought of ideas of having street fairs and such as that. And we can't do it with no parking. And having that pavilion in the new location lets us do that. Of course, we could also put parking there if the pavilion stays in the old spot, but I like the idea of that pavilion because it's so big. You could do the the farmers market and if there any open spots, you could say, "Okay, it's open to flea marketers or something to make it more attractive and fill it." So, that's just what I had in mind. And I also missed the fact that they used to have live entertainment during those the first year. That was just kind of cool. So, anyway, that's all I had to say. Well, thank you for sharing your expertise. We appreciate

it. I think we're moving on to tree advisory board items. Fortunately, there's there's no old business or new business. Oh, I'm sorry. Um, I passed that right on up. Um, so we're going to we're going to we're going to amend the agenda or just we're going to make a motion to move the old business continue it to the next meeting. I'll make that motion. Okay. All in favor? I I Okay. So, can I talk about tree advisory? We have no business. Okay. So, let's let's move on to park reports. And I'm going to challenge everyone to give their park report in 30 seconds or less. Okay. Budw uh everything looked good. Bathrooms looked really good. I didn't walk around too much because everything was so soggy. But um there was some people a couple ladies up there on the up by the you know where they're doing the construction taking senior pictures and I just kind of said um how does everything look up there? You know I didn't want and they said everything looked good. So yeah. Yeah. All right. Moving on to Mayor Mac Greenway. All right. Can you hear me? Okay, we can. Okay. I've had a lot of inter internet not accessible interruptions here, but uh the the greenway looked pretty good. One of the pipe railings in a fence north of the boardwalk has come out. Uh it it's doesn't present any danger, but it happens to still be laying there on the river side of the fence. So, at least we could retrieve that whenever it gets to be fixed. There's a new low spot in the black top

about 100 yards north of the boardwalk. It doesn't appear to be where any fill had gone across with the dump trucks and it uh it's collects water. It's still got some water in there not draining. I don't know what caused it, but I see the river bank has dished out and several more or maybe just gotten worse in some of the places. And that erosion not only comes from the river. Dan probably could tell me if this is right. It appears water. There's not a lot of drains on the road at that point. So water comes maybe from as far as low points in the golf course across there, but it's really really eroding not just the river bank, but some of the grassy areas and other places. So that I don't think it's going to reach the river road, but I mean that's getting getting to where it's kind of critical that some some we got to figure out what to do with the water or get some more fill in there. That's it. Thanks, Gary. All right, Riverside Park. Uh, Riverside Park has had a branch down that's been roped off for probably a month or more, and I didn't know what the ETA was for taking that down. Is that Fenton property or is that that homeowner that's right there? Um, it's right next to what is that? Larkin Williams, right? Anyway, you'll know what it is. And then, uh, Valiant Park looks good. And I see in the capital plans that uh we're replacing the roof on the bathroom, which is much needed since it's uh pretty holy from the bees. Thank you. All right, Westside. Uh Westside Park looked good. The only challenges, couple minor ones. I sent pictures to Dan. Uh we got a new tree down that's blocking the pathway. Um the other tree I mentioned on the last meeting is it's off the park. It's off

off the walkway, but it's a pretty big tree that probably needs to be taken down cuz it's broken in half. And then lastly, uh there's a walkway toward the pond that has water going across it and it's extremely slippery. Uh there's an orange cone that's put put out there, which is good. Um but it's like walking on ice. It's really dangerous. So Daniel, those pictures are in your inbox. Thanks, Jay. Uh Mike, you're up with Fabic Nature Preserve. Fabic's looking pretty good. Um the ponds are both really nice. Um because it was so wet, I walked the path all the way down to um Niser Mill and that entrance, that sign on the entrance up the uh driveway there is very sunfaded and weathered. Can't read the warning, the disclaimer warning. But well, um, public works has been in there and they did grading on the roadways and they smoothed out the gullies and the potholes and that all looked real good. Thanks, Mike. Um, Funen City Park. We did a bunch of work on the Penins Island. I guess that's by Riverside. Um, it's hopping. Things are going on down there. I have some thoughts about the basketball courts, but I will save that for the next meeting. All right, we have Heroes Memorial. Yeah, the only thing I really noticed there was the the plaques on the river side of the memorial, like especially the one for the police officers. The corners are coming loose. I mean, I was able to get my finger underneath one. Um, somebody's going to rip them off just to be a jerk, unfortunately. Um on those just to give you guys an update, we had ordered uh put out for bid and getting the marble etched um wedged

ones. Unfortunately, the marble is on back order and those are temporary uh signs that they put in until those marbles come in. Like I said, I the only that was the only thing I really noticed and just unfortunately people will do it just to do it. And then Oldtown Park Plaza just general landscaping. Hey, weeds are coming up. Who knew? It's just the season. No. Do we know when the uh park signs for Fenton City Park are getting installed yet? The big boulders. What? It's been raining and and the biggest Yeah. Not only does Dan just only five maintenance workers um with public works, but also it it is truly the ground conditions where these contractors can't get in with their and and even with the tree that we're discussing to get the equipment in there that you need the ruts that it's going to leave. Valiant Park, that's what I was thinking about. Everything is in queue. I'm should have multiple projects already completed this year that we haven't even started on. Okay. One of the wetest April. Yeah. Ever. Yes. So, um just be patient. Um but yeah, the like with the Valiant Park pad, the contractor's ready to go. He's just waiting for dry time and he was hoping to start with the signs this week because really he just wants to make sure the conditions are correct to get the peers in for the signs. So, yeah, we could just have a couple of days of no rain. That would be so helpful. All right. So then we're going on to announcements of any additional information you guys would like to share with us. We'll have provided kind of the updates on the different projects and I'll tell you that's a moving target. I can give that get to you guys on Friday and it's different by by Tuesday with some of those. But um there's a lot of as you

can see there's a lot of bids out right now. So um getting those in. Turn my mic on. Um the uh food truck Friday, Friday, May 16th. Um got some great music and food trucks coming that evening. Uh May 17th in the morning is the fishing derby at Westside Park, right? Yeah. I don't think so. And um I don't know. Um and then later that day, uh May 17th at the fire station over uh in the property, the old Chrysler property is the um 30th anniversary of the partnership between St. Louis County and St. Louis County Police Department and the city of Fenton. And they will be a celebration over there from 12 to 3. Um yeah, and any items that were uh forwarded to the board of alderman last month were also passed by the board. That's all I have. All right. Thank you. Um, our next meeting is going to be Monday, June 2nd. And if we can get a motion to adjurnn. Motion to adjurnn. Do we have a second? Second. All in favor say I. I.