Planning Commission - Special Meeting

call this meeting of the Coffee County Planning Commission to order on April the 1st, 2025 at 4:00. Uh the first thing we'll ask is for approval of the agenda. I'll make a motion to approve. I second that motion. I've got a motion and a second. All those in favor say I. I. All those opposed. Okay. Uh we are going to have public comments. So who wants to go first? Don't everybody come at once. Yeah. Speaking. Will we have a chance to speak after you've gone over what you're going to be voting on? Yes. You want you want to do it that way? Okay. Yes, sir. All right. The first thing that we're going to do, we've got uh four uh resolutions or four items that we've passed already. uh we would uh try to make a decision as to whether we want to run those in front of the county commission individually or as one. And mayor, I would uh ask you to say something to that effect. Do you have an idea or so everybody can hear me? Uh speaking with the county attorney and others, it uh I think it might be a pretty good idea if we separated those those

individual items, the amendments that we that you guys discussed in past in the meeting before last. Any other comments? Rodney, Sammy, do I have a motion that we separate those items? I make a motion to separate. Randy makes a motion that we present those items separately. Do I have a second? I'll second. Have a second for Mr. L. We're starting out the same way we did the last time we did. Uh, any discussion about that? Any more discussion? All those in favor say I. I. Oppose. So the next time that this these items get take taken to the agenda put on the agenda, I will have our attorney prepare separate resolutions. Please do that. Okay. We're going to discuss amendments concerning major subdivisions in and in the A1 zone in regards to water service setbacks and road frontage. Uh it's been a big conversation about infrastructure. Uh, and that seems to be a problem and it seems to be a problem because it seems to be lacking. Uh, Randy has done quite a bit of research on this for us. Uh, Randy, would you tell us a little bit about

what Rutherford County requires as the up in upgrades of infrastructure? Well, I also talked to Tau today about this and I know a lot of people don't like it, but developers are starting to pay for upgrades in Rutherford County. They've been doing it for years. I've got a develop developers agreement right here that Rutherford County requires. And number six in the developer agreement specifies if in the determination of the district the existing water line distribution system up to or within the above described property which would be the subdivision requires expansion, upsizing or upgrading in order to accommodate providing water service to the property. Developer agrees to expand, upsize, or upgrade the existing water line system according to the district's specification and plans at the developer's expense. Now, I know a lot of people, I'm sure, do not like that, but and I know this isn't Rutherford County, and I'm not trying to say it is, but look at Rutherford County, how it's growing. Do you know, and also I saw an article that said that the upgrade for infrastructure ought to be put on the taxpayers and also the rateayers. Well, utilities do not get tax money. Okay? They don't get any tax money. Now, they might get a grant

occasionally from the USDA that's to expand water to customers that need water, safe water. Okay. Now also um trying to think there was something else I was going to say. Um but like I say I mean it's you know they don't also Rutherford County has not you seen the way they're growing. Rutherford County has not had a rate increase on water in 10 years. Who's paying for all the infrastructure? The developers. They're doing the roads. I can take you out there and show you job after job that developers are paying. Now, the thing is developers are paying this infrastructure upgrading it because it opens up more territory. Okay? I mean, you think about it. You go out. Yes. Okay. I want to put in put in a subdivision down the road here. I've got to put in one prime example as a a uh and I know he has seen it off Kingwood Lane, Kingwood Road in Murphy'sboro. A developer put in three miles of 16inch ductal. We're talking millions, couple millions. 16inch ductal. Now, Calby County don't need no 16inch duct ductal. No. But he put it in in his expense because he's doing a development of about 400 houses at the end of that line. He had to get the water there. Did the utility pay for it? No. If you want the water, we've got the

water. If you want it, you going to pay to get it there. And also another thing you need to think about, we keep adding on to these small utilities that's here in Coffee County. A utility has a maximum amount that they can make a day set by Tekk. That is state regulations. Okay? If they meet that maximum amount and you don't have no upgrades, what's going to happen? You're gonna see R CPY county's growth stop because you're not going to be able to do any more subdivisions because once they make that amount, they can't do anymore. So that's another thing you need to think about the upgrades. Yes, it it benefits the residents, but it also devel also benefits the developers. I I I've seen case after case of that. I've seen a I can show you down on Rocky Fork Road. Two developers went in together, ran a line, a 12-in line down Rocky Fork Road. Right now, there's five to six subdivisions off of that one road. 10 years ago, there was nothing. So, Coffee County needs to get up to date. Developers need to pitch in and help upgrade the infrastructure. Like I said, I mean, you're the ones make you're the ones want to put subdivision there. The rate payers aren't. The taxpayers aren't. You are. Thanks, Randy. Appreciate that. So, and

also right here's another prime example real quick. Burgess down in man Murphy'sboro. He's building a subdivision in 66 homes. He's putting in water lines getting to it. He's also doing road construction. And you can read this. It's in the newspaper down in Murphy'sboro. He's doing road construction at intersections that are not even joining the property to help the county and stuff. And there is several articles like that in, you know, around Murphy Commission challenges. I was just looking real quick here. But like I said, I mean, you're you're welcome to look at this because I mean, like I say, he's doing three intersections. road founding plans. That's the developer. So, like I said, we're not trying to stop the growth. This community is not trying to stop the growth in Coffee County. We're trying to look out for the infrastructure and the county itself because eventually them infrastructures are going to be maxed out. And like I said, when it does, then your growth is going to stop. And I've seen it happen. I've been in the utility for 37 years. And I've seen it happen. When a you when a water utility cannot pump no more, that's it. Thank you. Thank you. When's the last time, Sam? When's the last time that you can remember that Hillsville had a rate increase on water? Can you remember one? Yeah, we've had one recently, but it was because the water we buy went up, so we

had to we had to pass it along. And what do you do you have any idea where you are as far as what your capacity could be? No, I do not. Okay. Okay. Just just just asking the question. Does anybody want to reply to what Randy had to say? Mayor, is it not true that the developers that put in the lines recover the cost of that and somebody else ties on their line? No. When a developer puts in a line, that line is tested, disinfected, it is tested, sampled, and then once it's put in service, it becomes the utility's responsibility after a year warranty by the developer. My question sir is is if I put a line in two miles and then somebody else that puts another subdivision in that line, do they not have to pay the fe the developer? That could that could be an agreement between you and that utility if you wanted to. ours. No, I mean there there is no you can Yeah. I mean that's between you and the utility in Rutherford County. No, if you put in two m if that guy put in that three miles of six 16inch ductal and I go out there and build a subdivision a mile down it and tap that line, that line's not his no more. That line is is the utilities. So they pay the utility to tap that line for tapping that line, not not the contractor that put it in. But like I said, I have heard cases in the past and other utilities where the developer did hold a margin of ownership on that line. That's what I'm right. That's what I'm

saying. But I'm just I'm speaking from where my experience. Okay. Uh but like I say, no that after that year warranty, soon as that soon as that line is tested and approved by samples, distribution samples on it, that line becomes and it's turned on, that line becomes consolidated, but the warranty is a year. In thinking about that, you know, if I spent money, like you said, $3 million to go down there, don't you think it would be if somebody jumps in between me and there another portion of that. Like I said, that's between you and the utility. I all I can do is speak for my where my that I know. Okay. But the thing is, I mean, that's just like I mean, like I say, he spent I don't know how much money on that 16 inch and everything, but before he did that, he asked about a subdivision. His subdivision was going to be about a 100 houses was all he was going to be able to have. Now it's close to 400. So, yes, he might have to pay some upfront. But he's coming out ahead in the long run because he's also now he can go back a mile down the road and tap that line or we'll tap it for him and he can take off from there and that opens up all that three miles of expansion through there and you know exactly what I'm talking about. Well, has it you know he is enabling somebody along that that owns property to develop theirs without

experiences has policy. I'm not sure exactly what it is on rural development, but they do have policy that they will follow. Let's move on. Okay. For the benefit of our viewing audience, Charles Miller asked the question, if as a developer, if he put in three miles of waterline and somebody tapped in at the one and a half mile mark for another development, shouldn't he be reimbursed for some of his cost to put that line in? And I think the answer was it's up between him and the utility. Him and the utility. I'd like to say something. Should I come up or we're streaming these meetings, so if you're not on camera and you're not in a microphone, it does the public no good. So, yes, sir. Thanks for coming up. I'm I'm used to being the the u the target here, so it's all good. Uh Nicholas Northcut, Northcut surveying. Um, I just wanted to throw out a couple of um alternatives to this idea and I I just wanted to ask um you know like these examples that have been thrown out are for huge developments. You know, 600 houses and 400 houses is what you just said. Yeah. But a major division in Coffee County is five or more lots. So, what y'all are talking about would apply to somebody just trying to do We're getting to that. We're fixing to get to that. Okay. But go ahead. Go ahead. But no, there's subdivisions in Rutherford County. That's like 50 lots like out there off of Airport Road that the developer had to run a 8 inch line to to supply that subdivision and also to supply the fire far protection for that subdivision. I can show you one right here. Stag Horn. Stag Horn out there at Fosterable. They had to run an 8 in line

down there to it and up into and actually run a 12 in up in the subdivision just to build these houses. And there's approximately the first phase was approximately this much and then second phase is this much but altogether you're looking at maybe 60 houses. Go ahead. I'm sorry I interrupt you. Um, well, but I I'm wondering why the county is making the these requirements that are so much more strict than the state requirement because a developer can't install and approve a water line. The utility company can't install a water line and approve it. It's only the state that can do it. And the state has no requirements for fire protection. Yes, they do. They have a requirement that if you're like if you're going to put a hydrant, it's got to go on a 6 in line. It's got to go on a 6 in line. Well, then why is Hillsville and West Warren able to run a 2-in line down a county road to serve people? Because that does not have fire protection and they don't have fire protection. Nick, there's an email. Here's an email strictly from Tex field office in Nashville. The headfield office says it's a minimum 6 in 500 gallons for fire protection. For fire protection, but the but the utility companies aren't providing fire protection. They're not they don't have to. It's not a state requirement on purpose. Keep talking, please. So, I had to sit in a a meeting with Wes Warren. And the lady um who is the manager there, her name is Kelly Canrell. she said or what she was kind of doing was she was kind of complaining that they're having to maintain hydrants that the county requires to put in and she said we are not in the business of providing fire protection. So if the

state has no requirement to put in a water line and provide fire protection, then why would the county requires you to put in six in the state requires you to put in six inch lines with fire hydrants every so often to meet fire protection codes, not to serve people with water. There used to be a program and I don't know mayor if it's still a program here where the water utility the state or the county would buy the pipe and the water utility would lay the pipe. That was the USDA grants that and that that was the program here. Yes. You had to lay 6 inch line and you had to put fire hydrants on that 6 inch line. Didn't say anything about minimum fire flow. What we're talking about is there minimum fire flow or is there not minimum fire flow? Okay. What Nick's saying is you don't have to have fire protection to build a house according to the state. You what if you what y'all want to do is pass that you can't build a house here if it doesn't have fire protection. That's fine. But let's get it right. He's right. You can build a house without fire protection. Do you can build a house without fire protection? Yes, you can. But you're but y'all are arguing fire protection. That's not what he's arguing. He's saying you don't have to have fire protection to build a house. If we want to pass, you have to have fire protection. That's fine, but you can't require fire protection without passing that first. We are trying to add some protection and some safety to building in the county. I get what you're saying. I said pass it that you have to have fire protection. That's not what he's arguing. Well, you're you're sitting there saying he's wrong and he's not. Well, so I do know of an instance. There was a gentleman that I was working for who was trying to do I think it was like a 25 lot division on Gossberg Road in Beach Grove. It was on the It was uh it was past Pawsum Paw up on the left. Yep. And so

uh West Warren had the pressure. They've got a fire t they've got a fire tower, excuse me, a water tower and they had the ability to provide him fire flow and they wouldn't because they don't have to because it's not a state requirement and that's not stuff that they want to put in. They also well and he offered to pay to run it back to the source and they would not do it. So, if you've got a utility company that's not required to do it, and the state requirement is not that you have to do it, then you know what y'all are asking is is beyond what the utility companies are willing to provide. I'm not I'm not asking for a utility to run a six or 8 in for fire protection. I'm asking the developer to upgrade it to a water supply for that subdivision. If it to 6 in, fine. That's good fireflow if you've got it. Don't mean you have to you don't have to necessarily have it, but you've got to upgrade these lines. They're putting subdivisions on 4 inch lines. Do you know how much water's in a 4 inch line or 1T 4 inch line? No, I'm not a water guy. 65 gallons. Okay. A half a gallon per foot in two inch 4 in. So that's what I'm saying. The problem is you got these utilities just like Hillsboro is that they're building these on 4 in lines and you got 30 40 houses on that 4 inch line. Eventually you're going to reach your max on that line. And when you do you're going to have people with no water. Is that not up for the utility company to decide though? No. Well, the utility company decides it. I mean, they know, don't they? Like, we sitting around this table. We don't know what their capacity is. They do. And the state does, but why

are we making rules when we're not the water professionals? I'm not trying to make the rule. I'm trying to get the developers to put in on the jobs. Let's let's let's hold up just a minute, Rodney. Uh, we're not saying that you need to have fire protection to build a home. I don't I didn't hear that come from anybody. What I did here was and what we're talking about is lot sizes the and if you want to go down to a smaller lot size, you're going to have to have fire protection water. That's just that's just all there is to it. I think in our it's already in our book. He's saying the state doesn't require that. The state already has a lot size without fire protection. The state already has a mandate for that. It works now. The last major state literally already has that covered. Like it's it's it's working. The existing Oh, I'm tired of hearing that. Did you just say the last major subdivision was in ' 07 on Palm Road? Yes, sir. Or or the last major one with road and infrastructure. Okay. Thank you. You finally cleared it up. with roads. I actually have said and written that our last major subdivision, it was in a letter to the Tennessee was 9 years ago. We've had lots of major subdivisions without roads in the last nine years. So, how is that more beneficial when you've got a developer that wants to do it right, build roads and build new infrastructure rather than piggybacking off of existing roads? More beneficial. But you made it out to believe that we've not had any major subdivisions. That's what the codes guy told me. That major subdivisions where these major developments that they're talking about with infrastructure is what I was referring to. He said that he said told you with roads. So please try to be more accurate if you can. Okay. If we want I

appreciate what y'all do by the way that you can't build a major sub flow we need to do that but he's saying what you do right now but I I represent probably thousands of people that I have worked for over the years that this is going to impact. Okay, the average Joe, that's who this is going to impact. Okay, how's it how is it going to impact them? The developer pays for the upgrade because it goes into the house he sells. He ain't losing money. Exactly. Because it all goes into the house he sells. Yeah. He ain't losing money. He's not going to lose money. But that three miles he built at the end of that line. Yeah. But those other people down there are the people along that line is guaranteed water. If you take a 4 inch line and you run it down there and run it into a subdivision that's got 50 houses, eventually that 4 inch is going to reach its maximum. And when it does, what happens? No water, no pressure. Well, the utility company will tell you that, not us. Well, I'm not trying to say. I'm just saying the developer needs to help. Is there is there water language in our in our zoning resolution? is our do we have water language in our zoning resolution in the subregs there's uh all through our zoning resolution there there's water language okay if you haven't read it I'd suggest you go back and read it okay and you're done oh all right well hey appreciate your time I'll be back up on the next that'll be good anybody everybody enjoy that Okay. Uh, anybody else have anything to say about water?

Yes. Mike Brian. I'm a farmer out in Asbury. Uh, I've been coming to these since the old Airport Road subdivisions come up. And the very first meeting was in the big room and the planning committee made a statement that they were worried about litigation from the county concerning all this. Uh water flow fire protection. I believe it's Lincoln County just had an issue where they approved something with fire protection that didn't have adequate fire protection. Now the county's getting sued. The utility the utility is getting sued. I believe that T deck does have some requirements concerning fireflow. Quinn, am I correct in right? Mhm. All right. So, if this there's a lot of confusion about the zoning amendments, uh that there's a minimum of five acres. That is without coming in full in front of the full commissioners. I would encourage everybody to go back and read these amendments carefully as to what they are and what they truly mean. You can still build houses in the rural A1 areas under less than five acres. It just has to go through the full county commission approval. We we we all could take a deep breath and figure out how to get through this to where it benefits. The infrastructure is adequate and safe. If the planning committee is and the county commissioners are concerned with litigation, safety should be priority number one. Road widths, adequate traffic, adequate water flow, adequate fire flow. This should be a no-brainer to me. and who's and as a t a taxpayer a land taxpayer and a fairly large one I don't want it going towards infrastructure to put the developers I don't have anything against the developers but I don't want to pay for it and I don't think the majority of the taxpayers in this county want to pay for it so it's a fair request to push the burden back to the developers to get the

infrastructure required for public safety thank you thank you mayor Can I clear up one thing? There's been a lot of confusion regarding water. Uh the zoning resolution uh revised in 2006, that's 19 years ago, has always had fireflow language in it. And it is for I'm going to read it. This is the language in our zoning resolution. For purposes of this resolution, the term minimum fire flow shall mean a 500galon per minute water flow calculated at 20 pounds per square inch residual pressure delivered from a water line that is 6 in or greater in diameter. The only thing we've changed is added the words continuous to the point of origin just so that there's not a 6-in line laying out here, but it's actually connected to a 4 inch line or something. It's just it just clears it up, makes it uh that's the only change we've made to their water language for those that thinks this is something we just pulled out of our hat. Anyone else? Okay, let's go on to uh the set let's go on to setbacks. Uh originally in our zoning resolution, the front side and rear setbacks. The front is 50 in all areas in all lot sizes. The rear was

5050 50 or 50 feet in all zones. And that's side and rear. Now a year and a half or two ago that was changed to 2525. That was a meeting that I was not I miss one meeting a year maybe and I missed that. Okay. I'm pretty sure you were at that meeting. No, I was not. No, I was not. I promise you I was not or I would have fought that thing tooth and nail. We tried to pass that before in 2017 and 2018 and our volunteer fire departments came unglued. I think you just had the most educated fireman in here tell you it ain't necessary. Who's the most educated fireman? Yeah, Phil Duncan. The one that's taught every one of your volunteers here. The man that spent 45 years on the fire department and 35 years teaching at the state fire school. I don't want to hear what a volunteer fireman said. I want the man that gets paid to train them. Well, and that man told you in the last meeting, and I'm about tired of this coming up three or four times, that that doesn't need to be done. He fought fire here for 45 years. Out of order, Rodney. Okay. Just just I that I I'm worried about Summitville, Hillsboro. We fought with them, too. Union. How many fires have you fought between? I fought a ton with Hickerson Station. How about between Hey, that's over there by Toma. How about between Ninth Model and Viola? Answer the question. What's that? How many hill How many fires have you fought specifically in the Hillsboro district? I haven't fought any in the Hillsboro district, but he probably has. How about in Beach Grove? How about Beach Grove? How many be fought in Beach Grove? Probably none in Beach Grove. Okay. How about But that has nothing to do with the same distance. It's the same thing. Whether it's Hickerson Station, Beach

Grove, Hillsboro, it's all the same firefighting. It's It may fire it for 30 years. Okay. The man taught based on his experience as a firefighter. No, he didn't. He taught for the state. He taught all the volunteers. Hold on. We're not going to go down that road. Okay. We're not going to go down that road. We're talking about the setbacks. I don't I I was not at that meeting. I can promise you that I was not at that meeting. I would have fought it tooth and nail. You don't need 100t between houses. All right. Uh I now I'm bringing it back up again. And I do not think that in these rural areas, in the A1 areas, that we need to have I don't know how many of you have ever have ever set a brush a brush pile on fire, which doesn't burn usually as hot as a house, but Sammy, if you stand 50 feet from a brush fire, don't you send your eyebrows off? Yes, sir. Okay. I just that that's a question I wanted to ask. Uh, I would like to discuss changing and we've heard Rodney's point of view, but I would like to see us go back to the 5050 uh 50 front, 50 sides and rear. Uh, anybody in the audience want to discuss that? This would be in the absence of fireflow. This would be That's right. This would be in the absence of fireflow. I just have to stand up. Oh, I thought I was waiting very anybody any any thoughts on any of this? The one thing I did know and I meant to bring it with me. Apparently that's the one thing I

forgot. I did look up the ISO for several of the fire departments around here, the volunteer one especially. A ISO rating is a rating that the insurance companies give the fire departments on fire flow, fire protection, the equipment they've got, and you know, their men and everything. It's a rating they get. Okay. The ISO in several of the brown places around here are five to six, not FI17. Okay. The ISO ranges from 1 to 10, one being the best. So that tell you know our volunteer firefighters, God bless them. My hats off to them. They do all they can. And I know there's a lot of territory, but it is a lot of territory out there. And you know how long I've seen fires myself and I've seen by the time the volunteer fire departments got there a house burning just right up the road from me. Thank God it was nobody in it. But the time the fire department got there, that house was gone. It was basically foundation left. Okay. because it was in the middle of the night. All right. I know they're volunteers. Like I said, my hats off to them and everything. But another thing, too, I mean, Tennessee is ranked fifth worst in the nation for fire fatalities. Now, you know, that's what I'm saying. I mean, I think we need to do everything we can to help prevent you, especially in the rural

areas and stuff. So, that's all I got to say. And and like I said, from the time this took effect in 2001 to 2022 or three, the setbacks were what I'm trying to go back to. So, do y'all know how many houses have burned from their neighbors houses? I don't have a I don't have a number on that, but I know there have been some. Name one, Aaron. I'm not the expert. I don't know a single one. Did 24 years. Like I said, I mean, you fought over in my part of the world. I did fight in your part of the world. I fought with Hickor Station. It's no different. That's not my part of the world. It's the same part of the world. It's all Coffee County. It's all rule. All right, guys. I'd like to add this fire flow, water, all that. You don't have to look back too far in newscast of the fires in Hawaii, the fires in California where they have straight line winds. And this is I think that's the reason that we had the fireflow language put in here to begin with to separate the houses uh to where they would not. I advocated for taking those uh restrictions out, but the fire the the day we uh voted on this the first time in the full legislative body, the fire chief of Manchester, all fire chiefs of our volunteer fire departments came and begged us not to change it. They nobody nobody is trying to say that in the rural areas they hook a hose onto a fire hydrant and fight the fire with it. They have nurse tanks. They need to be able to get to a fire flow hydrant, fill those nurse tanks up to get those uh engines back full of water where they can. Uh and that is the logic and the

reason behind the major setbacks and the fireflow line. fought off nurse steak before. Thank you. But as for Hawaii, I just left a month before that fire. Their houses roofs hang over each other. That's totally different than 50 feet to 100 ft. Not even a comparable incident. 25 and 25 is 50 ft. 25 20 feet between houses. That's plenty. You don't need 100. I know Mr. Seagrove's uh part of your resolution dealt with this. It was pretty short. Do I? It was pretty short. I don't have it. All I have it is on my phone. Do you have a copy for you right here? Oh, okay. Would you like to speak to that or on the setbacks? Essentially, I stated leave it as Let me get up here. Leave it as is because the planning commission recently voted on this. We were We're fine with leaving it as it was. Yes. It's not in there. It's Anybody want to see it? Anybody else want to speak to speak to this real quick? Putting in the water lines or setbacks. Step up the microphone. Um, your name is sorry, Sarah Bradley. And, uh, I've really been trying to see this from both sides. And what I'm frustrated with, it happens all the time, but we seem to be looking at this as a black and white. They either pay for the infrastructure all the way to the origin or they pay for nothing, upgrade nothing. We either double the setbacks

or we leave them the same. I'm just I'm a middle ground person and I'm wondering what compromise we could come up with and I wonder of course it'd be a little more complicated, but what's occurring to me in real time as y'all are talking is um I'm wondering if it'd be appropriate to base setbacks on the nearest hydrant that meets fireflow. like if there's one right down the road, then maybe the setbacks aren't as big. If it's 2 miles away, I I can't speak to that. We need to talk to firefighters and the utilities. Um and uh since I'm up here, the I'm glad you brought up the share cost sharing. There's something in Manchester's code about that. If someone runs a water line and someone else taps in, they get paid back a little bit. That's fair, but I know that's beyond y'all's scope. That's the the utilities. But, uh, I just hope I know there's there's a lot of emotion behind this. I've felt it, too, and, uh, had good moments and not so good moments, but I just, let's figure out, let's find some middle ground. I think it's there. Um, and I just that's it. Thank you. Thank you. Any more discussion? Let's go back to the table here. You clarify I know you care for you on the clock. Nicholas Northcut again. Uh I just wanted to reiterate Yeah. that it was just a year that we were having this argument. It was Mayor Hunt who? No, it was Commissioner Hunt. That's

right. Commissioner Hunt, excuse me. Yes, sir. Mayor Hunt, don't vote on anything. Okay. Yes, sir. Excuse me. Uh, who was, you know, instrumental in helping us get that passed, but just as a surveyor, you brought that before the planning commission yourself, right? Uh, no. I think that was the easement thing that Tim Brown brought up and asked me to speak on that night. But no, I hadn't brought anything up. Okay. You didn't bring up changing the setback. No, I'd love to. Okay. But uh no, uh I've been uh I mean since um 2014 I've been doing this and I average about 400 jobs a year. So, I've done a lot of jobs and what I can say with the set and just in regards to the setback thing that was a major um incumbrance on people and I'm not talking about developers trying to do subdivisions, but people just trying to carve off a lot for junior on their land. Like, you would not believe how hard this was on people. So, I was relieved when it was 25 foot across the board. And I want to remind everybody that 25 foot is more than any other county around us. And I don't think they want their people to burn any more or less than we want ours to burn. But like the like we have already with 25 ft the most restrictive side setbacks, side and rear setbacks than any other county. And all I would ask is that if there's going to be change made on the setbacks, let's make it based on data from Coffee County and let's see how many houses that were 50 feet apart have burned their neighbor's house. Let's see how many of those there

actually have been before we make a change that will be what I can tell you from my personal work would be very burdensome on the people. And trust me, like most people, they don't want to have the minimum between their neighbors. They want to have as much space. That's why they move out to the county. They want to have as much space as they can. And I get that because I live out in the county and I want nothing but trees and fields around me, too. But like we see so many times in just minor divisions where having to have 100 feet in between two houses just made it impossible to do stuff with their land. I mean, they might have five acres and if their h, you know, if it's only 150 foot wide and their house is in the middle of it or something like I mean, you automatically just can't divide it. Even if you've got plenty of land back behind it for Junior to build on, I'm I'm just saying like that's a very um that's a very farreaching um requirement. And even if y'all did decide to change it based on data, I would consider something other than 50 feet. Like anything other than 50 because that is I mean look at your own bulk restrictions as it is now. If you do a 1 acre lot in the county, the minimum width on that is 125 ft. Well, you know, you have to go to an acre if you don't have fire flow. So, if you've got 50 foot side setbacks on the minimum required lot, then that leaves you with a 25 foot wide building envelope, which is not I mean, you can't build a house on that. Are you going to build a shotgun house on 125 foot wide lot? Like, it it doesn't make sense, but um well, I mean, it already is that way. When you're 8/10 of an acre, it's 100 feet in width. But if you're not meeting the fire, this is what a lot of people I don't think understand. Like you can get down to 8/10 of an acre only if you hit

the jackpot and you've got your fire protection and you've got all the requirements in place, then you get to do 8/10en of an acre. But if you don't have that fire protection, they do make you have bigger lots. It does get bumped up to an acre. Your lot has to be wider. It's got to be 25 foot wider. And then if you don't have water at all, then it gets a 2 acre minimum at 150 ft of width. So, we've already got we've already got more strict lot sizes and setbacks than any other county that surrounds us except for more now with, you know, the 5 acre thing. There you go. Uh, but they're half the size of us and they're trying to kill commercial and residential development. So, if if you're trying to kill it, these are good things to vote through. But if we're trying to kill growth, and this is not just growth, this is not for people from California coming in. This is for people in Coffee County that can't find housing right now. And that, you know, I mean, that those are the people that are going to be affected much more than the developers cuz like you said, Mr. Herrell, like if they're going to build 400 lot division, it's going to be worth it to them to run a mile of 6 in water line. They can do it. But the guy trying to carve a lot off for his son or his daughter, those are the people that are gonna they're they're gonna they're going to eat this more than any developer will. How how are they going to if you're trying to buy a lot off for your son or relative, how does that got to do with the development of a subdivision? I'm just saying the requirements that y'all are putting in general are very burdensome. Not just to a developer. I mean, my point is it's not just to the developer, but it's to the average person trying to do a very small division of property like a one lot division. Okay. Mr. Chairman, can I ask a question? Yeah. Point clarification. If if we're discussing subdivision

requirements in the A1 rural areas, major subdivision requirements, and these setbacks are pertaining only to major subdivision requirements. Is his point, is it not? It wouldn't it would not fall under if I would cut the lot off for my son, it wouldn't fall under a major subdivision, would it not? It just it fall under a subdivision, but not a major. No. So, it would not be necessarily restricted to this set. Mayor, as I understand it, our bulk requirements of setbacks would apply to all lots, minor, major major. But in rebuttal to your comments, I sat on the board of zoning appeals uh until I became mayor. No one ever came before the board of zoning appeals needing to reduce that 50-foot sideyard setback and were refused. No one. We always approved a smaller setback. And what it did do though is all the individuals that had the property, we actually did them a favor scooting their house over a little bit because then they got room for out buildings and all of that. But the people that needed it closer are closer. They never got refused. Well, that's because they never made it that far. Because we've have been told, you know, that you cannot ask or apply for a variance for a new division. You can only apply for a variance in a pre-existing condition. So there again, if you've got your five acre tracks and your lots right in the middle, you can't go and apply for a variance to get an easement or or or to get a flag stem to the back because you're creating an an non-compliant situation. It would only apply to an existing situation. So that's why you didn't hear about them because they never bothered to pay the fee to go ask for a variance that they

weren't going to get because you're not allowed to give it as I understand for for a new situation. I mean now if that's something that is on the table then it would certainly be something that I would want to advise my clients on. I would think that a a conceptual minor subdivision that was brought to the attention of our codes enforcement office that looked as though 50 foot sideyard would not work that they would be instructing them to ask for the variance along with the approval for the minor subdivision. That's I can't think of an example where somebody did not get to do what they wanted to do regarding the side setback. I mean, I can think of 50 of them, but but there again, did any of them go forward? Are you just thinking you're just thinking 50 hypotheticals or No, I'm talking about instances where I had to turn people down because they didn't have enough room in between an existing house and either another existing house or a property line. Guys, there's they've got five foot side setbacks in Canon County. You know, one thing I ask you not to do, you keep talking about this county and that you brought up Rutherford County. It's fair game. It's fair game county. That's what I want. I just want data from Coffee County before we start changing the setbacks to something that that I deal with on a daily basis, guys. I deal with it every day and I see how it affects. It's not the developers that this affects. It affects the small guy. I just wanted to to say that you were you were talking about them not being able to do what they wanted on the because of their setbacks just now that you had 50 something that was refused. Yes, sir. Did those 50 ever go to the county? They didn't get that.

We've been instructed to not advise them to go to the county because you can't apply for a variance. Who instruct you do that? the enforcer variances for lots of record existing lots. If you're creating lots after the zoning law was approved and you have to to develop your subdivision by our zoning laws where you don't ask for. Okay. Yeah. That's I was want to make sure I didn't know lots of record existing lots prior to the zoning law. Okay. That's I was asking to clear it up. I make a motion we push this until somebody can do a study on how many houses caught the house next to them on fire with 50 feet apart. Harris, I put just a second. Uh yes, ma'am. Forgive me. As we talk about other counties in comparison to these setbacks and and correct me if I'm wrong, I don't have the education on this. Would that not Would it not have to be drawn into the equation what the county budget is for our firefighters to support them in their job? Should these We We don't We do not have a countywide fire department. That's what I thought. That's my point. Okay. Yes, ma'am. So, I'm the exact example that Mr. North brought up. I have the exact situation. I want to carve out that one to one and a half acre piece of property and my son was going to have to try to find a shotgun house to put on it because we have 150 ft. Take 50 that gives you 50 foot which really realistically is probably less. But then you get into the point where they want to start turning their house these double wides or or modular homes sideways and they don't look right on the property. And I am here this

reason to learn this today because we're in the middle of working on it right now and it makes a big difference as to how big is your lot? It's about 135 to 150 foot the area that we want to give them. But how big is your whole lot? Oh, nine acres. That's what because yes nine acres and fighting with it because of the setbacks and things, right? Two years ago it's thin. You see, that's the thing. When you go by acres, you don't know if it's 200 foot wide and 10,000 foot long or if it's 5,000 feet wide and 200 feet deep. You can't do that. We have nine acres. Um I believe we're 400 I'm sorry, 900 by 450 by 900. I can't remember the numbers, but whatever. We are we have I think we're 900. Whatever makes nine acres were pretty much a rectangle. But were the exact situation Have you looked at that curve? Have you looked at her lot? I I called yesterday and that's how I knew this meeting was today. I don't know who I spoke with. Um but I'm the exact situation. So I'm with this person here. If you have if you're going to change it to 50, from 25, could you find a middle ground? You know, does it have to go from 25 to 50? Could it be 35? Could it be anything less than 50? Thank you for your input. We appreciate that. She's got something to say. Yes, sir. Yes. Um, your So, your suggestion to review and study to determine how many houses caught on fire due to a neighboring structure or fire. Um, you really only have like maybe a year's worth of data that would be even reliable and comparable to what you're trying to do if the setbacks were changed a year ago. So any data taken prior to the change of the setbacks

wouldn't even really be relevant. They were closer to that before the 50 foot setbacks were done. There's plenty of houses that are less than 50 foot apart. I'm just asking him to find houses in the county that caught each other closer. You can go to the city where they're even closer than that and said I'm just asking him to let's do data on how many houses caught the house next to them on fire. I mean that at the 50 foot mark caught the house next to him on fire. I think that question that you know you're father is the resounding expert in anything fire related. While I am aware that he is an instructor he is well regarded in the firefighting profession. locally. He doesn't know. Statewide. Okay. Statewide. I'm sorry. Stateide. He teaches for the state. He teaches all live burns for the state. All types. Got it. Thank you. So, while I am aware of that, your suggestion that he is the only expert that should be I didn't say he was the only expert. And also your dismissal of volunteer firefighters that donate their time and their I'm not dismissing them. Yes, you are to protect this county. I don't, ma'am. I don't think he was dis I'd love firefighters more than anybody. I'm a firefighter. My daddy's a firefighter. My brother's a firefighter. I'm like I don't know what to tell you. I'm not dismissing them. Volunteer firefighters. My brother's a volunteer fireman. I've been one. I don't want to hear from the volunteer fireman. I want to hear from a pat. I said I don't think they know more than my fire. Let's get it back to the table here. Who trained them? Let's Let's get it back to the table here. Uh is there any more discussion on this from the table? Okay. Now we you know we're going to have another meeting at the end of the month. Do you want to think about these

situations and wait until then to vote or I'll take a motion that we vote on this now? Yay or nay? Which one are we voting on? We're voting on the setbacks. Do I have a motion that we put it off until our next meeting? I'll make a motion to put it off until we can see what kind of houses that are 50 foot apart have caught each other on fire. I've got a motion from Rodney that I'm not going to say that how many have caught on fire from 50 foot apart, but we will put it off. So, I've got a motion that we put it off till our next meeting. Motion to postpone. Motion to postpone. Excuse me, mayor. I'm not as adept at this as you are. Uh, do I have a motion to postpone? Well, we either got a vote or we got to postpone. Oh, second. Second. I'll second providing that data. I'll second. I have a second from Randy Harrell. All those in favor say I. I. I. So, who's responsible for providing that data? Whoever wants the setbacks changed. It may uh it may be my buddy Randy here. He's really good at that. I lost my place. Okay. Uh, who's this? Mr. Seagroves. This way. Would you like to come up and tell us a little bit about your resolution? Sure. See, there you are right there. We need to put your name because we didn't know what you you know your name to it. I don't mind. I've been attached to a lot

worse. My name is Gar Seagros. Live in 219 South College Streets. My residence office is at 113 West Moore Street. Um lifelong residents of this area, mainly but spent a lot of my time in Manchester and half of since 2009 since I had my own shingle. And so I'm over here pretty much five days a week in court. Interrupt you just one second. We will not This just came to us yesterday. I've decided to let uh Mr. Seagro present it, but we will not be voting on it today. Okay. Just for everybody, just for everybody's information. Um, thank you. In regards to resolution, and we became aware that we could do this, I believe last meeting, and it took a while to get our facts and figures together. Um, and I believe hearing this earlier in the meeting will probably change this to where it's all individual as opposed to one one group. Uh, this is essentially three items that we have put down. And I believe what everyone has agreed here today before you go forward with it, you'll do your resolutions individually. Is that correct, Mr. Mayor? Chairman? Yes. I believe that's what's going to happen. Would we be allowed to do that for the next meeting? you would we be allowed to to break this up into three separate resolutions for the next meeting as well if that's the way you want to present it probably at this meeting planning yes planning correct so the first we had three main really two um issues that we wanted to present to this um planning commission so we could get a proper vote on it up or down and take it to the full county commission. Um the first is regarding um water fire protection requirements. Um Nicholas Northcut has gone over this and I kind of have put

this on the resolution in very simple black and white requirements. Um essentially it has three avenues. If county requirements are met, meaning one has water service, when I say water service, I'm talking about public water. and one has is a mile from a functioning hydrant. A major subdivision may have lot sizes of 08 acres with 100 lots width. If not that, if you have water service and do not have a hydrant within a mile, then you can have an acre lot with 120 foot width. And if not that, if you have no public water and you have no um fireflow, then it's a 2 acre minimum requirement with 150 foot lot width. That's what we're proposing on that short, sweet, step one, step two, step two, three. The next is roads. This is a little bit different and it hadn't been discussed. Um, if you are fronting on a road that does not have a 50-ft rideway, then the developer can be asked to dedicate or a public use easement can be put in place to ensure that the county has a 25 foot from the center roadway. Also, we're stating that to ensure traffic concerns that a traffic study be performed by a licensed traffic study, independent traffic engineer. I put a lot of words in that to ensure that a roadway can handle the traffic for any major subdivision of 15 lots or more. These are done in the city. These are done on most major subdivisions in the city. It's not done in the county. This is something that could resolve a lot of concerns about traffic. You have an independent traffic engineer come out, do his do his measurements and can report that on whether or not that particular roadway

as it stands can handle any additional traffic and we go by that. He says not then you have to think about widening the roads or maybe not doing the project at all. Um I did put in here about setbacks. We're totally comfortable with the setbacks as they stand and uh would wish that they don't be changed. Now, you're stating this isn't going to be voted on today. Correct. This won't be voted on today. We We have to have 14 15 14 days. What is 14 days? All right. So, the resolution that are y'all voting on your resolutions today, too, because you had 14 days on those as well. We're going we will vote. Well, we just voted to put it off on all of them. Okay, perfect. Pretty much. Okay. Question before you step away. Uh number 2A. Uh you say if you're fronting road that does not have 50 foot rightway, then the developer can be asked to dedicate uh basically 25 foot from the center line on the developer side of the road. Correct. I believe that's correct. that would not address property on the opposite side of the road. Tell you what, I'll get back with you on that. Okay, just for clarification, you are correct, Dennis. Apparently, another question. Yes, you don't mind. He's talking about the fire hydrants a mile away. Are we talking about the way the crow flies or are we talking about road? What is the current um status in the in the zoning right now? What's it say? It's along the road. So, it's along the road. Okay. But I just wanted to be sure. Yeah. So, it's along the road. Okay. Yeah. Has anybody ask Benton Bartlett about the roads? I did. He said all you needed was a 20 foot paved road. Maybe we should ask him

to be at the next meeting. Any other question? No. Thank Thank you. These three things. Yeah. Well, they're they're already there. Yeah. What I thought any discussion on what Mr. Seagrove put in front of us? Mr. Chairman, question. Yes, he does. Please step to the microphone. I've got text after text. All right, Aaron Brown. Um, if if they do get that revised and resubmitted in time to be voted on at the next meeting, is that something that will be included in the agenda? Are you talking about what G? Correct. Yes. Yes. I'll in by the probably Okay. because I mean it sounds like there's some middle ground, you know, like Miss Bradley was was saying, um, it sounds like there's some middle ground that I'm not going to speak for anybody, but might be considered. Um, so I think it would be beneficial to not only this board, but the general public to have a copy of that to review beforehand to come into this meeting prepared county website. Yes. Yeah, I I I get the agenda. I just wanted to make sure that that would be included as an attachment to that agenda already in there. Oh, it's this one's already in there. Okay. That's what it is. It's not. No. Okay. No, I know. I didn't see it. I just downloaded the agenda and I didn't see it. So, I just I just wanted to double check that we didn't get it at time. I understand. Yeah. But but we it will be Yeah, I think it would be very beneficial next time to have that has an attachment to that agenda that gets posted. So, thank you. So, will I get it? Yeah. Okay. Any discussion on what Mr. Seagros put forward? I think it's pretty pretty

plain, pretty evident. Actually, I think the first part of it is already in our zoning resolution, you know. So, uh, did you hear that? I think the first part of that is already in the zoning resolution. I think it works. Hey, you did good. Uh, other anything that anybody would like to discuss other nobody wants. Uh there's been people in the crowd have brought up underground utilities. That's true. Uh yes. Uh we have had that mentioned to us. We talked about it a little bit last time about requiring the new subdivisions to put the utilities underground. Uh which makes a lot of sense to me. I don't know why they all aren't underground. It keep people from losing electricity when a tree fell on them. Yep. Uh uh is anybody out there in the development crowd would like to speak to underground utilities? Charles, I thought I thought I had you out of my sight so I couldn't find you on three minutes. Yeah. Years ago, I tried to put Fire Lake underground electrical. Duck River would not let me. Now over in Franklin County, they were letting them do it on the developments around the lake, but until Duck River changes their heart, they said, "Oh, who'd you make mad?" A bunch of people, but I mean that seriously, they would not. And and they said the reason is, "Well, if something happened to it, then we've got to dig in the ground." And I said, "Well, you know, if you have to dig in ground, you have to dig in the ground." But they would not let me. and

and I understand a new development that just went in at 41 highway. They would not let those people and that's why you got telephone. That's good good information to know. Thank you very much. Yeah, I wish they would. Can we Is there any way maybe we could ask representative from Duck River to be here next time? We could, you know, you you don't you don't push the volunteer fire departments. You don't push the water utilities and you don't push Duck River around. I promise you that. One more other aspect. Yes, sir. If this is all possible, we in these meetings, we have a lot of people here. There's a lot of people standing and it gets hot. Is there any possible way in the future that we could do these in the other room? Um, I don't know what what that entails, but we've had some people leave. There's six 10 people leaning on the wall and I know it's it's hot. I can speak to that. The streaming video master control center has to be manned by a paid employee earning overtime wages. This is sort of real do-it-yourself thing. We can push this button and go with it. But the big room does require an employee in the back. So I'll chip in on it. Yes. Yes, sir. I'm kind of like Mr. North. I'm getting kind of wore out coming up here. Uh, speaking I've spoke to real estate agents, I've spoke to Mr. Graham. I' I've spoke to other farmers trying to figure out where the middle ground is and these zoning rules are a living document. And I Steve, correct me if I'm wrong. I

think you agreed with me when we talked about the UGBS possibly being expanded. That wouldn't be a terrible idea. And I know y'all said last meeting it takes Manchester and Toma and Coffee County. It's a big ordeal. But I think if we can give some more ground for growth and and protect a little bit out in the country, we can do a whole lot more with this than what we're doing right now, fighting over setbacks and whatnot. Is that something that could be considered looking at the UGBS and updating those in the high growth corridors? I mean, I I I don't think Old Airport Road or 127 is necessarily the high growth corridor, but I do believe there's others in the county that is experiencing fast growth when you move the urban growth boundary. Yes, sir. Of course, I told you it takes all three mayors. Yes, sir. Tele's out to about as far as they can go. It sounds like a home problem, but we got a county problem. Manchester goes almost to 105. Uh there's quite a lot of area inside the urban growth boundary for Manchester. Okay. What I don't like is the fact that Mr. Graham there has land that's contiguous to the city limits. It can't be annexed because he's not an urban growth boundary. I think that's wrong. I do too. I think that's wrong. I think the one rag road is wrong and I think the buffalo get it. I've also got a piece that's got a big arc going through it with 40 it's 240 acre farm that somebody drew an imaginary line to the middle of it and they've got that to be an urban growth boundary and then all my neighbors it's like their property line. Yeah. And I don't and coming from the guy that's really outspoken on urban growth I'm on his side on that. I mean I'm I mean I'm trying I think we're trying to be reasonable here but we're we're just wanting to find Mr. Brian, I mentioned

in the last one in the urban growth boundary, let's let the city let the urban growth boundaries restrictions and zoning and planning be just like the cities because that's where the city's supposed to grow and dangle a lure to the builders to move into the urban growth boundary and build. And I was told, why would we want to do that? Because I I called the city afterwards because I was told, well, they can ask to be annexed. You cannot ask to be annexed into the city unless your property touches the city limits. With all due respect, Rodney, you also after the last commissioner's meeting suggested that every developer in the county take a red crayon and sue the county. I did that on Facebook. I know. And that is I said that's all it takes. That is that is inappropriate comments from a planning committee member to the county's I didn't tell him to sue. I said all it does to take a lawsuit is takes a crayon and $500. I I'm just My point being we can set ourselves up for a ton of lawsuits with all this. I believe you are, but but I think it's inappropriate for you to suggest that. I don't want to see anybody get sued. But what I That's kind of the point. What I do want to see is us find some common ground where we can keep our rural areas safe. The roads. You said 20 foot. Old airport's 18. That's the one I'm most familiar with. That's why I keep going back. It's 18. It's 18. I drove down it today. I met a car. That's why it's scary. A truck with a goo. I met a truck with a gooseseneck yesterday. He had run off the road. So, let's throw 80. That's why I said bring Benton Bartlett in and let him talk about roads. He should know more than any of us. Also sold also sold electrical supplies for 15 years on the underground utilities. Duck River is compared to Middle Tennessee electric any got their quirks but it is they do have some requirements on primary service lines going underground 48 in. A lot of them have to be encased in concrete this that and the other. also would like to propose and this is going to step on some toes but is there any way that we can put some civil engineers in charge of A1 rural area due

to the storm run off runoff and quit letting surveyors design subdivisions that have packed their neighbors with storm runoff. It should be a civil engineer that has the license and the degree to do so. Thank you. We already do that. Do you Northakota civil engineer survey? Oh, no. He's a surveyor, but he'll have to have a civil there'll be an engineer to look at that. All right. Me again. Uh, I agree. A wall right here. I I agree with this gentleman that came up here. I have a solution to that. Why don't we metro the entire county, include, Manchester, and the county? That solves that problem. been proposed for a long time. You want to respond to the urban growth found or not? I want to respond to Duck River Electric. Okay. I recognize Mayor Hunt. I just text the engineer with Duck River Electric at our low school office. I said, "Does Duck Does DMC frown upon major subdivision having underground power?" Answer: No. Not at all. It's just much more expensive for the developer. We sometimes have issues finding a place for us to get in with such small setbacks with uh all the other underground utilities that beat us in there. So, there's your answer from Duck River Electric. Uh, regarding lawsuits, I'm just going to tell you, we hired uh, George Dean, who's regarded as the one of the masterminds uh, in the legal profession with issues regarding land use and zoning. This is our county.

Whatever we do, whatever we decide, maybe one in 100 cases was his uh words were ever reversed by any court of law. No court of proper jurisdiction would ever look at anything we did and think they know better than the people that live here. So this throwing out these threats of lawsuits are totally inappropriate and would never ever be lost by the county. So I just wanted to make that perfectly clear. And our training uh our training attorney has always said he holds this book up. He said this is yours. Change it whatever you want. It belongs to you. It belongs to the citizens of Coffee County. And I swear there's a lot in it. I hope everybody has a chance to look through it. It took me several years to really grasp all the concepts regarding in land use people. All these land uh property rights arguments. Like I said, this book from front to back is telling you what you can or cannot do with your property. And that is a fact. It happens a lot. So that's all I had to say concerning the urban growth boundaries. Uh that was set when the when the countywide growth plan was done and basically and Manchester and it plainly states were given abnormally large urban growth boundaries. Of course we've grown in those time periods. unfortunately has a problem in that they're kind of landlocked in now. They got Manchester to the north, they got a road to the uh northeast, they've got Franklin County to the east, they've got

more county to the south, they got Bedford County, and their urban growth boundary extends to all those places. And it meets Manchester Manchester's urban growth boundary down here at Crumpton Creek. So, uh, Manchesterers is is still large. There's still you drive around Manchester and there's a lot of land in the Urban Growth Foundry. I do hate for Mr. Graham back there. He's got a piece of property and I think Randy brought it up and Nick did too that the urban growth boundary splits it in two. That should never have happened. Should never have happened. Now, I'm not in favor of expanding the urban growth boundaries, but in a c circumstance like that to get him get that piece of property in the urban growth boundaries and the piece of property that he's got that we've looked at on Ragsdale on Ragsdale Road that is contiguous to the city limits. But he can't ask to be annexed because he's not in the urban growth boundary. That's wrong. I don't care what anybody says. That's wrong. Uh uh that's all I have to say about that. But uh go ahead. I I got a question. I think it was last meeting or the meeting before uh well it was a commissioner's meeting actually that Mayor Dennis Hunt uh brought up about the uh zoning splitting a property. A partial. A partial. Okay. And we could go you could go 500 feet either way. Correct. Correct. Okay. Is there not I don't know of anything. I'm just asking. Is there not anything that can be done like that for him? My research I couldn't find anything

regarding the urban growth boundary line bicting a parcel. Okay. Did you ever find out has your parts always been one parts or without two? As far as I know, it has some guys that owned it before me and they cut off like some lots around the road. But but as far as I know, as far as I can look back like on the property data, I cannot find anything but one for a long long time. Uh, if I would, if I may, the the urban growth boundary, you know, I know one developer that owns 1,900 acres in UGB right now. Think how many homes can go on that properties. Um, also, I don't know why you couldn't develop what's in UGB and develop the rest of it using our county u. I don't know why you couldn't do that. So, that that is a possibility. Also, Toma, they're they they're not they're not without property that can be. We're working with our joint economic development board trying to get a developer. He's from out of town, but he's want to develop the uh I call it the stone farm. It's out there on highway 41A. He's going he's proposing a tiff arrangement that tax in lie of t of financing tax incentivized finance. Anyway, regarding that, he's he's got uh the property out there is going to add uh I believe it's 922 units will be on that one property alone. So, it's it's not like that people that you have to go out here in the A1 districts and start doing your major subdivisions when there is so much property that's in the urban growth boundaries. Already zone C1 right outside the urban growth g boundaries

already. We have our planned growth area that goes all the way up to Hillsboro along your major corridors. There's plenty plenty of areas for major subdivision residential development without going and picking on our A1 district. What if that's not where your land is though? What if you the land that you own is in the county in A1? You're just unlucky. Yeah. Life countywide zoning resolution and a map goes with it and that was your chance to uh object to it. has to be reszoned in 20. That's always we're doing it at practically every county commission meeting. We're doing it uh we did it the last meeting. We're going to be doing it at the next meeting. Reszoning takes place regularly and it's not a hard process. Anybody have anything else? Yes. Good evening everyone. I'm Sean Jones. I'm a farmer in the Asbury community. I'm going to touch on several aspects that's been brought up tonight. If you don't mind, you know, some of them y'all done tabled and everything like that. As far as underground utilities, I might be farfetched here, but I'd say I speak for any farmer in this room. Go for it. I'm ready to take power poles out of my field any day. you know, equipment damage. It's, you know, it happens. Trust me, I hit a plan. Uh, does anybody here know the definition of A1? I do. I've got it right here. I do. Exactly. Oh. The district intended to preserve space for agriculture and forestry use when together compromise an important

segment of the economy of Coffee County. The primary intent of the A1 district is to minimize conflict between agriculture and forestry activities and various non-farm activities to permit lands best suited for intense agriculture uses to be preserved for these suited purposes and to prevent lands unsuitable for development of an urban and non-ruural nature due to topographic problems, location, and the inability to provide necessary urban services from being encroached upon by these incapable land uses. Areas assigned to the A1 district are primary areas where growth of urban and non-rural nature is deemed undesirable for one or more of the reasons outlined above. Although the A1 district is primarily a rural district, it also provides a low density residential development. And there's more. I can keep going if you want me to. I want you to read the paragraph below that that starts with agricultural activities. Agriculture activities within this district may involve noise, odors, dust, and night operation of equipment. All associated with normal crop and livestock production activities. All residential users and developers of residential property shall be charged with the knowledge that they assume the risk of any discomfort associated with deciding to reside in this district arising out of said agriculture activities. That's a very good point. We run at night a lot. Michael, I'm sure you run at night. It's it's inevitable. When the time is right, you got to go. That's just how it is approached. Basically what that says is somebody in in a subdivision can't file a nuisance suit against you if the dust from your

combining operation is blowing through their house. Uh nor chicken manure spreading or anything like that. I mean that's that's normal agricultural that that's a common issue and on a farm. I mean you can come to my farm right now and I guarantee you you will not like the way it smells. It's just it's the nature of it. Back to the the fire issue, the setbacks you were talking about, Dennis, as you know, I'm no stranger to fire within the last if a house catches on fire, Aaron, how long it take y'all to get here to my house? Okay. Ashley, do you know um to get Well, to get if you if I call in my house on fire, how long does it take to get to the station in turnout back to my house? And I'm not far. I'm I'm not far at all. I mean, it depends on um you know, what time of day, what time of night it is. Are people at work? Are they at home? Um Can they how far out from the fire station do they live? How quick can they get there? How quick can There's a lot of variables is what you're saying. Okay. I think he's just asking for an average what you're doing. You know that average. I I was told by a former fire chief of Hillsboro that it would take if they come to my house and it's on fire and they run out of water, the closest hydrant is Hillsboro school. I don't know the exact distance. I know when I take my daughter to school, it takes me 10 minutes to get there. He said they could be to Hillsboro, Philip, Pumper, back 20 minutes, which I would say is pretty good. I mean, I'm not a volunteer fireman. I I applaud them every day. You

know, I donate to them every year. My question is, if they come to my house and they get it somewhat under control, they're out of water. Take a day like they're saying tomorrow is going to be 30 40 mph winds. The wind's blowing. It chucks back up just like a brush pile, anything like that. It's going to get hot again. Take it's a dry year. One ember goes into my neighbor's yard 25 foot across the line. His yard's on fire. Then his house is on fire. And it just keeps spreading. I'm all for raising the setbacks. Absolutely. I mean, they they're saying 100 foot's drastic. I don't care if you go 100 yards. I don't care if you go two miles. It don't bother me either way. But you know that's that's up to y'all completely. Another thing I have an article here that was in the man or in the Tennesseeian Dennis I don't know if you were at this or not says Middle Tennessee mayors tackle traffic congestion livability and anti-growth set. Scrolling through it here. A skipper. Do you know who Mr. Skipper is by chance? That doesn't ring a bell right now. He said it says Skipper convened with local government leaders last week at Middle Tennessee State University's annual forum on growth and regional challenges. Mayors from across the region discussed how their respective cities and counties are responding to the area's explosive growth growth while maintaining livability for longtime residents. You skip through here a little bit and I'll leave this if anybody wants to read it. I just printed offline. There is a segment here. Concentrating development along existing highuse roads is one way to add housing while intentionally conserving open space, natural areas, and farmland. Panelists said it's also a more sustainable approach and saves resources

that would otherwise be spent adding infrastructure to support houses in previous undeveloped areas. The way I understand that, and y'all tell me if I'm wrong, concentrate the development on major roads. You know, it's that's the way I understand it. And I might be 100% wrong, but um most of your major roads already has the infrastructure there. Infrastructure there. Yes. Your major roads. And what you were saying earlier, and I think it was kind of misunderstood by some people, if you run a 8 inch water line, it don't need to be fed by a 2 in and then neck back down to a 2 in. You're not accomplishing nothing. No. So, I mean, it's there's a lot that needs to go through. It's like anything. And I'm like Michael said, I'm with anybody for common ground. You know, if if it was up to me, I'd stop all development. And if I ever won the lottery, you'd see I24 in a cornfield. That's what I'm telling you. But that's that's personally me, you know. But ladies and gentlemen, I appreciate your time. And that's all I got for right now. Thank you'all. Thank you. Okay. Like Colbo, just one more thing. Okay. the original draft documents uh for our zoning resolution that was given to me by a former county commissioner the uh the bulk requirements I think it's what appendix 4 is that where all our lots actually the A1 district uh originally was to be 15 acre minimum lot size in the A1 district how it got whittleled down to where it's the same on all districts I'll never know but I think it was a great disservice to our A1 district that it happened and I don't know how it happened.

I think somebody else want I was just going to answer your question. Um I actually live on the Bedford Coffee line and I performed CPR on my neighbor for 45 minutes because Coffee County and Bedford County were fighting who would take the call and it was Bedford that showed up. So you want to time Sam? 45 minutes. Well, folks, I think that we have had some good points made on both sides. Uh, hope you listen to them all. I'm sure you can remember everything that was said. Uh, but as someone in the last county commission said to try to keep me from speaking, we've been here long enough. Does anybody have any more comments? Anybody from the crowd have any more comments? When's the next meeting? The next meeting will be Have you got a date on that? What? 22. 22. At four. At four. That's where all the Anybody got anything else? So, is there no vote that's going before the full commission as a result of tonight's meeting? Nothing as of tonight's meeting. Am I correct, mayor? Correct. The April that's possible. April 2, our April 22nd meeting will be our regular schedule meeting. 24th or 27th, whatever that Tuesday is. Cindy, you better tell me right. All right. I know that y'all would like to stay here longer, but I would listen to a motion to adjurnn. I'll make a motion to adjurnn. I'll second it. I got a motion and a second. Anybody

uh have any objection? All in favor say I. I.