Public Works Committee - Regular Meeting

and Anna knees or eyes or beer. We are going to call the meeting uh public works together now. Thank you very much. Um first item on the agenda is the review and approval of the minutes from last meeting. Any questions, comments, concerns? No move. I move adoption. Thank you. Second. Second. All in favor? I All right. Awesome. Moving on to the discussion recommendation for the safe streets and roads for all grant funding. Take it away. Yes. Can you belabor it because we've got all these US government I kind of feel guilty that's such a light agenda

and they have to be here for 45 minutes, right? 45. No, it is. You're not. You're saying no. I think there's a small clause of when it's time. You guys need to cut it short. I don't know. I I we really wouldn't do it justice if we didn't stretch it to 45. So I'm a man of the people, Kevin. So So talk slow. Talk slow. Talk taxes.

So yes, uh one main agenda agenda item for today and that is hopefully participating with Milwaukee County where it's open for a federal grant for safe streets for all. This is an annual grant opportunity where they have approximately 1 billion still available in funding for pedestrian and bike safety uh street calming uh projects that we would be eligible for. Um part of that is because we have our own uh community action plan that we participated with previously. So that was one of the items that we needed to have in order to be eligible for this grant funding. So now that we have all of those boxes checked, the next thing is for us to collaborate with Milwaukee County on what we believe will be long-term structural improvements for traffic caling measures. And if you look back at our municipal safety action plan as well as our bicycle bicycle and pedestrian safety study, Lake Drive is listed in both of those plans. And we thought that this internally would be a good thing for us to apply for for potential gateway treatments, which is traffic calming along Lake Drive, especially on both sides of the village, being the north side and the south side to really set precedent for anyone that might not be locally uh resident around the village to really have uniformity with all of our entranceways, thorough affairs through the village about our culture of slowing down and being very pedestrian. and bike safe throughout the village. So, with that, uh there's a few different locations listed for Lake Drive uh corridor, but specifically um we felt again that it would be best to focus on two gateway treatments. Uh one being uh between Cumberland Boulevard and Hampton Road and then the second location at Monrovia Avenue. So, both of

those are listed within our bicycle and pedestrian safety study as well as the attached map. Uh, with that, um, grants are going to be due next month on May 26. So, before we just throw a random number or even thinking that this is a priority, we wanted to make sure that this was discussed internally with public works committee first before we apply for a grant to make sure that we're all in agreement that this should be the next priority for grant funding and future projects. But also we wanted to be inclusive with a third-party uh engineering firm so we have a realistic budget number that would be reflecting the grant because as we all know federal grants come with a lot of strings tied to it especially with engineering cost. There's a lot of uh unique requests from historic preservation commission to uh contaminated soil testings, things that we typically wouldn't have to do on a local project that would be required for a federal grant and a federal project. Also, being a state connecting highway, we just want to make sure that we work closely with with DOT with these projects. So, that's a long- winded way to say that we we don't want to lowball ourselves with the grant and then we would be stuck with additional uh supporting funds if we were lower than expected for the construction cost or the engineering. This would be if awarded an 8020 split. So, 80% federal, 20% would be local match on the village of Whitefish Bay. And how it was looking is this would be a future borrow. So, this would go into a future capital improvement uh program request. Um, and just how we have our six-year borrow, it would make sense to have this as a future project because we already have a litany of other traffic calming, pedestrian, bike safety. So, these things take a very long period of time in order to go from grant u application all the way to shovels in the ground. But we have to be thinking five, six years down the road in order to make

that next CIP where we always have a pedestrian or bike safety project on the horizon. So we just wanted feedback if the committee felt that gateway treatments on Lake Drive made sense based on our pet and bike improvements. If we work with RA Smith, it's 7,500 uh in order for us to get enough substance of information not only with the funding but conceptual renderings and that will truly help us out with the try before you buy mentality. I think that the committee has um strived to get in front of that the community gets used to the traffic calming through temporary measures of delineators or or what have you and we can learn from them and be adaptive if we go through the grant and the the funding that our design team would be able to incorporate any lessons learned with those temporary measures before we incorporate them into permanent. So with that just looking for feedback or

so one question I had was why um why Monrovia and not further north school road the further south yeah I wondered about the further south although that made a little more sense because of Hampton but but just if it's a gateway explain maybe the thinking the pedestrian crossing um really stuck to us that there is a pedestrian crossing on Monrovia so talking to police chief and based on resident feedback in that area, um it it made sense to take advantage of the pedestrian crossing as well as the traffic calming at the same time with Monrovia to the north.

One thought, and it's just my thought off the top of my head, was if we have calming a little north, then we've already got people slowing down before we hit the pedestrian crossing. Just a thought. I don't know. And that's the beauty of this discussion is I'm I'm not 100% sold. This is just what we talked about internally and it's kind of what we've done on Silver Spring. If you look at the graphic that's on our pen and bike, um it's just conceptual, but there's a median as well as like the narrowing of the actual driving lanes in order to feel like you you have to slow down because of those two things. So putting a median in the middle on top of a pedestrian crossing, that's kind of what we've been doing in the past with Silver Springs. So Monrovia just felt like that was a good spot. As well as the hill coming down, if you're going basically southbound on Lake Drive, your car just has a tendency to want to speed up a little bit. So going into that traffic calming into Monrovia, you're already going downhill a little bit. So it really kind of forces the tapping of the brakes as well. So that's just another thought process just the terrain of how it would allow for that feel.

Uh Lake Drive is obviously one of the primary bike corridors. It does have bike lanes. I know we have already had issues in redesigning the roadways around Sendex regarding the bike lanes converging with the regular roadways. Would any of these traffic calming measures do the same thing? because I don't want us to narrow the road so much that we we basically, you know, nullify any bike lanes and then you have bikes and where cars share in the same lane again and then, you know, if someone's not paying attention, it just gets dangerous fast. Yeah, I would say that that would all be part of like our deliverables and what we would ask the consultant to even come up with conceptually is based on your available road with what would be allowed and would there be compromise of the parking and things like that um to try out to see if that would be either resident um agreement and confirming that that's still in the best interest for a crossing. Uh will it spit uh fit based on the space needs? So yes, if if bike lane or that that bike corridor is going to be important long range, that could be one of those deliverables that we have consultants look at.

Might might it make sense or or if are we narrowing it too much here when we give it to them or can we maybe for $7,500 we can't but asked them here's the you know this is what we're thinking gateway where would you recommend the best best place to be or is that too big of an ask? I think they're looking for feedback from us internally because they will look at all uh five sites if we if they want us to. But again, it's time, it's cost, but it's also they were just kind of pointing that back at us like is there any areas that are more priority to us being the village and Matt this application deadline's pretty quick. It is months away. I know.

And it would be our only like keep in mind that this is just one application. And this is one project that this is going to be continuous improvement and we're not going to be finishing our pen and bike safety study within one year or 5 years. So this if there's an interest in these two areas whatever we select work out well then we go on to three, four and five from there. So we just continue to put in grant requests and especially at a 8020 percentage that's a better deal. I guess my comment was that the the northern box around Monrovia um is a lot smaller than the big rectangle on the south and and I I think it knowing that there's a chance of an 8020 grant split. I would love to include the intersection of Mont Clair um in that you could get two intersections knocked out with some I mean let's face it it's probably a refuge island is what's going to happen here. Um and so we might as well try to help two intersections rather than just one small one.

I mean Montlair is busy. A lot of people cross it. I mean it's and it's the last place their cars too. I mean, truthfully, if you're going to put a box down, if you had to keep that box small, it would be on Montlair, not on Monrovia because there's much more traffic on Monrovia. It's an east west, you know, connector to Santa Monica. Montlair. Montlair. What did I say? Yeah, Monrovia. Well, Monrovia isn't, but Right. That's what I mean. But

so like make the box include Montlair and and see like you seem hesitant to do Well, I guess my only technical thing is the box shown on this map was me just drawing a box. It it doesn't mean that that would be the whole entire corridor. It's just that per the bike and ped study. That's I'm just using the language that we adopted. So, I'm just trying to follow suit with that. So, the the bike and ped study says between Cumberland Boulevard and Hampton Avenue. So, I just drew a box. It would be somewhere. It would be the whole entire stretch, but then the traffic engineers and that makes total sense. Yep. would do it somewhere within that corridor. Yep. We've got at Monrovia. Correct. So, it's a smaller box because it's more of that intersection. So, I guess you're saying

to expand it though. It all comes back again 8020. So, depends on what that cost is as well because can be pricey even with the 20% split.

But I guess my question is is if we didn't delineate a bigger chunk there, is the state less likely to give us the grant funding because they're operating from our plan? I I would say it's not for that, but Milwaukee County has given direction to the village of what they want to apply for. We can always ask for more, but it depends on how many municipal municipalities are applying for that grant. So, we're getting a piece of that pie. So, it I have it in there somewhere. 25 million is what Milwaukee County is applying for. Ours was approximately 2 million of that 25 million. So, tomorrow there's a bike and bus collective meeting with Milwaukee County to discuss this specific thing. That will be an opportunity for us to talk out loud with other municipalities who's interested in this grant, who's not. So, if the committee has that as a desire to expand more than two million into doing a larger project, that could be part of our conversation.

So, when you say 2 million, are you talking about these two yellow boxes being a $2 million project? Potentially. We don't know yet. Mainly because of all the additional state stuff that goes with it.

That's part of the process. I honestly don't know. I I don't know until RA Smith gets involved. And maybe I'm off. And that's fine if it becomes less, but I don't want to again be throwing a dollar amount at it without traffic engineers that understand the federal process and the constructibility and the design to be able to lead that conversation. So that'll be the next step is for us to work with AR Smith after this meeting to see what that cost is. But what Mo Milwaukee County had said to me is we have approximately $2 million that would go towards White Fish Bay. So if I work with RA Smith and they say actually your two project areas is only let's say half a million if then we're add to it.

With the deadline of the application coming in May, I mean you could you could scramble quick enough to find new spaces for that. I mean, I think we'd have to narrow our focus for RA Smith because the $7,500 that they're spending is for two locations on Lake Drive. So, if I task them with doing more, it's going to cost us more, but they would give us a better idea as far as what that's going to be. I don't want to come up short, though. That's my say I mean, if we're essentially just talking about expanding that northern box, that feels like less of a big ask. No.

Yeah. Well, I I think the difference is that the south section is a mid intersection. It doesn't in I believe what I'm hearing you say is it doesn't include the two intersections. It's some treatment between the two intersections, right? And then north what he had delineated was one intersection and we're talking about expanding it to two intersections. And so that scope

is is definitely different. And I guess I learned about the gateway treatments through this and I wasn't here for the full bike ped study. So I don't know is two intersections of entrance enhancements in keeping with the vision of that original idea or is it best to look at bike ped projects outside of I I think what the village board as a whole approved was what was in the pet and bike study. Right. So that's just my recommendation is to stick to the study and what they're saying and within those areas of concentration. That's where the data, the analytics, the resident feedback all came from is with those five locations. Okay. At that intersection.

Yeah. And even with like Whitefish Bay between uh Kensington Boulevard and Glendale Avenue, like you have these areas that we can work within and then we lean on the traffic engineers of Arya Smith or TDY or whoever else to see where best it fits within their more like detailed analysis. So Tatty's bike and ped study was at like a 50,000 foot level. Well, now what we're talking is getting down to a 20,000 foot level of these more uh nuances of exactly where our footprint should be.

Okay. So what I'm hearing, one of the concerns is is the possibility of not maximizing the use of those grant funds. And so perhaps the solution is to approve these two locations and then authorize you Matt to do planning for other locations that is in the bike ped study should there be additional capacity. I don't think we need to relitigate this and how we spent like years working on the bike ped study to to figure out where people feel safe, feel unsafe, what is actually unsafe, and what's safe. And I mean, I feel like now we kind of have a checklist, and when we get money, we just knock stuff off that checklist.

Yes, you're right. Sorry to belabor it, though. So, Cumberland and Lake was a specific painoint. Cumberland. Yes. Lake Drive from Cumberland Boulevard to Hampton Road and and so you know Hampton and Lake was mentioned but Oakland and Lake was not mentioned not on the study not not within those gateway treatments.

I mean if if there hadn't been and what I'm going to say is anecdotal commentary. Um, I think reasonable public works folks would say Hampton and Lake and Oakland and Lake are the two most dangerous out of those three. And Cumberland doesn't come close because it has way less traffic. And the left and right turning actions are almost 90° versus Hampton and Oakland which are I don't know 45 degrees some very strange left turns. And not to mention the curve at Palisades that has cars coming around the corner that that pedestrians can't see. So like I know we have anecdotal commentary about those locations, but

my my guess is I mean if you think about it though, we have already done things at both of those intersections. Not at Oakland. I mean we have that right. We did. I mean we repainted it. Yeah. I I mean I'm not I'm not saying it was enough, but I'm just saying we did approach that and we did put the safety rail in at Palisades. Again, I'm not saying it's the be all end all enough. But I'm wondering if that's how the focus changed.

Maybe what the recommendation could be is we have still $200,000 in our 2025 uh borrow for bicycle and safety improvements. If the committee feels strongly about all those areas that we're discussing, I can broaden my ask to RA Smith to really do a more comprehensive study of the Lake Drive corridor. Yes. based on this meeting and then come back to maybe a dollar amount that the committee feels comfortable with, maybe the $2 million and say, "Bill me 2 million worth of these types of traffic calm and gateway treatments per the bicycle and pedestrian study with a focus on intersections like Hampton or even Oakland or where

Sorry. No, no, go ahead. I was just going to say is that the sort of thing that let's say it comes back and you know um we don't have all this extra funding uh to knock out all these projects. Is that the sort of study that we can put on the shelf and then next year just pull it off the shelf once we have our borrow maybe a new grant funding and then just do it hit the ground running.

Absolutely. I mean this this well what we're doing today with RA Smith it's not going to be like use it or lose it. we're actually putting together those budget estimates and then you can put on inflation numbers and you can dust that off a lot easier and especially with the conceptual renderings what this will look like the more that we have visibility with the committee and the board people are going to use that and get acclimated with the vision of White Fishbait right so I would say that's going to be a value added investment to go through that whole entire lake drive corridor if that's truly going to be the primary focus for us for the next pet and bike safety improvement in happy to call me,

then let's go for it and let's look at things maybe through a different perspective than what my recommendation originally was is focus on too is look at all the bullet points, right? And I'm fine with that and we can work with Ari Smith and I mean they're probably used to, you know, hey, get it done tomorrow mentality with their with what our ask is, but they're a good partner and they have a deep bench being RA Smith, so I think they could pull something together for us prior to the deadline. I mean, I don't I don't think you you use the phrase the entire Lake Drive corridor. I'm not sure we need to do that other than just expand these two boxes to include a few two extra intersections or you know if anybody else

Well, some of these intersections are quite a ways out of I mean I mean I I I you know if I had to just slightly edit this and maybe turn a $7,500 project into a $15,000 project I would I would just say expand the yellow box up to Oakland and then expand the northern box down to Montlair. there and just say, "Okay, let RA Smith work on those two boxes." And okay, I'm I'm still guessing it won't come up to 2 million bucks because that's a lot. But so is it still in keeping with the concept of gateway? Yeah,

because those are different things. Like a corridor design, is it different than a gateway? A gateway is like setting expectations as you enter the community, right? A corridor is like how do the bicyclists and pedestrians move across the entire corridor? And I just want to make sure we're sculpting this right. I mean, tell me, does that matter? Does that word matter in this grant? Does it matter? It matters in practicality when designing it

because one like a gateway. I mean, it's kind of in part my understanding of why you added the signal at the on Silver Spring, right? Entrance in. It's to kind of slow people down to set the expectation. So it it might be like a beefier design for that point in time to be to get the drivers to react to say, "Oh, this is different." Right? Like we're we're entering an area that is different than where I was. Um versus like a corridor is thinking like more broadly about how do bicyclists cross this get through this entire corridor? How do pedestrians get across this entire corridor?

I imagine that the engineers are going to want to know the difference. Now, I'm sure a gateway design could maybe go across a longer distance, but I think it's important to understand that is the grant specific to gateway. No, no, it is that that's my key is that if it if it's not specific specific to gateway, that is an aspect that we would like. But for me, I I want to inter I want to

if if you had to rank what do you want to do? Do you want to have a gateway, you know, conversation or do you want to improve intersections? I guess the question for Ari Smith is does does the gateway influence what happens so say the southern gateway does that influence what's happening at Hampton and Oakland also or at at Lake and Oakland also because traffic is now slowed down and does a gateway up at Monrovia slowed or Monontlair Monrovia slow down traffic enough that it's impacting Monrovia as well? I'm thinking that might be the thinking behind this.

Absolutely. So you're actually whether you've done any work on those the next further south and the next further north you're actually impacting those by creating the gateway is that

yeah I would say so and and also to to Jacob's point about the intention of design for that corridor are we going to accommodate bicyclists what we do in one section we have to do in all sections so giving those larger precedents as far as what we what's important to the village being bicyclist, the safer pedestrian crossings in those intersections, traffic calming as far as narrowing those lane widths in order to make it feel different. Those are all deliverables that we can mention to the design team and then they have to design with those intentions. So, I guess if they agree that that's our best bang for the buck right now, then that makes a certain amount of sense. If they're saying, "No, no, no, actually, next intersection south is going to be your busier one. You're going to have more impact. If you address, you know, Montlair, and if you address Oakland first, well, then maybe it's a different conversation."

Yeah. in and in an effort to be holistic should probably have a conversation with our police chief because that that gold box I will bet you money is our number one area for um drunk driving speeding tickets. The south one. The south one. Yeah. And I did speak to the police chief and that's where we selected that together with those two locations. We both concurred that those were our two top priorities internally. So do you what's our next step? Do do you need specific a vote to to like expand the boxes and expand the 7500 or what do you need? I understand about the 7500. Do you need do you need authorization to

it? It's within I would say that would come out of the borrow especially if we're expanded beyond 75 versus the levia. So so recommend to use the bank safety funds in the amount of however much not to exceed 15 grand. How about sure that seems reasonable. That gives you wiggle room if you've had that conversation with them and yes they know this is coming and just expanding the footprint a little bit maybe. I mean maybe they say no. Yeah. But it gives me that amount of flexibility to be able to do it.

No, I think that's that's great and I just wanted to make sure these conversations are really important because I don't want to have assumptions and write a grant and then come back to the committee and the board and you're like, wait, why are we focusing on this area? So, this was very helpful and healthy that we're all in alignment with the next things. Even if it's five plus years down the road, got to start somewhere. I do think clarity about if it's gateway, if it's an intersection treatment, or if it's a corridor design, those are very different things from an engineering perspective. And that's why, yeah, I kind of rethink about my thinking about that. That's why I mean, do do you have a preference, you know, do do you have a preference between gateway, corridor, and intersection?

Well, I mean, to me, if the gateway has a positive impact in more than one place, then it makes sense to start there. You know, it doesn't mean if that happens, there's this gateway is real close to some intersections. It is, but again, if you've slowed traffic, the idea, I would imagine, is that they're not going to hit the gas and get to, you know, 40 very, very quickly. So, we're essentially protecting two at least intersections. Okay, that I mean, that's just how I'm conceptually thinking of it right now. And sorry, I'm brainstorming with you guys, but what if it's it's a gateway? And obviously, we'll give them latitude. they can watch this video, but what if it's a gateway at the entrance with consideration for intersection enhancements? Sure. Absolutely. Yeah. Okay.

Yeah. There you go. I think there's a way to do a two for one. Absolutely. Okay. Because that's what we've heard over and over again with the PI bike and ped study is intersection improvements. That's where we have the most vulnerable road users is when they're crossing a road and especially with Lake Drive being higher speeds and that that corridor with not many stop signs or lights might be someone that that might be a a win-win to do both especially if we can enhance the intersection and slow people down. Okay. Especially given how Yeah, I think there's a lot of left turns that happen at Montlair and it um do we have anyone from the public who would like to speak to this before we take a motion? Do you need a motion? I don't know. Do we need

It was a recommendation. This would not go on to village board. Just warning. Move on. Is there anyone who has anything they'd like to add to the conversation? Okay. Wait. So, there's consensus then to do to instruct engineers to design two gateway designs with consideration for adjacent intersection enhancements. Okay. While also accommodating bike. Bikes. Yeah. While also accommodating bikes. Yeah. Okay. Do you get that? Yeah. Okay. Thank you, Anna. No, that's good. I'm glad that we got more clarity that that helps out. And you've got more leeway if you need it. Absolutely.

And again, this is just the application. We are This wouldn't be like a full-blown design, very conceptual just to get us like rough budget numbers. So, there'll be more to come. How much more does a project cost that we're using grant funding for? I mean because I also understand that there are a lot of additional pieces that have to go into anything that the state is funding if just a rough percentage or is that not something we've

so for design if you use like a federal grant how much more it's going to cost for design it's about twice as much is what I heard it's more on the design side with all those like nuancy things. So, if you just did like um a local road with like an engineering firm and it was just a contractual agreement between us and the firm, it' be about half the cost. So, I was just wanting to clarify because your point about the $2 million, how is this costing $2 million? That's part of the a big portion of it. Correct. And you see that with the safe schools and the conversations we already had with RA Smith, it's shocking how much that costs. or even when we work with MMSD, anytime that you partner with another municipality or our government, it's regulatory.

Yes. Yeah. And so that is something to clear up for you all out there. It's like asking how much more does it cost to build it to code? To build what? Oh, to build code. I mean, don't tell Joel that. Ask that question all the time. Build it to code. The question is our co It's Yeah, it's not code. It's additional hoops. Yes, it is. So, okay. Uh shall we move on? Um the only other thing we have on our agenda is the public works report. Um is there anything that you specifically want to highlight, Matt?

I would just say we had some very productive meetings with the Sendix project team. Um later on this month, you'll start to see actual constructability as far as our construction activities starting with Bowmont and Lake Drive late this month going into early May. So contractors are all mobilized. They're rearing to go. So that'll look dramatically different coming up shortly. Do you have a feel for the signaling equipment and if it's on order, back order, anything?

That's what we're working through right now. Um the signal equipment we feel comfortable. It's just the light poles that we use for some of the signals, if that makes sense. Kind of like the same as a Winky's intersection that we have the decorative lights. Those have a longer lead time. So, we don't anticipate that they'll be here that that will be fully in by one day. So, we'll put up temps. That's what we're working through. That's that's what we suggested. Um, but we haven't figured out exactly what the plan is yet.

The number one question I keep getting is about Silver Spring. that will not be under construction until after Artfest. They're going to start a little bit on council. So, the first sequence is Bulmont and then they'll be starting on council and then so Silver Spring will be open Fourth of July. I keep getting that question for the parade. Um Artfest will be open and then it will be under construction and we are doing a meeting um with the businesses on Friday. So, we're going to talk about the timeline and I've individually reached out to the businesses that I knew would be highly impacted and then we've the church um we we reached out to them. So,

are we also keeping uh the civic foundation up to speed just I know sounds a summer and they do a lot of things that are Silver Spring Chase. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Um the civic foundation rep attends the bid meeting so that's been helpful. So Andrew's in the loop and so is Chris the and the a copy of the construction schedule is included in the packet as well. I I see that on the bottom. So on Silver Spring everything starts in July right after after our Is there some discussion some people wanted that signal light in sooner on on Silver Spring? Didn't we talk about that? I want it in tomorrow if it could happen. I mean uh

you're not using the flags. to the flags after the flags are. Okay. No, I mean it this isn't 45 minutes. Yeah. I mean, if there's other temporary I know Matt and his team have done some temporary installation. It's just it's it's challenging especially like as the construction activity starts, it's going to be even tighter in that area. But if there's ideas like if you see things in other communities certainly we can we're all for implementing temporary solutions but the signals won't be in until and that median strip that won't be going until Yeah.

Yeah. That's and the really the challenge timing wise is that that fourth of July piece is we had told them in the bid specs that they couldn't start that work until after the 4th of July so we could hold the parade. that median is going to block off their northern entrance. When they install the median on Silver Spring, that's right in front of their primary entrance until the new store opens. They're fully aware Yeah.

of that. So, that's the beauty of having the Sendex team have their MSI, their general contractor, is that any impact to the public improvements is in conjunction with their store. So, they they're fully aware of those things. Uh solar power looks like that's going to turn on this week or two. Yes, last week um they actually had a temporary power outage to make that transition. So all of the hardware is in. They were working on the final steps of commissioning. That should happen this week or early next week. The DPW solar panels had like a dashboard website you could go to. Will this al and I think it's gone.

I think that DPW one does not exist anymore. I will look into that. I've I've had a conversation with Arch Solar. They're the same provider as the library. So, I'll bring that up to him because I used to get those monthly updates, too. Wasn't it was actually an online I don't know. It was a website you go to and like it would say today's sunny. Yesterday we generated, you know, 800 kilowatts or whatever. Yeah, this one will be interconnected to the Yeah, I'll I'll look into that. But yeah, this one will be interconnected to the uh internet as well, so we're able to have those instantaneous feedback. Long story short, let's make a big deal out of this. Uh solar panels, where where is that where's that inverter located? In the basement.

Oh, okay. I just I know they give off a lot of EMF that you want to not be sitting next to it. You have a pacemaker you're worried about? Yeah. No. Well, at it's in the old basement to the south which is not used by the friends of the library. It's It's mainly our like Yeah. Yeah. It's not going to be interacted with like Yep. Okay. Piper, I anything to add or question? I know. I realized that I forgot that you were there when we were sharing screen. That's all right. No, I don't have anything to add. Okay. Anyone else?

Uh I I just uh about that Matt and I were chatting the other day about that Chloe warming house project a little bit. There is uh I don't know if anybody ever saw that one uh that warming house over there on um by that in Fox Point by that strong acre pavilion there. It's kind of cool with that um fireplace. Yeah, fireplace. That's cool. Get hot chocolate and all that. I don't know. Just thought I still on my list. I gotta get over that. Yeah, I want to go look at it, too. So, we're doing interviews with the top three candidates uh next week.

Yeah. So, we narrow it down based on there was a we have a tiebreaker for second place. Ah, okay. Just based on the feedback we gave you. Um, so there's a ranking sheet and it goes through like the aesthetics and the business plan and the cost uh proposal. It's all integrated to basically 100 point scale with that. So the second place, they both had the same ranking when we added up all three of our scores between Maxine, Nelie, and myself. So we'll bring the top candidate to the next village board meeting. The top one or the top? Just the top one.

And that'll be important to meet our target deadlines and deliverables because we want to go out to bid basically in December, January, um, in order to be competitive with our pricing. So giving them enough time to actually design and go through the survey, the public feedback, the focus groups, that that'll take some time. So how you going to do your final decision between those three? We're doing the interviews. So I think it's basically we're we have a list of questions for each design firm just to make sure we fully understand and they fully understand what they're getting themselves into, especially with the resident feedback part of it and the survey, making sure they know they're the ones responsible for it.

So we just get a feeling like, have you done that part before? Because this community there's going to be a lot of engagement, right? And they have to be prepared for that part of it. It's not just a design. It's more than that. A complete dodgeball. Winner winner gets it. Winner gets the contract. All right. Any other questions? Thoughts? just, you know, it's not in here, but I maybe mentioned it before, but every time I walk over to Clo, you're walking down the hill, there's this big like concrete patio space um that kind of overlooks the lake. It's on top of I have no idea what

that's a Northshore water commissioner. That's where we get our raw supply for the salt. And I'm just always curious like do we have access to that that we could it in such a land poor community. It feels like that is such prime real estate for either like I don't know grills or like benches or something. Um and I'm just always curious if that's something we could is saying no. Well, no grills per ordinance. But yes, I do agree that that is a beautiful hidden gem within Kodi Park. Absolutely. So, beer garden. Beer garden. Yeah. Yeah, beer garden. Um, very small dog park.

Update on Cahill. I know we had talked about making sure we were keeping the cattails a little more contained and I haven't seen any changes over there yet.

As far as the maintenance side of things, well, we did remove the trees. Um, but all of the vegetation that you see, that's all basically dead thatch. So that's just decomposes. It's the new growth that we really want to make sure that we do not allow for any of those invasive cattails to grow any further than the existing footprint. So we already have our section of where these cattails are. And I put that we're this is our point of no return. We need to maintain that area. So it might be brush saws during that season when they start to see the sprouts and the growth. If it's too wet for a mower, there's going to be more physical maintenance that needs to go to maintain that area.

So the plan is not necessarily to dig up any of the rotten stuff. It is not to dig up. It's just basically to maintain the existing footprint and not allow for the cattails to go any further. Okay. Cool. else. I'd like to recognize the seven US government kids who stuck around to the end. You want to sign anything for you to prove you did the whole thing? No. I to. Okay. Second, anyone? I'll second. All in favor? Awesome. Thank you very much. Thank you.