Planning & Zoning - Regular Meeting

Uh uh there are agendas on the table outside the meeting room. This is a public meeting for which public notice has been provided. The proceedings are being broadcast and recorded and can be viewed online on the city of Casper's YouTube channel. First, I'd like to read someformational statements about the meeting. Use of cell phones is not permitted and such phones shall be turned off or otherwise silenced during the planning and zoning meeting. When speaking to the planning and zoning commission, please clearly state your name and address. Keep remarks pertinent to the issues being considered by the planning and zoning commission. Do not repeat the same statements that were made by a previous speaker. Speak to the planning and zoning commission as you're likely spoken to. Do not address applicants or other audience members directly. Make your comments at the podium and directed to the chairperson and planning and zoning commission. I would like to remind everyone president that the city of Casper Planning and Zoning Commission is a volunteer body composed of members of the Casper community appointed by the Casper City Council. The commission acts as a quasi judicial panel making final decisions on some items and recommendations to the city council on others as dictated by law. The commission may only consider evidence about any case as it relates to existing law. The comm commission cannot make or change planning or zoning laws, regulations, policies or guidelines. I will note that all commissioners are present tonight. The next item on the agenda is consideration of the minutes from the planning and zoning commission meeting held March 13, 2025. Are there any additions or corrections? I now call for a motion to approve or approve as amended the minutes of March 13, 2025 planning and zoning commission meeting. Moved by Commissioner Escu. Second. Seconded by Commissioner

St. have a motion and a second. Is there any discussion? There being no further discussion, we will now vote. Are there any extensions or nay votes? Okay. With Commissioner Rubble abstaining, please record your vote. I'm flo with all members voting. I motion passes. Oh, with abstensions noted. Thank you. Next will be the schedule public hearings. Before we get started, just reminder to all this evening's applicants that it takes four affirmative votes to pass any item, regardless of the number of commissioners present. If any applicant would like to postpone their case in anticipation of the possibility of more commissioners being present next month, she won't have any more commissioners present. We have a full house and I ask you to speak up when your case is announced. Case number one, the first case tonight will be CUP788 2025, a request for a conditional use permit for pediatric physical therapy clinic in an R2 zoning district located at 1511 South Marose. Is the applicant or the representative present? And do you wish to proceed? Yes. Okay. I'll call you up in just a

second. May please get the staff report. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Conditional use permit has been requested to allow a pediatric physical therapy clinic in an R2 one-unit residential zoning district located at 1511 South Melrose Street. The property is currently being used as a church which was constructed in 1957 according to the assessor's office. All properties in the immediate area are zoned R2 and surrounding land uses are all residential. Section 1732030 of the municipal code lists professional offices with fewer than 20 employees as a potential conditional use in the R2 zoning district. A conditional use is generally defined as a land use that's not allowed by right in a specific zoning district, but may be allowed in some circumstances or if certain conditions are met. The existing church's final service before permanently closing is scheduled for April 27th. The church plans to continue to provide space for some of their programs until at least July 1st or until such time as the property sells. The floor floor area of the church is approximately 6,202 square ft and there are 20 off- streetet parking spaces available. Section 1712 080 of the municipal code requires 2.79 parking spaces per thousand square feet of building area for professional offices which equates to a minimum parking requirement of 17 spaces. The hour hours of operation will be Monday through Friday between 8 and 5. In staff's opinion, there will be little noticeable traffic impact to the adjacent streets in that offices of this type spread their appointments out evenly throughout the day. Um we have no recommended conditions. Uh, we received no public comments. And I have five exhibits. A is the application for a conditional use permit. B, public note sent to property owners within 300 ft. C, legal notice sent to the Star Tribune. D, photo of the public note assigned on the property. And E, memo to the chairperson and members of the planning and zoning

commission. With that, I'll be happy to answer any questions. Thank you for your report and the exhibits are noted. Does anyone on the commission have any prelim preliminary questions for staff about the report? Commissioner Austin there. Okay. Okay. I was wondering does the physical therapy take up the total existing building or is it just a portion of the building? Uh my understanding is the total building. Total building. Okay. Thank you. Next, I would ask the applicant to come forward through the microphone, state your name and address for the record, and explain your application to the commissioner. Good evening. Good evening. My name is Daryl Wagner. I live at 23000 Malberry Street here in Casper, 82604. I am the treasurer for the church council for UC. Um, our pastor will be retiring at the end of April and the congregation chose that it would not be prudent to try and hire somebody to replace her given the climate uh financially and uh with church attendance uh diminishing over the past few years. So, uh we will have our last service and we started uh approaching and publicizing to sell the building. The we have a buyer. Um that buyer is Wind City Physical Therapy. They have three locations here locally, two in town and one out in Glenrock. There's actually they're all over the place um all over Wyoming. Um but they are wanting to use our space um to fill a need that is a pediatric physical therapy um which is not being offered at any of

their clinics or as my understanding it's not anywhere else in the state. Um there is minimal change to the building. One of the attractions for her for the business uh is that it is wide open spaces and so there is minimal construction being planned. There's minimal uh changes to the to the neighborhood except the signage and um that will be minimal impact as as uh Craig Collins said. So there uh it actually works out really well. They're very happy with the building. It's not going to change a lot. Uh we do have there are 27 parking spaces in the lot and we currently have an easement with the owner of the other the south side of the parking lot. He has nine of those spaces. So we have ours free and clear and there are others available. He's agreed that if we needed to sign an easement to release those other spaces during the day, he's totally fine with that. The there were members of the congregation who when they saw the uh notice come from the city, which we anticipated, uh went on a Sunday after church service to see how many of our neighbors we could actually talk to and answer questions. And uh we were found we found very favorable responses to um that that use of the property. The plan right now would be to have four uh therapists, maybe five depending on the program. As it's a new developing program, they're not even that sure of how many times how many people will be there. Um but they only have a total of eight employees as it is. So it would not be 20 or 15 offices. It would be

minimal impact to the building and to the neighborhood. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Wagner. Certainly a better use than a vacant building, I think. Right. And they love the green space. Very good. Any questions for Mr. Wagner? Okay. So, is this a condition of the sale that you get uh a conditional use permit for their business? Yes. Yes. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Now is the time when we ask members of the audience to come forward in either support or in opposition to this case. Please remember to state your name and address clearly into the microphone for the record. Anyone wishing to speak in support of this case, please come forward now. Uh my name Dennis Baker. I live at 2021 Brighton Street, Casper 82609. and I'm a representative for Kathy and Brent Blair who will be the proposed buyer which is they operate Wind City Physical Therapy. The idea behind this is to establish a pediatric physical therapy clinic which they're not able to operate at the current time at their current locations because of the size limitations that they have in their current clinics with the other physical therapists. So at this particular physical therapy clinic to begin with they will have three uh pediatric physical therapists who specialize in pediatric u treatment, one speech therapist and one occupational therapist in that. So that's what'll be operated out of here. Uh they may do some additional sports training out of there which that uh where the congregation meets is a long area that they can use for conditioning, helping athletes get ready for for their activities that they participate throughout the city. But mainly right

now they're concentrating on on um just being a physical therapy clinic for pediatrics um in that. And in answer to Commissioner's question is is will they occupy the full space? Their plan is to occupy the full space and have no other tenants or anything. Thank you, Mr. Baker. Any questions for Mr. Baker? Any else? Thank you. Thank you. Anybody else wishing to speak in favor of this case? Anyone wishing to speak in opposition to this case, please come forward and state your name. Seeing nobody else wishing to speak in either support or in opposition to the case, the chair hereby closes the public comment portion of the public hearing and call for a motion to approve. Approve with conditions, deny, table, postpone to a date certain. Please remember to make findings and include any conditions in the motion. I make a motion that uh that I note that the planning and zoning commission has considered off considered all the relevant factors on their staff report including but not limited to those set forth in section 1712.240 240 and the conditional use is consistent with the spirit, purpose, and intent of this title and will substantially will not substantially impair the appropriate use of the neighboring property and will serve the public need, convenience, and welfare. The conditional use is designed to be compatible and adjacent with land uses in the area of this location. On this basis, I move to approve the conditional use permit with conditions if any are desired. There are no conditions. Is that correct? So, a move uh by

Commissioner to approve. I'll second. Second by Commissioner Rubble. Any further discussion? There being no further discussion, please cast your vote. There you go. With all members voting I motion passes. Your application for additional use permit has been approved. Staff will provide you with some paperwork in the next week or so. Thank you. Thank you for coming. The second case tonight will be ZOC 790 2025, a zone change of 5350 South Popular Street from AG Urban Agriculture to R1 residential estate. Is there is the applicant or the representative present? And do you wish to proceed? Okay, thank you. Let me get stash report. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Application has been made for a zone change of 5350 South Popular Street from urban agriculture to R1 residential estate. The subject property consists of two platted lots that share a common lot line running east and west with a single family structure spanning both lots. The applicants plan to replant the property into two newly configured lots with a shared property line running north and south. This will allow for the development of an additional residential structure accessed off Yestnes Lane. The total acreage of the property is one and a half acres and the minimum lot size

under the current urban agriculture zoning classification is 1 acre per lot. Given the 1acre minimum lot size, the property cannot be reconfigured into two new lots because each lot needs to be a minimum of one acre. A reszone of the property to R1 residential estate reduces the minimum lot size requirement to only 9,000 square feet per lot. Permitted uses for both the urban agriculture and residential estate zoning districts have been provided in your staff reports for your consideration. Section 1712170 of the municipal code provides guidance on zone change requests and request and requires that staff provide a report to the commission as to the request conformance with a comprehensive land use plan. The future land use map is an illustrative map within the comprehensive plan that identifies the physical distribution of land uses and forms the basis for future zoning and land use regulations. The LLU map identifies the subject property as being in an area designated as a neighborhood one. The neighborhood one classification is characterized as the low lowest density residential classification typically located on the on the fringe of the community near open space. Primary uses within a neighborhood one are large lot single family homes. Um Mr. Chairman, we received no um written public comments and we have five exhibits to enter into the record. A is the application for a zone change. B public notice sent to property owners. C legal notice sent to the Star Tribune. D photo of the public notice sign on the property and E memo to the chairperson and members of the planning and zoning commission. With that, I will be happy to answer any questions. Thank you for the report and the exhibits are noted. Does anyone on the commission have any preliminary questions for staff about the report? Yes, Mr. Chairman. Commissioner Alston, uh, I noticed looking on this map, it looks like this has been done on the

neighboring property prior was changed to this from a urban agricultural to res. Yeah, Mr. chairman that I don't have a timeline of which happened first, the chicken or the egg here, but um the uh as things occurred in this area. It was uh over a period of time and and kind of in a ad hoc manner. So um some some people were more comfortable with the agriculture zoning and some people were more comfortable with R1 and and it really fit under neighborhood one is to be either one. So we we were agreeable to either in that in that location. several differentations, right? O over time. Um I would say the comprehensive plan encourages that to to transition um to a more dense um land use over time. The the purpose of Casper's zoning ordinance is not to maintain agricultural areas. It's to to kind of transition over time to transition those agriculture areas into a more dense land use pattern so we don't sprawl. I imagine this was initially developed in the county and annexed into the city with existing lots. Anybody else have any questions for staff? Next, I would ask the applicant to come forward to the microphone, state your name and address for the record and explain your application to the commission. Good evening. Uh my name is Cody Klein. I live at 2133 Inca Trail, Bar None 82601. Um, when this property became available, uh, I looked at it as an opportunity to

to purchase something that was close to town and and a lot size that was desirable to me to be able to build the home that I want to build. My my father actually owned the the property to the north on Yestnes Lane before he moved to to Sheridan last year. And so when my realtor sent this to me, I'm like, "Oh, this is a great opportunity to to build a home for me and my family uh right next to where my dad built. Um I I guess I don't know what else you guys want to hear from me, but I'm I'm just I'm looking to build a house and it's a great opportunity. I've looked at plenty of I've been looking for two years. Um, and this fits all the criteria and and when when I found out it was right next to where my dad built, I I I had to I had to pull the trigger and and go through this process. So, I'm excited for the opportunity to get approved and move forward. Do you own the house on 5350? I do own the the the house on popular. Yes. So, you intend to sell the house. It's already there at at some point. Yes. Correct. Yes. Thank you, Mr. Klein. Now, I'll ask anybody on the commission if they have any questions for the apologies. Does anybody else have any questions? Yeah. Thank you, M. Thank you, Mr. Client. Thank you. Now is the time we ask members of the audience to come forward in either support or in opposition to this case. Please remember to state your name and address clearly into the microphone for the record. Anyone wishing to speak in support of this case, please come forward now.

Good evening. Good evening. I'm Tim Shank. Uh my wife Judy is with me. Uh we live at 5015 Yes Lane, the property uh just to the north, which was Cody's parents home until about a year and a half ago. Um we have no issues with this. In fact, we're uh highly in favor of the reszoning so that these lots can be broken up more so that uh it's a better residential fit rather than owning from one road to the other. So, no issues here. My only concern is I told him he couldn't build anything taller than 8 feet. So, we didn't lose our mountain view. Thank you, Mr. Shank. Good seeing you again. Good to see you. I'm not sure that your 8T height restriction is going to stand though in correct me if I'm wrong. Anybody have any questions for Mr. Shane? Thank you. Anybody else wishing to speak in support? Anybody wishing to speak in opposition to this case, please come forward. See nobody else wishing to speak in either support or opposition of the case. The chair hereby closes the public comment portion of the public hearing and calls for a motion to approve, deny, table, or postpone to a date certain. Motion to approve CO7905. We have a move motion to approve by Commissioner Hchelson, the second by Commissioner Rubble. Is there any discussion? There being no further discussion, we will now vote. Are there any abstensions or nay votes?

All vote I please um we will now vote please sorry now vote wait on you Dan Sorry, Cody. I give a thumbs up. Please record the vote. With all members voting I. Motion carries. The application for the zone change has been approved. Staff will contact you in the next few days to advise you of the next step. Thank you. The third case tonight will be SUB798 2025, a replant creating the JS Carson Cottages edition number one. Is the applicant present and do you wish to proceed? I was hoping somebody was here. Please get Can we please get staff report at this time? Thank you, Mr. Chairman. Application has been made to replplat 5.84 acres located northwest of the intersection of southwest Wyoming Boulevard and South Kaufman Avenue to create the JS Carson Cottages edition number one subdivision. The replat is creating five lots fronting Kaufman and a 4.93 acre track that the applicant plans to subdivide in a future phase of the development. The applicants have expressed plans to construct single family residential structures and all lots exceed the R4 zoning district's minimum lot size for single family homes. A drainage study and a water and sewer study have been submitted to the city engineering division for review and

approval. A traffic study is not required because the plat is creating fewer than 20 lots. Mr. Chairman, we have no recommended conditions. At the time the staff report was um drafted, we had no letters of opposition, but one has come in since the drafting and that has been included in your packet. And I have six exhibits. A is the application for a plaque. B is the public notice center letter sent to property owners within 300 ft. C legal notice sent to the Star Tribune. D photo of the public notice sign on the property. E, member to the chairperson, members of the planning and zoning commission, and F, letter of opposition from the neighbor at 4312 Kaufman Court. With that, I'll be happy to answer any questions. Good question, Mr. Chairman. The uh uh municipal code requires a traffic study if you exceed 75 trips per peak hour or with subdivisions that have more than 20 lots. Anybody else? Yes, Mr. Uh does there's previously some town houses going across the street we had discussed and if that determines a traffic study, will this area be included in that? That's uh I'm going to attempt to answer that, but Mr. Beamer may correct me since he's more familiar with the uh traffic studies, but I believe that the uh traffic studies take into account all proposed development as well as um existing Craig is correct. It will take any known development even if it's pending. Even if it's pending.

Now I'd like to ask the applicant to come forward to the microphone, state your name and address for the record and explain your application to the commission. Good evening. Um, my name is Laura Lstrom. My address is 4929 Scenic Route, Casper 82601. Um, I'm a member of JGV LLC, which is the owner. I'm also the realtor in the transaction. So, I have a couple hats on here. Um, but what what we're doing here is taking a parcel of land and we'll develop it in three phases with the initial phase being the the five lots that we're presenting at this point and then there'll be the secondary phase as as that develops out and then a third phase which will be the lots back along uh Garden Creek. Thank you. Does anybody have any questions? Mr. His, so you plan on selling these lots for houses? Yes, it'll be all single family homes. Um, how come you're keeping it R4 multi- family zoning? I think that was the recommendation of of staff for us to go with that. At one time it was a PUB and we had changed it over to the R4 when we reszoned when we sold the corner parcel there. Craig, I have a how come if they're going to do single family homes with the zoning R4, what wouldn't our one or two be more appropriate for single family then? Mr.

Chairman, the um R4 is existing. Um in this case, the the applicant uh time was of the essence. Um zone changes take longer to process. Um I believe a zone change may be coming forward in future phases, but in order to get them started in this construction season, they they proceeded under the current zoning and and single family is a a permitted use under R4 as well. Correct. Just the five lots front runninging the street and the and the uh large track in the back that'll be subdivided at a future time. They could correct. Correct. Although I should say that we have a contract for the the entire parcel of land with with with the phases and u the contract would extend for a five-year period. So that gives us an opportunity if our economy is not such that they can develop out quickly enough um that that gives them some time to get that accomplished. I guess I have a question. When you develop track A, is that then going to you going to then plant a public roadway through there at the same time to accommodate those? Yes. Okay. Any further questions? In that public roadway, would it also have an ingress or egress off of Wyoming Boulevard? Do we know at this time? No, I I don't believe so. And I don't think that even if we applied for one that they'd accept one off of Wyoming Boulevard because you you you need a certain distance there and they'll they'll probably would deny it, I would

guess. Any further questions? Thank you. You're welcome. Now is the time when we ask members of the audience to come forward in either support or in opposition to the case. Please remember to state your name and address clearly into the microphone for the record. Anyone wishing to speak in support of the case, please come forward now. Jacob Carson, uh, 5083 South Valley Road. Casper. Um, I'm in support because I will be the purchaser of the property and the developer of the property. Uh, we have full intentions of to address the concerns of the zoning. We have full intentions of reszoning it. Uh, we have three months to spare. I would love to do it now, but uh just permitting of time and economics, I think it uh supports to do it this in this manner. Um we should have around full full development around 22 to 23 lots. We already have engineering for that. We've already plan for the sewer and water study for those as well. Um we've already did all the preliminary things to make that work. So um they're going to be nice higherend homes uh that are going to bring I think a good infill to dead land in the middle of the city. uh and fit the purpose of of getting people into homes. Thank you. Anybody have any questions? Thank you very much. Anybody else wishing to speak in support? Anyone wishing to speak in opposition to this case, please come forward. My name is Sharon Hamilton and I live at

4332 Kaufman Court. uh Casper. Uh if you look on the map, it's um well, you show this one, uh it's the culdeac just um north of this single lot that they're building. And if you notice, there's a pathway that goes through there from um Kaufman over to Sunrise for the kids to go from Valley Hill School through and go down the path and across the street. There's a crosswalk there and then um it goes over to the Sunrise parking Sunrise Drive way into the Sunrise parking lot. Um we have a lot of traffic now from parents picking up and taking their children to school. Uh many of them use the uh sunrise driveway to go in and out and it causes a lot of traffic on Kaufman and usually those people are in a hurry. They don't look before they go. And um also um I'm concerned about the density because this doesn't show the culde-sac north of Kaufman Court that has uh 32 apartments. And then they're building across the street right behind Sunrise Shopping Center uh 43 town houses with onecar driveways and one car garages. So there'll be on street parking there also. And then there's right across from that is the fire department. Thank you for comments. Does anybody have any questions for Miss Hamilton?

Thank you. Anybody else wishing to speak in opposition to the case? Please come forward. That walking path, is that a city's walking path? And will it stay? Mr. Chairman, that is a public walking path and it's within a a public easement. And yes, it it will stay. Any other questions? See nobody else wish to speak in any support or opposition to the case. The chair hereby closes the public comment portion of the public hearing and calls for a motion to approve to approve with conditions deny table or postpone to a date certain motion to approve SUV 79 2025. We got a motion to approve by Commissioner Hutchinson with a second by Miss Cloch. Is that right? Is there any discussion? Okay. Any further discussion? I just have to echo what Commissioner just said is my concern is that we're doing a traffic study with a lot of development going on at the same time and that we're not really properly analyzing the entire impact. That's Oh, sorry.

Is it on now? It's going to turn green. There it is. Um, I would just echo what Commissioner Hunter just said is that my concern is that we're delaying a traffic study until after a whole lot of development is starting and we're within one block of an elementary school that already has a lot of issues with traffic because of where it sits on Wyoming and Popppler and It just concerns me that we're not doing a traffic study that's looking at the impact of all of these different developments holistically. Okay. Any further discussion? I've got a motion on the second to approve. Please cast your vote. Please record the vote with four members voting. Oh, five members voting I, one abstaining and one nay. Motion passes. Your application for replat has been approved. Staff will be in touch with you in the next few days um for to do some paperwork and let you know the next steps. Thank you very much. Any special? There are none tonight. So we'll move the next item on the agenda that chair calls for any communications from the commission. The chair calls for communication from the community development director or

city planner. Um Mr. Chairman, next month we don't have any cases on the agenda. Um so I just want to throw it out to the commission now. Um whether you wanted to meet to uh do a training of some sort um if there's any topics you want to talk about or if you want to just cancel the meeting next month. Any preference from commissioners? What kind of training are you thinking we need? Craig. Um, that's what I'm that's what I'm afraid of. How manners and civil for the chairman. Yeah. Um, t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t t typically in the in the rotation, we would be doing a making motions and Robert's rules type training. Um, but we're certainly able to do anything you you want to talk about. We we've done mobile trainings before where we go around and look at projects that you have interest in and we um look at comprehensive plan um kind of go through that and leaf through it and get more familiar with it. So it's it's really up to you guys. Anybody want to meet next week uh next month for training or do you want to just cancel next month's meeting? When is the next scheduled meeting? May 8th. May 8th. I would prefer not to meet. I think the preference you're hearing, Craig, is we would just cancel next month's meeting. And if anybody needs special training like myself perhaps, Craig, I'll reach out directly. Yes. And and I just wanted to mention um public hearing is over now, but the um with the previous project that was approved on Kaufman over behind Sunrise is doing a traffic study and um so there will be a holistic view of what's going

on in this neighborhood. It's just a different applicant because they they had 43 lots and this one had five. Okay. So that will bring this into it. It will be after um it could I mean they've already I believe um initiated that traffic study um so it should be done before this one is actually done so it should be able to take it into but will they be advised that this one was has yep has planning and zoning the city engineer typically gives them a scope of work and and talks about other things that are going on in that neighborhood and he's aware of. But this could be added to the scope to understand that this is coming to correct. So, so it's not being ignored. It's just being done by a different developer. Okay. And I don't I don't know the ins and outs of this, but is is there a way for the city to coordinate with NCSD when there are these kinds of developments that are so close to schools to understand that there may need to be changes to walking patterns or drop off patterns or those types of things? I'm going to ask for a little help from Mr. Beamer since he used to initiate these traffic studies about what kind of impact or input they got from stakeholders in the area. I I don't know the answer to that. I'm trying to find my Well, never mind that. Um the school district doesn't typically get involved with this type of development with the school of choice. Kids come to schools from all parts of the community. Um there are safe routes to school studies that are often done. Well, not often done which will then dictate and we're we're doing one right now. this year. And apparently planning is doing one right now where the NPO I don't I'm not sure who's initiating it.

NO is initiating a safe rout to school study now which looks at how kids bike or walk or mom and dad drop off. It's typically a walking and a biking study to see how how they can effectively get from their home to their school. I just bring it up because as somebody whose children went to Casper Classical and then all of a sudden all the development got done on top of that, you know, with school of choice, a lot of parents do drive their kids to school. So walking and biking is not as big as big a deal in a Casper as it is in another city where you've got neighborhood schools. So as we look at things like this, I'm seeing another CCA play out where you've got a lot of development coming in where there wasn't before. I mean, how even though it hasn't been the practice in the past, is there a way to to work these things out? Because I don't know if they probably were not within the 300 foot radius of this development. So, they probably did not get a notice, but certainly they're they've got other mechanism by which they can see what kind of development is going on with and to adapt. Correct me if I'm wrong, too, but the traffic study is not just vehicles. It talk it looks at pedestrians and it's predominantly vehicular based. It's going to look at traffic congestion primarily. And honestly, I'd be surprised if the traffic study comes back with any significant recommendations despite the town homes going adjacent to Sunrise and these single family homes. It it just won't generate that kind of traffic that you think is going to have a significant impact on that street. In my experience, I think if we're traffic, this is the best possible outcome. Oh, yeah. It could have been an apartment building. You could have had a

series of apartment buildings. No, I I agree. A lot of apartment buildings. How about communication from the council liaison? Good evening, commission. I just bring greetings from the city council. Thank all of you for your hard work. Well, most of you and uh for the great job you're [Laughter] doing. We appreciate all all that you guys do. It makes our our life a little easier when we get these in front of us. We know that you guys have studied them and looked them over and so we don't have to de deep dive as bad unless we get uh things brought up from the community and then we do a deeper dive but you guys do a fantastic job. So, and since we won't be here next next month, I won't bring any cookies. So, thanks. I think we will be here in June. Any communication from the liaison? Joint meeting last month. Did I just turn it off now? We had a joint meeting um on the 24th this last month with DEA, DCBA, and the OID. And it was really lovely to have all three of those groups in a room together um to just kind of talk about what's going on downtown. We talked about um the downtown parking situation. Um the unhoused situation that is happening in the downtown area right now. Um did some planning on some downtown summer event coordination. Um talked about the downtown cleanup in May and decided that these three groups will be meeting quarterly just to kind of keep everyone on the same page.

Thank you. Anything else from anybody? I will note that our next meeting has officially been cancelled. So, the next meeting will not be held until June June something. June 12th, 2025 at 6 pm. There being no further business to conduct, the chair calls for a motion to adjourn. Moved by Commissioner Rubble. Second by Lochek. Please cast your vote. Please record the vote with all members voting. I motion carries. Meeting adjourned at 6:46. Thank you.