Architectural Review Board - Regular Meeting

is now being recorded. Hey, good evening all. Thank you for coming. Can we have a roll call, Miss Keith? Mr. Chair, uh we It looks like our vice chair is not present. Just double check. It does not look like member Lavali is present. Member M is not with us. Acting chair for tonight, Ritter here. Member Parsons here. Alternate Bartlesme.

Alternate Rderman here. Council member Leaison Ny here and our commission liaison come here. All right. We do have form. Uh first item is move the minutes of the June 12th meeting. I have a motion. I have a motion. Second. I'll second. All approved. I close to meeting. [Music]

Thank you. Okay. Review the agenda for items tonight. Old business with Fitali Homes. We have new business with the reserve at Wildwoods. and staff read in the first case

by Tally Holmes, 2418 Etherton Road. A second review of a new single family dwelling to be located on lot two of the approved 2418 road lot split. This particular property, Mr. Chair, is located in Wardy.

Maybe put my slides out of order this evening. Apologies. might be a great time for a coffee break.

I forgot to ask, is there any public comment?

See, no one online checking our participants online. If you are online, please use the raise hand feature if you'd like to make public comment. If you're here on behalf of an application, we will promote you um at the time of your voice. Mr. Chair, I see no raised hands. Mr. Chair, members of this board, uh you've have seen this case before. This is actually uh the second review of White Valley Homes. Uh this is a new single family dwelling to be located uh within Wildwood Town Center uh just north of Crestview Lane on Ether Road. Uh this property is about a third of an acre in size. It is zoned R3 10,000 square foot residence district and it's designated neighborhood general district of the town center regulating plan. Uh as noted uh in the reading, the proposed dwelling is intended to be built upon lot two of a two lot subdivision that is approved there. At the last meeting, a series of comments were were made and provided to the applicant. Those comments have since uh been addressed and the plans before you are to the staff of the city's zoning regulations. Uh again, uh this uh particular uh house will be built on lot two of the two laws. Uh this is a north view area and an east

view of this to give you a sense of the surrounding. Uh this is the southern view and the western view. Thank you.

Uh this is the western elevation of the home. This is the eastern elevation of it. This is the north elevation and the south elevation. This is the front of the home. The applicant has provided several material sheets. Um a as corrected uh one of the comments that was corrected from the last meeting uh was is that they are going to be using a wood composite board um and batten sighting on the homeage style garage doors as mandated by health center regulated provided information uh on the planet that is included At this time, I'm going to hand this over to the applicant to give a brief presentation to you and dive into these materials in more detail. Uh, if you have any questions at this time, is happy to answer them. Uh, please note, we are looking for an action on this item tonight. Um, so you may, uh, approve it. You may approve it with conditions, you may continue it if you like, or you can deny the application. Thank you. at this point. Address you guys from stand up

anywhere is fine. Okay. Much to add. Uh it's a single family home build. Um, we try to respect the context of course of the neighborhood with materials massing and um a little bit more color than there. So, we're about to ask answer any questions that you guys that you guys might have.

Question. Um, how is wood comp composite siding compared to like cement or hardy board type siding? Is it as fireresistant as it's not as fire resistant? Sure.

And then also, I can't tell by the drawings, but is the width of the siding the same throughout the house? cuz from this exposure it looks like it's narrow just the same width throughout. Thank you. Any further questions? Do we have a motion? I'll make a motion to approve the house present. Looks like Oh, I guess what your position is based on. When when's this house going to be built? What What's the date? I mean, you've been working for four months on the lot, moving dirt around all over the place and stuff. There's still no basement. Uh there's one worker, Mr. Vitali, he he had a a fellow worker working with him uh about a month ago, and that guy's never been seen again. Three years to build a house at at at the rate that it's going. Hate to say that, but that's what it appears. I'm not a home builder. I just happen to live across the street. You know, when's this house going to be built? Uh we see a lot of uh rock being brought in. We see a lot of dirt being moved around and then moved back again. Uh I I don't see a home going up. Uh I I see maybe a little bit of a basement dug out, but it's not not even close to that yet. What's the timeline for for for a house like that?

When are we going to get to that? That's a fair question. Would you like to address that? Yes. Um, architect's not going to address that. Yes. Our our our goal is to be within n 9th to 12 months. I I could not hear you. You said 9 to 12 months. Uh, we we currently can't do anything except grading. Can't really move anything until we get architectural as so we can get the can get to the next step for a black. So right now we're basically uh we're excavating we're we're grading so we're moving dirt around um digging out the basement. Okay.

So it's uh once we do it so we still have a passing authority. Therefore that should leave Mr. Chair, if I could ask for clarification from the petitioner. So that 9 to 12 months, has that window started or is it starting tonight with the approval of the architectural elevation? Starting with the approval, pardon? Starting with the approval. So from tonight, we should expect at the earliest about nine months to complete our dwelling. Thank you.

Thank you. So we have approved reservation.

Would you like to read in the next issue?

Yes, Mr. Chair. The next item is new business. The first of two, the reserved at 17225 Manchester Road. A preliminary review of architectural elevations, 3D renderings, and floor plans for preliminary review of architectural elevations, 3D renderings, and floor plans or three of the Liberty series plans and one of the designer series plans to be available within the reserve. 115 lot subdivision within town center this particular property Mr. Chair is located Mr. fair members of the board. Uh well, it looks like I have it on my screen but not on the Zoom screen. I believe you are all familiar with this property uh by now. Um but it is located uh at Manchester Road and Highway 109 just to the west of Highway 109. Um it's about 50 acres in size and as director Vunich noted uh the proposed subdivision is to be lots. Uh Mr. Bartles Meyer is back again representing Mckelby Homes. Uh this is to be a preliminary review of architectural elevations, 3D renderings and floor plans for three of the Liberty series plans and one designer series plan uh one designer series plan. Uh each are available with multiple elevation options. Uh tonight this board is not requested uh to make a motion. and it is simply a

preliminary review. Um, but uh I will probably turn it over to Alex, but I'll just go ahead and briefly scroll through all of the front elevations for the homes um to give you an idea of this these next series of homes. Uh so this is Hemingway, elevation A. This is Hemingway elevation B. Uh this is also been doing um 360 ones. This is Hemingway elevation C. This is Madison elevation. This is Madison elevation B. Oops. Addison, elevation C, dark E. And, uh, this one also has a 360 view. Uh, these are the threecar garage options. So this is Madison with threecar garage. Elevation A, elevation V, elevation C. This is elevation E. This is Madison 2 again with a threecar garage. Elevation B. Elevation C,

elevation B and elevation E. And this is Washington. Elevation A, B, elevation C. Elevation A. This is with the threec car garage. Elevation B. And that completes what is in your packets this evening. At this time, I will turn it over to Mr. Blesmeer to uh answer your questions and provide a little bit of some detail. Thank you.

Yeah, thank you. Um as you saw here and like we said before um the the first house we saw is the Hemingway which is uh a designer series which falls on the larger lots offered within the reserve. Um then two of the Liberty series plans that were shown uh the Madison and the Washington come in both twocar and threec car options like the elevation shown. Those will be on the smaller lot smallest one and then the Madison 2 is a strictly threecar Liberty series. So, it's only offered on I think if you lay on the the map, I think it's lots. Where'd it go?

Brought it up on the screen. There we go. Yes, it would only be available on lots of B, the blue lots for the medicine, too. Any questions? think we've seen all the materials before?

Yes, it's the same materials as previously submitted. Um, it's primarily a mixture of hardy board siding and masonry. Make sure you're being anywhere from stone to brick. We do full bed depth stone and brick. Um and then yeah, all the siding shown will be hardy board. So it's hardy for all the horizontal, vertical, and shape siding options. Mr. Chair, if I may,

I think it might be helpful if we kind of did a summary of where we've been and we are tonight. So, Mr. Bartles, correct me if I'm wrong, much better than I, but the first of the four submittals began on April 10th, 2025, which presented five signers series. That was a preliminary review. May 8th, four liberty series were presented to the board in preliminary form and the board at that time approved the five designer series.

No, they both were they were all approved on the same meeting the next meeting. So that's five designer for Liberty. Yeah. At the May meeting. Yes. No, actually, sorry. They're all approved at the June meeting. June meeting.

Yeah, we had three meetings back to back. They were all approved in the same meeting. And then at the June meeting, there were four of the Liberty series and five. That's correct. So tonight we're at the additional designer series as referenced on J has video of the liberty from the perspective of the department we appreciate the desire to have a preliminary review but I believe at this stage we've seen all the materials we've seen all the renderings of other designer with the series. So, if there is an inclination, I'm sure McKelby Holmes would appreciate maybe a motion and action tonight. Yeah, if no one has any comments, I would appreciate that. Um, I will say we so that so far right now we have 13 submitted. Um, there's as of right now only 15 total houses. So there will be eventually another two that will be submitted. Um and that will be I think it's one in each series, one designer, one liberty series. Those are just a little bit more work in progress on the back side for us. So they will be eventually. But

let me ask, are these being built specific to an owner to a specific lot? An assortment of things that which

um majority of what we do is to be built. So we are selling the houses before start. We do some speck houses um just because the market allows for it. There are occasional people that want to move in, but the majority of what we do is we don't start anything till someone walks in the door and decides the house they want to build. Um usually what happens in a community like this when it gets towards the end, we'll start specking stuff out. Um, and that's a handful of stuff of one just trying to finish the community sooner, but also you start being limited, especially with Wildwood's requirements on they don't want the same model next to each other and we kind of prefer to do that. You kind of start getting limited to where it gets to the point this lot's the last one left. It's only about two houses we could probably build on that lot. So, we're just going to pick one and build it. So, um,

makes sense. Yeah. Does anybody have any comments tonight? How long does it take for you to build one of your homes? Um, it depends on the series. The Liberty series, especially the smaller ones, we can probably get that done. We're talking when we break ground. Um, and weather dependent, uh, it's anywhere from I'd say roughly 5 months. Uh, the larger ones, the designer series, probably closer around 6 months dependent. So, we can be pretty accurate once it's under roof because then the weather stops affecting us so much. Um, we can get more accurate, but that's roughly it. Yeah, I'm assuming there'll be a model on site if you'll have a model.

We are doing um Yeah, we will do model homes. I think we are working right now. I think I'm trying to develop exactly where that's going to be. And I think we'll probably end up doing is having two models, one for each series. So, and with your permission, Mr. Bardos Meyer and Mr. Chair, last Friday we met with Mr. Brennan, the president of Mckelby Homes and they are kind of switching perspective and I actually think they're going to do the display units off of Manchester Road. Well, that's what I wonder if they'd use that

versus Route 109 because the the box cover to make the crossing from Route 109 into the site with the lead time going to be probably fall before that's in place and they can actually start accessing from route 109.

It also helps too in the fact that from 109 it's only designer series. We like to keep our market homes up front so it's one the traffic isn't disturbing people once they're living in there but there's no Liberty series lots at the front all the way 109 where we have the option when we're coming from the back from Manchester or both Liberty or both display houses to be closer to the entrance there. So it should be helpful.

There no more questions. Does anybody want to make a motion to accept it tonight? Motion to accept and a second. Second vote on that. All in favor? I approved opposed. Leave it pass. Thank you. Thank you. Next case. I really wanted him to bring the samples. [Music] Bring it on the next.

Mr. Our second item of new business and last item of new business is Rei Incorporated 16419 Village Plaza View Drive. An initial review of a new monument sign to replace an existing legal non-conforming sign located within Village Plaza at the northwestern corner of West Glenn Farms Drive and Village Plaza View Drive which requires variances from the board of the vestment. This particular couple Mr. generous located. Mr.

Chair, members of the board, uh you may remember uh I think it was September of last year. Uh Regency Incorporated came before this board with an alternative uh design sign and uh requested comments uh prior to going before the board of adjustment. uh based on what this architectural review board offered uh they ultimately decided to postpone indefinitely and and not go forward. Uh they've since uh came back with a revised sign concept which we'll be presenting tonight. Um this sign will be uh going before the board of adjustment next Thursday uh for a decision uh related to a number of variances uh that are being requested. um primarily having to do with uh the setbacks uh from the road because this is as you know there is an existing monument sign in this location. Um this sign will be replacing it in that exact same location uh which will require uh zero uh foot setback distances. Additionally, uh the sign will be larger and outline area than is allowed by code or actually the underlying governing ordinance which is 30 square ft. Uh in this case uh the applicants are requesting a sign that is 48 square ft um in area. uh this is simply the uh variance language uh that will go before or that is on the board of adjustment agenda. Uh but I think I summarized what they're requesting. So 0 feet in lie of the required 20 feet from village plaza view drive and a setback distance of zero feet in lie of the required 40t from Westland Farm. Um and that's inclusive

of the western limit of the amended CA planned commercial district. And then again they're requesting 48 square feet of outline area in lie of 30 square feet um which is required. Uh the village plaza is located uh off of West Plan uh West Glenn Farms Drive which is in far eastern Wildwood just north of Highway 100. is a a commercial shopping center. Uh this is a closer aerial view of it and the location of the sign is circled there in yellow. That's the existing sign. Um and this sign is a legal non-conforming monument sign. I should know. Uh the present sign is uh 72 in by 120 in. Uh so it is 56 square ft um in overall area. The new sign is to be I'm not sure how well you can see the colors of it. Um but it is primarily a black and gray sign. Uh there will be six tenant uh panels as noted by this concept. At the top it will say village plaza. Uh it's 10 ft in height and again it's 48 square feet in outline area. Uh the sign will be externally lit. Um I've included some of the lighting specifications this evening. Uh but I'll go ahead and let the representative from the sign company speak to you uh in more detail about what they're planning. So at this time I'm going to promote Mr.

Stevens and let him talk about what it looks like we do have member with us now. And we have another number as well. Uh mute. Do you guys hear me? We can hear you. Yes, we can. Can't see. Hey, just getting everything together there. Oh, it's Bob Junior. Yes. Oh, you guys know senior, huh?

Yeah. I thought it was your dad. Yeah, it's my camera that way. stare at the right screen so I got all my all my files pulled up on the other screen here. There we go.

Would you like to present us your package? Yeah. Um we can start however you want on there. Do you guys have the whole uh if we want to pull that page back up or however we want to kind of want to go through this? Uh let's see here. And I did. Is there Can I share my screen with you guys or No, you can. I can stop sharing mine and let you share. That way you're more in control.

Let me Okay. Does it give me stop video adjust where I can get mine to share? Stop video just background.

Okay, I'm not seeing where it's letting me show here. Share. There we go. And we're going to share this screen. Okay. Okay. Are we seeing my screen now? No. No.

Start video. Share this screen. Sure. We're we're starting. Yep. We see it.

Okay. Fantastic. So, this is more of a break. So, well, exactly what she said. We are planning to remove that current sign that is that is existing on a brick B on a concrete base. Uh there's just two Jbolts in the ground on each side. So, four in total. We're just going to unbolt that sign. We want to bolt a new one on there. Um to go along with the new uh new current specs, we are not doing any internal illumination. And we will have two lights on either side. Uh the specs were brought up right here. Uh they are adjustable. Uh I believe you guys spec out 4,000K. So the Calvin right there, we can dial in the Calvin to 4,000K. And then just in case they are too bright, these are selectable all the way down to a 60 W light compared to 150 watt. So we can dial that in. Uh you just see they're they're weather resistant, 5year warranty. Uh, so that's how we're going to light it. Uh, the like she said, the top portion, we're going to make that pretty much, uh, stationary. It's not really going to be meant to be removed. It'll just say Village Plaza. Under it, each one of these panels, they will be removable just like a standard sign with removable panels. So, if they change, they'll be able to slide out that panel. Uh, we will have silver barrel standoffs that project the tenant panels away from the background. Uh, the panels themselves will be charcoal gray. The whole sign will be black, but the panels will be gray. And then each tenants's name will have uh acrylic letters cut out and bolted to them. Uh that way the barrels will stay the same no matter who moves in. You just be able to unbolt the front panel, remake a new one, put it back on there. Um maintaining the same colors and and and quality of it. Um the lights again will will be on the ground shining up at them. Um I haven't really decided the setback yet. I have to kind of work with that on the ground and I'm going to make sure that they're just set at the right. I don't want to have them too close or too far away. So, I'll kind of

adjust that in my shop to make sure they look proper. Um, all the wiring will be concealed inside the tubes. This is 4in square tube down here. This is 8 in um sign extruded frame here. There'll be internal steel poles for uh for the actual structure of the sign. Um the overall sign extrusion will be 10 foot tall. Um down here will just be a shroud, just metal, uh painted black, just covering that. So that'll be on there permanently. Um we will be removing the bushes. So all these bushes, they'll be gone. This will be cut down to ground. I've recommended to the Rifty guys that they, you know, reret and set up and they're they're fine with that. Uh that's how that's how the lower tenants won't be blocked off from being seen there. Um that's basically the gist. If you guys have any questions, I'm I'm here to answer them. Like we're that's you know exactly where it's going to replace exactly where it is. Um and a lot of the point to this sign too is really they had a better aerial view. If you look over here, there is just a mass amount of of they're either condos or lofts and we really just kind of want them to see the the restaurants and everything that they have to offer over there. I feel like a lot of people pop off of Manchester and they're they're flying down West Glenn just to get where they're going and they're not really looking over there. And the way that plaza is situated, even though it's rather large, it it's it's kind of angled at a it's angled at a bad angle. Everybody's signs aren't facing the street. So, nobody's really you you have to really turn and stare that way to see all the tenants that are there. So, they're trying to their their main goal really is to just help everybody out in that plaza. They're not really doing this for them. They really are just doing this for the for the people that are are there with them. Um, so I guess you guys got any questions for me? I

So is that font in that size variable on the specific tenant? No, everybody just gets 10 inch. Everybody's getting 10inch spot. They're not doing that. Yeah, they're just they're just going to a 10inch spot flat all the way up and down. Yeah, but I mean the the the example font there I mean it seems like the character limitation is quite small. I mean, is that going to be their actual logo of I don't know. Emo is over there, right? That would be They got emo. They got a dog wash. There's the high energy. Um there's the Mulligan Temple. Um there's a couple other people um that it wouldn't be block and that type of font. It would be their specific font or color.

No, probably in this in this situation, they would be a little bit more limited to a block style font because you do need a certain stroke of letter. Even if we were to do two two rows, they would definitely need um more of a block style font to maintain a thick enough stroke because there'll be studs on the back of these letters to bolt them to that panel. I'm just wondering about the character length though because emos can fit in there pretty easily. Eight characters, but if it's something because I'm counting eight. Well, yeah. So, let's see here. I'll take a You guys are still seeing my view, right? Yeah.

Let's just take the tenant right here. Let's see. Let's go. Mulligan Temple is one of them. M U L I G A I N. Mulligan. So, it's going to be automatically resized. So, in a situation like this, we would just bring it in. Um, Mulligan's two L's. Ah, I spelled wrong. I'm going too fast here. Speaking of typos, would you like to confirm that it is 10 inches, right, instead of one inch?

Yes, I'm I was getting the I I literally got the approval from everybody that night with like one hour left to go and I just I was moving too fast. Sorry, I'm just doing that for myself. Um, no. So, I mean that that's a fairly long name right there. And um even if we wanted to, there's still Let's just see how this would look just since I got you guys on here. I I guess I'm just getting at the readability from, you know, a distance. I mean, they're at least going from nothing to something. I mean, right now they have zero readability as far as like a sign like this goes.

So, they're at least going to something to, you know, say. So, even here, and then we stretch that out a little bit and like that. So, even at that, you're still getting a five 5 in tall letter there. Um, you know, it's I mean, it's still it's still giving the tenants something that they didn't have. And what was I the uh like I guess the the viewing is just tough from that road. Uh, like I said, if you're driving down there, I mean, you really have to turn and the the plaza is not faced towards the street. It's faced more of like a 45 off of the street. And with the size of the their tenant spaces aren't that wide. They don't get a huge huge sign. They really do get kind of lost in there. Um, so I mean really this is just something just just something to grab the attention of the of the locals and everybody that's driving down that road. But um I I mean I do understand what you're saying there. But I mean that's still a good that's still a good looking I mean that that doesn't look bad at 5 in tall on there. And I mean even at the 10inch tall how it was. See if I can jump back to that. I mean that's and that's still not too bad right there. actually like that stack better than than that. But um but there'll be options for them. I mean they might have to have an abbreviated name, but again it's better than um I mean I guess you know I'm just saying it's better than than nothing. I'm not Yeah. Do you guys want me to show you anything else or more questions?

You looking for an action on this side? No, there's no comments. Advice to the other the board. Oh, yes. Um, I apologize for not in uh including this with the department's introduction. Uh, but uh given that uh this is a variance request, the decision will be made at the board of adjustment next week. So, this board is asked to offer its comments, suggestions, and recommendations uh which I'll then summarize in a a memorandum uh that I'll then send out for your approval um at the beginning of next week before forwarding that to the board. Thank you. Thank you,

Mr. Know we have a grand tree ordinance. Do we have a grand push ordinance? Yes, sir. We have deciduous, coniferous and flowery. Okay. Other than that don't have grand pipe.

Any other questions or comments? I guess part of the variance one is size, right? Correct. On the size, right? Um, for the most part from what I can tell, they're basically it's a one for one swap. It's the same height and width. I I don't have an issue with that with a one for one swap on the existing sign. Um, what was the other variances they're going for? The other variance uh is regarding the setbacks.

Setbacks which again it's they're replacing the existing Personally, I don't have any issue with the replacement existing sign that point. I think we're done with comments and are there any other items? Okay, that that concludes our cases for this evening. We have a motion to adjurnn. To adjourn. Second. Second.

Next meeting is Thursday, August 7th, if we need one. And thank you and good night. Thank you guys. Thank you. Thank you. And thank you all. We appreciate your