Planning Board - Regular Meeting

previous motion to approve the agenda. website. So public hearing four signed by a sign company. And then lastly, check Yeah.

Sure. So, I'm Kyle Smith. I live at 1692. The property we're discussing tonight is 1691. Yep. Um uh no changes since last time. Um and we're just gonna I just would like to complete construction of a um building foundation that's there. Uh small building that is of commercial in nature. Um a uh just an office space for a construction manager. Um and I think that's it. Okay. Sure.

Okay. We'll read the notice of public hearing. Notice of public hearing. Notice is hereby given that a public hearing will be held by the zoning board of appeals of the town of Brunswick on Monday, December 15, 2025 at 6 PM at the Brunswick Town Hall, 336 Town Office Road, Brunswick, New York 12180 concerning the application submitted by Kyle Smith for area variances in connection with the construction of a commercial building on property located at 1691 NY Route 7. The application requests area variances for two front yard setbacks for a corner lot, minimum lot size, and minimum floor area of the building. Copies of the application are available at the Brunswick Town Hall and are available for public inspection during regular business hours. All interested persons will be heard at the public hearing. And this was published in the record, posted on the sign board and the town website, and mailed to owners of properties located within 300 feet of the project site.

Thank you very much. If anyone would like to speak for or against the project, you're welcome to come up to the podium. Do any of the zoning board members have any questions for Mr. Smith at this time? Hearing no public comment, I make a motion to adjurnn, pardon me, to um close the public hearing. Would a member second?

Thank you, John. All in favor? Thank you. The public hearing is closed. The zoning board members are prepared to deliberate and act on the application. will note that it's a type two residential application under the state environmental quality review act and that no further seeker determination is required.

Yeah. Okay.

Okay. Fine. Thank you. So because Mr. Smith, you're doing a commercial building. We'll look at that as a commercial um application. And we'll note that a short environmental assessment form was submitted with the application. And as a non-residential seeker review process, the board needs to determine whether or not there's at least one significant adverse environmental impact from the proposed action. I would say that there is not after uh reviewing the short environmental assessment form that was submitted with the application.

Yeah, I'll make a motion that it's a negative declaration. I'll second. Thank you, Patricia. All in favor? Thank you. the determination that says negative impact. We'll review the standard elements for consideration of area variance.

Okay. Okay. Great. And since there are three requested area variances, the two front setbacks, the board will uh look at them all together. We'll note that the Rancer County Bureau of Economic Development and Planning has acted on this application, determined that the proposal does not have major impact on county plans and that local consideration shall prevail. The board's asked to explain how no undesirable change will be produced in the character of the neighborhood nor detriment to nearby properties created by granting the area variances. What is being proposed 816qt commercial building will result in a structure that will not have seriously out um will not be seriously out of place in this neighborhood. And then board is asked to explain why the benefits sought by the applicant cannot be achieved by some method feasible for the applicant to pursue other than the area variances

reusing the foundation right and during that time um other options were explored and found that this was the best option. Thanks John. And the board is asked to describe whether the requested area variances are substantial. We'll note that this is a 49 acre lot and business light overlay on Husk Road. So what is being proposed is 2100 square ft. uh roughly the lot size what's required is 40,000 the front setback what is being proposed is 14t 6 in what is required is 75 ft that's on the route seven side on the deepill side what's being proposed is 25 feet and what's being required what is required is 75 ft I say the front is substantial but it's not from itself it separate the current foundation options. Okay. Thank you. And the board's asked to explain how the proposed area variances will not have adverse effects on the fiscal or

environmental conditions in the neighborhood or district size of the building is very small. So far issues property was used the same as it was.

Thank you. And then lastly, the board is asked to explain whether the difficulty is self-created, noting that the consideration is relevant, but shall not necessarily preclude the granting of the area variances. This is a um there had been a building there and it had been hit by a car, a vehicle, and destroyed. And um so he's just replacing the the building that was there before. So I wouldn't see that it is set to move. Thank you. If there's no further deliberation, we'll consider the balance between a benefit to the applicant is made against a detriment to the community at large or the neighborhood in particular determining to grant the requested area variances. Make a motion to do it.

Thank you, Darl. Member second. I'll second. Thank you, John. All in favor? I. Thank you. So, the uh variances have been granted. Please continue the coordination of the work that you're doing with the building department. Sure. Okay. Thank you. Have a good night.

Thank you all very much. Have a good night. Next we have 538 New Jersey state extension. Would the applicant like to come up just give us a brief overview of the project if there have been any changes since your last year in November?

Yeah. Um no no changes. Uh hi I'm Bob Jess. Uh we live there. Uh we're just building a garage uh next to our house. Um just the property line. Um it kind of moves at a slight angle. Um as you might be able to see from the overlay. So we just want to make sure that we're not too close to the property line. So, it's more of a more of a comfort for us than for anything. Um, discussed it with all of our neighbors at this point um that would be impacted and and that led us here. Great. Well, thank you very much. Have a seat and we'll continue. Thank you.

Right. We'll open the public hearing on this application. We'll note that the it was published in the Troy record. It was placed on the town sign board. It's posted on the town website. Is mailed to all owners of adjacent property within 300 ft of the project.

Yep. Notice of public hearing. Notice is hereby given that a public hearing will be held by the zoning board of appeals of the town of Brunswick at 6:15 p.m. on Monday, December 15, 2025 at the Brunswick Town Hall, 336 Town Office Road, Brunswick, New York 12180. concerning the application submitted by Jessica and Robert Gould for an area variance in connection with the installation of a garage on property located at 538 Mcznney Avenue extension. The application requests an area variance for sideyard setback. Copies of the application are available at the Brunswick Town Hall and are available for public inspection during regular business hours. All interested persons will be heard at the public hearing.

Thank you. If anyone would like to come up and speak about the application, you're welcome to do so. There any questions from the zoning board members? No. Hearing no uh public comment, I make a motion to close the public hearing. Would a member second? Thank you, Patricia. All in favor?

Public hearing is closed. As long as our members are prepared, deliberate and act on the application. You'll note that this is residential application. It's a type two action under the state environmental college review act. No or minor environmental impact. No further secret determination is required. We'll also note that Brenzo County Bureau of Economic Development and Planning has acted and that determine that the proposal does not have a major impact on county plans and that local consideration shall prevail. The board is asked to explain how no undesirable change will be produced in the character of the neighborhood nor detriment to nearby properties created by granting the area variance. undesirable changes. It's going to be bless you.

Uh it's going to be placed in an area where it can't truly be seen. It's going to be surrounded by trees.

Yeah. Thank you, Darl. And we're asked to explain why the benefits sought by the applicant cannot be achieved by some method feasible for the applicant to pursue other than the area variances. when you said that this location it had easy access to the house and that there are other locations where as well as in the septic so this is the spot that you you know that would work best for them. Thank you Patricia. So, we're asked to describe whether the requested area variance is substantial. We'll note the R15 zoning district on a 1.81 acre lot requesting a left side setback of 10 ft or 15 feet is required to place a 30 foot by 48 foot garage. See, given the size of the lot, I say this is not substantial. board is asked to explain how the proposed area variances will not have an adverse effect on the physical or environmental conditions in the neighborhood or district. We don't have any increase in odor or noise or drainage. Then lastly, we're asked to explain whether the difficulty is self-created consideration is relevant but shall not necessarily preclude the granting of the area variance.

Going back to your point, Patricia, um considering the constraints of the the property that is not self-created. There's no further deliberation. We'll consider the benefits between the uh applicant benefit to the applicant as way against any detriment to the neighborhood um in particular or the community at large in determining to grant the requested area variance.

Thank you, Patricia. Would a member second? Second. Thank you, John. All in favor? I the area variance has been granted. We just continue the work that you're doing with our building department. Thank you.

Might have to. Yeah. Right. Thank you for bringing that up. So, our next public hearing pick here um has been noticed for 6:30. Um so, because it is 6:21, we're going to wait um for 6:30. Oh, sorry. 20. Yes.

Oh. Oh, I'm sorry. It's 6:25 now. Okay. Yeah. All right. So, we'll go by your your class.

Okay. Thank you. pressure. Um DJ Jason 7:35

Mhm. Yep. Mayonnaise. How long have you See that?

Thank you Kevin. Thank you, Kevin. Okay, next item of business on our agenda is AJ Sign Company working at 735 Husk Road for the installation of a 34 square foot freestanding pylon sign that will have space for two tenant spa panels for the two tenants of the property.

Hi, how are you? Could you kind of give us an overview of your project, please, and let us know if there have been any changes since you last submitted the application in November? I'm Tom Wheeler with AJ Sign Company. Um, basically, we're looking to install a monument sign, two tenant monument sign. Um, no changes since the last time I was here. Uh, the reason we're asking for a variance, we're not allowed multi-tenants on a monument. So, we find that this is a cleaner solution for the property rather than having two signs which would not require a variance. So, we're trying to consolidate and keep it uh less less congested for motorists and easier to easier to read. Okay. Thank you.

If you want to kindly sit down and we'll ask the public if they'd like to make any comments. There any comments from the public like to come up and and make them now? That would be a good time to do it. Go ahead. Sorry. Sorry, Mr. Bradley. I the gun.

That's okay. We'll read the notice first and then uh notice of public hearing. Notice is hereby given that a public hearing will be held by the zoning board of appeals of the town of Brunswick at 6:30 p.m. on Monday, December 15, 2025 at the Brunswick Town Hall, 336 Town Office Road, Brunswick, New York 12180, concerning the applications submitted by AJ Sign Company for a sign variance in connection with the operation of a retail plaza on property located at 733-735 Huzzac Road. The application requests a sign variance to allow a pylon sign with two tenant panels. Copies of the application are available at the Brunswick Town Hall and are available for public inspection during regular business hours. All interested persons will be heard at the public hearing. And this was published in the record, placed on the town sign board, posted on the town website, and mailed to owners of properties located within 300 ft of the project site.

Thank you very much. Thank you.

Good evening. My name is William Bradley. I live in Ball Mountain Road in the town of Brunswick. Um I have a kind of general statement first and then uh some specifics. Um I've had the opportunity in the last two years to put about 9,000 miles on my car and driving from one coast to the next, driving north and driving south. And I've seen a lot of different communities out there. A lot of different signs. Uh it's well known in the office. I have a pet peeve for signs. Um the original language of the sign law was written by people that I knew many years ago and I think it was well constructed. Um since then, of course, you know, there are reasons to issue variances. I think the current variance in front of you is a common sense variance. Instead of having multiple signs that you're driving by and a small lot, the single sign with the two businesses on it is appropriate. I think there's in the same location in coming before you later this evening is a much much different story in the fact that if you take and uh you know I don't know if I should just confine my remarks right now to this application or

yeah that would be helpful right we kind of concentrate and focus on okay all right so you know I think this is a common sense variance and I think it it's applicable to the character of the area I will speak later to what I do not feel is applicable to the area and you'll have the time to do that. Thank you very much. Thank you, Mr. Bradley.

Trying to keep all the signs straight for tonight is a challenge. Yes. Hi, Mary Ellen Adams, 18 Cooper Avenue. So my understanding I guess from the way this is phrased so Chipotle and the mattress store are on the lot that your sign is and you're taking two signs and making them one a tenant sign right that's what this is yes so my question is from looking at this paperwork in the office it's 9 ft high with signage for both places that is that correct

all right and then like a set back off of the sidewalk in line with So that's like what other signs are along the way. So that's the only variance in sign that's needed for those two locations because they're separate from the gas station convenience store. Right. So okay. So a tenant sign to incorporate all three businesses cannot be considered because it's two different it's one plaza but

two different sides. Okay. All right. I would go back to the kind of common sense one tenant sign with everybody in there because it's such a relatively small thing. Okay. Then I was just confused by pylon versus monument because pictures say monument. I think of a pylon is a like a stand and a thing on top but the monument is square. This is like a square rectangle sign, not something sticking up above. Okay. Um so I think that that makes sense. would have made more sense to put them all in one. But good and I'm glad we were able to clarify some of your questions.

Hello.

Uh hello. My name is Tim Galvin. I live at 5 Mohawk Avenue. Uh I'm reading a letter here from uh a neighbor Jim uh Chetchuk who cannot be here tonight. So this is his words that he wrote. Jim Cetchic lives at uh 387 Brunswick Road. As this retail store is part of a large uh project, all requests for assigned variance within this project should be rejected for their cumulative effect on the character of the area and neighborhood. Significant variance requests include two large wall signs. one is permitted under town of Brunswick regulations and that is 100% excessive. Strict adherence to zoning regulations should be followed for this and all other proposed signs. Just have the courage to say no. Thank you.

Thank you. We can note for the record that the zoning board of appeals has received um six individual letters for the following sign variances that we're going to with you tonight. Um it looks like just maybe one which the letter that you wrote specific to this application, but then there are about three of the six letters that the zoning board members have received that speak to the project um as a whole. um in which doesn't single out the Chipotle but um speaks to the Chipotle, the mattress store, and the quick check. Um just want to say that the zoning board members received these letters um when we first came to the meeting tonight. Um we could have the option of uh reviewing them and then of course asking the applicants to respond to the comments that are made by the public tonight.

Are there any other public comments at this time?

Are there any further questions from any of the zoning board members? Okay, John. Andrew. Okay. Um, so because it would have two tenants on there, the question that we normally ask is what would be the hours of the business? Uh, what if one tenant was a 24-hour and one half and the other half is not? Did we as part of this variance this request rather ask how that will work as far as time?

That's an appropriate issue to consider on the requested sign variance lighting. You've asked that on multiple ones. It'd be an appropriate inquiry on this one for the applicant. So I have a question for you.

Um I obviously know the two applicants that are going in there. Do you have any information about what time the sign would be turned off? Because now you have two applicants. So you have a mattress store and you have a restaurant. So I'm sure restaurants can open longer than the mattress store. How would that look like? Normally we ask if the signs are going to be turned off with the hours of business. So would one go off and the other would stay lit? and then go a lot later or another.

Um, they'd probably both have to go off at the same time. Um, this situation, um, Chipotle, I know they usually close at 11:00. So, when they close, we could shut the sign off. It's I don't know. I'd have to figure out how to control the sign separately, but even if one was on, the other wasn't, you'd still kind of see it. So you wouldn't just you really have to shut the whole thing off. So I guess when one time just put a break in the middle. That's all it is. Yep. Yeah. It's one one box with a divider bar on the outside. No matter what time

until the late until till the last closing tenant. Yep. That's a good question to bring up. Could that could be a consideration to approval whether and later on if the tenant became a 24-hour that time originally thought, right? I'm just saying we can we can say whatever we want.

So hearing no further public comment and maybe Oh, I'm sorry. Please. Uh Vinnie Damopo, uh six Mohawk A right next to all that. Um, I just had a quick question. I didn't have a problem necessarily with a monument sign, but it's a question I was gonna ask with all the other ones is how bright is that sign going to be? Like how many like lumen, lux, what have you, you know, appropriate uh unit of measurement, like how much is that going to throw and what distances? Thank you.

It's LED, so it's a short throw. LEDs don't don't cast light very far at all. Really just illuminates that face. It's not like a flashlight or a headlight that that projects out. Um, so it's a typical light box. Not it's, you know, got a polycarbonate face that obstructs the light and, uh, really just lights up that side. It's not, it's not like a beam of light.

Thank you. Um, I had made a note that we had the also that if we were to approve that we could put a condition on the approval for the monument sign that only um two that we only allow two businesses so that later on they can come in and add to the change, right? just so that is something to consider.

Right. No, I think that's a great detail. Um that specifies what we're doing here, right? Are there any other public comments? Any other questions from the zoning board members? So I make a motion to close the public hearing. Would a member second? Second. Thank you, Dan. All in favor?

The public hearing is closed. We'll note that this is a nonresidential seeker review process that a short environmental assessment form has been submitted with the application. Employees determine whether in their opinion there's potential for at least one significant adverse environmental impact by the proposed action. Thank you, John. Would a member second?

Second. Thank you, Darl. All in favor? I.

So, a negative declaration has been approved. So members are prepared prepared to deliberate and act on the application. We're as explain how no undesirable change will be produced in the character of the neighborhood nor detriment to properties created by granting the area variance. And we'll note that this is a multi-tenant highline or monument sign where one tenant is required per the zoning law. I think that it's it's uh a good idea to have the monument sign with the two tents on it as opposed to having the separate sign for each which they do not need a variance of that I understand they do not need a variance to come in for two separate signs. So I think this is a a smart idea to have the two signs. Thank youellea. The board is asked to explain why the benefit sought by the applicant cannot be achieved by some method feasible for the applicant pursue other than the area variance.

Well, we just we just discussed that they can have two separate signs. They don't even but it just adds to the congestion on the site. Okay. Then the board's asked to describe whether the requested area variance is substantial. We'll note that the dimensions for the total sign size of the sign is within the zoning law and for that reason I would say that is not substantial. or is asked to explain how the proposed area variance will not have an adverse effect on the physical or environmental conditions in the neighborhood or district. Ford has adopted a negative um uh seeker for this And then lastly, board is asked to explain whether the difficulty self-created consideration is irrelevant but shall not necessarily preclude the granting of the area variance. I guess it is self created because they could just go with one side of each and not have to have it there. Sure.

So it is but it is not really. So there's no further deliberation. will consider the benefit of the applicant balanced against the detriment to the community at large and the neighborhood in particular to grant the requested area variance.

Thank you John second. Can we put the condition on it? Yes, of course. Two monument sign is one of the just the two businesses there. I'd also like to add a secondation that since the applicant noted that one business would be closing sign. Right. Right. like during business hours, right?

So, does your condition take into consideration if the tenants change? There will always be two tenants unless they were to take one of the buildings and and uh split it and then have a third one there. have to come back for another variance. Specifically, if it was 24-hour service, right? Anything beyond 11 p.m. or

Well, that's why I mentioned 11 only because right now that's clear, but that's what we should go with. And if it kind of changes wants to go 24 hours, I agree. Yeah, I would say. Yeah. So noting those two conditions, we have one motion to approve the area variance. Would a member second? Thank you, John. All in favor?

I. So your variance has been granted noting the two conditions to it. Please continue the work that you're doing with the building department. Thank you. So we'll move on to your next application sign. So this is the installation of Chipotle sign package with a wall sign, a digital pickup sign, directional sign, and a tenant panel. Want to just give an overview of the project, please?

Sure. So, this is a uh a Chipotle restaurant. So, basically, we're asking for uh your typical directional signs to get cars through the drive-thru um once they pull into the plaza. And then in addition to that, we have a Chipotle sign on the front of the building uh facing Husk and then one on the end of the building. Um since this is the last building in line, when you come down Huzek, you'll be able to see that that's Chipotle. Um, these signs really are a wayfinding aid for uh, motorists. They can see where they're going safely, turn in, and then follow the directions around the drive-thru or parking or whatever they choose to do. Um, so again, we're just trying to clearly mark these buildings to help motorists get where they need to go. So, just to reiterate, the variance that you're seeking is um to have four signs instead of the required two signs.

Yep. Some of those signs are directional, some are one's wall sign. Yep. And that one of the four signs is a side sign. So that needs variance.

Correct. And then also to confirm the total area of signage is compliant. It's within the zoning law uh for this package.

Yes. I think you just want to take a seat. Thank you. Read the notice. We'll notice it was published in the Troy record. It was placed on the town sign board. It's posted on the town website and mailed to all other owners of adjacent property within 300 ft.

Notice of public hearing. Notice is hereby given that a public hearing will be held by the zoning board of appeals of the town of Brunswick at 6:45 p.m. on Monday, December 15, 2025 at the Brunswick Town Hall, 336 Town Office Road, Brunswick, New York 12180 concerning the application submitted by AJ Sign Company for signed variances in connection with the operation of a restaurant in a retail plaza on property located at 735 Huzzac Road. The application requests sign variances to allow a wall sign on the side of the building, a variance to allow directional signs and a pickup sign to include a brand logo, and a tenant panel sign located in a pylon sign for the retail plaza. Copies of the application are available at the Brunswick Town Hall and are available for public inspection during regular business hours. All interested persons will be heard at the public hearing. Thank you.

You're welcome to come up and see speak on this application.

Bill Bradley, Ball Mountain Road. Um, I would just like a clarification that the pylon sign referenced in this variance is the same pylon sign in the previously approved variance.

That's a great question and the answer is yes. And again interchangeable monument sign pylon sign Mary Ellen Adams 18th Avenue New York um just because I looked at all these signs today I get confused but I think there's a lot of signs in a small place and while you I guess can't collectively look at this whole thing together which is a shame because it really would benefit benefit everybody. I think if we have a sign on just off the road that's telling you that it's Chipotle and you have a sign on the front that says Chipotle, I'm not feeling it's really necessary to have a sign on the western side. I guess

east is it this coming down. Who's it? Is that Oh, the east. Yeah. Okay. So, I'm not I'm not sure we need to be lit up again on that side. Especially since there's trees and stuff go there. I'm not really sure how far. And it is that actually is level with the sidewalk. It's not elevated. So if you're not going up that high to make an impact, I don't think. So thinking that one's not necessary. Thank you.

Hello again. Uh my name is Tim Galvin, 5 Mohawk Avenue. Again, I'm speaking on behalf of Jim Tetik who lives at 387 Brunswick Road. Uh, this is a letter that he wrote. As this restaurant is part of a large project, all requests for sign variance within this project should be rejected for their cumulative effect on the character of the area and neighborhood. Significant variance requests include two large wall signs. One is permitted under town Brunswick regulations. That would be 100% excessive. Strict adherence to zoning regulations should be followed for this and all proposed signs. Just have the courage to say no. Thank you.

Hi Vinnie Damo again. Six mohawk a um just kind of want to agree with uh Mary Allen over here. Uh, I do think, you know, having a monument sign for drivers going east or west should be plenty enough, especially when you have a big Chipotle sign facing Husk itself. Uh, it doesn't really seem like there's much of a need to have an extra sign off to the edge uh, just spreading more light pollution that's already in a pretty light polluted area of uh, Puzzik.

Thank you. Yes.

I just had a question. I don't know if the gentleman here could answer. Um, right next to where the cholei is, there's a uh dentist office with um some high shrubbery. Uh, would the sign be visible like above the shrubbery or like like I just don't know how that would work or anything like that. So, thank you. Okay, thank you.

Not entirely sure. The signs on the wall signs on the front and the side are the wallpap. Cast just those letters just full name. Yeah, the record sign That's not 5.9 doesn't mate.

Okay. 24 I think 24.43 in.

Thank you. is the sign of the on the building coming back. I'm just trying to look at a couple signs I see. suit and it's got like around the outer edges. So with some applications, the zoning board when um presented with a more than one variance in one application um has taken that group of applications together to make a determination whether or not to grant or not to grant the the variance. Um in this application uh there are two variances. So we do have an option of um breaking it down and um deliberating on one variance versus and then the second variance. Just to kind of put that out there something to consider. Um, so kind of like to recap a little bit.

So they're seeking two variances. One is the number seeking four signed variances where the code requests two. Of that four in our previous application, the board approved a pan of the the monument sign. So, in this application, they're requesting a panel on the monument sign that we've already approved. That's one of the four. Um, another one of the four is um the front sign where um the applicant could have a front sign without a variance,

but because it's cumulative, it's one of the four. That's um why it needs that the the total sign areas. The other two that we haven't spoken about is the side that east sign wall sign and then the directional signs. Um we heard the purpose of each sign. We could ask the applicant to again go over the purpose of you know why a wall sign on the east facing side of the building. wide directional signs. Anyone have any questions about the importance or the purpose of either sign, a wall sign or directional signs?

I don't have an issue with the directional signs. I think they'll actually help with the flow of traffic on the property. Yeah. It's the extra sign on the wall doesn't need to be there. Um so that was one of them I would say but you know especially for flow of traffic. Uh there are some other complexes that do not have good flow of traffic. There's been problems on those complexes. So, I definitely think the direction sign should stay and be right.

Because the ones that are on the that are higher up on the east side and then one facing street are going to be higher and they're going to be more visible to neighbors. Um, is it true that A1 does not need a variance? That's correct. Right. Right. So, you're referring to the um short environmental assessment form page one um where A1 says 37.8 square feet told a wall sign face does not need a variance on its own. It does not. Right. But A2 would the one that's facing east. Um it right.

I'm in agreement with John. I think that should be considered. I don't you know if that's something that can be done without it's going to be up on top of the building, right? Yes. I'd suspect the one that's facing us street can be seen whether you're coming from the east or the west, right? Say that again. The one that's facing us road can be seen whether you're coming from east or west. Correct. Once you're in front of the building, well, the building's going to sit back, so you should be able to see it when you're driving east or west on seven.

So, the significance of having another sign on the sides of the building where you have another tenant on the one side and then neighbors on the other. Is it really? We don't we don't have one on the side where there's another building. It's only on the east side. So you can see

I think Daryl's point what one of the people comment was what is the sight distance between like say the dentist office and the big trucks that they have which I know there are pretty large you know so what are you really seeing that sign by the time you come down the road to see past you know the dentist office building the shrubs and then a sign inside the building versus the sign that's right on the front of him and you got the monument sign that's got the monument sign probably going to you know get your attention first and you want to know which building is which then you sign on the facing building going to tell you which is the vote

yeah people are going to sit and try Yeah,

I think the directional signs are highly recommended once you're up into the um property. I think that that is extremely important. I think that's a very good idea.

Okay. So, it sounds like um of the four signs that are in question um sounds like the board is in agreeance with the the front sign on the front side of the building facing who's road. The directional signs that are within the complex um allowing safety and wayfairing for the uh cars that are going through the uh that complex outside the complex. And then of course the panel on the monument sign which we already proved the monument side.

So it's that side east side. Then I also heard again um perhaps a condition to approval um for the signs to be lit during the hours of operation. All right. So, where we at? Well, you've held your public hearing and closed it on this particular sign variance applications for the Chipotle package. We've backed it under seeker. We've deliberated. We've noted that the county likewise responded uh on this application and it's then in front of you for determination. Um I will advise the board that once you close the public hearing you do have 62 days within which to act. You could act this evening and you could also act at a subsequent meeting. So that those are your options in front of the board. You think the board members feel like they need the 62 days to um review and consider what we've heard tonight or would you be ready to act tonight? Okay.

Yeah, we don't need additional time. All right, sounds good. So we'll consider the balance between the benefit to the applicant is weighted against any detriment to the community at large or the neighborhood in particular to determining to grant requested area variances. Right. And I believe you earlier said one procedural option for the board was to address each requested sign variance on its own rather than collectively. That's still an option for the board. Right.

Okay. Right. So Patricia would like to do that then to look at each. So there's four of them to look at at each for with on their own merits just determining um how you want to go with that. Okay. So, how about we'll begin with the um the panel that's on the tenant monument sign. I would like to make a motion to approve that variance. Okay, John. Would a member second? I'll second.

Thank you, Patricia. All in favor? We have the tenant panel which is 5.98 square ft on the monument sign.

Oh, sorry. You're right. That's right. I'm sorry. That's right. Thank you. That's that correction. All right. And then we'll look at the um enter and exit directional signs with the logo two square feet. Someone would like to make motion. Thank you, Darl. Someone second. I'll second. Thank you, Patricia. All in favor?

I Right. There's directional signs and then we'll go to the um front side, front of the building that faces Kusk Road. That one doesn't need a very Thank you. And can I ask a question? Of course. So when you said directional signs, did you include C? C was not isn't that considered

the digital pickup logo? Good question. So C and D really are they all directional sides really? I would say so. I mean if they were standalone separate I would make a motion for for C as well as D and I would second that motion.

So we're looking at them as as together as directional to help uh as wavef fairing and for safety. So the one left Yep. Thank you. is the wall sign facing east. Would someone like to make a motion? Elements break it down. Okay.

Okay. Very good. So the way that we're handling it, we're breaking down the each variance. Andy suggested that we go through the elements in regards to the sign that's facing east. So we'll go through our five elements. We'll begin with explaining how no undesirable change will be produced in the neighbor in the character of the neighborhood or a detriment to nearby properties created by granting this particular area variance. I would say um from our deliberation, we did decide that there would be a change produced in the character of the neighborhood and the nearby properties by having the sign space east. Can I interrupt one second? Having a hard time hearing live stream.

Of course. Yeah. Sorry about that. Thank you. You're welcome.

Anybody else? Yeah. Okay. Good. Then we're asked to explain why the benefits saw by the applicant cannot be achieved by some method feasible for the applicant pursue other than the area variance. I think he is pursuing that.

Thank you. John was asked to describe whether the requested area variance is substantial. So this would be two wall signs when one is required. I guess it's substantial in the fact that the one is is doing the job of two quite well. The board is asked to explain how the proposed area variance will not have an adverse effect on the physical or environmental conditions in the neighborhood or district. John and then lastly the board is asked to explain whether the difficulty is self-created consideration is relevant but shall not necessarily preclude the granting of the area variance and yes like most uh variances in regards the signage. Uh, this is self-created.

Okay, let's see. No, it appears we didn't. So, we should do right that.

Yeah. So, I apologize. I I skipped over the seeker part again. Doing a good job at that tonight. So, this is a non-residential seeker review process. And we'll note that a short environmental assessment form has been submitted with the application. And what the board needs to do is to determine whether in the board's opinion there is the potential for at least one significant adverse environmental impact for the proposed action. And I would say no, but that there is no um significant adverse environmental impact from the proposed action which we are determining deliberating on.

Right. So that could be viewed as a motion. You need a second and then a formal determination. second that motion. Thank you, Patricia. All in favor? I. Thank you. So, this um variance has not been granted. Uh that was that's okay. So, that was your seeker determination for the requested variances. I'm so sorry. It's okay. It's cold out. Yeah, that's right. You've already acted upon the prior uh variance parts of the application. Uh the one remaining in front of you after you reviewed the elements was the requested sign variance for the wall sign on the east side.

You need a motion. You need action on that. Correct. I make a motion that we deny the wall sign facing east.

All in favor? I thank you. Thanks for putting up with my fumbling. So, the minutes will do a very good job of reflecting what went on tonight. I know it was kind of confusing and a little bit out of order, but the minutes um when you read the minutes, um they'll be very clear.

All right. Thank you. Okay, our next item of business on the agenda by Ankor Sign Company for 733 Husk Road, a mattress firm. This is a sign variance requesting approval for a wall sign totaling 83.03 square ft.

For that, too. I'm here for these guys, too. Oh, okay. Cuz they were from South Carolina. Uh, yeah, Charleston, South Carolina. His uh flight was delayed, so Oh, here I am. Okay. Thank you for standing in hisstead. All right. Could you kind of give us a overview of this project, please?

Yep. So, uh, nothing's changed since the last time. We're asking for, uh, a second wall sign. Um, so we have one sign facing Husk and one sign facing west. So, when you pull in that driveway, you'll see that west sign. You'll know that's where Mattress F is. Um, unlike Chipotle, Mattress F doesn't have directional signs. Um, so that sign's important just to get people again to the right place. Um, you know, clear up confusion in the shopping center.

Thank you. So before the attorney reads a public hearing posting, we'll notice that this has been published in the town the Troy record, placed on the town sign board, posted on the town website, and mailed to all owners of adjacent property within 300 ft.

Notice of public hearing. Notice is hereby given that a public hearing will be held by the zoning board of appeals of the town of Brunswick at 700 p.m. on Monday, December 15th, 2025 at the Brunswick Town Hall, 336 Town Office Road, Brunswick, New York 12180, concerning the application submitted by Anchor Sign for a sign variance in connection with the operation of a retail store in a retail plaza on property located at 733 Husk Road. The application requests a signed variance to allow a wall sign on the side of the building. Copies of the application are available at the Brunswick Town Hall and are available for public inspection during regular business hours. All interested persons will be heard at the public hearing.

Thank you, Mr. Gilchrist. If anyone would like to come up and speak for or against the application, you're welcome to do so. Hi Adam, Cooper Avenue Troy. So I'm going to say the same thing that I said on the Chipotle. A sign in the front I think is adequate. There's only three businesses in this complex or whatever strip mall, whatever we call it. I dare say people pulling into that road. There's directional signs if you're doing I guess the drive-thru for Chipotle. I think people see a mattress store. They know it's the mattress store. It's not the restaurant. So, I'm not really sure there needs to be a sign on the west side right this time that the the one across the front. I mean, it's not like there's 50 stores and you're going to get confused where you're going. I think one side. Thank you. Bill Bradley, Bald Mountain Road. Um, just a request of clarification, the ownership of these signs. So, the variance for the U monument sign with the two signs out front, is that on is that owned by the two firms that are there? You know, because I'm just thinking about, you know, mattress firm has come in and asked for this particular variance. you know, we granted a variance to include their sign out there on the monument sign. So, there's a little bit, you know, you know, they could effectively come and ask to put another sign up in the future in a sense, you know, because I'm not the ownership is a little confusing to me. So, I think that should be clearly stated, you know, in your minutes and everything else as to, you know, you know, if we granted this variance for X, you know, that doesn't include in the

future that they can come back and ask for Y. So that's if you can understand what I'm driving, right? No, I do understand and um I thought that we covered that um earlier um in the previous application, but um maybe it wasn't as clear as I thought it came across. Right. Um Right. Right. So these are tenants. These are tenants to an owner. Yes. Um right. Um Right. And if there's going to be a change of the tenants, um right now we have the number. there are two tenants. I think that's what we specified that there would be two. Not necessarily if there'd be a change in the brand in the brand or who those tenants would be.

Okay. It's just because the way the applications and the names on the application was just what kind of confused me in a little bit. So, what do you need clarified? Uh if this particular plot has two buildings owned owned at this particular point in time by a single entity. So, we have a monument sign. Is that owned by the owner of the properties? And then are the signs owned by the individual tenants? Okay. I just I just the owner. Yeah. I just as right on all three. Could you handle that more eloquently than I could ever do? Well, I'm not sure, but I'll try.

Okay. Thank you. So, right, you got to look at the application forms as to who's the applicant and who's the underlying property owner because there's a spot for both of those to be filled out on each application. But in general, understand that variances do run with the land. There could be a point in time when ownership of the underlying plaza is transferred to a new owner, but the variances would stay in place. So, they're not tied to the identity of the owner. They run with the land. Thank you. Y Thank you.

Hello again. Uh Tim Galvin, five Mohawk Avenue. Um I guess just kind of reiterating what I said before with the previous application. Um, and I'm kind of like mentally picturing myself driving uh eastbound on Huzzik Street. So, I'm driving past the Price Shopper Plaza. It's on the right. We're kind of coming around that bend. So, now with the giant wall that has been built uh right in front of my property. Um, and then there'll be a gas station there and also gas station pumps there. By the time you're getting around that and seeing where the mattress store building will be, I think you've gotten past the point where there you would see the sidewall sign and then you're going to be seeing the front view sign. So, I almost feel like the sidewall sign is kind of moved like it doesn't serve a purpose. Thank you.

Thank you. Uh Vinnie, hi Vinnie Dapledo again, six Mohawk A. Um I think something to also consider with these sidewall signs when it's already going to be covered by the monument is a traffic safety issue. Uh you know, there's a reason why the state had to pass laws to force people to change lanes when driving by emergency vehicles because we can't help but be moths to a flame. And I do think having a little too much to read on the opposite side of the road there will already lead to maybe some more issues with the constant crashes that we do already have there on Husk. Um something to consider as well as uh like Tim said, you're going to be able to see it by the time you see that one. You're going to see the front and also the monument sign. So it just seems a little unnecessarily redundant.

Thank you.

Thank you. I just want to take this time to enter into the record on this application four letters that the zoning board members have received prior to this meeting in regards to the mattress store wall signing.

One has already been written uh read by um Jim Galvan. Tim,

sorry Tim, I apologize. You're reading on behalf of Jim. Thank you. There's a second one by written by Patty um Brega dated December 15, 2025 in regards to the development of this commercial property. And just to I guess summarize The author would not approve any more modifications to this site in regards to assign variance. And then the third letter penned by Victoria Galvin dated December 15, 2025. She includes the mattress store in her letter. again in opposition to the assigned variance. And the fourth letter written by Kimberly Jansen Jensen, sorry, dated December 15, 2025. She includes the three establishments under the retail plaza development heading. And again her letter summarize is in opposition to the sign variance. So these um letters will be included in the record for these sign applications hearing. No further public comment. I make a motion to close the public hearing. Would a member second?

A second. Thank you, Darl. All in favor? The public hearing portion of this application is closed.

The zoning board members are prepared to deliberate and act on the application. We'll note that this is a nonresidential seeker review process. The board needs to determine whether in their opinion there is a potential for at least one significant adverse environmental impact from the proposed action and I would say that there is not. We make a motion for a negative declaration. Would a member second? Second. Thank you, John. All in favor?

I motion has been carried.

We'll note that Rener County Bureau of Economic Development and Planning has acted and determined that the proposal does not have major impact on county plans and that local consideration shall prevail. Boris asked to explain how no undesirable change would be produced in the character of the neighborhood nor a detriment to nearby properties created by granting the area variance. though we voted on a negative declaration for the um non-residential seeker process which asked that there be a significant adverse environmental impact. We can I think still confidently say that there would be um a change in regards to um I guess like the visual congestion that was brought up um in the public hearing and that this would be an undesirable change. Bor is asked to explain why the benefit sought by the applicant cannot be achieved by some method feasible for the applicant to pursue other than the area variance.

Well, I think that it could be achieved by some other method which is the sign on the front and the monument sign because as uh Mr. Gavin Gavin Gavin stated you're not even going to see that sign until you're right up past that big wall because it won't be visible. Right. And unlike um the restaurant, this building is kind of right in front when you enter into the

Right. Correct. Next, we're asked to describe whether the requested area variance is substantial. Note that um the variance, I'm pardon me, the um zoning law requires that the signs are attached to the front of the building and this is requesting the sign be attached to the side, the west side of the building. It is an extra sign and it's unnecessary. So it is substantial.

We were also asked to explain how the proposed area variance will not have an adverse effect on the physical environmental conditions in the neighborhood or district. the left side more of the residential side there would be some and then lastly we're asked to explain whether the difficulty is self-created noting that the consideration is relevant but not not shall necessarily preclude the granting of area variance and sure just like kind of like all sign variances they are self-created So now time to consider the balance between the benefit to the applicant is weighed against any detriment to the community at large or the neighborhood in particular for the zoning board appeal to determine to grant the requested variance. I'll make motion that we deny the um sign on the left side of the building.

Would a member second? I'll second. Thank you, Darl. All in favor? I

This variance has not been granted has been denied. Thank you for staying on tonight. Have a good night. The last item of business are our on our agenda for 7:27 through 7:37. Seven who's road and 8 Milhawk Avenue Boulder. Hi tonight. Welcome. Thank you for being here. Thank you.

You can kindly give us an overview of your project, please, and let us know if there have been any changes since your last year uh two months ago in October.

Yeah. Good evening. Good to see everyone again. Tim Fry with Bowler Engineering here on behalf of the applicant. Quick check. Cool. We were here in September and October to discuss and introduce our area variance request for our signage package. After our initial discussion with this board, we did reduce that signage package u substantially by eliminating a few directional signs, reducing our pylon sign, and even since our last uh meeting in October, we've further eliminated one additional wall sign on the side of our building. after listening in on tonight. I'm glad we did. So, it's nice to volunteer and offer that uh up to this board than than getting a denial. But uh we're still here in pursuit of a couple variances for our final proposed signage package. This includes a pylon sign that is over the allowable maximum size that has uh as I mentioned previously been reduced to 80 square ft per side. We have two fuel canopy signs. Those are at 22.6 square ft. One on the east, one on the west side of the fuel canopy. And we have two wall signs on the front of our building. So the logo of the queue for quick check is separate from the script quick check. That is two separate signs. However, they're still on the same side of the building on the front. That puts our total to a request of five signs where two are allowed. I do want to point out that since we did eliminate that queue on the east side of the building, that has reduced our total proposed signage to under the 300 foot threshold, uh, eliminating that variance request.

So, we don't feel our request is substantial. At our meeting in October, we ran through some comparable signage packages here in the town. One notably is the Cumberland Farms who also has five signs, a pylon, two canopies, and two building signs, one on the side, one on the front. We don't think it's substantial because we're under that 300 square foot total signage area threshold and we're also uh we have eliminated and not proposing any signage facing the residential neighbors behind us. So, with that, I'll turn it back over to the board for any initial questions. I have a question. I um I made a note and you can add so regards the variances. At one time were you requesting the location of a wall sign?

Um it yes it's the the queue on the tower is above the um roof line. Right. So that is an additional variance for the height of that wall sign. Thank you. asking for a relief of the height. That's what you're asking for.

The um building department made a determination that the height of the roof is the the main roof level, not that tower element in the front. So, since the sign is on that tower, it's above that roof line. And there's a provision in the code that allows a three-foot maximum. We're at 6'9 inches above that roof line on that tower. But it's still in front of a wall. It's not like the sign is projecting in the air. It's in front of that that wall facade of the the green tower element.

It's in your perimeter of this, right?

That's right. Correct. So then just to confirm to clarify so regarding the freestanding sign also referred to as pylon sign Um, you're proposing 80 square feet per side. Um, okay. Got it. That's per side. Okay. So, that's why the total is 160 square feet and what is allowed is 70. So, you're asking for 90 square feet.

Correct.

Okay. So, it's interesting. Um, I did a lot of traveling back and forth to northern New Jersey. And on Route 17 going both north and south, there are quick checks. And um the um quick check face uh going north, they have the Q and the quick check on the canopy. But then on the um quick check going south, they don't have either one. There's no Q, there's no quick check. Um and I really have never um determined um a difference in the amount of business that they receive at those two gas stations. Um you of course um on that freestanding sign as you um proposed in your application the price of the gas and of diesel. Um so I don't know if that helps any if we can kind of knock it down by eliminating that Q and the quick check off of the fuel pump canopies. Um I guess I don't know would it be 22.6* 6* 2 if we were to eliminate those signs um that we can then deduct from the total uh signage amount or um 22.6 is both signs.

Uh that's times two, but we're not seeking relief from the total area of signage. You're right. So, it's just um it is the area of the those signs themselves, but not deducted from the total area.

Right. But what's uh important to note on the fuel canopy signage is yes, it helps uh for traffic safety and those on um husk being able to see additional signage and branding and to your point increase um business, but it also points out that this is quick check branded fuel. Some convenience stores are separate than the fuel they serve. So sometimes you'll see a a convenience store with a certain name and then a sookco fuel component. It's important to their branding that they want to represent that it's quick check fuel. And it's it's no different than what Cumberland Farms has. They have a very small um sign similar to what we're proposing over at Cumber Cumberland Farms again to brand their fuel the same as their building.

What's wonderful about Quick Check is that green. So when you see that green, I'm sure there's a name for it. um paint sign. You know, the names of paints are just so varied. But um I think you can kind of get away with knowing that the fuel is sold by quick check as well as that um the the building that sells other things that they're it's one and the same because they're they both have that green that quick check green. So, if a customer is coming into the site or driving past the site, they'll see that green on the pump canopies as well as reflected in the way that the pumps are designed. Um, again, trying to, you know, maybe um eliminate the need for the queue and the quick check on the canopy pump signs.

Yeah, I think over time that green is going to become more relevant. Everybody knows the McDonald's red, right? But quick check's not in this market. They have um a couple stores that they're branding and bringing to the capital region and this is one of them and we shared that kind of go through in the site plan review process that this is a first to market location. They're going to continue to build their brand. So we do feel that signage is important and this feedback was shared at previous meetings and we did go back and try to reduce the signage as much as we could. We've eliminated signs elsewhere but felt these were um important signs for us. But I can appreciate over time that green would get recognizable,

right? And I do see here in the table on our cover letter, um, the first three bold items kind of represent the the variances. All signs, it still says six, that should be five. wall signs. No, or five signs total, not six. So, the relief is three because we eliminated that queue on the east side. And underneath that, it shows the four wall signs and the one freestanding sign. And did you do the math for the sign?

Yep. That's what's on here. Okay, I don't have any other questions right now. Any other questions from zoning board members right now? Correct.

And if others come up, we'll have the opportunity to ask. Yeah. Thank you. So, the zoning board will open a public hearing on this application. will note that the notice was published in the Troy record, placed on the town sign board, posted on the town website, and mailed to all owners of adjacent property within 300 ft. Mr. Go, could you kindly read the public hearing, please?

I will. I'll read the public hearing notice as posted based on the presentation tonight. I'll then review the the proposed change from that notice of public hearing. Notice is hereby given that a public hearing will be held by the zoning board of appeals of the town of Brunswick at 7:15 p.m. on Monday, December 15, 2025 at the Brunswick Town Hall, 336 Town Office Road, Brunswick, New York 12180, concerning the application submitted by Quick Check Corporation for signed variances in connection with the operation of a Quick Check convenience store on property located at 731 Huzzac Road. The application requests the following sign variances. One, size of a freestanding sign. 70 square feet is allowed and 160 square ft is proposed. Two, two signs on a fuel canopy. Zero signs are allowed and two signs are proposed at a total of 45.2 square ft. Three Q logo signage above the roof line 3 feet above roof line allowed and two signs at 3'9 in above roof line are proposed. Four total number of signs two signs allowed and six signs are proposed. We'll note that's been reduced to now five proposed total signs and five total square footage of signs. 300 square feet allowed and 308 square feet is proposed. The applicants noted with the reduction of the side wall sign that's now below 300 square ft and in compliance with the sign law. Copies of the application are available to the Brunswick Town Hall and are available for public inspection during regular business hours. All interested persons will be heard at the public hearing.

Thank you. Anyone would like to come up and speak for against the application, you're going to do so.

Uh, Bill Bradley, Ball Mountain Road. Um, like I said, I had an opportunity to do a awful lot of traveling and, uh, see a whole lot of fuel stations out there, different communities, different everything from Las Vegas, you know, to Chesterfield, Virginia, who's very conservative. Actually, Kasanovia, New York is extremely conservative. Um, the height of these monument signs is, you know, a big consideration to me. I'm I gonna be outright that I do not like the ace sign that we allowed the uh digital display on that. And one of the things that happens here in in the canopy is kind of an example. We have Valero has canopy signs. So has canopy signs. Um, Stoz does not, you know. So over time we've allowed these different variances. So when somebody comes in and they ask for a variance, you say to yourself, like when you treat your kids, you want to treat them fairly and it's like, okay, well they do this here, there, and everywhere else, is it really changing the character of the town because we have them in other locations? Well, you know, that goes kind of towards precedent. So any of these sign changes that you establish now will set a precedent. So if you set a larger sign than is necessary for them to function as a business when somebody else comes in later on and says well we want to change our sign and look here we have an example where it it is already in the town and you pick away at character the town by nibbles and this is kind of one of the situations you know my particular thing is you know the the monument signs should be kept low. You know, Sonokco up here on Route 7. I don't think their sign is 6 foot tall probably up there. I think probably Cumberland Farms is one of the larger fuel station signs that we have. So, as the boards considers these things, consider the fact that not only today how these signs will have an impact on the neighborhood, but it to me

represents a nibbling at the cookie and eventually, you know, you have nothing left. So, I'd like to maintain the character, keep things simple, keep them low and unobtrusive. Thank you. Thank you.

Marielen Adams, Cooper Avenue. So, my understanding now that there's asking for five signs when two signs are allowed. So I went in I looked at pictures and I just want to ask one is the what's considered the front door on the side where the gas is like between the mattress store or is the front door facing who's it for the shop but but actually the main door that what you consider the front door because that's where there's a queue is that facing

so that's your vestibial area the doors on the side of that vestibial Okay. So, it's facing. Okay. So, um I'm going to go to the gas first. Um I think your points are very well taken this many about the the signage for the gas. I don't think anybody's going to think they're getting gas from Mobile Valero or Senokco when you're colorcoordinated and and right there. A small queue if if you had to have some logo would probably do it. I don't think we need to allow anything bigger than what our code says. The two Q's logo signs that are proposed to be 6'9 above the roof line. I never understood and I went to planning board and zoning board or listen to them that the elevation of the structure itself was going to be so far higher than the sidewalk. I mean, this is a towering structure. So then when you add almost seven feet on top of that structure with these cues, you're I would think you're well higher than Vince's house. I mean, I don't know the elevation, but like I'm not sure that we need to have Q beacons this high up on Husk Street. Um I I I think it's known that it's a gas station. There's going to be a monument or a pile. Is is it a is the sign looking like a monument sign like the pylon/monument sign that was for Chipotle? Is it the same kind of rectangle or is it up on a pole on the top?

Okay, so it's like a monument.

Okay, so you've got that sign. You've got quick check across the front. I'm not I don't see any need for cues on an on building that sits up like a castle behind this huge wall. And it's going to be that's what you're going to see. That's what we're going to be known for, the wall and the queue, which I think is completely out of character with um you know, Brunswick and and our commercial zone. Plus, they're going to be lit 24 hours a day, which to me just adds insult to that. Um, I think traffic speed along that area allows you plenty of time to sit there and see what you need to see to identify that it's a gas station. Um, so it's two Q signs, the pylon sign, which I would say should be the same size as the size of the one for the other two B businesses because we should have some consistency. Um, and it should be set back the same so they match so that we look a little classy if we can with all the con stuff that we have there. Um, and then the height of the pylon sign is that high up again. So, it's not. So, say if it's a 9 foot sign, is it really a 9 foot sign if I'm walking down the sidewalk or is it 19 ft high because the building is so much higher than the sidewalk? So, I I think that the need for additional signage is definitely self-created. Um, when you look at Stewarts and Cumberland Farms and those, they all have a freestanding sign. They have a sign on the front, but they don't jut up and they don't have um I I just think that the sign because when I looked at it today, I just think

a freestanding sign, a sign across the front, and a sign on your pump that's discreet is um adequate. So that's a synopsis of my comments. Can I give it to you in writing? Of course. Thank you. All right. Thank you. So please adhere to what we have put in place already. the comprehensive plan, you know, has comments about how Route 7 should be constructed and and how we should be trying for consistency and how maybe to make it look nice between building to building. We kind of missed the boat on a lot of that, but as Mr. Bradley said, if we keep making bigger and bigger allowances, we're we're never going to be able to have a nice cohesive border.

Thank you. So for the record, this letter written by Marielle and Adams dated December 15, 2025 will be put to the record this application. Uh hello again. Uh my name is Timothy Galvin. G A L V I N. Just for the record, I live at 5 Mohawk Avenue. Uh I have two letters here that I'd like to read uh on behalf of two individuals that could not be here. The first letter I'm going to read is from uh Jim James uh Tetic and that's T K A C I K. Uh you must reject all sign variances for the quick check project on Hik Street and Brunswick. Although those still under construction, this industrial scale project featuring the massive Great Wall of Brunswick has already damaged the character of the area. The addition of excessive signage beyond what is allowed by code will degrade the environment even more. No legitimate justification has been presented to warrant these variances. The zoning board of appeals needs to recognize that quick check is just part of this large very large project. Please consider the potential cumulative effects sought by the quick check plus those sought by the two other businesses. As stated before, each of these enterprises seek the double number of wall signs allowed. Two proposals, one allowed for each. The applicants are obviously intelligent enough to research the town of Brunswick zoning regulations as part of their due diligence. They knew the rules when they started the project. Now make them live within the code regulations. The town of Brunswick zoning board of appeals has a responsibility to protect the quality of life in Brunswick by maintaining zoning regulations. You do not have the responsibility to maintain some corporate advertising policy or wish lists. Please live up to your obliga uh obligations uh responsibly. Protect the

remaining character of Husk Road in the local neighborhood. Stop the continuing degradation of zoning standards caused by excessive permissive variances. Again, have the courage to say no. So, that is the end of Jim's letter. So, I bring up the second letter. Uh so this is a letter uh presented by Victoria Galvin. She also lives at 5 Mohawk Avenue. She is my wife. These are her words to the members of the town of Brunswick zoning board. My name is Victoria Galvin and I live at 5 Mohawk Avenue across the street from the Quick Check site. I came to you on numerous occasions over the past year begging and pleading for your help to uphold the integrity of not only my neighborhood but also our town. Despite only a single neighbor writing in support of the project, a neighbor whom has also received compensation from quick check, the serious concerns from multiple neighbors and other town residents were dismissed and the developers and businesses were awarded eight variances. That is every single special request that Quick Check has made. The only limitation made on the construction of all three business sites was the building hours. They were limited to 6:30 a.m. to 6 pm uh Monday through Friday and 8:00 a.m. to 400 pm on sat Saturday. Uh Sundays were off and they were to observe federal holidays as well. Uh, I would also now like to thank Kevin Manelo because um I don't know how many times we have called you and you have answered to address any of our uh questions and other breaches of the agreement uh such as a 545 construction vehicle uh backup beeping and full sites uh working on Junth. Then on Veterans Day, five large gas tanks that were to be buried underground were scheduled to be delivered along with uh the massive crane. They came on the holiday and worked an almost complete day. I was told that this was

quote a compromise, but the only ones that seem to be doing any compromising uh were the town residents. Now Quick Check, Chipotle, and the new mattress store are coming in front of the board again with additional variances requested for their signage. The already large Bright Science will now be even more prominent. The quote business corridor that we have unfortunately been designated uh to will become dominant by new monstrous by new monstrous stone wall and towering signage. Want an image uh to greet those on on our town via Route 7. I would also like to ask the zoning board to consider why the rules and regulations in regard to usage, construction, signage, and etc were designated in the first place. There is no need for our town to bend over backwards to accommodate these businesses. They are joining our neighborhood and profiting off our community. It is time for them to listen to us and adjust to our requirements uh if they would like to become part of the town of Brunswick. And that's from Victoria Galvin. Um thank you very much for listening to us. And again, as a resident who is going to be uh one of the few that's going to be living with this uh every single day, seeing this from my windows, uh please consider all the signs and regulations that you guys put forth uh for this. Thank you. Thank you.

Hi. Uh, Vinnie Damopalito, six mohawk A, the guy actually next to all that. Um, so I appreciate already reducing the big ask down on the number of signs and the total signage. Uh, but if I was reading this application right, there's still being asked for signs that are larger than what we usually suggest. Correct. like the freestanding uh signs are bigger than I mean I understand we've kind of got a lot of competition when it comes to gas stations but driving up and down I noticed all the prices are kind of the same you know within a few pennies I don't see the need to have signs quite so large um now are these also LED signs that are going to be like obstructed so they're trying not to throw too much light that Yeah. Um I I can appreciate that. The bigger the sign though, obviously, the more light being thrown. And there's actually, like I alluded to earlier, quite a bit of light pollution already in our area. Uh so at the corner of Huzzac and Mohawk, I uh had a little light detector with me uh that I was able to get my hands on and there is 11 lumen uh already crossing from Price Shopper Plaza and just the ambient light right down there is six. Uh and it does kind of dissipate. So when you get up to our mailboxes and so my mailbox their driveway the galvvin's there uh the you still have uh one lux coming across and you're like oh one that's a lot less than the 11 you can still see my shadow when I stand on the road right now with that and the ambient should only be 0 2 uh up there. So, just something to consider with all these extra lit signs,

especially like signs that are apparently going to be lit 247. Um, when being next to Huzza, I know we do have traffic that entire time. However, I don't think there's enough of it to justify that much of a bigger sign being constantly lit like a beacon. Um, now is there still I thought at one point there was going to be a sign that was like almost 19 feet tall. Is that not suggested anymore? Like was it a queue on a pole? Because uh Sorry. I No. Okay. Yeah, you're referring to the Okay. Oh, okay. So,

uh, no. So, I was happy to hear about the queue on the building is got the building blocking the light from coming up the hill. Um, but no. Okay. I was just misreading the one there. Thank you. Um uh yeah, I guess that's 20 20t 20T. That's 20 feet. That so the the on the monument sign, the pylon sign 20T freestanding sign. And now is that from the sidewalk or from their already elevated uh driveway or parking lot? be it'd be from the grade up already. So that's going to be at least what over 20ent.

Oh, okay. Okay. So only to the base of my driveway. Gotcha. All right. No, no, no, no. I was just using uh my place as a landmark because of the way the elevation works in our uh neighborhood. So, okay. Thank you.

Okay. Thank you. Robin Jones, um, 105 Hillside Avenue, and sitting here and listening to all the variances about signs and lights, the the neighborhood, the aesthetics of this neighborhood, my neighborhood, has already been destroyed. It gets worse and worse. Now we have this huge wall and listening to all the information tonight, all these additional lights. Um, it's it's a a commercial circus that's becoming around the corner that I've looked at all summer long that I'll continue to look at all the while that I live here. No one that's on any of the boards, unfortunately, has this across the street from you or in your backyard. the zoning board, the planning board, the town board, you still have peace and quiet to a point. I just please want you to listen to everything that's been said tonight and think about what it would be like if you're looking out your window all the time and seeing this. If you're hearing it, um, it's not pleasant. It's chasing people away.

We talked with a lady a few days ago, my husband and myself, and they were so distraught they moved out of Springbrook, which is up the roadways, but they couldn't deal with the traffic any longer. We left Clifton Park 38 years ago because of the traffic that was there. It's no better here now, but I don't want to be chased from my home. Just take things into consideration, please. Thank you.

Thank you. So during the course of the public hearing that's still open um some questions came up from some of the residents um the letters that the zoning board members received um have issues in them. Uh so the majority of the letters that we have received tonight um have concerns about quick check. I don't think the applicant has received these uh letters of public comment. There there about six of them.

When were they received? They were received tonight right before the meeting. Right. Okay. So um thank you. Um you want provide a copy or is it any different than the comments we heard thus far?

Right. So I summarized some um some have been read by Mr. Galvin. So for the zoning board members, we have um an option to uh ask the applicant to respond. So some of the questions that have come up tonight uh during the course of the public hearing um are in the letters that have been submitted to us. Um that's an option, of course. uh we could um continue the public hearing um close the public hearing and then um we have the 62 days to render a decision. Um kind of looking for a direction on which way the board Oh, and then again another option would be to like we've done previously tonight to break down the um variances that are being requested. we could take them individually as opposed to taking them um as a group as a group.

I'd be happy to respond to a few of the comments we received thus far as well. That would be helpful. will allow you that of course.

Yeah, do that first before you decide whether to extend.

Uh, sure. Or does anyone have any um strong feelings on how we should proceed? Um, continue the way that we're going. We're in the middle of a public hearing right now. Um it sounds like the public comments have um been completed. Allow them to um have come up again. If there's anyone else who wishes to speak otherwise I think we would close the public hearing. We've noted that um for the record for review that we have received these letters um that they've been admitted into record on this application. Um we receive them right before the meeting. That's enough time for people to review them at that time. Obviously, the applicant has not um had that opportunity to review the letters looking at them. Now, um we can continue and take the variances um singularly or we can u look at the variances together.

But I'd like to hear what the applicant has to say. I think that answers our questions. If you want to decide to continue or not open to Okay. That sounds like a way to go. Okay. Thank you, John. Thank you, Darl. Yeah. So, if you'd like to respond to some of the the comments that you've read in those letters.

Sure. I'll I'll touch um briefly, but can go into further detail if you have any additional questions. Uh there were a lot of comments and questions just regarding to the height, the height of the signs, the height of the sites, um and the height of the freestanding sign. So, I just want to note that we're not requesting a variance from the height of the freestanding sign. That's compliant. That sign is located at our driveway as Kevin mentioned. So, it's going to be flush with the sidewalk elevation at the driveway. The wall that was brought up with the height that's going to increase the height of signs, you know, it gradually um gets taller and taller as you go west because the road is dropping and it's a higher elevation. So, that's not really changing um the height of our signs, just a perspective of where you are on the surrounding road network. Um

yeah the overall size of the sign the area square footage correct obviously a lot of the concerns about the height of the signage down a little but it may bring down the size of the height as well.

It doesn't need to per code. We would still be able to provide a 20 foot um tall sign. It is it was my point is we're not seeking relief from that as part of our application. There was a lot of discussion of the height of um the branded logo. So that quick check brand logo or the queue that we're referring to to simplify it. That logo is uh it represents their business, right? So that's what they're trying to make this uh community aware of. It's like the golden arches, right? It's their brand. That's why they have that sign in addition to the script quick check. Um just wanted to re reiterate that that is in front of a wall that's facing the front of uh the building facing south. No wall signs are projecting or visible from the rear residencies. That will include lighting. And if you also look at the location of the building to those residents on Mohawk, that building is positioned in front of the freestanding sign, right? So, you're not going to be able to see uh that sign or lighting from those houses. So, that touches briefly on uh the height of the logo and some lighting concerns. They are back lit lights similar to the prior application where it's LEDs inside the light housing. There's no shining lights, no bulbs, so you won't see that glare. If you were to take a phototric uh meter reading, you wouldn't see any lighting spillage beyond that immediate perimeter of that sign. So, there will be no excess lighting pollution at the property line of the required 02 foot candles. Um, some of the street lights or ambient lighting in the area obviously impacts some of those reading levels. As was demonstrated, some of the existing conditions out there are going to be

brighter than what we're going to be contributing to that area for lighting. There was a request that the sign be set back the same as the neighbor. So, we are set back at a a consistent distance to that neighboring freestanding sign that was uh approved earlier tonight. I touched on the light pollution. We touched on the elevations again. And then a consistent theme throughout the public comments and these letters is just community character, right? So, there's a lot of discussion on how do you answer that community character question? I think the the largest discussion we had with this board around the community character was at our last meeting where um that was a concern of this board at our first meeting. So the next meeting they asked the building department to do a lot of homework and review of other similar variances that have been granted in the community other competing uh businesses. So, we did find that we are consistent with some of the other uh commercial developments, sizes, number of signs. So, we wouldn't want to be put at a um competitive disadvantage to some of those other businesses uh for our site here. So, we do feel we fit within the uh community of this commercial corridor. We don't think our request is substantial as we're under that 300 foot threshold. We're just allocating the signage in a few different places and uh we would request that this board uh really consider trying to make a decision this evening. As you you all know, the site's under construction. These signs need to be ordered uh in order to have adequate signage on the building for opening. I know that's not a concern within the five criteria for

granting variances, but just time is of the essence for us, too. So we would um appreciate you know a hard look at this. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you. I have a question. Sure. So on um the gas uh pumps themselves there are cues on that or they are they have additional logo and branding

right there is a Q on them that sit underneath the gas canopy that you're asking for the quick check for the queue up there. I already have a key on the gas.

Yeah, you won't you won't see those dispensers from the road. Those will be um at grade and when you drive by a gas station, those are smaller signs. You you really can't see the activity that's going on underneath those canopies. So, as you're driving down the corridor, you'll see the top of the canopy before you'll see uh those dispensers. But I thought that I heard you say the purpose of the quick check queue on the canopy is to let people know that it's quick check gas. Even though you have the pylon sign that says quick check and it has the uh the um

the prices on there. And then when you get up to the pumps, there's the cues on the pumps which would indicate that it's quick check gas once you're there. Yep. Seems to me that well, if you're pulling in to get gas and you pull up and you see the quick check on the canopy and you see the quick check on the pump, it's it's it like repeats itself. That's the way that I interpret it.

Just a couple things that I'm thinking too. We've also talked a lot about the gas can signs and some of the other locations that have been referenced and it seems like most of them, especially ones on either street uh on the secondary area, most of those canies are actually blocking the road. So this one is, you know, away from the side of the building, not technically locking it. So they're coming same huge canopy blocking the doors of building. So I can understand case by case cases everything's a little bit different where there would be allowance of signs on the gas canopy, you know, versus here. And I think the the goal here is to try to, you know, as much as we possibly can to balance that. Uh the other question I have is if we stand and there's no relief given and it's just allowed unless what would that require.

So if the freestanding sign requesting for that is denied and what is allowed is only seven square feet. What would that look like? Be a much smaller sign. Right. And would the intent be that it's on a pole or would it change to a monument or

so what is the per what is the purpose of freestanding signage? Right? It's it's to identify where your driveway is, where the site is to pull into, right? So you need signage that's clearly visible well in advance for sight distances to turn into your driveway. Part of that is adequate height over the cars that are in front of you. So, I imagine the height would stay, right? And it would be smaller script text, so it would be harder to read. We don't like the idea of going smaller because it is going to be harder to read and not notice again with a a brand that's not familiar with this market. So, um I don't think, and we've already reduced it, I don't think we want to consider reducing that anymore because it's not just it's not just the sign rates that it's the pricing. So that eats away quite a bit of our allowable square footage for this use compared to a different use. So that is um hurting us in this situation. But again, that's that's also why similar and competiting businesses have similar size signs, right? They're there's a minimum that they were willing to go to were consistent with that because they still needed to be um safe for the traveling public. Has have they designed any signs where the Q is part of the work that

No. So this is this is like branding logo, right? So when I say Q, that's just to make it relatable for for everybody to identify, but that's their brand and their logo, right? That you're not really changing or playing around with their brand or logo. They won't do that. Yeah. But I I like the idea of knocking them one by one talking through it. If if the concern is the fuel canopy, we can we can talk about that or or go through the deliberation on that separate from the freestanding or the wall signs too.

Because you spoke of um quick check coming in as a new neighbor to a new um community to a new um business um opportunity. Um, so as a new neighbor to kind of maybe to be consistent and for the uniformity of the the monument signs because they're right, they're opposing each other in the entrance. You um you have one and then the quick check one. Um so maybe as a new neighbor that would be something that would benefit quick check um to be more consistent and um have a uniform look in that neighborhood. What's the ask? smaller sign,

yes, would be to decrease the sign of the size of the pylon sign. But our our neighbors of fuel service stations are consistent, right? We're we're consistent with fuel service stations. Our neighbors right next door, they don't have to include the area of fuel prices in their signs, right? So, ours is bigger for that reason. You're choosing to to include that in your sign. Fuel pricing, right?

It's an industry standard for gas stations. Yes. Yes, but we don't want to be held to a comparable to a retail, right? Hold us comparable to our our competition of fuel service or other um gas stations in the market. But looking at it from the community and town's perspective, we have one sign that's 20 feet tall. And then we have another sign in the same complex that's only 9 ft tall. Whatever the height of that other one is, the other one isn't

n and 1/2 ft tall. And it's it doesn't balance out at all. It doesn't it's not a good look for the community and for the complex to have this monster sign and then this small sign. We weren't involved in the neighboring business signage of what was proposed. They opted to go to the 9 ft. They're allowed to go to the 20 ft like we are. Um lower signs again have a visibility concern with vehicles in front of you. Right? when you're looking at signage, you got to be a certain height above for advertising, and that's what's proposed here. And then also, um, we're able to be above it. So, I see it as a little bit of a benefit because now you're going to be able to see the quick check sign over, uh, that neighboring sign, too, for folks traveling westbound to be able to turn into the site. I understand that, but you know, we're looking at it from the community from the community's benefit and what fits best into our community and the look that we want in our community. And it I'm not sure that that's the way that we would want to go to have that because we have other gas stations that have signs that are not 20 ft tall. So, Yeah, I'm just we're not here for a height variance.

So is it the size with it that's the concern or we're asking can there be a compromise on the height in relation to the belief of the size of the sign? So you're ask So what you're Yes, because they're they're asking for 90 square feet of the leaf. So if they weren't hidden 90 square feet of the leaf and there was a compromise there because the sign would be shorter because the overall size of the sign. Gotcha. Size of the sign start from the height first and come down. You've also gott from the ground up to the bottom of the sign.

We've got 8t. I mean that 8 ft I wouldn't want to go below six just from its location and and seeing you want to be able to see through when vehicles are what's your total square footage on that one this one here okay then yeah that is deleted

this one here is 10 foot three This might be what we're trying to ask the height. Yeah. Okay. It's the 10.

Yeah. Bring that down two or three feet. Yeah. So that height goes from 20 to say 17. that down three feet. I'll give you still that visibility window. If a car is stacked trying to leave the site there down seven but you still request the same size.

I wasn't changing the size and just what I was saying. Yeah. Just dropping that pole the three feet. Yeah. Yeah, she has that. Oh, thank you, Darl. All right. Good. No. All right.

You want to go through one by one? Uh, sure. So, um, you're saying, uh, go through each variance one by one. I think we're going to have to because, you know, at some point we just have to decide what we're going to do. Right. Right. It's still one public hearing. Right. I'll note it's it's one application that requests a number of variances, but it is one application and it was noticed for a single public hearing. So you would not be able to keep the public hearing open with respect to certain variance requests and close it on others. It is one application.

So whether or not whether your deliberations deal with the particular requests one by one is not the same as it is one complete application and one noticed public hearing that includes all the requests. So your option is to keep the public hearing open. that would apply to all sign variance requests or close the public hearing. That would apply to all sign variance requests and it's a separate issue on whether you proceed to act at this meeting. The law allows you 62 days. Okay, those are all procedural options for you.

And secret, we do have to redo secret. Correct. Oh, sure. We would allow the public to add. It's still open. So,

right. Yeah, I agree. And what do you need? Do you need um responses to the issues that have come up from the applicant in in regards to the extended time that you need to review?

So, we do also have the applicant here. if I could consult with them and just see if they had any other suggestions before of course um delaying this as I know you know time is of the essence too. Of course. Thanks. The public hearing is still open.

Bill Bradley of Ball Mountain Road. Um I'd like to thank the board for the questions that they are asking. Um I would like to point out uh that Mr. Fry Tag is right about the height situation. If he was not asking for a variance, since he's asking for a variance in the in the in the size of the sign, this board, I believe, is fully within their rights to ask for the change in height as part of a size variance of that sign. So, I'd like to, you know, I I could be incorrect, but um that should be considered. I would like to see this board hold this public hearing open and request the applicant provide some additional maybe um renderings just go with a lower sign. You know, this is right back to the cookie again is that they're saying economic disadvantage to their competitors. Well, Senoko up here, like I say, has a very small sign. Cland Farms is not 20t tall. So, you know, yes, we do have some tall tall signs, but you know, they are asking for a variance. This board has some latitude in dictating if they're going to allow that variance and how that variance will be handled. Thank you.

Thank you. So, Patricia um uh brought up her interest in holding open the public hearing. Um closing public hearing. I'm fine with closing. Okay. Would you like to work within those 62 days to review um what has been deliberated and what you've heard tonight and then for responses um by the applicant. Is that part of what you're um looking for or Yeah.

Um well, I kind of like um Mr. Bradley's suggestion that maybe some uh renderings that show a sign that's more in line with what we're looking for for the score. Okay. And you had a discussion with

I did. And um he he does mention that we are able to agree to some relief uh tonight because they do they're they're pouring footings and you know under construction. So there is consideration to that too. But if we wanted to bring that height down slightly, we could accommodate that and work in how that's affected if it's the pole or the signage getting smaller. Um if there's a height that would make sense. um or looking at the uh fuel canopy signage if that's also um something that you're really considering that he would be willing to uh remove um some of those canopy signs to continue to move this application forward. And I think by delaying um the hearing tonight, that's what is going to be considered anyway of, hey, does it really make sense to have those signs or not? So maybe we could expedite that um by making some of those decisions tonight. But he did just offer that up.

So I have a one thought on me signs like I brought up before where we talked about these two blocking buildings and kind of like what we just did with the recent two applications depending on site and whatot are they really needed. So from my point of view I could see where you would want the sign on the east side. If you're coming from the west you're seeing the building first and that's going to be your sign plus your sign. So, you know, if it were me, yes, I would say that eliminating sense.

No, I'm talking about this sign right here on the east side. You're coming from the east side on top of traveling west. Yeah. But you're going to have this big final. You're going to have this big finance up there. And you're going to have this check up there. Yeah, I see the sign.

Well, and I guess maybe just put a little fine point on that. So the purpose of the pyline sign is for the attention and to notify um drivers going by you know what the purpose of that um establishment is and then I thought then the purpose of the uh fuel pump canopy signs was for the branding. Correct.

Um it wasn't necessarily to draw the east the westbound traffic coming in and not the eastbound traffic coming in. So, um, right, I I could see why an an elimination of the fuel pump can't be, uh, cues and quick check signs, um, uh, would be helpful knowing that it's that green, that beautiful quick check green, and that, um, the purpose of the pylon sign out front is to draw in customers. Is the whole canopy light?

No. Some of them do. And again, we didn't apply for that here, just knowing the residential districts behind us. Yep. Yep.

So, procedurally, how we doing? I have to go. Of course. Would you like to say something before you go?

I appreciate that you're going through every one of them. That looks fantastic. Please don't forget the cue that it's more than double the size of what's in our code. So we're talking about identifying road. We're talking about identifying it as green canopy. We can identify it looking at the building. Keep in mind, do we need to have the highest sign that double the size of what's keeping up higher. It's still the I appreciate there's a wall behind it, but it's the overall height of what we're seeing that is horrible.

Okay. Thank you. 2.6. That's the size of it. It's three uh 6.9. Yeah. Yeah, I understand that. But it's 22.6 ft square feet. The size.

Oh, okay. So, it sounds like we're kind of breaking down each of the variances one by one. So, um we could um do a last call for uh the public hearing if anybody else wants to come up and speak. Uh we could close the public hearing. We could um decide to deliberate um taking one by one. We could use the 60 days that we're allowed. um kind of like want to a feeling on that if you kind of make that kind of a decision. Well, I would like to see what the new signs look like.

Okay, great. All right. So, it sounds like um which which sign is of concern here as far as like if you if you did some to the height and the size of it. Yep. So, the square footage the height we can absorb in the poles. So that same image that you've got, right? So the poles will just get a little bit shorter and it'll be lower. That's what we can do with the height. And if there's a height in mind that you're considering, we can we can see of what that pole needs to go down to. Is it 18t? Is it 16 feet?

What's neighbor one? What's the neighbor monument sign height? 9 foot six. Yeah. So right now proposed a height of 20. Yeah. So 20 on one side and nine on the other.

So it's double more than double but it's a different style. Right. So and I can understand that because you're going to talk about pricing. So and I get

the pricing on the sight line. So we're on the side of the driveway where vehicles are leaving the site, right? So you have a clear space underneath. That sign doesn't have a clear space underneath because vehicles are coming in, right? So as you're leaving, you can't look next to you and see a sign. You need to see underneath that sign for a cars um coming. So that's why our sign is a little bit different, right? If you go down to that nine feet, our sign is gone because you can't have a wall next to those vehicles leaving the site. So, if you dropped it down, you said you could drop it down to what?

18 we could do in the poll. If we go to 16, we're going to have to look to see if the size of the sign has to be reduced as well. Um, so 18 would be preferred, but again, if you think that's out of the character of this neighborhood, um, 16 we can figure out. So, what's the square? What does it come out to be? it would be less than the 70. I don't know what we would need to reduce that. Would that make sense? I don't know if you know 50 on each side of 100

of 100 100 square feet significant difference and what's there but in order to get that extra height width would be the same 10 ft it would be proportional The width would probably be like seven feet for that size. Less light too. Yeah, it's all less sign. Yeah.

So, the height is being is being proposed to be decreased and the overall square footage is being proposed to decreased. Correct. I said 18. Hugh said 16. Maybe we give a compromise of 17 plus or minus.

You've been summoned. Seems like a horse. He just reassured us. It's the same size or it's the same rendering, right? It's just shrunk to the smaller size.

Okay. Yeah. The letter is forever.

Well, we can't the science can't be eliminated. And I think there's been a lot of compromise on both sides and I you know I I agree with it's it's going to be smaller. So seeing a a rendering of the sign I don't know what it's going to do for you. I mean I mean it was significantly reduced the public making it I mean I'm good with

I I think that was significant compromise You want to go one by one and then uh sure. All right. I'll take them one by one.

That's an option for the board. Still in front of you. The public hearing is open. Um if closed, you'll need to first address seeker and then address the requested variances. So, if you can kind of sit down for now, I'm gonna invite the public if they'd like to come forward for a final time. There's any other public comment, you're welcome to come up and offer that right now, please.

Hello again, Timothy Galvin, five Mohawk Avenue. Um just again from a practical standpoint from someone who lives and drives on a road every single day. Um we're going to be sitting in traffic because everyone knows that uh we all just sit in traffic every day to and from work. Um so I don't foresee people flying down up and down street and missing the signs and things like that. Uh we'll be sitting and crawling up who's street particularly at this one spot. Um, so if they decide they need to turn, make a right to go into Quick Track or get into the median lane to go into Quick Check, they'll have ample time to do so because of the traffic. Um, and again, was it brought up or maybe I just misheard? Is there any kind of sign that's be put on the face of the giant wall or is that going to be left blank?

There's no application to put on the on the wall at all or anything like that. Okay. Um, and again, just as a resident who lives right there, and I do appreciate, uh, quick check, uh, trying to be mindful now to of us and the residents as far as trying to reduce the light pollution. Um, I will say there's light pollution all directions from all the windows I see from my house, from the neon purple of Taco Bell that I see in my bedroom, uh, to all the Walmart lights that I now see because of all the trees and houses that have been knocked down. Um, so yes, even though it has been brought up that it would be reduced, I'm still going to see light pollution uh all over the place. Uh, so thank you.

Anybody else like to comment? Hearing no further public comment, I make a motion to close the public hearing. Thank you, John. Remember second. Oh, sorry. I Thank you, John. All in favor? Public hearing is closed. On board members, prepare, deliberate, and act on the application, which you said that you'd like to do. Um, take each hearing on it on the board. We do have to do a seat first. Right. Right. Right.

You know, I don't have it with me. I do believe it was forwarded to the county. Okay. I just didn't bring it tonight.

What? You have not gotten it back from the county? Okay. So, so that unfortunately I wish we knew that several minutes ago. So, the application was forwarded to the county. Do you know when it was forwarded to the county? Okay. We haven't gotten the county 239M recommendation back. Is there a way you can see when that was sent?

If it was sent 30 days ago, of which it was sent October, right? because the notice was changed and pushed to November. So, I'm not sure if there's a way to verify that at this moment. Well, if it's not verifiable at this moment, understand that that is an absolute jurisdictional issue with any action that the board takes and it will avoids the action that the board takes. Okay. So, and I appreciate an applicant's construction schedule, but that's Yeah. And

I just know we were teed up for the November meeting, right? I understand. And that um public notice from the town was requested to be redone. So, we lost a month there. This is our third or fourth ZBA meeting. It's It's tough. But, I I understand it's a it's an issue. Um, I don't know if there's a file Right.

Right. It's January 19th. That makes January 19th.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. later in January. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The record that's a big issue. Yeah. Yeah. Sure. Yeah. And um we would have to be in receipt of that letter. Yeah. Or confirm the 30 days of surprises that time. Yeah.

No. No. No. Right. All right. All right. Um yeah. So after consulting with um attorney Gilchrist um what we could do so that we the zoning board the zoning board appeals meets again January 19th 2025 which that might be a holiday weekend. So that might even that Monday might even be further the next um but what

yeah okay so what we could do and what we have done in the past for situations like this is schedule a special meeting um where this application is the only application on the agenda for that. Um, so we would have to confirm that um we're that the board is in receipt of the letter from RER County um Bureau of Economic Development and Planning or that 30 days has has passed, right?

Um all all note is I think it's been the town's experience, the board's experience that the county generally not generally has always responded in writing on the application. So, I am a little concerned about that 30-day elapse issue. They they are timely on the these types of uh variance applications with the zoning board. That will allow time to confirm that and coordinate with the county on getting that since it is jurisdictional. I do have concern about making sure any action that the board takes is not subject to challenge. So, the building department will do that and they'll notify us and they'll notify you and you will notify us. No,

now the building department will coordinate and and confirm that with the county. Okay. Thank you. And then since the public hearing is closed, is there a 10-day notice or we don't have to renotice for that special meeting? Oh, no, no, no. There will be a notice of special meeting, but not for a public hearing. No, it won't be. Public hearing is closed. Well, thank you. It be a special meeting just if the board chooses to do that just to deliberate consideration.

Um, right. So would you meet like to meet on a Monday? So on a Monday before the week of the 19th check I can look I think how long does it take for the So there's two Mondays before the 19th. Um which would probably we probably need the 26th anyway. So the 5th seems soon. I don't know the 12th. Would that give enough time? January 12th calendar, right? Chris,

there's the possibility that when we leave here to sign checks, it turns out that yeah, right? And then you have to wait at least 30 days or a response to that.

Correct. So, it went out. We know it went out, right? is by which case it wouldn't matter when you study or we have to do that at least 30 days. So maybe a plan would be to date contingent upon confirmation that that county planning actually went out. um and the applicant about whether or not that special going forward don't put a notice for it to happen.

Okay. And do you believe that January 12th, 2026 would be a reasonable uh date? That would work for my schedule. Okay. Again, assuming that January tentatively set it for the 12 and then we have to wait to find out. Okay. Sean and Daryl, how's that for you? Six. Uh 12. No, at six.

Oh, sorry. Yes, at six o'clock. Good, good question, Darl. Thank you. Andy, are we able to do SRA? That's up to the board. I mean, procedurally the the board could I'm not sure how that advances. I understand that. I understand that. Uh generally the board has done the seeking determination in conjunction with action on the applications but that's that's up to the board. Oh the applicant's asking whether or not we do seek secret tonight or or wait for the special meeting. That's correct. Yeah that's that's up to the board procedurally how you want to handle it.

Right. Right. So with the proposed action, if we're breaking them apart, would we do seeker for each um action? No. What you've generally done is each seeker remember it's one application. Yeah. Right.

You've done one seeker determination, but you've in your deliberations you've addressed each parents. Does anybody have any strong feelings on what we do here tonight or something special meeting the same determination based on

Well, I I I guess I pause then because you do need to know what the action is in front of view there's been a at this point I'm not sure what what the monument sign specifications that are definitively being proposed. Um guess we decide question. We can wait. That's fine. I was I was just questioning but maybe coming out of this meeting then um we'll just formally request that and respond of what's um being presented at that special meeting and request a special meeting and then you guys will respond by setting that date once it's confirmed.

Yeah. And think about this approach as well. What gets sent to the county is your application. Based on your presentation prior to opening the public hearing and the deliberations that were held during it, it appears that there's been further modification to your signed proposal, your signed package. It might make sense if you considered a written submission clearly now definitive. This is what we're proposing for the sign variance. This is what we may be proposing for the canopies. So the county planning agency knows this is the proposal. Now I just want to talk about that for a second.

What we're talking about is a complete reduction. So if that county referral has already been made, my understanding is we don't need to resubmit to the county. Oh, that's correct. So you would you would be comfortable with them responding to what's already it could be but understand if there are certain comments in there or recommendations or there is a negative recommendation from the county that has procedural impacts on the board. Yeah. Yeah. So, um, maybe the order of business is certainly confirm whether anything's been sent. Um, and maybe it just makes sense for the record to consult with your client and do a submission as to what is that the current proposal may be.

Yep. Okay. Okay. Well, yeah, appreciate. And as a practical matter, you should be advised the county planning department works very well with the building department and they're in communications and and they can be fairly timely on getting recommendations back. I imagine couple phone calls. We would like to clean up any I think I would too. I think it makes sense for the record. All right. Okay. Thank you. Appreciate your time.

Well, you can attend. You're welcome to attend. Correct. And will there be a posting? Yes, there'll be a not once the the date for the special meeting if one is to be held is set. There'll be a notice of special meeting that's posted on the sign board and on the website. Yeah. Any other um items for any business? No. I make a motion to adjourn tonight's meeting with a member second and second. Thank you, Patricia. All in favor? Thank you very much.