Historic and Architectural Preservation Board - Regular Meeting

Alright. Seeing it's 09:00, we'll open, the Historic Architectural Preservation Board meeting from 01/08/2026. We have a roll call.

Chair Beebe?

Yes.

Ms. Trammell? Here. Ms. Derryberry? Mr. Steckerede? Green.

Mr. Mr.

Green.

Accept Mr. Green's absence. Someone like to move a motion?

I'll make that.

I'll make the motion. Second?

I'll second.

Right. Gene seconds it. All right. All in favor? Aye. Opposed? All right. He is excused officially.

All

right. Approval of the minutes. Before you have the approval of the minutes of 11/13/2025, is there any corrections or revisions that anyone sees? If not, we'll entertain a motion to approve.

I approve. Second.

All right. All in favor? Aye. Opposed? Minutes from November 13 are approved. Any general audience participation today?

No, we do not.

All right, thank you. Right, we'll go move to our first case on here. We have we'll open the public hearing and we are seeking a recommendation to City Council for ad valorem tax exemption for improvements to a property in the local register of historic residences. This is P L A R 25 -three 14 At 500 Nassau Street South. Staff member will be Harry Klinghammer, and the owner applicant is Michael and Alice German.

So are there any anyone opposed? Has anyone, I guess, Mr. Klinghammer is the only one speaking for this. So the attorney, Mr. Lewis, should we query the board here? Does

anyone on this board have any ex parte communication regarding this application? No. Please let the record reflect that there's board has indicated no ex parte communication. Does anybody on this board have a conflict of interest that needs to be stated on the record? Please let the record reflect that the

board has indicated there's no conflicts of interest. Thank you.

All right, Mr. Kringhammer. Good morning. Good morning. Chair

Beebe, just need to read the memorandum of disclosure.

Oh, I'm sorry. Yes.

This is to certify that the public hearing for this petition was appropriately advertised on 12/20/2020 required by the City Of Venice Land Development Code. Proof of publication is on file in the planning and zoning office.

Thank you. All right. Good morning, Chair and members of the Historical Architectural Preservation Board. You have before you today an ad valorem tax exemption application for the property at 500 Nassau Street South. You have already seen this project in terms of the COA that they had applied for.

Now they are on the local register. They are now applying for the Edward tax exemption for the work that they're going to be doing on this property. So you have for you today the application that spells out the work that they're going to be doing. It's been reviewed already by you. It's been reviewed by me as well as far as it following the Secretary of the Interior Standards. And so you have before you today, like I said, the application, the applicants are here. And we are seeking a recommendation for bringing this before city council.

Okay. Thank you very much. Is there any questions for Mr. Klinghaber at this point by the Board? All right, seeing none. Is there a presentation on this at all? I don't know that there would be any.

Well, you should receive the application in your packet that spells out all the improvements that are listed again. It should be just repetitive of what was in the COA application that you had approved earlier, I should say last year I guess at this point. Right.

All right. I don't know that anyone does any Board member have any questions regarding this or any questions for Mr. Klinghammer? No? All right. Seeing none. Any audience participation regarding this?

Okay.

I do not. I don't know if the applicants would like to say anything.

It's up to you, you don't have to.

You don't have to.

But you would need to come to the microphone if you speak.

I would just like I would just like to say thank you for doing this program and for allowing us to apply for it. We're really gonna try to do restoration. I'm not whining and asking for money, but it's turning into a fairly expensive operation. Anything that, you know, you guys can do as far as recommending tax abatement would be greatly appreciated. We're still gonna do a number one class restoration. I think we're gonna make council, the town, our neighborhood and ourselves proud. That's really all I have to say. We're underway anyway.

We're underway. Well, you very much for your And comments, just from our Board standpoint, you are doing what this Board intends to do. You are really understanding historic preservation by taking on this project. I know it's going to be a long haul, but they all are. But this is a really significant house and it's going to be amazing.

This town is very unique as you know. And this is just one of the biggest pieces of unique properties that we have. And thank you for the efforts you're going through from this Board. And if we can help you in any way, you just let us know. We would be happy to help you.

Thank you

very much. To the degree we can.

I'd like to piggyback to Mark's question. We see a lot of projects roll through here through the years and a lot of times we will get the statement that the building is too far gone to restore. And I think your building is an example that although it can be pretty bad off, every building can be properly restored with enough care and enough financial backing to make that happen. I just appreciate you regarding the building enough to want to save it and thank you for that.

It's going

to be a neat house. Going be a very neat house. And we thank the city for the backing of this Board to be able to do this type of exemption from ad valorem taxes because that's the city is behind us. So we appreciate that. So thank you very much.

Sure. Thank you. Thanks.

All right. I'm going to go ahead and close the public hearing and entertain a motion, for this approval. Someone like to make a motion.

I make the motion that the Board approves the application as presented PLA R25 -two for recommendation to city council to place on the local register.

I'll second that.

Second. I'm not sure. Is that the correct motion?

Did I get the number wrong?

I think it gave you a PLRL00314. Okay. Is that right? Sorry. And we make our recommendations to city council for approval. Is that? Yes.

Okay. I got the number wrong. My bad.

That's okay. As long as we approve the correct one.

I'll still second it.

All right. Jean seconds it. We'll do a roll call vote on this.

Mr. Watkins?

Yes.

Ms. Trammell?

Yes.

Mr. Barrack?

Yes.

Mr. Steckerede? Yes. And Chair Beebe?

Yes. All right. Congratulations. You are approved. So enjoy those tax savings.

So the Board also yes, so this now means the recommendation goes before City Council. So I'll be preparing that. So the applicants know it is going to take a city ordinance. So that's gonna be two readings at city council before it gets approved. But I'll be working with the city clerk staff and the planning and zoning staff to get that onto the soonest city council agenda that's available. And of course two, I'll be working with the applicants to kind of guide them into getting the same tax ad valorem exemption from the county. So are we guiding them to that process and handing them off to the county staff?

Sounds good. Thanks Harry for helping them with anything you can do.

Harry, before you leave, just procedurally, can this project came before us for initial approval of the CAC. Can those two be linked or do they need to remain separate?

They can be linked, it's just that the timing wasn't there. They didn't have the local register application ready to go. So they were not eligible for the tax exemption when they came before this board for the CAC.

We wondered about that.

So yes, so it's just a matter of timing. So if the property had already been on the local register we could have done them both at the same time.

Okay. So if a new app applicant comes and they've never been on the local register and they want to do both step and step then the CAC has to come first as far as our procedures go?

No, not necessarily. I mean they could go on to the local register first and then they could do the CAC and the tax exemption at the same time. But in this case, they were not on the local register when they came forward for the CAC. So the tax exemption had to come after they were added to the local register. So if the property is already on the local register, then they can do them together. Okay. So but we had a little hiccup with the research as you probably are aware. So it took a little bit longer to get the local register application completed and so it wasn't ready to go when the CAC was.

Very much, Harry. All right. New business. Thank you very much. For new business, we have a discussion for about 205 Harbor Drive. It's a pre application. And good morning,

Good morning, and Happy New Year.

Happy New Year.

So for the record, Britney Smith, Planner, City going a sense We're we're We're new code a and at the Board's direction, this is our first pre application meeting. So the applicant is excited to bring this proposal in front of you today for the demolition and rebuild of the existing structure at 205 Harbor Drive North. The applicant is Catholic Community Foundation of Southwest Florida and the staff, our office has not done any formal review of this project, so you will be the first to see this and give your critique and feedback for the applicants so they can fine tune it before it comes first to see with you guys.

Great. Thank you very much. Yep. We've been waiting about ten years to do this. I know.

It's exciting.

We've talked about it for many years. I think it's

saw the applicant come up and we do have a copy of this electronically on the computer

for you.

Good morning, members of the Historic and Architectural Preservation Board. Thank you for your time and consideration this morning. Thank you, of planning. Also with me today is CEO of Catholic Community Foundation, Michael Morse. He's sitting right back there. Good morning. My name is John Holtz. I'm at 6619 Meandering Way Lakewood Ranch. I'm with Plunkett Rasich Architects and we are the architect of record for the Catholic Community Foundation. As you know, this building is just a little bit north of here.

I think you've all seen it, it looks like a motel. It's right across from the New Cathedral project. So we're proposing a 2,100 square foot building, one storey. It's a taller one storey commercial building for the operations of the Catholic Community Foundation. They wanted the building to look decidedly Catholic yet not overpower obviously the cathedral.

But generally nestle into the Venice theme area, the district where we sit. We are not in a floodplain, which was pretty miraculous on its own. So briefly, you're seeing the site plan. We believe the five parking spaces will be accepted. We've talked with planning to a degree.

We think that the usable space would be actually under 2,000 square feet, which would allow us then to have the five parking spaces. Otherwise, we'll seek an agreement for parking right across the street at the cathedral. Moving into the floor plan, just real generally, I wanted to show you the interior layout as it has impact on the exterior design. A large conference room is forward facing and is just north of the main public way, the public entry, which would have a covered entrance portico if you will to a reception area. And then the offices wrap the perimeter of building with a break room for staff to the north and then internal spaces that don't require daylight.

Roof plan, following the Venice theme, a minimum slope of four and twelve for the large prominent feature roof and including the portico roof. And then a minimally sloped or I should say one and twelve sloped roof that pitches towards guppers at the rear yard entirely wrapped with a parapet. And here you're seeing the east elevation, which is the principal elevation of the building. The decidedly Catholic motif of the signage for Catholic Community Foundation of Southwest Florida is displayed above a large window with an interpretation of an arch element by using the displayed ephus at the main conference room evoking the symbol of a cross. Elsewhere on the facade, the off white stucco, we're not really into coloration yet of the building except to say that we will be following the Venice theme standards for very light earth tones, predominantly one color with subtle second color as required to meet the standards.

And the arch conditions could be used and deployed brackets for the at the roofline And barrel tile metal roofing, we've used this on a recent project and we favor the metal tile that looks like a clay tile roof. It has actually the gravelly material on it, so it's not smooth. We've presented this before. Very likely at the very next time we go before this group, we'd have those samples. The stucco material, we take the recommendations right from the right from, I think it's the Chapter seven in terms of how that stucco finish would appear.

A slightly modern interpretation of the base, this would be a cast stone which is an accepted material of Venice theme. The windows are thin and tall, generally in groups of three or singular unit. As we march around the building, we have bays that project out, create that articulation generally in groups of three. Where we don't need windows and don't want windows, we're deploying an ornamental relief with inlay tile, ceramic or I should say a porcelain tile, probably like the bluish tile that you see throughout Venice Island. The color of the barrel roof somewhere the reddish or brownish tone, I think we're going to really study the campus, the Catholic campus that exists here.

Here we're seeing both the rear elevation which is west and then the north elevation. Both of these elevations are pretty difficult to see from the street, although you I should say the side yards, although you will see them as you drive by the very beginnings of those elevations. They do remain important, it's four sided architecture. And then of course the west elevation, which is the rear, you do see those integral scuppers. We interpret the Venetian theme, while it generally prohibits gutters and downspouts, it did seem to offer if scuppers and downspouts were integrated into the design This is a view approaching from Harbor Drive from the North where you see, again this is more of a white box model, just preliminarily getting the form in place.

The coloration not really part of the design yet, but you can get a sense from it that we will be using more of an off white stucco. The very gentle arches being part of the design aesthetic. And then from the parking, the existing curb cut which we're going to use and then the subtle bump outs of those bays projecting a couple inches to then set up that rhythm and that play of the arches. Brackets on both the entry portico element as well as the upper roof. And that is it with the design.

Went rather quickly I think, but certainly want to have time for all of you to opine because we want your feedback as we continue through this process. Thank you.

Great. Thank you, Mr. Holt. Very good presentation. Always good to have a design professional behind a project, helps a lot. Anyway, any comments from the board that could assist Would

it help to have a site plan to show the street where it actually sits on the property and the two streets? I have the address but you don't see the location.

You mean the current Yeah.

What is being taken down and what is being how is being placed on the new property with the street names and so on?

Well, I think his first slide was the site plan, John. Okay. But that one. Is that what you mean?

Yeah. Certainly for more context.

Now that I've seen the picture.

Is that the Google Street view you just showed, that's the site?

It is. Okay. So it's kind of fits between the two buildings adjacent. And of course they've been renovated over time, primarily residential structures that have been renovated.

Here's a really good indication of the how narrow those lots are and the proximity of the neighbor buildings.

Okay. Got it. It does look like a little motel.

My thoughts are, I know this is a commercial building, but you're in a residential context for the street, so that you're not including any divided lights in the windows and the windows seem to be a bit out of proportion to our two:one ratio that would normally be required for residential. It's not necessary, I mean you're a non residential building but you're in a residential context more or less along the street side. So maybe considering changing the proportions and maybe relating to divided lights on at least the street side windows may assist and how it relates to the context that you're in is my only comment thus far based on what you provided.

So like what we see here in our mother's house, have the six over six in the

Yes, I mean that's now being used as a non residential building, but they're still relating to the residential area with the divided lights and window proportions and such. Your project does not do that as well so far based on your

preliminary. Question back to this board. Do these proportions of these residential buildings, do they meet the Venice theme in terms of proportions? I'm definitely following the idea of divided lights to be more contextual residentially.

Right. But it

and again I have to kind of chug my memory, but in terms of the Venetian proportioning, are these a little wide maybe?

Well, they are for the most historic areas. We see these more in the Theme District where they're low ranch type houses that have been renovated. So the purely historic areas, they're they're more vertical. Many of them were two stories. So the house that just came before us is two stories and that that was typical. Although there's plenty of examples of single story. But I I think it, you know, you always have context to work with.

Absolutely.

And you're well aware of that. So but we're also trying to, this is a different use and a unique use. I think the front elevation that has the cross in that plane change where you've tapered the it speaks to the new cathedral more than it does the neighborhood, which I think is appropriate. And I was wondering about those, the panels that's similar to what's happening at the cathedral as well, although it's kind of on the other side. That material that you were talking about, John, about the I guess, what's precast material.

Is that similar to what's being used that it's more of a coating that they're using over there on the cathedral? Not saying it's precast would be fine, but I just wondered you thought if that coloration and texture is similar.

Definitely speak to that. Only the base that you see here in gray is cast stone.

Oh, okay.

Yeah. We're proposing just a it's a cast stone unit unitized for the base. Okay. It could be real stone or cast stone per the standards. And then everything else is it's stucco. Stucco. And then the bump outs, they're either foam with I would think. Okay. So it's a concrete block building with the stucco scratch coat typical construction. So your thoughts are that

the panels would come out a couple of inches or?

Yes. Okay. Right. I

thought maybe they went in for a while, but it's blocks. Okay.

Yes. So I don't if I can zoom in here without watching this. No, can't. So yeah, these the marching bays that bump out two inches if that's an appropriate depth, those would be EFIS and matching that same finish as the stucco.

Yeah, that cast stone base really isn't doing a whole lot. It's such a minimal band.

Yeah, it's so thin, it's really not helping

you out. You might consider incorporating raising the elevation on the facade, so it's more like a historical, most a lot of our historic buildings have a band at two feet plus or minus.

A more pronounced water table?

Yeah. Yeah. Then what you're attempting here. Maybe it goes to the bottom of the sill of your

the other, Yeah. The typical

It might

be a nice attribute.

I like the rhythm of the base since you're using that to organize the windows, which don't want to be regulated. So I like that concept. We've seen the metal roofing multiple, multiple times and it would blend well with the neighboring properties. It's also very efficient as far as storms and costs, weight.

I'll just add on the official submittal detailing the brackets and samples included in the submittal will all help our understanding

Okay. And for this group, the bracket material, we should stay away from metal. We prefer either wood or stucco. We would like it to be zero maintenance for us, but I'm sure there's some requirements within the preservation board that it needs to evoke an historic quality.

It does. And it's better. We've used wood, we call it foam over stone. There's a products that have they're basically lightweight.

Pipon?

Yes, there's couple of product manufacturers that it's about quarter of an inch stone over it or

pcap

stone over it. It's woodpecker proof. We have problems with that with just woodpeckers and things. Just it looks bad after a while.

It does.

And the owner doesn't want that maintenance. It becomes unsightly. So as long as it's hard enough, there's hard coats available. But then they're treated, they have a sand finish. Not real shiny as you said. Definitely. They're not a metal looking product.

So a matte or sand finish is what we're looking for. Yes. It's the shiny finish that would be offensive.

I mean that would be maybe the shiny would be potentially for the signage, maybe the cross or something that's an accent rather than a constant all the way around because that's really roof at level is very visible and not typical with the VHP anything. There's a sheen to it. It's kind of

I understand.

Historically all the brackets were the wood raptors hanging down. I mean that's what the where it came successfully from. Or unsuccessfully depending on

the But I think you know what we're looking at. I

live in a building where it's almost all pecky cypress exposed, the historic Spanish Oaks in Downtown Sarasota and it's beautiful. So I'm reminded of what we need to do here.

That would be ideal, that kind of thing. Okay. It's hard to get. I think you've I mean, don't know if there's any other comments, but I think you're not too far off. I think you know how colorations and all that.

You.

I think you're good. But any other comments from the Board?

Mark, what I was talking about before, applications come before us with an aerial view of the property and how the building sits and where everything else is. And I don't see this in the application that might be.

We had a site plan early that was just real basic from obviously it will be more developed when they've had the full submittal, they showed that early on.

Okay. We will have that. Yes. Thank you for that. We'll have contextual photos, the Google Maps aerial and I also appreciate that we'd want to show the neighboring properties and across the street just like we would do in architecture school. Sure.

I think it always helps to have context. Definitely. You're recognizing context in the project is important.

Yeah, thank you. We will do that. Okay. We'll show all that. This was, it was yeoman's effort to put this together for this time period, planning was very helpful to say, hey, can you make the New Year's Day deadline? And we said, yeah, we'll get some people to work over Christmas and we're able to do it. And so this was very preliminary but we appreciate you seeing what we have this morning and we're going to we'll take this feedback and do the official application.

Sounds great. Thank you very much for your presentation.

Thank you very much.

Right. Hopefully that helps you as you come back to the Board, I think it will. And, see if there's any other looks like Mr. Mr. Clark.

Sir, Happy New Year. Happy New Year. Welcome Yeah. It's going be a good one. We're glad to see you all back and hope you had a good holiday and we're getting cranked up again.

So this was a good start for us. This was at your direction to have this process available to applicants was a great idea and we put it in place and this was your first one today so hopefully this will save from some of those repeat, you know, continuations of other and we'll be encouraging applicants to do this process in the future so I think this will be very helpful and make things move along a bit quicker for not only the applicant but the Board as well. That's good. So appreciate the comments today. We don't have any applications as of yet for the next meeting, not to say that we won't but right now we do not.

We do Mark, we do have to get together and put together the annual report to council because that needs to take place sometime in the first quarter. So I'll need to get with you on that and get that put together for counsel for you to do that presentation. Other than that, I don't think I have anything else. Don't know, Harry, you have some comments?

Just couple of announcements. So the if you recall, we were working on a historic preservation brochure. And so we took your final feedback, especially regarding the cover of that and worked with our graphic designer. And so we made the changes you had recommended and the brochure is now available at the museum and I believe we should have dropped some off over planning and zoning this week. So they are now available for distribution to the public.

I also wanted to let you all know that this afternoon we have or I should say I have the kickoff meeting for the Edgewood And Seaboard Historic Resources Survey project. So we selected Chronicle Heritage who did the previous survey for the city. And so we'll be meeting with them to get that project started on surveying those areas and seeing what updates we need to happen in Edgewood and this will be the first time we're looking at Seaboard. So that will be interesting.

Interesting. That will be good.

That's good timing because we are actually we have the consultants back on board. Think I've told you before for the Seaboard area master plan for the first phase of getting the technical plan. So we're getting down in more ground level to the detail for the first phase, which is mainly it's about a 20 acre area, mainly the city's property and the surrounding area. So we have Dover Cohen Partners back on board and we've had a staff kickoff meeting at this point and we actually have our first technical working group meeting this afternoon of the group that we have put together for the last go around the master plan and we've got that group back together. We lost a couple, but we've gained a couple.

That meeting So is this just want to let you know, Seaboard is still moving forward and we'll be getting even more detailed on that one little area in there. It's good Glad to hear that.

Yes, long time coming. So I very great have a question.

Roger, in posting in the paper, in the newspaper for this meeting, you had something concerning changing the requirements for this board. It was listed, have you handled that already?

Yes. There was that we I think was that second reading yesterday or second reading. So we've had second reading, yes. There was a request from City Council to the Mayor to modify encouraging one member of the board to be a main street member but not requiring it. It was preferred but not required. So we made that change to the code, moved that forward, that's been adopted. It's been really difficult in certain situations to find volunteers to be on not only ISPOR but any of the advisory boards in the city. So that was a change that was directed to us by counsel so we made that change.

Roger, I just like to point out that I'm still an active member of Venice Main Street and honor design committee. Good,

good, absolutely.

So we meet already. I am back to application my

process is open for that seat right now. Okay.

Roger, I am back to my update thing again. I kind of get hung up on this. To the what? The that we have approved that we haven't seen anything happen. The one on Venice Avenue, the one on Miami Avenue, the Comcast building, circus, the condominiums on Main Street. Right.

Nothing. Understood. And I

know we have discussed the buildings on West Venice Avenue and on Miami Avenue that are you mentioned Comcast building and the 219 Building, same ownership involved in selling those properties, marketing them, not sure if it's sold yet. So I know the approvals that you provided have expired. So whatever occurs, they will need to come back to you for architectural approval. Again, the other aspect of those of the 219 Building has a little extra to it because they went through site development plan with planning commission and I believe that approval expires coming up in June. So we have talked to some of the potential buyers of those properties and informed them.

We've informed the owner that here's the situation. I think the biggest issue with that, that I've let folks know is that we've changed the code now, can't build over the right of way anymore. As you know that project proposes billing over the right of way. And if they go beyond June and that site is development no longer valid, then they're going to lose that ability and they certainly would have to go back for some significant redesign. Obviously, you approved the previous design.

We told prospective buyers we come back with that same design and you went through a lot to get to that approval, I know. Right. Multiple meetings. So I kind of told them I don't think it would be a big issue, it's just the fact that our code expires any of your approvals within a year. We may look at extending that because most of ours are two years. So and it would match better up with the site plan as well. So we'll see where that all goes. But it's just it's up to the property owner and if they go beyond the year, they're going to have to come back and see you again. What about the circus? The circus property?

Good

question. We do have an application in now that is under review. They are going to also have to come back to you. I hate to tell you this, but you're gonna have to review, you're gonna have to approve the tent again. Okay. But it would be my understanding more likely the same thing coming back to you.

It's just because it's timed out.

Because it timed out. So yes, and that would have to come back to you and when they come back to you for that, they're gonna be showing the entire project at this point. They've been dealing with some technical issues with the code as far as building height, uses, mixed use, some requirements that are in the code. Now because we adopted a new code since this whole discussion began, There was so much delay not on the city's part but on the owner's part that now they put themselves in a situation they're in your ballpark because we expanded the theme So now they've got additional architecture requirements. There are a lot of timing issues there and they have multiple professionals working on that.

So hopefully we'll be back in front of you soon and ultimately in front of planning commission as well. So we'll see where that goes.

Okay.

One more that I'm confused on a little bit. On South Harbor Drive, there is a lot that was cleared by Beechwood Builders. Is that in the historic District? I couldn't determine where.

That's on how far down it is. I'm not sure you know what the address is or what block it might be in?

It's in the second block I think. Second block? South. Sounds like The district is awful close in there and I was looking up the change in the district lines that we did and I can't determine where it is.

Yeah, I don't think we changed anything that was existing as far as the historic and theme district, maybe some minor tweaks but we did extend it all the way down to the south We'll look into that and see what the story There

was a demo, it looks like a demolition on the property. There was a house there or something and the demolition, a lot is cleared and the sign is for Beechwood Builders. Well. And I just didn't know. Maybe I thought you knew if

it was in or Please not. I haven't seen anything. Yes, we'll check on

that. Okay.

Thank you.

All right. Well, thank you for the input today guys. I thought it was great to have a pre app because really those just take the board's time anyway and yet we're different. We can have less candid review.

Tried to get them to and as he mentioned they were pretty a yeoman effort to get this. Would typically and we did try to say, if you get some drawings done prior to, we will get them to the board but we certainly don't want to we want to make this meeting for you so even you can't get them, come to the board, show your drawings. We will always try to get them ahead of time so they're on your agenda so you have time to kind of look at them. Right. We didn't have time this time.

And and it's understandable because now once a month meetings challenge the applicant. If they miss it by a day, you've missed it

a lot. Yes. And this was a small project. I figured you guys could probably look at it on the fly and provide some good directions.

Appreciate that. Yes, good. Well, thank you for that. All right. Anything else for the Board today, anyone has?

Just last year we did a education seminar about the local register for the city for anyone to attend. I didn't know if we were going to was that try to schedule another one as an opportunity for people to learn about the local register and if they want to try and apply.

And we can certainly discuss the possibility of doing something like that. This isn't necessarily Venice related, right now the Cirrus Soleil alliance has scheduled a roundtable in February of several homeowners including the Germans who are here today for a roundtable discussion about what it means to restore a historic building and processes of going on the local register, whether it's in Venice or Sarasota County. So I know they're doing that in February, but I think we could also look into doing something here as well again.

Or maybe one of us would attend that meeting and Yes, represent

hear they've got someone to emcee the meeting that kind of knows a little about Venice local register. So because it's me. And so I will be going ahead and definitely be plugging our program during the process.

Okay. Yeah, Yes, it's good. These projects that like this one at 500 Nassau is a great example of how difficult and John mentioned it's expensive. And it's to get some kind of testimonial from the people after they're done would go a long way to encouraging someone to do it. And be real. This is not easy. But what you end up with is saving a building that almost falls down. I don't think you could put anything else in front of people better than tax savings and the effort is worth

it. That's good. When did we

do that? It was last May I believe.

May, okay. So I think we definitely would certainly want to do that again. It may become an annual event because we want to continue to promote the local register. That's one of this board's agenda items to promote the local register. So we want to continue to do that. So I don't see a problem with that. That would be good. Okay.

One last comment by me. I'd like to celebrate that the Lord Highgold House is being utilized daily now by the population. I think it's a great achievement to have the building building being used.

It's huge to have it finally getting used and sit there for so long. It's

probably great for the city staff.

It's second life might be better than the first. It's really cool.

Absolutely. I think it's great that Harry and John did a great job of doing the displays over there and I think more to come as well and it's just a win win win situation. Oh it is.

Love it.

The citizens, the owners of the business. Yes, it seems to be going very well and to have that much exposure for that historic building is really a good thing.

Yes, that's great.

Make sure those historic pamphlets are in there as well.

It's a good place to put them. All right. Great meeting. All right guys.

Motion to adjourn.

Motion to adjourn. We're adjourned.