Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

with Chair Pro Tem Kozak leading us to the Pledge of Allegiance.

Please stand and put your hands over your heart and repeat after me.

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

Excuse me. Roll call, Vera.

Let the record reflect all commissioners are present with the exception of Commissioner Higuchi, who has an excused absence. Thank you.

Thank you. All right, we're going to start off with public input. And if there are people here in person who want to fill out a request form to speak on items that are not on tonight's agenda, please raise your hand and zoom or bring a card up to the front. Chair, are there any hands raised?

Chair, there are none. Thank you.

OK, great. The next item on the agenda is the consent calendar. At this time, any member of the public may address the Planning Commission on matters that are not listed on the evening's agenda. Whoops, that was prior. Sorry. We're going to go into approval of meeting minutes. Recommendation is that the Planning Commission approve the minutes of May 26, 2026. Are there any public comments on the consent calendar, Vera?

Chair, there are none. Thank you.

OK, great. So I'm willing to take a motion and a second. OK. Vera, you want to do a roll call vote, please? Oh, excuse me. There are two items on the consent calendar. No, just the one. I think my pages are a little messed up. OK. All right, here we go. I'm going to do that again. So there's only one item on the consent calendar. And we have a motion and a second. Vera, will you make a roll call vote, please?

Commissioner Galo?

Aye.

Commissioner Douthit?

Aye.

Chair Pro Tem Kozak?

Aye.

And Chair Mason?

Aye.

Motion passes 4-0-1. Thank you.

All right. Thank you. Now we'll move on to public hearing, which was continued from the May 26th meeting. It's a code amendment 2026-0001, ordinance number 1578, accessory dwelling units and junior accessory dwelling units code amendments. So the recommendation is that the Planning Commission adopt resolution number 4544, recommending that the City Council adopt ordinance number 1578, amending Article 9 land use of the Teston City Code to provide the development of accessory dwelling units and junior accessory dwelling units in compliance with new state laws. We have a presentation tonight from Jose Jara. Jara, Jara?

Jara, you said it right.

All right, great. Our assistant planner. Go ahead, Jose.

Thank you, Chair Mason, and good evening, Commissioners. Tonight's item is a proposed amendment to the Tustin City Code related to accessory dwelling units and junior accessory dwelling units, better known as ADUs or JDUs. The proposed amendments are primarily intended to ensure that the city's regulations remain consistent with recent changes to state law. As you may know, the city processes code amendments to clarify regulations and maintain consistency throughout the Tustin City Code. Over the past two years, the state legislature has adopted several housing-related bills that included significant changes to state ADU and JDU law. The bills are listed on the screen and are primary pieces of legislation that prompted this update. Collectively, these changes that we're making are expand ADU density in both single-family and multifamily zones, require ministerial approval of certain ADUs and JDUs, limit local development standards such as parking requirements, and it also reorganizes portions of state law. As a result, the amendments before you tonight are more of a comprehensive than a typical code update and are primarily intended to ensure that we remain consistent there with all these changes. And before we kind of get into some of the proposed changes, I want to just briefly walk through some of the different types of ADUs and JDUs shown on the screen here. Starting on the left, the first and probably the most recognizable type is a detached ADU. This is a completely separate freestanding unit. Next to that is an attached ADU, which is connected to the primary resident and shares at least one wall with the home. And the third type is a conversion ADU. Rather than building a new structure, this type is created from existing space within the home or an existing accessory structure, such as a garage. And lastly, there is a JDU or a junior accessory dwelling unit, which is a little different because it also has to be created within walls of the existing or proposed single family home and is also limited to 500 square feet and may share a bathroom with the primary home. So with those kind of different ADU types in mind, I'll now walk through some of the more significant changes included in the ordinance tonight. One of the more significant changes relates to the number of ADUs allowed on a single family property. Under the city's current code, a property can have one JDU and one JADU for a total of two. The proposed amendment would increase that to three ADUs by allowing one attached or converted ADU, one detached ADU, and one JDU. So a total of three there. The next change relates to ADUs on multifamily properties. As shown on the screen, there's no change to the city's existing provisions for converted ADUs. The primary change relates to detached ADUs on existing multifamily developments. Under the current code, existing multifamily developments are limited to two detached ADUs, and the proposed amendment would increase that allowance to a maximum of eight detached ADUs, provided that the number of those ADUs does not exceed the total number of existing units on the property. So, for example, a six-unit multifamily development would be limited to six total detached ADUs. And also, just a note for proposed multifamily developments, if you note for proposed developments, there's no change. New multifamily projects would continue to be limited to a maximum of two detached ADUs. Moving on to parking related changes for JDUs, the proposed amendment removes the city's current requirement to replace parking when an attached garage is converted into a JDU. And for provisions for ADUs, the city's current code already exempts replacement parking when a garage, carport, or other covered parking structure is demolished or converted. The proposed amendment simply extends that exemption to uncovered parking spaces as well. Kind of beyond the major changes we've discussed, the ordinance also includes several additional updates. These include revisions to development standard, owner occupancy requirements, application procedures and review timelines, as well as updates to various definitions and state code references. Again, these are all to make sure we are following all these updates with state law. Proposed amendments are consistent with the general plan, specifically land use element goal two and policy 2.2. By updating the city's ADUs regulations to reflect current state law, the ordinance helps maintain consistency between the general plan zoning regulation and other city standards. As noted on the agenda, this item was continued from May 26th Planning Commission meeting. Notice of tonight's hearing was published in the Tustin News as well on May 14th, satisfying the required 20-day public notice period under state law. Also, the proposed code amendment is statutorily exempt from CEQA because it implements its provisions of ADUs. With that, staff recommends that the Planning Commission adopt Resolution Number 4544, recommending that the City Council adopt Ordinance Number 1578, amending Article 9 of the Tustin City Code related to ADUs and JDUs to ensure consistency with state law. All right, thank you. Yep, that concludes my presentation. And we're here to answer any questions that you may have beyond what was presented.

Commission have any questions of staff before I open to public?

Do you have a couple of questions?

So we have state law, city law, and then there are CC&Rs and HOAs. How do the state and city laws interact with CC&Rs and HOAs within our city?

That's a good question. Sure, so within the laws that you've identified, state law would preempt the local law, which is why this amendment's being conducted in order to comply with state law. The HOAs, as you know, are a private governing body that can regulate uses within a homeowners association through declarations and CC&Rs. The state ADU law does, however, prevent or preclude HOAs from imposing any requirements that would overly burden the development of ADUs or preclude the development of an ADU. So it's somewhat of a developing area of case law in terms of the latitude an HOA has to regulate the development of an ADU within a community that's governed by CC&Rs and so forth. But HCD guidance and the ADU law combined would suggest that their ability to control the development of ADUs is very limited and that they're likely limited to only imposing reasonable and objective development standards on ADUs, not empowered to entirely prohibit the development of an ADU in an HOA community.

Wow. because I feel like we're half HOA, half non-HOA. So the objective design standards that we passed last year, would lack of space constitute a potential reason for denial within an HOA or within a community?

I think just in general, what the law is saying is that we need to allow for ADUs. So depending on what the situation was, kind of what you mean by lack of space, if they're, for whatever reason, their plot of land, the house was such that there was really only about 600 square feet as opposed to 800 square feet, then we would need to allow for the 600 square foot ADU. Is that kind of what you're getting at?

Yeah, I'm thinking about like some of our Tustin Ranch, communities that have smaller backyards. I don't know how this conversation fits with those types of communities.

yeah uh adus can go in the front yard setback so that might be a possibility for them again just kind of on a case-by-case basis depending on what the situation was we would need to permit an adu it it would just depend on how it could best fit on the lot and you know maintain basic safety standards fire codes those sorts of things

And part of one of the other options for at us or jd us are conversions including conversions of garages so now we're saying that. And again, this is more for my understanding we don't really have a choice of this one. But, like in tested branch if they were to convert a garage into an at you, they do not need to replace the parking. of that either.

That's correct. Correct.

And that supersedes an HOA saying no, you need to have parking abilities for your residents on this parcel, correct?

This is a gray area because that's the type of thing that would really end up in litigation and be determined by the courts. We did a little bit of a dive on this over the last few days, looking up the types of cases that have happened recently. And I don't think we have a good answer for you. From the city's perspective, we would have to allow it. If the HOA wanted to try to regulate it, they could try. I just don't know that they would be successful in a court of law.

Thank you very much. Another question I have is JDUs, J-A-D-Us. It's a little confusing because it says that like, I don't really understand basically a J-A-D-U versus just adding a bedroom because you can share, as long as the residence lives in the house, you can share a bathroom with a J-A-D-U? Correct. Like what's the difference between that and somebody just wanted to build an extra bedroom?

So in addition to the bathroom, a JDU is required to have an efficiency kitchen as well. And basically, I mean, it's a unit, so it would be a residence. So that would be the main difference between just, you know, adding to the existing residence versus proposing a JDU, which would essentially have a different, you know, address its own, you know, the, the, the sharing of Senate the sharing of bathroom is a, is more of a flexibility for homeowners in the case that they're limited on space, they can provide that within the existing home. They would just need to demonstrate that. But it's more of a flexibility to allow more, in certain cases where there might not be enough room to fit a bathroom with what they're thinking of, it's more of a flexibility.

If I could, I think the best way to explain it is that an ADU in general is a space for independent living. So it requires kitchen and facilities. So an ADU would have a bathroom, a typical ADU as we define it would have a bathroom and a kitchen. A JADU is not required to have a bathroom within it. And it is limited to 500 square feet, whereas an ADU, an attached ADU, could be larger.

Gotcha. Last question. I've been seeing some people develop two-story ADUs. How are they doing that? Is that because of the footprint of the ADU, or are they building it on top of a garage?

So just to clarify a few things, one, We have had some ADUs built that are two stories that have been controversial in the city for the last couple years. Those that were controversial, in particular one, was built prior to state law defining height limits And so now we have better definitions of height limits, which essentially would limit the ability to do a building as large or as tall as what those controversial ones that we've had recently. So, you know, two stories is not prohibited. You can do a two story as long as it's within the height limit.

As long as it's within the height limit of the neighborhood.

A height limit as defined under ADU law and our ordinance mimics ADU law. So there's some criteria as it relates to adjacency to transit and things like that.

Okay. Last question, then I'll open it up. For some of our single family homeowners that are trying to consider a JADU, is it easier for them to do a one or two bedroom addition to their house? or is it easier for them to do a JADU that is now mandated to be approved by the state?

I would just say it's on a case-by-case basis, because as we're kind of getting to right now, we can cut it and slice it different ways.

The cost of building an ADU is more in sense that you have more facilities that need to be provided. The state law does limit fees, but there are some additional fees that are required. So, you know, it is case by case. Every person needs to consider what it is they're trying to achieve. If they're just trying to expand their house, it's probably easier just to add a room. But ADU law does allow for less regulatory framework, if you will, as to some setbacks and things like that.

So it's easier for potentially the permitting process, but obviously it's going to be way more expensive to build a JADU.

I think it's a case-by-case basis. Every site's different. What people want to do with their property is different. So it's really hard to really determine which is better for the applicant.

Thank you very much for everyone fielding my many questions.

Thanks, Commissioner. Chair Pro Tem, some questions?

Yes, to the Chair, just a couple questions. Since this is mandatory and there's, you know, hands are tied, I was wondering what sort of, if we will still have any sort of local discretion or any availability in the district construction of the ADUs in order to preserve neighborhood compatibility? If that would be my first question. And to the second question would be the ADUs since they're being their residences, is that going to add to our units that are required by the state?

To answer your first question, as part of the updates where we're required to have kind of clear standards, we did include for specifically historic properties that they do keep as far as the height and the size of the ADU, and also behind the rear of the building line of the existing home to ensure that it, again, doesn't take away for the historic characteristics or features that are important for that property. And for your second question, I believe are the ADUs do count towards RHNA. So it does add towards meeting that.

Yeah, so I know your question was about compatibility and neighborhood. I don't know if it was specific to historic neighborhoods or not. I would say though that if a building comes in and it meets the criteria for a state exempt ADU under state law, we have no discretion that we can apply. It's very clear we have no objective or subjective discretion. If it is a project that exceeds the state criteria, so it's larger than 800 square feet as a detached, for example, then we do have the ability to apply our local code. And our code does have some criteria for historic neighborhoods, but generally our criteria has to be objective. It cannot be subjective. So we can't say, oh, we like it or don't like it.

So with regards to size, I know that's fixed. But with regard to style, I guess, let's say. Because I'm just thinking of people building all these additional units and just making kind of like the neighborhood losing how it's supposed to look. So do we have any – is there any – my question is for staff is if – retaining local or local authority or?

I think the short answer, quick answer is no. We don't have any ability.

Okay. Thank you.

I have a couple questions. One, since the state has kind of made some of these rules, is there any data to show that like allowing more ADUs is preventing home sales as they become income properties or is it having some unintended consequences?

that I'm aware of now. Yeah, I'm not familiar with any empirical data that's been provided at this point. I think that, generally speaking, we see a lot more ADUs being built. We do see this city has less ADUs being built than some of our neighboring cities. I think, anecdotally, in talking with some of my other colleagues, they're seeing a lot of ADUs being built as part of rental units. Okay.

Thank you. Just a curiosity. Google didn't know either. So a question on the JADUs, because a lot of what it describes is kind of a little more formality of renting a room. And I think it's beneficial to obviously outline it as a separate property. Are there tax benefits to the city of someone converting something formally to a JADU?

I don't believe so. It doesn't require, if they're doing a conversion, to my knowledge, doesn't require reassessment of the property, to my knowledge. So I don't see that that would, without a reassessment of the property, trigger tax benefits directly. But I am not a tax expert. I just pay my taxes.

i i would just add to that even if you are adding on a room for your adu i mean if you look at your property tax assessment bill you have value excuse me that's assigned to the land and value that's assigned to improvements the value is always in the land there there's much less value in the improvement so even with a reassessment for an addition it's um it'd be limited okay okay

Kind of maybe a corner case question, but building to something that Commissioner Douthat asks about the HOA laws. You know, if you think about maybe, let's take an example of something like Tustin Ranch where somebody might convert a garage. They're not required to replace that parking. That community might have rules saying no street parking. How would a situation like that work, or is it still kind of ambiguous?

Really, really good question, and I mean... The provisions that we have are limited to the properties. I wouldn't limit them to the street. So if it changes, who knows, but strictly limited to the property itself.

I think the question as to how it relates to the street is if that's a CCNR requirement for that community, that's an enforceable issue with the community. So the city wouldn't enforce that. Okay. If the streets posted no parking, then that becomes a management issue for us. Unfortunately, in those circumstances, this is the state law, so we don't really have a choice.

And I think that builds into, right, nothing today is a discourse on if we like or don't like the ADU rules. It's just enforcing the state. But I would encourage this commission just, we know that this is coming. As we think about, you know, we don't want to create communities that downstream. We know, even in my short time here, we keep getting questions on parking, parking, parking, cars, the Southwest Parking Study. So I think it's something we need to keep in mind that it's going to be an issue. And how can we create communities where not having a parking space can become more sustainable? That's all.

Just a couple of clarifying questions. On the four ADUs, do all of them need their own separate entrance?

Yes, that's correct.

So next question would be, I'm just curious, we will grandfather in anyone who's illegally built an ADU. Is that the law as well, too? Is there anything we need to do to make sure that it was built correctly? How does that work?

Yes. If we become aware of an unpermitted ADU, we would absolutely want to go and inspect it for safety standards. And we can require that it be brought up to code for habitable space. But essentially, we need to allow it to continue to exist.

Okay.

um i know we touched on it i'm not sure i was tracking let's look at as historic preservation right so beautiful house on b street wants to add three one jadu and adu and detached yes so and that expands the footprint it makes uh it puts another like is there anything that we can do to preserve the look and feel based on what the state mandates as historic preservation?

So based on this law, no. I do want to bring to your attention that we intend to go out and get a consultant. We've been working on this to get to this project, but get a consultant to come back with objective design standards that are related to our historic neighborhoods as well. We adopted objective design standards that were citywide, but they're on a much higher level. And we would like to get to a neighborhood level with our historic neighborhoods and some of the other areas. So that will help in terms of objective standards. But just to be 100% clear, if it is a state-exempt ADU, where it meets the criteria to be exempt under state law, we cannot even apply objective standards. We can apply no standards whatsoever, and they can build whatever they like. That's the criteria as I understand it today. And so it is not clear and it had not been clear until very recently with me a little bit about the state exempt versus what are referred to as 314 units, which are ones that we regulate. The state exempt ADU. does not allow, like I said, doesn't allow any review or criteria, but if it's detached, it's basically any detached ADU that's 800 square feet or less in size and has a four foot side and rear setback.

That's the criteria.

an 800 square foot detached adu is essentially a four-car garage so in size uh so state law allows for that to be constructed in a front setback if they want to do that regardless of what the city wants and all we have to ministerially approve it with a building permit we have no authority to review it um for the state exempt um Attached at you and junior at you essentially all J at us are going to be state exempt. Before an attached at you, it would be the criteria is that it's conversion of existing space. That's not an addition to the building. The only addition that's allowed is to provide for entry to that up to 150 square feet. So those are the criteria under state law. It is what it is. We have no authority to regulate those. They have to be approved.

I have two more questions, then I have an ADD question.

Chair, my apologies. I have to pause the meeting. Granik has stopped for whatever reason. Can we just pause for a few minutes? Thank you so much.

Two weeks ago. love it that's pretty cool take it around we're acclimating

Yeah, it's just to point out that we have a government in Sacramento that is removing any sort of authority to create the community you want to create.

I feel like we live in a different country.

So we're ready to go again. All right. Real grass.

Oh my gosh. My shirt's unbuttoned.

I've been like this all day.

Hmm. We're going to do

I think I've met all of you individually, but if I have not met you, I'm Valentin Flores. I'm the Deputy Director of Economic Development. Thank you so much for having us. That's an outdated photo of me a very long time ago. That's the latest I have. This is the rest of my team that's here today. We're a small group, but we're mighty. I'm going to be doing a quick little overview. about what we've been doing on the ED side. I've been here for 14 months. I think we're starting to get on a good groove. So we like to say that we're the great connector. If we're doing our job as economic developers, we're connecting people. We're connecting resources. I love this photo. I'm a photographer at heart. This is a photographer. You guys know what that is, the little switchboard. And we have a saying in our division that if we're doing a good job, we're connecting businesses to the right resources and to the right people. We're going backwards. Here we go. All right. I'm going to start off by showing off just a little bit. We recently won an award, California Association of Local and Economic Development. And this award was for innovation in digital media. And that's what we've been doing the last year and a half. The emphasis has been how do we bring digital media to help our small businesses grow? When I came on board, I had two main goals in mind was one to build a strong team and build a strong culture over there in that wing of City Hall across the street. And two was to build out some new programs. And I'm happy to say that we've done both of them. Mike is going to be coming on and giving you details on these programs. He's the one that oversees all the programs. And I'm going to be closing it with some of the fun stuff that we're doing. Not to say that our programs are not fun, but some of the other stuff that we're doing on the ED side. Micah.

What he means is that I get to do all the stuff he doesn't want to, so he gets an opportunity to have fun. But no, my name is Micah. I'm the analyst in the Economic Development Division. And as Valentin mentioned, I'm overseeing three of the programs that we administer right now in economic development. A quick little note before I continue. Economic development has recently taken on the role of communications within the city, handling social media, publications, communications to newspapers and the like. And that is a major transition, as you know, communication is a very big deal when it comes to city affairs. And so while every single one of these programs that I'm going to be talking about, these three, is still active in one sense or another, communications is a current priority of economic development as we onboard more staff to take on these additional responsibilities that we've been granted. So we always like to say for this first slide, it all starts with visitation. We need to get out there and understand what's going on in our business community. If we don't understand what's going on, we're not going to be able to assist properly. We're not going to be able to provide programs that are appropriate. We won't be recognizable to the business community because we're not providing them with anything that they need. My favorite example is that you could have the best economic development program for a harbor that you could possibly have for Tustin, and it will be utterly useless because where's the harbor? You can build out a brilliant program, but if it's not useful for the business community, then it's not going to actually do anything. So how do we find out what's happening? How can we find out what's going to be useful for these businesses? We go out and we visit. We have branded polos ready to go. Anytime we go on these visitation trends, we just go, we wander out. sometimes in this form that we call touch points, where we just show up and knock on doors and introduce ourselves and say, Hi, we're the city. What can we tell us about your story? This is what this is what we bring to the table. We've even got a implementation plan for trying to visit a whopping 20% of all the businesses within the city within an 18 month period of time. This is sort of a breakdown, as you see on your screens of how we're trying to do that our big focus for the time being has been the Old Town and the Southwest Tustin area. With the Old Town improvements, one of the early responsibilities that we took on was handling communications for that program because it's primarily impacting the business community of Old Town. And so we took on the role of individually visiting and attempting to contact every single business along El Camino Real and along Main Street that was going to be affected by this project. And in that we well exceeded our 200 touchpoint limit. I think we hit more something like 250 businesses in that area. But this is just a regular project of ours. We are trying to make our way through the city. We are trying to see every type of business that exists in our roles and try and establish relationships with them. It's much better for a business and much better as a perception of being a pro-business or an anti-business city on whether or not your first interaction is gonna be with code or the building department or with economic development. We get to come in being the people pleasers of the world where we say, hi, what can we do? Versus a code enforcement officer whose first thing is going to be, hey, what's going on? Let me tell you what your violation is. So the more that we can get out, the more that we can be the first time that a business encounters the city, the better the perception will be, the more likely they are to come to us when issues arise and the more cooperative they'll be. if something like a code issue pops up or they have to obtain permits. It helps mitigate some of the negativity that cities will always have against them when it comes to the business community. We are regulators at the end of the day, but we try to be supporters of the business community. And this visitation program is one of those methods. As well, Val brought up that we recently won an award for innovation in digital media. One of the aspects of that is that we employ a software to help track all of these things. If you tally all these up, it's about 800 businesses that we're aiming to visit. Knowing who we visited and so we don't double dip or knowing who we visited so that if a case arises, Later in time, we know that we have an established touch point with them really matters. So we employ monday.com project management software, very sophisticated that we use internally just so we can manage this large number. of visitations that we're trying to accomplish. That's just one of the things that helps us stand out as economic development to these committee folks, is that not every city is trying to do that. Sometimes you're still trying to manage on spreadsheets. And this is one of the ways that we try to push the envelope. We try to be innovative because we think that that demonstrates a city that is cutting edge and that business wants to be with. Another area of that, like I said, when it comes to things like compliance, We also can be really good with our established relationships to talk to businesses about regulatory matters. So when the city passed this Creighton ban recently, we were tasked with developing a set of communications to the businesses so they could clearly understand the requirements by it and easily get the idea and that we were the ones going out and In the same hand that we were handing them this flyer, which you see, which was designed by our lovely intern, Brianna, we also handed them our program flyers so that they could at least get a little bit of, hey, here's something that you have to know, but also here's something that's helpful to know. You might not get as much business because you might not be able to sell as much product in the form of Creighton anymore, but did you know that we have additional programs like... Our Cityscope program. This is the second one that we're in charge of. The Cityscope program is a really, really powerful and really interesting tool that we get to have. It's, like it says on the slide, data-driven insight tool. Primarily, that's a specific software entitled Placer AI that allows us to take cell phone data and turn that into actionable data insights for specific businesses. I'm gonna highlight three of those cases for you guys. The first is the Tuss & Buick GMC. They recently opened shop. They really wanted to establish some relationships with other businesses. And they asked, hey, our customer, they came to economic development and said, hey, our ideal customer is the small independent business owner who works in construction. We can sell them a truck, a utility truck that will match their business needs at a discounted price. And so they needed to find where those businesses would be. Naturally, we think of somewhere like Harbor Freight or right across the street would be Home Depot. and Lowe's, a place that they could find those contractors. And so we used this Placer AI software to determine when is the busiest time at these hardware stores. And this software told us, well, between 12 and 2 is actually your golden hours. That's when the most amount of people walk through the doors. And that's why they went over to Home Depot to advertise their services so they could better market to the maximum number of people possible. help them be smarter, help them actually get to the customers and the people that might be using their business. The next example was Zops. They came to us having a question. Zops has multiple locations, as you might be aware, throughout Orange County. They just opened up their San Clemente location recently. but they also have one in Irvine in Portola Hills, not too far away from the Tustin Ranch area. And they had a question. They've got their flagship Tustin location. They've got their relatively newer Portola Hills location. Were they cannibalizing on each other? And this software was able to determine, yes, let's map out where all your customers are going into. That's the actual piece of information that they found helpful. You know, what's a trade area? That's what the term is called, where you're sourcing your customers from spatially. And you can see that blue area, that's the location of the Tustin location up in the Enderly Center. That's the wide area that they're catching in all the way from North Orange down to parts of Santa Ana. And the red area was the Portola area they were sourcing from. A lot of overlap with Tustin Ranch and with the North Irvine area. And you could see that actually they had significant overlap. The Irvine location had over 50% overlap with the Tustin location, whereas the Tustin location only had 13% overlap. So their Irvine location was really stealing away and using a lot of the same customers. And so they're going to be using that information when they think about when their lease comes up at the Irvine location so they can better space it so that their customers are not having to pull the same customer to two separate locations. The last is Mud Hen Clan Art Studio, located right here in Old Town. Jen, a fabulous businesswoman, was really interested in knowing how she could keep her customers in her doors a little bit longer. And so we took a look at the data and said, where are her customers going to after they go to Mud Hen? And so you can see this gives what's called a prior post analysis where it says, okay, where are your customers mostly coming from and then where are they mostly going to before they come to your business and after they finish up at your business? And we saw that there was a lot of people going to the marketplace. You'll see that fourth thing down, marketplace in Jamestown Village, and also to even Morning Lavender. What's the commonality in these? They were all retail spots. We surmised sort of from this data and from what her conversations were with her customers, she got a lot of questions about like, why don't you sell the pottery that you create here? Her business is mostly class-based. And she thought, well, if so many people are going to other retail spots right afterwards, why don't I try and capture some of that traffic in my own store? And she actually added a whole shelf display of pottery that was available for purchase in her own studio, helping her to capture, to keep more of her customers in-house and also retain more dollars from those same customers who she had established a relationship with. The last program that I wanted to highlight is our business spotlight initiative. This is a really great program where we have been harnessing sort of the power of communications specifically for economic development. And so what we do is we go out to businesses that are interesting, noteworthy, or otherwise promotable to the city and to the general audience. And we go and we capture photos, we get their story, and then we start publicizing it to a wider audience to promote people to come into Tustin to promote. residents to patronize interesting and new and even old and storied Tustin businesses. And really one of the things that really matters is that when you are able to properly package and sell and show what is admirable and what's desirable about these businesses, it drives things up. They get more business. They get more attention. You show that Tustin is a vibrant business community when you start highlighting all these different excellent businesses that are around. So you can see here, Wowie Zowie Pizza, which is a fantastic joint. You would never know it though looking from there outside if you've ever been because on the front of their door just says the word pizza, nothing else. But they really have an incredible recipe going on there. And the owner who owns the store is very, very passionate about his pizza. You just have to talk to him. He's always behind working the hot stove, the hot pizza oven. So we take these pictures. This is actually an example of Brianna at the city, one of our own staffers, not Brianna the intern, though they actually worked together, two Briannas in tandem. Taking photos, packaging them together, making it very clear, making it pop so that when we post it on social media, we get likes, we get views, we get people paying attention to the excellence of the business community here in Tustin. And then I'll bring back Valentin to talk about the concierge program.

Thank you so much, Micah. Our concierge program is a program that was in place before a lot of us got here. And to be honest with you, it's a program that's a work in progress. I think concierge means a lot of things to a lot of different people. And quite frankly, we're here to help, obviously as an economic development division, but it's one of those that we're genuinely looking into how we can improve. In a summary, it's a wide glove service that we provide for businesses that are going through any kind of city proceedings or any kind of permits or anything involving the city. We'll step in to make sure that we're the main point of contact and we will be the main point of contact. We'll juggle with any outside agencies and we'll make sure that communication is very well kept as it begins to jump through different departments. Another thing that hasn't been formalized, but it's another thing that we do amongst the many things is just business attraction. We're constantly thinking about all the vacancies that I'm sure you guys are aware of, not only in Old Town, but throughout town. We're constantly thinking about how to attract new development to our city. Now we've slowly became this two-headed monster, economic development on one side, communications on the other side. We naturally see the connection between those two. So we're naturally thinking about campaigns. I think that a campaign that's brewing for us is how to better tell the story of why Tustin, right? Why is Tustin a great city to live in? Why is Tustin a great city to play in? Why is Tustin a great place to have a drink at? Why is Tustin the great place to buy a home? And can you explain the ADU thing in one more? I'm just kidding. So that's absolutely what we're all about. We're all about getting people excited about our city, our community, and everything that it has to offer. So as we started to take over communications, we just wanted to show you this is something that hasn't gone live yet, but you'll see it on social soon. It's the way that we get people excited about what's to come. This is obviously the arts building, which was all over the news not too long ago. And we were very happy that it sat on the market less than two months, and it was leased up rather fast. That's Good Society. That's the thrift shop that's already open. This is another incredible project by a group of two brothers. I'm sure you guys know them, the Perez brothers. And there's so much more than a realty office. They have so much energy and ideas for Old Town. So that's another, I think, come up that we have as our Old Town. We have Mason and we have Old Town Creamery that is coming. I just wanted to show you that some of the stuff that the way that we're looking at PRing all this. This is another thing that we do. We were responsible for making sure that we properly communicated not only with the businesses in Old Town, but the community at large as to Old Town construction. And it wasn't easy. People have a lot of questions. uh people have a lot of frustrations uh this is a post that went up uh last week and it became our most liked post static post not not a video our most liked post that we've ever uh published and that's a big deal to us internally because it lets us know that we're beginning to grab really complex ideas like old town improvements and all the complexities that come with them and communicate uh well with our community so if you guys don't know what the parklet program entails is 70 parklets in Old Town Tustin that are essentially going to be extension of those restaurants and those businesses where they're going to be able to, you know, obviously offer seating in these areas. This is right in front of American Grub where people are going to be able to enjoy that restaurant, but just be an extension of an outdoor patio, if you will. Do you guys remember the first crack that we took about last summer with GameCraft, the brewery? It wasn't the most successful project. It's something that we took on because we felt we needed a brewery in Old Town. And I think we could all agree that we need a brewery in Old Town. And I think that the reason I bring up that project is As economic developers, we have to be willing to try and we have to be willing to fail and we have to be willing to experiment. And I think we learned a lot of lessons from what we call internally as brewery project 1.0. There was a lot of takeaways. And I think it was success in the fact that we didn't give up and now we're developing a brewery 2.0. Left of chalk, we're going to be, you know, nothing's real until it's leased up and there's sticks on the ground. But we're working on a container development that's going to be a little more elevated than the first time around. But it's a local group. They're currently out there, you know, finding investors. We think it's going to be an incredible concept that adds synergy to, you know, our Michelin star chalk restaurant. So these are the type of projects that I agree with Micah, the fun projects that I get to pursue. But this is in the works. So these are the type of things that sometimes go under the radar because we can't really publicize them. But we are actively looking at these vacancies and, you know, not taking no for an answer in a way. We're coming back with new ideas and a new energy. And we're going to go one by one until hopefully we do something with all of them. This is another vacant property that we have in our old town. This is the Raiden property that neighbors White Sparrow. And same thing, very similar to the other one. Everybody said that it was too hard to talk to ownership. It was too tough to do anything with. And it is really tough. But we're coming up with ideas. We're working with stakeholders. What I've learned since my one year here at Tustin, that the first no is not a real no. that the first no is, you know, come back and try with different ideas. And since we've been doing that, I think it's given off a different energy that not only property owners, but I think that business owners are beginning to see that the city's thinking about these vacancies that are on everybody's mind a little differently. So this is a collaboration that we did with our incredible planning department. This took a few days, but it was just us leaning on some of the technologies that we have our access to, it's working with AI and reimagining our spaces. And it might be a silly rendering, but you'll be surprised how far these renderings have gone in conversations with the property owners and different stakeholders to say, hey, we're thinking a little differently about these vacancies. This is another really neat initiative. We are really concerned and enthused by the idea of creating really strong partnerships that sometimes we're struggling. We're looking really hard at our Chamber of Commerce. We're looking really hard at our foundations. There's multiple foundations. education, there's our testing foundation, and we are trying to lean in on their strengths. We're trying to see how we could help on some of the things that they need help with. One of the things that we've noticed with our chamber is that they needed to have a little bit of a capacity building event. full disclosure, I'm a soccer fanatic, so we came up with the idea of having a viewing party for the FIFA World Cup. So this is big for Tustin. I know that you're starting to see viewing events pop up all over the country, and I think that there's at least 10 going on in the OC, but this one's going to be really unique. This is going to be at the end of July, July 19th. We're going to be partnering up with a few really key partners, Chamber of Commerce, the Dreamers Market, the Tustin Foundation to bring like a family focused event and hopefully it'll be a great event. But again, it just shows you how we're looking at partnerships and economic development a little differently. We're here to answer any questions in regards to our programs and anything you guys want to know about us.

Go for it.

I'm curious to start with what your KPIs are. What does success look like to economic development? Because I'm sure there's a lot. If you've added communications, you're going to have a lot headed your way in terms of people projecting what you should be doing. So I'm curious what you have signed up to do. KPIs?

So I think our first year was revolved around two main things. We wanted to build those relationships that when we started getting out into the community, we noticed that there was a big wall between City Hall and and small business owners. So we didn't dive too much into like deep analysis as to, you know, what do we want our KPIs to be? It was build the relationships, start using place your AI to really see how we can use analytics to help those small businesses. And then at the end of the day, I think that the main thing that we wanna do is we wanna leverage marketing to see how we could start at least telling more stories about our community.

So, but are there specific, targets that you were given by the city manager? I'm just curious if there is something more tangible than general.

Through the chair, if I may. No, there's not. So we're really just kind of navigating this on a day-to-day, month-to-month basis. So we did set target goals for the visitation program, for example, that Micah walked through. We are always trying to be in engagement and be responsive when information comes to us about, oh, this business closed, what's going to happen there. So we do not have metrics per se. We are very much just in the work.

You're going to have a lot to do over a couple of years. So I'm just curious for us, because I want you to know, I can't believe I'm going to admit this. I joined the planning commission, or I asked to join the planning commission, because I thought we got to pick the businesses that came. And I found out that was not true at all. But nine years later, now I get it. Okay, I think some of the ideas out there are phenomenal. I'm going to make a recommendation that you reach out to someone by the name of Bobby Siegel in Corona, if you don't know him already, and what he has done to combine the Chamber of Commerce with economic development and the city is by far, I've seen so many chambers, and I'm happy to make the connection. Yeah. They're in Riverside County. Karen Spiegel is a supervisor out there as his wife. But it's amazing how brilliantly they've brought businesses together. Because going one-on-one, and again, just as a small business owner, it's very difficult, much easier to bring people in to learn more about each other. And that is what they were able to do. And so the networking took place organically when businesses saw that they had synergies, cross-marketing opportunities, et cetera. So that was my small editorial. And the beer garden. God, it's better than eminent domain, I guess. But I think this is so cool. But when you do something like that, who are you funding? Are we funding it as a city? Is economic funding it? You find an operator. It sounds like you're fundraising. I'm just curious about that.

No, no, no. We're not fundraising. Our main job is, again, to be the connector. There was a piece of multiple pieces of property that a lot of people were interested in doing something with. Right. And when we tried our first time with at the bigger Prescott property and it didn't go as we planned, we just left that property. open. And what we noticed is that there were a list of breweries that wanted to come to old town. So all we did is grab that next brewery or the third in line. Cause the second one went somewhere else. And we just pivoted from one property to another one. And this other one, we just connected them to, to the property owner and they came up there. They're well on their way to a lease agreement.

Oh, that's great. I think the concierge service is brilliant as someone who's cried in a city. Cause like they, the different groups weren't talking to each other trying to get a permit. So I love this because I've always felt like the city has been very business friendly. And so this just adds to that. Let's see. If you're doing communication, I'm gonna wait because there's some, I don't wanna grandstand, but. Okay, so if you're gonna take over communications, and this is something I was gonna make in my comments, I continue to be concerned and I hear, that we are not alerting people enough more broadly. And when I see something like the J-D-U-A-D-U being in a quarter page ad in the Tustin City News, great. I'm glad we're supporting Tustin City News, but I'd really like there to be more visibility with all of the social media channels. And that's just something you'll hear regularly. There's such a huge opportunity to actually, we have the app. Everything is kind of a pull in this city, kind of, or you have to go seeking it. it would be really great to set a push out in terms of text. We've got so many cool things this summer because we have the best, what is it, parks and recreation, bar none. Like, it is so great, all the things, the movies, the parks, everything else. But I hear, and then even these Thursday night events once a month with Sunset Market, push something out because, and then creating a business networking opportunity there. When I go through the, I love going and talking to other small businesses. But, and I know there are a lot of people want to come to a business friendly city and i really believe that we are and sorry all right that's it for now i'll go anyone next chair for him good chair uh wonderful presentation uh like the energy of the entire group and staff and appreciate

the hard work and, um, excited about, uh, I know these are just ideas, but excited about where kind of where works were no nothing's, um, nothing's off the table, so to speak. And you're, and you're pushing the envelope. I love that one little rendering of the kind of, um, open air across the street, you know, just ideas like that, that are new and uh newer and um i think would really thrive and i agree that concierge um program is fantastic so um good work thank you do you guys do talk and testing the there's like an email and then there's the magazine

We are slowly going to start taking that over. That's currently in a different department, but that will transition to us. So to answer your question, yes, we do. Going forward.

I mean, I do like that as far as the push out is like, you know, updates of things that are going. Anytime I think the residents could I think it is actually pretty well received, the tests and emails, the weekly tests and emails. So I enjoy it to see what's going on. I think we are the Davids surrounded by Goliaths. So I think one of our biggest strengths is that we're a smaller, nimble city. And what I appreciate about you guys is that you're willing to swing for the fences. And that's my only encouragement is just, you know, as big as you think you're swinging, swing bigger. Because like I said, I love... Would cities try new things? And I think that's one of our biggest strengths here is that, you know, we're all in one building. We all know each other really well. Just keep doing it. Keep hammering it. And I'm excited and really, really supportive of what you guys are doing. Thank you.

Just kind of echo it, love the momentum, right? First off, congrats on your digital media award. Nice trophy, you got to get a trophy case. But just, you know, I love everything that you're doing. I think it's a really tough line that government can't control what happens to some degree. It's a lot of private land and whatnot, but you've shown really what impact can have when you have conversations that you can initiate that change that we see in the community. So just congrats to that. One question and then one comment. So you kind of aim for 800 touch points. How many of those have you completed so far?

350.

Yeah. Wow. In a year. 350. No, Annie. Less than a year.

This started September last year.

Jose, it's going to be hard to follow this. Just sorry in advance.

The majority of them were Old Town Tussin because of the improvements and there was necessity to canvas that right away. And now with communications being put on our department, we've taken a little bit of a pause. Once that manager comes in, we'll be reactivating visitation. About visitation, it's just us and Polos going out to the community. Some of them are well curated. They know we're coming. The other ones, we're just saying hello. Yeah.

To whatever cash register is available.

And if you want to know a little bit on stats, about 1 in 10 visitation leads to an actual relationship to them coming back to our offices for different programs, for CityScope. So it's about a 1 in 10 ratio.

Wow. I don't know how you support it with such a small staff, but amazing.

We are growing. We are growing slowly. Awesome.

Just echoing, keep up this great work. You mentioned that you maybe view Brewery 1.0 as a failure. I view it as a huge success, right? It was the first thing that happened and you don't stumble a little bit along the way. I will be a great customer of 2.0. I love the mock-ups that you put in. I love seeing bike racks in your second mock-up. I hope to see them in more. That's the side comment. We love bike racks. And one other thing I would really love to see in those parklets are some mock-ups of some dogs.

You got it.

There we go. But thank you guys for all that you're doing.

Thank you. You're welcome.

Just a few final comments. This is the fact that we're bringing together all of these communications and outreach and the community together is going to be huge. I just am going to reiterate that a lot is going to be projected onto this mighty but small team growing all that and just being really clear where you can help. And, you know, I don't know if there is a board of advisors or a small business, like where you've got these groups that, I sit on so many boards that where I'm out doing the work that, you know, helps that. So, um, if there is an, uh, an intention to do that, another great way to bring people in, um, and see what they're missing. There's so much cool stuff going on in the city. I also think that since we've developed the, um, we've got two sides of Tustin, right? Like we've got this side and then you've got, um, everything over, um, at the district, and it's just, it feels like how is, is there anything more unifying? And I just see it's a massive, massive undertaking for you all. But you did say Old Town is your primary focus right now.

We'll be honest. Old Town has a tendency to suck us in.

Yeah.

We'll be honest. Yeah. But we need to expand. Michael, you want to say something?

Yeah, I just wanted to chime in. I think that's actually one of Tustin's great advantages is that we have so many distinct areas. Commissioner Douthat brought up how sometimes it can feel like the city's in two, sort of with the ranch area and the non-ranch area, but actually it's ranch, sort of the older portion of Tustin, and then it's the legacy. Those are three distinct, very different styles of development that actually give us a lot of latitude when we're coming in, trying to market Tustin. because we're not 100% Irvine. The Tustin Ranch offers Irvine-like amenities, though. We're not like Santa Ana fully, but we've got sort of the old style of suburban 60s development that makes up a lot of what the old town and greater old town. And then we've got brand new development coming in the legacy area, which really we can sell as like, hey, you want to dream something? We've got a place for you to do it. Let's talk. Let's have that conversation. So it really helps us with business attraction. It really helps us bring in quality businesses. It helps us be able to locate and shuffle businesses around. If one area doesn't necessarily work, there's an alternate place where they can find business. So we've got a place for chains. We've got a place for small businesses. We've got a place for brand new concepts. And so there's plenty of opportunities in Tustin. I think we actually have one of the stronger teams when it comes to economic development compared to our larger neighbors. So we do have that nimbleness. We also have plenty of opportunity.

Any more comments or questions? Thank you for joining us tonight and sharing all of this. We look forward to hearing more and supporting you how we can.

Thank you so much for the questions. Thank you.

Through the chair, if I, if I may, could you call for a very brief recess, three to five minutes? I sure can.

I'm going to call for a very brief recess.

My turn for a bathroom break? Yeah.

I'd like to make a quick statement for the record. As you're aware, the city's Granicus system did drop and we have not been able to restore that system not withstanding just under an hour of good faith attempts to get that going again. However, the Zoom system or Zoom line has remained intact throughout this entire period of time. So folks are still able to observe and as noted on tonight's agenda, they're able to comment on the public hearing item through Zoom if they wish to do so. So with that in mind, where we left off, I believe, we were handling questions of staff from the commissioners on our public hearing item concerning ADUs. So that's where we left off. And once you've been able to go through any questions of staff, I'd ask that we then open the public hearing and see if there are folks either in person or on Zoom who wish to provide testimony.

Wonderful. Thank you. I am going to resume the questions because I was in the middle of one. The question I have really is about the impact on staff. It seems like the costs and are there plans for that or can we not anticipate that? What kind of discussions have taken place?

Quite honestly, from my perspective, The real challenge for staff is the constant amendments to state law that bring us to these code amendments and back through the planning commission and the city council. The state exemption ADUs, they are what they are. And ADUs in and of themselves aren't particularly complex development. It's pretty straightforward. So for planning purposes, we haven't had to process all that many. As mentioned earlier, you know, I think Garden Grove did 300 last year compared to five or six here. So the scale of it for us has been very manageable.

It's good to know. I just think, obviously, the fact that we're being dictated to to. allow things that could affect our community. Just a last question on that. Is there anything in any of this that was our discretion versus there's 100% of this just aligning with state law at this point?

I think a lot of it is just to match state law. There are provisions that are already existing as it relates to ADU where the city has discretion, but again, those have already been adopted.

Okay, so we didn't proactively layer in something as an opportunity to.

Yes, that's correct. This is really about compliance.

All right. Any other questions? All right, let's go.

Uh, so you mentioned Garden Grove did 300 and we've done, we did five or six. Was that five or 600 or was that five or six ADUs?

Five or six ADUs.

Wow. So this whole discussion is last year we did five or six ADUs. That's pretty crazy.

Yeah. I don't know that I have an exact count off the top of my head, uh, but I six to 10, five to 10, somewhere around there probably. Um, We do track it we just I just didn't pull those numbers.

off the top of your head again, these are quick. quick thinking. Are most of our ad us in. Which quadrant of the city.

I would say we have fewer ADUs in areas with associations. So, you know, your typical land communities, I, as far, as far as exterior, you know, detached interior conversions.

I would say mostly in single family areas. So, you know, those are relatively spread out, but you do see some in, uh, in and around Old Town, mostly north of the five, just because as Jay was mentioning, a lot of those are just single family properties.

Additionally, I'd say probably some of the older neighborhoods where the housing, people come in and they start doing work on a house or they feel willing to reinvest in the house, if you will, versus newer construction.

And are most of the ADUs that are coming into the city Do the developers slash just homeowners know their rights as far as developing an ADU? Or are they coming to us saying like, hey, what can't I do?

We definitely get people coming to us and asking, what can we do? I think it's much, you know, people are much more aware of ADUs than they were five years ago. I think they're much more aware that the state mandates the city to comply and that there's state laws. We have a number of builders, you know, contractors out there that specialize in ADUs and market themselves for ADUs. So, you know, people are becoming much more aware of it. So, yeah. We do have a few people that proclaim to be experts in HCD law and will tell us that we don't comply when we do comply. So, you know, that happens. But generally speaking, you know, the public is becoming much more savvy. I will say that these laws, state laws, are... are convoluted and they are hard to read even for us who you know deal with it regularly and we constantly are having a debate as to what it means and having to check htd guidance in their handbook so um

And just to add one bit, just off anecdotal over-the-counter experiences that we received day-to-day, I want to say I started about maybe three years ago. I would say that from then to now, there has been at least more questions asked at the counter as far as to that. I don't have numbers right now, but we can definitely have noticed the interest kind of spike a little.

very good thank you for fielding those questions sorry i didn't come to you guys more prepared on that that's it one more question if the city were to meet arena obligation of housing would we regain any control over adus no we will not thank you to the chair uh one last just quick question since we're talking about numbers i don't know if there's any way for a projection but

you know, said maybe six to 10. And then with the new, this new implementation, are we looking at like a 10 X or a higher or of, of all, of all the different types of ADUs?

Yeah. I don't think we can project, um, what this law is going to change. Um,

Yeah, my guess would be very little. Certain communities have very much embraced ADUs and others have not. And at the moment, Tustin is not one that has. So my sense is that these items that are here in front of you really don't have a whole lot of bearing on what the pipeline would look like. ADUs are already allowed. There's already a lot of leniency that's involved with them. So I really don't think that this moves the needle a whole lot for anyone.

And then one just top of mind too. With regards to parking, you know, everybody complains about parking and stuff. Is that going to be or is the city gonna start looking at, you know, we're gonna have parking issues potentially, and like ways to maybe maybe address them when they arrive?

I think where staff is at right now is that, yes, there's a much greater conversation about transportation and alternatives to cars. I know that the Public Works Department received a grant related to transportation funding, alternative transportation funding, whether that's bikes, making things more comfortable for pedestrians, transit, all of those things are really the solution, so to speak, to remove the number of vehicles that So yes, that is something that is being discussed as we move towards our general plan update. That will be a huge component of it.

Thank you.

And this is my ADD question. It's the last one. So I think I know the answer to this, but you build three ADUs on your single family home. And then I know that I believe the law is you can have per bedroom, two people plus one. maximum in a residency? Does the ADU change that, or is it each room where there's a bed, just out of crazy curiosity?

Does anyone know the answer to that? I don't believe there's- Sort of like chain.

Yeah. Chaining off- Could it be like three? Yeah. Does it become squared, the number of people? Only just out of the density, there's some neighborhoods with a lot of density already.

Yes, there are. And no, I don't believe there's anything in the ADU provisions that deviates at all from that section of the health and safety code that talks about overcrowding conditions.

Great. Any more questions? If not, I will open it. All right, one more. Last one.

You mentioned garden grove may have had like around 300 but why would a city that is twice our population have such a much higher demand for ad us than us like is there something that they're doing more to encourage ad us or like any any ideas behind that.

it's possible almost everyone in their house in their last housing element had to include programs to provide streamlining or incentives things like that I don't know off the top of my head specifically what garden grove may or may not have implemented it's possible it's also just a very different community they've got different lot sizes they have a lot of multi-generational households so there's there's a lot of things that could play into that interesting

All right. Go ahead and bring it back. Are there any public comments, Vera?

Chair, I see no hands raised in Zoom and I have not received emails and there's no one in the audience.

Thank you. And bring it back to us. Any final comments before we take

motion to pass resolution 4544 adopting ordinance 1578 and yes i'm proud i wrote that down and before i second it i just wanted to make a comment that

There's a lot of people that are probably watching this about Tustin and ADUs, but as we heard today, we are just basically meeting the minimum of what the state is requiring of us for ADUs. We are not going above and beyond that. So with meeting the minimums and avoiding a lot of headache and issues if we didn't. And legal. And lawsuits. And lawsuits to drain funds that we don't want to lose, I will second.

Well, we have a motion and a second. Sarah, do you want to take a roll call vote?

Commissioner Gallo?

Aye.

Commissioner Douthit?

Aye.

Chair Pro Tem Kozak? Aye. And Chair Mason? Aye. Motion passes 4-0-1. Thank you.

If I could, through the chair, not that I want to slow down the process here. I just wanted to clarify that once this ordinance is adopted, we need to submit it to the state. We do expect HCD to provide comments on it. So just in case this does need to come back to you for any revisions, I want you to be aware of that. We're doing the best we can to address state law.

All right. So it could come back to us for one final review. Yes. Okay. All right. Done with that. I'm going to go ahead and move on to other business, and I will turn it over to Alexa, our community development director.

Thank you, Chair. I just wanted to share that last week the city council did adopt the budget for this coming fiscal year, which included funding for our general plan update. So we'll be moving forward, which is very exciting. Thanks.

Good. So for the commission, any comments and reports?

Briefly, just something we talked about last time and excited it got approved in the budget and a grant to really make this happen. The city did get money for an active transportation plan. So hopefully that can help with some of the issues that we keep discussing. And just as kind of mentioned, it's Parks and Rec season. Well, I guess all year is, but congrats to Parks and Rec staff for an epic chili cook-off. Tomorrow begins the concerts in the park in Old Town if you need something to do. And then congrats to our new Mr. Tustin, David Flynn, who won in a very silly competition. I hope to see some of the men in this room on that stage next year.

Thank you. Thank you, Commissioner.

I'd like to echo Congratulations to Parks and Rec and the city for a great chili cook-off. It's a huge undertaking, so I know it's a lot of work, and I am very proud to be a Tustin resident when I go to the chili cook-off.

So, thank you.

Through the chair, nothing hasn't been said. It is true. I know being on the committee and being on Parks and Rec for a while, how much It takes to create an event, not only from staff, but also from volunteers and from those outside of the city. So it's really, really nice when everyone comes together and they did a fantastic job considering the pivot that they had to make with the construction. And yeah, I was very busy this year. But it was wonderful, and I just wanted to echo everybody in saying good job, Parks and Rec, and they will have an amazing summer series. I have no doubt about that.

Thank you. I think this is, as my husband said, I think we're rivaling Orange at this point, which says a lot. And if not, doing more. So great chili cook-off. Can't wait to go to the concerts and the movies and the Sunset Market. So that's it. That closes us off for tonight. The next regular meeting of the Planning Commission is scheduled for Tuesday, June 22. Good night.