Council - Regular Meeting

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Thank you. All right. As far as the budget goes, the gas bill is 7% left for the rest of the year. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's why it's so hot. Yeah, by the way, before we run out of time.

That's what we want to keep an eye on.

Fill up the gas.

Gas line down to 7.8 on that.

Parts and fixtures, I'm not worried about that. We need that for the computers, so we're good.

I didn't know that we had someone there. It's not a lot, but it's a little. Because, you know, I haven't been around. I don't think we've got... She's 7'7".

I'm getting a little nervous over here.

Just move it over there and do that.

On your VH, there's 7'5", and everything's at... Membership in case we still have some money up there. Park operating. Engage for all transportation.

But everything else looks really good. Now I'm all over it. I don't behave too much.

I didn't have any questions on the budget.

You addressed those areas that was concerning about the gas. It's all good to get that changed and then get to next year.

Jenna, on the funds report, I didn't see anything in there.

Does anybody have anything else to ask you? Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

We can't hear anything back there, so you have to speak up.

I make a motion that we accept the budget as presented.

I second.

All in favor? Aye. And then we also have the vouchers. If I have any questions, I'll move the vouchers. Parks came in. I don't know what I said. I thought it was Jim's bill.

Oh, I still have the picture. I have the parts. Yeah, just the parts.

Anybody have any questions about the vouchers?

No. Make a motion to accept the voucher.

Second that.

All in favor?

Aye. You didn't have anything to comment on.

No, I just kind of wanted to see what was going on.

Yeah, I heard you say that. So I was like zoomed out on that already.

You don't hear nothing good, but good things at all.

That's good. Must be running in a very small circle.

I wanted to thank John for speaking up at the hunting group he got a good job up there on the solar panels and so forth spoke last night in ireland as well that was uh kind of eye-opening to find out the people of ireland didn't know that there was going to be a solar vest going up in the uh shamrock mine area and uh quite a few discussions after the town hall.

And I know that CSC group has tried to make them aware of it.

That was why you were speaking to them. So they kind of are aware of what's going on.

They don't be blindsided. Yep.

Won't be long. It'll be all black from death to honor.

Okay, building permit. I don't know, does anybody have a draft?

And then Katrina made some amendments to the application for a building permit. Just because she knows better what she needs in the office than I do. So thank you Katrina for doing that. So I don't know if anybody has seen a copy of that. I know this is the second reading of this ordinance. We had, we introduced it at the last meeting. We kind of wanted to hold it over to discuss it a little bit, but no changes have been made. Again, it's just, it's very, it's dense because it's the ordinance that's provided, the ordinance template that's provided by the city. And it's also dense because of the sub definitions that the town is going to adopt based on Indiana law and based on maybe an admin code. But the gist of the ordinance is that it lays out the process for applying for a building permit in the town hall and it lays out the issuance of a permit by the town. It lays out when the town can

hold a permit.

For example, if there's a resident who has outstanding expenses that are due to the town, if the town is owed debt by a resident, they can withhold issuing a permit to that resident. So at the state, it plays out when the town can remove the permit, if the plans that get submitted are not being followed, when the town can issue a stop-work order. So it's very comprehensive. informative. One of the other things that it lays out is a resident's right to appeal when they work with a permit is denied, a permit application is denied. So it very concretely lays out that process. But yeah, the purpose of introducing it again tonight it's just so that we don't have to comment and everybody everyone's had a chance to review it um so i think we're just discussing and seeing their intentions later and questions we had one resident that came in got a copy of it uh and went through it and made some comments on it did you see that i can address those too so i know some of the comments that were made which i completely agree with there's a lot of code references that can be difficult for the average resident to kind of digest i just want to point out that the reason that those are references because the town is adopting those definitions directly from the indian code so rather than list out all of those specific definitions it just references an indian code provision, it makes the ordinance a lot shorter than it would be if you list out the definition. Anyone can Google those code references to get a definition, but there are a lot of code references because the purpose of a building ordinance like this is to adopt media code by referencing the code. The reason that that's done is so the ordinances aren't as long as the Indiana code. So it just says that the town is going to adopt this code reference. They're going to act pursuant to what the Indiana law says. So that's why there are so many references. I completely understand that that's overwhelming to see all of those references, but that's the reason why I did it. And I think there was also a comment on the application portion for a permit. I think a lot of that is addressed with our actual application when we look at it. It lists out the different types of improvements that are going to be included when applying for a permit. the type of construction that could be. The subject of a permit is to accept single family residences, multifamily, duplexes, commercial, industrial garages, carports, sheds, barns, fences, home or garage additions, concrete driveways, things like that. So I know it's not listed out in the Ordinance, the ordinance just says that a resident will submit an application on the form that's prepared by the town. So if anyone has questions about what that application would look like that wants to be available at the town hall, or anybody that would ever need to know what needs to be included on that application permit.

So yeah. I don't have any problems with the wording of the permit. I think it's something that the town needs to be able to be able to

Keep the checks and balances going so we know what's going on. So we have a shed that's not in the right place, it's outside, it's actually on somebody's land or within the property line without a waiver. So I think this is a very, very important step.

I honestly think that is correct. Can we go ahead and accept this?

We can, so we can pass it tonight. It needs to be published before it takes effect because it prescribes a penalty if someone doesn't adhere to the ordinance. It also needs to go before the state. It has to be approved by

fire prevention building commission so we can go ahead and adopt it tonight and then it would take it back once it's been published accepted by the state commission so as far as projects that people could do yourself as a home you know some red ones plastic water line in the house stuff like that that all needs to be noted or it does not i mean these are just some people's not going to get contractors to do their work these are like external improvements yeah just external

yeah additions to the house things like that i make a motion then that we're going to accept this billing command and support the advertising and then also be okay Yeah, I mean, we would.

This is the first I've seen this. Yeah, they all right thing up there.

Okay. I know we took a talk about the other day. Yeah.

And we can hold it over for another meeting if you'd like to tonight. But like I said, it wouldn't take effect until it's approved by the state, until it's published.

So we could go ahead and approve it tonight?

You could vote on it tonight, and if it passes, then it can still be submitted to the state, and it would have to be published.

And if Tom has a problem with it, and he wants to change something to it, can we amend it? Would we have to amend that ordinance, or would we?

I would want to amend before we accept it. I'm good with going in second.

Because I've read it and looked it over. I think it's good.

It's been introduced and we've numbered it. So you can either pass it or .

I'm kind of torn between giving it a second and saying let's hold it over so it allows Tom a little more time. Because he hasn't had a chance. Hasn't had a chance to bully, but we've got to read into it.

I'll look over to the next meeting and consider it. Have you had a chance to look over to the next meeting?

This is so we can text message out if there's a water boil order or that kind of thing. I don't know how many boil orders we've had this year. They would automatically get the text. It is $1,500 a year and it's a three year contract.

I think it's something that would be very useful for the town. I'm kind of with you on the three-year.

I don't like that.

But if it's going to tie us in where they're not going to be able to change the rate on us for three years, and then we keep track of when the time is to find out if it's an automatic renewal, then we need to make sure that we are on top of that. So if we find that this is not something that I get it, but I think it's the good way to inform.

I like the EMA tax that goes out.

We can do the same thing. This is going to allow us to do a lot of different things. Not only just notified foils, we can say road closures.

I assume we can do timeline. yes anything street cultures that kind of stuff i mean i'm not opposed to it other than i think we're just going to do well work and it's you know 1500 a year i walked into three years and we have to watch the date so what we if we want to cancel i'd be into the three years 60 days before yeah i mean i would be all right i'll deal with that as well

No, I'm in favor of it. I like the idea. I like the school corporation.

Right, and CMA and all that.

I mean, it's simple. I mean, if we have a... You know, if we close the road because of

automatic street work or a water main break we can notify the people instead of them notifying us because some of them don't realize whether they're rural or town or south of town whatever i mean i i'll make a motion to accept this with the three years as long as we keep in mind the succeeding cancellation and i think this can be taken out of the general fund yeah will this also include people who stand out because of their water customer yeah

But it has rules. Yes.

Yeah, it's all of our customers.

Okay. I second that motion.

All in favor?

Aye.

I think it's going to be a lot like the online option that we have now. We were skeptical about that.

And it's working.

And it is working big time now.

We can take it out of all. Yeah.

There's nobody. A lot of times it's like between three and 15 people, you know, so.

Or that one person said, older older older older older older older older older older older older older older older older older older older older older older older older older older We need to verify to make sure that it's either an annual repay or it's an automatic renewal.

If it is, then we just need to make sure to track that.

Not really much of an update. NDOT came in and did their study. For people who don't know, I contacted NDOT requesting a speed limit reduction from just north of Meridian and south of Kentucky, requesting it to be dropped down to 45 miles an hour due to the fact that I've had people complain about the speeds that are on 161, especially on Main Street when they try to pull out and go to the north. That little curve there, people are on top of you before you know it. So I reached out to them and asked if they would do a site study, speed study, uh and then see if they would be willing to reduce it they came back with a with a big fat no they're not going to reduce it they What I find ironic is when it comes to the speed limit check, 85% speeds on the 161 east of the town of Holland were approximately 60 miles an hour. And that's well within the expected acceptable range. I don't understand that. I question that. I questioned that in a second email, and they said, well, it's just like if you're driving on 161 or Interstate 64, and you get your speedometer set, your cruise set at 76 miles an hour, most of the time, they won't pull you over. It's kind of a gray area. So I don't understand that. I was going to do the math, but then I was like, no, I'm not taking the speed, the distance from Mary Street, I think, is that Mary Street? Mary Street to Main Street at 55 miles an hour, and then from Mary to Main at 60 miles an hour. See how many seconds was that? And I just thought, I'm just not willing to go and get into this. So they did put up some caution signs to identify the intersections on uh meridian and mary street uh to say that hey there's an intersection there be careful now what does that do yeah they run over so when they run over them they break away so uh there is there is warning signs that there's intersections for people 161 that are driving a little faster than normal i also brought up the uh the increased traffic on that road of heavy equipment and uh because of the dove and the solar. And they said that was not enough for us to reduce it, not even to be temporary reduced. So that is that portion of it. My second letter back to them, I asked if they would be willing to put the radar signs that tell you how fast you go and say, hey, slow down, you know, that kind of thing. they informed us that uh for me that that uh that that money is no longer available so we wanted to as a town we could put those in but i don't think we should have to do that that should be a state requirement so that is the update for that that is to let you all know that this is the third time that i attempted to get this reduced so brief strikes and we're still sitting in the dugout. We tried we tried. They said that they had somebody down there.

Well, that's a lot of what Route 15 does. They have their traffic came in. Sure. Traffic cars.

The traffic has slowed down because of the amount of vehicles. It's hard to even do a U-turn, you know, to stop somewhere. But I've noticed the speeds have slowed down compared to what they were before all that extra traffic. So it's more like the average, I'd say, is 67, which is still too fast.

Well, it is right there. It's hard to get in and out. Yeah.

let's say well I'm still I still want you to yes and if you want to go with me okay thank you John there's no update on the sewer ban letter yet

I mean, we've talked to them, we've been around, but we still have got nothing. So, definitely. Before we move on to the next thing, I would like to bring up the ordinance for additional appropriations. Like Ray said, when I called and asked him, he said, we can adopt it tonight's meeting once we submit the final approval, and don't seek receivable denials from us. So, and that is the extra money that we asked for for street painting, which was $50,000. Our cash flow is good, so it's very good.

So, we're going to divide and I need to submit to you. I made a motion that we accept these visible populations.

yeah i did talk about they did they did do some patches i know at least we don't have to worry about concrete flicking out of them yeah

The last meeting that is September the 16th, 430 to 630 at Jackson City Hall.

Yes. I plan to come to you just if I can.

i have a waiver that i would like to run forward to we would like to build a shed somewhere close to about 10 feet off the property line There it is. It just reads that I am wavering to tell them all that's been done next to my property. This street is standing on the property. Okay with that? Where's that actually going to be at?

It's closer to your property.

It'll be on our property.

It'll be on your property?

It's not across his property line. It's just for the setbacks. You know what I mean?

No, I don't. It's not going to be on your property. It's not going to be on the property. That's what I said. I heard it's going to be on my property.

No, they'll be to replace the shed on their property.

Okay.

We're going to be at least eight or nine feet off the property, but I just wanted to make sure I... And a lot of the notices we get are spam.

but I can't block out them because we won't get the right email. But yeah, it's too bad. We're good for a while.

I did get a letter from the Southwest Dubois County School Corporation that they were working on a grant application for different things for the school district, partnering with the community and support after school and some of the programs came through that you wanted to sign it because they come out and help. park and do community service out there eight graders some of them that's good four ages so i did sign and sit back it was just a memorandum of understanding that we they do help us in the park and in the town and recognition outdoor wellness learning and community-based submissions i was glad to hear from ryan that's very good community one other thing I do want to say that on September 29th from 6 to 8 at the community center we're going to have some time come down he is the bar chief in Honeyburg he will be discussing some of the how they're going to let people know on text messages to the EMA whether it's evacuation shelter in place what what is going on if there's an incident he would be the incident commander ema told me to talk to him so i didn't call him and i talked to him for a long time he had a lot of good information on how they would make the decisions but i wanted to make it after their training with aes which is on the 23rd 27th yeah so that's why i said it was 29. he did say he didn't want people to get mad at him and i said you're not you're held be, you know, as long as everybody just has good questions, listens to what he has to say, the information he has to offer. I think there's been a lot of questions on how will we be notified? Well, how will we know what it is? Who's going to be responding? But he would be the incident commander because he's running for fire department chief. So he would be the one making the call to what text goes out. So he will be on there on the 29th from 6 to 8. I'm doesn't last till 8, that's fine. Open to the public. Anybody that wants to come, we'll be putting it on Facebook as soon as it's wanted and out the first. I gave a week or so notice because he told me he would do it. And I just wanted to make sure he put it on the channels.

Just make sure the people that are going to be there understand. It's informational. So if they ask a question and they get belligerent, we're going to ask them to leave.

He's not responsible.

He's not to blame. He's not to be blamed about this. He's trying to keep the communities, Honeyburg and now Holland, informed and safe. So that's one of the things that we need to make sure that we put that out before the meeting.

Yes, I will say it at the meeting. And then he'll be there just in case. I don't think we'll have any problems, but I know people are very hurt and they have a lot of issues with it. You know, my house is under $1,000. himself i would be at absentee but this is not what donnie's here for he's just here to help us understand how the process will work if something happens so i think it's several a lot of questions that people have and who to call because i called the amaze

We had a lot of complaints about the echoing in the Bev and Ron Center. So I kind of did some research on panels, the acoustic panels to kind of deaden that. And I found a product that I think will be okay. Right there. It can be attached to the wall by either using drywall screws or heavy-duty command strips. And I think that might be something to help with that echo. And if everybody knows, all it is is the sound bouncing off all the walls. So if we can get something to absorb it a little bit, I really think we need to put some blinds in there.

Yeah, tell us about rolling blinds maybe and pull them halfway down and that will absorb some of the sound. I noticed at St. Henry they have the same issue with their big buildings. It echoes, but they don't have windows like we do. They can put sound panels on the wall. We can put it between the windows, which I think is a good way to talk to an A's and C's what would be the best way to do that.

Okay, that's fine.

If we can use the felt probe, I think that would be best.

It depends on how heavy each panel is.

They look fairly lightweight.

Well, I would think they would be, since it's a felt backing with solid wood panels. So I think that would be OK. Once I talk to him, then I'll go and see if that's something.

I think we have to do something, because it is very, especially if you have hearing aids, it's very difficult to hear. And I don't want to really put anything on the ceiling with the sprinkler system there.

Well, there's options you can use. You can, but you have to know what the spray pattern is for the nozzles. that would have to be something we have to ask and the wood panels for 20 of them and a thousand dollars that would be something that if that would work that would help yeah that's something that's reasonable cost and i think also putting some blinds in there and also a bi-fold door for that kitchen the thing could be putting bi-folds in there so that would help you close it and that would help anything is going to absorb that that that sound or start yes start with the one thousand dollars and see where we go i mean i think they're attractive enough i actually seen them i actually went and looked at them and i think they're i think it'd be i think it'd be good for that well like you say this is the actual that's the actual panel design and that's a picture that i took and then put those in there so

I think that will really start to help once we try that, see how it does, if we need additional stuff. Yeah, like this in the corner. Yeah, I just hate to have to do a whole lot, just try to kind of eliminate as much as we can. Because we're just now starting to get it rented out quite a bit. We don't want to overwhelm our budget.

Not only that, you know, if we don't do something just to quiet that building down, get the inside of that building down, we're not going to rent it. People are going to say it's too loud.

I think that's what we'll start with.

Okay. And then my afternoon project today was to look at, with the budget, the property tax reduction and everything that's coming up next year, I'm worried about what kind of money we're not going to receive because of the property tax on that Senate Bill 1, right? Senate Bill 1. So I kind of did some looking at things, and I think that we're not doing bad. I mean, the town's really not doing bad for the budget that we have. But if we're decreasing what we're receiving from the state, and everything is increasing, like we have water projects that we know that we have to get done. We know we have roads that need to be done. The sewer ban, we know something's going to have to be done with that. We need to start looking at that, and I kind of put a little packet together. This is just my thoughts. It doesn't mean two hoots and a win, but this is some of the things that we kind of will make us start making. So look it over, and we can talk about it. We need to do a special meeting or whatever, just sit down and talk about it. It's basically planning for the next five years. That's basically how I look at it. And doing it smartly, you know, because we're going to lose money.

You did the same thing with the five-year plan. We got a $20,000 cut last year. We were ready for it.

but it still hurts yeah it does yeah but you know we plan to have enough and then the way that the property tax looks it's it's really going to hurt these small towns are the ones that are yeah because we don't have the other tech because we don't have the other tech space like we don't like burton honeyberg and jasper they all have their utilities they they buy the utility the electric is up then they sell it to them to the residents and they have that ability to raise that electrical and water and you know so the only thing we have is water you know and we don't really sell we don't we don't sell that water so we're right we need to look we need to look at this and be on top of it or you could come back to buy this we've done pretty good pretty good planning in the last 10 years we've gotten a lot of projects done and stayed within our budget and scott does does a really good job i keep on top of water projects and things like that so i mean it's just

And we'd like to look at, I think, with the year, maybe we've got that $160,000 loan and 3%, which is really good. Right now, the water money is coming good, and we've done some projects that we've had less water leaks. We might want to add another $25,000 to our spot. Because we can pay it off early without any kind of penalties. We pay it with, like, the water charge, and we're not allowed to. But we can, with this one, we can pay it off early. So at the end of the year, we see we've got an extra $20,000, $25,000 to pay it, and then we might still have enough to do an aid project. In what you're doing, that's what we're doing.

Just try to plan ahead. Make sure that our budget is sound so we don't have to go, oh, no, we've got to get another loan.

Yeah. And we took out the loan because we were doing well with water.

wanted to prevent something else i thought about today is saying about maybe putting some money into like a grant fund so if we do matching for a grant we have this fund here i mean i thought i thought about that today i was looking through some of you know some of the stuff i was like you know the the ssa the ss4a you know we we were able to do that matching But when it comes to, hey, let's get these sidewalks built, there's no way we could have done that matching.

We could have, but the problem with that, we would have taken away the water projects, the sewer projects, and those are the things that cost us big bucks.

Exactly. So I think we need to think about that.

We may want to look at putting it in there and maybe doing it on our own, powering our own contract. We could do it much cheaper by having a pump. getting concrete company.

You're saying like you need to keep the government out of it.

Actually, we can't hardly afford to use their money. It's a lot easier if we can pay for it in cash.

But I think a fund directed for grant money, a matching fund for grants, might be a good idea.

We could do that here. If we're looking at general or whatever, we have capital outlay that could be that could be put in special earmark. But if instead of just rolling it over, we can put capital outlay into that.

Yeah. I mean, there's grants out there. But you just when you see that 8020 8020 pay, you're like, hey, that's, that's a lot of cash that we just have to match 80,000.

But again, sidewalk, you could probably get done for $80,000. That's, that's fun. But you still have to have the studies and once you've jumped into it, and that's just how it is.

And Michael just wasted, I hate saying that, but it's a waste of money. Everybody's got to have a job. I can remember going to the airport when they were doing, talking about expanding that, that runway and the engineer would walk up and say, this study has been completed. We did, here's a voucher for $40,000. And they'd go, okay. So I just have a hard time with that.

I have a hard time with myself.

Speaking of water towers, do you have any word on the inspection? Did you call Tim?

No, I heard him. That's not possible. Okay. We need to make contact with him because we did say that we could do it. We need to make contact with him and tell him what our plans are. Hopefully.

one one last thing um i'd like to see if we could agree on doing an auto paper like center point trying to get that done so it'll be a little bit less on ray to have to write checks because we got what 11 different 11 different uh 12 different bills that we have to write checks for and if it was to go into the auto pay it would be a certain time of the month and you wouldn't have bills you wouldn't think about that you want to think about that yeah i'm not an autopay person but i know just think about it how those trouble you pay

So it wouldn't change in Keystone as far as how it's being paid if it's auto pay through Centerpoint and would just pull from the general account or from the water account but as far as what we see and the paperwork it would all be fine it would be the same yeah it's just making sure that all of the ducks are enrolled you would have to if you run out of one appropriation in like mbh that it's covered yeah because the general may not have it in the electric budget that's the thing but really i mean nothing changes really we just wouldn't be writing a check that would be the only problem is making sure that we're going to get the bill and some of the statement on there how much it is important for staying like the station parkland station just a thought ray don't hate me i mean i think something i just don't you know i said i'm not a good person so i don't know that

and as long as they come out you know and the bill will say what it is it's just timing when it comes out well even the auditors had mentioned to me at one time when they were here this last time why we didn't pay more with auto pay because of the mail system and especially now

It's, well, I had somebody from Toll City call me because they received one of our customers' water bills. Just letting us know, hey, we've got this water bill for one of your customers. So that's how screwy the post office is right now.

And I don't like the auto-pay simply because it's easier to pack. And I've had many, many people tell me that their systems have been checked and hacked. because they're auto-paying. It can be easier hacked.

You don't even know what the term hack means.

Oh, yes, I do. I'm much smarter than I look.

And you're more likely to get hacked with Amazon or eBay, not so much Centerpoint or Verizon, anything like that.

I don't know. Medicare got hacked. That's being unknown. Yeah.

So it's good for God. It's good for God to see how easy it is.

You have something. It's pretty worth checking it for.

Trent, do you want to bring it up here?

Yeah, I filled out a request form for some time on there. It's the last week on, so the first week of November.

I don't have any problem if you talk to Chris or somebody.

I already did, and he said he will. So I'm not opposed to it. Like, if you guys got support and you can take care of in that time, I'll come and do it for you. It's not really a vacation. That's one of them.

Almost in?

Yeah. It's not. It was this time. I mean, it was nice. I don't have a problem. No, I'm good.

Denied recent advice.

Well, we used to always do this. It's a mental health.

It's a mental health, too.

It's nice to have it so you have it on file.

Yeah. I'm okay with it. I didn't even know that existed.

We used to have it all the time, didn't we? No idea what you're talking about.

No idea what you're talking about.

The thing of it is, sometimes if you don't look at the calendar in there, you don't know when somebody's missing or gone. Even like Kenny, you know, I don't want to call somebody when they're on vacation or they're gone. So does Kenny need to fill those out? He needs to at least let us know that he's going to be gone, I think. And he lets us know. By the calendar. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, we...

Both of us know when he's going to be here.

But not everybody. Unless you look at the calendar and you figure out whose color is who. We probably ought to have color on there.

Well, they put their initials there in color with the highlighter.

Yeah, mine are done. They're in squares.

K-N is pink and S-H is orange. I don't have a color. You never take off, so it's not an issue right now. Yeah, we need them.

We will find a color for you. Okay. You got anything, Scott?

Other than next week, I'm going to start question time. And we're going to do that until it's finished. Next week, we're going to start it.

Where are you?

I'm going to wash my truck. I do it in order. I start on the northwest side, and I do it in order all the way. That's fine.

This is where the hydrants run.

Just follow the white track. That's what I'll do. I'll get the right side at 100, left side at 100. You'd be shocked how many people do that.

I'll get you all pumped into the 2027 budget.

We need to set things. I have to have it submitted. proposing that we have the first public hearing on our october meeting october 7th and last year we had the second hearing on the adoption of the 28th date so it's the 27th let me look at my calendar Okay, so what are the dates again, Ray? I'm sorry. I'm here. What did you say? date seven 27th that's not right for a meeting okay the first public hearing okay and then the next one is the 27th i'd say that's both at 6 p.m okay still more vacation for you i'll be at another meeting can we do it We had talked a little bit earlier today about trying to save a little money here and there.

I think since we do not use the key assets program, we should get rid of it.

That's $915 a year we are paying for something we don't even touch.

Let me ask about that first. Okay. Because a lot of times they want the buildings and the equipment on it, they use the program.

But it doesn't even really have everything that we've got.

No, but it does have something on it, is what I'm saying. It does have a report. Just what me and Lisa put in.

So, I mean, I really think that's something, I mean, we don't use it. So.

But the engineers, you're saying the engineers can still use that? Okay, are you going to check and see if they'll?

I'll check. Okay. there are several things no no but I thought that would help maybe cover part of the cost for that text to my god thing well I think that think that's a good program. I really I my biggest thing was to stick up in three years. That's that's all I don't think it's a bad thing. Oh, no, no, that's not what I'm saying. And it can be put in the service.

Way to get money. Yeah.

So we're not Yeah, because we have had some extra mailings we've done this year. So now postage accounting down. Yeah. Yeah, there's been some extra catalog.

Let's see what no 915 it for the year more than I don't think so. I don't think so. Do that to us.