Public Works Committee - Regular Meeting

So, let me know when we're ready. Go ahead. Okay. Yep.

All right. Good evening, everybody, or good a afternoon. It is the uh Hendersonville Public Works Committee for scheduled for March 24th at 5:30 p.m. here this evening. Um, Alderman Martin is going to be just a little late. He's um like everyone else from Hendersonville. I'm sure the the traffic is really bad coming out of Nashville, but he'll be here about 10 minutes uh late this evening. Hopefully uh when he walks in, I'm going to say, "Okay, I need a motion to adjourn and see what he says." But anyway, uh we'll go ahead and call the meeting to order. Uh we do have a quorum. And um if there's no objection, is there any addition or deleting to the agenda? Hearing none, we'll move right along. I need a motion for the minutes approval of February 24th of 22nd.

Move to approve. Okay. And I will second that motion. Uh any further discussion on the motion of the minutes? Hearing none. Is everyone ready to vote? All in favor of approving the minutes of February 24th, 2026 signify saying I. I. All oppose. It passes unanimously. Um, citizens comments. Is there any com citizens here tonight this evening? You see, I feel lost.

Oh, so that's kind of you to do that. All right. Um, there's none. We'll move right along to the ordinances and resolutions. Uh, we have one uh resolution or two resolutions rather. one. Uh the first one is the reading of a resolution 2026 uh 09, a resolution accepting the dedication of the completed streets on Durham Farms phase 4 section 35B in Hendersonville. And um need a motion. I move. Okay. And I will second that motion. Uh any discussion on the um the streets or the phase four of streets? Did would they meet our approvals? Yeah,

they're substantially in compliance with with our requirements. All right. Yeah, substantially. Okay. Well, I mean, there could be something hidden that we can't see, right? Okay. No. All right. Um, Director F, did you have anything to No, I will I will note that uh just for for reference that this is the last section to be approved in Durham Farm. So, all the other sections have been approved and this will make the very last last one. Oh, okay. Well, that's great. It's 34B, right? Yeah. 34B. 35B. 35B. Yes. We've already done 34B. You're right. Okay. Mayor, do you have anything on this? I don't. Appreciate it. All right. Jesse, how about yourself?

No, sir. Looks good. Timothy, anything for you, brother? All's good.

All right. Okay. Here we go. Uh hearing uh since there's no other further discussion on this, we'll go ahead. Uh, all in favor of resolution 202609 is accepting the dedication of the completed streets in Durham Farms phase 4 section 35B in Hendersonville, Tennessee, Center County, Tennessee. Signify by saying I I all oppose. It passes unanimously. And now we have on uh first reading uh our last resolution is 2026-10 which is a resolution of the city of Hendersonville authorizing a city monument signs within the city limits and I'll need a motion. Uh so moved.

Okay. And I'll second them for discussion. And so are you is everybody ready to discuss it because I don't Could I can I throw out something real quick? Yes, sir. By all means. So, we probably should have gone on a field a field trip down the hallway uh because we have a model of this in in planning. Yeah.

Uh that that Timothy put up. Um and it's it's pretty cool uh to see it. Um to me, this falls in with what we're trying to do on West Main Street in the older part of town is want people to know, especially if they're coming from Davidson County, you're in Hendersonville now. Uh that's why that's why the trees were planted there years ago. That's why we're doing sidewalk work. That's why we're doing more landscaping there. Um, we hear from police officers all the time that the criminals that come in from Davidson County, they know not to come to Hendersonville. We want to tell them where Hendersonville is. Uh, at the same time, for for a little while, uh, the city ignored that part of town, moved the library out of there, moved city hall out of there, um, spent a lot of infrastructure on other parts of the town. It's time that we focus on that part of town. If we expect people and business to reinvest in the older parts of town, we've got to reinvest in older parts of town. Um, it's not just about a welcome sign. It's what we're saying that we care about this area of Hendersonville and it's not Davidson County. It's not Madison. Uh we have money in the budget for what we think the estimated cost is. If it's lower than lower than that, we get to save some. If the if the bid is higher than that, then we'll have to come back. Uh but we hope that we've gotten the budget. We'll we'll cover it. Okay. Um yeah, is is I I seen I think that I walked down there. Is it um There it is. Never mind. We we it's in exhibit A. So, um I was going to look at that right quick.

Oh, one more thing I should explain is that um Capital Projects looked at this. Am I right? That's correct. Okay. Okay. Oh, okay. Yeah. And the reason that we're here is because T dot said that they would feel more comfortable with the resolution from the city. Sure. Um it's already in the budget. Capital Projects looked at it. Um but T dot said that that they felt like a resolution was in order. So, planned to look at it, too. Yes, it is. And they they approved it. Yes. Yeah. I don't know if they can see this or not, but that's what it looks like right here. That's it.

Okay. So, um I think it's really nice and I think you're exactly right about that area of town. Um I know that uh wards three and two and of course a lot of people that go into one as well as the whole city will be appreciative of that. Um when will they start on that mayor? You know we have to go for bids. Is that Yeah, designed and advertised. Is there a possibility we could start before the end of the fiscal year? Probably not on the construction stretch.

Okay. Tim Timothy's been working on it uh uh and taking the lead on it. Uh as far as the timeline, we're actually in the process right now of u there's several things with T dot and with what they're going to need, whether they need engineered drawings before we go out to bid or you know that type of thing. This element tonight, this is one of the two things that the that they need uh moving forward with permitting. So, it's going to kind of depend. Uh but we're uh we're anticipating this week we're going to come up with a very aggressive construction schedule. So I don't I don't know that that'll be done before the end of fiscal year. Right.

Certainly we would certainly we'll work with uh finance to secure everything we can uh within the budgeted funds that we have for the Westlake area uh for this uh and uh if we need to carry those over as well. So securing those through POS before the end of the year uh fiscal year and then also carrying that over. So that's kind of what we're what we're looking at.

There are uh several or many T dot departments that this has to go through local local departments then it gets escalated to the regional and they look at the initial plans and then they do an approval and they add final plan. So it's a lot of T dot uh about the T dot that has to happen. We don't know what their schedule is. Okay.

And and this is a significant structure. So that's you know there's cost to engineering you know because it's a significantly tall structure. Uh that makes a pretty strong strong statement. Uh but I wanted to mention too is uh this is not a one-off. Uh we're looking to utilize the planning and designing uh for this particular monument uh to be duplicated in different parts of the city the different entry points. So we're looking to to utilize the same same structure uh in the come in the in the next few years as well. Can I say one more thing one more time? Yeah.

Um we do uh we do need to try to get this out. It is on it is on the agenda. So, if you all consider that in your motion, I appreciate it. Okay. Wait two days. Oh, okay. Definitely. Yeah, we uh we'll do that. Okay. Um we were talking about this right here. Okay. Thank you. And uh it seems like that everyone's much in approval for it. I think so. Okay, good. All right. Um so, let's go ahead. Uh question. Oh, yes. Is is this going to be where the existing sign is now? No. Yes. Will the existing sign be taken down this is up?

We're not addressing that right now. Uh, you know, that would certainly be once we get this up. That's something we need to fully address. Removing the existing sign isn't necessarily a part of this phase of what we're looking at doing, but that's something that we need to we need to look at once we we get this down. So, is the existing sign at the city limits? No. I will this be closer to the city limits? Yeah. So, I would think that we do need to take down the other sign. Yeah. I would think that needs to be part of the staff's plan. Yeah. You know, uh to have one consistent sign. And is there going to be is there going to be landscape around it? Yes. Yes.

Timothy is doing the going to be the light in it. Uh, is it going to be bright enough where people can see it or is it going to be just a a a dull uh 20 W bulb? I would think it's going to be something in the middle. It's not going to be it's not going to be like a surge light. No, but it needs to be make sure of that.

Yeah. There you go. And part of what our plan is is, you know, uh we're being budget conscious as well, but also we're making a statement with this uh with this sign as you come into the city. Uh but, you know, as we get a little bit further into it, uh depending on budget constraints, it may be something where the potential for it to be lit will be there where we go ahead and have all the conduit, but it may have to be adended under phase that does that. We're hoping that's not the case, but we're just thinking ahead in case that's the the design that we're looking at doesn't have a light on it. It does. That will be lit. Yes. Okay.

But it it as we get into it and then get the final design and then we get the bids and those bids come in, then you know, we're going to have to look at what our available resources are to to tackle that. And so our initi our our initially yes we want to do the full the full thing. Uh but you know we're limited with the existing resources we have unless we come back you know to get a little bit more. So I just wanted to to kind of to kind of share the mayor come back to us. I mean let's do it right. If we're going to do it let's do it right. Let's put a light in it. Let's let the light and not be a nightlight but something that right a beacon you know that people can see. So, okay, that's all the questions I have.

All right. We are also working with police department to determine if we can attach LPR cameras onto this location or if this location would be good for it. So, um if we bring power over to the area, it might be an opportunity for LPR camera as well. How will that how will the aesthetics look on that? Uh we either we could either attach or do it as a standalone. Uh but it would be we don't have any at that entry point to the city. So uh that are close to that entry point. So you could be welcomed to the city and if you have a stolen vehicle, you can the cops can welcome to the city right there. Give you a good welcome to Hendersonville. Yeah.

All right. Well, as long as it doesn't obstruct the beauty of it, you know, because that that's important uh for Hendersonville, especially that side of town. I think that's probably in W three or two. I'm not sure which ones it is. Yeah.

So, um, but and I agree with the mayor on this and I'm going to mention it tonight uh in a short public works report at the board. I promise you that uh that uh you know uh the beautifying that section of town and I really appreciate your thought on that because that is something that you know we we as alderman uh in that area have represented either that area over the years or even in wards one two and three. you know, they a lot of folks sometimes think that we forget about them on beautifying that section of town, but we we have been doing that and I appreciate you saying that with the sidewalk issue and the and the trees and things like that. So, we're trying to to do right, you know, do right by the folks that in our side of town and I appreciate that. All right. Is there any other further discussion on resolution 2026-10? Uh that is a resolution of the city of Hendersonville authorizing the city monument signs within the city uh limits and uh we recommend this being passed tonight um by the board of mayor and alder and being added to the uh agenda as well. Um hearing no discussion is everybody ready to vote? All in favor of resolution 2026-10 signify by saying I. I. All oppose. Passes. No. Uh, passes unanimously. No votes. No. No votes. Okay.

Now we are on to uh uh other agenda items and that is our trash collection. How did it go this this past month? Uh pretty good. I mean, it's it's generally remained flat over the last several months. I mean, you'll see a few spikes there, but you know, daily misses of of under 10. So, okay. Well, that's good. I mean, total of 88 in the reporting period.

Okay, good deal. Um I this I think I said last month I might have had two calls on that on the trash. They went right by and picked them up. um didn't even have to call city hall to document it. It was just it was very minuscule. I didn't have any this this time since their last one. I don't know if anybody else did, but I did not. I had zero. They just missed mine, but that's okay. I I reported it and they came out the next day. Yeah. I went through the portal and reported it and it worked.

Well, good. That's how it's supposed to work, right? Exactly. That's That's perfect. So, that did work. But as you can tell on the uh on the uh on the the the gr the grade or whatever you want to call it scaling it's our trash pickup has been real low and um you know that's that's always a good good sign on that. Okay. Any other discussion on the trash? Uh hearing none. Uh we we do need to talk about this a little bit because we're getting ready for the um rain and windy uh time of year and tornado time. But and that is storm debris removal update

and we just need a verbal update on that. They've been really good by the way. So, um, beginning of last week, we we released the the crew the the large trucks from working in the city. Uh, I think there was one that stuck around for a day or two after the the majority of them were released. Um and uh we're currently operating one city truck that's doing storm debris removal through the end of this week with monitoring so we can seek FEMA reimbursement, but generally it's uh we're kind of at the end of that storm cleanup. Okay.

From the ice storm, we had um just shy of 116,000 cubic yards of debris removed from the city. Wow. So, uh, the reduced volume on that so far is 24,000 cubic yards of wood chips. Um, there's probably still a little bit more to be done there. I think they'll be around for about another week or or so. Okay. Grind that all down. Do you know how that compares to Gallatin or or even Nashville? Do Do you have it? We don't I don't know. Yeah. Yeah.

Okay. I I know um just from what I've gathered from our FEMA coordinator and discussions is that Hendersonville was ahead of the curve on getting the removal done and taken care of. Yes. Um so kudos to the staff. Yeah. And uh costwise um on debris removal alone we hit just shy of $2 million. I think that's kind of about where we're going to stabilize. And then we had the monitoring costs on top of that which was roughly another 500,000 in monitoring costs.

So would you consider that maybe an underbudget type what we budgeted for? Would it be about the would it be right on time or is it under the budget or that we had or do you really can you say that? I think based on initial assessments and discussions um it's probably about right where we expected to be. Yeah. All right.

And we were actually able to negotiate a little bit with the vendor and they worked to drop their price for us. Uh we had a pre-negotiated price and they actually dropped it a little bit for us when they came into the city. So we just had some discussions about how we could be more efficient with it. And so Stephen did a great job on actually getting them to reduce an approved renegotiated price. They did a great job for us. We we we gave a great survey to them when we filled out their survey for the uh next RFP that they put in for, but um yeah, we thought it could go up maybe as high as 3 million. We thought it'd be around the 2 to 3 million, so it's kind of right in the middle. Okay.

We have a we have some available funds if we need to. Uh but it looks like we're going to finish about 500,000 under our total available funds we have for that cleanup. Well, that's that's excellent work to be, you know, right where, you know, we thought it would be, you know, instead of saying something, you know, astronomically wrong and then we got to go, well, you know, it's a little bit more than that than what we thought. So, I would much rather have, you know, what it is now, you know, we we nailed it right where it was, you know, what we thought it would be. So, that's good news on that. Um, I will say that th those guys really worked their hund their rears off their rear ends off. They really did. And um, you know, I watched them and and they'd get out there and they'd get all that stuff and they would like rake the um the uh debris up and put it in the the uh bend. And I just really appreciated what all they did. They did did a really good job. And um so our our crew when they start going out, you know, they're got they're going to have a fresh start pretty much. U I know some people I've driven in the ward have already put additional cuz it was a I'm telling you, you know, and yeah, I'm not kidding here. I guess I'm talking to people in public. The the trees were really really that we were hit pretty pretty bad. And um and I'm just so grateful uh to the mayor's administration and to the board of alderman also who anticipated perfectly on this uh because we anticipated it and it unfortunately turned out you know to be a bad one but we were ready for it and um so I'm very

proud of that that we were um so now we've gotten through with the storm debris removal. Yes, sir. Questions. Yes. Uh, so what about the FEMA process? Um, reimbursement.

It's lengthy, but the the fact that we used a a monitor that kind of knows what they're doing in this process and they're already set up to to take care of the the FEMA paperwork, it should go smooth for reimbursement. But they they documented everything that occurred along the way from the moment it got picked up to the moment it went to the debris management site to when it turns into chips and gets hauled off to the disposal site in Nashville. And that's that's all the documentation that FEMA is looking for, but I still think it's going to be like a two-year process, you know, to get

you know when we intend to file for that. Uh it will be soon since we're so we FEMA actually scheduled to come out here I believe it was this week or next week and we told them there's nothing to see. We've already cleaned up the city. So they've actually cancelled their visit out here. So we should be able to wrap up that's part of the process you have to go through. We should be able to wrap up our package pretty soon to send it to them. Uh we have someone who that's what they do a consultant that's what they do for a living. So, uh, it will be a very expedited I'm I'm sure we will be the first in the area to submit to them. And FEMA reimbures 75% of our costs. Traditionally, the state comes in and does 12 a.5%. So, there's 25% after FEMA and then traditionally the state comes in 12 a.5% and then 12.5%'s on us. Uh, but if we provide labor, which we have through our own crews working out there, that's counted towards our 12 and a half%. Good.

So hopefully we're in the in the 90 95th percentile for reimbursement on this and we will submit for everything that we can. Equipment, guys, we put generators out on the lights. All that is packaged up into our reimbursement for um the storm. It's not just the debris cleanup.

And an an a related question uh on the store. So, uh, mayor or staff, have we had any communication with, uh, the electric, Nashville electric, you know, have have have they reached out and have we shared with you? I mean, what what's the status of that?

So, we had a meeting with them last week following the same topics before is reliability, resiliency. Um we uh had a great conversation with their vice president operations and a little bit with the president also. Uh they're interested in in uh creating a more reliable system here. U but they're also interested in doing their whole service area. Uh so Jesse um is supposed to get back with them so they're so to provide them with some data so they can look and start get a a semi idea of you know what the engineering would look like. therefore what the cost would be. Uh but they still remind us that this has to be something that benefits NEES and that's going to be the basis for how much they're willing to spend on. Am I hitting that correctly, Jesse?

Yeah. And I think they're they are heavily focused on how they respond in the future and making the infrastructure more resilient. Some of the challenges they have with the trees and power lines and backyards. Um, so we we talked specific projects with them in Hendersonville and they're actually working on getting some schematics to us and how to underground in some areas. So I think they were very responsive to the mayor's request. So they're interested in some underground investing in some underground facilities.

Uh, they're not going to pay for all of it. That's very very clear. But they see a benefit in it and they're with the schematics that they can draw, they can eventually get it get to a point they can figure out how valuable it is to them. Do they have a map of where the concentration of power loss? I'm sure it was a peninsula, wasn't it? The peninsulas I mean do they have a do they have like a Hendersonville map of of where they're I'm sure they do. Major outages. Um, one of the reasons we want to focus on West Main Street though is because those are the lines that serve everybody, right? We do have some coming off of Saundersville uh substation. Uh,

but that's sort of where we're focused right now. Now, down the road, you know, a couple years from now, we'll start looking. Okay, what's the second phase? What's the third phase? What's the fourth phase? Okay. Thank you. I'll just make one other note regarding the debris removal. Um our our limb crews are starting to return to the normal limb route other than that one truck that's doing the debris removal through through the end of the week. So you know residents should expect the normal normal limb routes now. Okay. Okay. Normal routes are starting there. So they're starting back right now. Yes. Okay.

Yeah. Well, I can tell you if it's anything, I can tell you where the majority of the electricity went out was on the Indian Lakeite. Yeah. My phone calls. That's where they That's where they aerial tables and trees. Yeah. That's that's where it hit the hardest. And I think you know um wards one and two and probably three were the ones that really didn't I mean we the whole city got hit but they didn't get hit as hard especially the parts of the city that have newer neighborhoods which yes have underground power.

That's very true. So that's something to discuss at a at a future date. All right. Um, is that any anything else on the storm debris? What's the status of the legislature legislation on on NES?

So, a piece of there's an amendment to a caption bill might have been yesterday, I believe. So, uh, requiring that all all cities, not sure if it's cities and counties that have NES customers would have a seat on the board. There there are some problems with that because give you example, uh, Gallatton has 26 customers on NES. We have several thousand. Uh, Nashville has 400,000. Uh, so how do you equate a representative proportionally? Yeah, exactly. Um, but there is a bill filed. Um, and the conversations I have with James Dunn is that these sponsors know that there that there needs to be a little bit of give and take there. Um, but they continue to have conversations with NES. They continue to have conversations with uh with other carriers, but they also look at the possibility of allowing cities like us to to you know cities throughout the whole state to take those make it easier to take that equipment, take that infrastructure, start their own power company or um essentially give it to another nearby power adjacent power company to run. That's that's in the bill as well.

It's just file. That's all it is. So, Sar County has f uh I think the county has filed a resolution supporting Okay. Does Hendersonville need to do a resolution supporting a voice on the NES board? Um, we did one in 2004, but we should probably do it again. Yeah, I'd be glad to help sponsor that if if if I mean, I think the more the better, you know. Yeah, I appreciate you asking that because I was a sponsor of that bill in 2004. Yeah. Uh, so I I um I I think that we should uh we should probably do that. Did you get lanced? Actually, I think you and I were sponsor you and I were responses to that. Yes.

Well, y'all want to be the sponsors. That's fine. I just I just think that let's pile on a little here, you know, keep the momentum going. Yeah. And I've been very open with NES. Let me know that we want to work with them to put our power lines underground, but at the same time, we want to work with the state to make sure that we have some representation on the board. All right, Mike, you have anything to say on that one? No. You're for it? Yeah. Okay, good. I think it will be for

Yeah. Did you not? Casey, I wanted to ask you a question on the uh about the storm pickup because that's important to us. I mean, it really is and I don't want to uh you know, overlook some of the things that we've done uh with the the way that the website was set up. Did we have a lot of complaints or or is that in your purview of u uh you know public works fields those calls if they come in you know we did have some that would come in through the front and I would hear about those either they would be forwarded to me or they would let me know

but they weren't that bad. I think by and large early on we had a lot of questions around if we were picking up in the county or where their house fell or what the routes look like or when to expect that. But as soon as we directed people to the website and where to find it and then of course we did a really good video that we put out about the process and then I think we had two or three other updates that we put out publicly in addition to that. I don't think we had a lot. I I mean I know public works had some specific things where houses were missed. There were a couple instances related to power lines or things like that where they couldn't be picked up that we had to navigate through. But by and large I don't I don't think we had an exorbitant amount of complaints at all.

Good. And likewise, some of those trucks are so big they can't make it into the culde-sacs and actually turn around. So, you know, it had to be our smaller trucks that had to go into some of the the culde-sacs.

Well, we were prepared for it. We knew it was coming and so we you know, so just uh appreciate the effort that you um that you did for that as well as public works and you know, that's what that's what we're there for. So, hope I I like it when it I hate it when it's here, but I'm really excited that we're taking care of the business when it is here. All right. Is that all on storm? Uh, anybody else want to talk about storm uh removal update? Okay, hearing none, we'll move right along to the Drakekes Creek and stop 30 intersection project. Just a verbal update on that.

Yes. Uh, we've made progress on track tract nine, the cemetery. Um there's going to be a petition filed with the court for um acquisition of that that property uh through um condemnation or or whatever that is. Some drawing a blank on the the name, but essentially that's what it is. We have to file a petition. It'll be in place uh I I think it takes 30 or 45 days, something like that. And then we'll be issued a notice from the court saying we have rights to entry. So that should wrap up the right of way process for the project. Okay.

But that leaves the permitting still which we knew was going to be critical path. Um so we're we're still dealing with Army Corps and and Tekk for permitting and working our way and navigating through that and pushing that along as hard as we can. All right. Questions? We we did have preliminary discussions with the core and with T deck about this and so we're not springing it on them and and and uh hopefully we've greased the skids a little on that. I mean uh yeah environmental I mean didn't we do an environmental thing even before

some kind of there would have been an environmental document with the project. Yeah. But now we're asking for permits, correct? Yes. Okay. So, and I see that the utility district is got some pipes out there. They're getting ready to Yes. work on the the water, right? Correct. Okay. Any further discussion on that? All right. Um, moving right along, our uh uh verbal update on the light synchronization project.

The the bid opening for that project is next week. So hopefully we'll we'll get some competitive bids on that. Any yet bids? We've been receiving questions. Okay. But yeah, I don't know specific. might be that might be a little early to to submit a bid for that, but yeah, bid opening will be next week. That's exciting. Yes. Um finally can see the light at the end of the tunnel on that thing. So, yes, synchronized. Amen, brother. Yeah, that's right. All right. I've got a question.

Yes. Uh um are are we tracking the traffic that's on Main Street leading up to Old Shackle Island? where everybody's turning left getting onto Main Street because it was backed up from there all the way towards Madison. It was like a parking lot. Yes. We've um that that So you're talking from the construction project back. Yes. Um

the life cycle is about half as long as it needs to be. any part of part of the issue with that is that it is under construction. So, our loops like the detection has been eliminated and we're kind of having to unfortunately suffer through the construction process. But once once construction is complete and and the new signal system is in, it'll have it'll have updated detection um and be synchronized with the rest of the system. Nice. So, uh, I I do know Chris monitors it as much as he can and and tries to tweak with the timings as he can, but, um, really the construction there is a is a hindrance. It is what it is, unfortunately. Yeah. All right.

We kind of knew. I mean, that's a good question to ask because I get a lot of, you know, uh, calls on about the traffic, you know, and, um, you know, it's like sometimes the traffic's really good and then sometimes it and that's because the construction is what it is, you know, and and that and that's the pain of fixing something that we know we need to fix, but once it's fixed, I have no doubt that it's not going to be the problems that we've had there, you know, and it'll resolve itself. So, and we've been want to fix that intersection. That's exactly right. For a long time. And so, that's just the, you know,

you could also have an incident on on Vietnam vets that just throws everything off, too. You know, people displace themselves on Main Street. That throws everything. You know, that could that could have happened. Yeah. Yeah. Cuz ways took me up Gallatin Road all the way through Madison to to Main Street. I was like, that's a weird route. Okay. There's that. I bet there was some kind of fender bender or something on on the interstate to make it that bad. That's But we have we have a control in in this office that we can control the timing of the lights. Correct. I mean, we ran fiber between the lights and we have a controller here. So,

we have a monitoring system so can see what's going on in the system as a whole. and yeah and and and part of this this next phase of the project will put in new detection that that gives him some better analytics as well. So can he see from here the traffic that was I don't know I don't know if it gets down to that level of detail and we don't have cameras I can tell you that. Um, okay. Yeah, but he'll be able he be able to tell what the traffic is like without, you know, actually seeing it or

That's a good question. You're talking with the new system with the new new detection. Uh, I I would have to ask Chris on that one. Well, just ask him about it. you know, we're not gonna get mad at him or they just ask the question, you know, if he can. And we're happy to have a traffic engineer on staff.

Exactly. We're very very much so. All right. Um, so that's great news about the bid opening for uh the synchronization project uh number. So, now we're on to the discussion for the 2027 uh7 operating budget of public works. I'll go ahead and um leave this. This is PowerPoint for you guys if you want to look at it. I'm going to go through it on the screen here as well. I do want to remind everyone that this is draft. So, undoubtedly we'll have some changes to it. I was just made aware of a change just a couple hours ago that I want to inform you on. Uh, but this is the operating budget. So, the operating budget is the part of the budget that's recurring year-over-year. This is what we uh use to pay salaries, keep the lights on. This is not the budget for one-time projects. So, we'll do projects at a later date, but right now what we are considering is just the operating budget.

All right? So we already did a workshop on revenues. So we have not adjusted those revenues from what we originally presented at the Bulma workshop. So they've stayed static. Uh the budget uh when we made this was balanced. Um here is what we had to do to balance it. There is no paving in the operating budget. Okay. So traditionally we've placed paving in the operating budget. We do not have the room to do that. So that's in the PIP fund. And there's no police vehicles in the operating budget. That is also we could not get the the budget to balance without that. So so give me a comparison. Last year how much paving did we have an operating budget?

Last year we also did no paving. Okay. So no change there. What about PD vehicles in the operating budget last the current fiscal year? I believe we did them out of the PIP fund last year as well too. So this is no change of what we of what we do doing this year. No. The reason we highlighted this was because last year was the first time we didn't do paving in the operating budget. And we've had some folks ask that these we know that we're going to have recurring PD vehicles and they should be in the operating budget but we just couldn't do it and balance the budget. So that's why we're drawing some attention to it. The next page has the

Why are P police vehicles in the operating budget? Like a firet truck is onetime purchase. Well, police vehicles we do about 20 a year. So, it's a recurring thing that we're going to do over and over again. Okay. Um so, we have, you know, we haveund over 150 uh in our police department. And so, that requires us to do about 20 vehicles a year. Not you keep them within the five year. Yes, sir. Well, you changed.

Yes, sir. So, we passed a resolution about replacement of fire and police vehicles. Does these impacts affect our ability to fulfill that resolution? We are with PD. Yeah, we're fulfilling the resolution through we're just using the PIP fund to do it rather than the general. Okay. Yes, sir.

Sorry. That's all I wanted to make sure. So the next page we have our revenues. This is what we went over in the Bulma workshop. Uh so you see we have almost a 2% uptick from what we previously budgeted. So 66 million for our operating revenues in fiscal year 27. And this is exactly what we've seen before. This is a piraphph showing the general fund. Of course, this is all the general fund and the revenue sources. And I think the story of this is it's pretty obvious that property tax and sales tax are what we rely on. All the other sources of revenue are very minimal compared to what we get in sales tax and property tax. So over 80% of the revenue is just from those two buckets. Um so so the actuals for 25 and the revenues are 65 million 364 correct

the operating operating revenues. Yeah. Yes sir. And so we are projecting 66 million 63,000 right. Yes sir. So Oh, uh, that is an increase in revenues of less than a million dollars. Am I adding that right? Yes, sir. Okay. So, it says at the bottom increase original budget 1.257 million. What am I missing? That is from So, the far column is fiscal year 25. Yes.

And we're comparing from fiscal year 26. We're throwing fiscal year 25 in for context, but fiscal year 26 budget. So it says fiscal year 26 original budget to fiscal year 27 budget. So if you look at the second column over here, it's 64.8 million. So that's where that basically 2% increase is getting compared to. It's not getting getting compared to the 65.3 million. It's getting compared to the 64.8 million. Okay.

Okay. Thank you. Yeah. So, all I should have I should have stated that all these will be comparing to where we started the original fiscal year 26 budget. We throw the fiscal year 25 actuals in there for some history. Gotcha. Thank you. Well, it's good for actual and comparison too of what we what we paid or what was distributed now as opposed to, you know, what what we're predicting the future to be. Yes, sir. You know, as we've spoken before, we want to be somewhat conservative with these numbers. Hopefully, we exceed our revenue projections, but we don't want to get out over our skis, so to speak. So, we're somewhat conservative with these projections.

So, you're promising over.

That's right. Uh, so general fund operating expenditures just gives us by department. Uh so again we see uh about almost a 2% increase at about $66 million for our general fund operating expenditures. These are all of our different departments. This is a pigraph of the general fund budgeted expenditures by department. I think the story here is you know we're we're really heavy uh with public safety. So you can see that we put our money uh into public safety with police being 31% of the budget, fire being 25% of the budget. So almost 60% of the budgets, police and fire. Our trash disposal is 10%. I mean there's a lot of just non-negotiables in here. Um you know after that central services and parks and public works kind of make up the biggest chunks, but it's mostly police and fire. of public safety. This piraphph here shows the salary in benefits from the general fund. Kind of the same story. You can see that the bulk of where we're putting our dollars is is public safety, police, and fire. Between um you almost 19 million for police and almost 16 million for fire. Um all the other departments are you know rather small compared to police and fire. So this is salary and benefit by department

73%. Yes sir. 73%. So threequarters of the budget for salary and benefits is police of fire. So that's our kind of our big bucket. That's pretty standard for

uh this next pigraph is the general fund operating budget by type. So we we break it into salaries and benefits, operations, assets, then we have some very small amount of debt and then community contributions. So again kind of the story here is salaries and benefits 71% and that's primarily composed of buyer very little for assets and debt service debt is very very low and very low for community contributions as well. Uh like we discussed before, the general fund operating budget priorities were low property taxes. So this does not propose an increase in property tax. It keeps property tax where it was at. Um when we put this together, it's a balanced operating budget. So that's when our recurring expenses, our operating budget, uh can be met with recurring revenues. Uh and then also debt reduction. We're continuing to reduce debt. So this budget year has almost 2 million less in outstanding debt. So we'll have about 1 million less in payments, but we have about 2 million less in outstanding debt when we compare ourselves to last year.

That's pretty good. I mean, honestly, like I'd like to see that. Yeah, I'd like to see that compared with other peer cities. Oh yeah, for sure. I think we would be way under debt. I agree with you. Compared to other peer cities. I think we've asked that in. Okay.

Yes, sir. Uh so the next graph here is showing our total outstanding debt on fiscal year 26. That's the column on the left. Fiscal year 27 is the column on the right. Uh the principal is the kind of blue shade and then that I don't know peach shade is the interest. So you can see it drops significantly for fiscal year 27 both in the principal and the interest. So really good as far as debt reduction goes for the city. Staffing considerations. So in the budget it's a 2.8% cost of living adjustment, what we call a COLA. Yeah.

This matches the 26 social security CPI. So that is baked in to all the employee all the positions pay which then that that calculates into the pension pay Medicare taxes all those types of things that are associated with pay. So there's been a 2.8% cost of living boost. Uh we did put in 25,000 in central services for unanticipated retirements. Um there was just a little bit of uh money. We you know we had some discussion about putting some money into there for unanticipated retirements. Uh we h we reviewed who the balances on the books and we feel this is actually a a good number um between fire and police there will be some vacancies to absorb some of it within the regular budget but then there's also a little piece central services for unanticipated retirements. Uh and then just as a note we will be providing the org chart in the budget document which shows you every position the number of positions for every department. So we know exactly how many positions are allocated for the city. There's no additional positions uh in this draft budget

being added. Correct. So the size of government will stay the same as far as employ number of employee. Yes sir. Full-time employees. Yes sir. Yes. This is full-time employees.

Yes. Full-time employees. Okay. where we ended up. This is the what it kind of boils down to. Our revenues are just over 66 million. Expenditures are just over 66 million, but it leaves us a surplus of $24,000, which is uh I think a couple million dollar better than when we started with just collecting uh requests from department heads and going through uh what everyone wish list wanted to have. Uh so we paired it down. It was, I think, maybe a little over $3 million in the red. Um, so when we put this budget together, we're about, you know, almost $25,000 to the positive. We did just get noticed today, I just got noticed today that the city's pension contribution that we pay monthly to TCRS, uh, which is a requirement of TCRS, the the percentage that they're requiring the city to pay is increased.

Um, they typically increase those, I think, on two-year cycles. So, we are currently at 14, I believe, 14.64%. 64% is what we contribute. So if an employee earns $100, then we contribute $14.64 to the to TCRS. Uh they've raised that for our city to over 17%. Ouch.

Which, uh I did a very quick calculation before I walked in here because I just got notice of it. I think was about $800,000, maybe just shy of $800,000. So the surplus that we see of $24,000 is effectively $750,000 if that calculation that I did is correct because we are required um to fund our TCS our pension program at that minimum rate that we can. So there won't be a surplus. No, sir.

And I just got the I mean, we printed these a couple days ago. I just got the update from TCRS three hours ago. So, I want you to be aware. I don't want to tell you we're having a surplus. Oh, yeah. Tomorrow send you an email that says actually we're not going. I was going to ask you, are you going to notify the board of Bererman tonight of this under under your report or are you going to hold off on it? I probably won't under my report tonight because I'm not going to go over this with them. Now, our finance director is in finance going over the budget, too. So, I'm sure she is mentioning it as well. We just had it split up. We have two committee meetings going on. All right. Uh but we are going to have to put this into the budget and we will send notice out to Bulma. I don't know that we'll do it tonight.

So, we're going to have to cut more places in the operating budget to make a balanced budget. We're going to have to do that. And we we were planning to look at revenues again as we got another month or two of revenues in uh because there's a possibility that we could increase the revenue projections as well. So we'll have we're going to look at both. And whether this came in or not, we were going to look at revenue projections to see if we can chew them up better. So if revenue projections don't come up, yes, we will have to cut if we want to balance the budget. We will have to cut 3/4 of a million. If we don't want to increase taxes, we'll have to we'll have to cut. So, let me ask you on staffing considerations. I see the cost of living. What about step races

that is included? Yes. Merit raises are included. Yes. Okay. All right. So, that's kind of big picture overview of the budget. Okay. For the city as a whole. All right. And so, we're also going to go over uh we included two departments in here. We don't have time to go through all departments and we're not going to spend a lot of time line by line, but we did include public works department budget in here.

Yeah. and parks department budget in here as well. Um, so the way that this sheet works is if you look at uh row 16, that's going to total up salaries and benefits. So the total uh salaries and benefits for public works, you can see in the third column, which is the fiscal year 26 original budget to the fiscal year 27 budget, uh, is accounting for COLA in the COLA increases. um the staffing at full capacity. And so we're at 2.55 million for um salaries and benefits for public works for fiscal year 27. And then if you look at uh rows 17 down to 30, this is the operations p piece of the budget. Um there's really no surprises here. Steven has done an excellent job in keeping his budget as tight as possible. You will see a reduction in street lighting on 24. you know, we're going to do an LED conversion, right?

So, we did anticipate for street lighting to come down. We may still adjust that number. We want to get a little better estimates from um our vendor on completion dates because depending on when they're completed, it will be depend on we will it will potentially change that number. Um the next page here just kind of totals everything up and we have an increase for public works. Is this right? 12% increase over the previous year. Uh yeah, that is because you know uh we did a reduction in the machinery and equipment. So the assets portion at the bottom actually has a reduction from what we did in fiscal year 26 and as well as operations total. So if you look at fiscal year 26 for operations total as 1.2 where it's about 1.1 for fiscal year 27. So this budget essentially as a whole has remained almost flat. It doesn't include, you know, what we talked about as far as colas for employees, but some of these other

So, let me ask you this. When is our next uh workshop, budget workshop for the board of alderman? Do you know, right off hand? We have it. We have it on a schedule. Let me see. Might be slide up here. I don't have the date. April 22. I'm sorry. I You answered my question already. Yes, sir. Okay. So, you guys don't use computers? That's my budget. Yeah. So we we centralized that's zero. Every department used to buy their own computers. We just do a lot of pan in that right. That's how we go. We centralize it to it. So we're all getting the same equipment and so we have it on a cycle. So just like our police equipment. Yeah.

We have a cycle for a rotation for our computers and it handles all is much smoother with it handling it. Fancy. Yeah. Thank you. Yes sir. Makes sense. Um, you know, I think if we let me see if I can go back here. You want to go backwards? Yes, if you can go back one. Let's go to

Let's No, go let's see. Go forward one, please. Okay. Right here. If you look at um row 48, this is where we paid. So, in fiscal year 25, we had 3.2 million. Is is your right, Mr. Robertson? In fiscal year 26, we went down to zero. and fiscal year 270. So that's a big change for the public works department. So that's that's the PIP fund where we you know PIP was for paving. So paving is coming out of of So we'll also have street paid funds for pay as well. Yes. About a million is what we usually run for there may Yes sir. So paving is the paving budget going to be less than it was.

I I don't think that the mayor wants to propose much of a difference. Um, so, okay, there may be a one-time backlog to uh or a backlog project and non-recurring to do some paving. Well, that's what we did last time. We don't have much nonrecurring revenues in by the numbers that at the first workshop. I mean, we were we were about a million dollars, weren't we?

Um, I think we might have a little bit more than that, but there's not a lot. Yeah, there's not a lot of room. So, um, if we keep the numbers, well, we are going to have to do that to keep the numbers at what they were last year. All right, department budgets. This is for disposal. So, this is our trash service. Both our tipping fees, that's what we pay at the transfer station, and our pickup fees, which is what we pay Waste Pro. Have about a 2% increase overall on this. This kind of what we expected. So, we're we're sitting around $6.5 million to collect trash, to dump the trash, and to do uh brush grinding.

Any questions on that? Pretty standard. Uh parks department. Um you know, there's not a lot really stands out in the parks department either. It is not a huge increase. I think if you look in electric, which is line 21, we've also decreased electricity here, because we have more LED lights in the parks as well. So, that's a good thing for our budget. These LED lights actually help our budget out uh in future years. There's a there's a little bit of an uptick for repair of uh repair and maintenance of ground improvements. Uh but a lot of the operational side of things is is relatively flat. um assets, machinery and equipment. There's none in fiscal year 27. We've moved um some of that to the pit fund as well uh for parks. So overall u about 2.4% increase uh throughout their entire budget, which is less than $100,000 and that includes uh the cola that goes in and for staff as well. So that's the parks department budget. Both um you know relative no really no surprises and relatively similar as last year.

Well Jesse, where would we be without the pit fund? We would absolutely have to raise property tax significantly or we would want to buy police vehicles and we wouldn't be hiring those. We would be having a freezing hiring freeze. Yeah, no doubt about it. it rolls off after 10 years. Well, the citizens have to vote again whether to renew it. It's a has a sunset provision. Okay. That was part of the sales of it. I guess

it it was that was you know if if you recall uh Portland had just voted down a sales tax the sales tax increase and uh it so I mean I think that that was a strategy to try to get the public to support it that hey you know in 10 years if we if we don't use the money like we're supposed to you take it away from the city I fully expect them to renew it you We'll have to do a campaign to advocate for it, but it's really benefited the cities to be able to move forward. Absolutely.

The franchise fee, that's the utility thing that we added earlier this year, right? Yes, we have several franchise fees, but they they're combined. So, we have we get several franchise fees and they're combined, but for Petemont, yes, it will be in that franchise fee line. Okay. and the TRS going up to 17%. Um, does that make the bridge program more or less attractive? Less.

So, well, it makes it more it makes it more challenging to fund. So, we went basically from 14.5 to 17 a 2 and 12% increase. That bridge program requires another three and a half% for the public safety employees. So, you know, you get over you're over 20% contribution just for the pension. So, um it it makes it more challenging when our rate goes up because it just it's we we don't have a revenue to offset that. So, it's just an added expense. So, it's another hurdle. Okay.

Um so, kind of just some date here for workshop number two. That'll be April 27th here at city hall. We're going to talk about the new and continuing projects. So, this is operating budget. Uh we will talk about, you know, all kind of the the projects coming up. We will also talk about special revenue funds. So, we'll get into state street aid where we do some paving, storm water, drug fund, hotel, motel, and pit. Now, those funds are restricted called special revenue funds. The funds are restricted for what we can use. So, there's not a lot of discretion. They're usually very simple to go through. We don't go out and buy office furniture with storm water funds. We do storm water projects. storm water projects. Same with State Street Aid, the drug fund, hotel, motel. So, we'll go through all those, but those are pretty straightforward. And that that is it for the presentation.

You know what time the budget workshop's going to be in April? Set a time 5:00. Yeah. So, 6:00 here. Yeah. 6. Yeah. I don't know that we hopefully we get here. But you hadn't had a you hadn't set a date for the No, we we'll put an announcement out for that, but just as a heads up. Okay. All right. Are there any other operational revenue opportunities that we may be missing out on?

Well, we did pick up franchise fees last year. We maxed out hotel motel. Uh PIP is to the maximum amount. um you know, property tax is really the lever that boards have to pull. Um outside of that, uh we're going to look at being costneutral on our parks and recck programs. Um but that's rather insignificant. You know, when you look at that pie chart and you see that over 80% of its sales tax and property tax, all those other little pieces are are very small. Um, we've we've updated our our codes fees, we've updated our planning fees,

court fines,

we've updated court fines. So, we've we've tried to go through and hit as many of those areas as we can. I think we're going to have to revisit u, you know, parks fees just to make sure that we're breaking even, but that's just that's a very small amount. uh it is on our radar to pay attention to anything that we can you know potentially add but know the big discretion is property tax which you know this doesn't include a property tax so um I don't know if discussion will come up about you know a potentially a fee for for trash I know we've had those discussions in the past so we don't you know it's just we don't have a trash fee we have crash. So, um I don't know that might come up as a conversation. We just we thought we were in a pretty good place until we got news from TCRS today. So, we're going to have to do we're going to have to look at something because we're going to the mayor said we need to present a balanced budget. So, we're going to we're going to need to do that. Yeah.

So the the increase of the retirement system, is that a uniform increase or is that do they do they look at actual cost, you know, of Hendersonville and each each jurisdiction, they look at the actual cost and then fluctuate that or is that a is that is that a uniform increase on TCRs? It's done city by it's done agency by agency. So our increase is going to be different from Gallatin's increase. Um they have assumption rates that they're going to use for market return for mortality. I think that are going to be consistent across all agencies under their purview. Uh I think our our return rate is 6.75%. And that can fluctuate. Um so you know if they see that the market's doing really well and they want to assume you know the market rate of return is going to be a little higher that amount could come down next year or the year after that. Uh but they do uh each agency independent. So our rate increase is not necessarily going to be what any other agency's going to get. Now, a lot of agencies may be experiencing this because as the last couple years, we've had to really boost salaries and salaries feed into the pension system. So, it wouldn't surprise me if other cities have kind of a similar uptick in pension liability.

So, I've got a question for for Stephen. the storm water budget. Is there any operating funds that's going in to storm water expenses? In other words, does the revenue from the storm water fees that we all pay, do they cover the city's cost for storm water expenses? That's now because that that's a utility. We can't just willy-nilly increase storm water. It has to be based upon expenses in that category by I think by state law.

Correct. So that's why I asked that question you know is is there any you know okay

so there may be a little bit of we do charge some of um like Steven's time goes to storm water um you know question some of Trac's time goes to storm water because they spend their time on it.

Yes. You know, one of the things that we're going through right now is a cost allocation um for overhead within the city the department. So, uh we we traditionally have put it as a as a cost overhead or HR as a cost overhead. So, we may look at, you know, what that what that is for storm water and for these other funds like state street aid, but um we use most of the storm water fund um you know, mostly just for improvements. Now, we we may be able we can definitely justify I think a little bit more, but it's it's not a significant amount.

Okay. That that was I just had to ask that question. We we already do a liquor by the drink tax. Is that correct? We collect we we we receive some liquor a liquor tax. Yes, sir. Some areas in Nashville have an extra one that goes just to that area. I did not know that. I thought it was countywide. What's on top of it? Oh, so so Nashville has authority to put a a That's my next question.

Some of the neighborhood areas do it. So, um um like 12 South, that kind of area. Um German Town does it. Somebody put a tax upon the tax to do that. We thought about doing something like that. I haven't. No, sir. Um I'll go get a drink and I'll get the receipt and I'll show it to you and you can tell me if it's okay because I don't know whether our charter would allow this. I don't know that. I don't know. Yeah, that's a little I guess

legal question. I'll volunteer to go get a drink in Germantown and bring in the receipt. Now, liquor sales are, you know, they're not they're trending down. So, our collections have been down. They're not going up. So, yeah, they like That's right. That's Yeah. But yeah, we'll I'll look into that. see if that's an option for us. All right. Thank Thank you. That'll be interesting to see

to see whether they can do that. Okay. Uh is there anything right now? Uh I appreciate the the work and the effort that you put on. Um that is an elect as an elected official. This is always the hardest part um as being an alderman uh in in the city of Hendersonville, I believe, is is how we do this. and then a lot of the discussion and figuring out how we we take care of it. So I appreciate you all doing that and I know gentlemen and our work is just the beginning you know. So um again our next uh workshop is on this number two is on April 27th and we'll find out when our date the time is for that. Um, since there's no discussion on the operation budget at this time, uh, we'll go on to other business. Does anybody have any other business to discuss?

I'll mention one thing regarding that, the LED project since that came up in the budget. Um, that project is about 18 to 20% complete so far. It's kind of where we stand. I didn't I didn't put that as an agenda item, but perhaps I should have. So, I'm glad we're moving forward with it. Yep. 20%. That's good. When are they uh when are they actually getting completed with that email? Uh I would anticipate probably like midsummer. Okay. I mean they are they are moving pretty quickly but you know you know progress may not stay steady as it has.

Well already seeing an impact. Oh yeah. Uh, and where in the city have is that 18%. Is it on Main Street in Ward One? No. Um, I'm I'm trying to visualize the mapping on it. Uh, you'll have down kind of on the point uh on Indian Lake Peninsula, uh, Lake Terrace, like the the lower part of Lake Terrace. Um, I think there's been a fair amount done over um by um is it Jack Anderson School? that neighborhood over there. Uh I think Windrest has been done. Um Okay. All right. I just

um Savely off of Savely there's there's been a fair amount. So Okay. Yeah, it's kind of been dispersed around the city though. They're not just moving in spot. I keep chipping away. All right. One thing I do want to say and I and I want to get with uh with you on this because I don't have it in front of me, but uh I have a couple of sidewalk issues that I need to discuss with you. Okay.

Um but we don't have to do it right now. Um over in um Maven Green, I guess that in fact that that's why why I want to hold off on that. I need to talk to Alderman Sassy about because that's in his district and I try not to go uh into people's I've never done this. I always notify them if I've been asked to look it, you know, because I want them to have the opportunity to either go by there and look at it. Um, and I don't, you know, it's I don't want them to think I'm trying to, you know, drink their Kool-Aid, you know, drink the Kool-Aid, you know, on them what when they should know about it because I've I've always felt that way for years to let them know when I'm coming into their ward because I always like them I always want to know people come in our ward because we got guns ready for them if they, you know, I'm just teasing on that part, but we do like to know. you know, the alderman need to like to know that. Okay. So, uh so I'll get with public works on that um in the next couple of weeks.

Um all right. I guess that's the only only thing that I have um for Ward One at this or just other agenda items within the city. Um glad we're doing the traffic. You know, we're trying to relieve that and and I think that's probably a priority with the summer coming. Oh, I do want to say uh which I'll say tonight just real briefly that uh you know people need to be prepared for the the weather coming. I know you know I mean we've got had a couple of good days and I think we're going to be having almost a week worth of nice weather but the wolf is at the door. It's all for them.

Yeah. So, I want people to be prepared for that for coming because we hadn't had the rain and the thunder and the tornadoes and stuff, but that's coming. The wind. So, that's coming. All right. Anything else? When will the red light at Maple be operating? Maple Row. Yes, it it is operational now. Yes, it is. Yep. Well, today it was blinking. Uh, this morning it was correct.

Yes, this morning. It was uh probably midm morning they got it operational. So there there was an issue with the detector. It needed like a firmware update and some chip inside of it or something. Okay. So they pulled that out, put a different one in and it's operational now. I just want to say um I think you're doing a great job stepping into your new role. I mean you by fire with the ice storm. You really did a great job. I appreciate appreciate you. I'm trying. Well, you're doing a good job, man. Hang in there, you know.

So, um we appreciate everything that public works has done for us and um really excited about the opportunities that we have to to go forward in public works with all our work. Um you've done a remarkable job. So is there any other discussion on on any uh past agenda items hearing? None. I just need a motion to adjourn. Motion second. Okay. has been proper.