Board of Aldermen - Regular Meeting

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

You're stuck with me. We've got the mayor on vacation, so I'm acting as mayor pro temp tonight. So Pam, could you do a roll call?

Mayor Kime, older woman Dobbs. Here. Alderman Fahey? Here. Alderman Donovan? Here. Alderman Huey? Here. Alderman Eidman? Here. Alderman Ross? Here. Alderman Prince? Here. Alderman Steiger?

Here.

We have a quorum.

Move to the approval of the agenda.

Motion to approve. Second.

All those in favor? Aye. Excellent. We'll move on to presentations and awards, and I don't think we have any. Okay, we're cruising. Personal appearances, I don't think we have any of those. No, sir. So move to city administrator's report.

You've got an updated report in front of you. I just want to go over a few of those items. Bowman's began work early this week, Monday, milling. They have milled and now paved this week. One, two, three, four, five streets. And they are done with the first phase this week. Jokers continues to work on the northern half, I guess, of laying our water line they actually came over to the i'm going to call it the southern or eastern half today but they still have to do two tie-ins on the northern half uh so that work continues and then our crew is working on sixth street uh i apologize in the next line down your report had said north fifth but it's north sixth they started last week i had to pull off to help some other to do some other jobs and this week Well, they've got about 60 foot left to lay, you said. 40 foot left to lay and then they'll do the tie-in at Washington and wait for the tests and then do the service lines probably the following week. City offices will be closed next Friday, July 3rd for the Independence Day holiday. If you jump down to number five, posted the residential trash service contract survey on Monday. It's also posted out there where the agendas are. If anybody wants to scan the QR code, take it. I sent it to you all. It's also on our website and Facebook page. Then you've got some updates there. I am going to go over number seven. New signs were installed at the brush site. If you haven't been by, the cameras are not installed yet. Will be installed next week. Then we'll have monitoring via camera and via police patrol. And then something that's not on there but I wanted to share with you, it was just yesterday, I spoke with the Special Road District. They are agreed to raise the portion of their funds that they commit to city roads from 25 to 30, and then we'll talk about 35 in a year. And we're going to work with, actually, Mr. Bishop is going to draft an agreement because we have someone who wants to come into the city that lives on one of their roads but abuts the city. So we'll get that done, and they're going to approve that. That will remain their road, even though it will be in the city limits. They're okay with that also.

That's all I have. So the agreement we made on the piece of equipment for the two 25,000s will get the difference? No, that was last year and this year.

Right. That's done. So next year they've committed to 30,000. Right. Yes, sir.

What does the Missouri Department of Natural Resources have to do with consumer confidence?

That's a water report. How confident we are in the water? It's just what they named the report. Every year they put out a report on the water. We have to post that by July 1st, which it is now posted.

It goes in the post office and we post it here? Post it outside here in the foyer.

Are we confident about our water? We are confident.

It's wet. Dave, I want to comment on two with the guys on six. I want to say I've been around a lot of construction work and they're doing a very professional job. Very happy with their work. Very efficient. Thank you.

No discussion on number six?

McBride signed an agreement. Well, I have verbal confirmation. They signed an agreement with MLC yesterday. That was their last hurdle. I expect a release of contingencies letter from them on Monday, so the due date for that is the 30th. Expect it on the 29th. Then we have to close within 30 days. My expectation would be that they would close right at 30 days because, of course, that will then give them the maximum amount of time to build out the subdivision. But that's my expectation.

Excellent news. Anything else for CA? We will move on to staff reports. Chief?

Good evening, everyone. I believe everybody should have a copy of my report, plus a couple extra little pieces of paper I threw up there. Just touch with the report real quick. We were pretty busy. You can see the 287G, we have nothing to report on that. The canines have been super busy. Between the both of them, there's been 32 deployments. So they've been working a lot. A couple of drug seizures with that. training. We're still brewing with the training. We're up on digital now with our radios. Everything's up to date. Any questions on the report before I go into the other forms?

No? Okay.

So I gave everybody a copy of, there's two forms. One is the breakdown of the PD as far as the past three years of what we've done with arrests, reports, calls, everything like that. The reason I'm showing you guys all this, there's a resolution I have put up here to hopefully get the board's approval to apply for a COPS grant to add an additional officer to the PD. The COPS grant covers 75% of their salary, and we're responsible for 25% for three years. In that three years, it's going to give us another officer. We can reapply for it. I spoke with another agency that's been doing it for eight years. So I'm keeping the salary moving. The reason I'm wanting this other person, if you can look, the one with the years and everything on it, I pulled three years worth of stats. Usually when I do like the MODOC grants and stuff like that, I got pulled three years. You can tell every year we're going up in everything. Since I took over December of 24, so 2025 was my first year here with everybody. You can see our drug arrests have increased. Proactivities increased. Just everything all around. Part of this is the PD has just the right amount of people right now. So when we have someone that's sick or on vacation, we lose people. The past two months, we've had two officers on one squad injured. So that left one squad with two people. I stayed late one night, worked with them. We've had two people last week that were sick on the same squad. Then we're short. So this extra person is going to allow us to have someone float in the middle to fill in all these gaps. I try to make sure we can take every burden off the city as much as possible with grants. I think you guys are pretty aware I apply for a lot of grants. Since I've taken over, we've received over $225,000 worth of grants. That's money we've gotten back that did not come out of the city's pocket. Right now, I still have $120,000 sitting in a limbo waiting to see if we get approved. Everything from equipment, right now I've got one modot to pay a half-person salary right now and 75% of another vehicle. So I'm hoping to get this grant approved, and we're already chipping away at some of the salaries as it is. except call volume. The other page is a breakdown of an entry-level officer. We could have an entry-level or we might have someone that's a little experienced. You know, it just kind of depends on the interview process. Since I've taken over, I have a whole different process for everything. I want to make sure the officers get along, everybody works together. That's, you know, why we're going right now at a year fully staffed. I haven't lost anybody, so... This is a breakdown of what an entry-level officer gets with their retirement, their health insurance, everything. And the grant covers 75% of that, up to $125,000 for the three years. So if we get somebody that's a little more experienced, we're probably going to pay a little bit more. For the upfitting officer, we've already got extra radios that are already digital, so we don't have to worry about that expense. We've already got an extra body camera, so that covers that. We've got an extra pistol. So we've already got a lot of equipment already to outfit another officer. The only things we will need would be an extra dash camera and an extra rifle. Rifle we can get out of our budget that we have for the range and everything like that. I am open to any questions because I'm sure there might be some.

This particular person, because of this grant, are they required to be any special training or anything?

Be a certified police officer.

Sounds like a great deal.

So how many police officers do we have at this time?

Right now there's a total of 11 of us. That's Captain myself, Lieutenant Pollack, and my detective. And we try to help the road out as much as possible. Like I said, probably two weeks to I stay until 3 a.m. Work with the night shift guys. Just help bridge a gap. The detective tries to help as much as he can. He's super busy. He's been very backlogged on cases right now. So anytime I pull him away, we're dealing with sexual assault cases and everything else that's getting put on the back burner. So this will kind of help a lot of bridging. When we have people out and everything like that, we can move somebody.

It says you can reapply every three years. So every three years you're going to look at getting another officer.

No, it won't be add and extra. It'll be three years of trying to keep their salary paid through this grant, through the federal government.

It's a forgiveness. Okay. vehicles as far as for that officer? Do we have enough vehicles then for them?

We have vehicles right now. What would happen is we got one of the new vehicles, so we need another one to up it. Instead of surplusing one of them, we'd have to keep it. And then, like I said, the plan is I've been dealing with all these grants. I got another grant coming up. As soon as I find out what it is, there'll be another resolution for a vehicle on that grant.

So out of your budget, do you have the funds in your budget now then because of the grants? So for this year, it sounds like you have the funds, but we don't know about year two and year three of this grant.

For the grant?

Well, our matching part, the 25% or the 30%.

That would be figured into our budget for the 25% or whatever. The whole amount would be in the budget. Yeah.

And then the grant would be in the revenue.

Yes.

How does our police budget total as a percentage of the city's entire budget compare with comparable counts?

I'm not sure off the top of my head. I can tell you that the police department is currently under budget and Chief Halleck mentioned how much he's gotten in grants this year. That's in a big part due to that.

Well, three or four years ago when we did the salary study, it brought us in line with all the surroundings. Now, some of the surroundings have exceeded that since then, but I think we're pretty much competitive with a lot of the smaller towns. I agree. We're not over, that's for sure.

We definitely have the best equipment. That's going through grants and everything else to save the city money, obviously, so... That's part of why we kind of keep people. We've been very fortunate. I've had the same group here for a full year. So it's been a big, big help.

What do we need to do to proceed forward?

I'm going to go back to Alderman Fahey's question. I know water and sewer are going to be a pretty high dollar. I don't know the exact numbers. I don't know if Dave's figuring that out. But there's a lot of cost involved with water and sewer versus he's got a lot of salary on his side. But I don't know the exact numbers.

i did not factor in water and sewer enterprise funds so they basically pay for themselves police department is approximately you want a specific number i'll get back to you but approximately 22 of the general revenue budget and compared to other cities that's in the ballpark i don't know that answer but i would Venture, I guess, to yes, depending on, I mean, it's hard because, right, other cities offer trash service and other cities have a fire department. So that's 22% of this year's budget.

As far as police cars, is there a limit on how far a policeman can live away from San Genevieve?

Our policy is 35 miles.

They got to live within 35 miles.

Of the city.

How many live within the city?

I think it's just Pollack, I believe. Lieutenant Pollack is the only one that lives in the city. Everybody else is all around the outsides of it.

Going back to your budget then, so you have the funds in it this year. When will this be awarded?

So this has to be submitted by July, and I believe the funds are awarded October 1st, I believe. So the plan is, and there's a resolution, so that's why I brought it up, so I can go ahead and start answering some of your questions when you guys get to it. My plan is, that's why I brought it up here, so if I get the approval to apply, then I can apply, and then we'll get a notice of we received the funds or whatever, and then that's when we'd start posting and do our process of interviewing and everything like that.

So it's a $120,000 grant, so that's roughly $40,000 a year they will supplement towards that officer. So you've got to come up with the other $28,000 roughly for the rest of their... Yeah, and that's at entry level.

That's at entry level, yeah. Yes. That's if we get someone straight out of the academy.

So next year, you've got to find another $28,000 in your budget to make this extra officer work.

Yes.

And you feel confident that you're going to be able to?

I feel very confident as far as what we've been doing as far as getting the grants and saving quite a bit of money. Because I try to get most of our patrol cars on grants as it is already. And that's one of the biggest expenses that come out of ours.

Do you anticipate a savings on overtime?

Yep. We've actually been kind of doing some stuff with overtime. This year we kind of got a little bit of a hit because of some required training that came from our liability insurance company. We've already got different steps with some overtime stuff, which we've been doing right now. We'll be implementing it through some of the other events and stuff. We're going to see how it works out. But, yeah, I definitely keep an eye on the overtime because I don't like it.

I mean, with this additional officer, then it could offset some of the costs.

It can, yeah. You know, certain events, if we have to bring everybody out, obviously, you know, you've got that. But like I said, we've already been working on it, and I kind of spoke with Dave on some new changes I'm trying to do with some of these events to cut that cost down on the overtime.

So we need a motion or anything?

No, that's just me answering any questions before you guys get to it.

Any other questions for the Chief until we get to it? Thanks, Chief. Alliance Water Resources, Corey Littleson.

Good evening. I've got a copy of my report. Dave mentioned we had to pull off water line for a couple things. We had to replace a rotor at the wastewater plant on the, or bearing on the rotor, sorry, at the wastewater plant. That's fixed. It's up and going. And then we did a load of hot mix this week, seven and a half tons. Did some water line patching. And then a Our CO2 system at the water plant went down. All the parks are in except for the meter, which is due any day. So hopefully Monday we're putting that back together. We'll be back up and going.

I noticed, I was kind of hard on your boss at the last meeting about the amount of water loss. I noticed that 12% is down to 4.3% and stuff, so any idea?

A lot of that has to factor. People get bulk water for boring and everything. That is not metered. We don't know how much they're getting. They stop at City Hall, but we don't know. So we're putting meters on all the cities, water meters. Some of them are not metered. We're putting one at the shop and we are... Four spigots. Four spigots that are not metered. And the fire department, that water is...

So if they had a big... Chief has also agreed to give us those gallons every month.

Yeah, so when they're out fighting a fire or doing training, that is...

It can increase the water loss so that... Because water coming out of a hydrant is not metered. Correct.

Or even a fire hydrant that they fill the trucks up at, it's not metered.

Or flushing or... Correct. Right.

But flushing, we did flushing, so that is factored in an estimate, obviously. But, yeah, fire department can be a big one, especially if there's a lot of training, house fires or, you know, stuff like that.

I will share, Robert and I were at a training last week, and water came up, and there was a county commissioner up there, I believe, that said, you know, we stay under 20% water loss, and we're happy with that. This conversation came to me.

Right.

Yeah.

I just know now I can talk to your boss and stuff and feel.

Oh, yeah.

Are you staying for the work session? Yes. Any other questions for Court? Thanks. Thanks, Court. Public comments? Have any public comments? Okay. Move on to consent agenda.

Motion to approve.

Second.

All those in favor?

Aye.

Opposed? Passes. Let's move on to old business. Bill number 4731, an ordinance in the city of St. Genevieve, Missouri, authorizing the city administrator to execute a broker agreement with Lincoln Insurance. Second reading. Any questions on that? Call for a vote.

She approved. Second.

Just a second. Roll call vote.

Alderman Dobbs. Yes. Alderman Fahey. Yes. Alderman Donovan.

Yes.

Alderman Huey.

Yes.

Alderman Eidman. Yes. Alderman Ross.

Yes.

Alderman Prince. Yes. Alderman Steiger. Yes. And yes, zero no's. Bill number 4731 now becomes ordinance 4652.

That was all old business. Moving on to new business. Resolution 2026-40, a resolution of the City of St. Genevieve, Missouri, stating intent for the St. Genevieve Police Department to apply for a grant with a community-oriented policing services, COPS, hiring grant.

Motion to approve.

Second. All those in favor? Aye. Opposed? Motion passes. Resolution 2026-41, a resolution appointing Dan Schultz to the St. Genevieve Tourism Tax Commission. Dan is the general manager for Chateau St. Genevieve Winery. So it would be good to have a county representative on the tax commission. So it's an excellent choice. I'm glad he chose to volunteer.

Motion to approve.

Second. All those in favor? Aye. Opposed? Motion passes. Any other business before the board? Any other communication from the owner?

I had one thing. I've received several calls, and I think Sam has also, about unlicensed, license-expired cars parked on city streets. Hopefully we can make some end ways of getting some of those taken care of. I know there's some on St. Mary's Road. There's some on Jefferson and 2nd Street. There's a red vehicle that's been sitting there with no license plate.

I think there's one on North 3rd, too. I think there's one on North 3rd. Any good way for us to get that information to you, Chief?

Yeah, if people could either call me...

Do you want us to call you?

You can get a hold of me, and then I can make sure the officer's good or send me an email or something. But, yeah, if we know about it, we'll take care of it. Yeah, there's a little white one on, I think it's the port. There's some that they're already taking care of.

Well, that's why I don't know if they're in process. But I just know I've heard more about that in the last couple weeks.

Excellent. I've seen no other business. We will adjourn our regular business meeting.

I look for approval of agenda.

Motion to approve.

Second.

All those in favor? Aye. Opposed? Agenda passes. Moving on to business items. Sewer. System study, Missouri DNR Clean Water Engineering Report Grant, number one.

So, Mr. Mark Copatelli is here from Cochran to go over the sewer study. If you remember, this was a grant we got about 18 months ago, and this is the final product. Thanks, sir.

You look fast. Yeah, I'm just fast. No, don't be.

Whoa. We kind of speak together.

I'm going to go to the bathroom and slip out the back door and we're going to go through that.

Go ahead, sir.

Sure. So my name is Mark Optelia, as David said. I work with Cochran Engineering. You guys kind of alluded to it already, but you guys got a clean water engineering report grant. So the city hired Cochran to kind of go ahead and do an evaluation of the sanitary sewer collection system, kind of predominantly in regards to inflow and infiltration. A little bit of background for anyone that doesn't know inflow and infiltration is just kind of groundwater, rainwater, surface water that's getting into the sewer. It's not supposed to be there. It kind of causes havoc on the wastewater treatment plant. So this report was done kind of to give you guys an idea of where you can make improvements to reduce that amount of water getting in just to save some hassle on your wastewater treatment plant. So I handed out a kind of summary of the report. As you saw, Dave has the big version. This is a much smaller reduced kind of Quick readout of that so we can kind of go through this just point by point. If any questions just yell out at me and I can answer them as we go along. So a little bit of background. The city of St. Jen has about 5,000 people, 1,920 households. And based on kind of wastewater treatment flows that you guys submit to DNR, it's pretty apparent that after rain events you guys see pretty – influential amount of rain rainwater getting into the sanitary sewer system so city hired us to kind of do an evaluation of that this current wastewater treatment plant is designed to do about 700 000 gallons a day that's what it's treated designed to treat um based on wastewater treatment flows you guys see up to up to two million gallons sometimes so that's likely attributed to just older infrastructure you know st jen's pretty old so a lot of the infrastructure kind of goes in line with that um Looking at point three, the city has about 32.3 miles of gravity sewer main, 1.6 miles of forest main, about 600 manholes and eight lift stations. These ultimately convey all the flow down to a lift station down on Front Street, which then takes it over to the wastewater treatment plant. So review of the wastewater treatment plant flow records show that just wet weather events increase the flow a lot, kind of as we alluded to earlier. Typical dry weather flow, so we look at the flow during months that it doesn't rain much. And what we see is that you guys see about 475,000 gallons per day. That's in line with your actual permit, which states that you guys see about an actual flow of about 415,000. So that's about in line. Where you see the issues is after rain events, you get huge spikes up to 2.8 million gallons, and these can last for a couple of days. This is, like I said, attributed to rain, gets into the ground, seeps into the pipes, and gets into the system. Let's go to point seven. Kind of as part of this evaluation, we looked at all of your lift stations. We do that kind of to try to identify areas that are most likely contributing. You can look at the lift stations, see how often they run. If they run more during rain events, you know, hey, the stuff upstream of this lift station, that's probably a good indication that there's something going on there. Kind of based on our evaluation, your guys at lift stations, you probably can't see it too well there, but it's kind of on the outskirts of the town. We didn't see them running too much. They did run a little bit more when it rained, but just the flow attributed to that wasn't enough. So it didn't really narrow down actually the location of the actual I&I as much.

How many lift stations do we roughly have maybe?

You have eight total. So one of them is kind of a weird one. It's in the middle of town. It doesn't run too much. But yeah, there's eight lift stations. And then all of the flow eventually goes to lift station one. So if you look at flow data there, it's like after a rain event, a bunch of rain getting in, but it doesn't really narrow it down because everything goes there. um so kind of after do evaluating the stations to see if there's actual locations that we can narrow down what we did is looked at the manholes we did about inspection of about 150 manholes to kind of look and see where the most likely areas are we do that because you can kind of identify most likely areas older brick manholes they just have mortar joints water you can see it whenever it rains water's just pouring in through the sides and then clay piping as well on the ground they just have more more likely to get Cracks and break and there's more joints in them. So water can just seep in through the ground as well What we found is that about 40% of your guys's inspected manholes were brick and about 20% I think 25% of your actual sewer main from our inspection was clay pipe So those are the areas that we kind of say these are the areas that we're interested in these areas want to make improvements Let's see We also took a look at a previous report. You guys had had a I and I report done by I think Herner and Schifrin back in 2009. So we took that into account. I'm not sure what improvements the city's made from that report, but we looked at that, used that kind of as a basis of our evaluation as well. And we came up with this composite map here, which I think David's showing, which shows kind of the red lines and the purple lines are kind of the areas, the piping that is more likely to be influenced by an eye. The blue lines are the areas that were inspected that are precast or PVC, and these are just less likely. They're newer material, they're better constructed, so they don't see as much inflow. And then you can see little dots. I don't know if you can see it too well, but the blue dots are precast manholes. Again, those are less likely to get inflow. And the red dots are the brick manholes. Those are the areas that we're concerned with improving.

I just want to point out, you can see, I don't know, you might mark the top mark. You talked about the lift stations are kind of on the outer edges, and they didn't see a lot of proof of what, the 2.8 million? Because a lot of this red... is in the older part of town.

Yeah. And you see that pretty commonly. VCP, which is vitrified clay pipe, was used a lot in like the 60s and 40s and 50s. So any city that had a lot of infrastructure created before then sees a lot of clay and sees a lot of I&I. So this isn't an uncommon thing for you guys. Let's go to the next page. Based on our field evaluation, we kind of identified some priority areas of improvements. These include along north and south Kibori Creek. Typically, gravity sewer mains go along low-lying areas, eventually work their way down near creeks, and these are just the most susceptible areas to see water getting in. Groundwater's higher there. The manholes are... lower, so they're much more likely to get water in them. North and South Gaborie Creek are primary areas. Collection system north of North Gaborie Creek, that's up near Lahaye, Biltmore, North 4th Street, North Main Street, that's just older construction. So stuff up there is older clay pipe, predominantly brick manhole. That's in need of some sort of repair. And then there's additionally Valley Spring Branch and Pointe Bay Strive. Point Base Drive, we know you guys have had a little bit of some issues down there with surcharging and backups. That's actually not clay piping, but it is the stuff called truss piping. It's kind of a worse version of PVC. It's corrugated, and it's just much more susceptible to ion-ion inflow than typical PVC. So that's another area of concern along Point Base near the prison down to that little yellow line there, which is a creek running between St. Jude neighborhood and kind of the industrial area. I call that the Valley Spring Branch Tribute Area. That's older clay pipe there running right along a creek, so that's, again, likely to be impacted. In addition to kind of just older clay pipes and brick manholes, there were some newer precast manholes along St. Mary's Road. That's down in Flood Plain. We did manhole inspections along those. We observed a lot of groundwater just shooting in through the manhole joints. So that's an area in addition along South Gabori Creek. There's purple dots up there. Those are more precast manholes that we saw a lot of infiltration in as well. There was some CCTV done kind of look at the pipe condition along point base as well as during the Herner and Schifrin report they did some CCTV so we use that to kind of evaluate areas that would be good to improve as well. In addition to kind of fixing manholes and sewers, we recommend that the city look into doing some sort of smoke testing would be good, just trying to figure out how to get sump pumps, downspouts off the sewer. It can be kind of tricky. You kind of have to do more of an in-person evaluation to get those done, though. Based on talks with the city, they said that they intend to allocate approximately $150,000 a year. So we tried to budget yearly projects and roughly that ballpark, keep it kind of consistent so you could do a project every year. And we tried to lay it out for the next 20 years. So you guys got about 20 years of projects and $3.232 million worth of projects. This would replace approximately 31,700 linear feet, which is about 20% of the system, the actual sewer main. In addition, it would... do some sort of lining to 152 manholes, which is about 25% of the manholes in the system. So just based on that, based on kind of our evaluation, we came up with a prioritized list of improvements, which I have on the next page here, and we can kind of go through as well. i'll do this i can kind of expedite this a little bit but projects one two and three are all kind of along the point base area uh that's a from the prison basically down to towards the industrial area that's older truss pipe it's just kind of pork poor quality pipe we recommend lining that with cipp lining which is essentially like a polyurethane plastic lining you send it in manholes sewer hole and it lines the whole pipe so if there's any cracks they're no longer letting water in in addition for the majority of those manholes We recommend OBIC lining, which comes in and they paint the inside of the interior of the manhole and it just prevents any water from intruding through cracks in those as well. So those are those recommendations there. We prioritize those just based on kind of feedback from the city that I know it's kind of a hot area. In addition, we actually had done some flow testing there as well, which kind of verified that there was some inflow in that area. So we thought that that'd be a good idea to do that first. actually on project one um the city had indicated to us that there is a clay pipe going underneath the south glory creek north near south main street so that's kind of a good that's a really good project to do like i said clay pipes very susceptible breaking it's going under a creek so a lot of water there so we recommend doing that as well um So project four, I think I kind of alluded to it earlier, but it's that yellow line there, it's along that south valley spring branch tributary. That's just lining approximately 2,060 linear feet of 10 inch pipe and manholes basically from, I think it's highway 61 down to the St. Jude neighborhood. Project 5 is Market Street. That is just a bunch of older clay piping that would just be replacing, or not replacing, I'm sorry, lining that with CIPP piping and then doing OBIC lining to all the manholes along Market Street. Kind of everything east of 5th Street over to South Main Street, maybe? Is that the right name?

The brown, right?

Yeah, that brown one there. Is that Main Street there or 2nd Street? Main. Main Street. So, yeah, that's Project 5. Project 6 is along St. Mary's. That was what I talked about earlier with the precast manholes. A lot of water we saw coming in, so that would be OBIC lining those manholes to prevent that.

What's the difference between CIPP and OBIC?

So CIPP is specifically for the sewer main, the piping. Yeah. They put like a little robot in. It has a metal or a... polyurethane liner that goes, it gets pushed through the whole piping and it lines it. OBIC is more of a, they got some guys with spray paint cans, they come in and they spray it with that and it's just kind of a paint applied polyurethane liner. And that's good for manholes, they can just climb in them and do them pretty quickly.

We've got a couple stormwater projects coming up, or intentions to, will that help anything with I&I when we

So that would get applied to the brick manhole and just kind of create a boundary between the brick and the manhole preventing water getting in. And as far as stormwater projects, I mean for sure it could help if it diverts some water away from somewhere that is allowing infiltration. I can't specifically say if it'll help or not, but there's the potential for it. It is possible.

I have a question. Yes. I live on North 6th and I see that has the unexpected manholes there. That street is torn completely up right now that didn't work on it. And those manholes that are up there, we've been in them because we're up doing all of our sewers before the street deal. Those don't even have fitted manhole covers on them. They're just pieces of steel laid in the street.

Yeah, which road is this on?

North 6th. Okay. They're just plates of steel with angle irons on them to keep them in place. Yeah, well... Water runs straight in those like a funnel.

That's definitely a good recommendation. Just generally any manhole covers you see that are in poor condition like that are generally pretty good.

Is there something we can do while we've got the street torn up? We're going to do that next week. Yeah. Oh, you will do one? Yes, sir.

Okay. Okay.

I wasn't aware you were going to do that.

Okay.

Good job.

Okay, so following that St. Mary's Road, very similarly, South Gabori Creek is newer precast manholes. That'll just be that opaque lining applied to all those along that creek, which should help as well. Project 8 is North Gabori Creek sewer main. That's up kind of from... North Main Street down to the North 4th Street Bridge up La Haye Street. That runs right along North Cobord Creek. We recommend, that's older clay pipe. We recommend lining that with OBIC or CIPP and then doing OBIC lining to the manholes there. um number nine is uh north main street that's uh the kind of the western portion of uh i'm sorry north main street uh that's up there that's kind of located near floodplain older clay pipe um older brick manholes being located near floodplains typically you want to get those lined so that's that's why that's recommended uh similarly uh project 10 is north main street farther north up closer to the ball fields again older brick manhole clay pipe near the floodplains, just a good idea to line those. Project 11, La Haye, La Porte, and North 3rd Street, that's located right just east or west of North Main Street, those are older pipe. Actually, during the Hunter and Schifrin report, they had done some CCTV there, kind of identified some defects there, so we're just following up and making a recommendation to do some lining there. Project 12 is Market Street. That is just the western portion of Market Street. This is kind of a major sewer main running along. You get a lot of the flow from further west. That's older brick manholes, clay pipes, so lining that as well. Merchant Street, these are actually older clay pipes here as well. I think there might have been some sort of rehabilitation project because Merchant Street, Washington Street, and Jefferson Street, the eastern portions of them are all precast manholes, a little bit different than most of the stuff we saw downtown, which is majority brick manhole. So that project just is CIPP lining there. It does not include OVIC lining, but it's from, I think, 4th Street to Main Street there. Um, project 14 South fourth street and Serafin street. That's just older clay pipe brick manholes. Recommend lining that as well. A little bit less priority. It's a little bit higher elevation, but still a good area to look at. Um, 17, 18, or I'm sorry, 17 is a Biltmore street.

Or did I skip one there? I think I skipped a couple actually.

Um, project 15 is North fourth street and Washington street. Um, Older brick manholes, clay pipe. That kind of eastern part of Washington Street, we evaluated that as well because we know there's been a little bit of, typically there's some flooding there. That's actually pretty good condition manhole or sewer main there. It's precast. It's PVC. We inspected it after rain events. We didn't really notice any clear signs of I&I. So we didn't really necessarily feel there needed to be any improvements there. But once you get to, I think that's North 3rd or 4th Street, West of that, that's older clay and brick manhole. That's probably a good idea to do some there. North 4th Street, again, just the areas up north are predominantly old infrastructure. Line that. Manholes, line the clay pipe there. Biltmore, same thing. Just line that older material. Sorry, it's a bit repetitive, I know, but that's kind of how it goes. 18 is downtown 5th and 4th Street. Now, this is lower on the priority just because We didn't have a good idea exactly of where some of these manholes were directed. It was a little bit unverified, so we kind of had to guesstimate on where the actual projects would be taking place. But these are predominantly older brick manholes, CIPP, or I'm sorry, clay pipe. Just as you get to it, it'd be a good idea to line those as well. Ultimately, what we're working towards is just lining the majority of your guys' older infrastructure. And then finally is Jefferson Street as far as projects go for CIPP. That's just again unverified, but it looks like there's a lot of clay pipe and brick manholes up there. So again, lining that would be good. And the final project is just kind of completing GIS mapping and manhole inspections. That's something you guys, we lower priority, but it's a good idea just to have a more all-inclusive idea of what's in your system. So it would be doing a full evaluation of manhole materials, pipe materials, and a more in-depth evaluation of your guys' sewer system. And putting that into a GIS system so you guys have that forever. That's all the recommendations we have. You guys have any questions for me? CIPP.

You've listed everything. Number one starting next year.

Yes.

Is there a reason that you picked that one in the worst condition or whatever area you're talking about?

We tried to prioritize that just based on discussion with the city some of the city staff that seemed like an area that would probably be the best just based on historic issues in the Point Base area as well as a clay pipe running under the South Gaborie Creek we thought it'd probably be a good idea to knock that out. It's just an area of primary concern based on discussion with the city and Alliance it seemed like a probably good place to do it.

So we're going to have a project every year

So that's a discussion for you guys to have. You could probably cut down on some mobility and just cost of doing multiple projects every year. You could probably reduce that by doing a project every other year, maybe do $300,000 worth of product every other year as opposed to every year. Like I said, that would just cut down on mobility and kind of get an old project going. So that's up to you guys to decide. This is just kind of presenting which projects we would recommend.

And where does the savings come from?

The savings? Oh, like if you combine projects? No.

Not having to treat grain water. You don't have to treat grain water.

So that's the same thing. Yeah. Is that highly expensive? There's no doubt this would be... It would pay for itself and...

It's not just that. Once you start getting above your design flow, you start looking at having to expand your plant. And that's where the cost comes in. Once you have to upgrade your plant. So you kind of want to reduce the likelihood that you do that. If you start getting above your design flow, MoDNR will stop kind of accepting construction permits for future sanitary sewer projects. So once you get in that position, you're kind of stuck. So... This is just an effort to reduce that so you don't get to that point.

So remember the plant's designed for 700,000. We're about 475. Yep, your dry weather for the day was at 2.8. Is that I and I? And we're going to be looking for... to add a subdivision. So this, to get that through D and R, we need to focus on eliminating that I and I.

And this will show that you're trying to make some direction, trying to make some improvements heading in that direction as to reducing that.

So in lining all these pipes, I know I've seen the OBIC, you know, it's pretty thick, but this CIPP, how thick is it?

That's thinner than the OBIC because it's not as structural. The manholes are a little more, you need to be a little more sturdy because they're more vertical. This is a little thinner. It's probably, you know, it's that thick.

I mean, that's taken into an assumption that these size lines we have in there are are big enough for capacity that we can restrict some flow through them?

Yes, it would be based on, it wouldn't reduce the flow volume that much, the capabilities that much, I guess, if that's your question. In addition, it would prevent blockages and stuff from root intrusion and stuff like that, so it would actually probably help with the capacity as well.

I think it's measured in mils, but we're talking eighth of an inch?

Yeah, it's pretty thin.

So when we go in through and jet these lines then I mean does that affect how much we have to do that or does it?

It should do that yeah I mean jetting if it's dependent on like route blockages yeah it'll reduce that and it'll reduce if there's breaks it will help with structural integrity so it should help with that as well. As far as like blockages though jetting would still just be required this doesn't really necessarily help if there's a low point where there's a blockage.

So does jetting affect the lifespan of that lining? I don't believe so, no.

I think it's pretty sturdy as it is, so jetting should be fine as well.

So it adheres to the line pretty good.

Yep.

I've seen them done some of these in another town, and I mean, they... They move on one end of the line to get to the other end of the line and you see steam coming out of there. It looks like a jet engine.

Yeah, because they heat that plastic up real hot and then they push it through and it just lines it as it goes through.

It just aligns the main sewer line, right? But not people's lines going into the house.

Not the laterals, no. It'll line the sewer line, but then they have a machine that goes in and it cuts the laterals open. It does actually, I believe it does go up actually a little bit into the laterals. It depends on who the contractor is. So that's something we can look into. But yeah, it won't block the laterals or anything if you're concerned about that.

Excellent report, Mark. Any other questions for Mark?

So if we're okay with this report, that's what we submitted to DNR.

So since our sewer fees have a dedicated use for them, this is where the $150,000 is going to come from? Absolutely.

And we have the available funds to do that? To begin, yeah. We'll talk when the budget process comes about doing just what Mark talked about, maybe trying to combine those first two years. Right. Wait a year and then do two projects. Do two projects next year. Right. Okay. And then wait a year, maybe do two. Yes, I'm sorry if that's what you're talking about.

Thank you, Mark. Sure. So ultimately, I guess, just David, I can speak it to you, but pending, I guess, approval from you guys, we'll submit this to MoDNR, they'll review it, and then that'll kind of complete the process of the grant report.

You submit on our behalf?

Yes, I'll submit for you guys, yeah.

Everybody okay with the report? Yeah, more or less. That has to be. You've got the bones of the thing, but if you want it, it is here for you if you'd like to take it home. Keep that on your desk.

Yeah, if you guys have any questions, feel free to reach out and I can try to answer them the best I can.

Thanks, sir. Thanks, Mark. Okay, moving on to item number two, automatic budget questionnaire.

I just put that back on here. If anyone had questions, we had a healthy conversation a couple weeks ago. Any questions?

So are you expecting us to have special projects?

I am looking for any feedback you want to give, not necessarily tonight though I'm here, but you can turn it into me, email me, give me the form, whatever you'd like.

I would like to consider putting up some large monitors in here like today. I mean, that's pretty good, but I know Alderman Prince is getting pretty bad on his eyesight, so some large monitors, I would like to consider that for next year. That was his request.

Let me note that. I'm big moving around here just live all the time.

We're thinking about the aesthetics in the room besides the monitors. I think with a strong art community that we've had in the history of art, wouldn't we have somebody look into taking local artists and have things on display in this room?

Oddly, that topic came up this week, and we certainly will. Yes, sir? Why is that out? Huh? Because it was just yesterday that Alderman Steiger and I were talking about that same topic.

Great minds think alike, Alderman Fahey. Great minds think alike.

Dave, I've been asking around a bit about the people about what they would like to see with the budget right here. The largest complaint I'm getting is, and you know what that's going to be, is those houses. And everybody says, the budget, whatever, what are they going to do anything about those houses? You know, that's the last question. What do you think what's going on? Actually, well, you know, what are we going to do about those? I don't think that's a, I mean... A budget question. No, I mean, I asked their opinion on what they would like to change, and the biggest complaint I'm getting back is those houses.

It's an enforcement question, and I think, you know, I think the community development... I understand, I've just been, people tell me that, and I've asked them. Community development, I think, focused on it, and still does, and now the chief is focusing on it, but I also think it's difficult, because we just got a complaint today about a yard with a trampoline with a bunch of junk on it. That's not a nuisance. It's an eyesore, but it's not a nuisance. I know you're talking about houses.

Yeah, I mean, it's just, I'd say I agree it's heading into the budget. But when I ask questions, what do you think's going on? What do you think of how things are going?

Why can't we get this going? Because we've got four of them in kind of a concentrated area. Three of them right there on Market Street. The yellow house, I guess we've been mowing now. 974, is it? We've been mowing that now. I mean, have we really reached out? I know I've heard there was a death in the house and somebody's in jail. I mean... Yes, we have done all we can do with a house that's in foreclosure and no one's living inside. So it is in... Right. Yeah, see anything like that we can share with, because I got... And there's one right across the street that's vacant. There's animals coming out of it. It's been abandoned by a pretty prominent landowner, a rental person and stuff, but they haven't done anything except mow the grass, but it's pretty deteriorated. The one on 8th Street, same situation.

The one on 8th Street is in the process of being condemned. Okay. And again, I don't mean to cut you short, but I just wanted to get you the answers. And it's a lengthy process.

We lost the chief, but Robert, anything with you being on board now and chief doing some code enforcement, things going well, anything else you need from us?

no not not really just uh one is to um get the word out to to those people that are asking those kind of questions uh direct them to us so that if there is something that we don't know about that we're not aware of one we can get on it right away but those that we are aware of um like the administrator said that it is a lengthy process unfortunately we'd all like it to be snap our fingers and it go away a lot of times what we run into is we do our required service to notify the owners that we have issues and then we run into things like we send it out to the legal address as listed in the records unfortunately that's where the house is that nobody lives in and so then we're trying in the process of trying to track people down so then we have to start at least that minor portion over again so we have to send that out to them all the documentation to them legally again so that kind of starts their portion of the clock over again, if you will. And there's a number of days that they have to receive and respond to that. The good thing about doing that via certified mail is all that can be tracked. So, We're getting real close on the one on 8th Street where their time frame is going to be up, and that will be before you all. Right now it's classified as a dangerous building.

That's collapsing.

Yes, correct. That's correct. And it's classified right now as a dangerous building. It's posted. The neighbors that are there, I've been there multiple times and they were very happy to see when we actually posted the property. So doing that, people are seeing that and they know that we're doing that. The other ones that you mentioned, they're going to get kind of the same. Some of those may be salvageable, some of them are not. And if they want to salvage, that's up to them to prove that to us that it can be salvaged. And so far nobody's responded really either way with any of them. So it's going to come before you all and then we're going to get direction to proceed in the manner that you wish to proceed in. And if that's to demolish the structures or you can even vote to fix them up. But most of these we're going to, you know, the recommendation will probably be that they be demolished. But um and those people are again abided to that hearing all that gets posted out so the best thing that you guys can do is you know let them know that and unfortunately it is a lengthy process but get them to us so that we can explain that as well but also know hey look at the house and see if the things post if it's not posted there's got to be a reason why so we can explain that to him can i mean it just to communicate i hate to waste everybody's time during the meeting here

You know, bringing each one of those up and stuff. I mean, can we get just a list of saying, you know, by each ward, this one's in the process, this one's in the process. 100%. Okay. That would help.

I'll be more than happy to put that together. Okay.

Yep. And while we're on this subject, are we going to discuss like an ordinance for the amount of domestic animals that we can have?

It's not on the agenda, but Robert is working on it. I mean, we weren't going to discuss it. We were just going to bring it to you.

Yeah, I did that work in Crystal City when I was there. I was over animal control as well. So I've been dealing with those kind of things quite often. So we're going to put together something we think is valid and then you guys can shoot holes in it and we can decide what to do from there.

Thanks, Robert. Excellent. Thank you. Moving on to topic number three, real estate.

Yes, I have some information to share with you, preferably in closed session. Motion to go into closed session.

Motion to go into closed session for real estate. All those in favor, we'll do a roll call, please.

Alderman Ross?

Yes.

Alderman Prince? Yes. Alderman Iman? Yes. Alderman Steiger? Yes. Alderman Dobbs? Yes. Alderman Fahey? Yes. Alderman Donovan? Yes. Alderman Harry? Yes.

Motion carries, 657.

Thank you.

Thank you. Thank you. you Bye.

Are we back live now? Okay, seeing any other business to come before the board for the work session? No. I adjourn the meeting. Thank you all.