Council - Regular Meeting

33 34 35 and 36 of the consent agenda. Do I have a second? Second. We have a motion from councelor Pller, a second from councelor Farrell. Any comments before? Okay. All in favor say I. I. I. I. I. I.

Thank you. Item number four here from the citizens. We have one blue card from Sharon Woodard. Where is she? [clears throat] Come on up, Sharon. Just state your city of residence, not your full address, and then you'll have three minutes. Good evening. Sharon Woodard Paige.

Um, I just want to speak tonight. I I know we've there's been a number of us that have been coming to meetings um once we were aware of the land sale for the data center. Um there's lots of stuff going around on social media back and forth. Um tonight I I just wanted to speak about the fact that um we you know there are a number of us that believe this should be going to a vote. Um I think especially given uh some of the situations that happened one uh council ago um you know if it was important enough to sue the city I think that this is equally if not more important 500 acres there are people um that are concerned about this from the air and uh water about their bills. Um, I'm going to add on my my end, um, the NDAs, the fact that they're doing them all over the nation doesn't make them bright to me. [music] It means billionaires are doing this secretively because it's so competitive. Um, and there's so many millions, if not billions of dollars at stake that they're kind of bullying their way through this. Um to be told that we're rushing this and trying to squash people's um information is actually the exact opposite of how we feel when you guys have been sitting in executive s sessions for months. Um and we ask questions and we get vague answers and I sat through that presentation and got very little information from that fellow um who was over in England or whatever. So we're you know we're concerned um on many levels. I just want to also make a point of saying when you're going to post about, you know, the the primo eagle mountain um as being the the the what we should be ascending to. Um there's a lot of missing information there. Like their water bills have gone up. They went up

in 22 for the first time in [music] 20 years. They're on water restrictions. They can't water anything in their yard between 10 and six. Um they have to go every other day to water. They get fined if they wa if they use water incorrectly in their city. And they're trying to have every citizen in that town in that city um cut their water usage by 19% by 2030. None of that was mentioned in the posts that we're getting about how fantastic Eagle Mountain is. I just wanted to be balanced here. [music] We need all of the information. They're having water issues there because of the decisions their council made. And if you go back far enough, you'll see plenty of complaints from citizens there, too. And then the city just went straight ahead and did it anyway. I'm out of time. Please let us vote on this. Thank you. [applause] Item number 51, mayor's reports and announcements. I just have a couple of shoutouts that I want to do. First of all, to all of those who participated in and helped with the balloon riato, which came off as a wonderful event, a big hit. Um, I I can't say enough about all the hard work and all of the amazing things that went on for that event. It's I think it was one of the best that we've ever had. I think most most people would agree it was just a wonderful wonderful job that everybody did. I wanted to share wanted to say that to them. Um and also for our finance department here in the city there is a an award that was given to our finance department. and it was a bit delayed in coming and it's from the um

this is a news release from the government finance officers association and um I just wanted to read a couple of sentences out of it. It says the government financial off finance officers association of the United States and Canada has awarded the certificate of achievement for excellence in financial supporting to city of page for its annual comprehensive financial report for the fiscal year ended June 30 of 24. The report has been judged by an impartial panel to meet the high standards of the program. The certificate of achievement is the highest form of recognition in the area of governmental accounting and financial reporting and its attainment represents a significant accomplishment by a government and its management. So I just wanted to point that out. We have a really good finance department and thank them for all of their hard work and their effort. And that's all that I had. So item number 52, city manager current event summary. Over to you, Brian.

Yeah, mayor and council. Thank you. I wanted to echo with the balloon riata, my favorite weekend of the year, of course, but uh you have a a relatively new team, your events team, and that's uh led by Lzette under Debbie Windlock's leadership. And I thought they did an outstanding job. I mean, in terms of the the pilots, um, everything, there's a lot of details, a lot of logistics to put that together, and it just went off flawlessly. So, appreciate them. And I think, uh, the council and and staff going forward can can expect good things from that team and and more events coming forward in the page. You also asked me to, uh, talk about the square mile. The application has been submitted with the fees and uh we're waiting for the state land office to go through their process to get back with us. So, not sure how what that's going to look like, but uh I was also going to mention that you have the dorm group down at the state that that will help facilitate that along going forward. Um, we did uh as of this week, our new public information director, Adam Geller, I don't know if he's here in the audience. There he is. Adam, stand up. Adam Geller, he meet comes to us from uh Kingman. Uh sharp guy. Adam, thank you. Look forward to for uh all of us working with you. He's going to be doing communications and marketing for Paige. So, more of the messaging going forward. He just started Monday and uh comes to us with a lot of experience. He'll also be um overseeing, it's anticipated at this point, the economic development board. So, he he'll be working closely with the economic development board. Thanks, Adam. And that's all I have, Mayor.

Okay. Item number 61, boards and commissions. Were there any um board meetings attended by counselors? they like to share with us. Councelor Frell, we had a youth advisory work group and they worked hard to build a presentation and we're excited to see it tonight. I I like watching them work and it was impressive how they pulled together their thoughts and all their work and I'll let them share all what they did. A great job watching it and I look forward to hearing the report.

Any others? I we I did attend um I did attend the what do I want to call that the water the water group the water second water intake project group the last Monday of October. Unfortunately, things are kind of in limbo waiting for the government to reopen the federal government since the federal funding through the Great American Outdoor Act is what we are trying to get to pay for the infrastructure that's on federal lands in the National Park Service. Kenna. Oh, and Kenna. Councelor Hedinger.

Thank you, Mayor. Uh, the parks and recreation advisory board met on Monday this week. So, there was a presentation to the board about the BMX pump track and I know we have this item on our agenda as well tonight, but I just want to share that the board was unanimously in favor of the recommendation. Um, and then there was also discussion around Frost Park. So, the board is looking into this as a possible 2026 2027 future project. And then I just want to shout out the recreation department for the great success they're seeing with their basketball youth program that's going on right now. And also huge thanks to Parks and Trails for starting the holiday lights around town. They're getting ready to be able to turn those on at Thanksgiving and then the tree lighting will happen at the December 6th event. Christmas uh Christmas in the Park, I think.

Okay. Thank you. Anybody else? Okay. Item number 71 under unfinished business. Um, this is the public input results from for the PAR club from the youth advisory. So, I will turn it over to Lily Crim and anybody else that happens to be with her. So, yeah, go to go to the podium. There's a microphone on the podium. Do they have a presentation? Hi, we're with the Youth Advisory Commission and this is Kaylee Beay. We're both going to be presenting to you guys today. How do I go? Um, so we took a series of survey results. The first one I'm showing you is online. And first we asked what types of programs or activities would people be most interested in? And um health and wellness was definitely a popular one. U also arts and crafts, STEM and education, um sports recreation, cultural events and mental health resources which is very important to this town and obviously people think so as well. Um we had a total of 11 responses. Six were adults and five were under the age of 18. And yeah, so this basically shows um how important it is for these things. And we also asked what features or spaces would you would people like to see included in the paracip. And um some responses included arcade room, cultural room, commercial kitchen, um study room, a quiet area, a lounge, open gym, small library, and a

recreation room. Um, here are our in-person survey results. Um, we asked on a [music] scale of one to five, rate how important you feel it is to have a free and safe space dedicated to the youth and page. And all of our participants answered a five, which we also agree with. Um, we wanted to dedicate a safe space um for our peers and we wanted to [music] highlight the importance of a secure environment designed specifically for people our age and teens as well. Um, we want to emphasize community and support [music] for a teen focused area in town. And um for this you can see up on the board um all of the people who participated in the survey were older than 18. So you can see how um as well as teens, parents also support the club. What types of programs or activities would you be most interested in? These were the responses from the in-person survey. life skills such as cooking, financial literacy, and self-defense. Indoor activities such as library, games, and esports. Space usage such as a commissary kitchen and a conference room. [clears throat] Outdoor activities such as an urban trail, a themed hangout, gardening classes, and fitness such as yoga, dance, meditation, dance, and meditation classes. Are there any questions at all?

Thank you. I just want to say uh thank you very much for the presentation. Very professionally done. Thank you. So looks like our youth advisory group is really coming along and and starting to make a statement for themselves. So yeah, councelor Roundry, I'd like to just echo what he said. You guys did a really great job. I noticed as you went through it, you weren't as nervous. So, next time you won't be nervous at all, right? Thank you for your input. Any other I can't see if um Councelor Hettinger or Hammond Just a moment. We'll clear the screen. If

yes, I see a hand up, but I can't tell who it's from. Uh, Mr. Mayor, I was just going to compliment the youth advisory group for their excellent presentation. I love um the the data and the time that they've put into this very professional presentation, and I appreciate all the work that they put into this. Thank you. Thank you from me as well. Oh, councelor Rantry, anything you more?

So, this isn't on the agenda as anything that we can make a motion or anything so we can get this on as soon as possible. I've heard from a lot of citizens they want the bar club open yesterday, not tomorrow. And so, I want to know how we proceed to get follow up with their recommendations and move forward. Take action on any item on the agenda. So, we can Yeah. So, I'd like to make a motion that we um hand this back over to our city manager and our um uh department head that will be over this program and make a motion that we proceed forward with getting the paracub open for the public.

I have a motion from councelor Roundree. Do I have a second? I'll I'll second that. Any other further discussion? Councelor Frell, I just would like to make sure that we have Debbie at the library and Becky at the community center involved with the discussion because their groups also will be sharing as we discussed in our meeting with the youth group. So, they should be involved with that as well.

Councelor Ay, you had a hand. Uh yeah, I just like to echo that and also um uh we've been talking about uh well what the the youth advisory group did, but also um uh doing a regular maybe a kind of professional thing about the whole property as far as what we could do with that whole property. I know there's there's um uh former manager city uh city manager Darren Caldwell had ideas and stuff like that, but with the new council and and new city manager and stuff, I think we need to also look at that take the the comments from this few citizens that did uh go on to do the survey um and also go forward with uh u a little bit heavier duty or in use of the whole property that type of thing. Okay, councelor Hettinger.

Yeah, echoing uh councelor Auggie, the parks and recreation advisory board would like to see a master plan for the par club. So, I don't know if that makes sense as part of this discussion or um if that needs to come at a later time, but just to keep that in mind as we are talking about the par club. Councilor Roundree,

I just want to remind everybody that usually community centers usually reflect the needs of their community. So we can say we wanted to do this and I think they had some great ideas to begin with, but community centers generally because knitting's popular this year and next year it's stained glass. So what I'm trying to say is that I believe it's time to turn this over to our city manager and our um department head that will be over the facility and they need to let the community reflect what it needs and move forward and get it open. So, I don't want the council to sit here and micromanage this building or this program. It I want to turn over to our city manager and our um department head.

Okay, councelor.

Uh I don't want to spoil the next agenda item for everyone in the room. Um but we are going to be announcing a new city manager in a couple minutes. Um that's going to involve some transition time um uh a learning curve and and a prioritization of a vast amount of projects we've got going on right now. I agree that doing something with the PAR club is better than nothing, better than mothballing it. Um I don't know how break neck speed we want to proceed on that. Um especially when we have the opportunity to uh have a master plan uh put together on this. um that I think that can be done in the meantime while we're kind of in this transition window and then come the new year we can hit the ground running.

Council,

this facility functioned for a lot of years and page without a master plan with just some guidelines and the community used it as it needed and as it saw fit and if you wanted to have a soccer banquet you used it and if you wanted to have classes there you had it. I think it needs to just like I said direct itself and I don't think this is needs that much wait time. The citizens are already asking. We've had this going to be almost two years and we've sat with an empty building. I think it's time that we put it to use and it can be tweaked and it can be changed as we move forward with it. But I think these type of spaces generate their own needs and and and it molds into what the community needs it for. So, I think that our department has and our new city manager should set up the guidelines for it and its use and um and all of those type of pay facilities and how those guidelines look and then let the community come in and decide how they want to use it.

Okay. Councelor Hettinger. And perhaps I can provide a little bit more context. So the parks and recreation advisory board is thinking more about all of the land behind the paracub and kind of how that connects to the sports complex. So I agree with councelor Roundtree. I think it would be great to know what it would take to get the building open kind of asis status for the community and then longer term think about the master plan of that whole area. Um so that's why I'm thinking perhaps the master plan isn't necessary as part of this conversation. And I just want us to have it in mind as we're thinking about the parrot club. I would, but I'm open if we want to discuss both. Councelor,

I agree with that. That other space does need a master plan and it does need some work on it, but the building itself does not. It needs to be used how the community sees fit to use it. Okay. Any other comments? Councelor

again like um I think councelor Roundree said, let's not micromanage this. What I said initially is that we have what the the youth advisory group uh came up with and let's use that and start the ball rolling and but work as on a master plan like uh councelor Hener said um and what the parks and recreation board wanted to do is a master plan for the whole for the the [snorts] the grounds area and stuff like that. Um there's a lot of stuff that can be used down there right now. So, let's let's get going with it.

Okay. So, we have a motion on the we have a motion on this item from councelor Roundtree, a second from myself. All in favor say I. I. I. I. I. I. Any opposed? I think that was unanimous. Thank you. Thank you guys for your time. Thank you. Thank you, girls. [applause] Item number 72, contract for appointment of city manager. This goes over to you, city attorney.

Uh, happy to answer any questions about it. Um, I don't know if there's too much to explain. It's it's attached to the agenda and publicly available. Okay. Any any comments or questions? I make a motion that we accept the contract for employment for Frank Frankberry. We can finally say the name. [laughter] Do I have a second? Second. Okay, we have a motion from councelor Roundtree, a second from councelor Auggie to accept the contract for the new city manager. All in favor say I. I. I.

I. Any opposed? Thank you. Frank, do you want to stand up? There's Frank. [applause] His official start date will be December one or two. December two. That's the official start date. Okay. Item number 73, BMX pump track type and location. This one goes to Debbie Winlock. Community Services Director. Hi, Mr. Mayor and members of the city council. The city was awarded $150,000.

Just a moment. Just a moment. Is her microphone working?

Mr. Mayor and members of the city council. The city was awarded $150,000 for a pump track and we also budgeted $150,000. Um there was going back and forth because we didn't we weren't sure if we were able to find location [clears throat] for it. Um we did find a location for it and we were able to um it was supposed to be a large scale bike pump or park for bikes and we're able to downscale it and meet the needs of the grant and so we're here to discuss and get approval for the bump the pump track. So Justin is going to explain more about um where it's going to be or where we're asking it to be.

So uh for those of you who aren't really sure, there's been a lot of um like is it a pump track or a BMX track? Just so we're all kind of on the same um page. A pump track is a a smaller continuous track. You kind of think of it as a um like a like a skate p uh track but or a skate park but for um for bikes. And really I mean anybody can use it. You could use skateboards on it. You could um it's open to to handicap to wheelchair. It's wheelchair accessible. Um on the bottom here, we have a couple designs. These are actually designs that we've reached out to builders um for. This is kind of what would fit in our budget. Um you know, this is it's a open year round um thing where a bike uh BMX um racetrack is kind of like a hey, we're open on Fridays. We're going to have races. You can practice on a Wednesday. It's like a monitor monitored event on a bigger course. um where a pump track is just a smaller open to the public uh year- round course. Um like Debbie was saying, this was kind of to hand it to us and the biggest problem was location. We had to with the budget that we have um we had to find a location that um had infrastructure already there. Um part of the grant is that we had to have a all-w weather or paved parking lot. We had to have restrooms. We have to have a drinking fountain. We have to have um seating and park benches and and all these things. Um when we reached out to builders um the you know obviously the first thing they are asking is you know what is our budget and they're like you know most people budget between $400 and $700,000 for for one of these um tracks. Um we have a little bit less than that. So I was like well what what do you have to offer us? So again they send us some of these these can easily fit in our budget but we don't have any um a budget to to put in all this infrastructure someplace else. It has to be there. And that's why this has kind of been passed around over the last couple years is trying to find that location. Um we ran a um talked about it with the parks board. Um they gave us a bunch of recommendations. So myself,

Debbie, and Linda Watson. Um we went out and looked at these places and kind of weighed the pros and cons. Um and again, it really came down to infrastructure. So a lot of them were just kind of um no-go. Um really the only place that we really found was at the south end of the annex highlighted here in blue. Um currently right now it's just um uh organic fill. So it's just dirt and um grass clippings, those kind of things from over the years has been filled in there. It's some place that we cannot use to like build a structure or anything um weight bearing, but it's good for parks and in this case a pump track. Um with our budget, we're looking at between 7,000 and uh 10,000 square feet of track. Um right now that me um property measures 1,800 square feet. um it kind of falls off on the south end of it. Um if we wanted to go bigger, we could or grow later on. Um we're able to, you know, bring in dirt and um bring those benches up and and make it a bigger area if we needed to uh needed to. Highlighted in red, city also owns that. Um there is a currently a road there for the high school. Um I don't know when that road was put in, but there's actually, you can't see it, but on the edge here, um that's really where the high school rode at some point. um according to uh um Kyle Public Words works um that's where a road will come in and go down to the um the high school fields. So at some point that area will be opened up to us. There is currently um kind of a a decent area there um that we could grow into later on. So um our recommendation is that we put it down here. Um the reason being is we have all of or the majority of um the the what we have to do for the grant. We have a parking lot. We have a restroom that's already there. We have electric, we have water. Um, all the infrastructure is there and that's really the only property that we have available with those things.

So, the parks and the parks and recck board recommended that we do use this property for our bike pump. So, we're bringing it to you for approval. Yeah. So, are you done? Yes. Sorry, councelor Auggie. I make a motion that we approve the u from the parks and recreation board the u site location for the pump track um the city of page. I'll second it. Any further questions or comments for for presenters? Um can you give me back the screen so I can see? Okay, just one one comment.

Yes, councelor. There was a lot of discussion Monday night at the parks and recreation board meeting and so uh um I think they hit on it with with the board and a lot of discussion back and forth. So I think this is the the best location we have um that is going to give the safety for the for the uh kids and that type of thing that are going to use it or whoever uses it and for the parking lot and everything. Councelor Roundtree,

I want to thank the park and recreation board and Debbie and anyone who saved [snorts] our grant and got creative. Uh, thank you for doing that. Um, you know, the papers said we weren't in favor of the the facility, but we were. It was just not in the right location. And after our big last rain, if you drove over there, you would see that Reinhold Lake is is named that for a reason. It's where our runoff water goes. So, I don't have any idea why anyone ever chose that spot to put this pump track, but um thank you for the efforts and the work in trying to save our grant and doing that was great and you guys did it really quickly. I figured this would take a lot longer. So,

any other comments or questions? Okay, we have a we have a motion from councelor Auggie and a second from councelor Roundtree. All in favor say I. I. I. I. Thank you. Any opposed? Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for your presentation.

Item number 81, new business, Paige, police department, drone as first responder. Um, this will go to whoever's presenting from the police department. Mr. Mayor, uh, counselors, we appreciate the time tonight. Um, drone as first responder is part of our real-time policing program that we've implemented and basically that we're building. Um, we have a drone already. We've had quite a few successes with that drone. Um, I've Lieutenant Ted Bernard is in charge of our real time policing. he's the one that's pushing it, going out and um doing research and figuring out what's best for us. And uh I'm I'm going to turn the time over to him briefly here and let him uh provide information, educate you guys a little bit on on what we've done so far and where we want to go and then uh we'll we'll talk a little more.

Good evening. I appreciate as always have an opportunity to uh come before council and present especially with a topic that is really my why and why I'm still in the profession of law enforcement. Um keeping law enforcement in our community safe is something that's uh extremely important uh and something that I'm very passionate about. Um tonight we're going to talk specifically how it pertains um with uh with what is referred to as DFR or drone first responder. Um so a lot of people I'm sure uh on the deis as well as in the audience are curious exactly what is DFR? What what is what does that look like? So, uh, drones first responder is essentially the main difference between, um, what a traditional drone is and and what, uh, I'm going to show some video here in just a little bit, um, on is, uh, the drone will be deployed out of essentially a box that is supplied continuous power. Um, we have worked with, uh, Mr. Hill at pee and has ensured um, a a location for us uh, for for the drone. Um the major difference with uh just a standalone drone is the the quick response time in which the drone is deployed. My next slide I'm going to cover a case study that I'm sure that um everybody that's listening is familiar with if you follow us on Facebook um in which the drone was deployed. It was a very successful deployment. However, from the time that we received the call until the time that we actually was able to locate the individual involved in the call who was legitimately fearful for his life um was about an hour and a half before we were able to locate the individual. With a drone as a first responder, the the drone would be immediately dispatched.

The drone can respond, the pilot can operate the drone um literally from anywhere in the world. Um, we have already received our FAA licenses, our 107 license, um, to be able to to operate that. That is already an expense out of the gate that uh, that the city um, has saved. We have gone through all of the process with FAA to save the the funding, the money for that. um the company that uh that we're looking to to go with for um the DFR program um Axon is the name of the or Skyo um typically will go through that paperwork and that approval process for that 107 license. That's something that we have have already done and and we we've had and so um again that's uh that's a savings to uh to the city. Um, another huge benefit with the DFR program is that uh and especially as it incorporates to a real-time crime center and in what chief has referred to as uh real-time policing is that it provides real-time video uh video feed to our operators in in our real-time crime center. And the reason why that matters is because we can dispatch a drone immediately um before our 911 dispatcher even puts the call out on the radio, before our 911 dispatchers has even let our our reporting party off the line. And our drone can be on scene anywhere where it's going to be based at can be anywhere um reasonably on scene within the city limits within 30 seconds. You're not going to find a law enforcement officer, unless we're fortunate enough to be up the block, that can be on scene within 30 seconds, providing real time video feed to whatever that that call may be. Um, and in turn, obviously, keeping our officers much much more safe in in responding to that call. In the event that maybe

somebody flees from the scene of of of the crime, um we would be able to have um a video feed providing us with uh very very valuable information. Um in turn helping to keep um the officers as well as our community um much more safer. Um because of this, like I said, it allows for much easier um assessment of the scene and uh and faster decision- making um for for our officers. Um this uh like I said, I'm going to talk about it on on the next slide. It supplements the response in hard to access areas. Um there the drone is not there to essentially replace our officers. That's that's not what a drone a drone cannot replace obviously replace an officer. The drone is there to supplement the officers and to ensure their safety um much much more than without it. Um obviously as well as is enhancing our community safety. Um I already talked about uh specifically how how the DFR is is much quicker to uh to uh deploy than just the standalone drone. Um, something else that I wanted to to touch on as well, um, on with regards to last bullet point, the particular drone that we're looking at is equipped with night vision as well as thermal imaging, um, capabilities. The reason why that matters, aside from some of the video you're going to see here in just a few minutes, is thermal imaging picks up on heat signature. Um, our firefighters back here um will be pleased to know that the drone being equipped with the thermal imaging technology would be able to fly on the scene for a brush fire, a structure fire. And as we know, those ambers can

pick up and and blow and start secondary fires. With the drone in the air, it would easily be able to catch a heat signature very prematurely, very early on to be able to let our firefighters know as well that there's something else going on and we may potentially have secondary fires as well. And we'll also be able to give them information as well if there's still hot spots on on certain fires. Um, which was our main purpose for having it up in the air. um obviously monitoring our traffic and and crowd control for Fourth of July festivities, but we had it in the air during the fireworks as well, specifically doing that just recon for um hot spots and potential fires that that we may have um throughout the community. So, I mentioned the first case. This the the image in the top is a uh is a night vision image of the call that I had mentioned in which the individual called and was uh I'll I'll spare some of the more uh specific details but was legitimately fearful for his life. Um officers the 911 call was not able to um to give us a precise GPS location. It gave us a generalized area by the time that my pilot received the phone call at three o'clock in the morning. Um you can see uh the uh it was actually 2:45. So he received the call at 2:45. The the timestamp on the uh night vision image is 4:00 in the morning. It took him an hour and 15 minutes by the time he was woke up by dispatch to be able to respond from his home to respond to the police department to get into his unit to get the drone prepared and ready to respond to the scene and fly the drone. And um it was within just a few minutes of the drone being in the air that they were able to locate the individual and uh and get law enforcement uh front by ground on onto the scene.

Um Kane, if you could I don't know from the remote if Yes. Thank you. So the video that we're going to uh to look at here, I'm I'm sure that um everybody is is familiar with uh with the case that we're going to be looking at here. And if if we could uh There we go. Um thanks K. So, what we're looking at here, this is actually software from a uh from the the the tri a trial version of the software that that we're hoping to to be able to acquire. We currently have technology right now that is inferior to what you're looking at right now, but what you're looking at is a 3D image scan of uh of a case that, like I said, I'm I'm sure everybody is is quite familiar with. The drone flew the scene and you can tell it's it's a very very large area. The drone was able to fly this scene and in 20 minutes compile a 3D you're you're looking at a video right now of of uh the detective that is essentially manipulating this video. We can manipulate it freely however we want. Zoom in, zoom out, pan 360°.

This technology, like I said, took 20 minutes to be able to scan this. The technology that we currently have right now would take weeks, possibly months to be able to give us a detailed scan of an area that's as large as this is. Um, again, like I said, this was a essentially a trial version of the software that that we would get with uh through the DFR program. Thanks, Kane, if you could go to the next slide, please. [snorts] Okay. What I would like to uh to highlight through this this this is kind of a double whammy for for council. Um the previous uh council meeting or possibly the one before under uh future agenda items um council requested um additional information um with regards to 4th of July. I thought this would be a good opportunity to not only highlight uh the capabilities of not just only the night vision technology but also the video technology um that is available through um the drone program. Ken, if you could please click on number one. Um slide number one is going to show um video um of the venue off here to the left. This is before it started to fill um at 8:11 at night. What I also want to draw attention to is already well before sundown how congested Country Club, excuse me, uh, Clubhouse Drive is uh is starting to get. We already have um our the next video will show that um the golf course parking is already filled as well as overflow parking as well. So, but again, not really a purpose of of what we're here for. Like I said, kind of a double whammy for you tonight. Um, and then uh uh picture number two after that one. Okay, that's you'll have to close that one. There you go. And this was just it was on the same flight, but just a couple of

minutes later coming back. You can see overflow and Marriott is uh is already starting to fill up. Um and then and again another really good shot of uh of the parking lot there as well as uh out on to uh Clubhouse. Um, and then it'll it's going to pan back and and show um back into the overflow parking as well. And you can go ahead and close that one for me, Kane, and we can move on to number three. This is about a half an hour later. This is just before fireworks started to go off. Um, this is going to give a good idea of the amount of people that we have um at the actual concert venue site. Um it will pan back here to the right. You're looking off of the putting green more kind of out on the driving range right now. Um and um yes, that's [cough and laughter] that's all people there that have all gathered on uh on the putting green um for the concert and getting ready for the fireworks. Um, what is really mind-blowing to me, I was there working uh working the event and in assisting with traffic control. Um, the the drone is uh and again, this is under night vision um cuz it's well it's it's dark by now. But what we're going to look at now is a fly through the neighborhood um up there. And um I I think that it's important for uh future conversations for for council to pay specific attention to the amount of traffic congestion that we have in the neighborhood, keeping in mind that um the additional dirt overflow parking that we had um the golf course parking as well as uh Marriott and all along um clubhouse is all completely filled. So, I really would not know exactly how to answer the question, where do we put

more people at? Because um there were literally people that were driving out and actually parking out on uh on the boulevard um because there was there was no parking left uh at the site venue. Um we can go ahead and close that one. Okay. The last uh the last slide is um just more um again for for uh information and it's that image there. This is going to show for the purpose of this presentation technology. What I what I'd like to draw attention to is notice right now under night vision how easy it would be to find the previous case study that I gave you somebody that would be out in a vehicle. um under the night vision. We're just about to go back to the regular camera and you're going to be able to see how incredibly difficult, in fact impossible that it would be able to find anybody that would need our help. It goes entirely dark, but again, because this is uh hopefully you're getting um like I said, a double whammy tonight. You can see the congestion and the amount of traffic. This is we're flying north on on 89 right now back towards the uh towards the new roundabout. Uh the flashing red and blues there was actually a traffic accident that that we had um that evening as well for people that were uh trying to leave the leave the venue. Um I I'd like to close just on on a thought and kind of a uh a little bit of a personal story. So, back on August 25th, 2010, I was member of the King County Sheriff's Office SWAT team. Uh, late that night, we received a phone call of an individual that held up a janitor at uh at an elementary school who was there trying to clean the to clean up the elementary. Um, we went out that night, our SWAT

team, we had a aou, this took place in Fredonia, Arizona. Our SWAT team had anou with Cookanino County and with Fredonia. Um, we responded. We were unsuccessful in locating him that night. Had we had drone with thermal imaging and night vision technology, it's quite likely that we would have located him that night. The following afternoon, we got a phone call from residents in the neighborhood that the individual spotted about 100 yards with the AR that the the assault rifle that he stole the night before within 100 yards of the elementary school. Uh we got deployed again. Our SWAT team was deployed again. Uh he took off running out through the desert uh northeast of of Fredonia Elementary School. Uh myself and a couple of other of my team members uh set out on foot after him. Uh myself and Brian Harris peeled off through a kind of a little bit of a uh little bit of a uh wash I guess is for the lack of better words for describing it. As we went down through the wash and started to come back up through the on the top side of the wash, um the individual was taking cover and um began firing upon us from uh from a prone position. He ambushed and killed my partner that morning or that afternoon. I remember conversations that uh that took place afterwards specifically with our uh county commissioners and our county commissioners essentially came to us and said, "If you had a blank check, what can we do? What can we do to support our law enforcement and to ensure that this were to never happen again? Drone technology did not exist back then. Had drone technology existed back then, we would have been able to launch a drone as he fled from us. we would have been able to maintain a safe distance from him. There's other tactics that we could have been able to deploy at that time if we knew where he was at.

Um, drone technology would have played a part in the subsequent 4-day manhunt that over 80 agencies across the West from the Border Patrol throughout Arizona and Utah um played in in the eventual um successful apprehension of this individual. Nobody had drone technology. We have drone technology today. Drone technology, a DFR program makes the lives of the men and women serving this community much more safely. I appreciate your time. Thank you. [applause] So, you know what, Lieutenant Bernard just told one story. I I was on that that one incident and I can stand up here and we can both tell more stories that way. I I've had people contact me about whether the drone should replace a human or whatever. The drone locates threats before the threats locate us. In a lot of cases, um we have balloon riatas, we have Fourth of July, we have hotels. um 10 people can't search rooftops um like a one drone can. And so that's that's we're going to keep asking. But so what happened was former city manager Darren Caldwell and I we when when we were working on budget um we we ended up putting $255,000 in the horseshoe bin budget thinking that that could completely pay for what we're asking for tonight. Um, since we've learned, we've we've been educated, um, because the drone isn't going to be stationed or just utilized for Horseshoe Bend 24/7. We will use it in other areas of the city. Um, Horseshoe Bend can pay for half of it. It's in the budget. It's 227,323

uh.90. So, what we're proposing is that um Horseshoe Ben pay half of that, which is $113,661.95. And um if my math is correct, and and ask council if if they would consider taking the rest of it out of contingency so we can get this this equipment. We're open to any questions. Um, I have a quick question first for um, I guess Linda's not here. So, is this that this is an item that we can do at this point? It doesn't have to wait for a budget discussion, right? We we

No, you have a contingency. Staff wouldn't do that on our own, but that would be up to council. Okay. Councelor Auggie and then councelor Peller.

Uh, quick comment, 30 second comment and question. uh back in the early '7s, well 76 on when I was on the fire and rescue volunteer. Um this when the PD was at back of the brewery at back there and so they had a guy with a a gun out below right where the old McDonald's was in those rocks and everything along the cliffs and this for a motel and everything. And they were searching for that guy and and Michael Diaichi was one of the officers then and uh but and they called in others and they were walking through all those rocks and everything trying to find that guy. I think they found him after like an hour and a half. The guy hiding there with a drone with the with the night vision. They probably could have found that that person. I mean almost instantly. Okay. Because a drone doesn't go pl, it goes zoom, you know, and picking up the heat heat sensors. Um, the other thing is that you mentioned the officer coming from home to activate the drone. Is that that's not a a time thing now, right? Uh, we can activate the drone a lot quicker. I I don't know if now and something you said to locate the deal. or was that

in in the situation in which we uh talked about on the case study, the drone is is kept at the police department and so um yeah, right now it does not have the capability of him being able to launch it and fly it from home or anything at all. But it will it will be right. Yes, it will be. Yes, because I remember back then we had to respond from a deep sleep at 2:00 a.m. in the morning with an 85 decel pager within 10 minutes to the asking for now counselor. This has a docking station. I think it'll be at pee and an operator can launch it if he's in Phoenix. He or she here um instantaneous from

what the whole purpose was just to make sure that everybody was aware that it's not going to be at dispatch in an hour or so. It's going to be pretty much instantaneous and stuff like that. That was the whole point of that. Exactly. Thank you, Councelor Preller and then councelor Roundry. All right. Uh thanks for that presentation. Uh I think the key takeaway was if you want to ruin any any of the scenic views and page uh look at the area in a thermal scope and it's no um uh can you give some details as to uh like range um and runtime?

Yeah, so that's very good questions. I appreciate that. So, the technology with drones and batteries, um, it's that's it's continuously it's it's always getting better. Um, right now the average run time for, um, or battery life for flight is about 30 minutes. Okay.

Um, we do we will end up with enough batteries that we will be able to continuously charge the batteries. And so if we're on an operation that is going for hours, then we'll be able to to keep the batteries fully charged to be able to maintain that operation um continuously. Um and then with regards to your other question, as far as range, um the range operates on a um essentially a 5G signal and so the range is limitless.

So um I guess how far can it fly from its charging dock before falling out of the sky or when the 30 minutes are up? I would safely say 13 minutes one way so I can come 13 minutes back the other way. Okay. Um with that being said, um that's that's not even that's not even really fair because what we would essentially do is we would be able to have batteries nearby with a ground unit and be able to coordinate on the ground with, you know, one of our officers or with a tactical operator to say, "Hey, we're landing the drone at your location. and replace the battery for me so I can get it back up in the air. So 30 minutes really is essentially what what we're talking about before it needs to to refuel.

So you're just going to keep swapping batteries in so the whooing never stops just like the leaf blowers in my neighborhood. Fantastic. No, I'm kidding. Um so I'm I'm not going to at all doubt the um usefulness of this. Uh there's very obviously uh like strategic advantages that um a human officer wouldn't be able to cover. Um I understand um a lot of the selling points of this. Um I guess the that my concern is a bit of the sticker shock. That's a that's a good chunk of money to be asking for. That's like several police cars worth. Um, I'm I'm appreciative that Horseshoe Bend is paying for half of that and it's, you know, essentially half the ask. Um, I was looking over this and I just had a couple eyebrows raised um over like the the dollar amounts on some of this stuff. Um, if this operates on the 5G cellular spectrum, it's just using a SIM card like everyone's phone in here right now and that shouldn't cost like 5,000 bucks for three years. Um understand this is Axon and that's industry leading charge like it. Um but it is it is a little steep in my opinion. Um

budgeted budgeted and approved, but that's that's just my two cents. Um I I think if we're going to spend this much money, it should be um shown off at the night outs so the people can see where their tax dollars are going. um you know do some barrel rolls or something. Um

sure. And and we actually we had a debrief this morning with regards to the blue and regata. Um it was uh council councilman Auggie as well as vice mayor Pharaoh um happened to to take note that we did we had it out and it was actually a very very popular item at the balloon or got it or incident command. Um, I shared a story of of a young man, probably about six or seven years old, and his family was kind of anxious and curious and and excited to get over to the booths and see the glow. And this [clears throat] this little kid was more interested. He wanted to use his dad's cell phone and take video of the video that the drone was providing back to us on the ground. He was very fascinated by it. Um, we also had it up during um the the uh trunk or treat event as well as uh uh monitoring for uh safety on date street as well. And so believe me um I I share your feeling as well. Um and fortunately so do our pilots as well. It's there's a lot of excitement about it and uh there's we we definitely it will without a doubt be utilized. The the only other thing I can say is with the other drone, I mean, we anybody can come by. Vice mayor has, mayor has, uh, we do demos, but when we have events going on, we we want to be utilizing those. Uh, we don't have any issues showing anybody what the taxpayers are spending their money on, but there's a time and a place as well.

Councelor Roundtree and then councelor Auggie.

So, clear something up for me. I thought this was already approved and we discussed this in the budget and I'm feeling a little deja vu here because I remember asking you know why was um Horseshoe Ben paying for all of it and I thought it was Josh that answered the question or maybe it was Darren that said that if they owned it and the city needed it then we could pay them hourly for the use of the drone or something. So why are we now splitting the cost of we're taking half of it and they're taking half of it or did we end up finalizing that we the city would take half of it? And then my other question is um because I feel like I'm becoming educated and end up with a PhD on technology. I've been reading about drones and um don't they are new technology just in 2026 going to lengthen the battery life of that? So like the balloon regata, what is that? An hour and a half, two hours. And if it's only 30 minutes, um that would be a lot of batteries. So I would like for it to be there for the whole time. So

I love this idea. I like this technology. I'm excited about it, but I'm concerned that I would want a drone that was going to be in the air for a longer period of time than just that length of period of time. And then just explain to me again how we switched from them paying for all of it to us. So could could you share anything with us about the the numbers and why it went to to half

because it might have been a the discussion I had with Darren. It it might have been I believe the original idea was when uh and proposal that Darren had was to house it at Horseshoe Bend and that it would be located at Horseshoe Bend and pretty much be dedicated there and then uh you know if we ever occasionally needed to use it in the city that we could use it as a backup. The idea really is to primarily use it in the city to house it in the city and then as it as it's needed at Horseshoe Bend it could fly out there and assist. So it's the other way around now because I really thought that the proposal that was it would be out there and then if we needed it and then we could

Yeah, I think that was I think that was maybe the city manager's view. Um, but in in talking with law enforcement, they felt like it would be a much better tool if they had access to it in the city and could use it for the things that they've Okay, I agree with that, but I just wanted to clarify because it seems like I was convinced before that something else was a motion. Thank you, councelor Auggie and then councelor Hinger.

Yeah, just just one other point. Um, uh, Lieutenant, um, Nard said different times, they also had a national night out, a drone and doing demos and stuff like that. And like a lot of people, like the little six-year-old, it was royally cool to see, you know, right [clears throat] above you and you can't see it really, uh, but it was there. And people around there were, oh, they're dancing and they could see themselves on the monitor there. So, they thought it was really cool, too. But it's it's so so much of an effective tool that um that we haven't had before. And the more we can get this stuff to um provide officers with safety because everybody wants to go to work and come home and that's the whole point of it. And uh so uh whatever we can do as a u as a council to improve that for firefighters and uh police officers, then we we need to do it just like we did a couple years ago with million bucks for communications. It was absolutely needed. And uh so I I think we just need to move this along.

Councelor Hinger. Yeah. with $3 million in a contingency fund this year putting, you know, a little over 125 into supporting our police department. I'm hugely in favor of this. So, I think we've got the budget for it and I know that we had it budgeted under Horseshoe Bend, but the city council contingency fund can cover it. I think we absolutely should. Okay. Councelor Pharaoh. I move to approve the purchase of the drone first responder DFR [applause] utilizing half horseshoe band capital funds and half page police department capital funds. I second it. I'm [snorts] sorry. Who was the second? I was nine. Okay.

I don't care if Dave has it. That's all right. You want to over So I So then the clarification is when we approved before Horseshoe Ben was paying for all of it. Now, they're asking that the city pay for half of it so that it can be housed in town. So, we make that clarification. And so, that's where we're at because my understanding was this was already approved, but we approved it in the horseshoe b band bend and now we are taking over half of its responsibility and we'll pay for half of it. Correct. Thank you. Okay, we have a motion from councelor Pharaoh, a second from councelor Augie. All in favor say I. I. I. I. Any opposed? Thank you.

Thank you guys. Thank you. Thank you for your presentation. [clears throat] Okay. Item number nine, potential future agenda items. Number 91, we have short-term rental concerns. This was from councelor Roundtree.

Yes. I'm just asking that we um in the new year uh revisit our short-term rental um ordinances that exist in the city of Paige. We've had new legislation possible will be more new legislation at the beginning of the year when I was at League of Cities and at the um ASU Morris Institute. Other towns were saying that they were readressing and reooking at short-term rentals and how they exist. Those ordinances exist inside their town. And so I believe it's time that we also do the same thing.

Okay. And in in looking into this, city attorney said that a couple years ago there was a a full effort or a document or what what was it that you said you that had been put together but somehow got lost in the city constipation. [snorts] It was a it was a licensing program uh um yeah vacation rental licensing program. It was an ordinance to that's something that we could find and revive and and update and and be ready with the um new legislation that that she mentioned coming out and and bring it back to the council. Yeah. Okay. Well, I'm I certainly would like to have this come back before us when staff is able to provide what is needed.

We have consensus. I think we have consensus. Okay. So, that one. Okay. Item number 92, data center citizen vote. This one is to councelor Hammonds. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Um, just given the feedback that we've had from the community in the last couple of weeks, I wanted to ask council um if this body is interested in placing the topic of a citizen vote on the data center on a future agenda maybe after the holidays.

Okay. So, is this in is this concerning the item we already voted on in which there is already a referendum in process? Um, yes. I think the clerk did mention that there's a referendum and so if the referendum is has the appropriate number of signatures, then we would need to discuss it at a future meeting anyways, right? Yes. And I think the referendum would be the the legal avenue for for doing this concerning our October 22 vote. That's what I was trying to look into. Um any comments, questions from any of councelor Prowler?

I mean, this is what I would have liked for us to do in the first place. Um I don't know with the referendum in the air and with Nordance being signed where we're at legally as far as procedure and whatnot goes, but I'm in favor of at least talking about it at a future meeting. Any other comments, councelor? I think um referendum if if the signatures come through. Yeah, that's I mean that's what our democracy is and uh so whether it's u November of 26 when it'd be on a ballot or if I guess if my understanding if a referendum goes through it would be much sooner.

Okay. So would they pay for it or the city pay for it or has to pay the county to run the election? Right. It would be the city. It would be the city that pays for it. Yeah. So the the the real question is legally is there an issue with us putting it as our future agenda item rather than letting the referendum take its course? Is there any? Well, either way, I feel like there's like it's difficult to to even ask some of these questions when it's technically not on the agenda,

like some some of the things that councelor Augie just brought up. Um, would it be the November ballot or would it be a sooner ballot? Who bears the cost? Like there's all these questions and discussion that could be had, but we can't have that discussion until it's on the agenda. Councelor Roundtree.

Yes. So, we shouldn't even be talking about this that we can't it's that's not what's on the agenda. It's whether or not it needs to be placed in January. And because there's a recall um before us, then I don't think we can make a decision either. I think that legally we need to then step back and we have to let the process that some people have filed and move forward. And then um since the comments were made and directed towards me and it does have to do with allowed um a vote on this, I want to make it clear that um this has nothing to do with the past streetscape vote. It's two different things just because the word vote is in there on streetscape. We knew where it was going to exact location. We knew all of the specifics.

Okay. Thank you. But what I'm just saying is there's no similarities here. I'm It's not okay for us to make a decision to vote on something that we do not have the information before us. We don't know. I guess the the so to for [clears throat] the council to um for the council to decide or to encourage do we put this on a future agenda item or wait for the referendum to take its course? Allow the referendum. We have to allow the referendum. We don't have a choice now. Just wait for the referendum. So, we can't make a choice legally. We have to wait until the referendum's done now. So, we could have beforehand, but we can't now. I would.

Josh, is that true? Do we do we not have the power to put something out as a citizen vote without a referendum? You do have certain authority to place things on the on for election. Um, but typically not like for a straw poll or those types of elections. You're usually, you know, doing something with legal effect where somebody's actually voting for or against something that's binding, which is the format of the referendum they're voting. It's about something specific.

Yeah. Yeah. If that process were to move forward, it would be a legally binding vote. Did that answer your question? Councelor Hammond, [snorts] I guess. So, so does anybody want to have further discussion about this in January or are you all saying you just want to wait and see what happens with referendum? The majority is saying to hold off on that and let the referendum run its course. That's what it appears. Okay. Item number 93, restructure EDAP charter. This one also to councelor Hammond.

Thank you. Um, so this one, we've had a couple of recent events that made me want to put this on for consideration for future agenda. One, the resignation of our former economic development director, which occurred last summer. to the establishment of the airport advisory board which in our current code of ordinances the economic development advisory board is charged with o airport oversight and now that's gone to the airport board so at a minimum I think we need to relook that in our ordinances um but third I think if you look at the way our ordinances are currently written there's just not a lot of guidance for for the economic development advisory board um and yet there's so much they could be doing in terms of seeking investors and developers to diversify our econ economy, uh, tracking and communicating tourism trends, stimulating workforce development programs, establishing a housing authority, evaluating transportation needs. Um, the current members of the economic development advisory board are are prepared to discuss this at their next meeting, the 24th of this month, um, and prepare their recommendations, run them by the city attorney, and then bring it to council if we're willing to hear them at a future agenda. Okay. um city attorney, with the formation of the airport board and the upcoming um bylaws for that board, this will this automatically trigger um is this something that we have need to have on our our agenda or is this something that's going to come before us anyways? Well, the airport thing will that that'll get resolved either way about you know that that um responsibility is going to transition to the airport border has regardless. Um but as far as giving direction I guess on what you want EDAB the board to focus on and to work on that that ne not necessarily you know that that would be something we would be probably looking

for direction. So, I'm I'm good for discussing that in the future and trying to enhance the EDAB board and councelor Roundry.

I'm not at this time. Every one of our boards needs to have the same thing done and it's something that our new city manager should do. Um it's on our list of concerns that our boards aren't functioning um the way that they should be and that they all need to be addressed. And so um I don't want to um single out one. I want um that to be something that occurs under um once our city manager is takes in and he addresses everything that all of our boards get addressed and and we look at where his direction would give us for all of our different boards because they many of them I know the park and recreation at time felt like they weren't being utilized the way they should and so it's something that needs to be looked for for every one of our boards. Councelor Hedinger.

Thank you, Mayor. Um, I agree with Councelor Hammond. I think it'd be great to look at the EDAB charter. I agree with Councelor Roundtree. I think we could probably look at some other charters as well. Um, Councelor Hammond, to your point, though, I would expect that anytime a board has a recommendation for us that we are putting that on an agenda. Um, and so I I wouldn't I would hope that we don't have to add it as a future agenda item in advance, but that if a board has a recommendation for us, they're always aotted time on the agenda to present that recommendation if they want. Uh, so I just want to make sure we're all aligned on on that. If the EDAB board is or if EDAB is planning on discussing it, I would assume it's just automatically going to get added to a future agenda.

Thank you, Councelor Per. I think councelor Rodri. Uh, I'm going to say that our PNZ board has been flawless and hasn't set a foot wrong in at least the last four months. Um, they also haven't met in at least the last four months, but that's beside the point. Um, I'm open to discussing this whenever. Councelor Roundry

need to remind the other council members that boards are a tool for the council and for um city employees and so they them creating their own charter and then bringing that to us is a little twisted. It needs to be the other way around. It's generally what we need them to do and what we want to direct them to do and that it generally goes that direction because they are um to help lessen our load and be another eyes uh for the community to bring back perspectives and and and answer things for us. So, I think that's kind of needs to be turned around the other way. And I still think that that's something that as our new city manager gets on and re-evaluates our our organization that those charters or everything. So I I think this is something that I would be willing to look at in the future after I get a new city manager's input on this, but I think at this time it's needs to be held up.

Okay, I think we have enough on that. Um, I'll just kind of ask council to let me know if this is something that they think is uh appropriate at this time. No, right now. Okay. So, we have a four to three on that that we will wait on this item. Okay. Item number 94, economic development housing authority director. This goes to councelor Hammond.

Sorry, I hate to backtrack, but real quick, I just want to make the point that I don't think it is super clear how our boards get things on the agenda. Um, it's not spelled out in our ordinances. And so I think that that again if we're going to expect I also I also heard like kind of a circular train of thought where maybe council's giving direction but maybe EDAB's putting themselves on the agenda or maybe the city manager is in. None of that seems clear to me. So if I was sitting on that board I would be super frustrated with the lack of

I can tell you I can tell you councelor Hammond that there there is going to be board trainings in January. So just just so you're aware of that. Um okay, I hope that that helps. Yes, I do too. So

So on this on this final item which is related um as we just mentioned the we've been without an economic development director for several months now. Um I think we rightly waited to fill that position until we could bring on the new city manager. But now that that selection has been made, I think this is a pretty logical next step. Um, we hired the PIO, which has taken over the marketing and communication aspect of that previous position. Debbie Winlock's overseeing recreation. Uh, but there's still a lot that that position used to do and a lot of ideas that this council had that we wanted that position to do in terms of diversifying um diversifying our economy, establishing a housing authority, really putting some muscle behind our stated number one strategic priority, which is grow the inventory of available housing. So, um, I'm hoping that we can put this on a future agenda. Again, after the holidays, our city manager will have a couple of months to to get his feet wet and um, we can all discuss what that position looks like in the future.

Okay. So, quick question for the city attorney. Is this a position that would fall strictly under the purview of the city manager with our directions like during a budget session or how does the city council have the authority to discuss this position and just bring it to life? Um, if it's a if it's a position that's under the city manager, then the city council really wouldn't have any say in the position other than to budget for it. Budget for it. But it would if any any any employee that works for the city manager is entirely under the city manager's direction.

And if memory serves, is that how we did the PIO position was through that budget process or I'm trying to remember if that was something that was I believe that was budget manager or in the in the budget. Yeah. Okay. Mayor Goodman. Um, I am not in favor of this. Once again, this is something that comes under our city manager and once he comes in and he evaluates all of our employees and our weaknesses and our strengths and it's his decision if he feels we need a housing authority director or an economic development director. And so I am not in favor of this. Once again, I confer that this is something that we've hired a city manager for. It's not in our

councelor Audi.

I I agree with Debbie and and I'm also not in favor of hiring just a housing authority director or anything like that. Um, one of the things that I'm concerned about is that we're getting too topheavy. And I remember back to the days when [clears throat] they were waiting for someone to come in and pay a $25 ticket or something so they could run in and grab a check out of the safe and send that check out when we when we got rid of a lot of the people. Brian remembers this very well um and a lot of directors and stuff. So I want to try to uh let's be reasonable about this. We have just 7,300 people in this community and so we need to be cognizant of our revenue coming in and the outlay going out and the people that we have hired uh are capable of being multifunctional people and that's what we should expect.

Well, I think we've spoken enough on that one. Um, I'll just ask how the council feels about this particular item coming to us as official as an official agenda item or or not at this point. Okay. So, we will hold off on that one even though I personally feel that the the items the items of uh responsibility we should all keep those in mind, make sure that they are in our city uh structure. Mayor Kidman.

Yes. I don't think that we're trying to say that we don't recognize the need for economic development or housing or any of those things. It's just that we have a new city manager who needs to evaluate um where we are and what the um skills are of our present department heads and where our strength and weaknesses are. And I don't think we should already be hiring somebody. I agree totally with Councilman Auggie said. We're getting a little topheavy in and employees. And so I believe that we need to wait until there's an evaluation done and our city manager has a few months to do that. But I'm that does not mean that this board in any way is saying we don't need somebody in these areas of expertise. Okay.

To be identifying those things. Thank you. Okay. With that, that is the last item on the regular meeting agenda. Um I would ask for a motion to go into executive session. Executive session 101, potential land sale of portion of parcel 80220005A for a resort development. Do I have a motion? Sure, Mr. Mayor. I motion to go into executive session for item 101. And for the community's information, they did give a um presentation. So, this has been brought to the citizens before um we go in to negotiate.

Do I have a second for the motion? Second. Motion from councelor Pller, second from councelor Pharaoh. All in favor say I. I. I. For the citizens, you are welcome to wait in here if you were wanting to. We will go to the conference room for our executive session. Um, council

Okay, we have both councelor Hammond and counselor Hettinger there. We're ready. This will be short and sweet. Can both of you hear us? Councelor Hammond, Councelor Hinger. Okay. Yes.

Um, okay. I will reopen the regular Where's my page? I will open the reopen the regular council meeting November 12, 2025. The time is 7:17 having just come out of executive session number 101 for potential land sale of a portion of partial 8022005A for resort development. We will instruct staff to proceed as discussed and come back with to us with future updates or future contracts. Okay, with that I will adjourn the regular city council meeting. It is 78.

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