Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

okay well I think we're all here you're ready yes we are right I'd like to welcome everyone to the regular meeting of the Garden City Planning Commission this is Thursday February 13 2025 at 6:30 p.m. I'll call a meeting to order our first order of business is to stand and say pledge allegiance to the flag I pledge Ali to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all thank you be seated would the secretary take the roll call please yes chairperson may here commissioner steenberg has asked to be excused commissioner walls has asked to be excused commissioner King here Commission Williams here commissioner bosy here do have a quorum thank you uh next we have a approval of the agenda need a motion make a motion to approve tonight's agenda support support any comments on the motion would you take the role please yes commissioner Williams all right commissioner King I commissioner bosi I chairperson may I motion carries uh next we have approval of the minutes from the regular meeting of December 12th 2024 I'll make a motion to approve the meeting minutes from December 12th 2024 support motions made and supported any comments or Corrections

in none would you take the role please commissioner King hi commissioner Williams hi commissioner bosi hi chairperson May I motion carries okay next we have public comment on non agenda items only if someone's here who wishes to make a comment on a item that's not on our agenda tonight this is their opportunity to come up to the podium and do so uh seeing no one we'll move on to our business item this is uh PP 225 d001 it's a request for a special land use and a site plan approval to redevelop an existing building as a multi-tenant structure to include Child Care Center at uh 6071 Middle Belt Road in the C2 community business zoning District okay to start us off uh could we hear your report please yes uh good evening Commissioners um tonight we're here to consider this uh application for a building addition um so this existing site is 81,000 Ft in area and is located on the west side of middle Bel Road at this intersection with BL Avenue um the site is currently occupied by a one-story 4,5 27t building and there are also 57 off Street uh parking spaces on the on the uh site so the applicant is proposing to construct a 9,326 ft Edition and then reconfigure the parking lot um this existing so then in with this new configuration the existing building would have two tenant spaces uh tenant space a the north side of the existing building would be

occupied by the property owner uh and and applicant uh Paramount accounting uh and then and then within the existing building the remaining 1,300 feet would be a tenant B uh uh space available for another user then when it comes to the addition the addition will be on the west side of the buildings or to the rear of it from from Middle Belt and uh the the space uh on the north side of that addition 5,400 ft will be available as a future Office Space space or tenant space designated tenant space c and then within the addition uh the new addition on the south side of that new addition there is going to be 3,900 Square ft allocated for uh for a storage area that would also have the ability to have uh Vehicles parked in the building access from the uh from the rear of the building or the west elevation so basically the the the between the new building and existing building would have four different dedicated spaces uh for the site so one of the uh uses the applicant would like to consider for one of for tenant space b is a child care center uh being Zone C2 Child Care Centers uh require special land use approval uh in this District so I'll be going over in my review you have my review letter and it has all the specific requirements I'm just going to point out some highlights right now with regards to the special use in the site plan when it comes to special use we look at compatibility you know the middle the North Middle Belt Road Corridor is our Prim is one of our primary commercial corridors the level of activity on that Corridor is is accustomed to higher traffic volumes it's accustomed to the hours of operation for a child care center especially the uh heavier volumes that occur at drop off times and pickup times uh and so the the this portion of North

Middle Bel Road would be uh similar to and compatible with the proposed Child Care Center there are Residential Properties to to the the west and or the rear of the property and to the north uh however there the site is going to be primarily occupied by Green Space and there is an existing detention Pond uh in addition there already is the required masonry screening wall along that Western rear property line along that Northern property line with the adjacent residences so there's already the existing required screening and there's already uh Green Space so any any um activity on the site will be confined to the east side and farthest away from the residences so it would be uh we believe that's uh something that could be very compatible with these adjacent residences one other highlight I wanted to point out was the compatibility with the master plan this portion of the corridor is designated as Central business district in the future land use plan and it specifically asks that CBD be occupied by a variety of uses and businesses within the CBD and actually the master plan specify as child care uses as one of those within the central business district so the proposed uh use would be compatible and consistent with the master plan we do the city does have some specific requirements for child care centers number one that it be properly licensed so we recommend that any approval be contingent upon the applicant uh or the operator receiving uh the license for child care from the childcare Licensing Bureau uh one other specific aspect is that um there be an outdoor play area uh based on a minimum square footage of uh 5,000 square foot uh for the children to play outside in in better weather than we have today but they'd be outside um the current site plan does not designate a specific area for this uh outdoor play

however not only do they have a large yard area on site currently they're actually going to be converting some of the existing heart surface that was used previously for the um um circulation of vehicles to access the uh drive-through lanes for the bank because the building used to be a bank they're actually converting some of that they're ripping up the ashphalt and putting in uh lawn area so the amount of lawn area on the site is actually uh going to increase in some locations so we believe there's uh more than enough area to compensate and be allocated towards a daycare uh excuse me for the outdoor play area for the children that would occupy the child care use and then the other two specific requirements regarding the frontage and setback this proposed site is in compliance with uh for that I have a question wouldn't the uh outdoor play area have to be uh connected to the actual tenant space where the child care facility is for the most uh um for the most conveniency convenience of the applicants absolutely so they either could position it uh directly to a uh rear door or a door to access it um but actually the the the Licensing Bureau has their own specifications for that and and actually one of the things that they do allow is if a child care center does not have outdoor play area they allow uh any public park to be uh able to be utilized as that outdoor play area so that would require the children to walk around outside into Jason park there are specific requirements that the state has specifically that they don't have they can't cross major roads to to access that um but given the fact that the state allows children to circum to walk through a neighborhood if you will to get to a public

park what you know we could see the possibility of the play area being accessed from these children by going through a door in the front but there is also the possibility of them just creating a a hallway within the building which is the most convenient for the for the business so they're multiple all of that being said there are multiple Alternatives that they could have for the uh children to safely access the play the play area outside the play area have to be fed typically yes yeah and you know what's one key aspect of this uh we have our own City requirement in terms of the the size but but those kind of requirements like the uh if there if there is a need to be physically connected uh whether it has to be fenced or not which I do believe it does uh we would rely on the state for those requirements and so any approval uh that we Grant we contingent upon getting a license from the state and that license required as an inspector to come on site and make sure that all the not only the statutory rules but all the excuse me the statutory requirements but in addition to that the rules that are created because the Lara the the department of the state that that regulates this they can create rules as as uh as they see needed based on their experience and so the most up-to-date rules would be applied to the uh the new child care uh Center when they apply so anything that gets established we would you would be recommending approval contingent about them meeting all the state requirements yes so wouldn't uh and I maybe I'm jumping ahead so tell me but your special use recommendations doesn't that really make two and three redundant I mean for this body and I agree with you as a parent an outdoor play area sounds nice but but for this body is that something we really need to require or do we just need to focus on getting the state license and let those

requirements fall into place it is somewhat redundant uh but that's because the ordinance was is u a little bit more a little older a littleit more seasoned so it's something we have but that's also why I believe that it just calls for some outdoor space it doesn't get into into the specific requirements of having direct access it doesn't get into the specific requirements of fencing because we do rely on the state for that because if the city wanted to have very stringent rules to be very specific if they were counter to the state rules the state rules would supersede ours so that's why we kept ours pretty pretty General and even even this requirement some communities are even getting rid of that as well but I I do think it's a good idea for the applicant to know off from the get-go that outdoor play is going to be some aspect that they'll have to uh have to uh provide for the facility so but in our city requirements couldn't we supersede the state in wanting more like requireed an outside player area if the city so chose because I know it's like the building codes the C can it's it's in ordinances well when it comes to the the zoning ordinance and how it uh is used in tandem with the Child Care Act I not an attorney so we'd have to know whether that's something that's legal but generally speaking we try not to to supersede them but but we do do have the opportunity in some instances with other state laws require above and beyond what the state allows and requires whether that is applicable in this case I'm not sure because like I said I'm not familiar with case law but I do believe because it's in the ordinance now because we have it that it's something that uh and so far the other childcare centers in the city have abided by our requirement of at least 5,000 foot mhm I was just going to ask

uh regarding the space is there any requirements of what needs to be implemented in that area by the state or us or is it just as long as it's an open field yeah we don't have any specific requirements it's the state that would uh Implement any kind of specific standards for like the quality of play the type of equipment the surfacing okay you know they have all those their standards because you know that modifies and changes over time with advances in in child care and in the experience of the state and what they require that's why they're allowed the department is allowed to create rules that that apply so they don't have to go through a statutory process to change the state the law they can just apply rules so um so I can still answer any of the questions feel free to ask uh but with regards to the rest of the special land use we do believe the use of the adjacent property there's adequate public services for this uh type of use there will be minimal there will be minimal to no impact on traffic they're actually very beneficial to be have a stop light at their driveway so they will have dedicated turning movements into their site so in the end we would um feel that the uh because the proposed development will eliminate a vacancy in the city and provide additional services to the overall Community we would advise the Planning Commission to recommend recomend approval to the city council for this child care center uh contingent upon the applicant receiving the site plan approval will discuss uh showing an outdoor play area on a revised site plan and obtaining and maintaining a valid Child Care license with the state um so those are the site plan ISS excuse me those are the special land use issues I can jump to the site plan issues really quick if you like um as I mentioned with the building addition there's some if that's all right you want to go to the site plan now we can go ahead uh with regards to the site plan uh this proposed addition will be in compliance

with all the dimensional requirements of setbacks and height for this for the C2 District um they are proposing a addition that will uh complement and uh replicate the existing facade materials and and modernize slightly some of the awnings on the site so it will be uh a uh a building that contemporary and complements the existing structure with regards to parking um the applicant is showing 51 parking spaces in a revised configuration um one aspect that we do need to not confirm would be the number of employees in the child care center but having said that the office use only requires 23 parking spaces they have 23 and then the remaining 28 would be there to service the child care center and and the other tenants well the the child care center because I factored in the tenant c space to be office um but they are over and above the pl the parking space requirement because the child care center requires three parking spaces for the size of the tenant B plus uh a number of parking spaces for whatever number of employees given the size of the tenant b space the number of employees wouldn't be that uh wouldn't would definitely not exceed 25 there would definitely not be more than 25 employees for the child care center so the site is definitely uh has enough and is in compliance with the parking standards but that doesn't include the other two tenant spaces actually does they if you look at the um the table at the bottom of page four uh the tenant space requirement is for both A and C uh that's 6,935 ft of usable floor area so that's assuming the Paramount of accounting space and the new uh tenant c space that's going to be in the new addition are both offices so that and both both of them when you look at the usable

floor area they only need 23 parking spaces for the office workers and then the other space is as a storage space they're going to actually park the cars in the building so so it is in compliance one note we do have is with regards to the parking is that they do need to provide a striped 5 foot wide Access Lane for the Ada space um they they need to provide a truck maneuvering plan uh to show that large Vehicles will navigate into the out of the site uh safely both the trash uh hauling vehicle and the emergency vehicles um and then one other aspect with regard to the site plan they show a loading zone at the northeast corner of the site uh that's accessed by a 20 4T I believe wide aisle uh this location would require a vehicle using the loading space to either head in to the Loading space and then reverse out because there's no other way out of that load or reverse into it and then head and then drive in a forward motion so since this is an office space and they typically don't need a uh something a dedicated loading space for uh for deliveries we would ask the applicant if they they they do intend to continue with the loading space and if so provide a a location for the loading zone that would allow a vehicle to circulate in a forward motion throughout the site it's pretty big parking lot so they they would have enough space to dedicate for for a standard loading zone perhaps adjacent to the uh the addition but it would be up to them uh because the zoning ordinance does not require the loading zone for an office use so um one other aspect of for in terms of site plan their landscape plan they provided they have some detail with regards to the plant cross-section details and those sort of things it is missing a plant material list identifying the quantity species of

existing and proposed material so we would need that on a revised plan we would also need the cross-section detail for the trash uh dumpster enclosure so uh the proposed development uh will be will more effectively utilize a vacant site in the city uh and the site plan is in substantial compliance with the requirements of the zoning ordinance however there are some outstanding uh items uh that do remain so we would recommend that the Planning Commission Grant site plan approval contingent on the submittal of a revised site plan that has that notes the number of employees for the child care provides a tuck truck maneuvering plan uh provides revisions of the loading zone as uh as noted and provides the uh landscaping and trash enclosure details as noted and we'd also recommend any approval contingent upon uh the civil engineer and fire Marshall's uh review and approval of the plan with that I can take any other additional questions any other questions about Mr Ortega's review all right we'll move on U to the applicant you care to come up and make your presentation yes good evening good [Applause] evening an account that's already functioning in the building um the the idea of Us coming and taking building is to bring something good something nice for the for the city city um so we are in a medical business U we have many medical buildings we bring uh nice value um we build something nice

good for the community um uh for us we want to go for the daycare just case um we ended up having an area for our staff to bring in their children so that there would be easy easy flexibility for for them before best for us um you know this is maneuvering into what's Flex what flexibility can we give our staff for them to stay to retain um so this is the idea and from the daycare perspective will it be solely for your staff's use we don't know that so we're not going to daycare buiness we will bring somebody that's licensed to run this um a majority of our business is financial accounting and okay and uh you're aware now of the the need for the outdoor play area yes as a matter of fact I spoke with the um and a civil engineer and they already me on this side of the pan that's where the they area would be so we would have it's a requirment that part of that area is taken up by the retention Pond isn't it it's it's this area yeah I believe he's pointing to the northwest corner of the site whereas the detention Pond is in the south West corner but but you're correct we the any designated detention uh outdoor play area would have to meet the state requirements for separation from any kind of detention Pond yeah but once again the the site is is it's 81,000 Square ft it's it's a lot of space enough area for for the play area to exist

yes okay I'm sorry I didn't mean to interrupt you go ahead so we want to come to the city I was I was telling as we came in jar Salman is the one that funs the count office she's also a civil engineer I was tell her oh my God I could I could wait for you from this window here to cross the street you know so um I mean we love to come to the city G City we already in we purchased the site so we need your assistance and your guidance we don't want to do anything that is going to violate or be out of the order so whatever you Comm to WR we going okay uh I had one other question for you um it seems that it's a little unusual to have a six car car garage included in your addition is there some purpose that you have in mind for that yes so majority of our medical building we have our own garage that's where we part our people um we also come in you know um it's an easy access for us to come through the building because because being being in the medical field you you come through the front door almost every single patient is going to stop you asking question so that's easy for us to come from the back and do what we do best so that would be for your employees to use okay uh did anyone else have any questions for the applicant no was there anything else you'd like to say no I

meaners and U you know just I want to say that we're excited to visic now be part of the City Community uh just uh as as for you to know that uh my group runs the G res Department G City hospital and we also uh are in charge of theolog training program so we're in this uh community and uh I can tell you one thing we're excited to be here the location is incredible and uh he's going to be an amazing uh Builder you know we have we've done few projects together that have been impeccable and uh that's what we're try tocate here you know if you have any questions that has anything to do with medicin rather than or the use of the property just ask cannot arate okay well thank you uh were there any questions from the commission well thank you if you have nothing else uh you can be seated for a minute if we have any more questions for you we'll uh let you know okay are you entertaining two separate motions well we can uh we can have two separate motions after we get through the public hearing okay and we'll go to that next uh we'll open the public hearing at uh

6:55 if anyone here wishes to speak about this uh proposal please approach the podium I'll ask again if anyone wishes to speak on this uh application come forward it's your opportunity okay seeing no one do we have uh any written Communications no we received no Communications no Communications okay then we can close the public hearing at uh 6:57 and open it up for uh Planning Commission discussion and recommendations anyone have any comments on the commission or yes I have a question the proposed land use that we'd be uh suggesting Council to approve is based on the child care center only that's well that's why the project is in need of a special land use because because it's including a special or a child care center but that's for the entire project now right right yes yeah so if they choose not to do the child Center and they choose to do something else that require special and you still have to come back correct so the way the special land use works is uh it will go to council after after considering your recommendation and if Council approves it they actually have a twoyear period to establish the special L use so as long as they apply for uh certificate of occupancy for a child care center within that two years then it can be established if they choose not to do a child care center then the then the

approval just goes away it's no longer valid if they choose something else then it all their review and approval will be based on the permitted uses in the district so if they choose something else that requires special land use they will have to come back for that other use but if they choose something that's permitted by right then it's something that can get to be approved administratively like if they choose for some for an idea to have a retail space like have a store in the space instead that's permitted by right in the district and then they could just get it approved administratively is there currently a doctor's office in that building right now right now the uh they actually have a CFO for the designated tenant a for the accounting firm uh and then right now the idea is to try and get a Childcare Center and tenant B and tenant C right now they're just saying as an office for future use in the addition whether those going to be doctors or whether that'll be like another professional like an attorney or something like that it's it's not known at this time I believe correct me if I'm wrong but I believe they don't know yet at this time so it could be but doctor's offices um are permitted by right in the C2 District so uh provided they meet the parking requirement which they have definitely have enough parking they they could uh establish a use that's permitted by right that wouldn't that wouldn't require the special land use no that wouldn't like the daycare idea yeah that's nice uh a lot of parents usually tend to call off of work they got their kids at home and whatnot so they can go to work and take their kids with them be convenient yeah very very nice for the employees yeah [Applause] yeah do we have any other questions or comments if not uh does someone wish to make a uh

motion we need to uh make a motion for the special land use recommendation and also the uh site plan review chairperson May I'll make a motion uh to uh recommend to city council that we approve special land use and site plan approval uh at the child care center or proposed Child Care Center at 6071 Maple or excuse me Middle Belt Road in the C2 community business zoning district with the conditions outlined in the McKenna letter items one two and three is there uh support support support support okay we have U motion and support I questions or comments on the motion the um the motion maker said both special land use and site plan but you had initially said we're going to do one sep motions did you did you want to include the site plan oh I apologize I was reading from the agenda okay uh I mean I'm happy to make a motion site plan if you would like them together I'm happy to keep it as is if separate why them separately okay then I I'll resend my motion as would you like me to restate it no just okay so I'll strike the site plan okay component thank you still support okay were there any questions on this now or comments any none would you take the role please commissioner King I

commissioner Williams I commissioner Basi I chairperson may I motion does carry okay next we need a motion for the site plan review well I'll make the motion uh to recommend to well actually this one is not going to city council correct this will not go to city council um to approve the site plan uh proposed for 6071 middleb Road in the C2 community business zoning District um with the conditions outlined in the McKenna letter items 1 a through F and item two okay motions made do we have support support made and supported any comments or questions on the motion hearing none would you take the role please commissioner King I commissioner Williams hi commissioner bosi hi chairperson May I motion does carry chairperson okay your site plan has been approved the special land use has to go before the city council for their approval and uh Mr Ortega will like you know when that's happening and uh want to welcome you to the city thank you thank you y good night yes all right thank you

thank you okay under other business and discussion uh number one is housing Readiness Grant master plan Amendment update on progress yes uh I just wanted to thank those that can make it to the open house I think it went pretty well we had a lot of feedback from those that attended one other aspect of the of the this public input process is um we did have a uh these questions that everyone asked during the open house converted into a survey and that's on our website at the city website right now and so up to this point we received at least 133 responses uh based on all those questions so we're getting more public input that public input is still going to be up and open available to the public up until at least Monday um because after Monday uh McKenna we're going to start crafting the master plan Amendment itself so we'll be revising we'll be presenting uh creating that section uh that will amend the housing portion of the m master plan going specifically to the questions regarding to the housing variety uh providing more housing options for uh existing residents and then also looking at the various uh design requirements to make sure any kind of new housing that comes into the city uh is up to uh the standards of the existing of the residents of the community um and looking at additional options for specific sites such as uh the um the vacant Kmart site so this where that will be in quickly in development uh the goal is to get uh the master plan Amendment approved by Council by summer at the latest so you'll be receiving a draft very quickly with regards to uh your review uh to get that review uh up and up and going so there will be more we most likely will have a a completed a a substantially complete draft by March I'm not sure we have everything completed by then but it'll be pretty

close so okay any questions or comments from the commission I just one followup question U you know I had the opportunity to attend that open house and there was one particular developer that was talking about an interest in some of the prop like the Orin property and doing something pretty extensive but the twostory um limit is now a limiter on their ability to do something I appreciate that we probably need to do things in order here right and get through the Master Plan before we start to make I'll say tactical proposals um but can you maybe share what you think that timeline looks so say in June we have a new master plan when do we start making decisions that are actually making a difference so there there's two ways to approach that one is that to answer your question uh we'll be having you know we're very interested in getting this on the books as well to make it uh more available for developers so we probably will have draft language for the Planning Commission to consider based on the master plan suggestions uh in J like the month right after so the month after the plan is adopted we'll have draft language for you to consider to amend the zoning ordinance to to to enact those uh policy proposals uh having said that uh right now on the books uh a developer always has a property owner or developer has the opportunity to use the plan unit development option to create uh any kind of uh structure that would be uh envisioned to be both economically viable but meets the design guidelines that we're we're uh envisioning so the only aspect to that is that um you know we don't have everything on the books that has has has taken all this public input and and and fine-tuned it and and specified what the public wants uh but as the Commissioners and the Pud process the Planning Commission would be making their recommendations and eventually

city council would approve that with with the Pud option so it's still there they could still do it if they wanted to move forward uh we are in discussions with uh those people that own what we're calling the uh the fauler building fulker building fulker building excuse me and the recommendations can be above or outside of our normal ordinance the purpose of the plan development is that we can get flexibility built into a design and a plan specifically just an FYI but any any request to like go above the two-story requirement is there standards of criteria that they have to meet for approval they are very broad-based but they are important because they one of those is meeting the goals and objectives of the master plan uh and so you would be tasked with reviewing a p to make sure that it is in consistent with all those review criteria so if they chose to come ahead of time but if they if they chose to uh wait for those ordinances you would obviously be reviewing the ordinances to make sure that they're uh appropriate for for the dimensions dimensional requirements and other criteria we want to and design criteria we'd want to have established for these uses so maybe just one followup so we have the new master plan we now have linkage to the ordinances on okay here's how we'll effectuate this this Vision Y is the idea that when that comes before city council it's all packaged that way we don't have to go peace meal and we're in 2026 well definitely we're not trying to get that far that push it that far ahead hopefully we we can craft the language so it comes right one right after the other um but typically with the master planning process you do you you do want to make sure that your ordinances f are substantiated by the master plan so so we are looking at the ordinance language now you know uh prior to the kind of

part of the grant when I wrote the grant you know we look I was looking at uh density you know kind of you look on the online you just search density and see where you know what section it hits and and so we started to identify it's kind of the process that we're using to look at how how to make up amendments to the ordinance language and and we have kind of just started to um formulate what sections will have to be amended so we are kind of doing that in the hopes that the master plan comes comes out successfully and then we can work on making amendments to the ordinance so so I'm just getting I'm just impatient okay thought we discussed about amending the height requirements before when we were talking about the Kmart property at least suggesting Council to amend them to maybe bring in different Builders right with different ideas I mean we're kind of restricted right now so we're not giving you know if they look at our current ordinance you know what I'm saying they're restricted to a certain height there's no way for us to do that portion faster but we have the right to do that I Mission can direct us to do that yep look look at the um CBD height limit so yeah if you want it we could we could talk to talk about that yeah amending it right now uh it would just be a matter of um how much those initial amendments would be versus the final amendments in a little bit more more detail of the uh design requirements but you know the approach we're going to probably take just as I'm thinking about the standards the approach we're going to take probably aren't going to be very rigid because a lot of times you want to you want your design criteria to be have set a certain standard but allow for the creativity because it's have allow for the property owner to create something that is um you know attractive but also

meets the their their their own personal goals for their site but also influenced by what the public wants um and so it'll be up to you how how specific those need to be I mean some times we get into size of doors and windows and all that kind of thing some communities do that but personally I think sometimes you can best accomplish that by talking about just the idea of of making sure that the the door that buildings have a front door opening doesn't have to be positioned in a specific area but just that it has that um talking about the you know architectural term of fenestration having the the door and window relationship be be a traditional in western style we can get more specific about about that in terms of the size and scale you know having them double hung Windows rather than sometime on some kind of buildings others might not be because you might want creativity like on a four or five story building uh in on the Kmart site chances are that that will be a little bit that would be a more contemporary style but it could be attractive we would typically go into getting into talking about high quality materials so we can list the material so all those kind of things and that detail will be initially propos and then you will craft that how how detailed it is yeah I I don't think we want to lose sight we before when we talked about looking at uh taller buildings we also said that that change should also include um better uh fire regulations to go along with it so I think we should maybe bring that into the process talking to the fire department are looking at uh safety uh Engineers to see what could be done in that respect yep absolutely could I maybe a followup to that point

so would if we were to frame a proposal to look at Building height um with the with the condition that it doesn't conflict with anything we've heard from the public right like there's you we have enough data points that we would be able to look at and see if if that was inconsistent with what people wanted and then it would include of course the right assessment of other ordinances related such as fire is that something we could pull ahead well do we want to I don't know maybe I don't know if we should jump the gun and try to bring in something before we get an idea of what this process is is going to be telling us one thing I can say is that you know we we're getting the public input now we'll have that public input and then we will craft the master plan based on that public input um and then what happens is once you're comfortable with the master plan language that does have to have a review period by the adjacent communities as part of the master plan for their ability you have to give them a certain number of days for them to comment in that review comment period the Planning Commission can be working on ordinance amendments we could be working on uh getting draft language reviewed by you getting draft language in front of you so you have a chance to look at it while the master plan is being reviewed by other communities and the public at large so that way it could almost be one right after the other in front in front of council like once planning the master plan approved the next thing on the agenda would be ordinances amendments that you have uh deemed appropriate so we could begin that work right right away so yeah I think that's a good idea I think we should probably would be be doing these things simultaneously rather than waiting yep okay yes off subject but I have another

question we had talked before about possibly amending the parking restrictions on residential parking in our neighborhoods parking in front of the residents M with the current Emer no emergencies we've had uh residents being concerned about people parking over the sidewalk or blocking the sidewalk I think we should try to get that back in front of council to get it passed to give our residents more opportunities to have different places to park so if it's okay with everybody I'd like to see it back on one of our agendas yeah I would support that yeah it's it's I know it's difficult for a lot of people um when we have a snow emergency they don't have any place to put their vehicles they can maybe put one or two in the driveway and that's it and many households have more cars than that these days so it's it's something that we should look at okay and we still have the uh the redlined ordinance from last year correct yes MH I think we bring back what we we re it I think this time maybe when we go in front of council maybe we can get a couple photos of houses that already have it done to show them what it'll look like and what people are actually doing instead of let them in imagining what it could be right okay so it would be the same language maybe with just some graphics is that you're thinking okay yeah just some supporting information to go along with it okay that about it for the update yes that's it okay next commissioner comments regarding Planning and Zoning matters

uh is there anything nothing else thank you nothing to nothing nothing else okay well me either so uh next regular Planning Commission meeting will be Thursday March 13 2025 and we'll take a meeting or a motion for adjournment motion to adjourn support all in favor I meetings adjourned