Planning Board - Regular Meeting

Thanks for everybody's help. And is this YouTube live stream? Is it on so soon? So, we have to be on Zoom to get to the YouTube live stream. Okay. Now, let me know when you're up and waiting. We are on the record, Mr. Chairman. Okay.

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Yes, Mr. Chairman. Mr. Mr. Jamarco here. [clears throat] Miss Geller is absent although she is watching via live stream. Mr. Graham here. Mr. Malia here. Mr. Morrison here. Mr. Sassa here. Mr. Simoff here. Mr. Walden is absent and Mr. Zazaras here. Mr. chairman.

Thank you. And no meeting of this afternoon, no visitors. Uh we have resolutions for adoption v RPM Associates. Um three resolutions. Uh is everyone eligible or all pretty all the same? Right. Because everyone that was not eligible to vote we need to certify.

Anything that we need to know about the resolution, Mr. Chairman, as you guys all probably call um early renewal into the LLC came in trying to get amended site plan approval to change the appearance of three uh the buildings and three project sites. We have one resolution for our project site. I believe it was unanimous approval of Congress president. I just correct something just to point out just because the only people who be eligible resolutions must on the underlying application. So even tape here, they still make sense. No,

they weren't here for the vote. Oh, the original vote. Because this is this is to finalized it. Yeah, they weren't here last week. Are you talking about last month when Yeah. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Sorry. If they weren't here,

we knew applications. That's fine. Okay. This communication thing is we're good. some groups here and everybody voted and everybody was certified but they missed the first meeting and able to watch the tape. Correct. Everybody's on the vote. I just said one very minor correction I noticed when I was reviewing this for today. Um on the one foration 242 that's easy line. Yeah, just uh at the top I had draft should say final instead. Very minor change to comm resolution. as well. Should we go on across the street? Should be pretty straightforward.

We just we vote on one at a time. [clears throat] Okay. So, I'll take a motion. Motion on the the person on the road. Thank you. I'll second. Okay. Roll call. Mr. DeMarco. Yes. Mr. Graham. Yes. Mr. Malia. Yes. Mr. Morrison. Yes. Mr. Sima. Yes. And Mr. Vaderino. Yes. It's just I was at that last meeting in favor of passing the res. I apologize.

That's okay. It's just Yes. I am your name is miss. Okay, I can 189 second roll call. Mr. Tomarco, yes. Mr. Graham, yes. Mr. Malia, yes. Mr. Morrison, yes. Mr. Sasso, yes. Mr. Sam, yes. And Mr. Zazarino,

yes. motion. Is that important? Yeah, you were. Okay. The Did you miss the first one, Mr. Yeah. Okay. Everyone. Yes. I watched the tape and I know they didn't see us. Just made it. Good. I'll move 63. Second. Belco. Mr. DeMarco. Yes. Mr. Gran. Yes. Mr. Malia. Yes. Mr. Morrison. Yes.

Mr. Sassa. Yes. [clears throat] Excuse me. Mr. Simmo. Yes. And Mr. Zazarino. Yes. The motion carries.

Okay. New business. The bills. There is an issue here with the first item which under our operating expense I mention at least in the details of um consultation for the Russian foreign uh research and there could be other factors too but um that's not our purview. So, but double check the description and did that come from my office? Yes. Yes.

Okay. Um I guess that see you guys. Yeah. So, um uh did anyone think there are any other issues that anyone sees?

Okay. So um there will be a new I recommend we drop that and that bill will be a new total. We're going to drop the item or just drop that one resolution. I mean that one bill the one bill tools. So that was the60 correct? Yes. Yes. Okay. So we go to 6465. Yeah.

6465. Yes. Okay. I'll take a motion. I will move to uh I will move the bills with our recently mentioned uh certain payment 2465 67 67 excuse me 6465 right yes okay roll call Mr. DeMarco yes Mr. Mr. Graham. Yes. Mr. Malia. Yes. Mr. Morrison. Yes. Mr. Pa. Yes. Mr. Yes. And Mr. Yes.

The motion carries.

Okay. No public hearings. So discussion on review item is the basically the comments from the rec committee and on this uh recreation open space master plan. um they've uh been able to meet and um submit essentially a uh affirmation or adjustments to the uh capital projects plan. So, and you may have seen it, but there a number of items. The good news is a lot of them aren't complete. you know, I mean, it's been a long time, so stuff has been done. And um we This is not the public hearing for the uh plan. Uh it's just looking at what they return.

Exactly. Yeah.

And then we do have to just figure out a mechanics of how to get the PDF uh updated. uh after you review this because there we may have comments as well looking at the guidance that they provided. Um, I have some, but if anyone else have any comments, I I I'm pretty sure that the colored charts basically match the the textual changes, which appear to be almost a a dump of the cells there. Um, but I did not check everything on it. But when when we do get it applied, we'll need to It'll just have to be uh uh updated and inserted. And I'm pretty sure that um John's comments [snorts] are have been applied already.

Yes.

Okay. Separate. So [clears throat] I don't have many comments. Um well I can start um the um in Claremont Field Ker Park you know baseball and so forth. There is a building there and the original recommendation was to remove the building and add a restroom and park it and their adjusted recommendation is to keep the building and redesign it for restrooms. Uh and uh it's in use for programs that use that as a gathering space. Um I'm going to just provide a general comment that um whenever restrooms are involved they should uh the burough basically they should be looking at uh port bodies and in absence of that um a restroom trailer as a a much lower cost alternative to face shopping restrooms. They a restaurant's got to be maintained no matter what whether it's a portaotti or a restroom tremor or a building someone's so the real issue is is in my mind is will the burrow step up to or rack bond or whatever step up to the man to the maintenance um requirement of not having anything versus having something. Right. So um and and that would be part of any uh implementation but I'd like to comment on that. There's there's a present value of that.

Oh it's an engineering exercise. If you spend $10,000 up front and you evaluate the life lifetime of them it may be cheaper. No, it should be I understand what you're saying. a net present value analysis, cost of bonds and so forth versus doing a capital investment in a in a building versus that that's a test that should be implemented because you know buildings with restrooms are much more desirable

for people people playing on the field there. Well, that's where the the baseball association meets all the time, too. And I believe the the women's softball team plays there as well. Yeah. Um, is that street have sewer line? The the street is sewer. Yes. I mean, the street that goes into the field. No. So, I'm just saying that the initial cost might be less.

It could. You're right. I'm I'm letting you know that how it will work what the answer is. But I understand it helps to do uh to a firm because it'll show even more so that the net present value of of adding the capital and constructing it in the building is even a worse business decision for long term. But but but I'm agreeing with the concept you're just saying. So um standard engineering suck.

Well no the engineering is the engineering the accounting is a net present value accounting whether you make a flat top or concrete and the extra value in an extended an extended life. Yeah. All those factors go into the analysis. I'm not saying either one is right. I'm just saying it should be looked at.

Understood. I can't It should be can't be that much helpful that I didn't have anything more on Claremont Park. Um they have given their recommendations for which are mostly the same for the uh priority uh 40 years later. Now uh for the Kuanas field and uh Peters Park playground I only had the same thing which is I had nothing for that. Uh, in addition, although is the summer is SHBC the Somerset Hills Ball

and they were looking at um whether they could participate in help upgrading but as a longterm they they switched it from a short-term action to a long-term action. Um once again the porties and uh no sorry for the next one which is Rose Bowl right. So thanks to everybody. They also said breath broom and um they also said a shelter pavilion, you know, and their their indication they at least want a port body as their uh recommendation, but should all be looked at for for the for the Rose Bowl loop trail. I I I just had some clarification there because

it seems like what they're saying is so New Jersey Transit relics need to be removed, including truck and train car removal. Isn't that something that we could be asking NJ Transit to do now as opposed to having it be a longterm item? The benefit of of having all that stuff removed being in the illegal term. I don't know if it doesn't matter right now until you know we know what's going to happen with the dam and things like that. But it's the Well, you know what it looks like, right? The sort of trailer waters. Yeah, it's in the water. Oh, is it? Yeah. The green trailer. Yeah, it's

So, if it's I guess if it's on NJ Transit property, it's it's we I would think we should ask, right? But I don't change my internal health, right? No. No.

Clean up basically could be there's a could be just could be done as a a medium instead of blog that that aspect.

Yeah. Yeah. And because the the final statement there is dependent on Dan Quinn and I guess my clarification was is all of that dependent on Dan Quinn. I don't know if it is I think it's it's not literally the dam or east of the dam. It's I believe there was something about a bank some kind of reinforcement that was being required down downstream from the dam by Sanjay transit. interest something like that. So it could be related that but but I agree with you statement. Um, I think up to this point, uh, what's what's of interest is that their comments are that things that were originally rated as, let's say, medium, especially in Roseville, um, they've, um, elongated them. they've they've made them instead of medium, you know, and and I think the damn has a lot of implication, too. But they they convert them to the law and and then when they do that, they sort of say, well, if in the meantime, if you could just like give us a quarter body or something, whatever. It's kind of like a we'll make the make this thing long, but we would like something, you know, in the short term. Somebody did point out there is one in the corner up against the burough complex here. Um, but that Yeah, maybe you need another one to play.

Yeah. Yes. I I guess the point I was trying to make though was that their input which was which they've taken the time to supply in general appears to me like the whole birth page was short priority you know do it soon and um they um greenlighted some as short but they indicated medium and long and um and then that's that's the essential benefit that we're getting on there be better, right? you know the most uh polite um there's one in in I personally believe but on item number four which is rep room concession meeting facility and it was so this is who we considered the public pavilion and and the pavilion project has a lot to it, not just the building, but there's uh parking and and um landscaping and things like that. Now, they're saying short, but they're redefining uh as a simple restaurant snapshack and covered open air canopy.

So, um that's I think that if I read that correctly, that's kind of what's being proposed right in the pavilion today. They I know they've kind of strict the kitchen to make it not industrial and so limited no things like that. Snacks. Yeah. Yeah. No. Yeah. I think they didn't know that, you know, that was the big thing of the vision. The key is commercial grade appliances are

incredibly expensive.

Okay. That's listening to the council. That's kind of what kind of the idea, you know, I wouldn't say there's any, you know, specifics about that I want to, you know, say will include, won't include, but I think, you know, that's kind of what I've been hearing a little bit is that there's been, you know, and covered open air canopy, right? Or is it or did the the the you had the canopy, you had the covered area, right? The seating area, you had the snapshot, and you had the rest of the back, right? So is the the covered area for seating that that's is as you understand is that open area

no walls that is a good question I can follow up about that it seems that they're reinforcing

entirely I suggested that they just get started fast cheaply and they put a tent up that they have u food trailers for the Snapchat and that they have definitely that they have um subject to net value but that they use trailering that they're spending on fairly limited um there should be more discussion I'll keep coming to meetings and raising it but Yes, [snorts]

they're still keeping it short. So, they're still interesting. You can see they've changed some of these things along the park and department of public works. What do you Why is that a Department of Public Works issue? Well, paving in the drive, the parking lot on the drive and I think we would choose to do it like just to say I think they would choose to defend public

I believe right now spaces are changed up there right and then ground

that's accepted from a from okay the nature trail which is number 10 they said is complete but they do have a note that says the signage needs to be installed I guess it's it's been created but hasn't been installed they created this new category called long plus+ which I guess is it's like really long Okay. Defined as nice to have budget dependency slow priority.

Okay. Um and then the initial pool there's a lot that's been going on, you know, contracting it out and all sorts of scheduling and stuff. So I think they tried to just reconcile it. So everything else previously was like short or medium and then they mark things that they feel are complete. and push some to along. Just one minor point on point number three. It says annual MTC CD and I was trying to figure out I think that maintenance handing maintenance Oh, okay. Fine. Yeah. So, then Claremont Road and Peter's Track. So, this is where they bought the property and had a house on it and they kind of use it for office and they tore it down and got green space green acid [clears throat] some of the parking area. um signage. So a lot of it's marked complete. I I think the only thing I would raise here as an addition is just the question of should there be a toilet, you know, or a body and separately as just an ask in each one of these spots is whether uh there should be any consideration of

water around the drinking water. And but it can be asked and answered if the answer should be no, but it and others may have better opinions than I do, but there

a water capability. It could be there's no like how how to actually wire you know I'm pretty sure the the well where this decommissioned back was in this site pretty sure install usually I think that that probably is something else that should be added to each one of these is is dogs question mark, you know, and and um because as I remember the surveys that the absence of dog walking ser capabilities was um was absent for the most part, you know, and so maybe Maybe we should I guess as a followup we should ask them right Dominia if they wanted to include any dog aspect to each one of these.

Yeah. Well because they got the number five is the dog park. Okay. As a medium-term project. So that's why I kind of raised it when you were asking about water. Not just for humans but for dogs. Right. Okay. Great point. Both of them get into a maintenance question. But if you have port botties where you have water, some kind of stored water will get into a a maintenance part of them.

Uh 1071 migrate. I think this one pretty dramatically changed. Um [clears throat] and I think the council has been sort of you know moving along with that as well in terms of [gasps] um might [clears throat] be um well there's a lot to it but you can see a number of these became wrong. The biggest thing was that a road has to be resolved or whatever. You got the second entrance and that has to be engineered and and the the states involved because it's two or two there. So it's not a trivial question still in advance essentially, right? The only thing was it was denoted like the second entrance was not anything going on with the first entrance. See, it's the last it's number seven in the entrance, right? High priority for K back park department of public works and state that they need to be involved and to progress this and make sure it's safe. I didn't um on number five there at the amphitheater. saying drop um dropping from the plan or I think number six drop from the plan is um in the middle of their explanation they they say drop road access is much higher priority uh formal amphitheater investment required is high right not high okay location that's not central to other

burrow activity actions instead look to other locations. Okay. Um, okay. Then continuing on for 271 MRA restrooms again. Um, I don't think Yeah. No, it is right. Number 13. Right. Now, that's implying use of the building. That's there. If we're using the building is I think the building is the private residence. Is there is there Oh, is there building there's like property? in circular

just can't remember. Yeah, there's a shacky type thing. Once again, just any of the restaurants come up with a justification and um they you know drop some of these things. So there uh the Marine Crest. Um it's really minimal that's here. They're kind of just saying that the Ranka engineer instead of um I guess destroying the trails, they should in fact try to make some formal trails and maintain them. believe it in green acres formal signage and clean up the mount area brush. I think that was definitely cleaning at the in the context of paving, you know, Mount Ary that's coming up. There was some opportunity potentially get the brush by the road cleaned out there grass. Yeah, there was the Yeah, they're going to be doing some cleaning there. I mean, there was even [clears throat] there's even a Walmart. this isn't correct, but you know, there was some talk about, oh, should we think about connecting sidewalk and danger kind of thing, but there was talk about um, you know, asking the county to, you know, clear the brush.

Yeah. Because um, well, I guess we are the owner, I guess, in a way. So, well, it's in the in the counties right away, but but they're going to go in there and walk around as an opportunity. That's all if you don't ask. The county was asked about sidewalks when they did the what was redone county right now. So now doesn't approve that. So would there be an entrance? I don't think there's an entrance to that park off of Mount Air right now. That's correct.

I think there's there's there's one on the side that Yeah. So what they're we saying if there would be one? No, no, that's a different question. Leave it there. Um we're just saying it's pretty overgrown. And that's one of the big problems is that's the gateway for And so unlike other towns where they have those gated parts are all green, they look great. Yeah.

Demons in the distance that this one just looks like jungle. Yeah. Um, which maybe it's there ought to be something that you can do. I would think so that at least when you're driving by it looks more civilized. Yeah, I mean I don't have the answer. Yeah, I mean I don't know how often people use what the trail ride is civilized, but it probably not that often. It's it's it's pretty overgrown, but I think it might be because people don't know trail because there's no sign of those signage.

And this also could be a dog facility, too.

Yeah. I mean, the kid Yeah. I the point was it's got a number of challenges uh topologically and and that inhibit what we can do but I just would like us to think about what we can do to even within those constraints to make it look a little more less unsighted slightly. So there is a county trail but yeah somebody applied for one they got watch $300,000 trail take over trail the whole there's a trail that is on here it's part of the ass

no it's a specific funding And yeah, so there's two requests and one was So did we actually make a request? Yeah, I'm just saying there's a lot of trailing available and may change your priority and still keep it medium, but may magically move to short get money. Right. And and to your point, I did speak recently about me just getting an update on our own map on the B website as well as some the whole um set of ball trails. So So will you carry Joe's coming?

Absolutely. Yep. County Trail just back to me. Uh then there's the was there anything else on mering craft?

Okay. Um then there's Laurelwood and Brown Burough Springs which is kind of as they mentioned it's above the affordable housing you know it's up that steep hill basically as part of it's all it keeps going back up there in the back. Yes. Yeah. Well it was Yeah. and and it I don't know how it's ended up since the all the earth had to be moved. So it's it's worth finding out what the current

they were working with or to try to do it. So maybe if you're like you said the trail map maybe okay what's that really going to be sure is that when it went through us that was part of it and they had in fact committed to committed and made progress they actually had looked at where the trail head would be and

park there was quite a bit of discussion we talked even about like potential kind of right away you know like strip between two properties to access potentially more. So part of it would be to just ask them to RPM to provide the latest plan that they have to that section that indicated the trail.

Is the sign still there? Well, I'm sorry. There's a sign. There was a sign for this. Yeah. Yeah. Right at 202 probably. Probably not. I think the construction doesn't fall. Yeah. I think the easiest thing is ask them what the plan is for it. It was on the original plan. Absolutely. I think they had done well with it and did it, but we still have my recollection is they were going to make a commitment to do it, but I'm not sure you ever saw it.

I can look at the original I think it was behind the parking lot towards the Dr. Satra's office. That was the word I think. It was we left it optimistically though. We left it J maybe back. Well, I I do remember then talking about I will.

Okay. Okay. And then uh that's just good signage. Maker make a road open space signage white signage. So let's see. And then ADA accessibility feasibility study for indoor road facilities. This bond range now they don't have Claremont anymore. Right. Uh the la very last item in the last indoor program facility. Oh, Claremont is Quinc. It's the baseball you have to have.

Yeah, it's I was confusing 51 which obviously there's nothing there. So, okay. Um, so I think the key here is how do we get this into a revised PDF? Correct. Is that what I understood properly before Dave what you said but Dave said that these things were already

well um no I I think what John had looked at last time was making sure that the record pages were in this revised um matrix um the basically the table that was sent out um right and that's what was prepared just recently went. Yes. Yes. Yes. Um now how that gets incorporated into the PDF of the actual plan document that I don't know because Okay. Yeah. We can't really edit it us being our office because it wasn't our plan. Exactly. Yeah. There's some

issues with that. Um you could potentially hatch it at the same time as an appendix or an event to the plan update the PDF updated. So we just have but we need to figure out is it best to protect it good ways to do it. Well, PDF better.

So, does anyone have a full full copy licensed copy of AC? It's just widows and dolphins just someone will manual manually reformat yeah I we have one person in the bar that has it nothing well um

I think the the first thing is to just check whether the the table is what needs to be updated and these words are just a reflection of what's in the table. weren't there that there were also words like is the table the table or is there another section that has all this all this stuff to me this just looks like a print out of the table text box by text box right

the only thing that has to be updated is the table and then we just have to figure out how to get that table Well, wait. When you say table, are you referring to this? This is the thing. This is what they just updated. No, they just gave How did they do that? No idea. They It was just email to me. Well, they didn't give you the updated PDF. No. Right. So, this is just something that they extracted and did updates for some. That That definitely looks like it was made up of it. Thanks.

And then this tablet. Oh, okay. Okay. Priorities that are in PDF, we just adopt an extended.

Yeah. I guess the key is is to go ahead and take a closer look at well a look at what's actually in here. Thought there was a capital section. was individual park recommendations. I think that's where the the text is that they gave us text to update that. And then there's the capital improvement plan. This table, I guess that's where it comes in. And that's basically what they did was they took me table 8.1 and they uh copied into a spreadsheet or typed it in whatever and they created the they said this is what we this is what was you know in the first few columns and here's what we're proposing the revised priority and and notes. So, so there are two pieces. One for sure we we want to get the table superseded.

Mhm.

Let me say where that leaves open what our choices are. But we clearly don't want this table to be retained. And the point they're making is that, oh, by the way, if you change this this table, which is a summary, you kind of have to go back and look at each of the sections of each of the parts and look at the bullets and so forth. Then and they're recommending some be dropped to central attent so many charts and diagrams in it that was just Adobe. sort of start from scratch. You just kind of copy and paste it out pages with charts. Um but it's basically section 8 thing which is um you know section 8.3A community well it's eight of the park

section eight and eight as a part individual park recommendation so it's section 8. So, can we find out if we have the PDF and we find out what it what section 8 looks like? If you run it acrobat, me personally, your person that you the one person you know, well, it's Nancy the administrator. But Nancy Mo is the only one that has the acrobat license. Yeah, which is fine. I mean, that be consuming. Yeah, I was going to say,

but not that time consuming. It's just not that much paper. It's not like 50 pages of updates. Well, to go through it's no section. You take section 8 and let's say we want it and make section name machine we want we want to update section A one way you scan it in and you say sure I'll use word right you print out another section and you insert that instead of section 8 from the PDF but

there's um it it may be fine in other words if she takes the PDF and we just say you just want to, you know, update section 8.

I I guess one of the things she could do is extract it and then uh print it, you know, or show what it looks like. Like if you were saying, "Oh, you got orphans and all sorts of stuff like it looks like um a problem." See if she can see what happens. I mean, I don't want to constrain what her creativity would be. It's like just what can we do? We we we would like to get section 8 updated and that includes the the table at at the end. The moment we used to scan it in manually and then we put that to manual automatically convert it to the OCR recognize the text that exactly

sometimes all the media program will recognize the text and that yeah the scanning can [clears throat] be pretty effective. Yeah, I know. As long as it's good scan, we'll try to scan what they So that's the alternative if there's is that one doable.

And plan B would be to scan it. I mean, some of the figures we just could eventually reuse, but and we just have to have a way to keep it, you know, memorialous of how do we what do we do? How do we save it? But it's not that much. The section's not really that long. Okay. 349 10 pages. Ask Nancy just see what she thinks and and she says,

"Don't bother me or whatever." that I think plan B is then we should just scan it into a word document and then um it's just that one section you could just section and you could theoretically recreate scan page docan

yeah it would if if whatever we're scanning And there's more pages or less pages and you have to change it really. So

we have elements here. We have the stuff that that guy gave us, right? The word, you know, the text, we have the page, I think I'd like to see the table, you know, obviously comments. Let's double check the table. Um, but plan B is they're they're going to scan it. Plan B. Oh, I think they're just joking. I don't Who's scanning it? I'm trying to get down to how this is actually done and I'm just trying to be considerate. So

it volunteered to try it. Yeah. Okay. So that says it says all the different. So are you talking just because there's other stuff here change too section 1.1 page two that or that was correct. Okay. Yeah. So yeah, that's the burns recreation.

Yeah. Well, this Oh, so something separate than this capital plan. No. What are you looking at that's different? the session. No, this is what John Leo created. That should already be there. This is what John did in the October meeting. But this has this it should be in the PDF. It should be the move to change it.

No, we didn't because we were waiting for the recommend. So that he was able to well he was able to do it was an update you know PDF or whatever integrated table so you're talking a PDF but we don't have that capability we don't have PDF editors oh that's the point and Nancy right now.

Yeah. Do people think that this table which they've given us basically with minor corrections or adjustments do do we want to show the 2021 priority? Do we want to keep that column and the history or Yes. Yes. Yeah, I think there's a lot of value in in saying that. Okay, but just to just to clarify, so there's a working version of the park recreation master plan. There's a version of that that exists somewhere in the PDF. It is the PDF, right? I have PDF.

Okay, you have to double check of that that incorporates. It's pretty much everything it's supposed to. So we need double check that already does minus the table that we went over to minus the table were no word. Yeah. All this other stuff. Yeah. Wait, what's that other job? These are all for everything that's in the table there. Word in the document in section A. Oh. Oh,

consistent words. Bullets and stuff. We're not we're not just looking to drop in the table. We we'd want to drop in the table, but then also the X the we need to match the table because otherwise there are going to be inconsistencies between what's listed in the table and then what's actually yeah discussed. So I guess the question John

not John but his replace they can reach out. Yeah, I wasn't familiar that he was editing the um we have a sitting

was this an Excel or this did this which makes me believe that somebody created her originally in Excel and They created they put it in the PDF creator but they have an Excel source.

All right. So why don't we ask the recommended for the Excel source for this? and whatever I'll go through it typos [clears throat] mean John I I don't think he was the one that was adding the doctrine I I say this with Dr. John sometimes they use Microsoft Word.

Yeah, I don't think John edited it either. I don't know who did but figure out who did Yeah, there was a company the plumbing company that created the document years ago was the problem. They sent it in and it wasn't even in PDF form. It was some other Oh, sorry. It was It was something that we couldn't be doing anything with. Why don't we just quickly quickly chat? Yeah. These updates are in what we have. Let's just make sure.

And then the answer could be exactly what you're saying. It's like, well, John never touched it and didn't never do it and no one and B, you know, none no one ever did it. And so we're back to then, okay, what do we want to do? So that means the company get created in the first place in 21 is it still existence? How much do you want to pay to ask the question agreement made for just the same work explicitly said it explicitly excludes the updates. It's like if you want this original

yeahision we're not entitled to it. They will we try but they know what they want. That's why they also the public meeting got a nice fee for that. All right. Um, so where we stand is you're just going to ask you're still going to ask, but she's

we're going to check. You're going to check if this is already in what you've got, right? Your PDF, your latest PDF. We'll check if this is in there, which we think is in there, but we suspect it was actually put there by the consultant. That's Yeah, like because I'm doing a quick search right now who's edited. It looks like either in what's in a plan draft from I guess 2021 test. So I will also check with John. I don't think just well I probably won't get in contact with tomorrow but on Monday. That's okay just to confirm we Yeah. Yeah. We think we know what the answer is going to be.

Yeah. I would be very surprised if it was in the right guys for this Excel they used for this. We're going to Well, I guess we can wait those two things, right? And if Nancy can't decompose it basically, you know, make it, you know, give us an editable thing, then the next step is to scan in section 8, I think. program, but we also need to go in and change.

That's why she's the only one. So then the pound doesn't have to pay for licenses. subscriptions.

Yeah. [laughter] Let's just find Let's just find out. There's a small

and we'll get the spreadsheet that way. Yeah. Well, that should be easy. What else? Any any other thing would be to get through all this and then schedule a meeting for next year, I think. Right. Yeah. I think they were the one sort of said they wanted her to do it. Oh, right. Yeah. Okay. Which we don't have to put on an agenda yet, right? So, no regard meeting is um Yeah.

Yes. Uh, anything else I want to say? Anything glaring that we were due? I have just one thing unrelated. Um, the Zoom that we were planning that we're planning to have on Tuesday evening, we need to change it to 7. 6:30 was didn't work for a couple. She's in another meeting. So, that's fine with me. Seven. Sharers said she's okay with it. And I'm pretty sure Dave's going to be fine with it. So, they would fine with whatever.

Sounds. So, I'll end up sending another change to seven. All right. So, we'll progress with this one. I mean, I want to run it, too. Um but the if they can get us a spreadsheet that I can kind of take care. Yeah. Yeah, that should be very All right. So enough of that then. Um then the we've got this just awareness that there's a bending application for 73 where they want to um use the building next to them on the other side of the aisle.

Yes. And I guess the only question there two things that come up which are occupancy. So they were under their previous agreement was they when they were building the alley and the enclosure and I'm assuming they're keeping that was they had a set occupancy enough they're not going to increase that and it would stay the same but is this just a different so this

is a the atrium room whatever you want to call it it is really not a four season though. It's really more of a threeseason. So they have it's cold basically in the winter. You mean the bath? I wanted the bath. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. So, um I actually spoke to the owner and it's in the application as well that they will not increase seating capacity from what it is right now because the main reason for them is their kitchen. So, well, it sounded like a whole new business though. This is

No, it's not a No, it's not a new business. I mean, it's the same business, but it's getting into the reception kind of deal. But also for parties and and sort of I mean, they already do that with the shut. Yes. But they would never fill all three things. So obviously it would have condition. Yeah.

So there are kind of two factors in that. One is just like fire occupancy things like that. The other thing is number of tables and park which is tracking parking right basically. Yes. But if they're not increasing the number of seats that they're already approved for, then barian shouldn't How do you How do you enforce that? Can I find out when they show Yeah, I was just going to say, yeah, shouldn't we?

All right, coming up this guy. Are you ready to discuss it was okay? Nobody has. No, that's the only pending application. And and any idea when they're aiming for? Uh well, I don't have reports yet. So, you're definitely not going to be on for January.

Okay. That would be that would be a long trip to come together but with noticing I think it would be a long okay no visitors executive discussion we're journ

thank you and it's not the right time so That's approximately what happens. And so nothing. [clears throat]

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