Board of Aldermen - Regular Meeting

recording in progress. Welcome everyone. And as I call to order the December 1st, 2025 regular board of alderman meeting, would everybody please join with me in saying the pledge of allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. [clears throat] Roll call, please. Alderman Flea, here. Alderwoman Ty here. Awoman Gold, here. Awoman Sims, here. Lock Miller here. Aman Gold here. Aldwoman Harter

here. Alderman S uh er here. Have a

thank you. Uh next up is the approval of the agenda. Do we have any changes to the agenda? If not, uh there will be um uh any any objection approving same by acclamation. Seeing none, we so approve. Thank you. Uh next up is the public hearing. We have one item and that is a public hearing on Kinderare facility conditional use permit and site development plan at 8109 and 8111 Manchester Road. So with that I will gavvel open the public hearing conditions. um to address the traffic impact. Um Lee Cannon is on Zoom if you have questions for him and the applicants are here tonight.

Okay. Is there going to be a presentation by the applicant on this tonight or not? Yeah. I mean, they're here to speak. Do you want No, I didn't know if there was going to be a formal application um you know, slideshow or anything like that. I'm not saying there needs to be. I just didn't know if there was. Are you willing to do it now or are you willing to do it when we take up the the first read? Well, that's up to you. Um, traditionally we've done questions and further review and that's fine. Yeah. Okay. Do we have any questions for the applicant? Yes. Alderman Lock Miller Whitney. Um, was notice given to the surrounding neighborhoods and if so, were there any concerns voiced?

Yes, there was public notice for the first review um at the planning and zoning commission. We did not hear anything. It was during the site plan subcommittee that they asked us to renotice it to try to get some public comment. So, we did that at the for the last planning and zoning commission meeting and we have not heard anything. Thank you. Alderman Harter, make sure your mic is on, please. Thank you. Um, do they know about how many staff and teachers there will be and then about how many children? I know the children will come and go at different times, but just curious how many. Yes, the capacity is 140 children and there's

regular meeting with me. I sound better the second time. Go ahead. So there's it has a capac it's a 12,000 foot building at a capacity of 140 children and 22 employees at their busiest busiest staff shift. Will they start with that amount or would add on as the children come?

Hi Mike H with development. Um the applicant uh they typically start in I'm gonna guess probably around that 80% occupancy range and then try to um continue throughout their first semester. Um and then some of the staff are part-time throughout the day. So, it's rarely 22 people or staff members there at the exact same time because they are open from 6:30 to 6:30 on Monday through Friday. So, there are some overlap part-time members, etc. Thank you. You're welcome.

Uh Mike, before you sit back down, because this is the first time No, you can come back up. I guess this is the first time that uh the board is hearing this. Uh it did run through the planning and zoning uh process. Two meetings plus a site review. Correct. Okay. Site plan subcommittee and then two meetings at the planning and zoning commission. Okay. And for the residents who are watching since this is the first time it's being brought before the board, I think you've already answered the one question. The hours of operation are 6:30 to 6:30 Monday through Friday. Correct. And what's the square footage of the building? Um 1,200 square feet 12,000 12 12,000 12,000 Okay. And about 144 students you're looking at 140

140 Okay. And this is at the uh the west west of Porter where Porter intersects with Manchester. Correct. The northwest corner of Porter and Manchester. [clears throat] Yeah. One of those lots is primarily grass. Correct. Okay. Um All right. It's all I had. Anybody else? Yes. Alderman Ty. Um could you talk a little about the recommendation that came out about the left turn and um it appeared from reading this that it's just in the afternoon that you're looking to restrict the left turn out of Porter onto Manchester. Correct. Uh and could you talk about that or maybe Lee? Um Lee if you're online. Yes.

Yes. Uh Lee Cannon with CBD. Um Just as a matter of for the record, I completed my work for the city of Brentwood, not for the applicant. So, it's for the city directly. Um during the commuter rush hour today, there's there's very low volume that use this intersection at Porter to go in or to go out from Manchester Road. But even those low volumes, they do not gaps in the traffic to make efficient left turns. That's today it operates at what level service F. So adding any traffic to that is going to exacerbate that condition. And one of the very simple thoughts that we had for that was to restrict that left turn movement but only in the time frame say from 4 to 6 p.m. something in that range. In the morning there are more availities are available to be made safely and efficient. There is also the recommendation that limiting have a sign the city to establish a sign that says local traffic only headed left up Porter to address any neighborhood concerns about additional traffic through the neighborhood.

Great. And so then um what's the mechanism for us to uh do that? Is that part of this application that there would be no left turn from 4 to 6 and the left turn up porter or do we do that later as construction is completed and and the building is opened. We would have to do that later as a separate ordinance um you know prior to the opening of the soon after the opening of the building. Okay. Thank you. Anybody else? Alderman Gold. Um just as a I mean how is that enforced? That [clears throat] would be up to the police to enforce

if there's an ordinance then this uh the police would be able to traffic uh ticket whoever they stop. That's how it would be enforced. So So we're we added into the ordinance in in an effort to be able to enforce it if if there becomes a problem. Absolutely. Okay. As Lee had pointed out during the planning and zoning commission, Porter Avenue a Avenue doesn't there's no easy access out of that neighborhood except back onto Manchester Road. Right.

So, um we do find that however the Kinderare is generally mostly local residents that utilize their facilities and services. So, we didn't want to just do a no left turn only. Um but we do think that once someone does that once, they're not likely to do that [laughter] again if they're not local.

Yeah. And then um as far as the uh the the operation of a kinder, I'm assuming like most child care, um early child care, those those it's not like you pick you have to drop off at a certain time and you have to pick up at a certain time, right? I mean kids are are dropped off and picked up at various times throughout the day. Is

absolutely they um you know their peak time is between 7 and 9:00 a.m. in the morning and their peak time is between 4 and around 5:30 in the evening. Um but it is literally when the parents are ready to pick her up. So it is not like a traditional elementary school when it's, you know, um three o'clock the bell rings and there's parents lined up, right? There's not a huge queue.

There's no huge cues. They average around um each pickup and drop off averages between four and five minutes. Um and in a um the parents take their children into the facility and then um a teacher will greet them and and likewise on the on the pickup the parents [clears throat] go into the facility, get their children from the teacher, there's a handoff and then into the car and then the exit. Okay. Thank you. Alderman go. Am I correct in seeing there's about 30 parking spots? So it' be 22 for staff at the max plus drop off and pick up. Am I counting that right? I believe there's 38. 40. Yeah. 38 to 40. Okay. So there's enough not to have spillage into the neighborhood. There's

correct. And we talked to Kinderare Corporate who uh you know was a large publicly traded uh kinder childcare operator and they're comfortable in that 35 to 40 range for this type of operation for this facility. uh for that that would include obviously staff and uh they they I I forgot the exact percentage but they noticed that most staff um not not all drive about I think like 75% drive and then some take either public transit or ride share or drop offs so um you know it wouldn't be 22 spaces are always filled by staff leaving 16 available it really is less than that

second question if we were to restrict off of Porter Avenue would we have a second or another notice going out to the residents that in that area to let them know this is going up for a vote before we do it. If we're to restrict traffic turning left, we would do a separate notice specifically [clears throat] calling out we're about to restrict traffic.

Well, that is a condition of this conditional use permit. That's condition number four in the conditional use permit and section three sub4. Um, that's a that's a condition right now of local traffic only on northbound Porter along with limiting the left turn lane in the PM. But if if we're going to amend our code, our traffic code to have a a specific um limitation, then that would be a separate matter. Um, I don't think we would have a public hearing on that. We would just that would be the course of business. I would also note that this, you know, our facility is is only open Monday through Friday. We're trying to keep the effects, the spillover effects onto the neighborhoods a minimum.

They're not This facility is not open on the weekend. Oh, okay. Anybody else? And what is your role here tonight? Uh, I'm the head of our development team at Quadra. Okay. So, you're not uh employed by Kinderare? I'm not. Okay. Um, so I'm not sure if you're gonna be able to answer this question because of that, but you're saying that the drop offs usually are between seven and nine. Uh, it is it fair to say that 100% of the students 100% of those 140 students are dropped off between those those two hours.

I would say it's less than 100%. There are some students who also do uh part-time half day. Uh, and there are also some students who do uh either a Tuesday, Thursday or a Monday, Wednesday, Friday. um two to three days a week. Um so they offer kind of flexibility for um parents and family situations that don't just need child care from uh you know Monday through Friday Friday, you know, 9 to5. Okay. And the the drop off again the it's requirement that the parents actually park the car. They there's not a drop off service where Okay.

There's no shuttle bus or there's no um extracurricular where they're they're busing kids off premises, etc. Um, and it's always funny because I I I've said this before in the planning zoning question. I have a four and a two-year-old. So, I I they're not at a kindergarten facility, but they're at a facility that operates very similar uh to this with regards to pick up and drop offs. And, you know, having a 2-year-old, like I know you want to keep drop offs as fast as possible. So, quite literally, it's like quick, here you go, boom, you sign in sheet, here's your backpack, and go. My wife tends to linger. that doesn't always have as good a results in my opinion, but it is a pretty quick turnover um just because of the nature of its.

Any other questions? We'll open it up to public. Whitney, did you have something? Well, I just wanted to um say that they have requested a first and second reading if there's not any major concerns just due to the holiday and winter schedule and um weather concerns. Anybody in the public care to speak during the public hearing portion of this? We have anybody online by chance? Uh, no one uh interested in speaking.

Okay. Thank you. So, with that, I'm going to close the public hearing and we will bring this up during the uh the new business. Uh, next up is uh citizen comments. Anybody in the public care to address the board on any topic? Now is the time to do so. All we ask is that you come to the podium, state your name and address, and you'll be given up to three minutes. Or you can do it online. I have one online. Yes. Karen Smith. Okay. Karen, if you could uh hopefully this will work. Okay. We just unmute when you get a chance. Karen. Okay. I did. Yep. We can hear you.

So, I had my hand up uh before when you were um talking about the Kinderare

probably wasn't seen or I didn't get up in time. So, my comment really has to do with that. And just um a caution I know that this is not an elementary school and and the care is different um but with the drop off more pick up in the afternoon and even after I think it's the after school program know those parents I think are rushing to try and get there before it closes. I don't know if there's penalties um if you you know don't have your child picked up by the time that the place closes. Um but you know they do park extensively on the streets and I doesn't have enough parking places and this kinder care will have sufficient parking. Um but they do park on the streets u making it hard you know visibility very difficult getting in and you know moving around that area getting out of Harrison onto high school and then getting from high school onto Harrison. Um and they're frantic. Um they're not supposed to go in uh use the uh entrance or the curb cut that's on uh high school or um uh getting into that intersection. They're only supposed to exit out of that uh that curb cut, but they they go in and out, you know, driving like crazy, I think, to try and get their kids before the before the place closes. So, um just for warning you uh to try and mitigate the concerns that you're going to be hearing from your Porter residents um if if that's not um addressed. Thank you.

Great. Thank you, Karen. Anybody else?

No one else. Okay, then we will move on to the mayor and alderman reports. First up is the mayor. I just have a few things. [clears throat and cough] Excuse me. Uh number of events that are coming up. It's that time of the year, our favorite time of the year. I said it was before the favorite time of the year was the budgeting season and we're kind of still in that, I guess. But um you know, this is always the fun part of of living in Brentwood. We have a number of fun events and activities coming up. First of all, my little prop here is a reminder that beginning today, uh, we are accepting donations for the Mayors for Meals food drive that, uh, the Municipal League of Metro St. Louis was able to start back up with the St. Louis area food bank. And it starts actually on December 11th, but uh, we have decided to start it today, December 1st. And so we have a container out in the vestibule of city hall and we ask that people just um as you go to one of our five terrific grocery stores, if you could just pick up a few more items and drop them off at city hall. Again, you'll have until December 23rd to do that, it is greatly appreciated. But not just limited to Brentwood. There are many other food drives going on and food pantries and everybody is is in uh need of that. So if if you could do that, that would be wonderful. Uh secondly, this coming Saturday is Brentwood's annual holiday party and tree lighting from 5 to 7:00. This is, I think, our third year at the Brentwood Park, which is a terrific venue. Uh much improved over the rec center, although we don't have the opportunity to ice skate uh down there. But um uh Eric has uh promised me that the snow is done and we will not be having any snow on Saturday night. In fact, I think he said it's a balmy 55°. So, thank you, Eric.

62. Okay. Thank you. Uh, I'm hearing that Santa will be making an appearance. There will be wagon rides. Caroline, is Caroline by Washington University again? If you go for no other reason, you have to come to listen to those carolers from Washington University. Proud alum. I was never on the the carolling uh group there, of course, but they do an an incredible job. It is well worth it. Again, if there's no other reason to show up, it's worth it just to hear them sing. Uh there will be photo opportunities. There's a juggling show, face painting, light appetizers, and Trader Trader Joe's hot chocolate. Once again, unfortunately, this is only for Brentwood residents. We had to put a limit on that. So, [clears throat] if you could abide by that, that would be much appreciated. We are currently taking the Toys for Tots drive by our fire department again. Um, and uh, there is I think you're accepting donations at the firehouse. There has to be new and unwrapped toys. Uh, this is a wonderful program, the toys for dot tots. It's nothing new. It's been around for many, many years. And it culminates with a Phil the ambulance event on December 13th at the Target in the Brentwood Prominade sometime in the afternoon or is it all day, Chief?

In the afternoon. bring again a new unwrapped toy to the ambulance and help fill the ambulance for with toys for for for children. And then finally, an event that started uh as a result of COVID during the epidemic, the which is now quickly has become a resident favorite and that is the Santa parade taking place on uh the December 12th and December 13th. It is, as the name implies, it's a parade with our firet trucks, our police vehicles, and once again, Santa is going to be presumably on one of the firet trucks. And um and so wards one and four uh will be on Friday the 12th, and wards two and three will be on Saturday the 13th, and that begins at five o'clock. The detailed map you can find on the city's web page and Facebook page. probably the Facebook page is okay. Go to Facebook, type in city of Brentwood MO and you will find the Facebook page for the city and there's a great map for those routes. And that is it for the mayor. Alderman Pluff.

Thank you, Mr. Mayor. The public safety committee will meet Wednesday, December 17th. That's a change from our normal date. Uh it'll still be at 5:30 and we'll still be here in the chambers. Thank you. Thank you. Alderoman Dice. Uh, as a reminder, the Ways and Means Committee meeting will not meet this Thursday. We will meet again in January. Thank you. Alderwoman Sims, no report. Alderman Go, no report. Alderman Lock Miller, yes. The uh public works committee will meet here December 11th, that's a Thursday, at 6 o'clock in the evening. Thank you. Thank you. Alderman Gold, no report. Alderman Urgger, no report. And Alderwoman Harter,

no report. Okay, that brings us down to the city administrator report, which we have none. Got a bit of a streak going on there now, I think. Brings us down to item eight, the consent agenda. We have a number of items on there. Any questions about any of the items or any requests to remove any of the items from the consent agenda? If not, the chair would entertain a motion to approve the consent agenda. So moved. Second. Any discussion? Roll call, please. Alderman Plefka, yes. Autooman Ty, yes. Aldwoman Gold, yes. Autooman Sims, yes. Lock Miller, yes. Alderman Gold, yes. Woman Harter, yes.

Auter, yes. Motion passes.

Thank you. Uh, on to old business. We have one item and that is the amended bill 6578 for the fiscal year 2026 adopted budget. How are we handling that? Um I believe um everyone received the memo over the weekend. Um we are asking that we not do the second read on the budget due to an error that was found. we have communicated the error and the impact on the fund balance and just wanted to give everybody a certain amount of time to process it and ask any questions that you may have. Um overall the budget is still balanced departments that were missing some dollars. We once again we found them. We corrected them. The memo has been sent out. Any immediate

Well, just for clarification when you said it was missing dollars. If you could just it's not that it was missing dollars necessary. It was there was an overlook is that there was an oversight. That's correct. There was an error found in one of the labor models and the error has been corrected and two departments were impacted. Three overall two fully the administration the police department and planning for um just a reclassification of the position. So So in general our expenses that we thought we were going to have total expenses are a little more than what we thought they were going to be. That is correct. And because we found that that mistake. That is correct. It's good that we found that out now instead of It is It is good that we found that out. Okay. Yes. Well, great. Um, do we have uh any questions? Yes. All the entice.

So, I'd just like to make a comment on this. This was a It was definitely an oversight. How it Thankfully it was caught now. It should have been caught by staff. It should have been caught at the Ways and Means Committee. Um, [clears throat] thankfully it was caught now. Um, the balance the budget's still balanced. Our revenues still exceed our expenditures for next year. it gets tighter quicker uh coming up in the next few years because there were positions that were missing. That's that's why that's what the oversight was. It was sort of four positions plus the reclassification. So when you add four jobs over the next few years, uh it costs money. Um so uh but next year's budget is balanced and um just wanted to reassure everyone that that's the case.

Yeah. And I think that's a great point to make because when we talk about balance, there's a couple of ways to balance a budget under state statute. Uh as as Alderman Ty pointed out, this is a balanced budget where revenues still exceed expenditures. Another way to balance it is if expend if your revenue is below your expenditures, you can fill in that gap out of reserves. State statute permits municipalities to do that. And that's that's not what we're doing. There are some municipalities have a balanced budget, but the way they do it is they pull from their reserves in order to get that that balance, but we're not we're not we don't have to do that, which is wonderful. Um, okay. Any other questions? Do we need a motion to that effect to table this or

since it is on the agenda, why don't we have a motion to postpone the second reading and final approval to the uh December 15 meeting? I'll make that motion. Second. Any discussion? All in favor, please indicate by saying I. I. Any opposed? Motion carries. Thank you. Thank you, Michelle.

Uh, brings us down to new business. We have uh two items. First up is resolution 1575, a resolution adopting a revised policy for administration of the city's sewer lateral repair program. Is Dan presenting on that? There we go. Uh this item was originally brought up during Ways and Means during the budget process. Uh then it was taken up at the public works committee. So if you're not familiar with the policy, there's all kinds of um information in your packet. But um starting in 2018, we put in a threshold of $7,250. And in order to uh pay back the uh funds that were borrowed during the program when it had no ceiling, we lowered that in 2019 to 3,500 per calendar year per address. It's remained at 3500 since 2019. [clears throat] Uh we've made some other changes to it, but really it hasn't changed much, you know, in the past six or so years. So I put together in the packet there's several trend graphs and fun information year-over-year of what we did. Um, I just wanted to see like where we were kind of balancing out, looking at the averages, looking at the median. Um, when you look holistically from like the year 2018 to present 2025, we're doing roughly 30 repairs a year. Those 30 repairs cost on average $3,412 to the city. Um, the average cost to a resident about 1,100 1172. So, looking at all that, we brought this up at public works, as I said, and then we looked at what the uh incoming money can be used for with the uh program. There's basically $126,000 that can be uh spent for reimbursement limits. If you're looking at the $3,500,

which it is currently, you could do 36 repairs in a year. But again, we're trending towards 30. So then we thought, well, what if you bumped it up to 4,000? Looks like 31 a.5 repairs. Then we tried 4,500, got to 28 repairs. The suggestion was split the difference. 4,250 gets you 29.6, which is 30 rounded up. So, uh, that change was incorporated into that resolution. You know, the rest of it stayed the same, but we wanted to see if we could increase that to 4,250 per calendar year. We're still only getting the same amount from the county. It's $50 per household. In the case of Brentwood Forest, some are at 25, some are at 50, and some are at zero, but they don't get to participate. [clears throat]

And that $50 is collected on the real estate taxes, correct? Okay. And it's been set at 50 forever. As long as I've been here, that's nine years. Okay. Yeah. And that's set by state statute is what I'm getting to. Right. Right. We don't have any control over that. Correct. Okay. And if we did make the change, you know, I thought we'd make it effective, you know, making it easy. it' be January 1 of 26 unless you wanted to change it to some other time. Okay, any questions? Yes, Alderman Lock Miller.

Yeah, the public works committee with the help of Dan, he put together some great schedules. Um [clears throat] came to this uh raising it from the 3500 to 4250. If you look at the uh fund itself, it's got a considerable amount of uh of uh reserves in it above what we normally recommend keeping. So we thought, you know, if we even going to this amount, we can still do 30 repairs. If we have to dip into reserves for some un, you know, rainy day type situation, we have the reserves there to use. So we feel pretty comfortable with going to this 4250 for the residents. Great work, Alderman Ty.

Yeah. And I'll just say this all uh came about uh during the budget forum in ways and means and we had a resident come and ask about this which made us look at the fund and realized there was a reserve and take it to uh public works. So those uh resident comments are valuable. Thank you. Anybody else? Okay, we need a motion to approve resolution uh 1575. So moved. Second. Any uh any discussion? Do we need a roll call on this, Mr. City Attorney? Voice. Okay. All in favor, please indicate by saying I. I.

Any opposed? Motion carries and the resolution is approved. Thank you everybody. Uh brings us down to the second item under new business and that's bill number 6579. Could we get a first read by title only, please? Bill number 6579, an ordinance amending article one of chapter 505 of the municipal code by the addition of a new section 505.110 relating to removal of trees located in the right ofway city parks and other public spaces. Okay.

Um good evening. This came about because uh there have been several instances of residents removing streets in the trees in the public rightway or developers removing trees in the public rightway without proper approval. Um we looked at the code and there is really no fine or for such. Um so we wanted to in um create add that to the code and we based it on what the MSD would provide to the city on theirs. We simplified the overall um cost estimates of that to the chart you have it packet. Um and that would be um as established by the parks and recreation department for similar cost uh DBH diameter.

So why don't you explain how that would work? Um, so if we caught them after the fact, we would base it on we would have to determine what the size of that tree was and the cost estimate to ask that they um reimburse the city for that. If it's caught um during plan review, then we would provide them with that cost estimate beforehand before approval of any permits. Okay. And um what what if any efforts will the city take to uh educate the residents that the tree lawn what's going on in the tree lawn belongs to the city?

Um we can certainly work with Michelle Ber on providing that information. Um also in the packet for the uh folks who pick up a permit that information would be put in there as well. Yeah. I'm I'm talking more about just in general if someone's not doing work on their house and they just they get tired of a a tree in their tree lawn and they decide to take it down. Um you know what what notice do they have that they can't do that? Um well no ignorance of the law that was the [laughter] instance right

um so we can certainly work with Michelle Ber on protecting the tree line that where their property line is. They are to maintain the high grass and weeds within that tree line, but uh they just can't remove a tree. Yeah. Okay. I think that's probably not a bad idea because I see signs in tree lawns. You know, there are a lot of things in the tree lawns and and I think uh people don't realize that um again they don't that's that's city's right property. Okay. Alderman Gold, I know we have um I think an assessment of city owned trees. You know, there's some website or something. It's on the city website. Yes. All the city trees. Do we update that? And and do those have the diameter of the trees? Yes.

Associated with them? They do. It's up to date. So there wouldn't be I mean other than a we we can go back and and find some evidence of absolutely of what tree was where if if we find one has been removed and stump ground up and all that. Okay. And does that extend to residents putting trees in the tree lawn? Is there any prohibition against that? Um, I've never had that instance come up. Eric can answer that question. Might be better. Yeah.

Yeah. It is something that the city wants to be able to do themselves and maintain. Now, we do ask and work with some homeowners once we plant trees. Uh, a lot of times they'll be very generous and help with watering and mulching and things like that. Uh, we have had instances of people contacting us and saying that they'd like a tree be placed in the tree line and we work with them and try and figure out how quickly we can get a tree. I mean, someone who wants a tree in their tree line, we're usually pretty quick about getting that in that next planting cycle. And have we have a situation where a resident just doesn't contact the city? They just go out and they plant a tree in the tree lawn.

They do. And then we have the we we go out and we have the conversation with them like, hey, you know, that's technically in the city's right away as long as the tree matches our tree list. Then we usually work with them on that. Yeah. Yeah. I just want to make sure the whichever whatever tree they plant is one that is an approved tree by the city so we don't get those dreaded trees that no one seems to like. Yes. Alderman Harter, did you have a question? No. Okay. I'm sorry. Oh, Alderman Go. Yeah. Um, and so this policy for tree removal doesn't apply to diseased trees or trees creating a public hazard. So if a neighbor has a tree that is actively dying, they can call call the city for removal or have it removed without a fine or

or if the tree is causing a major trip hazard or other major like damage to

we can have multiple things that you just said. Um, Eric, do you want to explain all that? They'll try to remind me if I missed any of them. Uh any any tree in the tree lawn is maintained by the city. So our urban forester will go out and check the health of the tree. Uh we do have a rotation. We go and check every tree by ward once every four years. We go by ward. Uh and there's other times where we get contacts and we'll go out and we check and look. If we find that the tree is diseased, we will then uh put out the notification that we will remove the tree. Uh if you're talking about trees within the private property, we we won't do that. specifically, but if we're if we're contacted about any public tree, we'll go out, we'll assess the tree, and then we'll make determination to move forward with that.

And for the damaged tree, like say the tree is starting to destroy the sidewalk or destroy like a driveway or something, they could contact you and be like, "Hey, this tree is becoming a hazard more than it has to be a public it has to be a public hazard." Um, we, you know, we try very hard not to just take down trees, take down trees. Uh a a big example is we have a lot of people who want to remove every gumball tree in the city because of uh the gumballs and and that is something we will not do. Uh something that when we wrote the policies and procedures 10 years ago probably at this point uh we made sure that we put out as strict accordance of what would count as a diseased or hazardous tree. So that is in the policy is the tree policy.

Okay. So this policy will only impact healthy trees someone just didn't like. But if the tree is unhealthy or a hazard, Yep. there's no problem removing it. Yeah. And that's something the city does. Where we see this mostly is a lot of times where either a new house is being built or they're doing renov renovations to the house and for whatever reason it's the driveway. They always want to change the driveway of where that's located and that usually is in a place where a tree is located. Yeah. But but I think in the key is uh we don't want residents just making that determination on their own. They need to contact the city and say, "Hey, there's a tripping hazard. There's it's disease." Let the city make that determination.

Yeah. [cough and clears throat] Fall from a great height on my car, I would like to stop kind of thing. Maybe it's not. Go and assess. Yeah, we will go out and assess and if we have to, we'll even bring in our contractor Davy Tree if it's something that we want to get a second opinion on. All right. Any other questions? Um, are we wanting a second read on this or if it is the wish of the board?

Anybody on the board care to make a motion for a second read on bill number 6579? If not, we will take it up at the last meeting of the year. I see no motion. So, I think we will go on and keep that as a staggered bill. Thank you. Uh, the next item is bill number 6580. Can we get a first read by title only, please? Bill number 6580, an ordinance approving the site development plan and authorizing the issuance of a new conditional use permit for kinder care to operate a daycare facility at 8109 and 811 Manchester Road in the MC Manchester corridor commercial district.

Thank you. Uh, anybody on the board have any questions? Alderman Pluffkco. Thank you. So is as I this maybe this is directed to Whitney I suppose. As I understood the discussion during the um the the public hearing. Thank you. Uh earlier tonight that one of the restrictions that was that was talked about uh in terms of traffic calming was a no left turn between the hours of 4 and 6 in the afternoon. And I I was assuming that to I was assuming I understood that to be no left turn out of the parking lot.

No, that's no left turn from Porter to Man on onto Manchester. Okay. So, but Okay. There was also the left turn on from out of the parking lot onto Porter would be assigned as local traffic only. Okay. To go left, right,

farther into the neighborhoods. So my [clears throat] question is this. At that location, the width of Manchester Road is four lanes. Correct. There is no dedicated turn lane there. So what about the additional traffic that we would anticipate in the mornings and in the evenings coming east on Manchester Road and attempting to turn left across two lanes of westbound traffic on Manchester Road.

Do you want to address that? Sure. Um, so as identified in the traffic study, we evaluated traffic at the intersection of Port Manchester, we identified that a an eastbound left turn lane meets MODOT's warrants for installation at that location. However, rebuilt the road based on rightway constraints, cost, etc. They determined that they weren't going to add left turn lanes along the route. Um so, um that was identified in the traffic study as being warranted. The level of service calculations that we do indicate that the level of service for eastbound traffic will be just fine in allowing left to be made from the through lane. And there is no the westbound right turn movement does not meet the warrant for an added.

Okay. But so the expectation will be that [cough and clears throat] either in the morning hours or the evening hours as folks are coming to either drop off kids or pick up kids there there will be somewhat of a queue at Porter on the northernmost east northernmost eastbound lane as it approaches Porter. That's the expectation. Yes.

Okay. And do you did did your survey or or your study demonstrate that you thought that that would be um more congested in the morning hours, more congested in the evening hours? Um or or roughly the same um in the morning hours. The existing and the build with Kinder Care uh for for eastbound Manchester Road both operate at level There's a about a half a second change in the delay when you add in the left turns going in the quarter in the in the afternoon. Those level of service for existing and build and again it's about a half a second delay average per vehicle added for the eastbound approach.

Okay. Thank you, Alderman. Go follow. So, the only restriction would be on Porter. The neighbors could still use Melvin or go around the block to make a left turn if that's the morning commute they have, right? They just can't use Porter. The other streets are still available for left. They could still use Porter um for a lefthand turn. Oh, yes. So, they just have to go around the the neighbors could just go around the block and make the left turn. It's just Porter we're limiting for that. Yes. Right. during 4 to 6 pm. Okay.

And for the existing people that are there today um in the morning, there's currently six people in the morning peak hour that choose to turn left out and two that choose to turn right out. In the afternoon, there's 15 people that choose to turn left out and eight that turn right out. That's existing volume [clears throat] extraordinarily low today.

Al Miller Lee, do you remember you know the concern that the one resident voiced was parking along Porter? I believe there's no parking on Porter. You know, as it stands right now,

I don't know that there's much of a need to park along Porter today. There's no demand for that, but I do not know if it's signed in that way. What I might suggest is that you would see if it becomes a problem because I don't believe it will. If you were going to drop off your Keep in mind, these children are from toddlers up to maybe four or five years old. This is pre kindergarten children. So, not a lot of parents are going to want to on the curb side and then either take their kid in or take their kid out of of the school. And I do believe that they have an adequate number of parking stalls on the site. So if it becomes a problem, I believe the city could mark that you have the authority to do so.

Okay. And then regarding parking, um you made a comment your report that in trying to determine the number of spots uh parking spots to be available, but uh there wasn't really any text regarding this type of usage was that

the city of Brentwoods code did not have the specific land use daycare included in it. Um so CBV was asked to provide a recommended rate and we used our industry standard parking generation to provide that recommendation and we are comfortable that the 38 stalls will meet the needs based on the number of children. Whitney is that just the MC district doesn't stipulate

it. It's no it's not included under the uh parking regulations off- streetet parking regulations. There is no standard for a daycare facility. So I asked Lee to provide what is the industry standard for our review. Anyone else? Alderman Gold. Yes. Um there [clears throat] is a another daycare facility along Manchester just to the west of Manchester and Brentwood. Um, do we do we know how that compares as far as number of students and number of parking spaces and all of that? Do have we did we look at that when No, I'm sorry. I did. Okay. I'm not I just was curious on comparison.

Thank you. Any other questions? Alderman Luck Mueller.

Um, maybe the applicant can kind of describe the retaining wall that's going to be needed as you cut into the hillside there. Yes, there is, as you all know, a massive, massive amount of site work that's going to be needed for this site. Um, not only is there a very large retaining wall on the north end, um, you know, that that'll also be extended along Porter, uh, as the site goes from north to south, uh, towards Manchester. Um there will be a sidewalk along the corridor and obviously fencing above the uh the retaining walls to to protect any residents um going over. I I think with regards to the specific yeah retaining wall um product, we're still trying to get our arms around the numbers. um it will look something similar very similar to these products shown um kind of in a in a as opposed to a blank uh concrete pre-cast you know we're trying to make it look a little bit elevated um we're trying to add some architectural flourishes so to speak some you know just look a little bit more like stone um understanding that it is I believe 20 feet tall on the far north

yeah 20 feet tall

23 at the the peak PE. Um, this is a really challenging site. Not only uh the grade issue, there's also shallow bedrock um that can be a challenging and we're just there there is a lot of dirt that is going to be moved in this site. So, we're trying to make we've worked with city staff and uh and the planning commission site plan subcommittee to try to um hone in on the give and takes of just the site constraints that are there. um to try to make both it uh pleasant to see from Manchester, but also for the neighbors who live in that neighborhood. Um you know, to have proper uh landscaping, to have proper lighting, and to have uh you know, a fence that um provides privacy for the neighbors that are adjacent to the north. We're trying to thread that needle of being practical with regards to um the the nature of the hardships of the site because it is it is definitely, you know, I've been with Catro for 17 years. We've developed over 200 projects. This is the most challenging from a site work. I mean, we're in the Midwest. If we were, you know, in [clears throat] in, you know, P, you know, Pennsylvania where there's a lot more topography, this is probably more standard, but, you know, it's pretty flat out here and uh and this is a pretty steep site. Um, so we're just trying to kind of balance the site as best as possible and and try to make it look aesthetically pleasing.

And then to the once again the citizen comment, did do you have a time where you have to pick up your child or they'll be sold or something? [laughter]

No, there you know uh six. That's a great question. Usually it's the pure the pure pressure of not having the last kid. Um, you know, I've been, uh, you know, there there's there is a a feeling of shame of not being the last person to pick up your children. Um, but there there are, I think, some financial penalties of consistently picking up your children late just because staff has to uh has to stay late and there's licensing that goes into it. Um, so there there are I guess well I'll say this like my our daycare that I go to it ends at um 6 pm by if you pick up your child after 5:30 they're typically some of the last there. Um this the this facility's operations hours are 6:30 p.m. it's much more generous and I think industry average and I think uh I I don't anticipate there being a huge rush at 6:29 for people to pick up their kids. Anybody who has a toddler knows that seven is usually when the wheels fall off anyways. So, it's uh you know the time you hope to be in your house. [laughter]

Anyone else? Okay. You you [clears throat] heard the applicant uh say they would be interested in a second read if the board is so inclined. If so, I just need a motion to that effect. I'll make that motion. [clears throat] Second. So, we have a motion and a second for a second read tonight. Any discussion on that motion? Alderman Ty. No, I'm definitely supportive of this project, but I think it's a complicated enough one that I really would like to have this hold over for a second read. So, I will be voting no on that. Any other discussion? Alderman Lock Miller.

Well, I I respect that. I But I think we've had two notices go out, which is one more than we usually do. uh they've been before planning and zoning twice as well as site plan and uh I think this is a a great project compared to having retail or something there that has a constant traffic flow in and out. Um so I'd be supportive of the second motion. [snorts] Any other discussion? Alderwoman Sims. What do you lose if we wait two weeks for a second read?

We don't lose anything. It's it was simply with the holidays, travel and and weather. I mean, I was I I Quattro is based out of Chicago. We've obviously done extensive work in St. Louis. Um, and I know Joel, it it was actually my request. It was purely because just knowing into the holidays, we're trying to be very sensitive of the current owner of the carburetor shop and being respectful of he's winding down his business and leaving and just if something happens for the 15th meeting, if there's weather, if there's not a corner, if there's something and it pushes into January, just purely being sensitive because we had so little turnout at the plan commission. He's totally understanding if it's

Yeah. I mean, I'm I'm in supportive of the of the project, too. pure purely because of the weather and pushing to January and being respectful of because that closing is in January, okay, with the current owners, but it's not like you're miss losing out on a contract or rate or something. Well, so the issue would be if we push into January, then you risk have [snorts] to close on the ground before we'd have the final approvals. Okay, that would be the risk. Any other discussion? If not, the motion on the table is for a second read. All in favor, please indicate by saying I. I. Any opposed? No. today. Uh, I've got a count of six to two. Six in favor to I'm sorry. Let's Let's do a roll call on that.

Just so there's no question. I apologize. Alderwoman Sims. Alderman Plefka. Awoman Ty. No. Alderwoman Gold. No. Aldwoman Sims. No. Alman Lock Miller. Yes. Alderman Gold. Yes. Awoman Harter. Yes. Autonomy Arger. Yes. Had a count of five yays, three nays. Okay. So, the motion for a second read did pass. So, with that, Mr. City attorney, can we get a second read of bill number 65 by 6580 by title only, please?

Yes. Bill number 6580, an ordinance approving the site development plan and authorizing the issuance of a new conditional use permit for Kinderare to operate a daycare facility at 8109 and 811 Manchester Road in the MC Manchester corridor commercial. Chair would entertain a motion to approve bill number 6580 into ordinance form. Motion to perfect. Second. Any discussion? Roll call, please. Plefka, yes. Awoman Ty, yes. Awoman Gold, yes. Awoman Sims, yes. Alderman Lock Miller, yes. Alderman Gold, yes. Awoman Harter, yes.

Alderman Urgger, yes. Bill number 6580 passes and now becomes ordinance number 5203. Thank you. Thank you. Congratulations. Uh brings us to the last item under new business and that is bill number 6581. Can we get a first read by title only please? Bill number 6581, an ordinance repealing ordinance number 5157 and establishing a revised compensation schedule for Brentwood employees and related matters and providing for the effective date of this ordinance. Right. Thank you. Tangela, if you would just identify yourself.

Good afternoon. Angela ordinance is to review and approve the 2026 compensation plan. Attached for this with the memo was the 2026 uniformed and non-uniform pay grids. This is using the 3.4 5 3.45% 45% CPI averaged through June and it's taking the 2025 salary grids moving them to the 2026 salary grids using the 5-year average CPI. Okay. Uh any questions? Uh are we wanting a second read on this tonight? Um no.

Nope. Um not until the 15th. 15th. Okay. Well, great. Well, thank you very much. Uh that brings us down to citizen comments. Anybody in the public care to address the board? Now is the time to do so. We have anybody online? None. Nobody. Okay. Uh we do have a request to go into close session and that is pursuant to um RS Mo 610.021. Can't see my numbers here. I'm going to say three subsection three and maybe subsection one. One, one and 12. One and 12. All right, it's closed. Okay. Uh, subsections 1 and 12. Uh, can we get a motion to that effect, please? So moved.

Second. Okay. Any discussion? Roll call, please. And I'm sorry. And to adjourn there from PFA, yes. Awoman Ty, yes. Awoman Gold, yes. Awoman Sims, yes. Alman Lock Miller, yes. Aman Gold, yes. Awoman Harter, yes. Alman Urgger, yes. Motion passes. Thank you.