Village Council - Regular Meeting

Tuesday, February 24, 2026
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About this meeting

Government Body
Village Council
Meeting Type
Village Council
Location
Wellington, IL
Meeting Date
February 24, 2026

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1427 sections (from 1,560 segments)

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Alright. I'm gonna call to order this meeting of the well Wellington Village Council from 02/24/2026. We're gonna start with unification by father Steven Thomas from Saint David's in the Pines to be followed by the Pledge of Allegiance. Please stand.

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Let us pray. Almighty God, we thank you for the freedom to govern and to lead. Bless our council members that they may use that privilege to strengthen our community and build up the common good of all our residents in justice and peace now and forevermore.

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Mr. Barnes. Alright. Brings us to the next item which is approval of the agenda. Staff recommends approval of the agenda with the following amendments. One is to take item eight b resolution number twenty twenty six dash zero seven Lotus two master plan amendment postponed to a date certain to a March 10 village council meeting. And the next item is to take item nine a and move that to be seven e as part of the consent agenda and that is the PSA agreement with Wellington Property Owner LLC. With those modifications, staff recommends approval of the

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agenda as amended. Mister Barnes, I may. Traditionally, at this time, we have at least considered, whether it was at your instruction or at miss Cohen's or at anyone's initiation, the topic of or at least a discussion on the matter of of council salaries. And so I would I would just open to my colleagues, if that's something that they want to do, that we add ordinance twenty twenty six dash 10. And that would be as nine c. But I don't know that there's any desire to do that. But if there is.

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I'd be happy to discuss.

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I don't even have the oh, I have it now.

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Consensus of counsels to add that, that would then become item nine b after having moved nine a to consent item seven e. And that would be then the last item on the agenda.

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And then we may want to vote on that alone. I don't know, but that's just throwing that out as a subject. Obviously, it would not affect miss Siskind or myself, but that is

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And just the to add to that, that does require a four fifth vote of counsel to approve. So if you're inclined to support it, then go ahead and add it to the agenda. If not, I would say that you just, you know, elect not to add it.

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I'm reading it.

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Is there a consensus to add it?

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They're reading Okay. The first I've seen it. We can put it on to talk about it. I don't wanna kill it before I when we have a chance to think about it.

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Agree.

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We're putting

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it to where? I'll move to it. That's going to be nine, the new nine b.

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Second.

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All in favor of the Aye. Agenda as amended?

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Aye. Opposed? Hearing none, agenda is approved five zero.

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With that, before we move on to presentations and proclamations at this time, council will need to consider and approve or not approve the consideration and request by the applicant for the item that is, let me just make sure I get the right number, Ordinance number 2025 dash 29 as well as ordinance number 2025Dash67 for one of their team members and experts to appear remotely and virtually. And that is something that council will need to consider and approve separately.

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Is it a request for more time or is it request for someone to appear by Zoom because they're stuck in a snowstorm?

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That it is the latter. To appear virtually. Yes.

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Our our rules speak to whether council can appear remotely for a quasi judicial proceeding, but they do not address whether a witness or an expert for the applicant can appear remotely. My recommendation to you is that you go ahead and allow it, and that, you know, they'd be given the opportunity to present that testimony tonight.

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I don't have an issue. Anyone else have an issue with them appearing remotely? No. No? Okay, fine.

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Is there a request for additional time by the applicant for the presentation?

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Good evening, Mr. Mayor, honorable council and, madam attorney. It's my understanding that we'd have twenty minutes for each application and would ask for a period of forty minutes for both applications to be heard at the same time.

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You're combining the hearings?

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Yeah. And they want go to forty minutes?

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And they would normally get thirty because they're combining?

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It's a little unclear. It says twenty minutes per application. If it's a combined application on different parcels, parcels, they would get additional time. I think, given the, complexity of the application and the public interest, I think it probably is beneficial to give them extra time. But if you're going to do that, then I would suggest that you also give the public a little extra time to make their comments.

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I would agree with that. And I inclined would to give the applicant an additional the total of thirty minutes instead of forty, and give public comment five minutes instead of three.

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That would my suggestion. But if we're to give public commenters five minutes. From three. And we're only giving them ten extra minutes?

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From 20 up to 10 instead of getting a full ten.

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Right. So I mean, I think that if we're giving 50% more time, I would give the public four minutes. I I don't care if five minutes is fine. I'd give them the forty two. Don't know

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if 50% more of three isn't four. It's like three and a half.

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Right. So I would Four

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and half. I would give

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them This is getting complicated.

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Difference does it make?

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Why don't we just do forty and five?

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Alright. Forty forty and five.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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You don't have to use it all.

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Sounds like a previous mayor, I

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Alright. Now, mister Barnes.

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Alright. Brings us to presentations and proclamations. And at this point, we have a presentation by mister Doug Crane, Palm Beach County Library System Director.

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Good evening. Good evening.

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Thank you very much for having me here, mayor, town village council members. I do want to give a quick shout out to council member McGovern who serves on the library advisory board and help facilitate my being here tonight.

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Thank you for coming.

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Okay. Thank you. With me today is Jessica Burkheimer who is the manager for the Wellington Branch. And for the record, my name is Doug Crane. I'm the director for the Palm Beach County Library System and a past manager for the Wellington Branch Library here. I served as a manager from 2007 to 2013. Today, I'm here to discuss the library and I want to first of all thank the village for being part of the Palm Beach County Library District. Your support over the years has been very instrumental in keeping our library district thriving. You know, when I meet people who learn that I'm the library director, there's one of two responses. One is they just gush about how much they love their local library.

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The other sometimes is they ask, why do we still have libraries? So, as much as I'm gonna share today, I do wanna do get that response. I let people know that libraries really serve a valuable role in our community as that vital third space in the community where people can go, meet their neighbors, and they don't have to buy a latte and a lemon loaf to stick around. They're welcome to stay there as long as they like. Plus, I'm going to be showing you some numbers and statistics that show that the community is turning out for libraries across the county in record numbers.

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The presentation I'm going to provide is also available in the packet that you have in front of you, which contains other information about the library. So our library has a vision to open minds to a world of unlimited possibilities. We believe that libraries are places where people bring their hopes, their dreams, their ambitions, and we provide the resources and services to let them live that out. And we do that through our mission to connect communities, inspire thought, and enrich lives. Now the first thing you should know about our library system is it's big and busy.

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You can see some of our statistics from last year. 2,680,000 visits to Palm Beach County Libraries. 8,800,000 items borrowed. 353,000 people use library meeting rooms and study rooms. We actually served over 50,000 meals and snacks as part of our summer meal service with the school district. We had over fifty thousand hours of volunteering. We are in fact one of the big six public library systems in the state of Florida. What's our service area? Well, have 18 locations spread from the Quest in the North down through the central part of the county all the way out to Western Boca. And then out here through the Western communities, the way to the shores of Lake Okeechobee where we have three locations.

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And we were able to reach this point through Library Expansion Program two, which was a voter approved bond initiative that allowed us to do, add three new libraries, replace three old buildings with new buildings, and expand three buildings. One of which was the Wellington Branch in 2005, where we expanded it from 8,000 square feet to 30,000 square feet. Sorry, 2007. And we also have a support facility called the Library Annex on Cherry Road, where we run our bookmobile and other outreach services. You might be familiar where it is, because it is right now hidden behind the giant Supervisor Of Elections Garage as our new neighbor to the south.

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Our most recent location is Canyon Branch in Western Boynton. It opened just shy of a year ago in the Canyon Town Center, which is about a mile west of the Turnpike off of Boynton Beach Boulevard. And it is truly a beautiful building. If you're ever in that part of the county, please drop in for a visit. You can see from the map here all of our locations.

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And some of you might be wondering, hey, how come you don't have locations on the coast? Well, that's because our county library system was designed to serve the unincorporated areas of Palm Beach County, and we're set up through a state statute that also created the dependent taxing district that funds our library. The statute also allowed municipalities to join, and we have 24 municipalities that are part of the district, including the village Of Wellington. We've actually kept our millage rate steady since 2011, and we have operating budget this year of $116,000,000 And as a dependent district under the board of county commissioners, we have to balance our own budget, we have to keep our own reserves, and we have to fund our own capital. So when you look on your taxing line, you see the line for libraries.

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That money only goes to libraries, it doesn't go anywhere else. Now, those other municipalities though, we have a cooperative agreement with them, so residents of these nine municipalities can get a card with the county library system and our residents can get a card with them. Allows us to cover almost the entire geography of Palm Beach County. Now, when you think of libraries, obviously you think of books, and we certainly have a very large collection, over 2,000,000 items available for loan. These include print and electronic materials.

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So if you're fancy holding a book, which a lot of people still do, or downloading it to your favorite electronic device, along with movies and streaming music, you can do that as well with your library card, no charge. We also have some special items such as WiFi hotspots. This is a device you can take anywhere in the country where you have a T Mobile connection, and you can actually connect up to eight devices to it. And you can borrow it for three weeks. We also have our award winning birding backpack program, which is an actual backpack containing binoculars, both adult and kid size, that you can take out into our natural areas for bird watching.

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And if you were scared about coming to the library because of overdue fines, don't worry. The Board of County Commissioners allowed us to get rid of those in 2019. If you fail to return a book, we just don't let you take out anymore until you return that book. Now, if you people have questions, I know a lot of times people when they have research, they go to Google or nowadays ChatGDP or other AI tools. But in libraries, we believe in natural intelligence.

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Our humans will provide you with answers. In fact, we had over 940,000 questions answered in our libraries. Plus, if you're worried about the quality of your information, we subscribe to high quality databases where you can get things such as Consumer Reports, the Palm Beach Post. They're on a variety of different topics. You know, AI has a problem of hallucinations.

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I guarantee you my staff do not hallucinate when they answer questions for you. We also have special librarians able to answer your questions. One I'll highlight is our government research librarian. If the village ever has questions that are beyond your staff's time or attention to be able to handle, you can actually direct them to us, and we will do responses to your questions and give you a packet of information. A good example, I was at the school district meeting last week, and they showed me a wall that they created of portraits of all the prior school superintendents.

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Well, when they started building that, they were actually missing photos of a number of the older superintendents. And they reached out to us and we're able to fill that gap. They're very happy. As a former children's librarian, children's services in the heart and soul of public libraries in my opinion, We have activities for children and the Wellington branch is one of the busiest locations for children's activities. Quite often you come to our story times, we fill the room with kids. We have a lot of different activities. One of my favorites, you can see in the photo here, is called ARFF, Animal Reading Friends. When children are beginning to read, sometimes they're a little self conscious about reading to an adult. Well, the ARFF brings in therapy dogs who will sit there and the child will be able to read to the dog and feel less self conscious. And it's just very cute to see.

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So if you ever want to come over and watch it, you're welcome to. We also service teens. We have a lot of teen activities as well. So if you want to get the kids out of the house, off their devices, have them come to the library and Jessica's team will have activities for them ready to go. We also reach out from beyond our buildings.

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Our new bookmobile seen here in the photo, visits up to 42 stops over a two week period across Palm Beach County, reaching those areas where people have difficulty visiting one of our branches. If you have residents who are homebound, we will actually mail books to their home, and they can mail them back free of charge through the mail. Plus for those who are blind or visually impaired, whether permanently or temporarily, we have Talking Books for the Blind, which is a program that sends devices that they can actually have the books read to them. And they're designed specifically for visually impaired folks. And for residents who have trouble reading at an adult level, we have the Adult Literacy Project that connects volunteer tutors with adults.

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We also reach out into the community. We are a founding member of the Literacy Coalition of Palm Beach County, plus we have arrangements with the school district. Our most significant one is summer lunches. So during June and July, at all of our locations, kids 18 and younger can come in and get a free meal. Plus during the They also get a snack in the afternoon.

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And actually during the school year, we have weekend meal kits where people can come in, get a kit of food and take it home with them to feed the family. And here at Wellington, we actually have an after school snack program because I have so many kids who come over from Elbridge Gale and we realized a little while back that their behavior is tied to their hunger. So if we can actually feed them, they're actually much better behaved in the library, which is very nice. We have a collaboration with the Norton Art Gallery called Books plus Art, where we will choose a book based on an item in their collection. We'll do the book discussion at the library, and then we'll go to the art gallery for a gallery tour.

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Plus, are probably familiar with our libraries being early voting sites. Wallington has been an early voting site ever since it expanded. And I'm sure many of you are familiar with going over there and campaigning or voting at the library. Final fact I'll share is that we also have a lot of activities for adults. As you can see, we're very popular.

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We're also one of the largest computer training organizations, anything from a mouse, learning to use a mouse, to Word, to educational multimedia software. Our Wellington branch is one of the locations that has a creation station, which is a digital media lab where you can do videos, audio, photos. We have software, we have musical instruments, we have cameras, we have lighting, all that you need. Right now we're in the middle of Writers Live, where we bring national authors down to our libraries for book discussions, and we also celebrate the different cultures of the make Palm Beach County its home. Right now, we are finishing up our celebration of Black History Month.

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Now, I will invite, in fact, even so far as challenge the council members to join us in our 2026 campaign to rediscover reading. The Board of County Commissioners issued a proclamation, marketing 2026 is a year to come back to reading. If you have not been reading for pleasure, and reading for pleasure has been scientifically shown to have great health, wellness benefits, as well as social benefits. It combats loneliness. It actually increases social connection as people want to share what they're reading.

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And reading for pleasure is much different than reading for work or scrolling on your phone. So we're inviting you all to join. In fact, I think a little later in the year we're going to be reaching out to all of the council members in our municipalities to invite them to share their favorite books, and we'll promote that on our social media. We also have a tool called Beanstack that allows you to keep track of your reading, and you can actually challenge other people to join in. I was at the Village Royal Palm last week, and the council was gonna challenge each other to read as many books as possible.

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So you don't want all that Royal Palm Beach you, right? So Finally, about your home location, the Wellington branch, we offer seven day a week service. It opened in 1997 as an 8,000 square foot facility. It was expanded in 2006, and opened in 2007 as its current 30,000 square foot building, making it one of our larger libraries in the system. And we recently completed a renovation in 2021 that brought it to its current design and fixed some issues we had with the lighting and other nagging issues with the building.

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We have a large meeting room and a conference room that are reservable by the public if they wish to use it, and if anyone view the village wants to use it for any reason, you can reach out to Jessica and she can help facilitate you using that building. The Creation Station Digital Media Lab I mentioned along with early voting. Plus, your residents can visit any one of our 18 locations and use their library card there. Your two closest neighboring libraries are Royal Palm Beach and Green Acres. The last thing I want to share with the council before I open it up for any questions is some sort of late breaking news.

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At the beginning of the month, the Board of County Commissioners held a budget retreat. You may have viewed it because it certainly pertains to what the county is doing. I know the municipalities are always interested in knowing. The last half hour of that budget retreat, presented on libraries. And I got the approval from the Board of County Commissioners to do three things. First of all, we are looking to do a capital campaign to go around and renovate every one of our locations. Because we have a lot of locations that have not seen some love and attention for a few years now. Now your branch, of course, just recently received it, but it is in the campaign as one of the branches we'd reach at the end. It's about fifteen, twenty years for us to go between renovations. So that would be there.

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Also, we got permission to pursue the idea of a new main library. Our current main library on Summit Boulevard is very outdated. It's our oldest building. It's also very small when you compare it to other main libraries across Florida. We're looking to expand it to a 150,000 square foot building with a lot of amenities that we believe not only that local community could use, but the whole county can take part in, including a large civic center space to be able to sit 600 and other things that will be unique to that building, plus make it an architecturally significant location.

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The third piece that the board is pursuing is they've asked us to come back with language to potentially have another ballot initiative for voters to provide, allow us to go for bonds to facilitate the campaign, capital campaign. Our last one was in 2002, where we got 69% of the vote approval for that. Our prior one in 1986 got 67% of the vote. So we are still watching though to see what comes out of Tallahassee regarding any potential property tax reform

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Which may affect our ability to put something on the ballot. But if that were to happen, I'm gonna make sure all of our municipalities are aware because that money will allow us to accelerate a capital campaign to ensure that all our libraries are beautiful places to be. Finally, I just have our contact information in there, so if you have any questions after this presentation, feel free to reach out to us. We're more than happy to support our municipalities. And with that, I close my presentation and I'm happy to answer any questions you may have.

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Thank you, Doug, and thank you, Jessica, for coming out and letting people know that the library has more than just books. And I think I speak for all of us. We love our local branch, especially since it's been renovated five years ago. So thanks for the update. Appreciate it.

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The work that you all do there for our children particularly and the kids from Elbridge Gale that go there every day, I mean, is a great resource to the community.

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Thank you very much.

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Thank you.

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Thanks. Appreciate it. No questions. Easy one.

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No questions. Excellent. Well, thank you very much.

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Mister Barnes. That brings us to

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the consent agenda and staff recommends approve the consent agenda as amended. Is there a

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motion to approve? Do have any cards in the consent agenda?

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On consent, no. Okay. I'll move to approve.

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Second. Consent.

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All in favor? Aye. Aye. Posed, passes five zero.

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Alright. That brings us to public hearings. First item on public hearings is resolution number 2026Dash04 Wellington Village, formerly known as K Park Conditional Use for Pod A School. And mister Sillings and his team are here. And miss Hall will read the resolution by title.

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Resolution number R2026Dash04, a resolution of Wellington Florida's council approving a conditional use for certain property known as K Park totaling approximately 71.27 acres more or less located on the Southwest Corner of Stribling Way and US 441 State Road 7. As more specifically described herein, to allow a 1,750 student private school with outdoor recreational facilities within pod A of the Wellington Village MUPD, providing a conflicts clause, providing a severability clause, and providing an effective date.

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All right.

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Who's up? Whose item?

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Did you swearing or?

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Yes. I'm sorry. Oh, there you go. And if you intend to be heard on this item, would you raise your right hand? Do you swear or affirm that the testimony you're about to give will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? Yes. Okay. And disclosures?

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Sorry, councilman. Karen Young, Kevin Ryan, Jeffrey Clark staff and my husband just talked about really the finalization of this and and and what that means for Wellington and I can be fair and impartial.

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I'll talk

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to Mike back.

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Village staff for me and I can be fair and impartial.

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I spoke with Jeff Clark, Karen Young, Kevin Ryan, our staff about the scholarship program, and I can be fair and impartial.

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My disclosures are the same. I talked to the team for the applicant to our staff, and that's it. And I can be fair and impartial.

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I spoke to staff and I can be fair and impartial. Thank you.

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Good evening. Kelly Ferriolo, Planning and Zoning. Before you tonight is the continuation of the hearing for the conditional use request petition twenty twenty five dash zero zero zero one dash c u for 1,750 student private school within pod a of the Wellington Village PUD, which I would like to enter all files into the record. The request was postponed at the February 10 council meeting in order to give Wind Grove Academy additional time to finalize the scholarship program dedicated for Wellington residents. Staff has no additional presentations. We're going to give the floor to the applicant.

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Good evening. Good evening. Lindsay Jean Louis with Urban Design Studio. Thank you, Kelly. Again, you guys did see the full presentation at the February 10 council meeting, so we do want to get right into the matter discussing the scholarship. So I'd like to bring up Jeff Clark with Wingrove Academy to discuss what's presented.

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Thank you. Perfect. Thank you. Mister Clark. Hi. Good evening. Jeff Clark. I'm chair and CEO for Elevate Ed. We're working to develop Wingrove Academy, and I'm excited to present to you our our $10,000,000 commitment to Wellington families as part of the scholarship fund tonight. I have six things I wanna talk through on the scholarship program itself, and then I wanted to also address the community use aspect of of Wind Grove Academy as part of Wellington, Village Of Wellington.

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So as I said, we, are excited to, commit to a minimum of a $10,000,000 scholarship program specifically earmarked for village of Wellington students. There are six things I just wanna walk through quickly. The first is the student eligibility criteria. So when we think about who would be eligible for for an for a scholarship at Wind Grove Academy, it would you'd have to be reside in the village, you'd have to qualify for admission and you'd also have to qualify for financial aid. Part of our amount of the award that is granted to each applicant is based solely upon demonstrated financial need.

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So it's a need based scholarship program that is dedicated to students here. And one of the things I think that is important to note is when somebody is admitted to, the school and are awarded a financial aid through scholarship, we want to make sure that they have the opportunity to continue their education, not just for one year, but for what as many years that as they're at the school. So for instance, if you're admitted in ninth grade, we would assume that you're gonna also be awarded in tenth grade, eleventh grade, and twelfth grade as long as you're in good academic standing, good disciplinary standing, and still demonstrate financial need. So part of the program is structured around what is demonstrated in need and what are the grades that students are applied at. So let me get to the next part about what is the time frame that we expect this to be awarded in and how many students may actually benefit from the program.

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Based upon our current projections, we expect that we would be awarding this $10,000,000 scholarship program over our first five years of operations within the village of Wellington. That'll we expect it to impact more than a 100 students. And again, it'll all depend on what grade students apply for, how many applicants we have, and how many students qualify for that. As part of our commitment to this program, we want you to know that we're happy to report on this on an annual basis. So on an ongoing basis, we'll come back to the council here to provide an update to say how many students are benefiting, how have we progressed against the our commitment of the 10,000,000 and to show the continued impact.

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Beyond financial impact for the community, we also want to commit to allowing our facilities to be also used by village of Wellington community uses whether that be civic, cultural or other type of youth serving groups. We want to open up our facilities that we're building so that others can benefit from the program. So we're excited to be a part of the community. We've been here a few times now talking about the school. As you know, it is a significant project and significant undertaking that we have a lot of support from the community related to Ross, others to help us move forward with this project.

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And so with this, we're excited to commit to the MOU that we put forward as a part portion of our commitment to the conditional use for school use that lays out all the details for both the scholarship program and the community use. With that, I'd be happy to answer any questions that you may have.

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I'm certain we have questions, I know two people in particular, Councilwoman Silvestri and Councilman McGovern have the most questions on this item, so I'll let you go first.

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I'm personally pleased with what you came up with. I think it's great. And I don't remember if you said it in here, but I know you're gonna come annually and give us updates. If you could just take a moment, and this doesn't have to do with this post. Since we put this on consent, can you talk a little bit about the PSA and what that means just to clear it up for anyone who doesn't understand what we did?

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Sure. Yeah, we very much support that amendment to the PSA. So what the amendments to the PSA means is that in partnership with related Ross and Steve Ross, they've agreed to support the purchase of the land immediately for the school. And so that while we're continuing our fundraising process, we're able to honor any commitments that we have to the village of Wellington. We have an agreement with them that is the same as we did with the village of Wellington that we're able to be exclusive purchaser of the land in order to build a school there.

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So there's no change to any of those aspects of it. If anything, it's really a vote of confidence of where we are in the progress that we're making that related Ross would support our efforts because where they see we're at, that they're willing to provide financing right now in order to make sure the land is purchased so that we can stay on a time line that we've laid out to you before.

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Okay. Thank you.

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Any other questions? Go ahead, Councilwoman.

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The 10,000,000, is that gonna be put in a separate account? And you might have mentioned, and I was writing notes. So I just wanna make sure that that is going to be placed in safety purposes, and it will remain in an account just for the scholarships?

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Yes. That's earmarked, dollars that we would set aside specifically for village of Wellington students. We've committed that and we'll, use all best efforts to deploy that as soon as practical. And so under our current assumptions, we're estimating the amount of students and the timing, but we think that there will be more than a 100 students and we think it will be in approximately five years that we would deploy all those funds.

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And the management of that will be with wind growth?

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Correct. Yes. And that we report on it annually here. So there's accountability that you can see what that is. Of course, after those funds that are earmarked and advantage for village of Wellington students, we'll continue our traditional financial aid program. And we've also committed in the MOU that village of Wellington students would have equal access to all of our financial aid admissions along with any other students. So the way I'd characterize it is Village of Wellington is is advantage for the first $10,000,000 and then treated equally with anybody else that is applying after that.

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Councilman?

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I know when we talked about this, you talked about you had advised me, you and Karen, a discussion of that we wanted to make sure that if we give a scholarship to a child that they would then be able to finish school. Correct. So let me understand. So I understand when we say for the first five years. Right? I get that if we gave that to a ninth grader, that would get them through graduation. But if we gave it to a third grader, that likely would not get them past eighth grade. How would how do you envision that working?

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We would include them as part of our regular financial aid program. So as we report back to the village, we would, we would be reporting two things. We're reporting both what has been awarded, the amount that has actually been granted, and our anticipated commitment. So if it was a fifth grader for instance, we would look at it as a nearly eight year commitment. We would be making an assumption that the student would still have demonstrated financial need. We would assume that the student would still be in academic good standing. We'd assume that the student is still in good disciplinary hearing. So when we report back, we would say, x amount has been awarded and x amount is anticipated committed to that. Our $10,000,000 commitment is award. And so commitments would extend beyond, the award period.

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And the and the reporting back as to Wellington students attendance and matriculation at the school Yes. Does that continue until the 10,000,000 is gone or that's something that will always happen by way of some kind of letter report to the village council or the village manager?

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We'll defer to you on that. We're gonna be good citizens of of the village of Wellington. I would assume that it it would be a verbal report until all $10,000,000 is fully awarded. And after that, it may be written. But if, there's something that people want differently, we would certainly, we would certainly provide that. In addition to those support What's that?

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I'd love to still have annual updates cause you're gonna be a school in Wellington. Sure. We'd still wanna know what's going on. So I would like

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that to be happy to

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do that. Yeah.

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Well, I'm very glad we sent you back to the drawing board to come up with a more concrete plan for the scholarship program. You were you were, I think, surprised by the question last time. It didn't. Now it's more concrete, and I'm glad we're also finalizing the shared use agreement because those are the two things that were big motivators for us to move forward with Wingrove, which wasn't Wingrove at the time. But making sure that Wellington kids had a financial opportunity to go to the school and that there was gonna be a shared use of the facilities you guys build like we have with other like we have the school district now where we have shared use of of their facilities. So I'm glad those two things have been finalized and and flushed out more than they were the last time we talked about this.

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Yeah. We are as well. Thank you.

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And have these items been has this the $10,000,000 commitment and the and what you've walked us through here, has this been written as a condition in some way?

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It has not yet. No, sir.

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How we how we

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recommend would that they be included as a condition of the approval pursuant to the items that mister Clark outlined.

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And you're you're in agreement with that?

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Yes. And we provided MOU to be included as part of the conditions.

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Okay. Yeah. Any other question? Oh, it's a public hearing item. So we have a motion to open public hearing. So moved.

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Second.

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All in favor? Aye. Aye. Public hearing is now open. Madam Weissman.

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We do have one card. Bruce Tooman.

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Good evening, sir. Three minutes. Name and address.

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Do I get three or five minutes?

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You get three on this item.

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Okay. My name is Bruce Tooman, and my primary and homesteaded zero lot line property is 752 Lake Wellington Drive in the village of Wellington. There were a lot of studies conducted by our staff, but I really didn't see anything that talked about taxation. Has staff provided property tax studies? How much taxes will we this private school pay us? How much will we lose by having this school here? A veteran community like ours forces homeowners to pay most of the cost to run our village. Not only property taxes, but also water, sewage, trash, and recycling fees. And don't forget, ACME Improvement District, as well as admission fees for our facilities as we pay. Our state is thinking about eliminating property taxes and home rule, unfortunately.

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Maybe taking away taking this out of your out of your picture, maybe better for our property owners and voters. A couple things though that I was interested in, the Florida School Voucher Program is gonna be playing here, are they gonna make money off the school vouchers? No use for seniors? Oh, come on. We could the seniors can use that facility too, can't we? And did ACME Improvement District, in a actual official meeting, vote to sell this property? Thank you.

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Thank you, sir. Any other cards?

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No. Not on this item.

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Anyone else wish to speak on the item? If not, we're gonna have a motion to close public hearing.

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So moved. Second.

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All in favor? Aye. Aye. Public hearing is now closed. Any further discussion or motion?

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I think this is a good commitment and it shows strength of the partnership that we've been looking for with Wingrove, for Wellington, kids. I think it's important that we have the MOU in the condition as as, has been agreed to here. So with the caveat that those things are going to be finalized as has been discussed here, I'll move to approve resolution twenty twenty six dash zero four.

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Second.

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All in favor? Aye. Aye. Opposed? Hearing none. Passes five zero. Thank you very much. Mister Barnes.

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That brings us to our next item, which is resolution number 2025Dash67, Isla Carol Polo and Residences PUD Master Plan and ordinance number twenty twenty five dash twenty nine, Isla Carol Polo and Residences Rezoning. Resolution number R 2025Dash67, a resolution of Wellington, Florida's council approving the master plan for Isla Carapolo And Residences planned unit development located approximately 1,350 feet south of Pearson Road on the west side of 120th Avenue South, totaling 79.17 acres more or less as more specifically described herein. To adopt the Isla Carol Polo in Residence's master plan, to designate a 44.84 acre residential pod with 27 single family dwelling units, to designate a 34.33 acre club amenity pod with equestrian facilities to adopt a project standards manual providing a conflicts clause, providing a severability clause, and providing an effective date. Ordinance number 2025Dash29, an ordinance of Wellington, Florida's council approving a rezoning for certain property known as Isla Caro Polo And Residences located approximately 1,350 feet south of Pearson Road on the West side of 120th Avenue South, totaling 79.17 acres more or less as more specifically described herein. To amend the zoning designation from equestrian residential, equestrian overlay zoning district to plan unit development, equestrian overlay zoning district, providing a conflicts clause, providing a severability clause, and providing an effective date.

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If you intend to

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be heard on this item, would you raise your right hand, Do you swear or affirm that the testimony you're about to give will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? Yes. Okay. Ex party disclosures, please.

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Councilwoman.

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Neil Schiller, Glenn Fleisher, Judy Sloan, Ash Atkinson, Christy Lund, Frank McCourt, Johnny Meyer, Tatiana Yakis, Paige Nunez, John Green, staff, and my husband.

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And generally describe the substance of those communications.

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The project and the effects it could have on the equestrian preserve, and I can be fair and impartial.

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Staff, the applicant, Neil Schiller. Oh, this is just since the last time. Right? Not we don't have to go back and do our whole

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Okay. Don Dufresne, John Green, Murray Kessler, Ash Atkinson, Louis Rodriguez, Cheryl Anders, Rachel Edelman, Jeff Robert, Liz Mariaca. The discussions were just the iterations that the project is going through since the first reading and its impacts, and I can be fair and impartial.

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I'm gonna add Liz Mariocca and Don Dufresne.

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Thank you. I

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spoke with staff. I spoke with Neil Schiller. I spoke with my wife, John Bowers, Tatiana Yakis, Paige Nunez, Brett Winter, Steve Levin, Sergio Guerrero, Annabelle Garrett, Don Dufresne, Pam Wildman, Judy Sloan, Kristi Lund, Glenn Fleisher, Layton Jordan, Sarah Goose, John Green, Liz Mariaca, Roxanne Stein. And I read all the emails we got, and I generally about the project, pros and cons, what the impact would be on Wellington, and whether people like it or didn't like it, and I can be fair and impartial.

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Thank you.

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I spoke with the entire with the team for the applicant. I spoke with Sarah Goose, Annabel Garrett, Judy Sloan, Ash Atkinson, and Christy Lund from our EPC. I spoke with Liz Mariaca, John Bowers, and Michael Drehaus from the PZAB. I spoke with John Green from the ARB. I spoke with former mayor, Margolis, with Don Dufresne from the TDD, with from with Mary Lou Bedford from the Central Palm Beach Chamber of Commerce.

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I spoke with, Lewis Jacobs, Mark Bellissimo, Doug McMahon, Doug Marty, Michael Prince, Maureen Brennan. I believe I spoke to Sergio Guerrero, Brian Seymour, Chip McKenney, Kathleen Gannon, I believe. And I briefly spoke to Matt Forrest today asking me if this was still being heard tonight. I read all of the emails. I spoke with staff, and my discussions, like the others, were about the iterations of the project, the impact the impact on the positive impact on Polo, the negative impact on the equestrian preserve, and everything in between. I also spoke with my wife, Michelle McGovern, and I can be fair and impartial.

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Thank you.

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I read the emails that we have received. Staff, Annabelle Garrett, Randy Hosperod, Christy Lund, Maureen Brennan, Glenn Fleisher, Tatiana Yakas, Liz Mariaca, my husband, John Bowers, Mary Lou Bedford, mister Schiller. I can be fair and impartial, and the conversation was regarding the application. Thank you.

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Just a bit of housekeeping. Our expert witness is having trouble logging in.

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She's in now.

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Oh, she's in now? Okay. All good.

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Okay. Good.

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Hold on. Ready?

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I go first.

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Before you tonight is the final reading of the rezoning petition number 2025Dash0004DashREZ and master plan petition number 2025Dash0002DashMPFor Isla Carroll Polo and Residences located on located on 1 20th Avenue South directly north of the National Polo Center for which I would like to officially enter into the record. Since the first reading of the rezoning back in January, the applicant has made various modifications to the master plan including reducing the number of single family units from 40 units to 27 units, which four of those are larger lots to accommodate small equestrian farms. Increase the size of the club equestrian amenity pod and reducing the size of the residential pod and adding a 10 stall barn, groom's quarters and exercise arena to the equestrian complex. The applicant is a hundred and twentieth Avenue South LLC and the agent is Seth Bain with Lewis, Longman and Walker. The applicant's team will provide their presentation first and staff will follow after.

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I hit this button here. Almost a pro. Good evening, mayor, village council, staff. My name is Neil Schiller with government law group 137 Northwest 1st Avenue in in Delray Beach, Florida. I'm here tonight representing the Isla Carroll project and 120 Avenue South.

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Before I begin, everybody that's here to support the project, if you would just wave to the commission or council in support. Thank you so much. I'm submitting these expert reports. There are eight different letters, expert letters and reports that are being handed out to you now for the record. That's what's in the They're all the same. Before we begin, I would like to ask mister Frank McCourt to say a few words in as the introduction to the presentation.

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Yep. My name is Frank McCourt. I live at 3500 Ambassador Drive here in Wellington. Good evening, one and all. On behalf of the entire team, I wanted to express my appreciation for the opportunity to present to you again this evening.

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We listened very, very carefully at the first hearing. And as I think you'll see, we've incorporated your feedback into our plan. I might add, we've gone above and beyond at considerable cost and expense. I'm going to let Neil and my colleagues get into the details. I'll close by simply saying that my firm has over 35,000,000 square feet currently in development around the world.

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Not a single one of those multitude of projects has gotten more time, my personal time and attention. And I've I've I've done so because I'm a proud resident of Wellington and deeply engaged in the equestrian community. And I and I and I want to do everything to ensure that this is an exemplary addition both to this beautiful village and to the equestrian community that so defines it. Thank you very much.

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Thank you, Frank. Okay. Let's get into it. So we're at second reading of the rezoning from equestrian residential to plain unit development. And we are also seeking master plan approval and as you know, your staff report does recommend approval. Here is an aerial specifically of EOD sub area d which we're going to speak a lot about tonight. I just wanted to orient you. As you remember, this is the permitted as of right plan, not equestrian focus nor equestrian serving. No direct public benefit or public access. And most importantly, no guaranteed equestrian amenity with this plan.

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You may remember this from almost a year and a half, two years ago, our original master plan. After we withdrew that master plan, we went back to the drawing board and came up with this revised master plan which you saw several month ago, a month ago. This is 40 lots and today we are proposing master plan three point o which has some significant changes I'm about to show you right here. So, first and foremost, we removed 13 units, a third of the project. We increased the average lot size to point seven one acres.

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We increased the open space of the project to more than 70%. On the north side of the project, you see the four two acre farm lots. On the northwest corner of the project is a three lake acre lot that is dedicated to new resident equestrian amenities. A 10 stall barn with groomsmen's quarters where we'll have permanent horses on-site. Paddocks, a walker, and a covered exercise ring.

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If you move to the southwest corner of the property, we are talking about an external connection to the bridal trails systems. And then on the southeast corner of the property, you see increased trailer parking and tailgating area for Isla Carroll polo matches. And in all totality, these changes have resulted in a project loss of $30,000,000. Here is a new rendering of the project. You can see the Isla Carroll Field displayed prominently.

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In your four view is Lot 27, a one of those two acre farm lots. And as you move further west along the property, you can see the Isla Caro Polo Club, some additional farm lots and the smaller lots and then the equestrian amenity in the Northwest corner. This is we've laid out a what a sample equestrian farm lot could look like. Everything included with a home, a pool, paddock, sand ring, barn and a manure bin. And obviously, whoever purchases these properties will have the opportunity to develop them as they see fit.

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But the resident equestrian amenities will be developed as we show here. Again, a three acre lot. We have a 10 stall barn with groomsmen quarters that is around 8,000, a little over 8,000 square feet. Four paddocks, a walker of 3,800 square feet and an outdoor exercise ring area, arena and ring that will be covered that is just under 23,000 square feet and over a guaranteed 45,000 square feet of improved equestrian amenity space as part of this design and this program and this project. Here is a rendering of the new equestrian amenity area.

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You can see the exercise arena which will be covered, but we wanted it uncovered to show you. A walker and four paddocks and then that 10 stall barn in a beautiful drive up area. Here is the same obviously same amenities in a different viewpoint, so you get a sense of how this interacts with the rest of the community. And this is my favorite rendering because not only does it show this beautiful new equestrian amenity that meets your code, but it also shows you what these smaller lots will look like as part of the project. The barn program for the new resident equestrian amenity, I have to be very specific, is resident only.

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No guests, no members, no public, residents only. We expect this barn to be for beginners and intermediates. 100% supervision. We will have grooms and trainers on-site. It is a neighborhood scale facility to limit for safe and calm operation.

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Again, emphasis on English writing and basics. And with small group or private lessons and supervised writing and safe schooling. Here is the Aisle Caro Polo Club as you've seen previously with all the different amenities that any polo enthusiast would love including an Asado lawn as we described at the last meeting. Here's a public view of the Polo Field from the Isla Caro Polo Club. And here is a view of the club from the field.

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Our bridal trail is more than one and a quarter miles long. And again, this is a resident only amenity. All of our equestrian amenities but for the Polo Field were resident only. We have went back after our last meeting to figure out how we could connect to the overall Wellington Trail system. We believe we found the right way to do it with a historical access easement along 35th that could connect to the Gray Trail.

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Again, sorry, resident only. And now I'd like to introduce Bob McMurtry, Interim COO of the United States Polo Association to talk about the relationship we have with Can

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you just go back to the trail slide for one second?

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Sure. This one?

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Okay. Yeah. I'm sorry. No. And No. The one after that. Yes. So then this connects to the to the Gray Trail. Is that what you're

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Yes. We It provides It could provide a connection. Yes. There's a gate there right now that would have to be improved.

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And who whose gate is that?

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Southfields? Southfields HOA. Okay. Thank you.

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Mhmm. Do you need permission of Southfields HOA to connect to that bridal trail?

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We'll have to achieve that. Yes.

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Do you have that right now?

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We do not have that right

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now. Are you in discussions or negotiations with Southfield to get that?

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Well, we have the access easement, but we don't I'll get to that I'll get to that question. Okay. Can we finish our presentation, please? Bob. Come on up and talk about United States Polo Association.

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Good evening, mayor and council members. My name is Bob McMurtry. I'm the interim COO of the United States Polo Association. Thank you for the opportunity to speak to you again tonight. I wanna focus on one issue that's important to the USPA and that's the proactive preservation of polo fields in Wellington. The greatest threat to polo in Wellington is not competition. It's not programming. It's not our club structures. The greatest threat is irreversible loss of polo fields to development. As I'm gonna show in a minute, the the slides show that at least 25 polo fields have been lost in Wellington and more than 30 in Palm Beach County.

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In the past ten years, we estimate 23 fields have disappeared. Growth of new polo fields is not happening in Wellington. It's happening outside the village. And just last week, the Valiente property, one of the premier polo facilities in the world was listed for sale. Valiente represents more than a 150 acres, over a 130 stalls, four world class competition fields, elite training infrastructure.

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If facilities like this are at risk, it underscores the reality of without deliberate action, Polo Fields will continue to vanish. So this is why the USPA entered into this long term license agreement for the Isle Of Carroll Field. And what the agreement encompasses is a forty five year initial term with unlimited ten year automatic renewals with both parties consent. In effect, it secures the Isla Carroll East Polo Field for the United States Polo Association's use for polo indefinitely. It also covers the USPA programming.

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We will schedule all the polo during season. We will have the right to use that field as part of our regular rotation during the season at our discretion and under our control. It also provides for the USPA to maintain that polo field year round to the USPA's competition standards. And Isla Carroll residents will receive memberships to our club at NPC as part of our agreement. This is more than symbolic preservation.

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This is enforceable long term stewardship. This slide shows you the loss of polo fields in the Wellington area. And as I said, 23 fields have been lost in Wellington. Valeantes 150 acres and four fields are recently last week listed for sale. More than 30 fields in Palm Beach County are gone and growth of the fields are not not locally.

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I think what's important is at its core, Polo is the origin of Wellington's equestrian heritage. And the USBA's headquarters is here. We've invested our future here through acquisition of MPC. We're one of the largest landowners, one of the largest employers in the village. Polo remains a major economic driver for Wellington. If we do nothing, fields will continue to be subdivided and lost. If this agreement is improved, the historic competition field of Isle Carol East will be preserved in perpetuity under deed restrictions, contractual rights, and professional oversight. We urge you to approve this development. Thank you. Thanks.

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Joe Camp, do you want to just quickly come up and answer the mayor and councilman McGovern's question about South Fields, the gate?

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Yes. Hi. My name is Joe Camp. I'm with the project applicant here on the McCourt team. Just going back to the the easement question. There are historical easements on the site that date back to when the area was subdivided, and they grant access to both 1 20th Avenue Street South on the East and to 35th Street South sorry, excuse me, South Fields Road on the West. The Gray Trail runs along South Fields Road. We have access in in ingress and egress rights by virtue of that easement. As a practical matter, as we are partnered with the U. PA, we're gonna want to partner with U. S. PA for use of that route route if we need it.

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I'm sorry. Who who do the easements run-in favor of?

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They run-in favor of the of the land. Okay. Of the land owner.

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The landowner.

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Mhmm. Okay.

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And so I think the reason why

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we want we want

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to highlight this was that this was a matter of discussion at the last hearing. We wanted to clarify the mechanism for this. The primary amenity here is the internal bridal trails. But the question was how how is access to the trail granted and it's by version of the easement.

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Thanks, Joe. Thank you. Let's talk about the public benefits of this project. So as you just heard from from mister McMurtry, Isla Carroll will be programmed and maintained by USPA with tournament play on Fridays, Polo clinics for kids and other Polo programs sponsored by USPA with maintenance of USPA professionals all year. We've agreed and proffered to have at least two charity events hosted and underwritten by the Polo Club annually.

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We At the last meeting, as you'll remember, we proffered and you accepted the 1,600,000 for design and construction of the planned roundabout at 1 20th Avenue South. We are offering $500,000 for the design of the roundabout at Lake Worth Road and 1 20th South seeing as though our project has an impact there. Granted, this is far beyond our proportional share. And then we want to give back to Wellington's public schools. We've researched a lot of ways to do this and found that the Keeley Spinelli grant program makes the most sense and has the most benefit.

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And so we are proposing $300,000 over the next six years to benefit all Wellington's public schools. That is $2,400,000 to fund public works and education as part of this project. There are economic benefits here, 5,500 sorry, $5,000,000 in permit and impact fees to the village. Over 660 temporary construction jobs, 7,500,000.0 in annual ad valorem revenue with a million of that going back to the village for so long as the Florida House and Senate can keep their hands off of that money. And more what's interesting is more than 20% of that is attributable directly to the Polo Club.

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75 permanent jobs at least and then unmeasurable amounts of notoriety and recognition for such a great project. There was some discussion about who gets to do what where on the property and we've created this chart to be very specific. Everything related to horses, interacting with horses, stable, rings, paddocks, horse exercise arena, internal bridal trail, external bridal trail connection, you'll see why I said these things in a minute, are for residents only. Playing on the field, spectating on the field, tailgating on the field, that is for residents members and the public in various capacities obviously. And then as far as the Isla Carroll Polo Club, those amenities are for the residents and the members.

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Our plan evolution as you can see, we have more than doubled our average lot size from the original plan. We've increased our acres of residential use and we have more open space than we've ever had before at least 70%. When we get to the legal criteria, it's very important that we understand the comprehensive plan in its use. And the Florida statute section 163.31943 A gives specific guidance on the status of a comprehensive plan. It says a development order or regulation shall be consistent with the comprehensive plan if the land uses densities or intensities and other aspects of development are permitted by such order or regulation are compatible with and further the objectives policies and land uses, densities or intensities in the comp plan and if it meets all other criteria enumerated by the local government.

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And then further down in the statute it says, it is the intent of this act that the comprehensive plan set general guidelines and principles concerning its purpose and contents and that this act shall be construed broadly to accomplish its stated purposes and objectives. I think it's important to remember when we're dealing with land use decisions that arbitrary and capricious decisions are not allowed. Local governing bodies do not have an unbridled discretion to do what they want to do. And the commission has a legal responsibility to grant the requested application unless the commission can prove non compliance with the applicable law. So criteria A is consistency with your comprehensive plan.

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And we have highlighted all of the different policies, goals and objectives that we are consistent with, but I want to point out a couple. Policy LU and CD one point one point two basically establishes residential density for your residential districts in your future land use map. We are in residential B which provides point one dwelling unit acre to one dwelling unit acre. Our proposed density is point three four dwelling units an acre, very low, which we fit and are compatible with that policy. Policy LU and CD one point two point five to allow non residential uses or limited non residential uses within residential PUD's.

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And it specifically allows non residential uses in residential plan unit developments which may include recreation facilities and neighborhood commercial facilities. Both highlighted here, both uses are designed to meet the daily needs of residents. So we get to the specific equestrian preservation element of your comp plan, we look to EQ one which is preserving Wellington's equestrian community and its lifestyle. And we do that by creating four equestrian farm lots. We have resident equestrian uses of a 10 stall barn, paddocks, walker, etcetera.

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We are 33% less than the permitted density. That is a very important fact when talking about approving this project especially vis a vis the comprehensive plan. And as you know, we are preserving significant amount of open space in perpetuity with the USDA programming that field. And then you look at one point one point one sub one that says the intent of the EOZD is to preserve the equestrian lifestyle. And again, I think we pointed out how we are preserving that equestrian lifestyle.

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And then two, you can see the location of the four farm lots. And so anybody driving through the development has to pass all of those farm lots to get to either the Polo Club or to get to their home, giving it the feel of a large lot community. EQ 1.1 sub three is permit limited commercial uses in the land development regulations which support the equestrian industry. And so we have limited commercial uses that support the equestrian industry. On the commercial I'm sorry, on the equestrian pod, riding lessons in equine waste management.

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At Isla Caro Polo Field, we have professional polo matches taking place, lessons in clinics, equine waste management which we all know is important, concessions and parking. And then the commercial uses at the Polo Club include a tack shop with local Wellington goods and USP merchandise, dining, polo fitness and spa services. Equestion element three, ladies and gentlemen, really speaks for itself supporting the equestrian competition industry by preserving this field, by having professional polo matches programmed and maintained by the sports governing body, U. P. A, clearly supports this Equestrian Element three.

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The next criteria is whether or not we are in conflict with the LDRs. And and your staff would tell you that our site plan is compliant, our PSM is compliant, our density and intensity are under the LDR requirements. We are not seeking any variances. We are not seeking any waivers. We are not seeking any special exceptions. And staff recommends approval. C, the requested uses compatible and consistent with the existing uses and the zoning surrounding the subject land. All you have to do is look at EOD sub area d which we're in. It is dominated by planned unit developments. Wellington Country Place, Equestrian Club at Wellington, Wellington South.

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You can see how our project fits in with them. First, look at average lot size. We are among the larger average lot sizes here on this graphic. Look at your density. We are the least the lowest dense project. That means we're the lowest dense project. I can figure out. In the graphic and in that sub area. Compatibility with MPC, our neighbor. As you just heard from Bob McMurtry, they support our project and we've created different access points from our project to and from NPC.

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D, there are changed conditions. Well, as you heard from Mr. McMurtry, loss of polo fields in Wellington is a significant changed condition. And then you look at population growth. We all know that Wellington promotes itself as a equestrian destination and lifestyle. People are moving here every year. Even after COVID, that dip it's coming back very strong. Our as of right I'm sorry. Our development promotes that equestrian lifestyle that Wellington continues to promote. And I would say that the as of right permitted plan does not guarantee any sort of equestrian lifestyle, but our project, Isla Carroll, does.

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Environment. The proposed request would not significantly add result in significantly adverse impacts on the environment. And again, we're over 70% open space. We are 33 under our permitted density. And the large that are on-site right now will be used in the wide required landscape buffers.

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And then criteria F, resulting in a logical and orderly development pattern. This is the same graphic I showed you before and how Isla Carroll stacks up against the projects, some of which you've approved, some of which you haven't that exist in Sub Area D today. We are among the largest average lot size and we are the only PUD with multiple common internal equestrian amenities for residents only. And even your staff report shows Sub Area D and more than 75% of the area is dominated by planned unit developments. So, to say that a planned unit development doesn't belong in this EOD is just wrong.

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And then G and H, there is no applicable neighborhood plan and we of course, we will meet all the Wellington building standards. And then we get to six point eight point eight. I want to point out that six point eight point eight is consistent with your comprehensive plan. That is important. The preamble of six point eight point eight says that an ED shall be designed for compatibility with the objectives of this section along with use of flexible property development regulations and design standards.

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So, we look at six point eight point one, the purpose and intent of this section of your code. To preserve, maintain and enhance the equestrian area that is home to equestrian farms, competition venues, and the equestrian lifestyle in Wellington. And then, identifying and encourage land uses and development patterns that are supportive of this equestrian character industry and lifestyle only EPA. From equestrian farm standpoint, we have four two acre farms, plus a brand new two ten stall resident barn with groomsmen's quarters, paddocks, walker, all of that stuff to promote the equestrian lifestyle and equestrian farms. Competition venue speaks for itself.

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And equestrian lifestyle, a bridal trail with connectivity, on-site community barn, walker paddocks and a covered exercise area help augment the or enhance, excuse me, the equestrian life style here. So six point eight point eight D one, the master's plan shall provide common equestrian amenities that shall serve as the internal focus of the development, which are limited to stables, check. Rings, check. Paddocks, check. Horse exercise areas, check.

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Internal bridal trails, check. Connections to external bridal trails, check. Other equestrian amenities and open space like the Isla Carroll Field, check, check, and check. 6.8.8 D2, all common equestrian amenities will be installed prior to a CO being issued for any residential use on the property. We agree with that.

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We also agree to six point eight point eight D3 that a deed restriction shall be executed to limit and use the limit in perpetuity the use of the common equestrian amenities. We've proffered a draft deed restriction to counsel and upon approval we will finalize that. D four, that you can't ask for any development incentives and I may remind you, we are not asking for any development incentives. We are not asking for waivers, variances, or special exceptions as part of this project. So when we look at the last major project approved in the EOZD, we have to look at Wellington Lifestyle Partners.

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And when you look at that, you can see the difference in the number of applications that they needed versus the number of applications that we need and we want. We can look at their average lot size versus our average lot size. It's very similar, if not the same. Density, we are half of the density that this body approved. We both have staff recommendation of approval.

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And of course, Wellington Lifestyle Partners was approved by a council. And based on the evidence, we believe that approval is required tonight. There was a question at the last meeting about overflow parking. And I would tell you as we did before, we are going to be using valet parking. We found a couple extra spaces, so we have a 153 parking spaces.

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And those areas circled in red, those are overflow parking areas in case we have a special event that we want to park on-site. And again, we have our shared parking agreement with NPC. At this point, I'd like to have Taylor from Hart Howerton briefly give her expert report. And I apologize that she isn't here in person. So,

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Yes. Thank you, Neil. Good evening, everyone, and I do apologize for not being able to join everyone in person, and thank you for allowing me to participate remotely. My name's Taylor Panconian, and I'm an associate principal with the design firm, Hart Howerton. I've been working with Isla Carroll, as their lead planner and designer for over two years now.

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I'm a certified planner with twenty years of experience in leading efforts like this in master planning, entitlements, and permitting. I prepared the zoning compliance report that was submitted this evening, and I certify that our plans meet all of the criteria, and the code is outlined in that zoning compliance report. And I'm here to answer any questions throughout the evening as they relate to the master plan and the project standards manual. Thank you.

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Thank you, Taylor. We have a couple more slides. So, Isla Carroll exceeds the requirements for approval. As I've shown you tonight, as Taylor just testified. And as you'll hear from your staff report, we are compatible with the comprehensive plan.

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We are a low density project that preserves the equestrian lifestyle. The Polo Club is consistent with policy LU and CD one point two point five which allows non residential uses in residential PUD's. Sub area D consists predominantly of PUD's with greater densities and smaller lights lot sizes than what we're proposing tonight. We're consistent with LDRs in six point eight point eight resident only common equestrian amenities just like six point eight point eight d one said. Check.

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No variances, no waivers, no special exceptions are being sought. There is a supreme court case that says zoning regulations are in the derogation of private property rights of ownership and should be interpreted in favor of the property owner. Our applicant expert reports confirm compliance and consistency with your code and comprehensive plan as does your staff report. And they also recommend approval. Our project has evolved based on your feedback and stakeholder feedback in this community.

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We are 33% less dense than we were a month ago. We're more than 15% equestrian farms with the optionality to create more. Over 45,000 square feet of common equestrian amenities for residents. That is guaranteed because the permitted as of right plan is not. Minimum forty five year relationship with the USPA. 2,400,000.0 to Wellington for public works and public education funding. We meet and exceed all the criteria and I'd ask the chair that we can save the balance of my time for rebuttal. Thank you. Thank you.

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Staff report?

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The applicant is requesting to amend the zoning designation of ILEC Harrell from Equestrian Residential Equestrian Overlay Zoning District to Planned Unit Development Equestrian Overlay Zoning District. This slide shows the current zoning map shown on the left and the proposed zoning map shown on the right with the subject property bubbled in yellow. This slide shows the proposed Isla Carol Polo And Residences PUD Master Plan. The proposed master plan creates a 44.84 acre residential pod and designates 27 dwelling lots. It creates a 34.33 acre club equestrian amenity pod with a defined development program consisting of a 25.62 acre equestrian facility.

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It delineates three access points, two along 120th Avenue South and one along 35th Street South connecting to National Polo Center. It adopts a project standards manual and establishes conditions of approval. The 79 acre PUD is broken up into two pods, the residential pod which makes up 56% of the overall PUD and the club equestrian amenity pod which makes up 44% of the PUD. With 33% of that pod dedicated to equestrian facilities, A restrictive covenant will be recorded restricting the use of the equestrian facilities to owners, residents, guests, members and or licenses of owners within the PUD. The request of 27 units is below the maximum allowed density of one dwelling unit per two acres allowed within sub area d of the equestrian overlay.

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Based on the proposed units, the developer is required to dedicate a certain amount of land for civic and parks purposes. The developer is required to dedicate point zero seven six acres of civic land, which will be accomplished with the dedication of land for the roundabout at the 1 20th Avenue and Village Park entrance intersection. They must dedicate point three seven nine acres of public parks and rec land or make a payment in lieu of dedication in the amount of $78,000. Private parks and recreation land is also required to be dedicated which they will exceed. And they will also be required to make a payment of 78,000 to the school district which is in addition to any impact fees they are assessed at the building permit.

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The number is based on the original request of 40 units and this number may be lowered if an updated letter from the school district is provided for the 27 units. A project standards manual has been submitted as required by the land development regulations and will be adopted by resolution. PUD's are to allow flexibility in the application of zoning regulations. The developer has requested flexible regulations including reduced setbacks and lot sizes allowed in the EOZD which staff has no objection to as the overall density of the entire PUD is less than the maximum density of the sub area. Various improvements and contribution conditions were included in the master plan resolution.

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The developer will be required to make a 2.82 proportionate share payment for the construction of a traffic signal and or roundabout at the Lake Worth Road and a Hundred And 20th Avenue intersection. They will be required to provide Wellington with additional right of way and design plans for the construction of the roundabout at the intersection of 120th Avenue South and the entrance to Village Park. And they will need to construct and fund upgrades to lift stations and various other utility facilities. Other requirements in the conditions of approval include requiring 50% of the club equestrian amenity pod and the entire 10 stall barn be completed and open to residents at the time the residential COs reach 50%. An off-site parking agreement will be required with NPC.

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Special use permits will be required for all events open to the public. And annual parking traffic monitoring will be required for a period of ten years. Both the EPC and PCA B recommended denial of both applications and council approved the rezoning on first reading with a three-two vote. The staff analysis concludes that the proposed requests comply with the requirements for a rezoning and master plan. And if the proposed requests are approved, conditions of approval are provided for in the master plan resolution r twenty twenty five dash 67.

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And just a little housekeeping, if the ordinance and resolution are approved, an updated legal description will be replaced in exhibit a, which identifies the project as 79.17 acres, which is shown on the screen. This concludes staff's presentation.

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Thank you.

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Alright. At this point, we can either start to asking questions of the applicant or staff or move into public comment. What's what's your preference? You have a lot of cards I see.

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We have a lot of cards.

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So I prefer to do public comment first. Anyone have an

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objection to that? That's fine. That's what we've been

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doing. Okay. Is there a motion to open public hearing? So moved.

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All in favor?

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Aye. Public hearing is now open. Madam Vice Mayor, take it away. Good luck with the names.

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Thank you. Okay. So I'll call two names and we'll just keep having people come up and alternate at the microphones. So let's have Robert Schmidt and Kathleen Gannon.

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Before you speak, name and address, and you have five minutes.

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Thank you very much. My name is Robert Schmidt. I live at 12541 Equine Lane in the Equestrian Club. So I'm a nearby neighbor to all of this, just right around the corner from them. And my background is I'm an attorney, a patent attorney, a professional engineer, and I also have a master's degree in urban environmental studies where I did most of my thesis work on new town planning.

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So I feel very strongly about plan unit developments, and having facilities such as what is being proposed. And I want to speak very strongly in support of it. In addition to the fact that I like the overall plan and concept, one of the things that as a new resident to Wellington is that I had my grandchildren here over Christmas and I didn't really find a good place to be able to take them to go riding. Because I wanted to instill in them, you know, the love of the equine lifestyle And they're just didn't have that. And so this having the camps and the training classes and other things for kids to me was very important.

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Cause I look at this and say, you know, some kids are very fortunate that they're born into a household with a horse already and are able to be able to, you know, just naturally fall into having the equine philosophy. But for those of us that weren't that lucky, you know there needs to be some introductions. And I thought that the planned facility is very helpful to that and helpful for Wellington to be able to bring in new people, to be able to incorporate, as I said last time, your horse and your logo kind of says it all, that this is what you want. And I fully agree with that, and hope that the council will support this proposal. Thank you very much.

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Thank And before you start, Ms. Gannon, Doug Marty at this microphone.

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Good evening.

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Up on deck. No, maybe not. Hi. Go Go ahead.

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Hi, Kathleen Gannon, 4491 Palm Breeze Trail. I thank you all for serving. I've been a long time resident. I'm an equestrian, a polo player, and a show jumper. I've lived here my whole life and I've seen the US Open in Boca.

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They had the Boca Polo Club and we lost all the Boca Polo Fields there. And it's very sad that it's all turned into housing. So what they're doing, I'm very much in support of Frank and Monica. They've been a huge support of our equestrian lifestyle and I think what they're trying to do is amazing to try and keep our polo fields and we really need to do that and so I'm a huge support of that. I also have a real estate company and I think it's very important what we're doing for the community to keep the lifestyle of equestrians and that you really listen to equestrians that know the sport and that love the sport and that are here for the long time And that is what Frank has proposed and having another polo field with what you have seen come across is so important to our sport and to Wellington.

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We are the equestrian capital of the world and we need to maintain that and we don't need to keep selling out to developers and what they've proposed is beautiful and I'm in support of it. So thank you for hearing me.

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Thank you.

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Thank you. And can we have Chris Beale at this microphone up next?

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Good evening.

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Hello everyone, my name is Doug Marty. I'm a twenty year resident of Wellington. I live in 15790 Chandel Place in the Aero Club. I also have I own the Wellington National Golf Club. That was a ten year project to get where it is today.

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And I could not have have completed this club or had it to the point where it is today without the help of the prior mayors, honorable mayors, and council members, some of which are still here that I've known since day one. And again, could not have done it without your help. I'm very much appreciate it. And also with our sheriff's department, our fire department, and our fire rescue. I mean, they've been very, very supportive in everything I've done at the club.

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And it's we've transitioned something that was, in my opinion when I bought it, a go trap, and now it's a very prominent golf club within the community. So thank everybody for your help there. I've looked at this project for the past few weeks. I'm very much in favor with it, or for it. Mr.

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McCourt and his group and Discovery have, in my opinion, put together a great facility. It meets all of the codes from what I can see, and it meets it's it's exceeded the bars of what was required. Over the top in my opinion. Obviously, think we heard earlier, Mr. McCord has been involved in millions of square feet of building square footage rental and ownership space, as well as Discovery, who I believe has close to 40, if not 40 properties around the world, not one of which has been closed.

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So to me that's a great track record. We need something like this. As Kathleen mentioned earlier, we just, you know, and as we heard throughout the program tonight, we're losing Polo Fields. We don't need to do that. This is the horse capital of the world, and I believe that. I live it. I love it. I enjoy it. I love having my family here. And I really think this is a great great opportunity for the village, and most of all for the We the People of Wellington. So please consider this, and we hope we can get your vote. And thank you very much.

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Thank you. And can we have Bob Margolis up at this microphone? Go ahead, Ms. Beale.

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Good evening, mayor, council, and staff. My name is Chris Beale. I am a my husband and I reside at 1400660 Stirrup Lane on property owned by our daughter and son-in-law. We've been seasonal residents for the past eight years with a season spent in Wellington also during the years of 2006 and 2000 to 2009. So I've seen a lot of the growth of Wellington and the loss of public fields also.

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I, along with my husband and adult children, am a member of the United States Polo Association. My husband is a third generation polo player, my daughter is a fourth generation polo player, and I'm a hacker, but I still have played. The address of our family is 40 horses, though it's not in Wellington, it's in Port Myakka, At the Port Myakka Apollo Field, where that's due to the vast advantages of physical space for playing and practical fields, and exercises, exercise tracks, and the comparative cost of keeping them there compared to the cost and space that's available in Wellington. But the reason we come to Wellington is that the National Polo Center is located here, and it is the magnet that draws puddle players from all over the country and the world for the winter season. I'm in favor of the proposed plan presented today by McCourt Discovery Group because it preserves the polo fields in proximity to NPC and will enhance the polo opportunities and experiences at NPC.

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Making the magnet stronger and that will draw more polo players and elevate the Wellington polo experiences for players and spectators. After listening to the presentation and comments of the first reading in front of this council, many comments were made that the plan didn't fit the letter of the law. The letter of the law. Especially the equestrian preserve criteria. I came to believe that the spirit of preserving the equestrian use land is satisfied with the preservation of the polar field.

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Specifically, this is the best equestrian use for the polo community. When you consider the number of horses and the number of polo players that will be on this field for games and for training, that makes it an equestrian facility. I think the revised plan shows an extraordinary effort by the developers to satisfy the letter of the law. If you believe polo is an important part of the equestrian ecosystem here, then please vote to approve this proposal and preserve the polo fields. Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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And can we have Bruce Toobin at this microphone?

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Good evening. My name is Bob Margolis, 657 Juniper Place, Village Of Wellington, former mayor and a forty three year resident of the Village Of Wellington. I moved my family down to the Village Of Wellington and I have never regretted one day. I've sat in your position. I understand what you're going through.

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It wasn't so long ago that I was on my first council when that council approved in the original International Polo Club. And I remember being in Barnes and Noble one night and who was standing in front of me was Tommy Lee Jones. And my son kept on saying, go say something, go say I said, I'm not saying anything to him, I'm afraid of him. So I finally went up to him and I said, hi mister Jones, I wanna introduce myself. And he was very, very cordial. And he said, well do you have any questions for me? And I wanted him to ask this question. I said, okay, how did you guys really make Men in Black? And I never did that. And he was a gentleman and I've never looked back at any of the proposals that I made in the village of Wellington.

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I also had the opportunity a number of years ago to meet mister McCourt. When he came into the village when I was mayor and we made an appointment, We took a tour bus and he wanted to see the entire village of Wellington. He had so many questions and it's a good thing I had staff with me to answer those because I had no idea what he was talking about. But the one thing that I did come away with is he was very interested in the village of Wellington. He was a true gentleman and I was really happy to have had the experience to meet with him a number of times.

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I was here at the first reading and I heard your questions. And I said to myself, boy, those are really, really good questions. And I I saw the interest in the applicant go back and say, okay, how can we meet the needs of the council and the village residents? And they came back with a plan. And I absolutely believe that they heard what you were saying.

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They came back. This application I absolutely believe is the best thing for the village of Wellington. And if you remember, wasn't so long ago that I sat on that side of the aisle when another application came forward to you and I was opposed to it. So I'm asking you here tonight to look at the revised plan, look at the people building it, look what the applicant is going to do for the village of Wellington and how he's gonna provide money for the Kelly Spinelli grant, a council that I was on that Lizbeth Beniquisto originally brought forward. I'm asking you to take a look at the new plan and they have met every one of your needs that you asked for and I'm asking you to take that into consideration.

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This is a good plan. I urge you to approve it. I'm looking forward that you do approve it and I'm looking forward. I have a very healthy fear of that of horses. I think everybody here knows that. But I am looking forward to maybe going to this facility one day and visiting it again as I did the first day that International Polo Club first opened. Thank you for giving me time to talk to you tonight. I really appreciate it.

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Thank you.

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And can we have Sarah Goose at this microphone?

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And before mister Tooman starts, I wanna recognize our court reporter. If you need a break at some point, just let me know because we wanna make sure you're comfortable because you might be here a while. So just raise your hand and let me know, we'll take a break

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for your comfort. Mister Tooman. Good evening. My name is Bruce Tooman, and my primary and homestead at 0 Lot Line property is at 752 Lake Wellington Drive in the village of Wellington. On October 22, the reserve committee meeting, the committee recommended denial of both for rezoning and the master plan.

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On November, the Planning, Zoning and Adjustment Board, the board recommended denial six to one to both the rezoning and master plan. You all on January 12 decided to approve the plan. The question I have is why have boards and committees? Did these boards and committees have the opportunity to review the changes that were made before their decision, or maybe redo the decisions? I did like a couple things.

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Six years of $300,000 for our grant, education grant. That's great because I never liked being forced to pay twice for public education. And I wonder if any of that money is gonna go to that new private school that you all approved? Because right now, it doesn't. The roundabouts, in my opinion, are very poor transportation modes. Will the access to the public for the public be the similar to like the high school football field? Little, if any. And I am glad to see overflow parking unlike our amphitheater phase two. Thank you.

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Thank you. Can we have Robin Parsky at this microphone, please? Go ahead, miss Goose.

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I would like to thank the council and the mayor

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Name and address first, please.

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Name and address.

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Oh, sorry. Syracuse, 15320, 46th Link South, Wellington. I would like to thank the council for its diligence and thorough review of Isla Carroll application. Isla Carroll, which will be operated by Discovery Land Company, is fundamentally a private country club. Discovery's business model is to develop exclusive clubs, collect large initiation fees and annual dues, and sell high end homes to create a built in membership base.

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This project would also include approximately 300 outside members, which was not mentioned at this meeting by them who do not reside in the development. Outside members do not belong in the preserve. The applicant's repeated attempts to meet the criteria of 6.8.8 raises serious concerns. Initially, compliance was proposed through an inclusion barn, yet no meaningful plans existed. That concept was abandoned.

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The applicant then proposed a polo field, which would be licensed to an operated MPC. A license can be revoked at any time. Not for the residents of Isla Carroll, but for the residents of MPC. I am a member of MPC. This again failed to meet the intent of section 6.8.8, which requires equestrian use for residents of the PUD.

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Now the applicant has reintroduced a concept of a barn along with Polo Fields. The Barnwood House Hortz is owned by Discovery would be managed and operated by Discovery. There's no clarity what this barn is for, whether it's for polo ponies, hunter jumpers, or trail riders, beginner lessons. I don't know what that is. From personal experience, hunters and jumpers do not safely or practically coexist with an active polo operation.

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I previously, when I was in Massachusetts, rode out a barn located adjacent to a polo facility. Whenever the polo practice or mattresses were underway, it was not possible to ride. The horses were spooked by the polo ponies, and we had to shut down riding. In addition, operating a barn is a very costly and busy endeavor. It includes deliveries, farrier visits, veterinary care, grain, shavings, and manure removal, manure trucks, dumpsters, and open manure bins, flies, rodents, odors, and increased traffic.

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It is unclear whether the residents of this exclusive and expensive community would want or tolerate this level of activity surrounding their homes. Section 6.8.8 was not intended for this type of use. It was meant to support legitimate equestrian use and communities. Let's see. Like, if the lots that are going to be proposed for equestrian use are too close to the Polar Field.

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Again, they will not be usable during matches, especially since Iso Carol does not control the polo field operations. Again, NPC is using this field. And the owners who will be having horses there will have no say in how or when the field is used. I do not believe a polar field, trail riding, a riding school, multi million dollar homes, a clubhouse, pool, tennis, paddleboard courts, spas, dining, large scale social events can harmoniously be integrated on this property without conflict. Ultimately, section point 6.8 was not intended to support a country club with primarily outside members and a few poorly designed, equestrian amenities added to justify zoning.

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This proposal is presented as a recipe for failure and disaster. I respectfully urge the council to consider how the applicant aligns with intent of six point eight point eight, the future of the Equestrian Preserve and Wellington's long term equestrian legacy. Thank you.

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Thank you.

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And do we have Laura Norris come to this microphone? It doesn't say if you wish to speak or not. Laura Norris? Okay. Think we have Paula Santana to this microphone, please. Thank you.

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Go ahead. Sorry. Hello. Mister mayor and council members, I'm Robin Parsky. I live at 2910 Winding Oak Lane in Palm Beach Paolo and Country Club.

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I want to first congratulate you because I think that these meetings once again point out that you can really be helpful to an applicant, and this applicant has listened, definitely listened. This proposal is actually much improved, but I pretty much like the first one because I think it was what you're doing, they are doing, is preserving a very large beautiful polo field. And that's what this community is about. I disagree that this is an entity that would not enhance or be part of a good equestrian lifestyle, quite the opposite. I think people want to live around areas where they can see horses and see open fields.

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That's exactly what this is about. The link to the bridal trails, right now that is a real plus in this community. And I think there will be, people who will be interested in living in this community and having horses close by. There are other entities that are surrounding that do have commercial operations, but this is not the same. The other thing I wanted to mention is that you might not know is there was a meeting, a town hall meeting, there have been two of them actually, at the Palm Beach Polo and Country Club.

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And to the point about losing polo fields, the people at the polo club got up and several of them said, you're a misnomer now in this community because the entrance to the Polo Club says Palm Beach Polo and Country Club. There are no polo fields left in the Palm Beach Polo Club and Country Club, and there is no country club. As a matter of fact, there's no golf. There's the clubhouse is controlled by one entity, mister Straub and his group, and the former golf course is defunct at the moment and owned by someone else. So the residents there are aghast at the fact that we have no club and no country club.

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I think this entity is going to enhance the community. It's the type of thing that people have always wanted here, and they wanted to be close to the polo fields. When I came here, I am an equestrian. I have show jumping horses, but I've been a member of the IPCNBC now for fifteen years because it was a social club. It it was a wonderful place to watch horses exhibit great skills on the polo fields.

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It was a real enhancement to moving to this area. So I applaud McCourt Discovery. I know their operations. They're proven developers. They're not guessing at this game.

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The entity in Silo Ridge, New York is beautiful, and it is enhanced with a barn and equestrian activities. So it is not new to them to be around equestrian. Equestrian is a very big part of many of their communities, including, the Madison Club in Palm Springs, Palm Palm Desert actually. So that's my, support of this project is and many of my friends are very supportive of this project. I just thought I'd let you know.

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Thank Thank you. We have Jill Townsend at this microphone. Go ahead, Mr.

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Sander. Yes, sir.

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Good evening. Thank you for the opportunity to talk. My name is Paulo Santana, 200865 Polo Island Drive. Came here to talk about like I was a question since born. I have ridden horses all around the world, Europe, Canada, United States. We're moving to live to Wellington because Wellington was the capital of the horse in the world. Why? Does Wellington has a patent to be the only people with horses? Does Wellington has a delivery method for the horses? Does Wellington is the best venue in the world is a great venue, but there might be other venues there.

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What Wellington has that differs us from all the others is a unique experience where you can leave arm's length with your horse where nobody else can have. We are facing right now a huge development and people migrating from especially on the show jumping to Ocala where they have spent close to $2,000,000,000 in a new venue and that's slowing down a bunch of equation activities here to the point that we are in a little dangerous situation. When a project like that come up to us. I understand one thing, I am not a polo guy, I was always on the show jumpers, but I understand that to play polo you need a horse. If you have a sport horse, you are a question following the plain and simple language.

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To align with Wellington, unique experience, whatever would bring again new blood healthy financial companies to accomplish the project instead of forward looking information of some beautiful one thousand and one Arabian Nights that might come whatever to see. I believe if we do not allow this project to take place with all the benefits that's bringing, respecting the core of Wellington, which is the unique experience to live arm's length close to your horse that nobody, no Ocala, no Las Vegas, no Atlantic City can copy that. It would be setting us up to fail, especially in this moment that the horse world a question show jumping oriented side is being a little bit in a dangerous situation of this doubt what's going to happen in the future. I believe sustaining the polo with a group that has a proven concept in different other areas that are not proposing any type of speculation has proven a lot of work done. It's something that we should protect, we should incentivize to happen to probably show to the world, to the people that yes, the capital of the horse is still here, it remain here because nobody can copy our unique experience to live arm's length close to the horses and to be able to have this type of investor that's coming in those uncertainty moments and they are really moving, taking all the risk to save us.

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I really think that this council should see in a way that would be protecting our soul as a question and denying this product would definitely be setting us up to fail. So I hope that we can pass it tonight and I support it. You.

1:52:599

Can we have Helena Stormans at this microphone, please?

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Good evening.

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Hi, how are you? Jill Townsend, 2040 Appaloosa Trail. I think it's last night for a couple of you guys up here. I think your term is about up, so thank you for serving. We appreciate it.

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Looking forward to new council members. You know, I was here last night, and we had a forum, And every one of them said, without doubt, it is off limits to change the zoning in the Equestrian Preserve. And why did all six of them say that? Because they know the will of the people here. We don't have a cocktail party to be able to entertain people before they come here and put stickers on them so they can raise their hand.

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We are the people of Wellington. We don't have the means, which other people have, to be able to create all the laws, and the checks, and all that. I can tell you that we've had the horse show used against this Consul to create a project up there that they conveniently used Wellington South to show you the density that's been allowed in the equestrian preserve. That was that first pickle out of the jar. And I told you then, if you let that happen, if you allow them to blackmail this consul with the horse show, or with Polo, and to control your vote, another pickle's gonna come out.

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And sure enough, we've got another pickle. And if this one comes out, you can just dump the jar. Every one of those green fields that you see, they will be PUD's. The USP, the Polo Association can use that field until perpetuity, as long as they wish. They are telling us there are no more fields being built in Wellington. They're being built elsewhere. Why? Because Polo, easily, is going to get moved elsewhere.

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Discovery buys NPC, if Discovery buys the McCourt's property right behind this project, if Discovery buys Jacob's property, all of that now becomes their model. Why are they giving up $30,000,000 in this development, and offering millions of dollars every year in taxes and fees to Wellington? Just for this little project? No. The vision is bigger.

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If you can get NPC to do a land trust, where it will always, for perpetuity forever, in a legal land trust, keep that land for Polo, for I would say, you know what, this looks like a cute enough development, maybe that many people won't join the club, let's hope. If that land next to it, that's the Jacobs, was in a land trust, we would feel confident that this little development with 30 houses would not be horrible. But it's not one little development. This is the seed for a big development. And it doesn't take that much intelligence to look at that map that they put up there, with all of those green spots knowing what's available to be built on.

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They might have legal cause. You guys might have to worry about being sued, because they've got lawyers and check marks. But I'm telling you, it's a country club, and it's one that is going to be expanded. And you've already paid the price with Wellington South. They just used it against you. We've talked about this. All of that land, Pearson to Lake Worth Road to South Shore, will become a PUD if you let this go through. I really, really want you to think about it hard. This is important.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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And we have Judith Sloan at this microphone.

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Yes, ma'am.

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Good evening, Mr. Mayor and Honorable Council members. My name is Helena Stormans. I live at 2411 Country Golf Drive, Wellington. I'm a resident of Wellington, and I was born and raised in England.

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I then moved in my early twenties to Germany, and now I've moved to Wellington. I've spent five decades as an equestrian, involved in the sport of show jumping. First as an international competitor and later as a trainer and coach. Over the course of my riding career, I competed in Grand Prix and Nations Cup competition in Europe and abroad. I have since devoted my professional work to training riders and horses at all levels of the sport including coaching Olympic athletes.

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Throughout my career, my focus has remained on sound classical horsemanship. I really believe that this is the only way forwards. The horsemanship that includes safety and the long term development of both horse and rider. Principles that guide my perspective on well structured equestrian programs. I have worked with the applicant team here regarding the Isla Carroll Baum program.

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A facility of this design fosters a genuine passion for both the horses and the sport. The proposed layout, arena dimensions, and introductory program reflect a cohesive and well considered plan. Suited for individuals and families seeking a quality recreational equestrian experience. While I know Wellington as an internationally recognized famous horse show, It is an elite place for high performance. But there is a noticeable deficit in this.

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And the problem is that these programs have no vision for the youth. And for me, you have to serve the beginners, the young riders and the families who wish to participate in the sport at a more accessible and community orientated level. This program helped fill that void. Creating a welcoming environment focused on education, safety and enjoyment rather than competition alone. Wellington benefits from a deep pool of highly qualified equestrian professionals from which Isla Carroll can recruit experienced instructors.

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Be them band managers, caretakers, grooms who've lived here for years and years who I've known from the international circuit in Europe. They've now made Wellington their home and they would be happy to teach the next generation. These these pool of experienced people can be called on at an appropriate time. The program allows families to trail ride together while children can safely hack and learn horsemanship under supervision. I grew up in England the same way.

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People still had a horse in the backyard and we rode to the pony club. This kind of equestrianism has a very, very strong meaning, And if it's structured correctly, it's the best introduction to equestrianism. It supports the broader equestrian community by cultivating future riders and responsible horse owners. You develop a community of riders that understand the horse. People with horses, not horse owners.

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It's a safe and professional environment, and for residents with farms on property, the facility would also be available for them to utilize it as needed. For these reasons, I respectfully support the Isla Carroll project and the redevelopment, and urge you to vote in favor of its approval. Thank you for your consideration.

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Thank you.

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Thank you. And can we have Diego Uriah here? Thank you. Go ahead.

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Good evening. Judith Sloan, 599-3100 I've been a resident for about thirteen years. I'm a farm owner and a lifelong equestrian. I am also on the Equestrian Preserve Committee, but I am not speaking tonight in that capacity. I'm quite familiar with Discovery projects in that I spend my summers up in Millbrook, New York, which is about ten minutes from the Silo Ridge Club.

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Discovery without a doubt does a beautiful job running a country club. They do not run the equestrian facility at Silo Ridge, a hunter jumper trainer runs that and most of the riders, if not all of them, who keep horses there and ride there are not residents or members of Silo Ridge. So I don't know that we've had a proven concept of them running an equestrian facility. I believe fundamentally that this is another country club. And while that's all well and fine, does it belong in the preserve?

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The ratio of outside membership 300 and I've heard between three hundred and three forty five to residents membership is way outweighed. So you would have more residents coming from outside to enjoy a country club at its core rather than an equestrian amenity because it will not be an equestrian amenity, the club itself. I think it's being recast tonight as a polo fitness center and a polo, I don't remember what the first word was, but country club polo is used as a descriptive for the two names that are in it. But it's not going to be equestrian oriented, from what I've heard. And so I think we have to ask ourselves is there space, is there a need for a country club to be in the preserve?

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Because fundamentally that's the business model for discovery and they do that very well, but this is they're asking for a change in zoning to put a country club into the preserve and I just don't think that's what we need. I'm very strong polo fan. I have box seats. I go every Sunday to NBC's games. My husband is a polo player.

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I am in support of preserving polo. We do have five to six fields that have come online at the Players Club which, yeah, maybe it's not Wellington proper from a mailing address but it's right, it's cheek to jowl to Wellington. They are playing high goal polo. I'm not convinced that we need a zoning change to preserve the Isla Caro Field. If Polo is really their mission and they're driven by that, why can't we just preserve the Polo Field? So thank you very much.

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Thank you.

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Can we have Annie Caruthers on this microphone?

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Diego Rutia, 4444 Washington Road. Nice to be here. Thanks for having us and thanks for doing this. The beauty about this is the feedback that you get. Right? And folks have spoken about what what it means to be out here, what it means to be an equestrian. And I can speak to my experience. So I bought a place out here at the Polo Club and like miss Parsky said, there are no Polo fields. You know, that was a huge huge deterrent for me. So we sold it and we've been looking for something like this.

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Something that actually truly represents polo at a first class level. When you see what they've done in Silo Ridge in New York and their other properties, it's a fantastic product. It's authentic to what it wants to be. It's extraordinarily respectful of the community it's in. And thinking about and listening to what the people want, I genuinely believe this delivers.

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Furthermore, I've been ecstatic to see how they really have embraced the feedback that they've received. They've addressed every single issue. The stabling, they reduced the lot in houses, the horses on property, every single thing that's been commented on, they've addressed in a meaningful way. So I urge you to approve this project. Thank you.

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Thank you. Randy Halversarod and Christy Lund each at a microphone, please.

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Who is the first person you called that didn't come up? I don't think she

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wants to speak.

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She's sitting right there.

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Yeah. It's fine. I'm just leaving. Good

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evening.

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Good evening. I have to take it off to read. Randy Halpershred, 852 Cindy Drive, Little Ranches. I'm more about the horse part of this. Everyone else is gonna talk about other things.

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I've been in the horse business forty eight years, thirty years here in Wellington, almost thirty one. I don't know if anyone realizes how hard it is to find a wonderful barn manager that's gonna take care of this facility. Anyone who's in the business knows that is not easy. Also, you're expecting this person to find the horses and yes, they're gonna be English. Are they jumpers, are they hunters, are they dressage, what's the discipline?

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And then they're gonna give lessons, they're gonna lead trail rides, not realistic. I do know that 10 lesson horses will never produce enough income to even break even. So, any idea what it costs a year for a horse? Cost to keep a horse for a year is approximately $31,000, that's including your staff. That does not include vet care.

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What if it needs to be hospitalized? Minimum $10,000. Starts to go lame? Ultrasound, all this stuff, $4,000 minimum. 10 horses, 31,000, without vet care, it's $372,000 a year.

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How long is Discovery going to pay all that money for basically a losing proposition? When they're done, what happens to the horses when it's not feasible? Barn's gone, I guess we could probably build new houses where the barn was. With the current Buy Right two acre plan, people have a choice, luxury home on two acres, or living in an equestrian lifestyle with your horse in your backyard. You could save the polo field and put two acre farms on the perimeter, but then you couldn't have the commercial club and make money.

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And something, the the woman who was speaking, the English lady, it's a private club. It's a private facility. You're not having people come and learn about horses. You have 27 homes and maybe you'll have some children. But it's not the community kids that are coming to learn about the horses. Bilisimo tried it, he had the riding club at Global, where where Global is. It failed. It's just not realistic. I appreciate your time, I appreciate all this. Yes, it looks beautiful, it looks lovely, it doesn't belong there. And again, if anyone needs the, I have it broken down, if anyone needs it.

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Thank you.

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Thank you. Avery Anna Hogan at this microphone please. Go ahead. Miss Lund.

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Christie Lund, 11739. I met with Neil Schiller upon request of Councilwoman Sylvestre and after the meeting, I immediately scheduled an appointment with my chiropractor from the whiplash this application has given me. First community barns are good, now they're bad, and now they're good again. Two acre lots. Remember this map? Oh, they're too small. You could never make an equestrian buy in this map. But now suddenly they can, because it's their project. The Polo Field, it was historic, it was iconic. Then at my meeting they said, No, it's not really iconic anymore, it's just its location with MPC.

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The only thing that never changes Oh wait, it did change. The big country club, now it's the Polo Club, because that sounds more horsey. They will still They're still not meeting up to the complement LDRs. So here let's go. Definitions matter. Section 3.2.1 of the LDRs say that if it's not in the definition of the LDRs, we use common dictionary definition. Mr. Schiller previously incorrectly stated that it doesn't say that. It does. And Wikipedia is a common dictionary. Comp plan, preserve equestrian lifestyles. Definition, you eat, sleep, and breathe horses. Your entire life is scheduled around horses. At my meeting, they stated that equestrians, we we talk to equestrians. They don't want to live next to the horses because stuff blows in your pool.

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So they just want to go to the barn, visit the horse, and then come home and be far away from the barn. My barn's behind my house by my pool, and I have a pool service, honey. They also don't meet the definition of of the equestrian development. The common equestrian amenities shall be the internal focus of the development. Their internal focus is the country club. Spectating is not a lifestyle. The polo field is not a common equestrian amenity that promotes a lifestyle. Spectating is not a lifestyle. They have to bring outside horses in to make the Polo Field an equestrian amenity. They don't provide it in their community.

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Comp plan, preserve large lot equestrian farms which exist in the EOCD. Any person will tell you, any horse person, two acres is not considered a large lot. Even and the applicant has told you that for five meetings, two acres are not large lots. Look at this. You owe two acres, it becomes one and a half acres. You can't sell that to horse people. Horse people will never buy this. That's not true. The realtors in Wellington have proven that false. They can sell two acre horse lots all day long.

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Then the other thing is they can't guarantee horse people are gonna buy in their community either. Let's say 23 homes, maybe five families. So we're gonna do all this so five families can go to the horse barn and pet a horse and maybe ride, and after two years the kids are disentratised and they go to play tennis, there is absolutely no guarantee that horse people are going to build in this community either. So that's not a that's not a good reason for them to say that. Comp plan permitted limited commercial uses as defined in the LDRs which support the equestrian industry.

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The spa alone is 30,000 square feet, which is the same amount that the barn is on, and then they have courts, restaurants, etcetera. That's all for the private people. This does not support the Wellington equestrian industry. It supports Discovery's bank account. Land use, comp plan one point two point five allows limited nonresidential uses in PODs designed to meet the daily needs of the residents.

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Those 27 homes must be extremely needy because they require a 111,000 square foot country club. It's unheard of, it's ridiculous, the proportion is total out of proportion. It fails it again. LDR six eighty eight, a deed restriction will limit in perpetuity the use of common equestrian amenities to owners, residents, and guests of owners within the equestrian development. This means that no members of the public can use the equestrian amenities.

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Sorry, Mr. Margolis, you cannot go in and pet that horse. It's private. Even if the barn fails, they can't rent it out to an outside source, and I even question if the MPC lease is even allowed under this section. The Polo Field narrative is kind of confusing, because on their little slide they say that the public, the members, and everybody can play on the Polo Field, but MPC is saying, no, you can't play on the Polo Field if you live as a resident and use your bring your horse there.

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And then on the on the staff tried to rewrite the last deed restriction to try to include that it does include public, they're trying to get around it. The intent of that deed restriction was that it was made for the residents of that community, not outside forces and not the public. Under the LDR definition section, trailer parking and seating and regular parking is not an equestrian amenity, even though their charts keep showing that, even the staff charts show that. That square footage should not be counted as an equestrian amenity, the definition says so. Okay.

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Frank McCourt could right now save two Polo fields. Why are you guys giving a concession saying one field? You should be lobbying for two fields. He has the means, he has the connection, he boasts that he builds all over the world. You could build, save two polo fields, put beautiful farms all around it, invest in MPC, make it greater. Isn't that what you guys should be lobbying for? I would vote for that. They would vote for that. We would save two polo fields. Why are you bargaining just for one? Thank you. Okay. Your time.

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Maureen Brennan, at this microphone.

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Wait. Sorry, my name was called previously Annie Karoni.

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Did you wish to speak?

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No. No. I didn't speak. I said no. But I

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Change your mind? Changed my mind.

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Okay. Then you can go to Al.

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So go ahead.

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You can go then. After. Yes. I'm sorry. Go ahead, miss Hogan.

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Mayor and members of the Village Council, first and foremost, thank you for your time and dedication to our village. As an annual resident, I am in support of this project. I am a licensed realtor specializing in Wellington equestrian and luxury residential markets. I have been actively representing buyers and sellers in Wellington for fourteen years. My business is rooted in working knowledge of buyer preferences, absorption trends and the evolving demands of Wellington's core markets.

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Beyond my real estate career, I am a USCF gold, silver and bronze medalist and a Grand Prix dressage competitor here in Wellington. My equestrian foundation began in Pony Club. Growing up in Pony Club exposed me not only to dressage, but also to eventing and show jumping, giving me a comprehensive understanding of the needs, safety requirements, and functional demands of a wide range of equestrian disciplines. This broad background has provided me with considerable knowledge of farm design, land use and the training environments required for multiple equestrian sports. I support the proposed master plan and specifically support the inclusion of half acre residential lots within the development.

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From a market perspective, half acre lots at this location are not only appropriate, they are aligned with the current buyer demand. The majority of today's Wellington equestrians do not stable horses on their own personal residential properties. Instead, most keep their horses at a professional training barn. This model has become a common standard in our marketplace, particularly among seasonal and high level competitive equestrians. As a result, my buyers and other buyers in Wellington prioritize proximity to the showgrounds, security, quality design and community amenities over maintaining larger acreage at their residence.

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Half acre lots allow for high quality homes that meet the lifestyle expectations of this demographic while maintaining a price point and maintenance profile that appeals to both seasonal and full time residents. In my experience, properties that offer a well designed home on a manageable lot, particularly when located near equestrian facilities like Apollo Field, demonstrates strong absorption and broad appeal to most buyers. Larger estate sized parcel, while valuable in certain submarkets, do not reflect the primary demand currently at this specific area of Wellington. Importantly, this site also offers an option for those seeking more land, as the plan includes four two acre lots providing flexibility and choice within the community. The proposed lot configuration reflects how the Wellington market is functioning today.

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It recognizes that modern equestrian buyers value convenience, flexibility and a lock and leave lifestyle, especially those who travel seasonally or compete at the highest level. Based on my professional experience in this marketplace, I believe the inclusion of half acre lots within the master plan is both market supported and consistent with the buyer expectations and desires in Wellington. Thank you so much for your consideration and time.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Good evening. My name is Annie Carruthers. I'm principal architect of Insight Design Group. I've been designing equestrian estates here in Wellington for nearly twenty years. During that time, I've had the privilege of working on private barns, competition facilities and community equestrian projects both locally and nationally and internationally, including collaborations with Discovery Land Company.

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I'm honored to be leading the design of the 10 stall barn, Grooms Facilities Walker and arena for the Isle Of Carroll development. Wellington sets the standard for equestrian design. The horses are world class athletes and the facilities that support them must reflect that level of excellence. This barn will be designed with equine health and safety as a primary focus. The layout prioritizes natural ventilation, generous aisle widths and appropriate stop proportions to promote airflow and reduce respiratory stress.

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We will incorporate abundant natural light while maintaining shaded protection from heat. Materials will be durable, low dust, and selected to support overall barn hygiene. The walker and arena will be carefully positioned to create efficient training routes while minimizing stress on the horses. Equally important is rider and staff comfort. The groom's facilities will be designed to be clean, efficient, and a dignified works basis.

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Tack rooms and wash areas and feed storage will be thoughtfully arranged to support daily operations. When the support team can work comfortably and efficiently, the horses ultimately benefit. Having worked in Wellington for nearly two decades, I understand both the architectural character of the village and the responsibility that comes with building here. My reputation depends on it. This project will reflect that experience, blending performance, safety, and thoughtful design in a way that respects the equestrian community and its surroundings. We look forward to delivering a facility that upholds Wellington's reputation as the equestrian capital of the world. Thank you for your time and your consideration.

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Thank you.

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Thank you. And at this microphone can we have Nacho Figueres, please?

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Maureen Brennan, 13481 Fountain View Boulevard. Good evening, everyone. And thank you for your time tonight. This application has gotten worse. And the reason is we now have a small barn managed by a club owner with no lease or any arrangement to keep it occupying as a horse farm.

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It can just be a paddock, actually it can only be a paddock, it doesn't need to have a horse. It is not controlled by the residents, and there's no guarantee that will stay being used as a horse barn or teaching or anything, it's not needed. But it has become the equestrian element, which means the polo field is not needed anymore. That's in bigger jeopardy. This deed restriction says it runs with the land, but there's terms in there, you can change it.

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The license agreement is subordinate to the deed restriction. The deed restriction is in control of Wellington and the owner, not USPA or NPC. The club is larger, gotten worse. The site plan around the Polo field has gotten worse. There's apparently a large lot property on each side of the North end that is supposed to be I think for a barn perhaps.

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But we've learned from Neil Schiller that there's no guarantees of horse people owning two acre lots for horses. But if there are, I can't imagine who might be bringing their horse there. Maybe a polo person, but it's practically 30 feet from the polo field. It's hard to tell on the site plan, because I don't have a thing to measure to scale. Our runoff zone is 30 feet, and the lot lines are almost there.

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There's certainly no tailgating there. I don't think that'll be very appealing for anyone, possibly even including a polo person, it's so close. Normal horse farm, polo farms have a pretty big distance from our polo fields to where the horses are. Now back to the biggest red flags is this 27 units, and we heard that big number of 30,000,000 loss. How is this 27 unit development going to survive?

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How is it going to pay for this? Well we know the country club is huge because this whole thing by the way is about a country club, we all know that. This is nothing but a country club, and Christy Lund just talked about how it's not even allowed. So these units I'm imagining are going to just be the starter kit for version two point zero when we can possibly do boundary line adjustments to nearby property, and not even have to put an equestrian development there. That could be to the north, and because of this easement of which I have right here from 1965, and they also have the title search that the U. P. A. Did when they bought the property, that doesn't include that deed. Maybe it was a bad title search company. So this easement runs all the way a mile from one twentieth to thirty fifth.

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The U. S. P. A. Has not even had permission to go out that gate. IPC couldn't go out that gate. There was like a certain occasion we could. So now that 12 foot easement is occupied by hedges, and it's also the MPC driveway. Bridle path, I think there's very specific ways we're supposed to have our bridal paths in this town, and this is not it. So if these people are now walking down and out, does that mean people can come in to NPC property?

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This is not a bridal path, 35th Street. It's an easement of 12 feet on our side, and we technically can go to Crab Orchard, Jacobs, and Ala Carol. Again, they have all shrubs there too, don't know how anybody's going to walk a horse along there, But this easement is very dangerous. The 27 unit count tells me something else is going on, and they find that all super concerning. There's lots of ways this does not satisfy the comp plan.

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In a way, satisfies 6.8.8 now because of this little barn that may not even operate, because we know how costly it is. It's not controlled by the residents. And it's a the whole we didn't even talk about the Polo Field much tonight because, you know, you can't park there. They said they expanded the tailgating. It's all nonsense.

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And and the amount of parking is not even really adequate because are they gonna grow the size of this membership to make up for the loss? We have a massive parking situation. NPC has turned into everybody's backyard parking lot, including the village, as we know we're in negotiations there, so this does not belong here by our regulations nor by the spirit. It's a country club just being thinly veiled as a horse community, and we're also being threatened, and that's not so thinly veiled. I've heard threats of suits several times tonight.

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Thank you, ma'am.

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Matt Guerrero at this microphone. Go ahead.

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Yes, sir. Good evening. Nacho Figuiras, 11950 Maidstone Drive. First of all, thank you so much for your time because this can't be easy. So I appreciate the effort of trying to understand what some of us love and some of us don't.

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I first came to Wellington from Argentina, which is where I'm from. I'm a professional polo player in the nineties. I learned to love Wellington from what the Palm Beach Polo and Country Club spirit was, and that was people that love horses, living around the polo field and where you could just walk to a polo field, kids running around, exposure to host courses, exposure to I think most of us here, people from Mexico, Texas, Argentina and many other places, we're all here in Wellington because of the love of horses. When I was first approached by Discovery and McCourt to help them try to understand how to, you know, best think about this property, the first thing that touched my heart was, okay, this is a great opportunity to bring the spirit back of what Palm Beach Polo was in the seventies or eighties when when when it the whole thing started, which I think was a very part of what Wellington is, what it is today. And that was homes again, fields, members, members of our country club, yes, members that are going to be able to enjoy horses and get to love horses.

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Some of them will already love horses. Some of them will probably learn to love horses, which is also something that I think is very important for Wellington. We cannot not think that Ocala is going to give us a run for our money. Polo, jumping, dressage, all of these things are very expensive. And we should feel very happy that someone like McCord and Discovery who know exactly what they're doing are willing to give Wellington a home for the things that they know how to do very well.

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I'm very lucky to be able to experience our Discovery projects. And what they do very well is they bring happiness to their clubs. And by that, I mean they make people, kids, have fun playing golf, riding horses. And that's a beautiful thing because kids that are having fun riding horses are probably gonna become the next generation of jumpers, hunters, polo players, things that we need. And most likely, these guys are going to be high net worth individuals, also something that we very much need because polo and jumping are very expensive.

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So I really, you know, believe with the bottom from the bottom of my heart that this is an important thing for the town of Wellington to happen. There's a room for everything. There's, you know, these people are going to eat our bread from the, you know, guy that makes the bread. They're gonna hire grooms. They're going to go to the supermarket. These members are going to consume food. They're going to do lots of things that I think are in the best benefit of Wellington. I know that if I have a chance and if I can afford it, want to live there because I want my daughter to go every morning to that barn that most people disagree with. And I really don't see why except them just trying to boycott something that I think is necessary. And my little daughter will ride her bike.

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She'll get on her horse every day on her bike and that's going to be a beautiful thing. And she's going to bring a friend and I'm going to bring a friend hopefully from New York and he's going to say, Wow, this is a great lifestyle. This is a great way of living. And hopefully, will fall in love with horses as much as most of us here have. And at the end of the day, whether we like this or not, we all love horses. That's the one thing that makes us all be here today. So I'm thankful for that. So thank you for your time. Good night.

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Thank you. We have John Green at this microphone.

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Matt Guerrero. I don't know if you can hear me. 11971 Maidstone Drive here in Wellington. Actually live right across the street from Nacho. Yeah.

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Happy neighbor.

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I came here tonight inclined to think that this was an equestrian adjacent project project and not really an equestrian project. I want to thank the council members for your patience and your fortitude in going through these very long meetings. I've been persuaded that on balance, this is something that we should do. Why? If the project's immeasurably gotten better, McCourt and Discovery Land are experienced and successful developers.

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There is a need in Wellington for both large farms, and also homes for equestrians who don't want to have horses in their houses. I think this is a good project that can work. Preserves a good field, and it helps enhance and support the NPC, which is having its issues right now. So, I don't want to go on too long. I've been persuaded, and thank you for your consideration.

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Thank you. Can we have Ken Marlin at this microphone, please?

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Good evening, mister mayor, madam vice mayor, members of council. My name is John Green. I reside at 1300368 Polar Road West inside Palm Beach Polo. Look, I've had the opportunity to speak to most of you about my feelings on this project. I'm very much in support of it for a number of reasons.

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Not everybody who's an enthusiast in the equestrian industry needs to be on a large farm. I work in real estate and I can tell you I've got a number of clients who, whether they are active equestrians or just enthusiasts of the sport, really love to be in a community where you've got modest lots. He's used to sort of come in, leave, enjoy your lifestyle. You know, my son and I were at the one of the weekday matches last Wednesday afternoon back on Field 6. Great pull up being played right now in Wellington.

2:32:23 – 2:33:0341

And, you know, we were sitting back on the west side of the field and kind of as the match was coming to a close, we looked out kind of over this, you know, beautiful vista looking east and just really taking in the beauty of what it's like to have this open green space. There's really nothing like this in Palm Beach County. And as you've heard tonight from so many people, land is being purchased, lands being developed. And when you look at what this developer could do by right compared to what they wanna do to preserve a lifestyle and an amenity that is so rich to this community, I think should weigh heavily on you guys. It's really an important opportunity I think to preserve something very special in this community.

2:33:06 – 2:33:5041

You know, what buyers want in this market is an opportunity to purchase quality real estate that's well designed, well thought out, well executed, that really does complement their lifestyle. And I think what Mr. McCourt and Discovery have put together here, checks a lot of those boxes. So, you know, you don't have to be on a horse to be able to really appreciate the beauty of what it's like to be surrounded by the equestrian lifestyle. You know, those polo matches during the week are open to the public. It is great to see families come out on, you know, whatever afternoon. There's 11:00 matches, 12:30 matches, 03:00 matches. You tailgate, you sit out there with your friends, you take in the sport, you enjoy the lifestyle of what Wellington has to offer. We see that horse in our logo. It's there for a reason.

2:33:50 – 2:34:2141

It's because people have an opportunity to really feel what it's like. So you know, people are gonna talk about the cost and how expensive it is. You don't have to own horses in Wellington to appreciate what Wellington has to offer. You know, what struck me more than anything during these presentations is when you look at the images of what they could do by right and what they're proposing. And it's just hard to not recognize the value of seeing the amount of open green space and how well designed this project is.

2:34:22 – 2:34:5341

Nacho just spoke here, one of the chief architects that I think was sort of the inspiration on this is, if you haven't seen his farm in Argentina, it's absolutely stunning. If there's an opportunity to try to model that and bring that level of architecture and style to this community, I think that's a big win for all of us. Look, I've been here for twenty five years and we've seen tremendous growth. Every time a development comes through council, whether it was my council, this council, previous councils, it's always going to destroy the equestrian community. We've seen it thrive.

2:34:53 – 2:35:1941

We've seen it grow. Murray Kessler last month, I think, stood here and talked about the tremendous growth in the economic impact that the equestrian regardless of discipline that the equestrian community has had in Palm Beach County. I mean, it generates about $500,000,000 in economic impact for for Palm Beach County. That's not gonna change. I think the threat to maybe curtailing some of that investment is if we lose these polo fields.

2:35:19 – 2:35:5841

And I appreciate what they're trying to do to preserve some of this stuff. One of the things that's not been talked about much is the relationship that this community has had with whether it's IPC or NPC currently and what those fields have meant to this community. George Lindley, the Palm Beach County Sports Commission has talked extensively about the value and the partnership and the relationship that we have had as a community with the sports commission. The ability to track national, local regional, national sports has been huge. And those numbers aren't always captured in some of the data that we talk about in terms of economic impact.

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But those fields and historically, IPCNPC has been a tremendous partner. They have opened up those fields for parking, for activities, for sports play, for things well beyond what we would normally use those fields for from an equestrian use. Field hockey tournaments, soccer tournaments, the proximity of what's going on at Village Park. Great sports complex. I think it's got, you know, that's on so much for this community, but I think we all know that there's a lot of issues there, and that parking is a problem. You've got a great neighbor across the street. I think that partnership is important.

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That is your time, sir.

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I know. It seemed quick

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I'm to so happy you have the five minutes too.

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Would have taken six.

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Anyway, guys, thank you for your time. I appreciate it. And on a personal note, mister McGovern and vice mayor Siskind, thank you both for your service. I know you guys are coming to a close here, so I wish you all the best, but thank you. And please support us tonight.

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Thank you. And can we have Phoebe Wesley at this microphone up next?

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Yes, sir.

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Go ahead, mister Robert.

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Thank you for allowing me to speak. My name is Ken Marlin. I live at 12929 Meisner Way. That is inside of Palm Beach Polo, which as a previous speaker noticed once had a very nice country club including some very nice polo fields, a nice restaurant by the polo fields and some nice golf courses most of which later got sold off by the developer. This is my second time speaking in front of the council.

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The last time Carol came up was my first time. I came here really because I knew about Discovery Properties. I think quite highly of them. I think they did a good job on some of their other properties and I wanted to see what would happen here. I got motivated to speak last time because as I listened, it became clear to me that what they were contemplating building was houses on lots that would be too small, an equestrian facility that would not be controlled by the residents, and a lot of facilities that were designed for members who were not necessarily be residents of the community.

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I do acknowledge that Mr. McCord and Discovery listened to the council. They made a lot of good changes to the community they plan to build. I think it's closer, but I don't think that they've gotten there yet. We have houses that will be on larger lots, that's a good thing.

2:38:49 – 2:39:3842

There will be some equestrian facilities, that's a good thing. I could support this if there were a little bigger equestrian facilities, if there were clearer internal riding trails, if there were clearly ways to connect to the external riding trails which I have not heard here. And if there were a path to resident control of the equestrian facilities including the Polo fields. I am concerned with what we experienced at Palm Beach Polo with the developer later deciding to sell off our Polo fields to sell off the golf courses for whatever reasons. I am not convinced that deed restrictions alone will be enough.

2:39:38 – 2:40:1242

Someone suggested putting land into a conservatorship. I don't know enough about the process, but the small equestrian facility that is controlled by the developer that is not the same as having a barn that's a common barn, that's common equestrian facilities for the residents to use. They've made a lot of progress, but I don't believe that they've yet gotten to what this village contemplated when it created the equestrian preserve. Thank you.

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Thank you. Tim Gannon at this microphone please.

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Phoebe Wesley, 2522 Windsor Way Court. I first would like to talk about the deed restriction. If this is approved, I think the deed restriction has to be put in a third party easement. I we have all seen how easy it is to remove land from the preserve, etcetera. And we need a third party land trust to hold this deed restriction.

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In addition, I think Discovery talked earlier about, can you tell me what you talked about with how many votes you need to do something to the Polo Field?

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Ms. Wesley, this is your public comment.

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If we need votes, if they need votes to do something to the Polo Field, I think it should be a super majority of four to one at the very least. My second comment is that it brings me no pleasure to say I told you so. You created a precedent with Wellington Lifestyle Partners, and now the residents of Wellington and the horse community is going to suffer because of that. And I think you've seen a lot of the same faces here that came for Wellington Lifestyle Partners. And I think you should listen to what people have to say.

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These people are in the equestrian community. You have some very smart people. You have Jill Townsend, who talked about the Jacobs. You have Maureen Brennan. You have Randy Halvistrod. So I would really suggest that you listen carefully to what these horse people have to say. You have Sarah Goose, Christy Lund. So please listen to them. Thank you.

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Okay. I'm sorry, Jim Mantrose up on this microphone next. No, no. Mr. Gannon. Go ahead. I'm sorry. I'm just calling the next person up. Jim. You're coming over to this

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You're the next speaker after Mr. Gannon.

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Stay now. I stay.

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Yeah, stay. You stay. You go ahead.

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Let's sit. Do this.

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All right.

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Five minutes. Let's go.

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There you go.

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Ready to go?

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Yes. Tim Gannon, 3585 Aiken Court. I live in South Fields. And I originally had the Outback Farm back in the 90s when I bought it from John Goodman, it was all tomato fields. And I built two polo fields there, 100 horses in the backyard, had a wonderful time, ran a league there.

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And I saw the deterioration of the Polo Club here with Glenn Straub and what he was doing to it. And I just said I went to John and I said, John, we got all this land. Why don't you build the finest Polo Club in the world? And he did. He that was the goal is to build the premier polo club that was great fields, quality fields, quality membership, a great restaurant, all of the above.

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So one of the things that I just want to talk about, and then I saw it deteriorate a little bit when it changed hands, then Stuart Armstrong stepped up with the national with the USPA and bought the club. And that you can rest assured that Stewart and the USPA will keep those fields and whatever, forever. And they'll keep the fields wonderful and run that place fabulous. So the idea is how do we partner with who's going to run these clubs and fields? So when I look at Destiny, and I visited their facilities in Italy, Baker's Bay in The Caribbean, in Jupiter, they're fabulous.

2:44:20 – 2:44:5744

They're really a premier developer in how they run a place. And if you look at what, you know, Glenn Straub has done to the Polo Club, deteriorated the fields, the golf course is going down, all of that is it's sad to see what's happened inside the Polo Club. I guarantee you that will not happen with Frank McCourt and with Destiny. I just think they're going to bring first class design, first class facility. And not only that, they're going to run a And people say, well, it's just a country club.

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It'll be one of the greatest country clubs in Wellington. And I rest assured, it'll be a place you'll all want to go and have dinners and celebrate life in general. It'll I just am in full support of what they're trying to do. And to miss this opportunity to bring Frank McCourt together with destiny, and to see what they can pull off in that 80 acres is going to be fabulous. So please don't let's not let this partnership, this band, and lose this opportunity to really have a great facility that can be embraced by all of us. Thank you very much. Thank

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you. Pam Wildman at this microphone. Go ahead.

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Mr. Mantras, you're

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Mr. Mantras, you're up.

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Okay. I didn't sign up to speak to this topic. Am I supposed to come later?

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Oh, if you're not on this topic, you don't have to talk. You're not required

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Was going to talk on the topic after this.

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That's fine. That's fine.

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Well, it says eight C.

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That explains his confused look. Eight C is

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Yeah. But we might have reshuffled the order by taking something out. So that's you're next when we get to This your

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is C and D.

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This is C and D.

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So you have

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This is C and D.

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Twelve minutes.

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Okay. We can have Carol Coleman over at this microphone.

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I guess I'm going a little bit earlier. So anyway, I'm sitting here listening to everything. And it kind of gets back down to the questions are easy.

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Decisions Hold the microphone down a Yes. Little

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Oh. You're not that fault.

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I'm I'm Ham Wildman. I live at 12520 Sunnydale Drive, Wellington, Florida. So the questions on what to do here is easy. This isn't complicated. You know who would buy those two acre lots?

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The people that have that love horses and are showing at Wellington International, they would love to buy those two acre lots. I appreciate that Mr. McCourt is a wonderful benefactor for the horse industry, and I really thank you for that. But if you want to preserve polo fields, there's a couple things. Preserve both polo fields.

2:47:26 – 2:48:0345

Why just preserve one on that property? Quit giving the developers, letting them chip away at all our comp plans and the LDRs and it's tightening the noose on Wellington because we want Wellington International to succeed. We've already committed to them. Let's give them a place where their customers can put their horses. Something that was said tonight that really concerned me.

2:48:04 – 2:48:2745

We all know developer 101. We don't need to define that. So the 10 stall barn will be built after 50% of the certificates of occupancy are issued. So when will that be? Ten years from now?

2:48:28 – 2:49:0545

When will that be? They're using oh, this is another I won't go into detail because other people have, but a huge country club is not limited commercial use on equestrian overlay zone. They're using Valiente and Wellington South as a threat. What's gonna happen is gonna happen. But I can tell you personally, you are scaring the equestrian industry.

2:49:05 – 2:49:4045

You are scaring me. There is a big polo club with five or six polo fields already built in Boynton Beach just right down the road. So many polo people are already going there. In Loxahatchee, there's Baldy Polo Club It's got four or five fields. This is happening because the equestrians are scared in Wellington because we can see the writing on the wall.

2:49:41 – 2:50:0845

It just keeps chipping away and it doesn't meet the criteria still. It's closer and I do appreciate the improvements that you've made, but it still is a square peg in a round hole. I think that's all I'm

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going to say.

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Thank you. Thank you.

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And then Liz Mariaca at this microphone. Go ahead, Ms. Coleman.

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I'm Carol Coleman, 14224 Stroller Way. Actually live in the same development as Mr. Ibracourt. I think that Discovery does a phenomenal job with the building. I have no complaints of the things that I have seen of theirs.

2:50:34 – 2:51:1022

But I just have a problem with this little 10 stall barn because there have been places like Equus in Boynton Beach, Calusa, equestrian states, Grand Cypress in Orlando, the Riding Academy that was a global, Equus. All of these were small barns where they were trying to do exactly what Mr. McCord is trying to do with this 10 stall barn. You're get somebody in there who is going to be hopefully a good manager. You're going to have to find horses that just about anybody can ride, which is not so easy.

2:51:12 – 2:51:4022

And they're basically going to be hunter jumper. I mean, if this is supposed to be a polo facility, then there should be polo ponies in there. And I know that one of the people from Argentina just said that he would love to have his daughter ride her bicycle over there to ride. But I don't think that the 27 houses that you're building there are going to suffice to keep this place active. And all of those barns that I mentioned have all failed.

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They cannot keep up with the financing of the barns. On top of that, we still haven't come up with a definition of the equestrian lifestyle. And I don't think we ever will. We just keep going around and around of what it has, but we don't really have a definition. But I don't think that this is really a horse development.

2:52:11 – 2:52:3522

This is a polo field of which there are two polo fields on that property. Why not develop the other polo field instead of putting in a 10 stall barn? With all the amenities, the groom's quarters, the covered arena, whatever. It would be more beneficial to have two polo fields. I think they have done a wonderful job trying to put this thing together.

2:52:36 – 2:53:0522

The two acre parcels, of which there are four, in my opinion, are useless. Because the majority of the houses that are gonna be in there are gonna be multi million dollar houses. And I don't think people are gonna wanna have their horse on a two acre property. And if certainly have more than one horse, and who's to say that they will be polo ponies? Probably hunters and jumpers, which won't belong in there because there's no place for them to ride except on the trails.

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So I don't think it's a very good idea to have such a country club in the middle of the EOTD. I think if you wanna have a small gathering place there, fine. But I don't think this belongs in the EOTD. Thank you very much for your time, and thank you to the two people who will be leaving council for all that you've done. Thank you very much.

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Thank you.

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Good evening, mayor, vice mayor, and to the council. Thank you very much for this opportunity to speak to you tonight in person. So as you know, I'm in support of this project. But I do want to congratulate you Because when I spoke here last, I encouraged you to really hold them to your asks and your recommendations, and in particular the programming. So I am grateful that you have done that because you had very thoughtful recommendations and suggestions.

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And I believe the improvements have addressed all of those recommendations and suggestions. The density has been reduced by 30%. And we now have a forty five year agreement with ten year automatic renewals with USPA, which also does provide that extra polo field, which is very important, as well as, and this is what I am really concerned about, is programming. Now I believe that there's a little bit of misunderstanding about the equestrian center within the development. That is for the residents only.

2:54:46 – 2:55:3046

And the programming will be controlled by Discovery and McCourt, and they will manage it all. That's what they're offering. That's the way I understood it. However, additionally, we have asked for, as I understand it, additional equestrian related programming, perhaps through USPA partnership. And actually last night at the Town Criers Candidate Forum, a couple of candidates mentioned the importance, and tonight, multiple speakers have mentioned the importance of offering equestrian programming to our youth of all socioeconomic sectors within the village, through the schools, through the Boys and Girls Club.

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So barring all safety concerns for horses and people at the intersection of the trails, I do encourage you to approve this plan. But also, I want to encourage you to use this opportunity maybe as the impetus to build out more meaningful programming for our youth and our residents who, for them, and me, myself included, the equestrian sports are a luxury. But we are the equestrian capital of the world, So let's put some back into that through these opportunities and through our existing stakeholders. Let's use this as the opportunity to bring more meaningful, consistent programming, again, through our schools, through our clubs. I've heard that it hasn't worked before.

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That doesn't mean that it can't work again in the future through very deliberate and very thoughtful planning. So thank you for this opportunity to speak. And thank you to Councilman McGovern and Councilwoman Siskin for your service. You. Good luck.

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Thank you.

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So now I have a stack of cards here that says they don't wish to speak, but if I call your name and you do want to speak, just come on up. Marcus Shult, supports. Preserve Polo, please vote yes. Laura Norris, just as I support. Rob Groy, I support. High level sentiment to this project to mimic the Wellington dwellings relocated to allow show expansion. This project is asking for similar something to preserve polo, voice to preserve polo.

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Madam Vice Mayor, our procedures are if you're

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here Oh, we're not going to read them.

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Comment. If you're not here, we're not going to read the comment. Got it. But we will Okay. Note whether you agree or Got

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it. Okay. That will be faster. Britney Halstead, I support. Does not wish to speak.

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If she reads your name and you're here, raise your

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hand then read your

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I'm You're here?

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Change your mind. Come on up. Name and address in five minutes.

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Hi there. Britney Halstead.

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Pull the mic up a little bit. Whoop. So we can hear you.

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There we go. Can you hear me now?

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Yeah. Perfect. We're

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good? Alright. Britney Halstead at 4552 right here in Wellington. Thank you guys for all supporting this beautiful city that we live in, the horse capital of the world. So, yeah horses, that's my passion, it's my heart, it's my my life, born and raised with them.

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And I founded a charity, Replay Polo and that's for the horses do their best for us, we should do the best for them and it's all retired polo ponies. And every single day I talk to people that are coming to me wanting to adopt a retired polo pony. And the majority of these people they have no idea what polo is but they're like, oh, oh, pretty women in polo and oh, the beautiful Ralph Lauren model, Nacho Figueres like polo. Like that's what people come to me with And they're like, we'd love to ride one of those horses, like where do we find that? And people find me online and so that's how they come around.

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And it's just the general public is they're very distant from polo but it's like a dream that everyone has is to be on these polo ponies. And I all of the replay polo ponies that I get, everybody in this room can ride those horses. Anybody can ride them. They've been there, they've done that, they're desensitized and they just appreciate the love that the beginners give them and they want to give them a cookie and they just learn to love the horse. And so with this, I would say that Discoveryland would be the first polo enthusiast neighborhood ever in the world and having this tin stall barn with these replay polo ponies and get it just growing the community with the neighborhood with the love of these horses, I mean and that's just the foundation of a brand new polo player.

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It's just learning the communication of the horse. And they start on their own two feet and then they can go to the the polo, the the exercise classes that they're gonna have that are gonna be for the equestrians and the polo simulator and starting off with the foot mallet and with all the polo professionals here in this town. I mean this is just nothing but a huge family and and it's just, I don't know. I just think it's the best thing this town could offer. And for Discoveryland who is a very well known neighborhood throughout the world, it's just gonna make this whole Wellington community bigger and better.

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And starting with these replay Polo Ponies to get the foundation of these horses for these people that don't know anything about horses, it's just it's just gonna blossom and yeah, I I support it.

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Thank you. Thank

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you. Eva Khan, I support. I do not wish to speak. Jennifer Santana, I support. I do not wish to speak. Sydney Norick, I support. Not wish to speak. Melissa Burns, I support. Tanya Nordby, I oppose, I do not wish to speak. Linda Margolis, I support.

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Erin Gallagher, I oppose. I do not wish to speak. Harris Bundy, I support. Stacy Simpkins, I support. Ruben Gracita, I support.

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Alex Saline, Alexa Saline, I support. Kayden Klop, I support. John Klop, I support. Tricia Holloway, I support. And Jim Ward, I support. And I think

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all the cards we

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That is all the cards we have.

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Does anyone else wish to speak? Because we're probably gonna close public comment. I know we've got a cluster of candidates back there. If anyone wants to go on record under oath about their comments and thoughts, mister sir, come on up. Fill out a card after you speak.

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Good evening, members of the board. My name is Ruben Graciela, provisional polo player for many years. I came over here forty five years ago to the first polo game in Palm Beach Polo. I saw this neighborhood grow up from 5,000 people to now. And we must remember that most of us are here because of the increase of horses and polo, different jobs and different things, but everything has been derivated to the grow up of the sport.

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Discovery is building something first class, which is nice to support something that increases the quality of Wellington. Also, many people opposes to having one Polo Field or one one barn, but I don't see any other developers, buildings or something like that that donate something for Polo. I don't see anybody donating an Polo Field. Inclusive private farms don't come over and give Apollo Field to the USDA. So I think we most appreciate that they donate.

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Some people think it's a little bit. We, Apollo players, think it's a lot. So I support the project. Thank you.

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Thank you, sir.

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Thank you.

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Anyone else? Seeing no one, is there a motion to close public comment?

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Move to close. Second.

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All in favor?

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Aye. Aye. The public comment portion is now closed. We've been going at this for about three hours more. I'm going to suggest we take a ten minute break before we get into questions and answers so everyone has a chance to, you know, do what they got to do, and especially our court reporter who's been typing furiously in the corner. So I'll be back at 09:45.

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Okay. Mr. Schiller will have his rebuttal

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as well.

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Sure. Yeah. We're gonna start back up. If everyone can take their seats and kill the conversation, that'd be great. Once everyone's quieted down, mister Schiller, you got like six minutes and thirty seconds or something like that of rebuttal time you reserved.

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Good evening. Mayor, vice mayor, council members, and staff. My name is Maria Faradinov of Stearns Weaver Miller, and I'm litigation counsel for Isla Carroll Polo and Residences. Tonight, this counsel is not being asked to grant a favor. You're being asked to apply the law. After exhaustive review

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Can I stop you for one sec? Sorry. We gotta start the clock. I guess this is miss this is this is your rebuttal time, mister Schiller? Okay. Okay. Because she doesn't look at all like you. Okay. Not even remotely. Don't even don't do that to her. That's terrible. Oh. Yes. Okay. Go ahead. Continue. Sorry.

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After exhaustive review, your professional staff concluded that Isla Carroll's master plan is fully consistent with the Wellington Comprehensive Plan and compliant with all applicable land zoning regulations. Staff recommended approval. That conclusion is not political, it's not emotional, it's legal, it's factual and it's supported by competent substantial evidence in the record. Under Florida law, zoning regulations must be interpreted in favor of private property rights. Compatibility with a comprehensive plan must be construed broadly to accomplish its purpose.

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And generalized public opposition, even passionate opposition, does not constitute legally sufficient grounds for denial. So the question before you is simple: Does this application comply with the law? And the answer from your own planning professionals is a resounding yes. Let's remember what this project actually is. Wellington proudly calls itself the equestrian capital of the world, and Isla Carroll strengthens that identity.

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The master plan includes an 11,000 square foot 10 stall barn, a 15,000 square foot outdoor equestrian arena, multiple paddocks, rings, groom's quarters, internal bridal trails connecting to the broader trail network, a permanent on horse site population, four two acre equestrian estate lots, and a professional grade polo field programmed and maintained in partnership with United States Polo Association. This is not an afterthought to equestrian lifestyle. This is equestrian lifestyle as the central internal organizing principle of this development and community. The comprehensive plan with respect to equestrian development requires merely three things: preservation of the equestrian lifestyle through common amenities number two, the promotion of multimodal transportation networks and number three, support of the equestrian competition industry. Isla Carroll exceeds each of those requirements.

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It does so without seeking waivers, without seeking variances and with 33% less density than what's permitted as of right. If the property were developed under the existing entitlements, it could contain smaller lots, fewer equestrian commitments, no permanent polo field, no required barns, no guaranteed bridal connectivity. Isla Carroll offers equestrian infrastructure in perpetuity. So if the standard is compliance with the code, approval is compelled. If the standard shifts to political pressure, market competition, or private preference, then we leave the realm of law and enter into something far more dangerous.

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This council recently approved the Wellington North project, nearly 300 multifamily units with significantly smaller lot sizes and far greater commercial amenities that bear little resemblance to the strong equestrian focus before you here tonight. Consistency in government decision making is not optional. It's a constitutional requirement. To approve lesser equestrian oriented developments that are more dense, as the Council has done for every single PUD in this zone, and then deny this project, which exceeds the equestrian requirements, would be arbitrary and capricious as a matter of law. And the consequences would not be theoretical.

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Isla Carroll has invested tens of millions of dollars in the village's regulatory framework and repeated assurances during this process. The plan before you is the third iteration, reduced from 40 lots to 27 lots and four two acre farm lots after responding to Council feedback again and again. Feedback and changes that cost Dyla Carroll more than $30,000,000 So I caution you to consider the immediate legal consequences of a denial here. If the applications are denied, the village will face claims under the Burt J. Harris Private Property Rights Protection Act, constitutional claims for the deprivation of vested property rights, claims for lost value, property value in the excess of a $100,000,000, attorney's fees, costs, and emergency injunctive relief.

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Litigation is not our preference, cooperation is. But the law provides clear remedies when compliant projects are denied without evidence. And let me be clear about another principle. Land use decisions cannot be based on who might compete with whom. They cannot be influenced by private club economics or speculation on the economic viability or success of a project.

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They can't be conditioned explicitly or explicitly on unrelated concessions. Such considerations are irrelevant under the code. They're improper under Florida law and will not withstand judicial scrutiny. Tonight, you're not just the stewards of Wellington's identity, you're the stewards of Wellington's legal obligations. The evidentiary record is complete. Your staff recommendation is clear. The comprehensive standards are satisfied. The lawful course is approval. Denying this application will not stop development of the project. It will only guarantee years of litigation at an immense expense to the Wellington taxpayers over a project that complies with your own rules.

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Isla Carroll remains ready to work collaboratively with the village, but is also prepared to defend its rights. This is not a routine

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We have less of a

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This is not a routine discretionary vote, this is a quasi judicial decision governed by established legal standards. So before taking action that would expose the village to significant liability, you should ensure that you fully understand the legal ramifications. If the council wishes to change the policy for future projects, there are lawful mechanisms to do so prospectively, but that option does not apply retroactively to a project like Isla Carroll, whose owners have detrimentally relied upon your code, your process, and your prior approvals. We urge you to follow the law, rely on the record, and we urge you to approve the applications. Because there was a question and answer session earlier, I would request that my colleague be allowed to provide a couple of responses to the public comment, and that Mr.

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Frank McCourt also provide some facts. I will though, because of time, if it's okay, hand out to the clerk a letter providing the sources, the legal sources and statutes that I referenced in

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Your my time is up. You. Your time. I just need one minute. No. You have time. Your time is up, and you can answer questions when we ask you questions. You've used your time for rebuttal to threaten us with lawsuit, which for ten years, first time someone ended their present presentation by threatening to sue us if we don't approve it. So thank you for that. First time

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for everything. Do wanna comment. I I, you know, I understand the body of law that has been presented. But, you know, this there there is no absolute right to a rezoning. The applicant, this is the standard that has been set forth by the courts.

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They have to show that the rezoning, they have the burden to show that the rezoning is consistent with the comprehensive plan and all procedural requirements. And if they meet that burden, the burden then shifts to the local government to demonstrate that maintaining the existing zoning serves a legitimate purpose or the decision denying the rezoning is not arbitrary, discriminatory, or unreasonable. And it has to be based on competent, substantial evidence. So it is correct to say that if they've met all of the standards that, you know, you would need to approve it unless there was competent, substantial evidence in the record upon which you could rely that was not arbitrary or discriminatory or unreasonable that establishes that it doesn't meet the requirements or doesn't serve a legitimate public purpose. So that is the standard.

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And we've talked before about what competent substantial evidence is. And I'm not, you know, suggesting how you should proceed, but I want you to know that there is no absolute right to a rezoning.

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Thank you, Ms. Cohen. I guess we're at the point where we're going to ask questions. I've got a couple really easy ones first. Have there been any changes to the license agreement with the USPA since the last hearing? And if so, what are they?

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Mr. Mayor, no, there haven't been any changes to the license agreement since the last hearing.

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Okay. You had a slide showing the approvals of WLP. Is it your position that because this well, prior counsel approved the WLP project, we're required to approve yours?

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It's not our let me take a second. Okay.

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The WLP project is a comparable project to this project, and as a result it would be a discriminatory treatment and an arbitrary and capricious decision to take a different action with respect to two projects that are similarly situated under both Burt Harris and under a writ of certiorari and constitutional review. So it is our position that if you'd like to change the law, the way to do so is to do so prospectively, like for instance, the ZIP, the zoning in progress.

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ask you a question? We we we got it. But here's the question I have for you. WLP was a removal of land from the Equestrian Preserve under the Charter that required four four votes. Does this project require four votes for approval?

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The point is that the WLP was permitted to be done and approved with more concessions than what we're seeking here

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But the WLP was a removal from the Equestrian Preserve.

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That was a request that was done by the applicant that was then abided to abided by by this Council. So as a result, there were two properties similarly situated within the preserve. 92 acres were taken out of the preserve, and they have multi family homes, which are smaller lot sizes than what Once Isla

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we took them out of the preserve, then that all didn't apply any further.

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The Isn't that standard that you need to look at is prior to any entitlements or removals from the preserve. So the properties were similarly situated when they were first coming to the Council for relief. When you took them out of the preserve, they got special treatment.

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being asking to remove are you asking to remove property from the preserve tonight?

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That's not the standard, with all due respect, Counseling.

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That's the You can answer

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the We're asking for any we're not asking for any land to be taken out of the preserve. We're not asking for any special many

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number of votes that it requires to approve this project?

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Three votes.

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How many did it take to approve that one?

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The four votes that were used were used for additional requests that were more onerous than what we're asking for here, as demonstrated by the slide. If you'd like you can reference it in the hard copies there. It outlines the different applications and how the Wellington project was much more demanding on the variances, the exceptions, the things of that nature, and that we're asking for none of those things here.

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Do you disagree with the statement that every project rises and falls on its own merits?

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Every project needs to be considered with respect to similarly situated projects, because the code and the constitution require consistency by governmental bodies. So to the extent that there's any ambiguity, any doubt in the counsel's mind as to what they need to do, then not only does the Florida Supreme Court say you need to in favor of the private property rights, but the Supreme Court and the federal constitution, frankly, under equal protection mandates that you treat similarly situated entities the same. So if it's legal for everyone else in the PUD to have no equestrian amenities and smaller lot sizes, that cannot be the basis for why you deny Isla Carroll the ability to do so under section 6.88. In other words, if you want to pass a law in the future that changes the legal framework, you could do that. And then you could solve the pickle analogy that one of the individuals spoke about by passing that zip law for future properties.

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Properties. But it's too late for Isla Carroll because they've already invested and relied on your code and your law. And that detrimental reliance equitably stops this council from taking a decision otherwise, and furthermore it creates what's called vested rights. And those vested rights are what we're here to explain to you all.

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Thank you for your explanation to me.

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Thank you.

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You're with Stearns Weaver, correct?

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Yes. Yes, Your Honor.

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Okay. You're aware one of your partners is our lawyer, right?

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I'm aware of all of the situations. We discussed it with your city attorney, with your with Ms. Cohen, the village attorney beforehand,

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But Ms. Cohen, we haven't waived any conflict here, have we?

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We have not, except that at this moment there's no adverse relationship. It becomes adverse if, for example

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I was feeling a little adverse.

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I was just going to say that. Respectfully, you're

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My point is that, you know, if they if, for example, this was denied, they would not be able to take an adverse position against the village. But just presenting on behalf of their client at a public hearing is not an adverse position currently.

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Yes. And we're actually supportive of the staff's recommendation and the advice of the counsel of the village attorney here that's indicating that your staff does recommend approval because that is the legal analysis that's been done. A lot of the evidence or a lot of the commentary provided to you was opinion and not factually based with personal knowledge, nor legal opinions by folks who don't have, with all due respect, any kind of law license or any kind of experience analyzing the plan. That's what the expert reports in your packets are there for. If you want to take the time to review those, you can

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able to shorten your answers just a little bit?

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I'm going to interject a

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little bit. First of all, although I did say that I believe that, you know, staff has recommended the project and concluded that it meets the requirements of the code. I have not weighed in on whether you have to approve or not approve this That is your decision based on the evidence and you know, it is correct to say that it has to be fact based evidence and it has to be in the record. So that is what you are required to consider.

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Mr. Schiller, can we talk about the construction schedule? I want you to talk to me about what the sequence of construction is going to be and this issue of that the barn doesn't have to be built until 50% of the homes are built or something along those lines. Do you wanna

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I'm gonna bring up Ed Devita from Discovery Land.

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Thank you, Ed Devita with Discovery Land. The the construction schedule that will be followed will be a traditional conventional construction schedule to the extent that the barn needs to have a certificate of occupancy before any of the homes can be, occupied. The infrastructure would be installed and all of the infrastructure built to the final specifications and and approved. The barn built and completed prior to occupancy of the homes.

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What was the point? I think we heard earlier from mister Schiller about the barn would be built when 50% of the homes were done or something along those lines.

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So what if I may go back to my PowerPoint? Sure. Sure. What we were talking about was the code requirement, which is that all common question amenities will be installed prior to a CO being issued for any residential use on the property. That's specifically right from the code.

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Mr. Schiller, question for you. Does the applicant or the developer intend to claim any kind of an exemption under six zero four point fifty for any of the equestrian nonresidential structures?

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Don't believe so. Madam attorney, I don't believe so.

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Okay. So is the applicant willing to commit on the record that the structures will be built with building permits and through that Let

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me just confer.

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Thank you.

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Madam attorney and mister, mayor and council, yes, we will, abide by the willing Wellington building schedule? Permit schedule? Code? Building code? Thank you. Yes. Mister Schiller, what is your client's definition of an equestrian lifestyle? What is our client's definition of an equestrian lifestyle? That's great. It's a good question.

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I think we're providing an equestrian lifestyle as part of this project. The ability to see and touch horses on a daily basis whether they're yours or not. The ability to drive past large equestrian amenities that we're proposing here in terms of the Isla Carol Polo Field. The ability if you so chose to have a barn on your property. We provide four such opportunities here and countless others if somebody's willing to combine lots. And so we feel that this project exemplifies that equestrian lifestyle.

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So under policy one point one point one where it says preserve the equestrian lifestyles and large lot equestrian farms which exist in the EOZD, your position is that having four two acre farms that people can drive past and have the feeling of being in a large lot community satisfies that element. That's your position?

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Our position is that, yes, having four two acre farms in addition to a 17 plus acre polo field situated in the way we are situating it, yes, gives the feeling of a large law community. And let's not forget that there is the optionality to combine Lots 21 Through 23 if somebody so chose. So yes, if you look at what we've done in terms of reducing our density, increasing our open space and providing these amenities, very much so. We meet and exceed policy EQ one point one point one.

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You said combining Lots 21 Through 23. Are are those the only other lots eligible to be combined?

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No. No. No. I'm I meant one through 23, meaning that you can combine all of those lots. And frankly, if somebody wanted to, I guess they could combine 24, 25, and 26 if they if they so chose. And I'll also, remind you, mister mayor, that on the northwest corner of our property, we have over three acres of equestrian amenity, common equestrian amenity.

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We'll get there. Okay. So anyone can combine any lots on this they can buy any lots they want and combine any lots together. Correct? Yes. And they can build they can put horses on it. Correct?

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Say that one more time.

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And they can combine any lots on this property as to however many slightly larger than half acre lots they want to cobble together, they can do that, and then they can install horse facilities, stalls, whatnot on that Barns on their property? Sure. And do their neighbors would their neighbors have an objection to not wanting to live next to horses if they chose to live away from the horses and someone wanted to build horses build a horse farm next to them? Would the neighbors be allowed to object to that?

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But you mean if somebody wanted to just combine, let's say, seventeen, eighteen, and 19? You want to know what Right.

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Someone buys a in Right. If someone bought a house and they didn't want to live next to horses, and suddenly someone bought those lots and combined them and put horses there.

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just Okay. Get that

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I'm just curious.

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So I've been reminded that there will be a homeowners association here with rules and regulations. Having a barn and equestrian activity on any of the lots is permitted. It's permitted use. It's permitted in the EOZD now.

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We one of the things we heard is that we that the change from first reading to now Mhmm. And this was one of my major issues in the first reading was that we add that there were no farms. We went through the list extensively. And you've talked to us about the adding of of the two acre farms at Lots 2425, 26, and 27. Yes. What is going to require that those four lots be farms?

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If anything.

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Not well, frankly, nothing. I don't know that we can require an equestrian use on those properties. But the good news is that as

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Can we do that? Isn't that what we just what we just said?

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Well, what I'm what I'm about to say is that there's always an equestrian use and amenity on the property, whether those are farms or not. And so, we hope that they are two acre farms, but if somebody buys that property at 27 or 26, 25 or 24 and they choose not to

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And they say

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Big house and an Olympic swimming pool, that's fine.

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That and that should be fine, mister Councilman McGovern because we have a three acre lot with an equestrian amenity for the residents on the property. So if people so chose not to have a barn on their property, they have the ability to interact with horses on a daily basis.

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Let's let's talk about the the three acre equestrian amenity. How is that plan how is that going be operated? It's 10 horses, right? 10 horses all the time?

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10 stores.

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I don't know that 10 Frank can address his part. Oh, okay. If you don't mind, Mr. McCourt would like to Whoever has the answers

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to the questions is happy to take the mic.

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Happy Mr. Mayor to take on this question. So I heard a lot of speculation about this barn and horse knowledge and operating horse businesses and so forth. Just for the for the record, I I formerly owned Global Champions Tour and Global Champions League, which is the premier jumping competition in the world. A qualification for understanding how this the horse business works.

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Personally, I've operated a barn here in Wellington for thirteen years, a 20 stall barn successfully, full of horses, with a management team that's been there consistently for now almost a decade. So as far as this barn is concerned, there was some speculation about it could be turned into something other than a barn, you know, the polo club analogy. We have agreed that this, like the Polo field, will be part of the deed restriction. It can't be turned into anything else. And it will be owned by the HOA, not by us in Discovery.

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It's a gift to the HOA, and we are standing behind it, however, to make sure that it's operated as a first class facility, just as I operate a first class facility in Wellington today.

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Explain that to me. How how can the HOA be required by the original builder to operate this barn to the level that you operate yours? There's no there's there's no question that that that yours and and your expertise and that kind of thing is is significant. But you won't be here doing this, and you just said it's gonna go to the HOA, but you'll be backing explain this backing it up portion.

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Yeah. So so there'll be a a management agreement to operate the barn. Whether it's us or someone else, we're backstopping the operation of this barn. So it's not gonna be up to the the HOA will own it. So that's part a, which is it can't be turned into something else.

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It will be covered by the same deed restriction as the Polo Field. And by the way, someone else asked that we have a super majority to change the use of of the deed restricted properties. We've volunteered a five zero vote by this council, which would apply to both the Polo Field and this three acre barn operation. So it will not be owned by the venture, will be owned by the HOA. It will be backstopped by the venture through a management agreement.

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So it will be operated in a first class way. I can't comment on all the other the speculation around what what other operations like this failed or didn't fail on well. I can only comment on what we're committing to and what and what our track record is.

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What if the HOA doesn't want that management agreement? What if they don't wanna pay for it anymore? They decide this is too costly. We don't wanna we don't wanna do it. We're gonna we're not gonna pay that. It's I don't I'm

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This is not a profit center for anybody. This is this is operating this for the for the HOA as part of the amenity. And this will be also in the documents, would assume, but you

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That's could exactly what I was gonna say. When we create the homeowners association, this will be covered in the documents that the HOA will own. They own the land, they'll own the land for the facility, they'll have to have a management agreement to ensure that that facility operates. This we're proposing this as part of our master plan. If you want to cram down and you want to have conditions of approval to operate that facility, we would agree to that.

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But can't the residents of the HOA vote to discontinue the operation?

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Not if it's part of

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Because it's now part of a deed restriction.

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Would you be willing to put in the restrictive covenant or the deed restriction, the requirement that a management agreement exist between the developer and the HOA?

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Yes, absolutely. Okay.

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Mister Stillings, how can we compel someone to operate a business in perpetuity? What if they decide they don't want to run it anymore? How can we force them to run it? And if they don't run it, what's the what's the repercussions if they don't run it?

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Well, would be as described in the HOA docs and within the the deed restriction. Otherwise, that's the place it would we would have the enforcement Well, if it was mechanism. But If

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it was a if it was a condition.

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Or a condition of the of the approval.

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My understanding is we can't force someone to operate a business if they don't wanna operate a business or operate a facility if they don't wanna operate a facility.

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That that is So

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can operate operate a horse farm if they don't want to?

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That that is correct unless they've agreed to a condition in the approval for the master plan.

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Which they agreed to.

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In which case, if they did if they, it would be a violation of the development order, which could be then become a code compliance action.

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Which means what could happen? If they stop if they stopped running it, it becomes a code compliance action. What does that mean?

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They would be cited, and they would go through the process to come into compliance or otherwise go through the process with the special magistrate and fines and liens. Okay.

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And in this case What if the fines and liens that accrue are cheaper than operating it?

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I mean, just I'm I'm asking questions.

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No. That's that's a possibility for sure.

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Well, it

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it And and it ultimately gets can turn into foreclosure.

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Right. Yeah. Someone's helping. Yeah.

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That's true. Mister Schiller, what's the total acreage of the project?

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79.17 acres, which is why you have to change out the description, legal description. It was it was erroneous in that legal description.

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Can you put up your slide that shows the use of the polo field for different persons?

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Use of oh, the checklist?

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The checklist. I wanna understand how it's open to the public and how how the public has access to use Sure.

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So as we've said and been consistent, the U. P. A. Is programming the field not only for competition on Fridays, but on Saturdays for Polo clinics and kids clinics that they currently operate at NPC. They I believe the plan according to Bob and and Bob is here if you wanna ask him specifically is to move that over to Isla Carroll on Saturday. And so any member of the public that wishes to join those polo clinics, demonstrations, what have you, whatever the program is, will be open to the public.

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How does former mayor Margolis have to come out and pet horses? What under what program would that happen?

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I'm trying to understand. One of those Saturday polo clinics.

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and I'm we'll be happy to proffer conditions of approval to ensure that, you know, there is public programming on the Isla Carroll Field. We think it's very important. I know it's very important to USPA and it's part of their mission to expand the sport of polo, and we a 100% agree with that.

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Can you show me in the plan where the public spectator area is and where the public tailgating area is? Sure.

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And the capacity that'll that will be able to use watch it from there.

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Absolutely. If this if this work for you guys, this right here, that is the expanded increased trailer parking and tailgating area. Currently, I believe the capacity at NPC for 10 by 10 tenths is 30. And we believe we can double that here on the view viewing area or in the viewing area. And additionally, we've increased the trailer parking to allow for obviously more trailer parking.

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We feel that this is a phenomenal opportunity to watch polo and tailgate. We have proposed potentially a tiered spectator viewing area. We used to we had a rendering about that, but it looks like it's become a little bit outdated. But we are committed to ensuring spectators at Isle Of Carroll for USPA events and other equestrian events.

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Spectators on both sides of the field?

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So on the west side of the field, that is Parking. Right? Well, on the west side of the field is is the Polo Club with those viewing areas. We do have some special event parking on the west side of the field. Sorry to go so fast. We do have some parking there as well. There we go. And went south of the Polo Club.

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Right. That that's a parking area, and then there'd be there'd be spectators who are club members in the club. Right? That's who gets

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to use the club? Club members and residents. Yes.

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Okay. And then all the members, all the residents have to be club members.

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Right? Residents have to be club members.

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So club members. There other than viewing from the club area, the dining area, is there any spectator opportunities on the west side of the field?

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Let me double check with the team. Under special situations, maybe there's a really popular match. We will coordinate with the U. PA to provide the safe space. I don't you know, safe space to provide for tailgating on the west side of the field. Obviously, there's way more space on the east side for tailgating, but on those certain situations where we wanna provide additional so long as USPA can, agrees to that and provide for the safety of of the riders and the horses.

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You said something about a tiered spectator area. Where is that?

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That would be in the viewing area, part of the viewing area. That's what we've we've considered in the past. And I I believe we still wanna have a tiered viewing area for for spectators. For the public? For the public. Yeah. We're gonna we'll build a either have stands or we'll build a tiered seating system into the into the ground.

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Okay. So but the but so the spectator viewing area and the tailgating area are the same space?

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Yes. Okay.

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How did did then between first reading and second reading, did the number of memberships at the club change?

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No. And thank you for bringing that up, Councilman McGovern. So at the very outset of this plan of this program, excuse me, this development, at this master plan, oops, the first one that was withdrawn had a cap of 300 members for the club, outside members for the club. Once we came back with this revised master plan, that increased to 325. And we have not moved from that 325 number.

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325 outside members plus the residents? Total membership. Total membership.

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And what constitutes a member? If if if Neil Schiller was a member, does Neil Schiller's whole family get to come? How many how many people get to come as part of Neil Schiller's membership? It's it

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let me double check for It's a family membership.

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Of just your immediate family or how far down does that go?

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Let me let me get some clarity for you because I wanna be accurate. Thank you. We've we've caucused. It's gonna be immediate family.

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So 325 memberships could be up to maybe like 900 people. Right? If you

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Well, if you husband and wife, two kids.

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I'm gonna assume two kids. I was going one kid just to be on the low end.

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Some may not have any kids. Right.

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Some could have any.

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They may have a lot. That includes the members you explain the relationship between the membership at IPs or NPC and and this, what's your remind me how you're doing that.

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So every time somebody buys a one of the properties here as part of our plan, they will also be getting a membership at National Polo Center from the project.

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Okay. So that so in the new iteration, that number has decreased? It's 40 or something before and now it's down to What would it be? 27?

3:54:270

Let's talk about the community barn aspect. And I know it's maybe apples and oranges. But can you point to any examples where community barns have been successful in in Wellington or nearby to Wellington?

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Let me see if Helena can come up and maybe answer that question as our one of our equestrian experts.

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I'm afraid my knowledge of these failures in Wellington is not good. So I don't know what kind of basis they were were banned. I don't know if they were riding schools or boarding. You know where someone could buy a horse and board it as part of this 10 stall barn. Then you'd already have 10 people with a horse each.

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Or whether it's going to be horses that are owned by the governing body and give lessons on those horses. So I don't know how these failures took place. I do know as Frank McCourt said before, he's run a very successful barn for a long time. I myself have been in this business my whole life. I know a lot of successful people who run barns that don't fail. So my experience is more of success stories than failures. But the specifics of why these other places in Wellington failed, I don't know because I know a lot of successful barns in Wellington.

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Right. Well I wasn't asking for the failures, was asking for where community barns were successful. Where the Yes. Horses are not owned by the actual people, but they're owned by the community.

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I don't know of any that actually exist at this time. So, I wouldn't have any numbers to quote. But I definitely know how to run a successful barn as a community, as horses owned by outsiders, or owned by the people who are running this place. So I I don't think it's an issue to make this work.

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But there's a difference between a private barn and a community barn. Right?

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Correct. But I've worked in both, and they're both successful. I've worked in community barns, where there are private borders. Let's say 10 stalls, 10 different private borders. That's a community barn, and they are very successful actually. In fact, there's a there's a lack of them. That's the biggest problem.

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Are there are there successful community barns in Wellington that you know of?

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My knowledge of Wellington as in private barns because they they are then run privately. I would have to find out. I would have to find out. But I'm fairly sure that there are barns where people can just come to Wellington with a horse and be part of a community barn. It's not like where you have to go into a barn where there's a trainer present and you have to have three horses. You can go into a barn with one horse. And they do succeed.

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Thank you. Thank you, Elena. Mister DeVito also wants to Yeah. Chime in on Sure.

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I've been to Silo Ridge.

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Oh, Ed DeVito. So there's a lot of confusion about this community barn idea or whatever. There's probably thousands of barns in The US that are community based where people like Helena described, youngsters can get exposed to horse horses, horse keeping, learn to ride, and grow within the sport and either continue on and advance and go into a professional barn or move on into some other aspect. I think miss Storman described the aspiration quite well. I'm personally familiar with it.

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Both of my daughters grew up in a riding at a community barn. They start my youngest daughter started when she was six years old. Both of my daughters went on to be on the US Equestrian team and competed at the World Equestrian Games for Team USA. And a number of their friends also from other community barns grew up in that manner. But the most important point is this is not a business. This is a common equestrian element. Okay? This is like a tennis court or a trail system or another common element of a community just like your code describes. And McCourt and Discovery are gonna build the barn and make it great. We're gonna fund the horses.

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We're gonna fund the operation. We're gonna operate it. We've Discovery has 40 projects across the world that are all successful and McCourt has a portfolio over their history that's 10 times discoveries with a total commitment to make this successful. It's easy. It is not hard to run a 10 person barn. I have a barn at my house, my wife and I operate it. I've got horse of the year champion horses in my barn. So from from the US Equestrian Foundation. So it's not hard. There's gonna be horses on-site three sixty five days a year, seven days a week? Okay.

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Say yes.

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Yes. Yes. Okay.

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Are there grooms on-site twenty four hours a day?

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There's two we proposed two groom's quarters so their grooms would be on-site.

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Okay. All year long, there'll be someone or two people. How many people are gonna be on-site?

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When there's horses, there'll be grooms.

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But you said there'll always be horses?

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I'm sorry.

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So there'll always be grooms? You said the horse would be there three sixty five.

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said And when

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the horses are there, the grooms will be

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there. Okay.

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Mister DeVita, when does the when does the club get built in the in the in the as the construction as the various constructions are getting done, when does the club get built? What order does does that fall into?

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It's relatively early in the process. The infrastructure comes first. The barn will be following the infrastructure. The club amenities will be built thereafter.

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And when when will there be memberships to the club sold vis a vis the sale of the homes?

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When the there may be a an offering of memberships that are forthcoming concurrent with the sale of the homes, but the membership will be become effective when the amenities are in place.

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I don't know what that means. When the club is ready to open the

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Club members can go?

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When when when activities about the amenities are are ready to take place.

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When does the the lease with USPA start?

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Joe, as our USPA agreement expert, mister Joe Camp will

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answer that question.

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Again, Joe Camp with the account the applicant. The agreement starts with an initial term upon approval of the project for use of the field immediately. Once the product is built, the longer term kicks in and the full term that is associated with the use of the field in connection with the project kicks in as well. That's a forty five year term extendable by the parties on mutual agreement.

4:02:17 – 4:02:309

I had a while we're on the Polo field. Yes. Please, John, might You ask all the asked all mine. But so it's a licensing agreement versus someone who had mentioned a land trust. Can you walk us through that and like why is that better than

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I think it'd be helpful to note, colloquially, a license agreement might be known as revocable, but this license agreement is not. There's distinct limited termination rights. Once it's in place, it can really only be terminated if there's a a casualty on the field and that's a right exercisable by USPA. If USPA fails to exercise its obligations under the agreement, which we discussed at the last hearing, if you may recall. Or if USPA is no longer operating NBC as as Apollo Center.

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Other than

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those two occurrences, USPA is stuck in this license for forty five years with 10 renewals and They're

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paying they're not paying any fee for the use of the field.

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But they they maintain it?

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Right. To the extent of their use and Forever. If they seem to, we're obligated to pick it

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up. Okay.

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Okay. Thank you.

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Mister Schiller, part of your argument for the change in zoning or the request to change zoning was changed conditions. Yes. And I think you said the change conditions were based upon the loss of total fields in Wellington. Correct?

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That's one of the change conditions.

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What are the other change conditions that you're relying on for this request?

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Similar to staff, the let me get to that

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Push my head when you scan that fast.

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I can't follow what we're doing. There

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we go. The very similar to your own staff's argument, which is that people are moving to Wellington. It's become, you know, very popular. You can look at the chart. The reason that there is this dip on the chart is because that's when the census caught up to the, projections, and then there was some COVID aspect to that also. But that's why it's flattened out and it's going back up as of 2023 to 2024. And as you know, you've driven the roads here. It's going up. Wellington prides itself on equestrian development. You have a horse as part of your logo.

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And that is inclusive of a equestrian lifestyle that the village promotes. As more people move to Wellington every year, equestrian development in and of themselves are limited. So we are offering 27 different opportunities for people to live an equestrian lifestyle very similar to what you promote. And again, as as we said, the as of right plan that we can do without without any rezoning, without any master plan approval Right. Doesn't have any guaranteed equestrian with it. Right.

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But you don't wanna do that. We've we're clear on that. I understand that.

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Correct.

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What's the acreage of the of the of the club and its amenities?

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The acreage of the club and its amenities. I thought I had a slide. I thought it was on one of the slides. I'm gonna get that information for you.

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Eight eight point seven acres.

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There you go. I didn't hear what you said. 8.7 acres or so, mister Sillings.

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I I'm I I made my comments at the Polo Field last time, so I'm not gonna make those again.

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But I'm I'm still struggling with the six point eight point eight d one that says the master plan shall provide that the common equestrian amenities shall serve as the internal focus of the development. And I understand you have a equestrian amenity up in the corner that will serve 27 home sites. But to me, what continues to be the internal focus of the development is the country club that will serve probably 900 to 1,000 people, right? I mean, I understand you're telling me that the internal focus is the farm up in the corner with 10 horses in perpetuity, that the 27 homeowners can go out there and ride and pet and touch if they so choose. But how is the internal focus not the country club which is going to serve 900 members, most of which will be from the outside?

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And that's where I was stuck last time on six point eight point eight, and I told you what you need to do when you added this the corner up top with the with the shared barn, But I'm still struggling to how that equestrian amenity is the internal focus of this project. Because to me, it is not. Just based upon looking at the plan and hearing everything your team has told me, not what the other people have said.

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Okay. Well, let me try to unwind this for you. So when we the master plan shall provide common equestrian amenities that serve as the internal focus of the development. So to us, the internal focus of the development is those 27 residents, is why we made the equestrian amenity resident focused, resident only. Further

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Well, you do that because you have to. Well,

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But it's also very important to the fact that it's the internal focus of the an internal focus of the development. And, but not the. It could be the focus of the development. Every 20 we have 27 homes in the Equestrian Preserve that wanna have an equestrian lifestyle. We're providing that lifestyle as part, which is so is paramount to this project as part of the common equestrian amenity.

4:07:40 – 4:08:2210

That that equestrian, that three acre plus plot offers those 27 homeowners the equestrian lifestyle in addition to all the other things that we've talked about. So that is the internal focus of the development. And also and also I wanna point out that all the other amenities and experiences too, the bridal trail, the polo field, the connect the external connection to the the bridle trail system. All of these things combine to be the internal focus of the project.

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The internal bridal trail, but let let's go back to the x to the connecting to the bridal trail system. I think you said it was the gray trail. Explain to me how that happens again.

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So let me just point out. Okay. Mister McClure,

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why you take

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this one?

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Just because I happen to have personal information on the easement. Because we own Crab Orchard as well, which is the the property west of Isla Carroll. And the easement is is for the benefit of Isla Carroll and Crab Orchard that connects to the South South Fields Trail. It's a twenty twenty four foot easement. Is that correct?

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To the South Fields Trail, which is what?

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The Gray Trail.

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The Gray Trail.

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South Fields

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So will you see the dotted orange right line? That's the the easement connection that runs along Crab Orchard and connects to the Gray Trail. And there were comments made about it being covered with shrubbery and so on and so forth. It's a 24 foot easement. 12 feet of that easement is on the Crab Orchard property and 12 foot is on 35th Street.

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So it's ample for a bridal path connection and there's a by right permission to use that. There was also mention of a gate that somebody's put up at the end of 35th. That doesn't prevent our ability to use that easement. We have a right to use that easement. So whoever's put the gate up has to open the gate. For the

4:10:005

time somebody wants to ride through there? Sorry? Anytime somebody wants to ride through there?

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Yeah. I'm I'm not sure if it could even be closed, but anytime somebody wants to go through there, it would have to be operational.

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And is there a bridal trail in this area now?

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In the gray my understanding

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if it's a dotted orange and the dotted gray. Is there a bridal trail there currently?

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Up and down South Fields Road?

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No. Here between along along the Polo Field and the practice

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35th Street.

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That's what we're creating. That's that's the connection we're creating. There is one that exists along along Southfield.

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But so there's gonna be you're gonna be building a bridal trail

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in my is that right?

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Yeah. You're gonna be building a bridal trail here?

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Yes. Okay.

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Is that part of this application? Or is that we're talking about that now?

4:10:56 – 4:11:1010

No. It's not part of this application. We we will if if if we're successful tonight, we will agree to a condition of approval to install that along with everything else.

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Mayor, if I may, I have a few questions.

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Oh, please do.

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Thank you. Mister Schiller, you mentioned that there are 27 equestrian lifestyle homes that are gonna be built. Correct?

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I I said that there are 27 residential lots.

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I'm gonna just be I wanna be very accurate. Four of those lots are two acres, a little bit over two acres. Right. Lots one through 23 are about a half an acre. Should average out to be half an acre.

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But for an equestrian lifestyle?

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Whatever. Yes. I mean, we act I actually don't have it on here, but we've laid out those the smaller lots too to for a home and then yes. They will have the ability to to interact with all the question amenities that we proposed.

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So it it it could be myself that would wanna move there, although I'm not in a question?

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Absolutely. But the good news is, Councilwoman Antonia, that if you wanted to be in equestrian, if you wanted to begin riding and learn about horses and taking care of them and tacking and all of those things, you have the ability to do that here. You don't have to be on a two acre lot. And I think that that's important because we're we're really improving accessibility to the equestrian lifestyle for people that don't want two acre lots or four acre lots or 10 acre lots. They want half acres.

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In fact, that was not to go backwards, but that was one of the justifications a previous project had used for using smaller lots or having smaller lots as part of their proposal, part of their project. Because smaller lots provide access to this lifestyle.

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Let's go over to the communal barns. How are you going to or the applicant, whomever, will manage that? If you've got 14 families that want to use those barns, and we've got 10, how do you how are you gonna coordinate that? That's

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let me that's a great question. Ed, do you want to talk about that? Yeah.

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Miss Storman spoke of the approach to that. The barn would have horses that we would maintain. We would have a barn manager. We would have grooms on property maintaining the barn and the barn operations. People who live in the homes of the other than the ones that qualify to have their own barn on them according to the code of Wellington would not be keeping their personal horse at the barn. These would be horses that the homeowners have and own and can use. They're shared horses.

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Correct. Yeah. But if I have 14 that wanna use it that same weekend

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Oh, no. You it's kinda like a restaurant. You have to make a reservation. So if you're if you're going to but it's not too many. Right? There's twenty twenty seven homes and you've got, you know, 10 horses. There's plenty, plenty, plenty of horse time for that few of users. But the key point is it would be coordinated by the barn manager. There'd be a schedule. You could make an appointment for a lesson or make an appointment for a ride to use it. Now anybody could go and see the horses and feed them a carrot or an apple and take the kids there or learn a bit about horse keeping anytime. They'd be welcome because it would be their barn. But in order to do ride in the arena, that would be coordinated. Similar to other barns in Wellington. And

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then I would like to ask, we had some passionate residents here tonight. And they this is their world. They breathe it. They live it. This is how they live. What would you say to them with this project coming in of how it's going to change for the better, if at all, to these residents that we have in Wellington?

4:15:32 – 4:16:0510

Okay. Let me just make sure I understand the question. Okay. How am I how are we what makes this project great and why are equestrians going to love it? It's a very fair question. Let me point out this. Let me go back to the site plan. So, we've heard that they're losing Polo Fields in Wellington, they're not building new ones. Number one, we're saving this polo field. We're preserving this polo field.

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That's important. That that contributes to the equestrian lifestyle, directly contributes to the equestrian competition industry that the the village prides itself on. Number two, we're programming and using that field with the U. P. A. The NFL of Polo. That's important. That means that that field is going to be used and maintained by polo players as long as U. P. A.

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Is operating and maintaining it, then field is going be maintained. And we know from Mr. McCord or Discovery that they're going to backstop any activity financially to ensure that the field is always maintained. That's important. We don't want that field going fallow. We want to actively use for equestrian. Third, the equestrian amenities. I know that the opposition doesn't like the fact that we have an equestrian amenity here or that it's not gonna be used, it's gonna fail, etcetera. However, the opposition did concede that this is truly an internal equestrian amenity. So, think that's an important point.

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Fourth, every unit owner, lots one through 27, have the ability to be on horses every day, whether they own them, whether they live with them, whether they feed them, whether they take out the manure. We are providing that equestrian amenity to people that are beginners and intermediate. Why does that support the equestrian lifestyle of Wellington? Because we're adding to it. We're adding people that are interested in horses.

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That's the only way the lifestyle is going to continue in this village. And fifth, we're drawing people to not only the sport of polo, which is important, but also we're we're creating we're creating future equestrians. And I think mister McCourt wants

4:18:07 – 4:18:5123

I just I just thank you. I just wanted to add, councilwoman, that I really hear the people in this community and and their concerns. And you might recall when I when I spoke at the first hearing, you know, was grateful that there's a lot of people that support the project, but I respect the people who don't and their right to dissent. The point I was making is that their recourse is not to turn down a project that meets the provisions of the village of Wellington code. The recourse is to change the code.

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And I believe that strongly. The second point is that we are going to make a great project. We have the reputation, and you heard even those that were opposed admit that we know how to operate in a very high standard in the horse business. We have that reputation. We've invested in this community greatly in the horse, in the equestrian lifestyle and business, and we've invested a lot of money and time at a very, very high level, and we're gonna bring that to this project.

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So everybody living here will have a great experience. Everybody visiting here will have a great experience. This barn will be run-in a first class manner. The bridal paths will be run-in a first class manner. The polo field will be done in partnership with USPA in a first class manner. This community deserves first class projects. And I'm committing to you personally that this will be a first class project.

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And I appreciate that very much, but that still remains the fact that that is the fabric of the preserve, where these residents are at. And there has to be some level of not affecting them, which I know it's hard to do because you have a beautiful project that you're trying to do. But at the end of the day, again, since they live there, breathe that, that's, and that's not something they're going to be able to be part of, unless they wish to do, obviously. Yeah,

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Yeah, but the fundamental point is that we're complying with the code, we're committing to all of these things, and to do it in a first class way, and I hear them, And I appreciate the difference of opinions. I also appreciate very much the big level of support for this project. And I heard those voices too. And

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there's a growing concern in the community based on that perspective of those opposed, and you all want to change the code, then that's your prerogative. But it works proactively, not retroactively. And we're doing our best to play by the rules that exist today.

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And I have one question for Mr. Stillings. Mr. Stillings, we've heard different definitions of the six point eight point eight. Does the applicant meet the six point eight point eight or not?

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Well, you'll find in the staff report the staff concludes that the proposal does meet six point eight point eight.

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Thank you.

4:22:09 – 4:22:365

Mister Sillings, while we're back to you, can you just talk to me about we had some discussion about PUD's with counsel for the applicant. And I just want you to explain to me how this PUD differs from Wellington North, Wellington South, and other PUD's in this area.

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I mean, you have to extend the meeting at eleven. So how much time do I have?

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You have plenty of time because I expect we're gonna get a motion to go past the lunch. So take right. Trying to

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throw some levity in. So Wellington South was part of Wellington Country Place. So it was already that piece is just a part of the larger PUD. Kelly and Corey can correct me if I get any of this incorrect or they wanna add some color to it. Wellington South, that portion of the Country Place PUD was Pod E F And G and already had a set number of approved units.

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And what they came in and that and got approved for was actually fewer units than what they originally approved for. Wellington North is a piece within the Wellington PUD, which is the original Wellington community prior to incorporation. And that too was just a pod within the overall Wellington PUD. And so that's how it this is essentially creating a a new PUD for this property for this this just less than 80 acres. Were you looking for more than that?

4:23:58 – 4:24:115

I under I I think that that's helpful. Tell me about the club. What in the when the application can limits the club to this 325 members?

4:24:12 – 4:24:457

Well, that's a great point. I think in terms of the a few of the conditions or or things that have been committed to, that was gonna be an added condition that I would make sure that is included in any motions. There were several other items that we can go through the list when you're when you're ready if, at least from from the notes I've been taking on what they've committed to that's not currently a condition within the current resolution. And that would be one of

4:24:4518

them. K.

4:24:480

Let let's do this. Would someone like to make a motion to go past eleven? Just so can take care of that.

4:24:525

I'll move to go past eleven, by one hour.

4:24:560

All in favor? Aye. Aye. Okay. We're gonna go past eleven, obviously. Go ahead. You weren't done.

4:25:01 – 4:25:135

Well, wanna I wanna come back to maybe to the applicant and talk about where we came up with the 325 people, why they're necessary, whether they're agreeing to that limitation.

4:25:140

I think to be clear, it's 325 memberships, which is more than 325 people. Just so Right.

4:25:195

Because 325

4:25:200

memberships Right. We keep saying members as individuals as memberships.

4:25:27 – 4:26:0618

So during the planning process, we were looking to find the appropriate scale for the project, for the property and the amenity set. And we we we we found that 300 to 325 aligned well. Now sometimes it is a family membership, but even if you have a membership, you still have to make an appointment you know on a reservation to be able to use the facility. So you wouldn't have all members and all family there at any given time. There's also a history about use and occupancy that we take from our experience to know that that works.

4:26:06 – 4:26:2818

But putting the cap on that we self imposed the cap so that we could manage the club to minimize the impacts. So those impacts included things such as traffic and those were all evaluated. Our engineers used those numbers to prepare the traffic analysis and the other impact reports and that's been our commitment and the basis of the design.

4:26:3010

And may I just add that even though we reduced our project by 13 units, we have not increased the membership cap.

4:26:40 – 4:27:035

But when we but if if as you say a moment ago, as you said that the that the residents are really the focus of the property Mhmm. Right, and not the club as as to use your term as the opposition says. When we decrease the number of lots, shouldn't we also have decreased the capacity of the club? I mean, you just told me that that should have been increased of outside club members.

4:27:03 – 4:27:3010

I didn't say it was increased. I said what what a normal what a regular developer would have done was increase their memberships to make up for the loss of the units. That's what a normal developer would have done. But not my my client. My client didn't do that. My client said, we're gonna we're gonna lose 13 units and we're gonna take that loss and we're still gonna produce a first rate, first class project.

4:27:305

How many employees will there be at the club?

4:27:3310

We we expect around 75.

4:27:385

And how many employees will there be at the barn?

4:27:4310

Let me double check. I think I know that answer, but I

4:27:4518

How many of those brushes?

4:27:5410

Two so five for the barn, two on-site, three off-site.

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What's the breakdown between on-site, off-site? Who are those people? I

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just want I want our expert to be able to testify.

4:28:100

Well yeah, want the right answer. So sometimes that's not you. Most of the time. Well, wasn't going to say all that.

4:28:15 – 4:28:312

So I guess most people have children in this room. So if you have a horse, it's like having a child, a baby. You can never leave them alone. You have to be there at five in the morning to feed them. You have to be there at ten at night to do night check.

4:28:32 – 4:29:052

Horses literally cannot be left alone. They get colic during the night, so there has to be people on-site sleeping in apartments. So then you have grooms that live outside somewhere else in Wellington and they turn up at six in the morning, do some of the chores, mucking out, getting the horses out, walking them, putting them in the paddocks. But there would always be two people present 20 fourseven, three sixty five.

4:29:058

So you're defining them all as grooms? Pardon? The five employees are grooms basically?

4:29:112

No, I would say I would say there'd be a trainer. One trainer and four grooms.

4:29:178

So who's doing the riding with the children? Who are these employees?

4:29:212

Usually the trainer.

4:29:238

So you have one trainer for the 10 Yes. Horses?

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Yes. And so That's fairly normal.

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You're only so when they make their appointments, it's just one appointment at a time.

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There'll probably be group lessons. Children prefer riding in groups.

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With one trainer?

4:29:42 – 4:30:092

Yes. Yes. That's very normal. It's actually a lot more fun. You know, kids have a lot more fun when they ride together. It's very boring as a child riding on your own. I know I went to pony club. So, when you when you go to pony club, you know, they're riding groups. You'd you'd have a group of five in one lesson. And the arena is easily large enough to accommodate children's riding lessons.

4:30:09 – 4:30:362

And group lessons really are the best. It's the best way for them to learn. And so I think the the staffing obviously you have a minimum of two people on-site. I haven't seen any plans for the apartments for the grooms, whether there'd be a two bedroom, whether you'd put two in one and maybe the trainer in the other one. I haven't seen those plans, but I'm sure you'd need five people for 10 horses for sure.

4:30:39 – 4:30:550

Thank you. Is there a what's the cost to the residents or is you probably don't know yet. Is there a cost to the residents to access the horses? And if so, in what way? Like, just to go visit them, to go ride them, to get lessons? What's the is there a fee or is it just part of living there?

4:31:00 – 4:31:1918

It's it's included as part of the being a member of the homeowners association. If there's extraordinary efforts, there could be charges for that. At this time, we haven't detailed out the the pricing structure, but the basic barn services would be included if you're a member of the homeowners association.

4:31:190

So riding lessons would be free to people who live

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There would be riding programs that would be included, but if you're if if someone's having an extraordinary number of riding lessons and going above and beyond the standard that's set within the CCNRs and the master declaration, then there could be the possibility of some additional charge. To cover the cost. Mister

4:31:435

Schiller, can we go back to the slide more of just the I don't need the part that includes IPC.

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Just the master plan?

4:31:525

Oops. Or just the

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Sorry. I went the wrong way. Horrible driver. That's it? This work

4:31:59 – 4:32:185

for you? Yeah. That's this is fine. So going back to the first time that you presented this to me, I've asked the question as to how, horse trucks and manure haulers and those kinds of things are going to navigate this this curve here at Lots 1 And 24.

4:32:18 – 4:32:385

And then have we made sure that there's an and then if we so that's my first question. And my second question is navigating around this roundabout at the other end seems potentially problematic and unsafe to me. Have we tell me what who has Absolutely. Dealt with that in regards to horse trailers and all of that? Who is who is your expert

4:32:3810

on that? Taylor, whose name I can't pronounce, last name I can't pronounce, from Hart Howerton. I don't know if Taylor is still on the phone?

4:32:4620

I am. Yes.

4:32:49 – 4:33:0110

That's dedication, folks. So, Taylor, why don't we why don't you talk about that specific those both those specific traffic issues and and what we've done to address that.

4:33:02 – 4:33:5220

So, we have made sure that all of the curb radii will meet the standards set by the development code as well as fire truck and trailer turning radii, and the standard for that is actually 30 feet. We have increased that radii where you're looking between lots one and twenty four to 60, and we can even extend beyond that with some stabilized surface as well, but I believe that that should be more than adequate to accommodate a trailer turning radius. And that would also apply to the, the roundabout in the cul de sac and in front of the resident barn. So we've been making sure that we're working within standards that that trailers can navigate.

4:33:5310

And and, Taylor, that would also hold true for fire trucks and rescue vehicles?

4:33:589

Correct. Yes.

4:34:0110

Taylor, may I just ask one more question? What about ecom wine waste management and those typical deliveries that would occur at a barn?

4:34:10 – 4:34:3120

We actually it's a little tough to see, but we have included as a stabilized surface to the west portion of the barn, an area where a truck could come in. The manure bin is actually located just to the southwest of that barn, and they could pull in, access the manure, and then be able to get back out as well.

4:34:3210

Thank you, Taylor.

4:34:37 – 4:34:550

Let me go back to EQ one point one point one again, number three. It allows permit limited commercial uses as defined in the LDRs which support the equestrian industry. How is the Country Club a limited commercial use that supports the equestrian industry?

4:34:55 – 4:35:1010

That's a great question. One point one point one three? Yes. Perfect. So, the Polo Club, supports the equestrian industry by, doing several things.

4:35:11 – 4:35:4510

Let's just talk about the overall development then I'll get to the club. The overall development, definitely supports the equestrian industry. The commercial uses in terms of lessons and equine waste management, concessions, parking, spectating, professional polo matches that definitely meets the code, the comprehensive plan section one point one point one three. I'll also remind you that these comprehensive plan policies are guidelines. They are not to be strictly construed as the law says.

4:35:46 – 4:36:2510

Relating to the supporting commercial equestrian industry at the Polo Club, we have several different ways to do that. First, the tack shop with local Wellington goods. People will be able to literally support the equestrian industry by purchasing equestrian goods at our tax shop on property. Second, dining, spectating, that supports the equestrian industry. The ability to enjoy yourself at polo creates more polo players, creates more polo fans, patrons even, that's how they start and that supports the equestrian industry.

4:36:26 – 4:37:0110

The polo fitness and spa services, that supports the equestrian industry by getting equestrians in shape. Because if you aren't in shape to be able to ride a horse, then that obviously doesn't support the equestrian industry. So those surface oh, there's one more. And the code permits obviously the all the services allowed at the Isle Caro Polo Club as far as restaurant and fitness etcetera. So, yes.

4:37:01 – 4:37:2710

I think all of them in one way or another do support the equestrian industry. But again, I'll remind you that the comprehensive plan is not an LDR. The comprehensive plan is a guideline. It It's to be construed broadly. And so, we believe that the project absolutely 100% is compatible with EQ one sub three. One one one sub three. Sorry.

4:37:29 – 4:38:117

And and mayor, if I if I may, the interpretation of that policy has been that the commercial use is defined, and the LDRs are strict commercial uses. While these may be commercial in nature, they wouldn't be commercial uses as defined. So these would be in commercial pods. These these tended to be considered the, you know, the tack shops, the hay and feed stores, those limited commercial uses in that capacity within the plan developments such as you had in Country Place and that you have in some of the commercial recreational question commercial recreational land uses.

4:38:16 – 4:38:340

Tell me how under six point eight point eight d three, the license agreement with the USPA complies with the requirement that the use of common equestrian elements is limited to owners and residents and guests of owners within the development?

4:38:36 – 4:38:4710

We previously addressed that with with counsel as far as a deed restriction goes. I don't quite remember what the answer was related to Me neither.

4:38:474

That's what I

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asked the guests

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of owners using the Polo Field. But what I can remember is

4:38:543

that we My understanding was that the developer was gonna be the owner

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Of the Polo Field. Mhmm. And so if the owner was inviting guests to use the Polo Field, that would comply with that provision.

4:39:08 – 4:39:260

So the owner would license the field to USPA. And then USPA can bring in whoever wants to use that property to be spectators. And that gets you that satisfies the language that says restricted to owners and residents or guests of owners.

4:39:2710

They're potentially guests of the owner. Yes.

4:39:30 – 4:39:453

The owner of the field is the developer who license it licenses it to USPA. And so their guess, I think arguably fall under that provision.

4:39:470

That feels like a stretch.

4:39:49 – 4:40:277

Well, the catch 22 in that it's a plan development allows for flexibility in some of the regulations. And so they meet the the minimum standard in limiting it in perpetuity to the owners and residents, but does not limit it to allowing on top of that. So the de restriction does provide for that limitation, but does allow for the council to approve a flexibility in that provision Where I think you wouldn't have the flexibility is not meeting that minimum standard in the in the deed restriction.

4:40:31 – 4:40:4310

And then I will have remind you, mister mayor, that, the additional equestrian amenity of 45,000 square feet is, directly limited to just residents.

4:40:440

Right. We've been I that I understand.

4:40:50 – 4:41:0712

Mister Schiller, at this point, have you had any conversation or the applicant with any of the commercial, for example, the tap store? You're not there yet, or has there been any conversation of how you're gonna

4:41:0910

just double checking.

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No. No. Fine. Thank you.

4:41:22 – 4:42:0818

So the team member who's been in communication with the tax store is not here present today, but they have reported discussions with the tax store. And the idea is that the Polo concierge pro shop within the amenity area could have a relationship with the local tax store whether it's the Polo tax store that's nearby and or the tech career or another within Wellington to be able to get those concierge services. So for example, if you were a rider and you needed to have your boots repaired, right? The concierge could take them in and then coordinate with the tech store and they could take care of it or if you needed a new piece of tech or a new bridal or or whatever, know, we would coordinate that. So that's that type of discussion has taken place.

4:42:0818

There's no agreement in place right now, but the the commitment is to use local service providers to provide those types of services.

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And I'm assuming that that conversation is probably in progress or will be in progress with other stores

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That's that's on your screen for the commercial site.

4:42:2415

Correct. 100%.

4:42:270

Without the country club, what's the draw to live in this community?

4:42:3110

Without the Polo Club? That's a great question.

4:42:340

Okay. Yeah.

4:42:35 – 4:43:1110

So let me tell you about the draws of of living in this community if the Polo Club didn't exist. All 27 homes have unique access to the equestrian lifestyle on a daily basis. Okay? Whether there's a Polo Club there or not, that three acre common equestrian amenity with 45,000 feet of improved space is always gonna be there. And so, if you're a beginner equestrian, if you're an intermediate equestrian, heck, you may not be an equestrian, but you're maybe interested, this is a community for you.

4:43:11 – 4:43:4010

Equestrian curious. Equestrian curious. Equestrian adjacent. But that that being said, there are so many different equestrian amenities outside of the Polo Club to really inspire people to be either to continue on in their equestrian journey or start one. And the bridal path. And well, we talked about all of y'all.

4:43:470

Anything from my left

4:43:48 – 4:44:085

Mister Chiller, is there what in regards to the club, what do the residents that live there get at the club that is different than these 300 other paying members? That's a good question.

4:44:11 – 4:44:2310

What do the residents get separately from the the club? Let me just double check. Sorry. Alright. I'm not double checking. Ed's gonna answer.

4:44:2318

Yeah. Could, commissioner, could you restate the question just for clarity?

4:44:27 – 4:44:485

I I wanna know what do the residents, these these 27 homeowners who are getting who are being forced to purchase memberships in the club, what do the what do they get that is different than the 300 outside people are going to get at the club?

4:44:48 – 4:45:0918

The residential members will be given a membership to the MPC, which we've worked arrangement with the USPA about that. So they'll they'll each get a membership to the MPC, which will not necessarily be given to outside members. Number one, they have access to the barn and the barn facilities.

4:45:095

And I don't wanna talk about the barn. I wanna only talk about the

4:45:12 – 4:45:3218

Yeah. And in addition, residential membership would have would be a special classification that would be uniquely defined within the club documents and the resident it would it would include certain priorities wherein they have a hierarchy for use of the facilities over the outside members.

4:45:3210

We have resident only events.

4:45:429

What if they already have a membership to NPC?

4:45:4818

Yeah. That's a good question. In that eventuality, we probably would offer a credit.

4:45:545

What are the hours of the club, mister DeVita? The anticipated hours of the club.

4:46:0410

One second, miss. Miss Amarillo.

4:46:1618

But the the hours would be consistent with market conditions and and requirements. Though they haven't been precisely defined but they will be.

4:46:275

When are and and tell me the the schedule for use of the Polar Field.

4:46:3218

So we have Bob to describe that.

4:46:3410

Yeah. Bob? Bob McMurchie from USPA, can answer that question in terms of use.

4:46:400

I have a question from him too when he's done with that one.

4:46:45 – 4:47:005

What was the question? Yeah. I wanna know that if the USPA is doing the programming on the Polo Field, how often is that Polo Field gonna be used in a given week?

4:47:01 – 4:48:021

So during the polo season, which runs from the December to the May, the polo Field at Isla Carroll will be put into the regular rotation of NPC polo fields and used just like every other field. That means it could be used on any day of the week other than Sunday probably because we play on Field 1 on Sundays, but we have at our discretion to schedule that field as needed. The intent is to try to have a game there on Fridays and have consistency for the general public and the members of Isla Carroll to know that there's gonna be polo there, but we have at our discretion to schedule games there other days of the week. In the agreement, it is anticipated that we would not use the field more than 1.5 times per week on average over the course of the season, which is consistent with how we use our other fields. That may mean that some weeks we use it three times in a week and other weeks, we use it once or not at all.

4:48:02 – 4:48:215

Right. And then and then the rest of the time. Right? So, 1.5 times a week. And then and that's from, as you said, the December to the May. And how often is the field gonna be used the rest of the year? The field For seven months or eight months?

4:48:21 – 4:48:491

Yeah. The field would be used through by mutual agreement in the off season for other events, could be equestrian events, could be a charity event, could be But rarely. But rarely. But but they they have the right to use it for pickup sports games for the residents, the children or the adults of the residents of Isla Carroll. So they there are no organized league play allowed there.

4:48:49 – 4:49:171

They can't run lacrosse or soccer leagues on that field in the off season. But they could schedule activities through the club for the members, the residents, and their families to use that field for pickup sports games or charity events or other things with our agreement and subject to maintenance requirements that we have in place in case they they organize something that might damage the field and need repair.

4:49:185

And mister DeVita, we anticipate we anticipate that the club's gonna be open seven days a week, fifty two weeks a year.

4:49:25 – 4:49:3618

Well, the the the first, with certainty, I can say that the hours of operation would conform to the village of Wellington's code. There'd be some variability along with it, but it would conform

4:49:365

to that that's a that's an end time really code. I just wanna know that it is expected that the private club is going to be operated seven days a week, fifty two weeks a year.

4:49:5218

That's this means

4:49:5310

So every day. The club's gonna be open every day.

4:49:5518

We're gonna open for That would be the general, hours. Yes. Yep. Okay. Yep. It could

4:50:0510

be Can I just say yes?

4:50:0618

Yeah. Go

4:50:0610

ahead. Yes. It'll be open twenty four seven three sixty five.

4:50:110

Bob? Bob, don't leave. I gotta

4:50:135

Before I come back, I'll let.

4:50:180

When was the last time USPA made consistent use of the Alac Herald Field?

4:50:22 – 4:50:411

I believe it was 2024. So it was not last year. It was the year before we played the finals on it. From the time mister McCourt acquired the property until the end of the 2024 season, we leased the fields from mister McCourt or the entity that owned it to use that and had them in our regular rotation.

4:50:420

And how often were they being used when you had them in your rotation?

4:50:451

I don't know exactly, but roughly the same rate. So one to one and a half times a week during the season.

4:50:52 – 4:51:060

All of the activities that are being proposed to be run on the Isla Carroll Field, the the children's ride, the stick and balls up, why can't or why isn't any of that already being done at MPC It is. On the field? It is?

4:51:061

It is. Okay.

4:51:070

So why do need the Isla Carroll Field to supplement that?

4:51:10 – 4:51:351

Because we feel with the growth of Polo in South Florida and particularly in the Wellington and surrounding areas that we need to add fields. We're contemplating whether we should build another field on our property. We think that taking advantage of the historic Isla Carroll Field at a dollar a year for perpetuity is an economically wise use of our resources and adds to the Polo EcoStruxure.

4:51:370

Thank you.

4:51:411

It's a good business decision.

4:51:530

It's very quiet on the side.

4:51:55 – 4:52:175

Mister Mitchell, wanna I wanna let whether it's you or mister McQuarter, mister Devita, I wanna I wanna give you a chance to reply to the contention in the room that this is really just about having a country club and all the rest of this has been scattered into it just to justify having the country club. Tell me why or tell these folks why that isn't true.

4:52:2210

We're gonna figure out who our spokesperson is. Give me

4:52:240

one second. Sure. Take a vote.

4:52:5522

Could you repeat the question?

4:52:5623

I think we're confused about what the question is actually.

4:52:58 – 4:53:345

Yeah. I'm gonna repeat it again. I don't I don't didn't think it was confusing, but let's cover it again. Here here's here's the question. The contention in the room is that this is all about the country club and that the equestrian pieces have just been sort of sprinkled in. That's why there's been a change from first reading to this reading and and and that and that is how that we're we're sort of the the contention is that that the country club is all that this is about and and all the equestrian things are just being shoehorned around that. I want you to tell me that how that isn't true. I want you to tell everyone here how that's not true Well, it's from your perspective.

4:53:34 – 4:53:5423

Yeah. From from from my perspective, I think we've been through this now for maybe three hours in terms of why it isn't true. Right? This development is much more than a country club. And it's it is something that is deeply embedded in the the equestrian lifestyle and and the equestrian sport in Wellington.

4:53:54 – 4:54:3623

It provides amenities that other developments quite frankly don't come near providing. It's it's doing something that I think is extremely generous with USPA with the field, essentially giving them in Wellington a field. And by the way, they can preserve their other real estate for future expansion, which I hope and we hope they they have a need for over time. And and fundamentally, it's an allowed it's an allowed use. And the economics of the club help the overall development to be able to support all these other amenities that we're that we're building.

4:54:36 – 4:55:0423

And and most importantly, councilmember, this is a passion project of mine. This is something that I know we can deliver a great, great project for Wellington, and something that I'm not going to let fail. I'm not going to let anything happen here that isn't in the very best interest. I think I said to you at one point in time, my wife's an equestrian, my oldest daughter's an equestrian. Believe me, have a lot of pressure to deliver

4:55:045

I know how that goes.

4:55:05 – 4:55:1723

To deliver here. So it's there's there's a lot behind this. And as I said in my opening remarks, we we do projects all over, and and this has gotten my personal attention because I care deeply about it.

4:55:175

But but if for let's for example, for instance, if the club was limited to just the residents, would you wanna build this project?

4:55:27 – 4:55:5123

It wouldn't be affordable. You need a number of members to actually maintain a top level club with the standards that we in Discovery operate at. These we are experts at what we do. Discovery is an expert at what they do. I'm talking about world class experts.

4:55:515

Yes, but at running clubs, not at running equestrian properties, right? Isn't that true?

4:55:55 – 4:56:4123

Well I've run equestrian properties, Discovery runs equestrian properties at the highest standard in the world, not just in Wellington. And so we're deeply committed to this. There's a practicality to this, to in order to be able to give a puller field to Wellington and USPA, and create all these amenities and so forth, and to build less than we're entitled to build on the property, there's an economic reality to the overall project. And we don't want to build a club and have it not be successful, obviously. We're talking about first class experiences, and first and discovery as somebody said earlier, has 40 plus or minus clubs, and has never failed.

4:56:41 – 4:57:1923

And they're the best in the world, and this is a huge addition to this community, and the people that will bring bring will will rave about this community, and and it's just a plus plus plus. I wanna repeat, I really really understand the comments that have been made here about people concerned with the equestrian just the equestrian conditions in Wellington. There is a lot of development pressure here, and there's and there's been some developments that have been approved that have created a fair amount of controversy. Maybe the code should be revisited. That's up to you all.

4:57:20 – 4:57:3723

That's not up to that's not up to me. We're dealing within if you recall when I came here from my trip and at the very first hearing in my opening remarks is we're playing by the rules, and our only ask of you all is to play by the same rules. They're your rules, they're

4:57:3716

not mine.

4:57:37 – 4:58:045

That's not that's not my I understand. That's not my question. I I We've covered all that. But what what what I'm try And what is the I'm worried about the That if this club comes into the equestrian preserve, that it's too intense. A thousand people being there feels too intense. The parking there's lots of issues that that I'm having trouble struggling with the fact that the club is not really the only dominating feature of this whole thing.

4:58:0423

No. The the the it's not that they'll

4:58:065

be out. So what I wanna know, it just is a simple question, is what is the is three twenty five the lowest number of members that can sustain this club?

4:58:1423

It's a it's it's appropriate number for the club. It's the it's the right number to have a sustainable club.

4:58:205

So that is the So the answer to my question of is this the lowest number is yes.

4:58:23 – 4:58:5123

Yes. But Okay. But we're not having, you know, a thousand people all over the place. That's not how the club is managed. It's a reservation. You need to make an appointment. You just can't, you know, the club is sized, the parking is sized, the traffic is sized in a very professional way to to in an appropriate way, not in an over scaled way.

4:58:515

If the member wants to come and get a drink at a bar, at the bar they have to make a reservation?

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It it maybe during holidays, a certain period of time. Absolutely.

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Wanna mister Schiller, I wanna talk about the secondary point that has also been discussed about that this is an an initial phase and that there will be some later phases including Crab Orchard and maybe the Jacobs property and other adjoining or surrounding properties. What prevents that?

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Well, I think

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Or is it prevented? Maybe it isn't prevented at all.

4:59:32 – 4:59:5810

Well, I I can't speak for other property owners, obviously, nor do I know what their plans are. But what I do know is that this board last month passed a zoning in progress on 06/2008. You've taken the first step to to do that. And so what I would say to you is that a, our project is meets all the code requirements. Your staff has confirmed that.

4:59:58 – 5:00:3510

Your staff can confirm that the the Polo Club is a legitimate existing use in the EOZD and sub area d as we proposed. But I think from my perspective and and mister McCourt's perspective, there are development pressures facing this council in this area, but you've already taken the first step with the ZIP, zoning in progress. It's up to you what to do with that after it expires. Are you gonna change the code or are you not? Clearly, the public doesn't have a problem with as of right plan or permitted density.

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We all everybody recognizes we have property rights, vested property rights here. We know that based on what on what the the plan is, the as of right plan that we can do by just filing an application versus what we're proposing, this is vastly superior. This is vastly superior in promoting the equestrian lifestyle. Vastly. We're saving a polo field.

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We're adding three acres of internal equestrian community or internal equestrian amenity. We're creating a bridal trail that's a mile and a quarter. We meet the criteria for approval under your code, under the comp plan. And with all due respect to the council, this application is focused on this property. This property only.

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I agree with you.

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I have a question for staff. Obviously, on first reading, you said this met our codes and all the requirements. And now it's come back for second reading. It's got a lot of changes, and I know you're still recommending approval. But was there anything that gave you concern, any of the changes on this second reading that were alarming or gave cause for concern?

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No. Okay.

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Mister Sillings, counsel for the applicant I wanna go back to this point from before. Counsel for the applicant stated that it would be inconsistent and arbitrary to deny this application when other PUD's have been approved. What distinguishes this application from those others? Essentially, why is this a stand alone application?

5:02:31 – 5:03:207

Well, with the exception of winding trails, which actually is in Landings, PUD. This would be the first new PUD that's not along State Road 7. It's not an MUPD. All the other referenced projects are within existing PUD's that had existing entitlements that were approved by Palm Beach County many decades ago, including Equestrian Club Estates that was originally approved by Palm Beach County, but later affected by Wellington. And so those the, you know, the conditions at the time those projects or those PUD's were approved were markedly different than what we have today.

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I don't know if that answered your

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question or not. It does. And then mister Slims, when we talk about one of the things we talked about during the WLP votes and things, and you just walked us through this that they had existing units and those kinds of things. How many existing units are on this property prior to this application?

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What yeah. Based on the one unit per two acres, it would be forty forty lots. Up to 40. Up 40.

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Any other questions for the applicant or staff?

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Just a reminder that the applicant does get a closing.

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Yep. Ten minutes. Got it. Once again, you don't have to use all your time.

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I don't have any other questions.

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You guys have any questions? Any questions out here? No. Mister Schiller or whoever wants to wrap up, you have your closing. You have ten minutes.

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Thank you so much, mister mayor. Wow. This has been a marathon, not just tonight, but for the last two plus years, and we've been in this process. I wanna highlight, and I'm I'm I will endeavor not to take all ten minutes, mister mayor. I just wanna highlight several things. First, and most importantly, This is where we started almost two years ago. We withdrew that plan because the community said this wasn't making it. This wasn't cutting it. So we came back with this plan. We went through EPC.

5:06:33 – 5:07:0210

We went through P and Z. We went through first reading of you of the village council. You made a number of comments and gave us a lot of feedback and things to think about and we came back with this plan. Deleting 33% of our our units, increasing our average lots buys and increasing our open space. The as of right plan does nothing other than we're allowed to build it today.

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The as of right plan does not guarantee equestrian use. The as of right plan does not guarantee a public benefit or a public access. And 1.5 acres, I want to point something out. Ladies and gentlemen, we are proposing two four two acre farm lots. In stark contrast to the as of right plan, because we're in a PUD and the infrastructure is shared, we don't have to back out a half an acre plus for infrastructure.

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Giving these four lots a little bit more land to have the equestrian use if those owners so choose. And most important benefit of this project here is the fact that we have guaranteed equestrian amenity. And not just guaranteed because we say, guaranteed because there's gonna be a deed restriction, Guaranteed because I'm sure there are gonna be conditions of approval that come from this board. And guaranteed because the principles have stood up here and said, they will guarantee it. And Discovery Land Company and Frank McCourt, when a word comes from them, their word is their bond.

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And you can hold them to that. There was a lot of consternation and comment about chipping away from the equestrian preserve area. That this project of 79 acres and 27 units is going to chip away at the equestrian preserve. Ladies and gentlemen, this project meets all the criteria of your code. We're not proposing a new law.

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We're not proposing a waiver of variance, special exception, conditional use, all of those things. We're not. This is already in your code. So, again, if the opposition, if the other side thinks that we're chipping away, the ability to rezone is in your code. The master plan six point eight point eight in your code. We're not doing anything extra ordinary here. We're certainly not doing any comprehensive plan amendments. We're certainly not taking land out of the equestrian preserve area. There was a lot of conversation about the Polo Club. Is that use allowable?

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Is it not? Your staff told you. It is. Your staff told you. It conforms to law. It's compatible with law. It's consistent with law. Unequivocally told you. Not only did your staff tell you, but we submitted expert reports that also told you that this project meets and conforms to your comprehensive plan and your code. And let's just say this, I think this is important.

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70%, at least 70% open space? That's unheard of. Unheard of for a new development. And that furthers the equestrian lifestyle in and of itself. Ladies and gentlemen, we meet and exceed your code.

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We meet and exceed we meet and exceed your comprehensive plan and all the criteria set forth therein. If you want to change the code, that option's available to you as part of the zoning in progress. And I always want to end on this. Zoning regulations are in the derogation of private property rights of ownership and should be interpreted in favor of the property owner. We're not asking for extraordinary relief.

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We're asking for your approval of applications that are allowed by your code. Your staff has told you that we are consistent and compatible with your code and your comp plan as our experts. Getting a little duplicative here. Thank you so much for your attention. I know this isn't easy.

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Your staff has put us through the ringer more times than once as has your village attorney and frankly the five of you. A, trying to get a meeting with you is very difficult in of itself, but other than that you've been extremely welcoming and forthright and we appreciate that. This is a good project. This is not one of those projects that you need to deny tonight. This is a very good project and the village of Wellington will be better for this project being approved. Thank you. Thank you.

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We were talking about conditions of approval. Like mister Stillings, you said you had written some things down, like one of them was abiding by the building code and not So aggging do we wanna go through those? Or what are we do

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what order are

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we doing this?

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Counsel's pleasure. Whatever you guys want to do. If you wanna discuss what your thoughts are, you wanna discuss conditions or approval

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Hear what Whatever.

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You're up. You Well,

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I wanna hear what

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miss Sillings was having in mind for

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Oh, well, sure.

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If you have a list, let's hear your list.

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Yeah. Alright. On my list was the cleanup of the updated legal description. We had that. Building permits for all development on the property. So basically recusing themselves of six zero four fifty even for some of the question facilities. The the barn and equestrian amenity element having an operational requirement, and I'll let council define what what the terms of that are. Connection to the gray trail, I think, was was one that was thrown out as a commitment, and then the membership max at three twenty five.

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That was an annual I also recall

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An annual and annual updates on the

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Management funds.

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The the the

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What was that?

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I I also recall limiting the number of memberships to 325.

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Just the one I said that.

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Yeah. As well as an agreement that it would take five, an affirmative vote of five members of council to amend the restrictive covenant. I think what mister Stillings was talking about was a condition that there be a management agreement between the developer and the HOA with respect to the exactly. And those are some of the things that I had on my list.

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Do you have a list of

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In addition to what,

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mister Menon? Are the items such as the roundabouts and all that, are those already in the conditions?

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Yes, sir. Well, we need to revise the the roundabout condition to include the 500,000. Thank you very much. We shall also need to add the commitment to the Keeley Spinelli as a condition and the

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So funny.

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The roundabout at the entrance. $6.09.

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Right. And and the funding of just modifying the condition that's already in here on the roundabout that it's not a proportionate share, but a commitment of 500,000.

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Anything else?

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I just want to have on the record, are all of those conditions if they were, if they were imposed, are those voluntary?

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They're voluntary and we agree.

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Thank you.

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In addition to condition three, just to clarify that the pullow field paddocks and the barn are not included in the 50%.

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Wait. I'd where were I don't know. Where were you?

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Condition three.

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Hang on. Page four ten.

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Thank you. That speeds things

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More of just moving up, comma.

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Yeah. I agree with that, Yawn.

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Any more conditions?

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Oh, that's where the 50% came from. Okay.

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Can you tell me what this condition mean? Did we walk back through the language that the change you want us to make there?

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So essentially, the equestrian facilities need to be built prior to the first CO. Right. With the other club facilities, they have to have at least 50% of it complete, and open to the resident before they reach 50% of their residential CEOs. So it's just it there are two distinct amenities and and just the club is not as doesn't need to be built as early as the equestrian amenities.

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So we've now changed it so the equestrian amenities are first?

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That's our always been a requirement. This is just a standard condition we have for residential PUDs related to their residential amenities. In this case, the club amenities in that they have to have a certain percentage of the club available to the residents before a certain percentage of the residential CEOs are completed. So I think this kinda goes back to that question you had asked earlier in the evening about when they could benefit from the memberships. Right.

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It kinda lays out that that the you may have some of the early adopters, not having access, but definitely before half of the residential project is built, half of the club amenity would need to be completed. And it sounds like based on the layout, it's all all it would be built as one package, not in pieces.

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Well, my concern here is almost the opposite. Right? I would want 50% of the homes to be built before the club was built. I mean, that's the that's the the challenge here.

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The I think what it's what it's clarifying is that the equestrian facilities, the barn, the paddocks, the things that are just for the residents, 100% have to be built before the first CO. But then the clubhouse and club facilities would need to be at the 50% mark of the homes.

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And that's a code requirement? That's, yes. Okay.

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So is 50% going to sustain the club until a 100% is built?

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I I don't know that that's a we're we're looking more just timing of what needs to be in place. It's not necessarily a feasibility consideration or a viability consideration, which is why I I think I don't I don't think the applicant intends to build the club facility in phases. It'll all be done at once. It's just ensuring that, a minimum is is complete and open before a minimum of the residences are complete by by the time of 50% of the residences reach c o.

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I will tell you, I've gone back and forth on this. To me, this is a struggle despite all telling me this is an easy vote. It's not an easy vote. And, you know, your your litigation counsel admonished me that I have to apply our code consistently, and I agree that I have to comply our code consistently, and there's no automatic right to a z rezoning. But I am still struggling with the position that you've met six point eight point eight because for some of the same reasons I said last time, I'll say them again this time.

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To me, the competent substantial evidence that I got from the applicant side leads me to the conclusion that internal focus of this development is the country club or the polo club. It's not the newly added Thamesthal barn. And I can't get myself past that despite everything we've heard tonight, I'm still stuck on that issue that the internal focus is supposed to be equestrian. And to me, the internal focus is the country club, because I don't think this community works without the country club. And, you know, I don't think the evidence supports a determination despite staff's thoughts that they've met six point eight point eight.

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That's where my head is at. I think I mean, I agree. It looks beautiful. It would be beautiful. It would be a wonderful club, but there's rules that apply in on this footprint, and I don't know that you've met the burden.

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But I'm happy to have someone convince me otherwise.

5:21:02 – 5:21:239

I feel like they have. I haven't changed my mind since first reading. Think it's an even better project, and I'm not voting because I like it or because it's beautiful, but it is. But I believe that it complies with the regulations that it needs to meet, and our staff has vetted that. And and I would vote yes on this tonight.

5:21:260

Anyone else have any thoughts? Eventually, we got our thoughts because we got a vote. We got nine minutes left before we have to make more time because we have

5:21:353

more stuff on agenda.

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I would say that based on the evidence that I've heard tonight, I still believe that the internal focus is the club and my mind has not changed from my last vote.

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I'm struggling hard. I'm trying to be fair for both sides, but I don't feel that this is in the best interest of the public. And therefore, I'm a no, as I was before.

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In light of that, I'm not sure that it that it that it matters whether I'm a yes or a no, but but I but I think that, again, I think the person who who who said it best was one of the speakers at this podium when he said that this is closer, but we haven't got there yet. For me, I would have sent this back to committee potentially to let EPC work through the functions of the 10 stall bar and are those things big enough and do they really work and let really delve into the hours and that kind of thing. Because I do think that improvements have been made. I do think that the roundabout at the entrance, the contribution of the roundabout at Lake Worth, I think a lot of those things are very good. But I still think there are issues with the fact that when we look at, there's gonna be two to five employees at the barn and 75 employees at the club, a ratio of one fifteenth.

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The impact that there's gonna be three acres at the barn and 80 acres at the club, that the club is gonna be open three hundred and sixty five days a year, and we're gonna play polo maybe forty days a year. It's it's it's it's so there's

5:23:395

certainly struggle on on on both sides here. So I I personally would have sent it back to committee. But

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So someone wanna make a motion? Did you wanna make motion?

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Well, it doesn't sound I mean, I'll I'll move to approve our 2025 dash 67. With the condition of approval that we Right.

5:24:087

We we The list. You need to actually take action on the rezoning first.

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Right. Oh. Because if the rezoning fails, you don't get to the master plan. If the rezoning passes, then you get to the master plan.

5:24:189

Backwards in my book.

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Is the applicant interested in going

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Unfortunately, I was ordered with the master plan first.

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Is the Oh, it's okay. Is the applicant interested in going back through the EPC and PZAB?

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I'm so sorry, Madam Attorney. I didn't hear the question.

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Mr. McGovern has indicated that he would have wanted to see this go back through EPC and PZAB. Is that something that the applicant is interested in pursuing? Okay.

5:25:01 – 5:25:3210

Madam or mister McGovern, mister mayor, we let me say it the right way. We would not prefer to go back through the committee system. However, based on again on your feedback tonight, we wouldn't mind coming back to this board at a time certain to try to bring this home. We can come back in two weeks.

5:25:35 – 5:26:145

I don't think I don't I think that in light of the the the concerns the concerns about the barn, the operation of the barn. I don't know what coming back here in two weeks does. I think that going to get the expertise and the input of those boards that we have for that reason would be some of one of the speakers said, shouldn't shouldn't we go back to since there's been a very substantial change, shouldn't we go back to there and and work through some of this? Are the turning radius is large enough? Can we fit horse trucks?

5:26:14 – 5:26:475

Does it really do the hours and the usages really work and comply? I think that I don't know that that that coming back here in two weeks to have the same discussion we just had, it would would be would be fruitful, potentially to my colleagues. I mean, they can speak for themselves. To me, feels like if you went back to the committee process, that those folks who really have knowledge in layouts of of barns, of and is the are the paddocks too tiny and that kind of thing. Those folks, that knowledge comes from our committee process in Wellington, and that's how it's always worked.

5:26:50 – 5:27:370

The reason why that doesn't that make a lot of sense to me because my struggle is not so much whether the functionality of the three acre equestrian amenity in the corner with the 10 stalls and paddocks of the right size of the right configuration. It's still getting over the hurdle of six point eight point eight having having the internal focus be equestrian. And to me, it's gonna even if you fix all that stuff and you make the paddock slightly bigger or you do something and tweak those other areas, you're gonna come back and the internal focus is still going to be the country club, which is called the Polo Club. So I think we're still I'm still going to be stuck on that no matter what EPC does to work on the equestrian element of it. It's still going to come back with that might be improved, but it still won't be the internal focus of the development.

5:27:38 – 5:27:550

So I'm not sure that fixes my concern. And I'm not sure I want to send that back to them and make them go through all that again, to only come back and we'll still be at the same spot. But I'm open to whatever other people have ideas. So we're okay.

5:27:5910

Mister May, may I just point something out? Sure.

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Happy to listen. Sorry for

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a point of order. I just wanna make this point. I don't know that it was clear, but the Polo Club really drives the whole equestrian lifestyle. And so we do have a variety of equestrian amenities, but without the Polo Club, we don't have anything. And, you know, I think the equestrian amenities flow from that. They're all integrated with each other. This is a unique, one of a kind, immersive experience. To separate the things out, I think is doing it the whole project at Injustice.

5:28:36 – 5:29:080

And I know and I read all I got even though I got them late, I read all the expert reports. I got all the submissions you sent to me, which I think I got today or maybe late yesterday. I read no. I think today from with Seth's letter. I got all that stuff, and I read all that stuff. And I'm still fixed on this one issue. And I you know, I like I said, I appreciate all the effort you guys put into it and all the time you put into it. And you listened to us at the last meeting, and you made changes. And, you know, I understand the time and money that went into this, but I'm still, you know, I have to apply the code the way it works. That's where I'm at.

5:29:140

No. No. There's no more. We're just no. Yeah.

5:29:175

Is missus Siskin making a motion?

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Well, mean, it's why would I bother?

5:29:210

Well, you still have to make. I can Otherwise, we just sit here all night.

5:29:243

Move to approve. Okay. Move to approve with conditions or move to Well, are we on the rezone? Yes.

5:29:300

Rezoning has to go first.

5:29:319

Right. Move to okay. Move to approve ordinance number 2025Dash29.

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Is there a second? I'll second for the purposes of taking a vote.

5:29:400

All in favor?

5:29:420

All opposed?

5:29:430

Aye. Fails three to two.

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Okay. Who's the two?

5:29:485

I voted no.

5:29:490

I thought

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you voted yes. No. Would send it

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to committee Oh, you seconded Oh, okay.

5:29:525

I seconded so we could take a vote.

5:29:540

Oh, okay. So then it fails four to one.

5:29:568

Alright. Well, I'll move to deny ordinance number two zero two five two nine.

5:30:035

And we just did two the rezoning. That was Oh, I'm sorry. 025

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You don't need to reach the other one.

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We don't

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need to reach the master amendment.

5:30:123

Okay. I need to clarify something. Is that denial with or without? Was that motion to deny with or without prejudice?

5:30:190

Well, it wasn't a motion to deny. It was a motion to approve that was that failed.

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So that would mean we don't have a motion with prejudice or without. Okay.

5:30:2819

There wasn't a motion.

5:30:295

And therefore, isn't the default without?

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Yes. The default is without.

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Correct. Right. Okay. Mayor.

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I know. We need another motion because it's past. It's twelve.

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And now I'll move to extend thirty minutes.

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Okay. Second.

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And I'm gonna request a five minute question break.

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And then I'm moving to extend thirty five minutes.

5:30:480

Fair enough. Okay. We're adjourned for five minutes. I

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mean You you don't wanna stick.

5:36:490

Yeah. Where are we?

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That brings us to next item, which is ordinance number twenty twenty six dash zero eight, Lake Worth Road Annexation. Mister Stillings is here to briefly present the item, or I can certainly jump in based on our presentation yesterday during agenda review.

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Do you need to read the title?

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As soon as miss Hall gets back to her seat.

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Ordinance number 2026Dash08, an ordinance of Wellington Florida's council approving the uniform method annexation of a portion of Lake Worth Road, totaling 5.5 plus or minus acres located approximately 0.6 miles west of State Road 7 in Palm Beach County as more specifically described herein. Amending section 12 of the village charter by redefining the corporate limits of the village of Wellington, directing the village manager to do all things necessary to effectuate this annexation, directing the village clerk to file a copy of this ordinance with the clerk of the circuit court in Palm Beach County, the chief administrative officer of Palm Beach County, and the Florida Department of State within thirty days after adoption accordance with section one seventy one, Florida statutes providing a conflicts clause, providing a severability clause, and providing an effective date.

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Mister Delaney?

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Go ahead. Who's who's you or mister

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This item is as we mentioned yesterday during agenda review is a portion of Lake Worth Road that is from our current previous municipal boundary at the canal and just now runs to the limits of Panther Run Elementary School. In 2023, we annexed Panther Run Elementary School. We've always considered it one of our Wellington schools, and it's now as of 2023 in the village limits. And during that annexation, we did not annex the portion of Lake Worth Road immediately in front of Panther Run Elementary School. And as such, we're somewhat limited in how we can enforce roadway rules and traffic rules and safety laws there.

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And as a result, we've met with Palm Beach County and also consulted with miss Cohen. And the way to do that would be to have that within our limits as well. And this is what that annexation complies and and it achieves. And to do that, Palm Beach County would consent to the uniform method of annexation that we're pursuing, and we would take then responsibility for that section of roadway. What we're in the process of doing now is our staff has performed a review of the roadway conditions and we're also obtaining geotechnical engineering recommendation and we'll work out with Palm Beach County as to what's necessary as far as there's any mediation required for the actual roadway surface. Otherwise, we will take responsibility for then maintenance of that roadway from that point forward.

5:39:440

So a long way of saying we had access school, now we're gonna access the road in front of That's correct.

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And when come back for a second reading, we'll have an interlocal agreement regarding the roadway.

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This time the county is happy to let us add something to be.

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Well, we we were trying to bring it back as early as possible. I'm still coordinating with the county on what their schedule is on when we can get this ILA through their system to bring it back to you for your consideration.

5:40:130

Do we need that before we vote on the second reading? Is that required?

5:40:167

The counties wants the ILA before they will give us their consent to the annexation.

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Okay. And the consent's required as part of second reading Okay. At the latest.

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Alright. This is a public hearing. Is there a motion to open public hearing? So

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moved. Second.

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All in favor? Aye. Public hearing is now open. Do have cards on this item?

5:40:319

Not on this item.

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Anyone here want to speak on this item? Seeing nobody.

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Move to close. Second.

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All in favor? Aye. Public hearing is now closed. Is there comments or motions on this item?

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Move to approve ordinance number 2020 Six-eight Lake Worth Road annexation.

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Is there a second? Did you second?

5:40:539

No. Second.

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No. Second. Thank you. All in favor? Aye. Opposed? Hearing none. Passes five-zero. Thank you. Good job.

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Anything left of importance?

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Yes, that brings us to the regular agenda item, which is consideration of Village Manager's Employment Agreement. My copy of that.

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Good evening, everyone. On this item, you have a couple of items that were provided to you, both the contract that mister Barnes and I have worked through. And you also have a memorandum that provides the salaries of, the managers at in the 10 largest, municipalities. And, what we're doing here is this extends mister Barnes' contract until the ending date, mister Barnes. Where is that?

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12/31/2030.

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Right. So that essentially extends mister Barnes' contract four years from when his contract would from when his current contract would have ended. We have adjusted only slightly. Mister Barnes in this contract is receiving a $5,000 raise. There are some limited changes in regards to benefits that go to mister Barnes in regards to sick leave and how retirement benefits are paid.

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There is some cleanup language in regards to to, the terms in regards to termination for cause. At some point, there had been a a negligence standard that was turned to a malfeasance standard, which is more appropriate in regards to a for cause firing. And then there's a change to, the amount of time that mister Barnes has to give to the village if he wanted to, to resign.

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don't have my red line copy anymore because I misplaced it with all my papers. So what Oh, look at that. Thank you. That'll help. Although my notes are on that one, so this one won't help as much.

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Yeah. So we skipped over the part where we changed the voting from three members to four What is the reasoning for that?

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So with the change that is, by the way, customary in some other municipalities as well. The thinking there

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is Just tell how many votes is it for you? It's three for me. Okay. I don't understand why we're changing this to four.

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The four so we have changed what you're really talking about there is for firings without cause. Right. And and those and those are what would require four votes. Isn't that right?

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We changed this to four or was it always four votes?

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It was always three. The change that's being suggested is that it it takes a super majority to fire the manager without cause. And when I initially saw that I wasn't on board with that, but I've watched other municipalities around us try to fire managers on a whim and how that creates upheaval and chaos in their communities when new people come in and say, we're gonna fire the manager, and they haven't even served yet. They have no idea if the person's doing a good job or not. Or you have personality conflicts that someone wants to get rid of someone, they get two people to agree with them. Think Again I think for cause we can we can find cause if there's a cause to get rid of the manager, we will have cause. But I think just to fire him on a whim, it should take four votes. So I I came around on that position. I think This

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is something that I've that that has been entertained periodically. Remember, I I am the person that has negotiated mister Barnes' contract now that now three times. And this is this is a this is a change. This is not something that I would have put in the first contract. Certainly, the first contract was very short and very much in favor of the village. The second contract was sort of intermediate. And I would say that now that this is a contract while there are very few things that that mister Barnes gets here, and he still falls roughly in the middle of the other municipalities.

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Mr. McGovern, if if the intent is only to apply that super majority to a for cause termination No. I

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Non cause, without cause.

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I mean, I'm sorry, without cause, then in paragraph section 12 C, you may want to clarify that that is just a simple majority.

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Where's 12 C?

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I'm sorry, 12.

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It's b, isn't it?

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It's b three.

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B three. Hang on.

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Yeah. And I think that line b it's b one, isn't it?

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No. It says village may terminate village manager with cause at any time during the term of the agreement or any extension thereof of the term authorized by written

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amendment. But b one is also village may terminate village manager with causes provided herein in b one.

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Right. And that that's the one that requires

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Majority. Right. So I would

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just say, I would have B one read, and I should have caught this. Village may terminate village manager by majority vote with cause as provided herein.

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That's fine. Thank you. Okay.

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And then here you have that we we cannot consider, vote upon, or take action to terminate the employee the employment of the village manager without cause during the period of a hundred and twenty days prior to an election and a hundred and twenty days after an election, which

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is I think that's too long.

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Eight it's Well, it's always been it's always

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months been out of twelve months that we have in a year that we cannot even consider it. Not that I want to consider you. Don't don't get it wrong. I just I think these two things are, like, almost making him untouchable, and I don't think any employee should ever be untouchable at this level. So I don't know if I want both of these changed or one of these changed. I may not win on that, but I I think that the two of these things make it

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a little

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a it's a little much.

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There was there was a limited change there. I made the those both to be equal. They weren't equal before. I made both of those to be equal because the fact of the matter is is that, again, as the mayor just said a moment ago, my thinking was that the manager should not be a political issue in an election. Furthermore, we've also extended the amount of time that mister Barnes has to give to us if he wants to resign.

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We've shortened it, actually. If you look at term section one d, it says at least sixty days prior to expiration. He's got to give us notice if he's going to stick around. So that should stay that means that means within sixty days at the end of his term, could say I'm not coming back. That gives us sixty days to find a replacement on page one. I think that should stay at one hundred twenty or at least ninety. Should be something longer than sixty Page one, section one, paragraph D, we've shortened that to sixty days notice of his intent to not of whether he intends to come back or not. Think I that should be a little bit longer because if

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you That seems inconsistent also with

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I think all those numbers should be consistent. I would go I would do all of those I would make those all ninety days. Ninety days before it expires, tell us what he wants to do. And then ninety days before and after an election, take no action on the manager.

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And that he can't resign within ninety day that Right. That he's to give us ninety days notice if he resigns?

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Yes. Right.

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So you want those to

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I think I think I'm good with ninety for all of those.

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That's fine.

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Okay. You're good with that. How about councilwoman?

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That's good.

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That's fine.

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I'm still not sold on the four votes, though. I and, again, not that I want to get rid of you. I just find it to be I understand the thought process. I do think that part of the job of of the village manager is that with the newly elected, it's his job to create those relationships and and that trust so that that's not something that anyone wants to do. And I'm confident that any of our candidates are gonna come in here and be that ignorant to just wanna fire our village manager on a whim.

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Although we've seen

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don't think they would have the votes. Probably.

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You know, they need and it has happened in another municipality. That's the concern.

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And I think if we could always find cause. I mean, there's you can make I mean, come on. On a daily basis, we find cause.

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it. I think if if if there was a real desire to get rid of Mr. Barnes, we would have cause to do it and it would take a three person vote. If you just if you don't have any cause on me, you just want to change for change sake.

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If I want to paint it in a different light as well, it actually also offers some protection to the village because technically without cause would also require twenty week severance pay. So this would require a super majority of counsel to actually make that financial

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commitment.

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That's a exposure that the village would have if you went without cause.

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Okay. Let's let's move forward with me.

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Someone make a motion or have more questions. Oh, we

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have cards.

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We have cards.

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People are still here. Yeah. Hey. We'll call you on a minute. Did we

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get through all of it, John?

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Yes. Okay. Madam Mayor. All have any other questions?

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Yes. No. I did. I'm tired. So we have to open the public hearing.

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Not a public

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hearing. Not. Okay. So we just have two cards. Alright. So we have Bruce Tooman and Jim Mantras. I'll let you guys decide.

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Name is Bruce Tooman, and my primary and homestead at 0 Lot Line property is at 752 Lake Wellington Drive in the village of Wellington. Do you all recall when the manager failed to inform you that the fluoration of our water supply was delayed a year and a half? And they didn't tell you about it? And our water quality test showed that the fluoride was in the water, but it wasn't? Do you all recall the email from the manager stating, the public should not expect any privacy at our events?

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The mayor told me, quote, the manager doesn't tell me everything, end quote. So how can you supervise the manager? How can you even trust anyone who doesn't tell you everything? How can you support a manager in which his employees do not follow his instructions, and make up Villa's policies instead of bringing it to this body. I believe the manager is supporting a deep state mentality in the village of Wellington, and we do not deserve a castle style communist state in Wellington. Thank you.

5:52:430

Thank you, sir. Mister Mantros, you're up. You've waited a long time. We appreciate your patience. And this is finally your moment.

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I'm going to read to you an email which I got from mister Barnes about a year ago. Mayor, you were a part of that email. And I initially sent you an email, and you referred me to him. But he after he's did a lot of condescending remarks about mayor Morgolis and k Park, and I'm not gonna get into that. He said, but mister Montrose, communities are paralyzed by an impossible expectation that progress must come with unanimity.

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For years, local government has treated unanimity as the gold standard for decision making. We delay projects, restructure policies, and soften solutions in endless attempt to make sure everyone is on board. But no community has ever moved forward because everyone agreed. Communities move forward because leaders have the courage to act knowing full well that opposition will always exist. Governance was never designed to be a group therapy session.

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It is not about waiting until every voice is satisfied. It's about making decisions that protect the long term interest of the entire community, not just the loudest or the most persistent factions. The belief that unanimous approval should drive decision making is why infrastructure projects take decades to materialize. It's why zoning reforms get stuck in limbo. It's why elected officials hesitate to every necessary action fearing backlash from those who will never be satisfied regardless of the outcome.

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Peel it all back and you realize that leadership demands action in the absence of unanimity. Waiting for total agreement is the same as choosing inaction. And inaction is in itself a decision. A decision to let problems fester, costs rise, and opportunities slip away. Communities fail because people convince themselves that no choice is safer than a hard choice.

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The best communities do not govern by committee. They do not confuse engagement. And I go on and on and on. And I read all that to you because I found that very interesting and odd because it didn't sound like our village manager, Jim Barnes. But yet he sent me this email saying that.

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I, as a private investigator, started looking around and I found out that what he wrote to me was actually written by Brooks Williams, manager in the Dallas Fort Worth area. That's called theft of intellectual property.

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upon that, you will just you have that in mind knowing that he stole things.

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Okay. Let mister Brooks know.

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Mister mayor, if I could address this, I know outside of our usual process, but I'm gonna go ahead and

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address it. We have plenty of time.

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We got it. We extended for a while. So I actually have an email, which I think I forwarded to counsel that that same day, April, I had already asked mister Williams, actually doctor Williams, is the city manager for the city of Ferris, Texas, that that if I could use his words. And his exact response to me was, thank you, Jim. You're more than welcome to use whatever you would like.

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I hope it helps. I appreciate the kind words. It has been therapeutic to be able to share my thoughts, and I hope it is a reminder it is a reminder for what we do. Keep in touch. Notwithstanding the fact that there's probably around 10,000, a little bit under 10,000 city managers throughout the country, it's still a fairly small collegial fraternity of people that do the same work every day, sometimes thankless. And so notwithstanding the distance covered by the miles between cities, we still are a pretty close group. And we communicate pretty regularly.

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Did someone write that for you?

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I'm sorry?

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Did someone write that for you? I'm tired and punchy.

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And with that clear presentation.

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Yes. That's all

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the comments over.

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Is there a motion on contract as amended?

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But he didn't get credit for it. And what he wrote.

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I don't don't think I don't think that We're I don't know what we're doing here, but I don't

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Your motion

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on the contract. I don't

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think that I should make the motion since I

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Okay. Negotiated.

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Move to approve the contract. The village manager's contract Amended. Red line work right there.

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Somebody needs to second it

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as amended. Second.

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All in favor? Aye. Opposed? Five zero passes. Thank you. Mr. Barnes, hope you don't have much left.

5:57:564

I think we have one more item, which is the item that mister McGovern and council agreed to add to this next item of consent agenda. That's ordinance number twenty twenty six dash 10.

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So I'll try Boston. So folks, this is I bring this to you all because as as vice mayor Siskind and I depart, and we've discussed this at the end of the twenty twenty to twenty twenty four terms. And this has historically been discussed and and not passed. But the fact of the matter is is that and maybe it never should be passed, but it should at least be considered and and that and you all should at least talk about it. The village charter talks about a $300 per month salary to council people that goes back thirty years.

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It and there has been a per a diem of $500 a month that was added many years ago. And that brings salary to council people to be far less, dramatically less than than any of the council people at any of the top 10 municipalities in Palm Beach County. And so if if this is something that you all wanted to consider, tonight is the night that we should consider it. By the way, and although we're getting inappropriate comments from the audience, this would be an ordinance and it would require two votes. So it would be noticed and be coming up at the next meeting as well.

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And in addition to that, it would not take effect until after the The election. The election. So it would not benefit, either miss Siskin or, mister McGovern.

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Correct. And it take

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and it takes two votes?

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And and to be it takes two readings. And to be clear, at any point in time when this has ever been something that could have benefited me personally, I have voted against it.

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Me too. So Thank you.

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What is this? It's just a summary. Oh, okay. I've completely lost my copy of it in this process and I've it's a little late. No, no,

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he just handed me the same thing as you did. Oh.

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I was hoping at the beginning.

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Oh, this. Here. Thanks.

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I don't know that I'm in favor of this, but it's late and I don't want to give this a lot of thought right now. But if we want to move this on to a second reading, we can discuss it in more depth when we're all awake.

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Well, I mean, I think that

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you You would have to pass it on first reading.

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Right. We have to pass it for it and then come back in second reading and have an actual robust discussion on whether we should do this or not.

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And what exactly is it?

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Please stop talking in the audience because we're not hearing from you right now, and I can hear everything you're saying. So this is not the time to make muttering comments to yourself that we can hear up here. We'd like to wrap this meeting up. It's rather late.

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Oh, to hear you guys.

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Okay. So on this document, what exactly if we're approving on first reading, what are we approving? I'm seeing numbers and

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it's 12 approving

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So so for the purposes of bringing this here as a walk on item, I asked missus Cohen to to draft this document such that it would increase the monthly salary from $300 to $1,000 and the monthly per diem from what appears to be $542 to $650. And that would then bring Wellington essentially in line with the salary plus car allowance that is given in Royal Palm Beach, and that would leave us still as that would still leave Wellington Council people, I believe, as the lowest potentially with Jupiter and Royal Palm as essentially getting the same salary at 20,000.

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Now Okay.

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And that and and the whole point of that was purely so that so that you all could have

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discussion and that it was in line with the very bottom of the range. Right? There's other numbers that, you know, Delray is at 30,000, Boca's at 33,000. There's a variety of numbers. West Palm Beach at 47,000.

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And I have some different numbers than Mr. Barnes' memo has because his doesn't include the secondary item in some cases.

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Okay. It also does away with the difference in salary between the mayor

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and the council. Then I'm against it. I want my $40 a month more than they get. $40 is definitely worth the difference in the amount of time I put in.

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Well, I would love to continue the conversation. And I know that, you know, there's always people that will have opinions, but when you stay here until 12:30, sometimes the the amount of work that we put in, I I think that we do deserve a a little bump. It's not something outrageous. After thirty years, a lot of people wouldn't stay at a job for for a low pay like that. Not that we're doing this for the money at all whatsoever. But I I would move to approve ordinance number twenty twenty six dash 10 on first reading.

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Motion and seconded. Like I said, I'll vote for it tonight, but I want to read it more because I'm too tired to think about it right now. All in favor? Aye. Opposed? Hearing none. You're opposed?

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Opposed. Okay. I'm just yeah.

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Okay. So that's gonna obviously

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be brought back.

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Passes four one. Yeah. Those on first reading, and we'll come back. Okay. And Second reading.

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One minute, and we're not gonna extend again. Okay.

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So mister Barnes report make it quick.

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Has any report?

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I do not have a report.

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Thank god.

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Mister Barnes, one I have I have nothing to add.

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The next village council meeting is when?

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That would be held on the agenda review What is Monday, it? March 9,

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the next regular council meeting will be on Tuesday,

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March sorry.

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I got it. He has a public comment. Oh, we didn't open and

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close public hearing.

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Oh. Let's go back and open open and close the public hearing.

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No. There was no it's open. It's forum.

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It's just public comment.

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Public forum for non agenda

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ordinance. We did not on this on the salary ordinance. Hold on. On the salary ordinance, we did not open and close a public hearing. We need to go back and open and close

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a It's public an ordinance.

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Okay. Okay.

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So let's open the public hearing.

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Okay. Move to open public hearing.

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All in favor. Aye. Public hearing is open. Mister Tooman, you have a card. Come on up. Three minutes.

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Is his card on this or his card on something else?

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Well, this is brand new. I didn't have the opportunity. Didn't know about it what's happening.

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You can fill out your card afterward.

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Thank you very much.

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He did. I have

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My name is Bruce Tooman. My my primary and homestead resident zero lot line is at 752 Lake Wellington Drive in the village of Wellington. This ordinance, first reading, wasn't published, was it? It was designed today. I thought you had to publish the information so that people know we get here for the first reading, and then you have a second reading next time.

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But you didn't have it, you did it at the last minute, and that it's really not very transparently to the people. So the question I have is, why did you put it on this very lengthy agenda today? You could have waited till next week to do it, there's no important to do it, but apparently you had it thrown in the last minute. And again, attorney, isn't there some notification requirements when you have first readings of ordinances? And again, you you forgot about the public import.

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And again, maybe there would be more people here if they knew about it. I know some of the people were talking about this at last minute and saying, are we going to be able to talk about it? And to me, again, it's not really fair. And again, to me, it sure sounds like a deep state mentality. Thank you.

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All right.

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Move to close public hearing or public comment. All

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in favor? Aye. Public comment is now closed.

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Retake the vote please.

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Someone make the motion again.

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Where is it? Move to approve ordinance number twenty twenty six dash 10.

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On first reading. Is there a second? All in favor? Aye. Opposed? Hearing none, let's go.

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Oh, Siskin is opposed.

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I'm sorry. I'm still sleepy. I'm getting sleepier. Passes four to one. Okay. Public forum. Mr. Tooman, for the fifth time or however many.

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Yes. Name is Bruce Tooman. My primary and homestead lot zero lot line property. It's at 752 Lake Wellington Drive in the village of Wellington. Ordinance section thirteen two, property maintenance standard b, general regulation item three, addresses sidewalks and or driveway aprons within public right of ways.

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Section 20 dash three definition describes two types of right of ways, Wellington's right of way and private right of ways. Pursuant to the property appraiser and the Monterey on the Lake HOA Inc, governing documents are roads, sidewalks, and curbing, and swales are privately owned by the HOA. The HOA maintains the roads, curvings, and the sidewalks, not the owners. The village cited 20 owners about cleaning their sidewalks about five years ago. I informed the code enforcement officer of this error with little interest of informing decided homeowners.

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I talked to a couple of my neighbors who received violations for painted sidewalks. I counted 20 plus other homeowners who had also had sidewalks painted. Were their painted sidewalks cited? My neighbors were reluctant, reluctant to confer to confront the village, and spent time and money attempting to remove the paint on privately owned sidewalks, Sidewalks that's maintained by the association, not the owner. The village should reimburse the owners who spent time and money following this repeated error by code enforcement.

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However, if you do consider our sidewalks and roads public right of ways, then start maintaining them like you do others. Now, I also request my counselor to waive the lien fines and penalties on my property, and accept my landscape plan for the following reasons. The landscape demand was added after I it raised several issues, and I believe it was in retaliation. The codes do not define front plane. So how can you find?

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You don't define, you can't find. With our drought issue today, should we have 75% of our front plane scrubbed? Code enforcement manager apparently perched himself saying no to caps when officers say yes. And my landscape had exceeded the number of shrubs required for my front plane, but they were in pots, not in the ground planted. Apparently, some potted plants are okay by code enforcement, but some are not.

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I realize our mayor may not allow us to address this concern at this time, especially the time we're at at that time of night. But I really think somebody should address my allegations of a deep state in the village of Wellington. I'm disappointed that not one of my elected officials replied to my emails concerning the conduct of our employees. It almost like my communications

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Your time

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Thank is you.

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Thank you.

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We have passed the time that the meeting

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is Correct. Let's do a formal motion to adjourn. All in favor? Aye. We're out.

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