Township Board - Regular Meeting

We start. Mr. Norbec isn't here. We're alive. All remaining in order have the pledge of allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Amen. Roll call. Everyone serve. Public comment. Public comment here. public comment online then there's nobody on

there's nobody online that we have no public comment now being heard approve the agenda purpose of the specialy is consider the sale of fire department property which would be the truck so the reason we did this is to just decide if in fact do we want to list it or do we want to go ahead with Josh and the company trying to sell it to the other company by asking for more money he said we could strip everything off Um, all hose, all everything. All the extrication gear, the whatever the little lights on the stansions are called, everything. And uh, Caitlyn told me they're going to keep a couple of adapters, these big honken brass adapters that are

We'll probably take all the adapters actually because they're very expensive. They're hundred and some dollar. So, who is offering to buy this? So the company Josh through Alex Alexis has one of their dealers that would sell it to another thing after they fix it. Okay. So Alexis, which is the same company that we bought a new truck, right? Correct. Correct. They're offering to buy the truck from us and then one of their sister dealers. No, they're just negotiating the deal and the the actual purchaser would be the pin buyer, the other the other department. Okay. So we like a commission. There's no commission. No. They're acting like a broker. They're brokering it for They're broken it for zero. But the truck is going to them to get outfitted or fixed. No,

my understand not Alexis. He's another dealer is going to fix it wherever that I think another Alexis dealer. Be another Lexus dealer. It's going to fix it for the department. Where is the check coming from? Alex or the end buyer? The end buyer. Because I asked that yesterday. Who's writing the check?

And I said, you know, I think we'd like to get more money. I mean, I'll I'll bring up to the board. My idea would be we start higher. They if if there's no commission involved at 150 right now, the offer is they'll write 15. You've never looked at the check. I never looked at the truck. I said, "Okay, what if we came back at 160?" He said 160. I said, "What if we start at 165 and you just told him?" He said, "Well, you might lose them, you might not lose them." I said, "Well, it's a starting point. We can negotiate. If we do it the other way and list it, it's seven 8%. 8%. If they do it the other way, whoever it is, I think 78%. That's 12 grand.

So, you'd have to get 12 grand. Let's say we got 160. You'd have to get 172 to make it be the same money, right? And the question is is at 172 knowing that that piece of equipment needs a minimum of $20,000 of repairs because of what's broken on it. Is somebody going to pay the one we don't know that they got what we really need is somebody to pay more than that. Well, yeah. Yeah. So, you have to I don't think you can sell without now that we know what's wrong with it. I'm surely not going to disclose. Oh, yeah. I'm not going to do that. Does the buyer know that that's what's wrong with it? Okay.

Yeah. They know they have to pay 20 to 25. They don't even know. Let's just say it's 25 grand or 20 grand to fix it. They know that going in and that's why they're offering what they're offering. And he may not. The other buy may not come up. I don't know that. We never had him call anybody. I said, "Well, don't do anything till my board decides what they want to do." And he said, "Okay." So, I talked to Tom H. Hearnen um to find because he's been leading the discussions with all the otheries. Right. Right. And I said, "Would the district, if it ever formed, have any interest in that truck? Is it better than any of the equipment that the other communities have that you'd be keeping?" And he said, "No, I don't want it."

Because it's for a variety of reasons. Well, there's a variety of reason. We've had issues with it. It's he doesn't like it. It's a It's a different type of chassis than what we got anyway. So, he said basically no. So, um, just for what it's worth, that was one of my questions and I've gotten that answered down. So, so he so he has no interest in use repurposing it for the correct. So, to refresh your memory with numbers. Yeah. Um, it was like 300,000

if So, it's saying the current repairs generator foam system real motor would be about 20 grand. [clears throat] Supposedly, the current value of the truck in AS is condition is 155. Um, if they were if we were to receive an offer at 170, we would net 1564 because the commission would be if you listed if you listed it. That's correct, right? Yeah. No, but you guys were kind of guessing what So, is it 155 or 150? It's 155 is the offer.

No, she's saying if we listed it for sale and it sold for 170 and they took their commission out, not not deal. If we listed it for sale nationwide, you'd have to sell it for 170, take the commission off, you net 155. If you had an offer 170, you'd net 1564. What I said is the current value and asis condition. The appraisal they gave us was 155 and we have an offer for 150, right? Oh, okay. That's why I would come back and I told that yesterday. I said I think the only thing I is I would say 1625 and let them offer a little bit less and end up selling somewhere between 157 and a half and 160. Why would they pay pay over the appraised value?

Well, that's not that's their value. That's their appraised value. They develop no that's what they came up with as an offer. based on the fact they think fixed up it's worth who's that Alexis or the buyer? The buyer I keep and I don't know who the buyer is. He told us yesterday, didn't he? He told us the name of the municipality. They're in Minnesota. I might not have been there. Wasn't it in Minnesota? It's out there. Minnesota, Montana. It's somewhere out there. They're kind of interested because of the four-wheel drive. That's been the only part of the truck basically we haven't had a problem with. Right. Everything else has been kind of an ongoing behind me. Is our new truck over there? No. No, it's not.

I don't think those are the kind of trucks you just take off road native. I mean Oh, no. No, no, no. I mean, I do. But the question is this. So, if you listed it for sale, but let's say you listed it for sale for one What did you say it was 170? You said if you listed it for 170, then that would be 1564. Okay. There would be no sense doing that. You might as well list it for 175 then 180 and then you got let's Can we call Josh? Yeah. I told the make sure that call firet truck Josh offer is 150. I don't have a Josh number for firet truck. Well call fire truck. I think the offer was 150. I think that's what this says.

Okay. It is. I love these phones. They get more. Wait till that thing just implants into You know what? I want it implanted, right? Yeah. Moving along. Couple years. Yeah. I have a dealer who could be interested in paying 150 as is. That's what it is. No commission, no broker fee.

Order number for fire truck. That's nice. How about Did you put him under Alexis? No. She put him under Josh. I saw the two of you right here exchanged phone numbers. So, you have it in there. Hey Siri, call Tyrone. I have a phone number. I just don't know if it's direct off the rails there, isn't it? Let's say recent. Let's go back to local. Oh, no. You don't know what letter the local man yesterday. What time was that? Gosh, I don't remember. We were all here.

Yeah, it was right before lunch. 11ish, 11:30. Okay. I go back. What are they going to do with that building that the old Quanza? Yeah, the old pub. I'm not going to let the plot. Yeah. What's going to happen? Is it tear down aable? Oh, you found it. Yeah. Under miss call from yesterday. I was going to say noon 11:40. That's how you found it. It may be wrong. It's a Oh, it's right. How are you? I forgot to enter your name in the phone yesterday, so I'm looking all over the board. Where'd you go?

Well, I found it miscalled because I didn't answer. You are on speaker phone. So you're on speaker phone. My board is here. And you're on Zoom. And you're on Zoom. I'm on Zoom. All right. So go ahead. What was the question we were going to ask him?

Is the offer on the table 150 or were we able to have that discussion about maybe a little more? A as it as it stands right now, it is currently an offer of 150,000. Based on what you guys decide you want to do, I I will take it back to the dealer out of Minnesota and ask them for whatever. Um, I know the other day when I was talking with with you guys there internally, we were kind of, hey, can we go back to them and and ask for 160? I am happy to do that. I just need a dollar amount that we want to go back and basically counter with and and open up that negotiation channel.

Okay. So, is actually the check. So Ed asked me this, not to the management, but the check for the truck at whatever price we sell for, it's going to come from Alexis or from the other municipality? Nope. It it'll it'll come from the other dealer out in Minnesota. And that's an Alexus dealer. They are an Alexis dealer, but they do they they work in the used truck realm as well. Um I'm drawing a blank right now of the name of the company, and I apologize. I can look No, it doesn't. Yeah, it the check would come directly from them for the purchase of the truck.

Okay. So, if we went the other way and we said, "Okay, we want you to list it or we listed it." What is the commission rate at that point? Uh the commission rate for your truck would be 8%. Okay. So, we're trying to figure out what we'd have to sell it for less the commission to end up with the same money. And I think with that same money, you'd have to sell the truck. So, I'm I'm going to take the 150 number. that's sitting on the table in front of us, if you will. Wow, that's easy. We did 8% here. Divide it by 92 162.

Yeah, it's going to be Yes, you're right. Right. right in that 162 because if you if we were to sell it at 165 less than 8% you would owe 13,200 on the truck and net 151800. [clears throat] So Josh um you guys aren't affiliated with this dealer oh wherever correct I mean they just happen to they just happen to carry Yeah. So, so your you you or your company is who came up with the estimate of value of 150 asis with no equipment on it. 155

155 excuse me. So that estimate came from Firetruck Resource. They are a another company that we work with as an ally to broker our used vehicles for customers. So we're not affiliated with them either. We just route all of our used truck stuff through them and they they present us back with an evaluation on the truck based on all of the information, the repair needs, the condition of the truck, that that whole realm, right? Um they come up with the estimated value of the truck based on what they're looking at.

And do they give you that verbally or in writing or how do you get that from them? No, we have it in writing. No, I I I know that that chief has it for sure. Okay. Uh if I'm not mistaken, I believe he also shared that information with you, Dave, did he not? I probably got it. We probably got We're just making sure that someone calls us up on it as to what you did. We're trying to just actual paper evaluation with with that information uh from from Dennis Moore at Firetruck Resource. Okay. Okay. You want to ask him anything else? We'll just we talk about it. Okay. How long are you going to be available for?

I should be available for about the next half hour or so. Very good. Thank you. Thank you. I didn't think it was there. I I misunderstood when he was here and said that but it's a different dealer that they're not affiliated with. I guess maybe I asked him is it you guys? Yeah, that clarifies for me. Sorry. Well, well, then and the estimate actually came from some other third party, which is good, right? Because if this was all internally in one thing, you could say, well, I don't believe any of this because there still a lot of money for the truck. So, if we can get up to one, my idea is if we can get up to close to 160 or something,

we sell it. That's just my opinion because then you got to get 172 to get the same money. And then and I don't want to lose this guy either on the same token because he may not be when I was looking online at some of those other Chuck there were some that same vintage now I don't know if they were commercial frame whatever some were less and some some were quite a bit more right but I don't know you know but our truck was actually how much new we talked about that three three something three 43 I think 43 and it's how old 15 years old and how they're only good for Well, the time out after 20 that Yeah, you have to go through probably some kind of

Well, you just got to rebuild. Yeah, rebuild the pump. I'm sorry. Is anyone online? Rebuild crab. No, but it'll be But it'll be expensive in 5 years. You're looking at We still need to fix all the stuff. The current truck, the current engine that we're looking to hopefully sell to somebody else who will love it needs to be fixed. Yeah. Right. The world right now. Yeah. Yeah. So I wait that's just my opinion. I'm just telling my opinion. I had a couple concerns. One one was I didn't understand the transaction. I understand the transaction now. Two is I wasn't sure um if they were manipulating the price.

Well well no I I I didn't know the value of the truck originally which which we which we know now. Right. And and so my the big thing was well do we want to put it out in an open marketplace? But now that we know we've got I mean could that company not be independent? Maybe. But sounds like an independent third party appraisal appraisal value. Um well this could be done tomorrow and we wouldn't have to think about it anymore. And a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. In my mind your first offer is usually your best offer. Always has been in the car business. But you might lose that guy. And then there I looked online. There's a crapload of used trucks. a lot of them. It's not like there's 10 or 15 used. There's a bunch of

Minnesota's got all kinds of money. We might as well ask I I agree. I think the draw for this truck is is a four-wheel drive. I think that's the draw. Okay. If it was two if it was two wheel drive, I don't think you have the same interest. No, I mean basically and and it has problems, but they know it has problems. We 161. We wouldn't have to stand up. I'm gonna tell I my opinion would be tell call them 162 and see what you can negotiate and somewhere around about 155 you take the offer and just tell give them some leeway. Yeah. And how would you feel if the person walked away getting that offer?

Well, then that's that's the decision you make. That's that's the end result of being on a board making decisions. It may not work out. This all sounds great. After the new information, I'm good with letting it go at 150. I am too. Yeah, me too. And don't forget, we guesstimate the value of the equipment that we're going to keep from the truck, the hoses, the extrication, the adapters, blah blah blah at roughly 20 thou. No, not 20,000 to 20,000. Roughly 20,000. Maple Grove. He's uh So we're like by the interested

they're interested in what is it? All the Jaws stuff. Yeah. I didn't agree like here it never talked about us being able to keep the stuff that you're talking about. So there's a lot of value. Well, originally I think we were talking about keeping the extrication equipment and when Josh was here he said pay he said keep the hoses keep the you said it to them with hooks and ladders only. That's what they're that's what they were and there's a thousand I think there's 1,000 ft of hose on the truck when the hose is all decent shape and well some of the hoses older and would need to be I think pressure tested is the way she phrased it and then some of the hoses new. The 50ft section of hose is $350.

They're expensive and we have a,000 ft on the truck. So why get I mean that's something they're talking thousands of dollars. Well, yeah. Why? Yeah. How much is that? 3500, right? Yeah. Yeah. Right. 3500. I mean, so why give that away? The fittings are $100 to $200 a piece. They'll take every fitting off the truck. It's stupid to leave it. Caitlyn said one of the adapters was roughly the one that they're for sure going to take off is, she said, about $3 to $4,000. So now does all this stuff work on the truck that we just got then

the adapters for hose and all that? Yeah, cuz we have different hose sizes that we have accumulate over the years. Now maybe you get rid of all that and you end up with one, you know, but it also helps when you have other trucks show up that have different that's that's what all that's for. Oh yeah. Like shows up and then you're they need another piece of So that's all if everyone's kind of someone make a motion that we I'll I'll call the guy back. and call back back right now. I would move that we sell it or I don't know who we're selling it to exactly except that we agree to a sale price of $150,000 as as a minimum. It's not what I said.

I know, but as a minimum that way if it's higher. Why would it be higher? I think he can negotiate 107. She doesn't want you to negotiate. She wants to settle it. That's a her motion. I'll tell him not to lose the guy. You ain't going to let the guy walk. You never let anybody walk out of the office that you lose. This is This is a used car. Oh my god. No, you never do that. He's been screwing old ladies out of No, [laughter] not screwing anybody. It's called negotiated. Okay. Is on Zoom. Sorry. See, he's been negotiating a little before I withdraw your motion for a minute. to tell you that I have lost real estate deals on stupid counter offers. That's true. Where people

say, I'm not going to I'm not going to disagree with you. So, let's do this. We'll just tell them we're want you to sell it without loosening.

Okay. So, I don't know how to phrase this. So, we don't want to lose the deal, but one of my board members has sold real estate for years. She said she's had people walk away from deals over stupid things. It isn't much money. And I and I tend to agree with that happens sometimes. So, we'd like to get more money. And I hate telling this to a salesperson, but we would board members would like more money. Some board members would like more money. So, we'd let it go even if it brought the 150. But I don't want you to lose the buyer. Well, time out. So,

correct me if I'm wrong here. So, I think what I I'm willing to try and maximize this for you guys the best that I can.

Okay. I think what I'm going to do is go back to the Minnesota dealer and say we have we have authorization to move forward, but the counter offer is at 160,000 for the sale of the truck as is no equipment. Let him come back if he wants to because his offer is already at 150. If we counter with 160, negotiate within that realm between 150 and 160,000, see where they come back at come back at with maybe they come back at 158, maybe they come back at 155, maybe they come back at 152. We we don't know that till they make their decision. Right. Right. But let the offer them offer them 160 and get you guys $10,000 more if they take it. If not, we're kind of negotiating in between those two points.

And then if they were to walk away, does that mean that you would pay us the 150? I'm sorry. One more time. Say that again. She said if they walked away, does that mean you'd write us a check for 150? No, [clears throat] because because you don't think it's worth any more than that, correct? I mean, you're not

I'll be honest with you. I think 150 is a very reasonable offer. Um I I got the other thing that I'm taking into consideration is putting myself in the other dealer seat. Uh I got to bring the truck in. I know that there's some repairs that need to be done and I also need to turn around and sell it to the end user. So, that's going to increase the cost to the to the end user a little bit. Uh, and we we also have to make it reasonable to the dealer to to put those repairs in it and also make a little bit of money on turning around and reselling it. Um, 150.

Um, I I think we go back to them at the 160, see if they take it. Um, if we can get a full 150 out of it, I think we're sitting really good. Um, and if we get 155 out of it, everybody's uh he's he's happy. even buying it at a at an e price, not exactly where he wanted it. And you guys are also happy because we're getting an extra $5,000 truck. Do you know this guy well at the other dealer at all or no? [clears throat] Fortunately don't know him at all. Oh, okay. He's been in my network of youth youth drug guys. I I don't want to put you on the spot, but roughly what's your batting average at negotiating higher prices?

Brief. I'll be honest with you with another dealer. It's probably 5050, right? That's pretty good. Well, they're worried he's just going to walk away, which he might, but on the other token, at some point, if you came back down to the 150, he's probably not going to walk away anyways. Let me ask one question because at some point, I don't know if it's you or who, but that truck is going to have to be winterized. If we were to accept the offer on the table as it currently is, uh, talk to us about how that time frame taking Yeah. possession of that vehicle, getting it out of here so we don't have to find a place to store it or deal with renterizing it.

I'm guessing you're probably looking at a couple of weeks. Um, you're the the Minnesota dealer has to has to put the offer together to the ultimate end user, which is another fire department. Um, I I know that the other fire department that he's been talking to, they kind of know that this is it's it's it it's on the table at potentially available. So to to the best of my understanding, uh that end department has already has board approval to purchase something. Um and this fits their needs. So I don't think it's going to get held up in uh a position where we have to go through or wait a month for board approvals and that kind of stuff. I think that's already been taken care of on the front side for them. So, it's just a matter of the dealer getting their stuff together, getting it out there, getting it repaired, and getting it delivered.

Okay. Um, I I fully expect this to go fairly quickly once it starts happening. So, what amount was the board approval for? No, he she's asking for board approval. My I guess he wants to know how much the other approved. What What fire department was that, Josh? I I have no idea that that information was not given to me at all. And Josh, just for clarification, since um Jennifer and Dave are reporting what you said that truly we can take equipment off of this and fufu stuff.

Yeah, I I will I will get that information. I I will verify that information. I I did not get a chance to do that yesterday. Um, but based on all of my previous conversation, there was never any discussion regarding any of the equipment that is currently on the truck going with the truck. So, all of the tools, the hose, uh, that kind of stuff can come off. I had the conversation with uh, Chief yesterday. The only things that need to remain on the truck because it's standard practice within the industry is leaving the ladders and the hard suction hose on it. Um, and chief indicated that there was no reason for you guys to keep that stuff. You have a full complement of all of that stuff already and to send when you purchase a new truck, it comes comes with that with those two pieces of equipment. That make sense?

Yeah. Okay. Everything else should be stripped, but I can certainly uh get email communication out to to you guys the board verifying that information as well. We just won't tell them we have it. For one thing, they don't know. I would not tell them we had extrication equipment for drives anyways. That was separate separate issue of hose. That was I don't think that was ever there's 100 foot of hose on there if if it came to that. I guess we could leave 100 foot of hose, but yeah, at at the end of the day, I mean, from the the end user we know is a fire department, they're going to have hose and they're going to have the ultimate equipment that needs to be on the truck. So,

okay. All right. Well, I think we're we're going to make a we were going to make a motion to do it. We're just trying to figure out how to word it. So, it's up to the board. You know how she didn't like that way. I didn't like the way she worded it, I guess. You currently have a motion on the table. Nobody second. Well, all right. Sorry. She stopped. I stopped. All right. All right. Call you back again. Bye. Go ahead with your motion. You're making a motion. $5,000 out of the Laring Center proceeds and go towards a new fire truck and we'll get funded.

How does this sound? I'm just putting this out there. You We want him to sell the truck. We'd say at the minimum we would accept is 150,000 and let him negotiate. If he can get more, fine. If he can't deal with the 150. So that's I mean I'm just putting this out. I don't know how to word it. I'm just saying I'm not all I'm not all that worried about an extra 5 grand to take all the equipment off the truck. I'd like to have a motion to sell it for the 150. Personally, that's where that's where I'm sitting. So, personally, that's

Go ahead, Sandy. You can do your motion. I mean, you could make it for not less than 150, but you could also, right, that covers the 150 motion for not less than and then not having an affirmative thing in that motion that authorizes him to negotiate on our behalf doesn't make any sense. I don't know. We have a price. They've made an offer, right? I would move that we sell the truck to whoever the dealer's name is that I don't know. Well, you sell a truck through through Alexis or 150,000 with the ladders and hose. Suction hose. Suction hose. Yeah, he said hooks. Hooks and ladders.

Whatever that is. I think hooks, but I'm also saying as is. Yeah. Hard one as is. All other equipment. Do we need to put all of that in there? No. No. Just motion to accept an offer of$1,000 for the sale of a fire engine. I'll get the engine here. I'll get that as [clears throat] there's second. I'll support that. Thank you. Discussion. I have none. So I gave my pitch. I'd have gotten to pay 160, but it's here. I understand your point because real estate

gambling. Yeah. No, I get it. So that's that's it, right? There's no Right. You're right. I don't want it sitting here in July. I know. But and you don't want to sit here July either of us. And you don't want sitting here in July. No. Hey, it look good in the I'm ready to ask you the old blue if you were going to ship. People, you know how mad people would be if they saw two fancy shiny fire trucks going down the street? They think we're doing really well. We Yeah. They'd be like, "My god, look at the stuff these guys got." Any other discussion? None being heard. All in favor say I. I. I. Oppose. That's carried. Okay, I'm going to adjure the meeting because we don't need to be in session any longer. I'll call we'll call him back.