Capital Outlay Committee - Regular Meeting

Good. Good afternoon, everyone. This is Capital Outlay Committee meeting for May the 7th. And we have taken a roll call. We're in conference room number one. It's 4 o'clock in the afternoon, so we'll get started here. Everybody's present. And I need a motion to approve the agenda as modified.

I'll make a motion to approve the agenda as modified.

I will read the modifications real quick. One of them is 6B on appliance approval on the update when we do the animal shelter. the other one is on seven c new business uh discussion on permission to use the courthouse lawn area for a prayer group in august through the third through the seventh we have a motion and we have a second second and the second is any more discussion all in favor say aye next thing is we need approval for the previous minutes Motion to approve. I have a motion from Mr. Hollingsworth to approve the minutes. Do you need a second? I will second it. I know you weren't here. So I'll second the motion. Any discussion on it? All right. We have any public comments? Does anybody want to speak? Anybody in public want to just speak? Okay. All right, so we'll get on to our unfinished business, so our old business. Number 6A, which is update on the health department. I will go ahead and do that one real quick. The health department's looking very well right now. Base asphalt's down. They're waiting for a couple modified panels for the exterior. Around the doorways, that's their special made pieces. So they're working working on those Interior is the cabinets are all installed. The countertops are being installed We are meeting there almost every week with Health Department personnel and a contractor So We had a meeting on Tuesday and went through where the grommet holes go for all the computer systems. Right now, I think Ben Lohman is one of the data people that we still need there to get the camera systems up and running, and also the telephone system working. From the last time we had on there about the base asphalt's down, Generator's been run several times, so it's good to go just right at it. They got one wire, I think, got tied the two annunciator panel into the main control panel to where it talks to one another, but that's pretty well done. The sign out at the road is the base has already been poured. The brick is gonna be probably laid this weekend, and so they're getting closer to getting the exterior sign put up. And the state wants a canopy put up now for where the drive-through is. And we're getting quotes from the contractor on that. It's quite a big canopy for the drive-through. So once that's done, we're getting very close to being finished up there. Flooring is scheduled to be put down. They're trying to get their final painting done. I went through the building with Eric, with Boyce Ballard, two days last week. inspecting all the walls for dents and holes and marks and stuff and it took us that long two days so we spent quite a few hours there doing that and he's got all the holes touched up and filled and sanded and ready for painting all the doors are hung it's really looking good i'm well pleased with that project So that's the update on the health facility. Next one on is 6B on the animal shelter. I'm going to give you a quick one on that one. Unless, Greg, do you want to speak, Greg, or Aaron?

I can, yeah. So I completed. Oh, you didn't come to the mic? Yeah.

If you don't mind, turn it on for us, please.

Are we hot? Yep. Okay. All right. So animal shelter. I completed the architectural punch list today. Scott was out there also. He completed his civil punch list today. Everything's looking really good. Honestly, construction quality looks good. Romack's done a pretty good job. I know we've had difficulties trying to push it across the finish line, but they have done a good job. um they do have a lead time issue with the last remaining ceiling tile they were a little bit short on some ceiling tile so we're working with them trying to mitigate that and try to get that resolved as quick as possible and then they found out today that the acoustic wall panels that were in the back animal area that they have not shipped yet so we're trying to find an alternate for that that's acceptable that we can get quick shipped Rodney has the final electrical inspection. I think it's scheduled for tomorrow. It was originally supposed to happen yesterday, but the state never made it out to do that. So final electrical inspection hopefully is tomorrow. After that, we'll have the final building inspection with codes here. Test and balance Tuesday, Wednesday of next week. And then... We will be, you know, he'll be working on punch list stuff. I plan to get in the punch list, architectural punch lists, either tomorrow or Monday. Scott's going to get him the punch list, the civil punch list tomorrow and Monday as well. And then he'll have, you know, it's a lot of paint and putty and, you know, touch up and sheet rock and stuff like that. But overall construction quality is really good. Ben Loman was out there today. They have terminated all the data wiring in the facility. They have mounted their rack in the mechanical room. So really all they need to do is terminate their tabling inside the mechanical room, pull a feed in from the highway out there. Their engineer was out there today to figure out what all they needed to do to make that happen.

So everything's looking pretty good. Did they get all the fixtures set in the bathrooms?

Yes, sir. There is one total accessory. I think it's a soap dispenser that they had to replace the front on. So it's not in yet, but it's getting shipped to Rodney and then Rodney is going to go out and replace it. Grass is looking good. Grass is coming up. We obviously had some get washed away with the, you know, didn't rain for three months and then we get three inches in a week and a half. But he has a plan to basically go in there and fill those bare areas in. So, yeah, everything's looking good.

I was concerned with some water. Did you see? Yes. You and I have talked about that.

Yes, sir. So Scott was out there today as well, and he looked at the grading plan and spoke with Rodney, and I think they've got a path forward. A lot of the – neighboring properties, wetland has punched through the, uh, the berm that was there existing. And, um, it is currently draining through our site and down into our detention point. It's draining as designed, but we don't want the neighboring properties, wetlands draining through our site. We would prefer them to keep that where it belongs. Um, so they're gonna work together with Scott on that and try to get that resolved. And then there is one other ponding location on the opposite side of the building over closest to the, uh, diesel truck repair place. Um, and like I said, Scott looked at that and he said that the grading plan made it pretty clear that, you know, it's supposed to sheet flow down into the, you know, to the front of the facility and into that detention pond up front. So he's worked with them on that and talked to Rodney about it. So they at least have a direction forward, sir.

Well, there was another place I was worried about was the entryway on the asphalt. Okay. Was it still holding water? No, sir. Okay.

No, no. Everything was dry this morning. Um, I got there about just shortly after eight this morning and everything was dry.

Okay, good. I just don't want them coming in. off the highway, you know, and hit ice in the wintertime. Absolutely.

Absolutely.

So, that's the only reason why I was concerned with it. Okay. All right. Good.

Thank you. I got some I'd like to say. I think Aaron's done a good job on this. I know back when all this first started, you know, we were back and forth, and I think he's done a good job on it. Terry, don't you think? Yep. He's been very informative, very professional, and I think he's got back to the committee.

He answers my call when I call. I try most of the time.

I try, sir.

And trust me, I've called him a lot.

I appreciate that, sir. Yeah, I agree. I'm trying. It's a lot. It's one of those things, you know, seeing my tax dollars spent right here at home to give our community an asset. I want to make sure that we get what we paid for.

So now you say you've got experience with the county now.

I do. I do know we've asked Aaron to get with a contractor about one more change that we'd like to see done. It was a mayor request change, and that's putting up a blinder

Privacy fence kind of screening element.

Privacy fence in front of the air conditioning system. Yeah. On the pad.

Because it is a rather large air conditioning unit due to the nature of the facility, and it's immediately in front of some of the parking spots.

Okay. So we have asked them to do that. that our canopy the one we all approved has been installed i've got them doing a small modification on it because it's kind of a birdhouse right now and i'm stopping the birdhouse thing because i don't want people just walking up to there and getting hammered yeah and then we're also getting a price to get craig a timer so they can open and close the gate at certain set hours so they can have business hours out there and not have to push the button to open the gate every time so

Positive progress.

Yes, it is. And it's really looking, it is looking good. And so I'm, I'm well pleased with it too.

Do we have a date in mind like we did with the health department?

I meant to tell you all the health department date. So looking for around July, the 1st of July, right in there is when the health department is going to open up because of all the punch list time that they'll have to do. But I don't know what our date is yet.

So we don't have, like I said, we're working right now to try to find some equivalent, some kind of accepted alternative ceiling tile and acoustic panels. If we use what was originally specified in the drawings and what partially has been installed on the ceiling tile, it looks like it will be the 20th of May before they get there. Our goal is to find a tile that is as good or better and acceptable, and that we can get quick shipped.

Are they going to try to, is it going to match the existing?

Yes, sir.

Or the new?

Yes, sir.

Okay. As long as it matches, I don't have a problem.

Yeah, and that's, you know, I think Rodney said they were like 250 tile short on the ceiling tile. Yeah, it's quite a bit. Which sounds like, I mean, it is quite a bit, 100%, but there's a lot of ceiling tile that go in that place. There is a lot.

It does look good, what he has in.

It does, absolutely. We're going to try to get that. I'm going to guess it'll probably be that week of the 18th through the 22nd. Like I say, Rodney's probably going to be out there, you know, doing final touch-ups and punch list stuff for next week. It's a lot of paint, a lot of sheetrock work, a lot of caulking, stuff like that. Nothing major. They've done a really good job, honestly. So I would guess, you know, 22nd of May, somewhere in that ballpark, would hopefully be handover, barring any unforeseen circumstances right now. But I don't have that from RoMAG. That's just strictly Aaron's educated guess.

It's about what you're looking at too, Greg, somewhere in that area. Are y'all working on that storage building at all yet? Yes.

Okay.

I was going to talk with the sheriff's department and see if we can't get some help as far as tearing out some of the walls in there. If you want to gut that building, we'll clean it out. But I was trying to wait until things settle down a little bit. We'll get on that, okay? You're wanting to take that out. See, and I ain't sure that we were going to take that out at this time, but I know it needs something done to it. I ain't sure what that answer is on that.

Yeah, it's starting to fall down.

Yeah, I know.

I'm obviously just an architect, but I had a liability concern.

I mean, if it does fly out into the highway, it's not your car.

So I wanted to talk to you about it, and the reason why I wanted to ask you about this is because if you're pulling in, what about from where the gate was at? to the left all the way to the left over to the corner taking that part out leave the part from the road uh the driveway over to the right just for a kind of a blind yes against the oh the old that storage building yeah i kind of felt the same thing myself i was looking at it yesterday i believe but yeah me personally there then again we i think i might be able to talk with

Maybe talk with Chad and see if we can get some. Oh, I'm sure we can.

Let's see what we can do for you, okay, on that.

Get the other side going.

Yeah. And get it out. Yeah. I know we were talking about initially leaving it up and let the state wind up moving it when they do the widening of the road. Widening. And then they'd have to put it back up, a new one. But it may not be even necessary to have a dog on fence out there anymore.

Like you said, there's already pieces missing. It's kind of an eyesore. Yeah, it is.

Right now it's not. Yeah. Well, I'll see what we can do on that part. Okay? All right. Greg's got us, everybody had the list last time we were here on the appliances, and it's pretty well set price. He's got it down another $100, so I want to ask for a motion to approve that quote that he got, which was from, Greg, which one was the cheapest? Where was you going to buy them from? They are. Where do you feel the best at? I'm going to say let's go ahead and just use the Home Depot quote and then let him. What's the money amount? Over 3869, somewhere around 3869.41, somewhere in there. Because you got 100 bucks off of this one.

Motion to approve.

I got a motion made to approve that. purchase of that equipment because we're gonna turn this over to I know we've already discussed it with Mariana and and budget and finance will probably have to approve it too I'll second it we have a second is that motion to approve at Home Depot yes the money yeah I'm just gonna approve the money amount where he gets it that's I'm gonna leave that up to him that'll work are you okay with that okay any more discussion All in favor say aye. Aye. Motion approved. So you're good to go on that, I think. I know budget and finance does meet on the 14th, but I can talk with Mariana on that to see if she has to have that go through. I ain't sure that that has to go through there.

I think there's funds there for that already.

Okay, next thing on the list is 6C, the update on the Coffey County Library in Manchester, the inside and the roof repair. Rick, I'm going to let you speak a while so I don't shut up.

Alright, so as of April 24th, the roof has been repaired and fixed and of course we had a couple really good rains over the last couple weeks. So since the 24th, we've been able to check it a couple times after very significant rain and we had no water, no leaks. So April 5th we covered up and replaced all the sheetrock from the holes that we had made so we could actually get up in the roof and look and see to make sure there was no water getting in the building. So those repairs have been done. I now have ServPro scheduled to start Monday. to do the actual mold remediation so we're hoping they said they should be able to have it completely remediated within three to four days so after that i'm sure there's going to be a little bit of time of we got put some shelves back up we got a few other little repairs we got to do but very minor so after that hopefully we'll be able to turn it back over to the library and they can

After the remediation, are they going to be a test done that will give us basically a clean bill of health?

So what I would propose, and I was going to talk about it in mine, is that we go back even after Serpro is done with theirs. Of course, they test it. But I feel like we should get the same company that did the original test because they're a third party. They have no ties to the repairs. So they're going to be, you know, a good way to make sure that everything is done the right way. Now, every company that we brought in, they got a copy of this inspection and recommendations. So they all, everybody knew what needed to be done and they all signed off on that. So I feel like everything will be fine, but I feel like to just kind of protect us that we should also get

this third party to come back in after everything is done and give us the clear and that would be something that you guys would probably have to vote on and just approve i'd agree that i think that would be a good idea to have the same company that did the initial test that way yeah they've got the baseline basically so then they can and they and they're the ones that made all the recommendations on right on their mediation so what improvements have happened and that way they can have the Same thing. Are you making that a motion? I'll make it a motion.

We have a motion to have the original testing firm come back in after we get everything cleaned and tested once, and then get them to come back in and do it, because they are not affiliated with anything, so.

I'll second Mr. Watkins' motion.

We have a second. Any discussion? All in favor say aye. Aye. Motion approved. Rick, I'm going to suggest you get a hold of them and let them know. Yeah, I will.

Once our probe actually starts, I will be contacting them. Okay. So on that, I just want to make like just a – I guess just a statement about the library because there's a lot of misinformation going on about this library being completely infected with mold. Okay, so I'm just going to read this little segment of this report because I'm not too sure everybody has maybe read it or they know exactly what's going on. So it says, the lab shows relatively low levels of mold spores in the indoor air samples, less than the exterior comparison sample, and well below levels commonly found indoors. So I know there's a lot of statements being made that this library is completely infested with mold. I just want to put this out there that it is definitely not infested with mold. Although there was a relatively low spore count in the interior air samples, a zero tolerance mold was identified in the main lobby sample. So basically what they did, and I spoke with the company, they... took the air duct off in the main lobby and they swab sampled inside the actual air duct and they found one zero tolerance mold spore. And that is basically what caused us to have a, what they would consider an elevated mold spore count. So yes, it's a problem and we've identified it and we're gonna get it fixed, but I just want everybody to know that this library is not completely overrun with mold. That's my statement.

And that's all I have on the library. Thank you. I know all the water damage has been fixed. It's been fixed for a pretty good while now. We've gotten all the... We've checked this roof again. Had to have it worked on several times because the storm hit it while we were working on it. So, yeah, it's been an ordeal for sure. But I think we got it where it's... I will say halfway sealed up where it's not leaking anymore. And the reason why I say that is because we're gonna have to at some point have another roof put on that building.

And I do have some information about that. Okay. That we can talk about after.

And we'll do that on the next section of your report. So does anybody got anything else on the library? You wanna ask a question, ask the question now. Nothing else? Okay, let's move on to new business. So to give you an update on when we're gonna open it, it's gonna be as soon as we can.

As soon as we get it cleared.

It ain't like we haven't been working on it. All right, so let's go on to new business then. Rick, I'm gonna go ahead and turn it back over to you, because you're A.

Just a quick update on the old courthouse project the remodel everything with that has been done. They're working Today and tomorrow to try to get the museums set back up They will be having an open house Saturday. So anybody that wants to go check out the new remodel turned out Really really good New walls, new flooring, all new paint. New ceiling, it looked really, really good. New lighting, it turned out really good. And of course, now they're working on getting all their exhibits up in the next couple of days. And so I definitely encourage everybody to go out there and take a look at it. It turned out really good. Back to the library situation, I do have, of course, me and Terry, we have walked this roof multiple times over the last month or so. When they came to do an inspection, they removed a bunch of panels. I don't have any pictures of that printed out, but there was a lot of rotten wood, a lot of just damage underneath the panels, and of course, going back to the original roof. It just was done wrong. We've already talked about that. Terry's kind of spoken about that. So me and Terry talked about getting a new roof. So I do have a budgetary proposal for a new roof, and basically this would be the same process that we've been doing with the Justice Center and CCAP, where through state contract we'd have three companies come in, bid it, We'd get the product from the same company, so there'd be a, I think this one's a 20-year warranty. Yeah, a 20-year warranty, and it would be under the same warranty as the sheriff's apartment roof, maintenance roof, the justice center, CCAP, senior citizens, all be under the same, you know, under the same.

And so I'll just pass this one by.

And this is just a budgetary number, and this is basically to take off the old roof redo all the decking, put on a new roof, new fascia, gutters, the whole thing. And one thing I would like to bring up is so when we budgeted for the Justice Center, we had a budget of about $2 million for the Justice Center. Using the process that we did with bringing, working as our own subcontractor and bringing in the contractors to come in through the network, we saved about I'm going to say it hasn't been done yet. So we've said about $500,000 or $600,000 on that job, doing it that way. The bid actually came in around $1.4 million, which was about $600,000 less than what was budgeted. A couple of the other contractors, that's the number that they were around, but we were able to work. We were able to find somebody under the contractor network that would do it for about $1.4 million. Of course, there's got to be maybe some contingency in case something happens, but we should be around that number. So with that being said, you can kind of see the difference there where maybe we could use some of that money to flow towards putting a new roof on this library. Just something to think about.

Can I jump in? Go ahead. Let me give you an update on why this is going to have to be done and why we're at where we're at. That roof that's on there right now was put on in 2010 by a contractor. It's a local. I think they're local.

I'm not sure. Kind of local. You're talking about the one that's on there now?

Yes. They put a material on there that should have never been put on that library. It's the resemblance of barn tin. It's not 26 gauge, it's 29, which is thinner.

So, yeah, if you want to see an example.

It should have been a ribbed panel, which would have been a higher ribbed panel, an inch and a half high or an inch and five eighths high, which is a PBR panel, which is for a commercial building. That is not, the panel on there is not not for a commercial. It's for what people put on your barns. I call it barn tin because I won't put it on a commercial building. It's barn tin. It's made to leak. You cannot seal the seams. You can't put mastic on it correctly to stop it from leaking. And the screws are backing out of that whole, just about the whole entire roof on this thing because It's made to do exactly what it's doing, and that's leak. It's almost leaked ever since it's been put on. It's been patched so many times right now. We're gonna probably wind up replacing almost the three quarters of the plywood that's underneath the roof right now, aren't we?

They're going to probably replace it all. That's in the bid is to replace it all. Because the screws are backing up, so water's penetrating. We'll get the money back.

I saw when it took the panels off. There's not going to be any seals under the bottom edges of it. So all it's doing is pulling up and down, and it's made the holes bigger, and water's penetrated into the wood, and now all the plywood that's up there has been ruined. over time and that's why we're having a problem with keeping it dry and so uh the fix that we've got right now is is working uh how long that's going to work we can't tell you that uh they're you know they they tried to say that i mean they can't they won't guarantee anything but they said it won't last longer than a year yeah so i told you we're going to try to get something moving on this as soon as we can so um that's where we're at folks i mean i hate it this administration and this committee is we inherited almost every building that the county owns we've inherited a bad roof on every you think about We have spent a lot of money on repairing the roofs on our building, but I would have to say the money that we have spent so far has been spent very well, as much as I hate it, but it's part of it. We cannot let our buildings fall apart. We cannot get back to the situation where we have any type of mold in a library that the public is walking in and out of. We can't have, The same thing at the Justice Center and the county jail facility. I mean, we have done, we've had to spend a lot, you know, we've talked about this, we've spent a lot of money on roofs. But this happens to be one that we're gonna, that Rick and I have, We have nickled and dimed people on getting the other roofs, so we are saving money on some of them so we can possibly get this taken care of. That's what I'm looking for. But we're gonna have to really look at it, and if y'all wanna think about it another month, that's fine too, because right now we have a little time to think about it. But we're gonna have to pursue it and make sure we get this problem fixed. Because that roof that's on there is not, if you'll go look, you can go look at it right now today. Just where they enter the building, you can still back off the building, and you can see what the metal is, and it's already up a little bit on that side. Our issue has always been the Jiffy Burger side. That's where all of our major storms come from. Anything that's really bad, blowing wind style, is coming from the Jiffy Burger side. This panel does not have any type of seal between the wood deck or the roof panel, correct? So wind blows up under it, the rain's blowing up under it, gets the wood wet. Once the wood gets wet long enough, it's separating, which the screws will pull out, and that's what's going on. And the panels are that short from the edge of the wood. They were an inch and a half overhang, which should have been done at least. So there's where we're at. And that's why we are trying to head off with this right here, getting folks for it. So yeah, there we are.

So with the moisture and the heat up there, this plywood's just dry-rodding pretty much. It's disintegrating.

It's coming apart. rick correct me if i'm wrong did you talk to him when we were doing this about us getting rid of that okay so everybody knows that there used to be a skylight in the front section there that's null and void it's gone basically we want to get rid of that off the roof whenever we do this and get a regular roof line because all that is is a leak looking for a place to happen the way around it so to stop that we want to get rid of that take it out and just because it's gonna be some minor repair inside it'll be a little framework to reframe it to make it match up with the rest of the roof and we think that's what needs to be done and that'll help us not have any more leaks on that building so that's why we are where we're at right now so there you go you got a little bit of history on it I think I would like for y'all to take this, the information that you have, look over it, and let's talk about this next meeting. If we want to decide to do something then, we can do something then. Everybody good with that? Okay. All right, let's move on then. Rick, you got any more? That's all I got. Okay, let's talk a discussion about the new Justice Center. I told the mayor that I would talk to you all about this. Everybody knows that the location of a Justice Center, we are not going to buy land that we already own. We have land right now that was out in front of The jail that we have right now, there's a wooded area out there. I'm getting with St. John Engineering to see how much of that property we possibly can use and what size building we can use also there. I am not worried about square footage. I can go up just as easy as I can go out. So I'm not worried about it all being on one level. A lot of people like it to be on one level, but I am not worried about that. If it takes me three levels to have enough courtrooms for our court system, then so be it. If it takes two levels, then so be it.

But I would love it all to be on one ground level, but it's not necessarily, it has to be.

It's not right now. I don't know that we've ever had a courthouse that's just been on the ground level.

A courthouse on the square.

Exactly. I'm not worried about whether we have a two-story, three-story. That doesn't matter. I want to make sure that we have enough room there to be able to, one, park. Two, is to be able to have enough courtrooms for all of the judges that we have. The rest of the facilities is pretty well for the court clerks and everything. So we are gonna be discussing that one also next more a little bit. I just wanted to bring it up to you now so you can kind of start thinking about it. But we have the property, Because right now, I've talked with the mayor, and I just don't see us getting that property out there right now on Highway 55 going to Tullahoma. I just don't see it. Our courtrooms have got to be inside the city limits, basically. Because that's where the... They have to be inside. Manchester has to be. Because it's the seat of justice.

County seat is also the seat of justice. Circuit court has to be inside the Manchester.

If you want a good example of how that works, go to Dixon County. There's Dixon, the city of Dixon, and then there's a little town called Charlotte in Dixon County. and you can see how that's all played out. The jail's in Charlotte, courthouse is in Charlotte, and there's nothing else in Charlotte but that. Because of that. And Dixon has about a population of 25,000.

Well, that's where we're at, so we'll be discussing that some more as soon as I get some information from St. John Engineering, but I am looking at that right now. I did look at some of the old drawings, and I have some of the site drawings, but I wanna get with Scott, well you have the hill uh you know when you first come in come in

where the mound is yeah where the mound is you've got that we have but where they had the proposal was as you follow the driveway in and go into the parking lot the employee parking's to the left basically if you're looking at the front of the building there's a already cleared out flat spot of grass they had it proposed to be there and then cutting a which made no sense, but they had it to be cutting a tunnel, not a tunnel, but a hallway, a secure hallway. That literally tied them together, but it was gonna traverse the driveway that leads into employee parking, ultimately cutting all that away.

So. That would have to be annexed into the city, it's not in the city now, right? I don't know if we're in the city or not.

To be honest, I think we are in the county. So, yes, we would have to annex by name only. Because, of course, they don't get taxes or nothing, so it would be by name only. But, yes.

All right, well, that's where we're at so far on that. So I just wanted to let everybody have a quick update on that.

What's the cost going to be on that? Any idea? Where's the money going to come from?

No, that one, that's where we're just beginning to start.

We don't have money to do what we need to do now.

Well, don't know.

Pay me now or pay me later.

Yep. And then build it with wetlands. I don't know if the hills are wetland, but back in the back is, isn't it?

There's chunks out there, but there's ways around that through the wetland bank that you can do. It's the same thing we did when we built the jail because there was a chunk under it that we had to relocate.

Is there enough room there in that place to do it? Is there enough space?

Yeah. I mean, theoretically, yes. I mean, you would have to do away in wetland bank, do a wetland bank for all of that.

The advantage of it being there is being beside the jail.

The advantage is to go back the way we did before to where we literally, if you can hook it, there's a way to hook the jail. to it as far as to move the inmates securely without doing it. There's a way to do that without doing away with that parking. You would have to kind of move that parking a little bit. But yeah, there's a way you can hook that jail to it and get back to the way we did it before to where we just walk inmates down the hallway.

That's the pro of it. The con of it would be it's a bad location for the rest of the county, especially for Tallahoma.

it was a bad location to begin with the jail was a bad location terrible it shouldn't have never been there no because at the time of the sale we'd already had that land out there if they wouldn't have rushed and bought that land out there and went ahead and purchased it the same day they had the meeting that we could have went out there and got that hundred and something acres.

It makes it difficult for a city of 22,000 people to have to come. All the twists and turns and traffic lights just did the cold.

It does. What about the old jail? What about it?

Tear it down, build a courthouse there?

Then where are you going to put all the folks that are there? while you're constructing.

I don't think I can get him to work in a tent. I can't get him to work in a tent. How many people's in there?

You've got a whole court system. You've got three courtrooms, the whole clerk's office, youth services, probation.

The actual jail. What about it? What about it? Built at the courthouse there.

That's what he's talking about. Oh, you're talking about where the jail is.

Yeah. Yeah, it drops off the hill pretty quick too.

Yeah, you've got a big hill there. Cut it and make a bay. Well, there is kind of a basement already in that building. Already.

Yeah, if you want to go there.

I'd look at all costs. This is going to come down. We're going to have to pay the price for a bad decision a long time ago.

You are.

Hey, we have been in there.

Look, we've been doing that now for a while. Our group is paying for bad decisions that were made before our time, and that's the bad part of it. Because the price of stuff back then is not the price of stuff now. So you're not just paying for the mistake. You're paying plus interest and a lot of it. Because we could have built a third pod. They could have laid the groundwork for the third pod at the jail back then when it first opened before it ever put an inmate in there for a million dollars. I wouldn't even want to guess what the foundation for that is going to cost if we had to do it today. It ain't going to be a million dollars to do pour the footers and everything and just have it ready because we already had the concrete. All the concrete was all bidded out, everything. And they literally came to the administration and said, hey, we've got enough that we can go ahead and do this for a million dollars. And that way, later on, all you had to do, because all of those cells were preformed at other location and trucked in here on flatbed and put in like Legos. They said, we can put the foundation in, have everything stubbed out, cap it off, and then all you've got to do later is order the cells and do it, and you're done. Nope. It ain't going to cost a million dollars today. I'd even guess it'd be five just for the foundation. Because that whole jail was built under $20 million back then, just, what, 10 years ago.

Was it 10 years old? More than 10 years old. Huh? It's older than 10 years.

It was open in 14. Technically, we took possession in 14, I believe is what it was. I think it was 14. And then we moved in in 15. So already 10.

Well, we'll start thinking about it and we'll be getting a hold of Aaron and St. John, I'm pretty sure on it. See what we do. Okay, let's go ahead and go to the new business on 7C, which is discussion on permission for a prayer group to meet there on August the 3rd through the 7th. And Mr. Hollingsworth, you're up, sir.

Yeah, a lady, she approached me wanting to inquire about us giving her permission. I don't know, did somebody have to come before this committee to get permission to assemble? I don't think so, but she was courteous enough to ask. I told her I'd run it by the committee to see. They just want to have a small prayer group up there for praying for the school year, kids will be safe, kids getting back to school, so... I told her I'd run it by the committee and see if it'd get a favorable recommendation to do that. And then she wants to do it the first week of August, which would be Monday through Friday. She'd give us some clearance on the rain, something to reschedule. And I can tell her that, you know, bathrooms are under construction, the courthouse is under construction, that bathrooms won't be available. So I'll just tell her, be frank with her and tell her up front, so.

That's huge motion to approve.

I have a motion to approve it. Let them use it for approval.

With the understanding that she does understand it. Maybe. Maybe. Maybe under construction.

Just leave it open.

If the doors are locked, then that means they're under construction.

Tell her don't count on the bathroom. We are going to have to tell people when they come and ask for permission to use the courthouse lawn for these type of meetings. They're going to have to know that the bathrooms are not available all the time. And they may not be available when they want them. So if they think they're going to have a big crowd up there and they want to have bathrooms, then they might want to think about the importance of it.

I think, too, Terry, I think they need to stipulate. If they just want to use the lawn to assemble is one thing. If they need the whole facility, I think we just need to make them clarify that if they do that, that way we'll know and know to either have Rick open it up for us or somebody to run up there and open it up or not.

I think basically they just wanted to have it in front of the fountain right there. Yeah, that's fine. That's fine. Yeah.

Motion to approve.

We've got a motion to approve. Mr. Watkins, has it been seconded? Not yet.

Who did? Mr. Brown seconded it. Thank you.

Any more discussion? I have a question about the old courthouse.

So the upstairs courtroom obviously hasn't been being used for a while. My question is, is it ever going to be used again? And if not, what are we going to do with the upstairs? So I guess the biggest question is, so like right now, one of my employees cleans up there. But it was under the understanding is because they were using it for the courtroom. So it's kind of part of us keeping the courtrooms cleaned and the court thing. If we're not going to use it for a courtroom, then what are we going to do with it upstairs?

I think they are still going to use it, but as literally a last resort from what I understand. Because they're doing civil stuff over here. Yeah, that's what I just didn't know. But I think if they happen to need it for a criminal trial, they may use it. But the big thing, the reason why, is it's not ADA compliant.

Yeah, I understand why they wouldn't use it. I just want to, I mean, if it needs to still be used, that's fine. I totally understand. I'm just curious as to what we're going to do with it. Because we just need to make sure that it's cleaned, functioning. But if we're not going to use it, I don't want to.

How is she cleaning right now?

Well, they just opened back up. I mean, she's been in there all week trying to get ready for the thing. But, I mean, usually it's at least once or twice a week she goes over there.

Up top, upstairs?

Yeah, when it was open, we had somebody there cleaning everything, all of it, bathrooms, hallways, courtrooms.

I'll tell you something would be neat to do, but it would run into – The compliance thing. We need to have commission meetings up there like they used to do. They did that for years. They had commission meetings.

County court. That's what it was called.

The old county commission used to be up there all since 1835. But I guess now you couldn't do it because of the bathroom situation and the stairs.

You'd have to have an elevator and a new bathroom.

I was just curious. I've been asked a couple times about what's going on with Parasites. If anybody has any idea.

I think it'd be something we'd need to reach out to the judges and see if they even plan on even using it as last resort.

I didn't even know if it fell under this committee or if it fell under

judges are kind of technically I guess it does fall under us does we say no then I mean it's kind of one of those I guess it now we said it wasn't but I think we also also also left it up to the judges that if they want to use it they can use it I mean back in the day judge Rollins would just If there was somebody that needed and they couldn't do the stairs, he would just, one of the officers down there, he would do a break and go down there and take care of the case and then come back up and reconvene court up there.

It said the original county commissioners laid off the square up there. They were surveyors, I think. Three of them were surveyors. They laid the square off, laid the courthouse off, did all that. They were just jacks of all trades. I can take a survey. He has a different rubber stamp.

Okay, anything else? Oh, we need to vote for this, don't we?

Yeah, we ain't voted yet.

Yeah, correct. Any more discussion on it? All in favor say aye. Aye. All right. Motion approved. Okay, the next thing is on is June the 4th for our next meeting.

Two weeks before ballroom.

Is everybody good with June the 4th? Mm-hmm.

Four o'clock. It's the week of the 15th.

And hopefully I'll have some kind of information about the Justice Center property or whatever. So we can see if we can do anything or what we can do. Okay. And I need a motion to adjourn. Motion to adjourn. Second. Motion to adjourn. Second. Any other discussion? Everybody say aye. Aye. Motion approved. We are done. Thank you all very much.