City Council - Regular Meeting

We were all brave and hard to get home. Now just kind of getting back into the sort of things we had worked out where I think Brigham City only had to cover one shift and Perry covered one shift.

And our guys that did go covered everything else. So that was really good.

And I am back to part-time. so all of this media yeah all all all all all all all

Mr. Carl can report for us. They haven't started the fence, though. Drove by this morning on my way to Salt Lake. That fence is coming. So Carl, would you like to report on you?

I'm sure. I need to come up by a microphone.

Okay, we got secondary water up and running. We have, we're installing secondary there at Holmgren East. Isn't that underway? Yes, we are. As Christie said, the second equalization basin, it's pretty near complete. We still have to install a gate and a fence and then we'll fill it with water and we'll start working our magic so that's good um this is actually big this is really for all the people that have put up with the prolonged construction on rocket road we were waiting for three poles and those utilities to get moved they've finally been moved so i was hoping that that project would be done by the end of May, it won't be, but it will just spill over into June a little bit. And that'll be good. And I would like to say it's good foresight that the city has these generators everywhere. Yes, it is. The treatment plant, it actually is a really big problem for them when their system, because the water keeps coming, but the computers have got to tell how to operate and what to do and what's happening. So anytime there's a power bump over there, they have to reset everything. So do you have a generator? We've got two generators there. And we have one generator that operates our other.

So do they have to go there to reset stuff?

This kicks on after 10 seconds, just like this one did. So that's really awesome.

That's getting better. It's getting a lot better. We have plenty of oxygen now. We're just dealing with the increased amount of turbulence that's in that upper basin up there when we put those two

in there it churns up the water a lot so we get lots of oxygen but it also impacts settling which doesn't sound like it would be a problem but it's you need it to settle just perfectly so that you get all the fine articles out so we're not getting as much fines out so we're working on it though on smells better that's all we seem to care about so good things thank you thank you

every night about 8 30. and then christine will win at their turn they will be reporting um no sense repeating yeah we're on the agent well we'll be doing an update on the main street committee soon we'll probably get that on the agenda they've had a couple meetings i've seen some some movement it's really exciting let's take a place down there so And as we talk about connection, I'll be bringing that back because it's really a key part of connecting our community together. So I'll be talking more about that. Zach, do you want to do a quick Parks and Rec? Do you want me to high level it or go for it? No, you're better. It's also important, right?

We've got some projects underway. At the library, the stage has been framed for the storage, and we're just waiting on the site to come in. We can get that finished.

The parking lot will be sealed on Wednesday, next Wednesday.

So we'll get a notice out that the park will be closed down for that. That you need to be closed? Yeah, yep, so next Wednesday. So we'll get that notice out tomorrow. I think that's going out, so. Yeah, so we'll start putting notes on the ones that stay overnight so that they know that they're not banned. Yep, so the reconstruction of the back portions of the trail have been completed. That finished up today. So yesterday was the point of this schedule, but it was too cold for the asphalt. So they got that done today. We have some events coming up for America 250 and for Memorial Day, the Coastal Rock. working with the American Legion on that. So we also see, for Memorial Day, we put names of people that start families out. Typically, it's been in the square, so we'll be working on picking those up. This week, also, for Memorial Day. And then this flash pad usually opens up. So we're working on getting that prepped. We have some paint that we want to retain it. Hopefully, we'll get it all done. Yeah, so several of the department heads and myself have gone over and made some revisions to the master plan with Parks and Rec, trails, open space, and that's the plan. So that's coming very soon. So I think we'll get it to these guys so they can take it to the... You talking about the general plan? No, the Parks and Rec's master plan.

Yeah, to the land guy and the water board. By market design?

No, the commission. Oh, any commission. I have land in my head. It's not landing anywhere. It's okay. Yeah, so we'll have to go to the planning commission and they'll find it there, approval, and then it'll come to you guys for approval.

Okay.

So hopefully that'll be within the next, all done within the next month, I'm assuming.

And then it does get a new comprehensive plan. Yeah, yeah.

And update, huh?

I just have to highlight how much you guys do with the limited resources you have. Thank you.

Pretty cool. Tell me about the vandalism in the bathrooms, though. Is that happening all the time?

Yeah, a lot of our budget goes to toilet paper. Yeah, because they try to start it on fire. They do. They've tried to start several over the years. I mean, they just grab a whole lot of toilet paper and rip it off most of the time. Sometimes, it's only happened, it's probably happened four times since I've been here that they've tried to set... And one was just last week at the North Park.

I went in there like right after because it still smelled smoky. Yeah, so... to do a lot of that stuff.

Well, what we're not doing. A lot of times, there's graffiti and stuff. But toilet papers, we don't need anymore of those. Right.

So do you lock the doors at night?

We do not.

But this was during the day when this one happened. It was during the day.

Do we know who it was?

I don't know.

I don't know. So we can look at the video camera and see, but we don't know exactly when. Yeah, because I went in there late.

When we were down at that conference, a guy was showing some of these really high industrial locks that go on bathrooms that have timers on them to lock them. That's something to think about. They weren't that pricey.

Yeah, they have to have a Wi-Fi. I'm working on getting the Wi-Fi and the security cameras on Midland Square. They already have the handles that'll work for that. Then we just need to switch the latches. And then the latches will be able to be security latches where we can lock it at 10 p.m. and have them open at 5 a.m., something like that. But then if someone's in there, they can still get out. They just can't get back to it. So that's what we want to move towards. All our other parts don't have the handles that work with those, so we have to replace all the doors to get them to those. I think the trailhead's the only other one with the handle that works. So it would be a project to get them done, but that is the goal, that we get money for it. Trailheads, you can connect them to the highway. I'd like to get them so I can do them all at the same time, so they're not pieced together.

your job thanks jeff you're up that's easy i'm glad you walked in i would have had to make something that's all right oh we're doing good um and we've got uh we hired two more firefighters to replace the one that left and so we're hopefully staff just getting trained and in the mix of things and so we hired two part-timers as well and sort of same thing same boat or just didn't change and they just went through their initial training now they're starting to work pick up shifts so hopefully we'll be able to see a turn and have an overtime and things like that so we've been trying to show those spots since january um it's been pretty difficult but we're on the upside of that so it looks good other than that we're just trying to call and take care of business like normal

to keep things on a confident well how's your officers or your firefighters son is he okay he's normally yeah okay he's actually uh up in the room today talking yeah thank you

And it was kind of unfortunate when it happened over the same weekend.

So yeah, it's been progressing really well and looking a lot better, especially today.

So I think you have no problem. That's pretty much the same thing. Thanks.

OK, the library, they're having their big thing. It's the 29th, right? And we're supposed to go to . OK, from 4 to 7. OK.

Just a little reminder of that.

And then that's our kickoff summer programs, too, with the kids and the adults and teens, and I think that's a good thing. And then she had some other activity they were doing. Anyway, the food pantry said they're doing great. Their food right now is, they have a good supply of food right now. I asked her last month how many people, how many families, and she said they served 170 families last month.

So that's pretty good.

That's going to take a few more weeks. We've got a discussion on which date it actually is.

On which date? What?

For the hot dogs.

The library.

Is it the 29th?

Is it the 29th? Is that Friday?

I show 29th.

Okay. 29th. Okay.

29th at 4 p.m. 4 p.m. Thank you. 4 to 7 p.m.

Okay.

Okay. Clarence, now's the time to talk about your law. We have a little news from your bureau.

so i had a bunch of calls and questions about uh some of these homes for and i don't know how to what to call them and then the one the one that the one is the new if the one ends on 70s And I just didn't know the rule. I think we ought to make sure they get licenses and rules close to the school.

Is there a problem?

Is there any?

Jeremy, okay, right here. Jeremy and I were talking about this today, too, and we've read over these. They have to be licensed, and there's differences on the different types of licenses. There's like a major and a minor. type of group home and they have to be an upcoming like business correct jeremy yes come take a seat asking about the group because they have to be licensed through the state too right yes yes yes and then yes and then

There's two codes right next to each other. There's residential facilities for elderly persons and residential facilities for persons with a disability. And they're similar. And how they're laid out with the principle is that standards come from FHA, the Fair Housing Act. And so that's where the permanent comes in. And then they have their own specific list of requirements from the state regarding personnel on site, building standards just for group homes.

other things like that and so a little bit of a preview for our actual item on tonight is that's something we should come into compliance with and have co-standards that reflect the state standards as our as our code reads it talks about that they can more than five the amount of people in the home makes a difference on what they can do or not but no more than five persons shall be established or maintained within 600 feet and measured in straight line to the the following things another residential um like uh housing ever so you can have two of them within 300 feet but it doesn't say anything about schools no it doesn't it doesn't say that i remember when i was younger and they put one in that year there was actually a public hearing

Is that something else? I thought we had a resolution that was going to come across. I should remember attending that.

It was a resolution a couple months ago that I thought also addressed the Fair Housing Act and took care of all of those things, but we basically made it to where an income coupon could be a certain distance from an elementary school.

And then the council would have to approve.

And you brought that even better resolution? I did not.

I just think we gotta make sure that somebody just isn't doing it. And haven't said anything. They need to come up front and say no and not have a- Grandfather. Right, right. Grandfather.

i know a lot of parents i'm glad you brought that up a lot of parents are concerned that their children they feel like if it is a group home they're going to be paraded twice a day past that what are their safety concerns parents are a little bit of and i would i would be if i was here you know if that's what it is i would be the first one to say no it's it's on uh 700 more than 200

The issue that we deal with is we can't discriminate, and group homes usually fall under the title of persons with disabilities. And so there has to be, it cannot conflict with state code on that. So that's something we'll have to take into your research. Will you get us that resolution again? And then we have to run that by Dalton, and then have to make sure we check it with the state code that we're not, the cities can't be something that the state code prohibited.

And let's get Greg to go over and talk to them and let's make sure that everything is in order.

According to the neighbors, they are actively operating. So we're all on the same page.

I'll read from 1.19.055 of the code under C and then subsection C says residential facilities,

that are substance abuse facilities and within 500 feet of a school shall provide, one, a security plan satisfactory for local law enforcement, two, 24-hour supervision for residents, and three, other 24-hour security measures.

So that's when we give that, that we would have to, if they haven't done that, then they're not compliant with our codes there.

Well, they can't do that. and operating in that business, correct?

So could we get someone on there? That would be great. So Greg, can you drag and make sure that gets done?

Yeah.

Sure. Greg is part of here. By the way, I forgot to mention that

We are, I talked with Michelle today, and we are trying to get permissions to see more of the sales tax data that we are allowed to see so that we can do audits on sales tax leakage. So that is underway and we're still working on that. But things like that where there's a business permit, which means there's revenue at some level that the city is missing out on. So we're gonna make sure that we're not missing all sorts of stuff.

Yeah, that's another part of what they're

And then Jamie would have access to every bit of the data. She would, she can get it. Okay, great.

And Michelle has a conference, so whatever you don't have, we can close that loop. So let's talk, make a game plan here.

Cool.

Okay, I have one more thing too. I know it's a perfect discussion and stuff, but I felt like, that when, I mean, if we tabled the city council wages stuff, I just wouldn't get used to the same thing as it is now. It's not that big of a difference in, you know, that's one of the incentives to be on the city council, one of the perks, I guess. That was a perk. But I don't feel like that needs to be changed.

So that's just my concern. Jamie did some research, or we did some research on that. Do you want to tell them what you found?

Please. So just a quick shoot from the head, right?

So to make the change that was suggested, it would probably be an additional $80,000.

Oh, really? In other words, if we were to go to what I was proposing we do, it would have cost us $80,000 more.

Oh, and what were you proposing?

to do a stipend that's equal with everyone and all that, but as we've done the research, I think we're fine where we're at.

Okay.

So, in the conclusion you came up to.

Yeah. Okay.

So, I totally agree.

I mean, we talked about it a lot. Yeah. So.

And there's not a huge variance between each one of you. There's really not. So anyway, some misinformation, but I was excited to see what we got out of that. So thanks for bringing that up.

So I think what we'll do is we'll just, there's no reason to add that budget because we're just going to add $80,000 to the bottom line.

Let's just pull it back, keep it where it's at, keep an eye on it for a year and see where we are next year. It was a good suggestion, but yeah. Okay. I'll pick a more conservative plan.

It's up to you. Well, I just want to do my part. I can't ask the heads to cut budget and not be,

All right, let's take a few minutes, and we've got Josh Thompson here that's going to talk to us about CAPSA.

Thank you. Thanks for having me. It's good to meet all of you. I've got one that I hand out for the rail council. Again, thanks for letting me come. I do want to introduce myself. Brent, I don't know if you remember, we met at the Police and Citizens Academy. He taught me how to investigate him. Suspecting one of our cases. But I'm from Providence, over in Cache County. I do love this side of the hill quite a bit. I enjoy coming over for waterfowl in the colder weather, and I've got some family down in Elwood. Been with CAPSA for just over a year now. Wanted to come introduce myself, talk about some of the things that we're doing in your neighborhood. We're building in Garland, so not in your city, not working two things there, but we will absolutely be serving residents of Tremont. Wanted to just pop through some of that and go through the history and answer questions that any of y'all have. Wanted to let you know too, right up front, right now, CAPSA serves, it is in Logan, Utah. But we are not, we don't define boundaries for survivors of sexual assault or domestic violence. One of the reasons why we're building actually is because last year, 10% of our clients actually came from outside of Cache County. So we started to extend up into Franklin County, Idaho. And then in 2024, the scouts, John Eric and Jennifer Scout, donated a piece of land that's behind there behind their doctor's office, so let me directly know if they're here. We wouldn't have accepted that gift if we didn't think at some point we would end up doing some bail leaving. The reason why we moved forward with it is we saw the numbers, we saw the increases of cases that we're receiving without doing any real outreach or anything. People were still coming clear to Logan, and we said, okay, we've got to put the services closer. Lots of times when you hear about these domestic violence calls, the question that comes up, it's a question that can and should be asked, why don't people leave sometimes? One of the reasons is because they have nowhere to go. Housing is a challenge for everybody. I'm sure you all have all sorts of fun with managing housing issues. We actually are going to be starting with doing some housing over there. That's where we got a lot of funding from the state. Last year we applied, there was some funding that was available, about three and a half million dollars that we applied for and were awarded to help us build a couple of fourplexes over there to provide transitional housing. What transitional housing is is really is somewhere where a survivor can go and it's a home for them where they're able to spend up to two years as they rebuild. Sometimes it's rebuilding credit, increasing their education, increasing their employment opportunities. But it's something that helps them get stable and independent so they can move on. So I included a site map of what it will look like. Just a real general idea. So what we, with other donors and things that have come in, we're at a point where we feel like we can build out five fourplexes, have some office space there, and for long term, We probably won't be opening or operating this for four or five years, but having a shelter there as needed. We are doing what we can to make sure that we're building the right partnerships as well. That's a big reason why I, when I saw the opportunity to participate in the Citizens Academy here, I jumped on that. We have an advisory board that's made up of citizens from northern Box Hiller County. We're also making sure that we're coordinating and collaborating with New Hope down in Brigham City.

This is not a competition.

We're not a business. We really want to put access to resources for survivors where it's best. So if it's best for them to go to Brigham City, awesome. If it's best for them to go to Logan right now, awesome. Let's get services right here in Northern Boxella County to put it close and they can So that's a big reason why we're coming through this way. So that's where we're at. That's why we're doing it. On the page two, it does show a list of a lot of the services that we provide. We try to have wraparound services. And what that means is start and finish where we're trying not to have to refer out to any other agencies for domestic violence services specifically. If you need case work, like you're trying to figure out how to make a safety plan and maybe how to leave an unsafe situation, we can help with that. If you need therapy, we've got therapy. Well, obviously, we have our shelter that's over in Logan. We are in the schools in Logan and Cache school districts. So every middle schooler and high schooler in their health classes hear from CAPS about healthy relationships. We're trying to do preventive work. trying to tell them things that, you know, if you're 30 or 40 and you look back, like, yep, could have seen those red flags. But if you're 15, 16, 17, that's a little bit harder to see. So we're teaching some of those things to help stop abuse before it even happens. But yeah, I've talked a lot. I've got a couple of other invitations, but I'd love to... Do you have any training to...

to ecclesiastical leaders? That's something that I think a lot of them are unaware of.

So for ecclesiastical leaders, there's a couple things that we can do. One of the things is just service awareness, knowing that it's an opportunity. And we've had a number of LDS bishops and other clergy come and see what we have, because the services that we offer are all free, and they're all confidential. And so being able to come and tour to be able to see what we have to offer is really helpful to know. You ask about that, and I think about somebody that came on a tour that said, I wish I would have known this was here because they had a sister who was experiencing things.

And it makes sense, right? Like my grandfather recently went into an assisted living home, right? And before we sent him there, 100%, go and check it out.

see what services are gonna be received. You don't wanna send somewhere that you don't know. Send someone you love somewhere that's not safe. So one, coming on tour. Two, we actually do have a curriculum that was just developed and we did partner with the LDS Church on it to be able to teach it in those, in the church setting. And whether that's a weekday activity or I know that on fifth Sunday, sometimes that's a more open time. The Safe Adoles curriculum, was developed so that as adults, we can proactively have conversations with our kids when things are happening. That was developed, we were closer with the hospital, and the hospital there was reporting back to us that they had a lot of kids that came in with suicidal ideations or had made attempts. And when a caseworker would go and discuss with them, they would find out that most of the time, they had good, supportive parents at home.

They had people that they loved them, they were so ashamed and embarrassed about what they felt was maybe their fault, even if it wasn't.

There's so much shame that they didn't feel safe enough to tell their parents, and then it led to suicidal thoughts and things. So they said, hey, how do we help adults know how to have a more proactive conversation? That was probably all I'm gonna maybe look for, but yes.

So on the city website, would this be something we could little note on the new website that's coming out that this is available because a lot of people don't know about this yeah I mean I know that just but if you don't know you don't know right and

That would be good. Yeah, that would be great.

You could do something like that.

What other questions do you all have?

So a couple things. I think you all know Kim Bocut. Her daughter Kenzie just started working for us, and Kim came on a tour recently. So because you know her, I would invite you to talk to her. Also, the Garland... Mayor Austin and the city council, they've all come to see. I invite all of you to come over. We will make time. It's something just different. I think about the time I traveled and saw the 9-11 memorial. I was a junior in high school when that happened. And I was, I don't know how, I was in the late 30s when I went and saw it.

And it's just a completely different feeling going to see something.

And so I will make any time that y'all need to be able to come over and see it. Also, if you're curious, I know Lieutenant Haley has talked to Logan City PD about the relationship with CAPSA, and invited his council members to give them a call. Hugh Simmons would love to talk to you, Assistant Chief Hooley would love to talk to you. That relationship is something that we really need, want to grow, because it's both about public safety, learned a heck of a lot being there in Blisketton, about the different ways that we have to approach it, They're both necessary and that's a partnership that we can make sure is strong. So please, please talk with them. But yeah, left my card in there. So please feel free to reach out and schedule tours. Let us know how we can partner on any events that you have. We're happy to be here. We know that we're moving into the community and we wanna be good neighbors and we wanna be part of the community. That's why we're trying to make sure everybody's involved.

And when will you be up and running again?

Oh, yes. Great question. Thank you for the report. We anticipate late spring or early summer next year. Okay. So right now we're waiting on the Attico Sea Study for sewer over in Garland to be able to get shovels in the dirt. But then we'll be pretty aggressive on moving after that.

Great. Yeah. That's great.

Thank you. Thank you so much for the time.

I normally stick around in the As I indicated, I have a daughter that plays softball.

Thank you so much. Okay. Would you guys be okay if, would the council be okay if we may have to move this strategy discussion to the city council portion? Because of timing, are you guys okay if we divert that at this point? Carl, would you step out there and ask him to come in and talk about the water rates? The next on the agenda is a discussion on water rates with Curtis and with Jamie.

all this is is adding we've made some new positions and so some of those positions technically aren't allowed as of yet to be able to find peos so i'm just cleaning this up and adding like i got rid of the assistant city manager added the finance director position got rid of community development director added building official code administrator emergency manager public works operation manager and zoning administrator to be able to sign peos So that's all I'm changing on this one is just giving them the authority to sign POs. So up to those ones. Yeah, it's technically as of right now, they're not allowed to sign POs.

They're all booked.

Yeah.

Yeah, the department heads should be able to sign the ships and POs. So we're making it official.

Hey, it's your turn.

Pulling together information right up to the last minute.

You found a bunch of money.

Oh, it's only me.

Jamie's been doing an awesome job this time. It's wonderful. So last time you delivered a pretty blunt message. Is this okay?

Yes, sir. I was just wondering why the sound was so good. Mr. Mike, I think you will not be able to hear. Okay, sorry.

Go for it. So we've gone through and analyzed bond covenants. We've analyzed water usage, water rate structure. And one of the hardest parts with water, historically we can have as much as a 15% variance in water revenues. if based off of culinary usage, I'm switching more over to secondary, but if culinary is used for outside and you have a really, really wet fall, so September starts turning rainy, October turns rainy, people don't water as much outside, revenues drop. If you have a wet spring, we've seen sometimes those water revenues will drop. So you kind of have to plan for bond covenants to make sure we anticipate those timeframes. But if you have a year similar to this year, a little bit hotter, drier, people are thinking conservation, you have this mix of revenues. If we have some that are extremely hot and extremely dry, like they were last year, there's a lot of water usage, and so water revenues go way up. So when you're trying to nail this sweet spot to bond compliance, we have to consider What happens if we have a really bad year? What happens if we have? Because if we have a really good year, bond people are excited. If we have a really bad year, they could be like, hey, we've got some bond compliance issues. How are we going to address this? So we're trying to fit this happy medium. There really is kind of a range as a result of that of where we could go. But what we're presenting just for water rates to know This is a rate that we would feel very, very, very confident that regardless of the weather patterns, regardless of what fluctuates with secondary versus culinary use, the equivalent of, and it's gonna be divided up multiple ways, just as a starting point, but an equivalent of an increase to the base amount of culinary of $5 per month. So, That is a shock. And it's really hard, but that's where we would feel very comfortable. Now, if we want to take some of that rate and divide it out between usage, so it's not 100% on base, it adds some variability in there. I mean, if water usage goes down, you could have a little bit of challenges. If water usage stays the same, we're great. So you can structure that into the rates a little bit, but it needs to be the equivalent of about $5.

So the tiers would stay the same?

Under this idea, the tiers would stay the same. Now this is just to get us in compliance with compliance. Now we want, in conjunction with that, our proposal would also include a commitment by the council to analyze impact fees and restudy those. In conjunction with that, you develop the capital facilities plans, what's being added for growth with the impact fees. We'd also want to study out what the repair and replace of the capital projects plan would have an extension with it. So when we came around to next year, we could fine tune this adjustment and see what additional changes may or may not be needed. But we're very confident this would bring us 1890 and that has not been changed for how long since we adopted water rates with the first one and that was in six seven years yeah i think we're way past two it's seven years now someone told me that is there some state code or something that

or that we should be moving that rate up a dollar a year? I mean, I'm seeing that a lot of cities are doing that routinely. They're bringing up that fee, a dollar a year, just automatically. Is that something that is driven by state code or is it just a city thing?

No, there was a lot that went through last year that cities should be reviewing their water rates periodically. I can't remember if that passed or not. Could you follow that one? Carl? I know there was a law that was going through to evaluate water rates, especially if you're going to the water for a loan and stuff like that. The nice part is, and this is what's so exciting right now, is because we now have a full-time finance director, we actually have the ability to monitor and keep more tabs on this because we have a lot more hours committed to the financial area. So we can tap into that expertise that's gonna be here on a more permanent basis. So it's really an exciting time for the council to be able to tap into that, monitor it, and we can look at things and do some projections of what's happening as people switch over from culinary over to secondary because there is some impact there. What adjustments should there be made to, if any, to secondary rates? Another thing, as the city comes, brings more and more areas in the city that are available to the secondary system. The city council could consider how do you encourage the transition over from culinary to secondary? And so do you consider things such as increasing that rate structure for those who have access to the secondary water but haven't connected yet so there's more incentive to switch over? And that, I mean, there's really, A lot of the point of creating the secondary system was to free up culinary usage so that we had more culinary water to satisfy some of the other demands of the city. So another point of discussion, just getting past this one, would be how do we

We do have that culinary rate that's higher if they're not using secondary.

Yeah, and one of the things I tried around was what would that look like if it actually doubled that rate and made it more of a penalty, if you would say. And that's something to be considered. It generates some revenue. Once again, it's this instability of it. which doesn't help as much with the bond compliance to ensure that we comply with the bond permanence. That's really where my biggest concern is. Just a quick question.

Is the secondary and culinary, are they going to be separate as far as everything, money-wise?

No, actually, they're all put into one fund, and we did that on purpose when we were going for the bonds. We considered actually setting up a separate just for the secondary water. But the problem was we couldn't satisfy the bond covenants that were necessary without combining everything. So right now they are all in one fund, all grouped together to help with the bond compliance. I just didn't know if there was some rule that you could use. There's not. And actually, this is a credit to the city. going to consider putting them in the secondary water system. There's a lot of evaluation about how to measure that water and should it be metered. And there was a lot of emphasis on types of meters because they can clog up, certain meters can clog up really fast with secondary water because it's dirty, say what it is. And so there's a lot of consideration and actually designed, it actually found flow meters so we could measure water consumption. We actually were metering And right in that same year when we started doing that, state law came out that said by 2033, I think it is, you have to have all your secondary water metered. And so Tremont is actually ahead of the game of many others when it comes to that. So that's kudos to the leadership of the council. And so we're prepared for that aspect. We won't have to do a whole bunch of meter upgrades. So that's encouraging. But we really do need to make sure we satisfy that bond compliance.

Do we need to do that now, or do we wait for the budget?

Obviously, I'm going to tell you, the sooner the better, just because it helps with bond compliance. It's a fee.

It's a fee.

Can I just say something? I've talked to Carl about this. This is a pet peeve of money. When I see a hose coming out of that secondary water box, I wonder if it's, what do we do if they're not metered?

It's metered. They're metered. Aren't all the secondary water, I mean, that's a metered meter when it's put in.

I cannot hook up to my secondary water without going through the meter. There's no possible way.

Yeah, so you've got, it goes through the meter.

If there was, I might have done it. So it goes through the meter. There is a problem.

there is there is there is a possible way and i know moms that are doing it and it just drives me crazy that we need to get someone over to look at that okay that that actually would fall under your code enforcement is my understanding because but but you could in fairness so you could put a host bib in your box yeah on the other side and if you don't have the money to Now in conjunction with this and in writing line because there's so much concern also about the treatment plan

but also recommend and propose a $1 per month per connection increase for treatment plant. We're trying to, we had a lot of discussion trying to balance this out because this is a pretty big hit. I will openly say, I would like to increase a dollar for the sewer as well. We got some great advice as we were counseling, talking together. We could probably delay that for one year on the sewer collection side of things. It doesn't help us. It puts us a little bit behind, but if the increase is too much, we could probably financially be fine for a year on sewer collection.

I do like your approach and your attitude that let's look at

really good ideas behind that, and then we could make even stronger decisions when we have that data. I like your idea of let's do what we have to do now, get the rest of our data put together, and then make some more decisions again next year. I think that that's, I like that approach.

We felt it was a strategic approach, really trying to minimize the impact to the citizens, but also guarantee that we don't create some sort of problem with the bonds. Yeah, we don't want it. That would be a bad scenario.

That's good. Jamie, what do you think from your experience and your .

Yep, I totally agree.

You guys have been working on this together, have you, Kevin? We have. I mean, we went through multiple scenarios and multiple ideas and trying to balance it out. There is a plan in place that you could do a little bit less, but you start running the risk of that bond compliance if something goes wrong. And I'm a big believer that if something can't go wrong, Murphy just lives.

Just to kind of show how we all work together, Curtis mentioned three reports.

that he wanted to have the council consider in conjunction with the rates. That's what I heard, right? Well, three things. A capital facilities plan, a capital projects plan, and impact fee study. We just got, and I don't know if the council all knows this, but we just got a general plan update grant, and I'm in the process of actually writing what we want to use the money for. And we got $93,000 for that, and I believe we could work the capital facilities plan, because it's a plan, an update into that report and then also a capital projects plan. I don't think we can do the impact fee assessment though. I don't think that the grant will cover that. But I will check into that because it has to do with future growth and it has to do with planning for the future. So if that could help the council with one of those, with those two requests, that would help the finance department too. So I just think it's interesting how the city just all works together. Like we have to overlap with each other. Does that make sense?

We have to be a little bit careful because a lot of times the capital facilities plan is part of developing the impact fee. So they go hand in hand. They can actually use impact fees to pay for. So the capital facilities plan and the impact fee calculation. So the impact fee calculation is based off of the capital facilities plan.

Okay.

So you identify. Now, that's not to say that if you go beyond looking, an impact fee plan is limited to six years. So if your facilities plan goes beyond the six years, then you can come back through and use it because it's only the six years that can be included in the impact fee.

But could we do the capital facilities plan first? Yeah, you have to, you have to. And could that be something that we could work on through the grant and then we give that to you or whoever's going to do the capital, the impact fee assessment?

Yeah, typically, I mean.

Yeah, and I think the other thing we wanted to do is a water rate study, right? Water rates. I don't know if that would qualify for the grant. No, probably not. Let me write it down. I just wanted to make sure that was correct. Thank you. The water rates study. Okay. We talked about getting clarification. So I think, so we've been allowing people to wait, they have a year, right? To come on to secondary water. Yes. We're not sure, but we think maybe we've also been waiting a year to start charging them the higher penalty rate. So is that what the council wants us to be doing, or do they have that year to hook on and they start getting that penalty rate as soon as that year's up? I think they should get that penalty rate as soon as they hook up. So one year and up, too.

Yeah, but I remember when we discussed this, we were very conservative in that appointment. So we gave them a year to get hooked up, and then we waited a year before the penalty We have talked about that.

That's what we've been doing, but we wondered.

How does the secondary outcome process work? You run it to the route book, and then do you go into their box?

We install the box.

But if we have a box, you'll just go to it. Everything outside the box is the homeowner.

Can you come in and sign up for secondary water? Then they put the meter in.

So basically on a home that's existing as sprinklers on culinary water, we come in, install the box there, and then they would have to install the pipeline to get there and backflow prevention. So the culinary and secondary team cross connect.

Unless it's completely separated. So this is a thing, but I had a couple of neighbors ask. Does the city have a list of people that will? No, we can't do that.

When we did ours, we had bids anywhere from, I think, well, that was way back when it started. Our cheapest bid was 800 and it went all the way up to 2500. So I just started calling Places because there's no way out.

Get some entrepreneurs. And that's the point.

Neighborhoods ought to get together and just capitalize on that and just get a whole bunch to do it at once. Yeah. If you get a better rate, it will do the whole vlog.

It sounds like an NPI discussion. Yeah.

Does that need to be a formal action of the council saying, yes, we want to start charging them the penalty rate after a year?

So the penalty rate, like if I don't, I might not put a thing in, but I might not use it. The penalty rate is on the overage, right?

No. If you're using culinary water to water your lawn, when you have the ability to use secondary, then you're on the higher rate.

but but what i'm saying how are they going to know what what if i like we know if you're going to the secondary team right come in and sign up and we know who has secondary or know who has the ability like because we were talking earlier i mean

If I don't use it.

If you're not using the water. So it's on the rate.

Right now, over there, I don't have it. I paid this rate. But once it's available, then I pay it.

Higher rate on use. So instead of paying the higher rate, you pay to put the box in.

And then you can get down to the lower rate.

But it's not automatically a rate. It's on gallon. It's tears.

Tear and rain on use.

plus the ten dollars monthly yeah you will pay the ten dollars a month regardless if you're using a well or not okay so carl well these guys are doing an awesome job and i love what they're doing the only thing i wanted to add was um it's we're almost in a in a really gray problematic area where we've started this secondary but we haven't completed it yet it will significantly unmoving the waters when the whole whole city's on yes you know has have secondary water made available to them and we can price and plan and keep culinary and secondary separate because for example if 10 000 gallons a month is our base amount for indoor use and i you use 110,000 gallons a month in the summertime, I'm really taking the place of 10 other homes that we then weren't able to provide culinary water to. That's kind of the way I see that. So we're getting closer and I think with what we've got in the works and the ideas that these guys have worked on, You know, by next year, I think we could have some really pretty good plans in place to make it more of an economy of scale, too. Like, I look at this. There is an economy of scale. Like, we have roughly 4,400 connections to the culinary right now, and we have water supply, and we're using that 10,000 gallons a month for 11,000. connections, but only if everybody is sticking to that 10,000 a month, right? And so I think the guiding principle for the water should be the natural resources that we have available. We do have more secondary water than we need in culinary, and we have to keep those separate.

And like the comments that I've heard people

assuming, thinking that secondary should be cheaper. We're not paying for water, we're paying for infrastructure. And once we can get to more economies of scale, when we separate them, it will make that process a lot easier. And I don't know that it has to be as big and as scary of increases as we think it might.

Now, in answer to your question, I still have to find resources at the time, the money and everything to get it hooked up. So I think if we have a year after they connect, I think that's plenty of time.

So you're talking two years then?

A year after they connect.

Oh, so like the clock starts?

A year after the connection is available to the home.

Not when each person connects. Yeah, no, yeah, no. So I mean, that's what.

When it's on, they can connect. That starts the year timer for them to get hooked up.

I'm not saying, I'm not giving a policy on how, I'm just saying it's nice to give a little leeway to get hooked up. That's all. Because it is expensive.

I mean, if they finish in the late fall, some of them are worried about those streets, that kind of stuff, you know?

Do they plan on running across the road and getting We are planning to charge it in place next year.

So I would say you guys should come in. You guys are the budget makers.

We have started with the water rate resolution or whatever we passed. We also passed that and we're going to start, we said, okay.

Put whatever your approach is here. If we can afford it, yeah.

Thank you. Thanks, Carl.

I appreciate you guys listening.

Thank you. Do you have other questions, Dave? What are the next steps?

So this is the proposal.

So the equivalent of $5 per month for connection for culinary. Equivalent of $1 per month per connection for treatment plant. $1 per month per connection for sewer collection. I thought you guys put that one on. That's what our... the week just hearing what the council initially said i included but we can pull that back off the sewer the sewer collection could eke out for a year but so that's that would be the the item to discuss with council and then when that we'd recommend that you adopt that as soon as possible so let's put all that in together in a resolution and get it ready

is that how we do it do you know that if there's like other fees or anything we usually when we update the fees and fines we email the department head and say hey anyone else have changes they need to make so we can do that for next council meeting maybe yeah okay

Does that answer the resolution?

I was thinking of Michelle, where she's thinking of where she's being on secondary right now. I'm always wondering if we could adopt it along with the budget and how that affects OI1, just for the sake. Because right now she's bringing on secondary water and I believe there's a whole other service that just came on and she's kind of spent with that.

Is there something we can do?

Yeah, we'll do a connection report tomorrow.

We'll talk about it and then we'll make a bigger campaign.

So should we just start in July 1st? So let's get in front of the messaging of why.

Just so we have direction from the council to make sure we do this.

We're recommending the water treatment plant and the sewer.

Do you want us to include the sewer, or do you want us to leave the sewer collection dollar per connection off?

I say include it.

If they don't want it, they can vote that way.

So for the public notice on this, we've been talking. We do that often. Is there any way we could put a caption on the bill? A lot of our older residents, this is the only way they're going to find out other than sticker shock. that you know attention you know whatever your water rates are going to go up this much and in big letters because a lot of our older seniors really get their bills and go over it close because they're on a tight tight budget Great discussion, you guys. Let's move on.

I'm going to give you 15 minutes to go through your stuff.

Okay, there's two main things. We have a lot that we can work on in the department, and we don't wanna take up all your time, but there's two main things that we wanna get out of this discussion, and that's some of our highest priority. And then also Sure

with Christine being new to the staff and me being even newer, we're in a journey of discovery of how to best fill our roles and our professional and our daily work, both interfacing with the city administration and with the public. So in trying to follow the code, which is, those are guidelines, those are the standards that we follow and we don't do anything if the code doesn't direct us to do it. But in so doing, we found contradictory language. We found difficulty in enforcement of some of the sections. We found instances where we've either missed or are out of compliance with state directives. There are vacancies in code, or a vacancy of language in code that doesn't drive evidence from the fee schedule or best planning practices. And so I echo what Christine said. We are looking for a directive. We've been compiling in the past few weeks and we've rated by priority. And there isn't enough time to go through each one. But why don't we go with some of the highest priority ones and just describe those. So chapter one, so at the top of the list that was sent around suggested code improvements. First one is one of the chapter 1.33, planning and development.

Since I started here, I've been going over this particular code with our attorney and there are some good things about it and then there are some things that are lacking. So, but this is something that we've really, really hashed out a lot and trying to figure out as we move forward what kind of tools need to be used for a report. So I just wanted, so when we speak, it's something we've been discussing for a long time. So go ahead.

So the issue with the current PUD code, just in our efforts to guide our applicants through the process and find difficulty in doing that, the current PUD ordinance reflects a mix of legislative and administrative processes. creating internal conflicts and ambiguity and review authorities and standards. So maybe my challenge is if you were an applicant, read the code and see how you would get from A to Z with PUD code. And I'm just gonna tell you right now, I'm just trying to make it easier for applicants. And the recommended actions from staffers are first, a comprehensive rewrite of that code on a search bench to just try to make it is establish a clear logical flow of how to get an applicant through to the establishment of the PUD overlay. Two, an emergency repeal of that section to take it out of the code. Or three, to repeal for now and then replace it with something, with a different form of PUD ordinance to clearly define process, authority, and standards, and to separate legislative and administrative functions as appropriate.

Can I? My recommendation, our recommendation, Jeremy included, and actually Dalton, the last meeting we had with Dalton, we presented what's called a PC zone, which changes some fundamental things and actually give a legislative, well, I'll go into that later, but our attorney, with 10 minutes of us going into our suggestion, was, he wanted, he said, repeal and replace. That was his suggestion, and he was very, because it would give, because what we want to replace it with is a a code that actually has been vetted by land use attorneys, which is different than a regular attorney. He sits on the, and it's been used in other counties, and what it does is it shifts the negotiating power from the internal staff, because what is happening right now with the PUD is we get a development agreement and a PUD, and we bring it to the city council as a package deal. There's not much room for you guys to negotiate because it's all put together, and the way the PUD is designed, and Jeremy says it's like, They get a certain amount of, it's like a coin machine. You get extra density for X amount of parts or whatever. Well, the hard thing with that is if you as a council want to change some things, there's not much leeway. Because it mixes the administrative and legislative things together. What we're proposing is what's called a PC zone, and it's labeled as an actual zone type. But what the developer does is they present their plan and they come to you to get their entitlements before they go to the DRC because that takes a lot of time and staff and money. That's my biggest concern is we are spending a lot of engineering reviews and a lot of time on staff. to get these proposals to you, and it's still a legislative action. And then also the developers spending thousands of dollars to get their plans all up to snuff, and then to bring you a package deal that you may say yes or no about. And I don't feel that's fair for the city or for the developers. And so they get their entitlements set up front. They will come and they will say, I want these setbacks. It's kind of where the developer does get to be creative, but you guys, they negotiate with you as a council what what the terms are and then and some developers don't love that because they it's nice because then they have to get creative and they have to present it to you and some of them love it it just depends on it just depends on how they work we've got we've got a mix we've kind of bounced it off the idea off of on some developers some are like sign me up for that hold off on what i'm doing until you get that approved and some are like well i want to know what i'm what i'm allowed to do and then working with it but i mean for pi puds and i'm

fairly new but I just I don't want it to be a blank check that we do on this exactly and then the other guys they come in and say we don't always did the POV so I can this one I'm going to squeeze all this in and then we can be the whole pocket the PUD is more of a blank check than the PC zone because the PC zone is strictly legislative the PUD has some things are like well

we got approved for the PUD so we can do this. But when they come to you and present, they're saying, this is the max amount of identity that I want. This is the setbacks that I want. And we as a staff, it would be our job to make sure we represent that well to you so that you know exactly what is set. It is a bridge that is set in stone. And then when they go back to the DRC, they they have their zoning type and that's what they can do and that then when we claim this to the lawyer he thought this was great because it has a clear distinction of legislative and administrative duties and then they get their entitlements once they get their entitlements then it's easier to go through the administrative process and it's all administrative after that but and it positions you as a council in the ability to make those requests so you can have infrastructure requests and you can you can say no because you have legislative instruction or you can say yes and so In our opinion, this is the best way forward, especially for all the development that's coming.

It kind of allows the council to have some input on those densities. Whereas right now, a lot of it feels like the density's being done behind our backs rather than with us. And so that's encouraging.

It feels like it's behind your back, but it's just because- It feels like it.

It just feels. And it would go before the neighborhood partnership. before it hits our heads. So we would have the community feedback along with all the details prior.

Yeah, and it's, so we won't, they may or may not have concept plans with it, but they will have density sets, they will have, and most likely they'll have some type of, this is our proposal that they want, you can, you know, it'll be great. So that's the PUD. Do we have a directive for you to start working on that? Yes.

Well, I don't have a vote, by the way. I'd say that refill and replace, but we...

There are some that have vested rights in the PUD. We are going to have some development to be through that we are working through the PUD process with.

And we discussed last time, we don't want to send a thing out that we're going to straight up stop things.

No.

And the ones that already have them.

and they're in the middle of the process and they're being patient and they're going through it and we will keep guiding them through the process so this isn't going to stop anything that we already have in the process it would just be stuff coming in and we have some developers that are actually waiting for us to submit applications okay that's no i think we should say can i can i sum it up he has been so prepared and you guys have no idea how But some of them are by state mandates that we just need to be caught up with. Our code just needs to be updated. SB 174 has been adopted, and we have it in 2023, and our code just hasn't adopted it. So a lot of these highest priorities are just to get us up to date with what they are.

Any of those. Okay, so that's almost all of it. You know what has to be.

Yeah. And I'd like to say that there's a high level of trust with you. Okay. And so, well, we appreciate that.

We, these, we will not be able to get to all of these and three, cause we are going to take our time to create a good draft. And so some of these, you know, high priorities, it might be six months down the road before we have a really good job for you to, to have, but, um, yeah. Yeah. So if you want to look over these, you can look over them and then shoot us an email and tell us kind of what your thoughts are on some of them. But the biggest thing that I want to do too, and this is for developers, this is for people coming in that I just really feel passionate about is on our P schedule. I think Jeremy can do one of those. Okay, this is a little arbitrary on our P schedule. If you want, I'm looking, if you go to page nine. I don't know. Okay. Right now, our fee schedules we have, how our fee schedules should work in the planning department is it should pay for what we do in the planning department. So when we have an application, it should pay for what our work is. And that includes reviews from our engineering department. Right now we have a link. This is a set fee for a final class. This is a set fee for a preliminary class. This is a set fee for a legislation application. But what it's not doing is it's not making a, it doesn't accurately reflect, a developer could come in and all the fees that they have to pay for just applications until they get to the final plat is over $10,000.

Yeah, so concept plan, $1,500. Preliminary plat, $3,000. Final plat, $7,500. Site plan, $4,000. And so what that does, have any consideration for we believe is the low guy that's just the same thing as somebody doing a hundred acres they're all the same fee and that's that is that doesn't seem that doesn't add right so I see two ways forward of adjusting these fees and looking for your thoughts those fees I believe were based on on the department heads and their departments and how much time it takes to do a review and how long it takes to get it from A to Z in the process. But it doesn't justify it in this fee schedule. And so the two paths forward that I see would be to allow, to charge the $7,500 instead of as a fee, but as a bond. And so the little guy comes in, he pays $7,500, and he goes through one or two review cycles, he's done, he gets quite a bit refunded back.

Because we're charging what we actually review. And do you know what I mean? So we keep it, and then when we get our engineering bill, then we detect, oh, you had $500 in review, you get $7,000 back.

As an office staff, is there systems for that?

That's all I'm just trying to- Is that something we can- We would keep track of it instead of reviewing it. That would be an internal tracking system for us.

Okay, so we deposit the money and then you just keep track and then we get them a check back.

Alternatively, you could charge past their fees. So you would have the fees that we know of from fee schedules and you charge those up front, let's say $250 plus X amount of dollars per block. Okay, so then that takes care of staff's review in-house. But for the city engineer, as was mentioned before, and other contracted reviewers, we can charge pass-through fees, and those are fees passed on to the applicant to pay prior to recording like a subdivision plan.

So we lower the overall $7,000 fee to a minimum of like $250 or whatever we feel is appropriate. And then at that closing, then they owe, this is how much you owe for reuse. So those are both ways of actually, the fee actually representing the work done.

and that happens somewhere else by that another litigation or something no but this is just this is that this is somebody already doing that another city or anything well i think that's um this planning practice has a variety of ways of parking these views but i don't believe this is it so other cities do this same thing here yeah so their bonds would have their views and stuff um i i don't enjoy shaking down applicants from ui the other process you know pay their fees that what they agreed to long schooler because it's paid up time and i like refunding people that's a lot more fun yeah so and you guys will keep track of all of course yes yes yeah does that make sense any any directive on which direction do you think would be better

Okay. And that would require an easier change on our pre-schedule because we could just write a bond.

So it allows for adaptability of the size of the project. Yeah. Bonds can be tracked right alongside the escrow for improvements and other things like that. And so if you have the ability to remind at, let's say, one year increments or whatever. So when you hit your year mark, you get your bond back. We start talking about this. Does Jamie have any concerns with the bond structure?

Has Jamie heard about this? No, I haven't.

I would say let's just double check. We'll check with finance before we do that. Yeah, we'll for sure check with finance.

How much is the bond, sorry? We'll talk to you.

$50 million.

For developers to pay us. Yeah. But we have to return it. We have to stock it.

Yes. If I can't toot their horn, they through the processes they've been going, they have found a lot of fees that have not been paid. And I'd like you to come back at some point in the future and just let us know what success you have in that, okay? If we find about 10 million more.

I found $16,000 in the first two weeks.

But that was not a fee.

That was a fee.

I give you three minutes and we'll just start it on the next section.

Thank you, that was great. Sherry, you and Blair are just lucky you're going to be right in the YouTube every time. Actually, I probably could keep it here.

Yeah, let's do that. look at lindsay she had a great idea your idea someone sits here

Chris, how long do you have to fill up that bag?

Let's see what we got. Thank you. . . .

Okay, this is better. I'm not. I'm just testing it.

I'm just playing it. I'm testing it.

It is, it's kind of. We're going to get started as soon as Cynthia gets here. We know now who runs the city council, and it's Cynthia. I said, we're not going to start until you get here.

Okay, we'd like to welcome everyone out to our city council meeting today. We will go ahead and call the order and have our roll call, Cynthia.

I WILL CALL THE ROLL FOR MAY 19, 2022. COUNCIL MEMBER WEINER.

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COUNCIL MEMBER VOCA. HERE. COUNCIL MEMBER COLEMAN.

OKAY. I HAVE ASKED OUR PLANNER JEREMY LATTS TO GIVE US THE INVOCATION AND THEN

Father in heaven, we are grateful for this chance to meet and this building that has been set aside for the discussions of laws and policies that govern the city and we pray for singularity of focus that we may do things and enact laws that help the citizens of True Monster. We are grateful for all that we have we're grateful for our families that that support us in our efforts here we're grateful for the support of city and to be able to have needs to accomplish good things for the citizens we're grateful for this day father and we pray for a good meeting and we say this in the name of jesus christ amen hey

Say ready, begin.

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

Thank you, Jeremy and Christine. I would entertain a motion to approve it

um and we have a section on here that allows us to bring yes we do so i'll make a motion we approve the agenda with one exception that we conclude with a workshop item that we didn't get done pillars and vision and planning and we would add that where she does

We have a motion by Paul Lewis, a second by Brent Jacks. All those in favor say yes. Yes. Those opposed say no. Okay. Now a declaration of conflict of interest. Does anyone have a conflict of interest in our subjects tonight?

No.

Okay.

Seeing none, we'll move forward. This is the citizen engagement portion of our We ask you to use dignity in your speech. Hard conversations require the honest truth and respectful comment. We commit to fixing the problems without making it personal. And we'll give you three minutes. Did we have anyone on the sign-up sheet out there? Okay, so three minutes apiece. Under Utah State law, the council cannot debate or take action on non-agenda items. that's why we listen but we don't discuss and sometimes it appears that we're disengaged but we're not we're just trying to follow the utah state code for open public meetings and then with that in mind we'll turn the time over to the public for tonight anything that you would like to discuss

hi i'm amanda jones it was just a random thing um i had someone i know said that the water wasn't turned on at the riverview cemetery last year for memorial day so people could order their flowers so i didn't know if i need to talk to you or someone else just to make sure that water is turned on

I'm probably going to get up to say my piece. I listened to the workshop on the secondary water. I had some concerns that Councilmember Lewis actually had some of the same thoughts as I was having about getting communications out to the public about the costs of the meters the hookups and the rates and increases and penalties i remember this uh discussion i think last year the year before when it was taught but nothing really got pushed out publicly um in a really pronounced way so there are some people out there who have questions like i have the neighbor across the street who did everything that he's got to do to hook up but he doesn't know whether the city's ever going to come and put in a meter or not so he hasn't connected to it yet. So there's a large gap there in between what you guys know or think you know and what the public doesn't know. Another thing I wanted to touch on is in this Are the landlords going to be penalized for not hooking their homes up for the renters? Because I don't know if that's really fair for a renter to be penalized for something that they just moved into, or maybe they shouldn't have bear that burden it should be something on the owner of the home just my opinion um also there are a lot of uh mid and lower income families in the town that i i just got a quote um a couple of days ago when it was upward of a thousand dollars uh to get connected to mine um and being that there's some money still left over in the Habitat for Humanity. Maybe some of this money can be used to help some of those families get connected to the secondary water. And maybe we could think of other ways to help those people who may not have the money to hook that up. I'm sure there are a lot of fixed incomes. in town that may not be able to afford that or may not even have family that are close enough to do that so this time i actually covered everything everything else you guys are doing is great uh everybody who's in the face in the city as well as up there um all the new employees you guys are all doing a big enough job I agree with you.

Hi, my name's Debbie Gretner. I just have a question about the secondary water. I don't ever plan on using it. I have one of those boxes. block away from my house but it's still mine i guess um i have a well so how do we how do well people prove that they have that to where they don't ever plan on using it and they don't get charged that extra charge on their culinary water that's kind of my only question on that and i've already got my well hooked up for the year and i just don't want to get charged that extra money

And after the meeting, either I or Carl or you could go in and talk to Shelly, too, tomorrow if you come into the office and talk to Shelly.

I mean, I'll take pictures and show them to her or whatever. Yeah.

Thank you. I think you'll be fine.

What's that?

Just on usage, how much you use. So we'll go over right here.

But the question was is that I thought that you were saying that if you don't use the culinary then there's going to be an extra fee put on your regular water for usage okay okay seeing no oh go ahead sir yeah

sorry if i'm not tired um richard benson just moved here about two years ago and probably one of the most gorgeous neighborhoods over here um i've got bo is my neighbor bobby's our sister we're sorry um we moved here from mississippi okay so right now it's 94 and he made this probably about 96 there so Living here in the beautiful mountains is amazing. I'm blown away. I know you can get used to it. Just go to Mississippi for a couple days. You're coming right back. So I love this place. I love the town. I like the small town feel. And I know progress. Because I've retired 33 years military. Five years I was a Leo. Done a lot. and understand and appreciate progress. And as you and I and Bo have discussed, I've got five grandkids. I've got one in the oven. And I love children. And I'm really concerned about the entrance and exit to the subdivision for Holmgren. um something maybe we can get our brains going to figure out uh we've got some really really large vehicles piggyback gravel truck running at least 40 miles an hour through there and miss amanda bobby's wife told me we have three days And in three days, all these kids are going to be out playing. And I've seen little ones in diapers playing in the front yard. And they just kind of wander out in the street. And when you've got that equipment coming through at that speed, they can't slow down. They're in the way. If there's maybe a way we can put construction signs up that says detour and prevent them from coming down and that private drive, let them create their own ingress and egress. I know you had mentioned something there about someone named Chris was checking on a road. with some power lines. I don't really have much solutions, just maybe brainstorm. I'm just really worried in three days we're going to have all these little ones everywhere, and they're going to be having fun, and they want scooters and bicycles, and these huge pieces of equipment. We're only going to be able to put high rates of speed. And so I'll leave you with that. Thank you so much.

Hey, anyone else?

okay see you in the one we will go ahead and close the citizen engagement portion of our agenda item number seven notice a public hearing on june 16 2026 at 7 00 p.m to approve the final budget we will hold public hearing for fy27 fiscal year 27, final budget, and amend fiscal year 26 budget on June 16th at 7 p.m. So we wanted to make sure that everyone was noticed that we're going to be doing that on that date.

We're noticing the notice because the notice will also be posted. Notice the notice.

Yes, so we're noticing that we're going to notice. So please notice that we're putting it on. It will be on the website as well. but we want to make sure that everyone is well informed for sure okay item number eight unfinished business from city council workshop um this was uh we're moving forward with our strategic work um session and um jamie could i ask you to RIDE THINGS ON THE HORSE UP THERE. THANK YOU. OKAY. AND THEN ZACK, DO YOU WANT TO COME SIT UP HERE? BECAUSE YOU'RE GOING TO BE WORKING WITH ME ON THIS. ZACK AND I WERE IN D.C. TOGETHER AND WE KIND OF STRATEGIZED A LITTLE BIT ON THIS AND I APPRECIATE HIS HELP. BUT WHAT WE WANT TO DO TONIGHT IS WE WANT TO DISCUSS THE FIRST TWO PILLARS, WHICH IS Connect to the good life and connect to each other. And what I'd like to do is list some of your priorities on the board up here. Let's start with pillar one, connect to the good life. I did pass this out to all the city council and ask them to think about this and to come back with some ideas on what would be some good strategies, concerns on connecting to the good life. have you any of you have it excuse me what have you i know every one of you have developed into this what are your ideas and we really ought to randomly do you want to start well i just my priority after being here in the good black is we need to move on with the main street thing and i'm really frustrated with

my years of my career and all that is we don't ever get anything done and i think everybody's gonna somebody's gonna like it somebody's gonna hate it whatever we do and i don't think i think we've seen in this last thing with this ai center that i'm not saying these are over but i think we can see that the squeaky wheel doesn't always might not be the right way we got to decide that's why we all got boarded in

different people my priority might be different in new york but we need to i think that's the thing we need to just and i know we're working that way but move move forward with that and zach at any time please interject okay i'm super excited with the main street because a lot of work's been done over the years of getting feedback and holding events and gathering you know surveys and so now the main street committee gets to take that data That's great. Do you have anything to add to that? Yeah. You know, when I look at gratefulness, enjoyment, connected to good life, relaxed, stressed, friendly neighbors, lots to do for the family, looking forward to fun. I mean, I remember as a kid, being out at Midland Square when President Monson came and my uncle made the sculpture. And I remember sitting at that celebration and gaining a true appreciation for veterans for the first time. And just a lot of good core memories come back to events. and city celebrations and fireworks. So I mean, just the events and having the facility downtown for being able to do things that create memories, those are memories that get etched, as painful as it was too, just when the whole town was gathered as those officers came. You can't say that that didn't bond us as a community in different ways and create memories. So I'm excited about the Main Street Project because of that, the events that we did.

So is there any one or two words you would add to that?

Words?

Words or two words at a time? I mean experiences. Gratefulness and knowing experiences. I think they all come together. experiences I mean experiences is something that comes with that because you really can't you can't put a price on experiences I mean there are things that you don't forget they shaped who I am so I've been going around asking people in the community what they would like to see

And one thing that really resonated with me was what they do in Archival Estates. They do it more, I realize, as a ward, but it's not just a church thing. They have almost weekly activities, a meet and greet, cookie share. Somebody new moves into the neighborhood, they give them a welcome basket. that explains all things Tremonton, but even things in their area. I don't think when we do this, we have to spend a lot of money. But I would love, I mean, this is something I'd love to see the NIP group take and just start talking within that group to see how they can bring about their community and their area. You know, I remember as we were raising our children, Schuman Park was the hotspot. We would have movies in the park. They would have picnics in the park. Some things that they did that we could never pull off now was the cold water game, and they couldn't do that. But there was always an activity. There was a large lawn. People loved that. I think that's an area that is underutilized that we could use. Anything that is family friendly. This is what everybody keeps saying that I've talked to, family friendly, let's get out and meet each other.

So that's kind of where I'd like to go with it.

Family friendly, we just need to bring the families back together.

When I was working with the gang task force, we were running a gang homicide in South Salt Lake. And then subsequently, we were serving a couple of gang-related search warrants in relation to that homicide in the Rose Park area of Salt Lake. In both those instances, things take time to do. We ended up talking to some of the neighbors that had been there for a long time and listened to how their communities used to be. It used to be everything that we're talking about here and crime took that away. And so all of these things, The thing that allows for pillar one and pillar two and even given the other two is we have to have a safe community in order to pull this stuff off. If we don't have a safe community, if our response to calls, if we're not tackling narcotics, if we're not tackling the child abuse, everything that comes, utopia that we're that we're mapping out and so public safety is and that's and honestly that's going to be my answer for bill number two as well and so i just i can't emphasize enough that um trying to think back to what rose park would have looked like as a as a nice little neighborhood You know, it was long before the early 2000s when we were serving search lawyers there.

So I know we said that we'd never allow it to get to that point. They never thought that they were allowed to get to that point either. That's all.

Great, great. And I agree. I think that safety goes across all levels.

So I love what we're doing. And I love the things that we've been doing, the farmer's market. I think that just brings community together, and I love that. And the movies in the park. I know when we've done those, it's been really good turnout. And the concert for the Mugs and Bananas is going to be at the Midland Square. And I love that idea, too. I think that's great. So just community and family. I don't know what two words I'll use.

is there something on this pillar one you know if we put this all together in an overarching goal um and it's not so much a goal but it's a direction to give to the city employees and to the citizens to help move towards that can you see a a theme here well naturally community safety gaining experiences do we want to do that do we want to concentrate and do that down on main street and see if we can start to create some of this what would be your thoughts about how can we bring this all together into one goal

i just wanted to talk about pillar one a little bit first and then ask a few questions if the council doesn't mind pillar one is the good life and the emotions that we see from the good life is gratefulness and enjoyment those are the feelings when we talk about pillar one that the residents that's what they're feeling when they feel the good life. And the strategic focus areas would be parks, recreational activities, youth programs, housing and growth management, quality of life amenities. Those are the kind of things that fall typically under the good life. So when we think about those things, before we answer Mayor's question, we've talked about some of the good things, but I wanna know what are also some of the concerns talking about those things, what are some of the current concerns you guys see and that the residents have talked to you about? So when a resident says that they love living in Tremonton, what specific things are they grateful for, and are we actively protecting those things currently, right? Within the budgets that we set, are we actively protecting those things that they say they love? And we say there's a lot of things for the whole family to do. On a scale from 1 to 10, right, from our youngest kids, is there really a lot of things to do? Our children, our teenagers, our senior citizens, right? Right in your minds, is there a lot to do for those people? And if not, what concerns do we have? Where's the gap and what should we be focusing on? Another thing to think about was a lot of people come here and we're removed from the big city life as a core attribute, but residents are still wanting big city services. And we've titled ourselves as a full city a city with full services, right? And so that means we are a small city, but for the 15 years that I've almost been here, 14 years, we've spent a lot on those big city services when we haven't been a big city. So we're providing a lot of things without the resources. People are coming and wanting more and more and more and so so those are just some things to ask also where that where's that tension showing up most right now and how do we Where do we go or what do we have the most risk of losing? by meeting Every service and how do we how do we combine those? So so thinking about pillar one. Those are some hard questions to be asking but when we ask about the concerns and What are the concerns that you're seeing? Maybe it's just the first thing that pops in your mind. And what pillar one investment would the residents feel most if they lost or most if we added also? So those are some of the things, again, as we talk about recreational activities, youth programs, housing, growth management, and The way of life here involving black communities. Remember those are the pillar one typically So so before we get to the mayor's question again is what are the concerns about that? You guys see a residents have talked to you about Well, there's all Take that first one.

I'll respond back with the question before I Answer what are the what are the big city services that we've been providing? You see that's just that's what we've always said is we're a small community with big city services basically so so um we've been providing these big city services and i'm just i want to make sure that we're talking about the same thing so if you tell me what some of those big city services that we've been Doing that we need to scale back on.

Well, no, no, I'm just saying that we do very to what has been mentioned in previous City Councils and as a city So as you're not suggesting that we're currently doing its city services That's that's just that's the narrative that the city has taken on that we are a small city, but we offer big city things so that would be full parks and recreation, full police, full fire. Those are big things that not necessarily every community We can keep going down the line with senior center now, with just departments. It's things that add up over everything, but people have asked for and we've continued to provide. And I'm not saying we cut back on anything. I'm just painting the narrative of where we're at and what this council committed to over 20 years ago, right? And so over 20 years ago, we said we want to provide these things Back then, we may have had the resources to do that, but then we haven't also kept up with our revenue through property tax or whatever. In 40 years, we've only raised property tax twice to keep up with the big city services. And so that's just painting the picture. Are we still committing to provide all those big city services and be a full-service city? And if so, what are the concerns? That we see the gaps within those and where we need to to what do we need to do to continue to offer those services?

Okay, so with that I'll That's clarified. I'll respond. I have my concern is that And I wouldn't even call them big city services.

I I would categorize them as our and things like that.

My concern is that we lack the willingness to do what it takes to make ourselves as safe as we can.

One of the concerns I've heard is, by the way,

I think there's a difference between resources and resourcefulness. And I think with the resources that the Parks and Rec Department has been given to provide experiences in this type of environment, I think you've been super resourceful. And I think we have an incredible Parks and Rec Department doing a lot with very little. So I'm super grateful for that. And I applaud your leadership there. in doing that um you know i think the the citizens generally speaking there's a there's a conflicting narrative that i get which is difficult as city council to manage to know what to do and that is where's our recs rec center where's this where is that you know we need more parks But then there's also a lack of budget for those things. And so how do you provide the resources that are being asked for? So I've heard both ends of the spectrum of get it done, get us our rec centers, get us our things. And I've also heard do not touch property tax no matter what. right so it's kind of a conflicting demand that the year and there's people that will vehemently argue both sides right and so but so i would just add a concern is facilities um having facilities adequate to provide um i'm i'm A lot of my children have decided to play sports. We spend every weekend somewhere in some valley and it's usually not here spending money. And I think a lot of us can agree with that. And we do have a lack of facilities to provide the services that lures others to come here. And yet you're still with what we do have holding tournaments when you can and But I think that could be increased. And I've heard that concern a lot.

Just get it done, get our facilities in. So that's a concern. I would echo that.

I got thinking, and my wife was one of them, so I get beat up. But the ladies, not just ladies, people come in on the pickleball. And I started thinking that night that different than people that are paying for a lot of stuff here, maybe they deserve to have some pickleball stuff because we do really well for the kids we could do better they have all their programs but that that would be a big on pillar two and that was one of mine but a connection is if you go to them places where they have a few pickleball and they meet and they go between each other and have a thing and stuff like that and i think i think when it comes to some of these builders that of all of it. I mean, I think, obviously, public safety, but I think, I mean, I think we're on our way there. I mean, we can always do better, but I think we've, for the two years I've been here, we've put our money where our mouth is there as much as we could.

and yet we don't even have you know we're still struggling to fund all of the officers or other demands that are coming at us and so you have to figure out okay then how are you going to to fund that and i think we really just need to leave it up to the public with a proposal of a wrap tax to fund it and let them decide what they would like because at the end of the day we need to understand what the public wants she was willing to invest in that or not and then that comes at an increased otherwise I don't know how else to pull up right so I wouldn't want to choose our heart

Raise the sales tax so much that people go out of town even more or what they do right now. That's that As I sitting down at the state lacrosse semis today a group of us were talking and the conversation come to Wonder how many of these kids started with recreation And so, you know, I think that says a lot, what you do and what the services that you offer and the programs that you offer for the youth. I mean, they're going to start somewhere. I think you introduce them and you give them the opportunity to play these sports and to learn these skills. I appreciate that. And by doing so, it brings joy. Communities together. It brings families together. It's a whole circle thing. So I appreciate the sports. That was just, I just wanted to pass that on to you. That was a hot topic down there today.

Yeah, I appreciate a lot of the comments made about our department, but total one. it's not necessarily our department fulfills a lot of the needs that come from pillar one but ultimately this is your strategic goals so so if we do the best that we can for that but we want to know what the concerns are that so as we go out what can we do and it's not just us be all departments and what they can do so so i appreciate those but i don't want to take the credit for what you guys are trying to accomplish right so you're doing a good job too any other concerns um before we get here i'd like to go through all the pillars and then come back and then you have time to go through one tonight yeah yes and no that's what i'm saying is like we do one and then we do more um but before we start setting goals in each

Yeah, my concern is I don't know that we will because we've been doing this for two and a half years. So we've got to keep focused on this. This is vital. The staff is asking us to get these out there for them, to give them direction in order to move. So I'm not trying to be pessimistic, but that's a concern I have is how long it takes us to

right but it all comes the epic economics yeah i mean we can say what what i mean i'd buy or build a rec center for whatever and i don't even play hockey and i think hockey i think for the olympics hockey would be great here but we like you said we can't hire all the people we want right now so and again this is high levels right this is um it's not

go build this, right? But in the future, what do we want to do? Because one of the biggest concerns from the wellness survey two years ago was the number two thing was opportunity for youth, right? So this is where you're saying, okay, out of pillar one, opportunities for you how important is that going to be to us and provide that and then as we start setting um our priorities amongst the pillars is priority or opportunity for you as an example where is that going to fit within our our priorities and then the highest gets the highest funding and it just triples down right and so that's kind of what we're That's the goal of this conversation is to get those four or five strategic priorities from each, one from each pillar and then move from there. And so that's where we're asking, what are you hearing good? What are the concerns? Out of those concerns, what is the most important thing to us out of that pillar? And then as we compare pillars, what's the most important things in the city?

We'll take a picture of this and save it. Next week, we'll talk about pillar two. I'll leave you to, I won't be here in two weeks, so here's our mayor. I'll be done. If you two will take down that, I'd appreciate it. Okay? Thank you. Thank you, Jamie, for having us. Great. Okay, now it's time for number nine, consent agenda. Any council person, any council member may request an item be removed for separate discussion. So we have the approval of the minutes of April 10th and May 5th of 26th and the approval of the resolution that Lindsay introduced, number 2628, amending the section two purchasing policy contract.

I just want to point out, I did not take this one to the department head meeting, but all it is doing is adding new positions to be able to sign PO stuff. The only changes in this policy.

I made the motion. Well, I had something on the April 10th minutes. It said the meeting adjourned at 11.45 p.m. Shit.

I remember being late. I bet you it was 9.45.

Well, I think it was on the 10th. I was very late. So I think it was, I think it should have been 11.45 a.m.

There you go. Yeah. Good catch. Yeah. Thank you.

Go ahead. I'll make a motion that we approve the consent of the items.

with that change in the minutes from april 10th okay we have a motion by council person second by council person okay all those who oh we we need the other part okay yes yes yes yes yes okay yes okay consider the end of passes okay uh reports and calendar Cynthia, do you have any, excuse me. Do you have anything? No? These guys are doing a great job. They are. So this is city leadership report. We've heard from some of our department heads. Was there any other department head that would like to take a minute? I think we're good. Great. Upcoming calendar items. Okay, so this Thursday, 10.30 is when we're going to be here. It's a special Olympic torch run. 10.30 in the morning, a.m. May 23rd is the USA 250 Gold Star Memorial Walk. Starts at 9 a.m. at Midland Square. May 29th is a library summer kickoff party. City Council, please come at 345 and join us so that we can cook some hot dogs and visit with the public. It's a good time. And then on June 20th, it's the Mugs and Bananas Drive Night. Always a good time. Farmer's Market hosted by businesses in town held the first Saturday and each month at Schumann Park from 10 to 2 during May and September. And then there's an Outdoor Adventure Challenge. Is that something you're doing, Zach?

Outdoor Adventure Challenge, is that what it's called? Yeah. Yeah, it's Every Kid Outdoors. And so we partnered with the state, offering outdoor activities to youth and families to get them outdoors and experiencing new activities in nature. What are you doing in your spare time?

Work.

With that in mind, I would just like to take one minute, and today I went to a presentation at the high school, listened to some students present two presentations on things we could improve. I don't know what was improved, but just some good ideas. One was on recycling in Tremonton. The other was on affordable housing. The affordable housing was a great presentation. So I asked them to come present the City Council. Oh, cool. So they're going to come in two weeks, I believe, in 10 minutes, and they're going to do their presentation for us. But it was fantastic, and I learned a lot from it. I hope they have solutions. Yeah, kind of. So anyway, and then... I just wanted to report really quick. Zach and I went to Washington, D.C. this last week. We got to spend some time with our officers. Reg was there. It was an amazing time.

And it was fun to get to know our officers on a much different level.

that was a great opportunity and it was kind of fun spending some time with zach so we had we had a good time so anyway with that in mind um what i would like to do is do we close this session okay i'd like into closed session that you have to keep okay we'll need to keep this going but we do need to have a closed session we're going to talk about some litigation

And so that's why we're going into closed session.

So with that in mind, I would like a motion to go into closed session. I'll make a motion to go into closed session. A second? Second. Motion by Councilman Lewis and a second by Councilman.

And we need a roll call.

Jackson.

Councilmember Woodard? Yes. Mr. Gray? Yes. Lewis? Yes. Jackson? Yes. Okay.

Yes. Okay, we're going to close session. Thank you everyone for attending tonight. Thank you.