Town Board - Regular Meeting

That's what was missing. Tables. [clears throat] All right. I'm calling the meeting to order. Attendance, please. Supervisor Holdridge, here. Council member Becker, here. Council member Pisar, here. Council member here. Please stand for the pledge of allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

All right. Did everybody get a chance to review the meeting minutes? Yes. Were there more than just the 14? Yes. What? What was the other one? I'm sorry. So, for the 14th and 20, is there a resolution to accept both the 14th and 28th? I'll make the motion. Is there a second? I'll second it. All those in favor? I I um the summary of bills, the bills, uh the town will be paying bills in the amount of $4,21,91957. Are there any uh public comment tonight?

Anybody here? Questions, comments? None. All right, moving on. Uh reports. Uh we will start with Councilman Casara tonight. I have no report this evening. Deputy Supervisor Becker. Okay. Uh just go over. Every month the town receives a report from the county that gives us an engineering report on testing of for hydrogen sulfide gas from manholes at Monroe's airplane park. Yes.

The reason for this testing is to try to curb odors that are emitted through Airplane Park because of the town the town village and village of South Blooming Grove sewer effluent travels through those manholes. This has been a cause of odor complaints from residents that utilized the park. Many things are taking place to correct the issue such as oxygenation system at the sewer plant 3A at the town of Chester, updating the seals on manhole lids, and the continuous monitoring of the H2S gas. These efforts continue to be costly to the sewer district and hopefully in the future a solution to the issue can take place to everybody's satisfaction. I'd also like to mention that the town has eight pump stations. The village has 14 pump stations and pump station 3A the main pump facility where the treatment takes place. All of these pump stations at time at times have odor issues but do not receive any treatment. So, it's just, you know, just just information for the public. I also attended the February 9th village board meeting. The village held a public hearing on an updated property maintenance law and held the public hearing open until next meeting. All departments were present to give reports to the board and just regular business for the rest of that meeting. And we'll discuss the cellular end points uh towards the end of the meeting.

Thank you. Thank you, Councilman Courtney. I don't have anything this evening.

All right. Uh with me, I just had I don't know if I can make that. Yeah. The only reports I have really is uh the last on uh Monday we started our interviews for the open uh planning board seat and the uh open town board seat. Uh we're going to continue them and hopefully finish them tomorrow. Uh so we will have hopefully a decision to be made on all that come uh the 25th. I think I also do you guys remember if I sent out emails about the two ZBA candidates? Do you guys remember?

I saw two emails on them. I'm not sure whether they were for I don't think they responded. That's why [clears throat] I was asking. Yeah, I saw the two emails, but I don't think they responded. Okay. As as long as I sent something out, then I do my I did see it. I'll I'll try to follow up with them. There is an open zoning board. Is it an alternate or is it a

an alternate position? I'll have to follow up on that. Uh, and then I just wanted to say, I know it seems like a century ago, uh, at this point, but the rally on the 29th of January, um, between rural migrant um, ministry and, uh, Congressman Ryan's office uh, was very peaceful, orderly, and cold. Um, but it was a success uh, in terms of just everybody's safety uh, and lack of disruption for the most part to the town. So, I just want to thank the organizers for keeping it that way and the uh rally goers for um being that way. Uh

and the town of Chester Police for all the extra work that they had to do to make this happened. Yep. Uh the town police department uh was incredible as well as the highway department who helped uh make sure everything was set up properly. Um thank them there when I was there and uh big thank you to them again.

All right. Besides that we can move forward [clears throat] the town historian submitted a uh report here. Uh he helped a couple residents with some specific issues. Um located some information in terms of uh what's called a Japanese rifle from World War II. That seems pretty cool. Um shared information about early 20th century. Chester here uh responded to some inquiries. connected uh connected a Chester resident with uh the Sugarloaf Historical Society [snorts] um about Pinehill Farm, provided historical context for a hiking trail adjacent to the Montville Reservoir. Never heard of that. Uh specifically, its connection to Long Pond Iron Works and Associated Railroads and met with uh the Chester Historical Society, uh Gina Chisano

Chisano and Olivia Stemovski uh a graduate student at the State University of New York at Albany to discuss projects involving creation of small unprocessed archival collection project is requirement of the master degree for Olivia. Very nice. Thank you to the town historian. So for the EMS report for January, there were 82 total dispatches, uh 80 total responses, 60 transports, and there were only two instances where no unit was available. Uh the grand total uh dedicated Chester unit average response time was 9 minutes and 5 seconds. Uh with with when you factor in the the two uh additional Empress units that were needed for the no for the um for the two instances there it was 19 minutes and 2 seconds for a rand total average response time of 9 minutes and 21 seconds. Brandon, just a question on that and and I I had to go back and look at it and I didn't, but you have it open.

The two times there wasn't a dedicated unit available, was that because ours was already out on a call or was it mutual aid? It was second it was uh second calls. Okay.

Yeah. Well, it says here there were actually four um addition there were four times that there was an additional Empress unit was uh required and it was for second calls. So, we'll have to ask him about that. the discrepancy there. [clears throat] That is that the rest of the there is more information always in those reports. So please I just try to go over the highlights. Um feel free to look at them online. [snorts] All right. Uh the police report there were two arrests. um one operating a motor vehicle with a registration with a suspended registration and one uh oper operating a motor vehicle with a suspended driver's license. Uh there were non uh good amount of noncriminal activity. 30 38 medical calls, 14 residential and commercial burglary or fire alarms. Eight reports of suspicious persons, vehicles or activities. Five domestic disputes, disturbances, fights or other disputes, two motor vehicle crashes with injuries, 18 motor vehicle crashes without injuries, seven crashes involving deer. There were 30 uniform traffic tickets in the month of January. Um there was a good amount of community policing. Um three house security checks and 947 business security checks. Sergeants Dugan and Officer Bird Weinstein Stack and Nraine continue to complete child passenger safety seat checks and installations when needed. Um there were two seat inspections, installations completed in January. Officer Sack maintained contact with the Chester 8 Golden Age Club. uh he attended one of their weekly meetings where he answered questions and interacted with members. There was um departmental training and a good amount of uh miscellaneous

information here that you can read in the full report. Thank you to the police department. And then animal control, there were seven calls for loose, lost or found dogs, one call for injured goose. One call for a dog hit by a car. That is that we had a late entry in with the water department. The water department processed and distributed o just over six million gallons of water in the month of January. Um the breakdown can be viewed online. uh multiple amounts of testings uh other maintenance around the multiple water districts here. Uh Sugarloaf was mostly quiet. Siri Meadows was mostly quiet. Um they did some endpoint installations uh throughout the district. Well 6 stopped working and had a hole in the well pipe. Quacken Bush came and pulled and replaced the pipe and pump. Lake Hill Farms was mostly quiet. Condo well stopped working, needs to be replaced. Walton Lake Estates was mostly quiet with routine operations and maintenance. Uh had a water main break, a water mane break in front of three Maple Lane. Had help from the highway department to help uh replace a section of the main. Field Crest was quiet. They replaced the water meter at the police station. That is the water department. All right. Are there any uh announcements or anything from the town clerk's office?

Have a couple. Oh, the building department submitted one. I must have missed. There were 11 new building permits, 12 closed building permits. Uh total open building permits are now at 299. Uh total inspections 21. Total complaints one. Total municipal searches five. There were zero summons. And that is that.

Yeah, I can do that.

Millennium uh strategies, our grant writers uh wanted to share with us that they have submitted four grants applications. Um $900,000 for the New York State Department of Rex and Historic Preservation NPR grant. We are targeting a um what's it called? Trying to upgrade the batting cages at Carpenter Park and the back stop fences at Carpenter Community Park. So, we just submitted that earlier this week. Um I was working with the little league on that. Um we submitted one for uh the VFIRE grant which I believe that may I think we got awarded that grant. I think we got awarded Here we go. No, that was a different grant. Um, New York State, we we submitted for $2 and a half million dollars for New York State um plays uh which is for the proposed uh playground from the some of the community members. Uh we're hoping to they're hoping to present something to us soon about other things that have to do with the Carpenter Park and and Chester Commons, but uh they wanted to um apply for one with the uh at uh I think this was for the Commons. And then uh Peekom Industries, they that was the uh company that uh gave us a grant last year. Um I had spoken to them about the uh uh the polls at Chester Commons. They gave us $20,000 to finish up that project. Um, and we are um what's it called? Applying for another grant now. Um, that has to do with playgrounds. And then we have a couple that were already submitted. And this is one, this is new. Um, we just learned earlier this

week and we'll release a more um what's it called? Uh, we I think we'll be releasing a joint statement with the fire department. But uh we were award the fire department was awarded $3,500 for uh thermal heat cameras um which is a really good thing. So we uh worked with them on that. We lent our grant writers to help the fire department. Anything else?

All right. Moving forward, [clears throat] uh there was a resolution to reduce the work schedule of the secretary to the planning board from a 35 hour work week to a 21-hour work week effective February 26th. Are there any questions or comments or debate points on this? No. Now make the motion. There's a motion and there's a second. All those in favor? I resolution to authorize road closure on Kings Highway for the Sugarloaf Community Foundation uh 5K race on October 3rd from 8:00 a.m. to 10:00 a.m. This is we did the same thing last year. Are there any questions or debate points on this? Will that be subject to any insurance and everything else that they'll need to do this?

They'll they'll have to Okay, so we we should do a subject too. Yeah. uh subject to insurance and any other things that the uh attorney and the police department deem necessary. That's fine. Is there a motion? I'll make the motion. Second. All those in favor? I

I believe they also already reached out to the police department resolution to create town historian position and appoint Cliff Patrick to the town historian. So, I just want to um clarify cuz I got a couple people that reached out to me and some others. Um this Cliff Patrick is already the town historian. This is not a uh reappointment of him of any kind. We already did that in the reorg document. This is just there was an issue with the county system uh civil service as always. Uh and we just realiz we're just trying to fix an issue that has been uh in existence for quite a while. We're just updating our lists with the county basically. Um it it's a it's a formality. This is not a you know reappointment or anything. We already did that in the reorg document.

Is it a volunteer position? Yes, he is. Yeah. Yeah. He is a stipen. I think it's like a couple thousand dollars or something. Um all right. Uh is there a motion to accept the resolution as written? I'll make the motion. I'll second. All those in favor? I I

All right. Uh Sugarloaf Chamber of Commerce request for billboard advertisement. The spring festival graphic um that I sent out to the town board and it starts in uh they would like it to start uh advertising in March um leading up to the uh uh festival which is in May. Are there any questions or debate points about this? Oh, I got some thoughts on this because uh I discussed this before. We don't have an actual written policy in place yet for the changes to the sign. We have a non-town employee that does the changes for us. It's and it's it's not something we need to get in place. And I'm still against having advertisements. I know we don't have to follow our zoning. I just think this is going to come back to bite us in the future. put advertisements up there. We really need a written policy. We need to

hire somebody Yeah. to actually do this work because somebody's doing this on this basic approval. But I don't know. I just I just don't like the way it's working. I guess my question is be before I believe it was Diamond Grade Media doing it. Yeah. Are they still doing it? Yes, they are. Okay. But they were kind of involved with the town with the theater. Now that's all gone away. So Well, that's what I mean. He was there in the theater but was when it was ours. That's what my question is. Now all of that's changed and we have no written policy on how this is supposed to work. We can certainly um refine the agreement if you wish. Um great to continue doing that service. We can put together an agreement.

Yeah, we should definitely I agree with Tom that we should definitely have something on on paper. Um, but I do I do disagree that I I feel like I don't I don't see an issue with continuing to do what we've done in the past with these guys, but uh that is my personal opinion. Are there any other debate points? No, that's it. No, Jeppi. No, I'm good. No. All right. Is there a motion to accept the request from the Sugarolf Chamber of Commerce? I'll make the motion. Is there a second? Second. All those in favor? I I No. Just did you?

Yeah. [clears throat]

Okay. I mean, you know, I don't know if you have to read a verb, but resolution to authorize comproller to settle the 2019 bond redemption. This is in reference to closing out the bond that has associated with the performing arts center. Do I need to read this whole thing into the Yeah, you should just clarity. Do I have to read the top here too? The title is [clears throat and cough] I'm used to reading these.

Let's resolution of the town of Chester or Orange County, New York. adopted [snorts] uh February 11th, 2026 authorizes redemption of a portion of the town's $1,515,000 public approvement serial bonds 2019 federally taxable and the prior bonds appropriating an amount not to exceed 665,000. Therefore, directing that notice of such redemption be provided by the supervisor to the bond holders of the prior bonds to be redeemed in the manner prescribed in the prior bonds and making certain other determinations relative to their two recitals. Whereas the town of Chester, Orange County, New York, here called the town is here24 issued a 1,515,000 public improvement serial bond 2019 federally taxable here and referred to as the prior bonds pursuant to various bond resolutions adopted on their respective dates. And whereas the prior bonds maturing on March 1st, 2027 and thereafter are subject to redemption prior to maturity at the option of the town in whole or in part at par plus acred interest to the date of redemption on any date on or after March 1st, 2026 after the mailing of notice to the registered holders of the prior bonds at least 30 days prior to the date set forth in redemption. And whereas the town has sold a facility that was purchased with the proceeds of the portion of the prior bonds and pursuant to applicable law, it is appropriate to use said the proceeds of said sale to redeem prior to maturity portion of the outstanding prior bonds and the town board hereby adopts this resolution to effectuate such redemption. Now therefore, the town board of the town of Chester, Arch County, New York, hereby resolves as follows. Section one, the town board of the town of Chester hereby authorizes the redemption of a portion of the prior bonds of the town maturing in the years 2027 through 2034. Said portion to be redeemed being referred to here and as the redeemed bonds which are subject to prior redemption according to their terms is more particularly described and referred to in the notice of redemption attached here too. Section two, in accordance with provisions of section 53 of the local finance law constituting chapter 33A of the

consolidated laws of the state of New York, the the town hereby elect to call in and redeem the redeemed bonds on March 16, 2026, the redemption date. The sum to be paid on the redemption date shall be 665,000 consisting of a portion of the outstanding principal amount of the redeemed bonds plus acred interest to any to the redemption date and set amounts hereby appropriated therefore to accomplish the redemption of the redeemed bonds. Section three, the town supervisor acting as the chief fiscal officer of the town is hereby authorized to approve all details of the redemption of the redeemed bonds and directed to cause irrevocable notice that in the forms of fourth and exhibit A of such call for redemption to be given in the name of the town in accordance with the terms appearing in the redeemed bonds to the registered holder of such redeemed bonds. and C authorized to do all things, take all actions, and to execute and deliver all agreements, certificates, instruments, and other documents necessary or desirable in connection with the matters described herein without the need for further action by the town board. Section four, the election to call in and redeem such redeemed bonds and the notice thereof given as provided in section three, it shall become irrevocable and shall constitute a covenant with the holders of such redeemed bonds. This resolution will take effect immediately.

Thank you for taking that bullet there. Um, is there are there any questions or debate points on this? I'm good. I make that motion. [laughter] You're really happy about that one. I'll second it. All right. All those in favor? I I can get a copy of the um Linda, I'm assuming uh Hawkins just in section two, there was a village that snuck in. It should be town. [clears throat] Do I have the signs? No. No. No. Lindsay has to do stuff with that. Okay. She'll coordinate with Hawkins. What's Hawkins? Hawkins.

Okay. Thought you were talking about Stranger Things for a second. Yep. Um All right. Uh accounting department request for controller Meyer to attend foundations of budgeting webinar. uh $170 through GFOA on the uh 25th and foundation foundations of internal controls webinar $170,000 I'm sorry $170 for GF GFOA on the 19th of March. Are there any questions or bay points? No. No. Is there [snorts] a motion? Motion. I'll second to pass or to accept. I second. Yes. All those in favor? [clears throat] I I

accounting department request for deputy controller mcy to attend the GFOA annual conference from April 16th to 17th for $975. There any questions or debate points? No. No. Uh is there a motion to accept the request? I'll make the motion. I'll second. All those in favor? I. Building inspector request to attend the Rockland NYC seminar between May 5th and May 7th for $300. It is a necessary um what's it called? A conference to in order to get hours to retain the code enforcement certificate. Are there any questions or debate points? No. No. I'll make that motion. I'll second. All those in favor? I I

senior bus trip refund request for seven Chester residents. Uh the bus broke down which caused the trip to be rescheduled is $79 per resident. Um I I you guys all got an email about this, correct? These are probably seven seven people that can't make the next trip that I'm assuming because they they had comped the uh amounts for the next trip. So yeah, these uh these ones are requesting a uh yeah a refund. Not a problem. Are there any uh debate points? No. No. Is there a motion to accept the request? I'll make the motion. I'll second it. All those in favor? I I

counting department uh request for 2025 budget modifications. Uh so this is a very long list. Yes, it is. Um I I know I just uh I was just going to say yeah, you can go on and review uh the full list if you would like on the in the minutes and online, but uh basically it is just to bas uh close out the year 2025. This happens every year. This is a basically a formality to make sure our books line up and we zero everything out. Uh but are there any questions or debate points from the town board at this time? Good. All right. Is there a motion to accept uh to approve the uh the modification?

I'll make I'll make a motion second. All those in favor? I I All right. Uh discussion on cellular endpoint opt out. I'm sorry. You have additional

Oh, we do. Yeah. Oh, I it was in the same email. That's my fault. Yeah. Uh sorry. There are there's a request for 2026 as well. This is a much shorter list, so I will say something about uh Siri Meadows uh 23 $2,310 um for pump repairs and water repairs. And then meters and parts uh increase of $450 and appropriated appropriated fund balance. Uh, that's where the $450 are coming from. Are there any questions or debate points about this? No. No. No. Is there a motion to accept? I'll make the motion. I'll second. All those in favor? I I

Thank you. discussion on cellular endpoint out fee. So, uh, Tom, you said you had some information for us before.

So, yep. So, cellular endpoints have been installed on meters throughout the town. water districts have become an issue with some residents requesting an opt out and I think we actually put that in place already but we haven't come up with a price. Uh so the ask for a waiver at no cost. As a board we must look at all the facts related to an opt out such as the cost to the water districts. We have a close to $2,000 a year fee for uh the software related to reading those meters that would be in the opt out. There will also be associated cost for travel necessary to to manually read the optout meters and the manpower after all the end points are installed and and my thought process on how to cover possibly these costs. uh after all endpoints are installed in the water districts, a fee can be adopted using the number of opt- out customers to cover the cost so that other water customers are not covering those cost. So basically we have to cover that two the main thing is to cover that $2,000

okay for the reading of those particular meters that shouldn't be fall on the me on the residents that are going to be onto the new system and the new billing software. So that's something that would take place in the future after all meters are installed. Then we have a number of how many people have opted out and that would be basically divided by that number to calculate you know your quarterly amount for that year. Just to clarify that software fee that $2,000 that's additional software that if you use this cellular endpoint we don't need that software and if you don't use it we do need that software.

That is correct. Yeah. So there'll be basically there's going to be two software cost, one for the old meters, one for the new meters because we have the opt out in place. So that that's a cost that everybody would have to eat because of the opt out. So are you suggesting that we uh put in an opt- out fee uh now and then? Okay. Not until I'm just bringing information to you for the future. It may this may be two years down the road. Okay. Even though people are opting out now, there'd be no fee until such point where we've been exhausted

because the village h the village of Chester has no opt out. They're down they have over 960 meters. I think they have like 30 more to go and they don't have an opt out and they they just want one billing system. They don't want to have to mess with two billing systems. Got it. So, it's just something you'll have to deal with in the future. And that's just a suggestion I'm making on how to cover those cost if you wanted to add for the actual reading that has to take place with the with the water operators going out to read which they don't have to do with the new meters. That's something you have to discuss in the future. I think that's reasonable and I might not be here for that. Okay. Okay. So, this is just something that'll be in your minutes that you can refer to in the future if you'd like or you can reach out to me.

Got it. you'll probably be in the audience. [laughter] All right. Are there any questions uh for Tom? No. No. I I I I agree with that and I think that that's the fairest way. It's not fair to residents that are are opting in on the uh on the other meters that are going to be read if there's if there's an associated cost to the ones that are opting out.

Yeah. I did do a print out also in regards to the health risk of the actual Badger meters because we did see a lot of emails and documentation that came to us from different individuals and there was a variety of thoughts on how how dangerous the meters were. But in retrospect, I'll read a few of the things. the radio frequency exposure. The device operates at a 900h MHZ range to transmitting a few seconds to minutes per day. The RF energy is considered low with exposure decreasing with distance.

Uh cancer concerns. Americans Cancer Society notes it is highly unlikely that smart meters increase cancer risk due to extremely low-level RF which is less than that of a cell phone. And basically the the readings from these meters are basically like four text messages a day. So I mean there's there's a whole array of things but those are the two main topics. I just you know I don't see them as a risk. I have one in my house. It doesn't, you know, we have like again when you repetitious with electric meters, I know there are concerns when you keep adding, but everybody has a cell phone. Nobody's going to take an opt out on a cell phone.

Understood. Um, all right. So we will I guess revisit this a couple years from now when uh all kinds of asleep for right now because we haven't we basically passed the opt out that there is an opt out where we haven't said associated a cost with it and we've had a lot of discussions that there shouldn't be a cost. I feel there should be.

Okay. So, just for clarification for um the billing for the for the water department's billing, we are just going to accept a request for opt out and make a a note of that and allow that to be um so that the operators will continue to take readings the way they have been until such time the board determines there should be a Yeah, because you're going you're going to have to continue to have two systems in place for the next two years or whatever it takes them to replace all the meters. Exactly.

And just so the board's aware, um, as part of your analysis, you can't go back retroactively. So, you wait two years. No, absolutely folks out because they're still going to be outreach who opt out have a free two years or whatever it takes. I just want and things may change between now and then too, but I'm just trying to put something out there. Understood. Thank you. All right. Uh the next one, I jumped the gun on this. Um I'm going to be we're going to be introducing this on uh the 25th. So, I did circulate an email, a draft email, as to entity disclosure. Uh your planning [clears throat] board attorney um provided a a small comment. I thought it was perfectly appropriate. I've already made that change. Okay.

Um in the draft. Um, so, um, I'll have this ready for introduction on the, uh, 25th. Good. Um, motion to table. I'll make the motion. That's a second. All those in favor? I I I. All right. Is there a motion to head into executive session for personnel? I'll make the motion. I'll second. All those in favor? I I I don't believe there will be new business on the way back out, but never know. There will be new business on the way back out and will be of course executive session in case anybody wants to go home. Did I? We could do that if you want to do that real quick. Yeah, it's super duper quick. All right. Is there a motion to come out of executive session? I'll make the motion.

There's a motion in a second. All those in favor? I.

All right. There's some new business that we will handle before we head into executive session in case somebody wants to go home. Um so uh one of now that your uh community preservation fund uh state authorizing legislation has been uh signed by Governor Hokll um it's now time for the the town board to implement that. As part of that uh we need to adopt a preservation plan. Um in in that effort there's actually going to be three local laws. There's going to be a local law establishing the fund, a local law adopting the plan, and then a local law implementing the tax. Um, to do that, uh, you have you have a draft plan. Um, I think there's some markups. That plan was from 2019. That was prepared by, um, Alan Sorenson's company, who he is now the Orange County, um,

planner. So, we can't use him. Um, so what I'm asking the board to do is authorize me and Linda to uh request proposals uh for a planner to update that plan given its age. Um, I don't know that it's a huge uh rewrite, but I think we should have a planner take a quick look at it given that it's over six plus years old. Um, and I'd like to get that going now um to give them a couple of months to do that. Okay. Absolutely. So, if I could have a motion to do that, I will make the motion. I'll second. All those in favor? I I Very good. Is there any other new business?

I have one just quick. It's from Lydia Quadros. Can you please give a simple explanation what the SLPAC bond redemption means? Does the town get back 665,000 or are you paying off 600? No, we're we are paying off the uh the performing arts center bond. Basically, what's left over on the bond? Yeah, that's that's what that means. All right, we're there's going to be public comment after executive session, so no one needs to worry about that. But I don't believe there will be new business at this time now. So, all right. Is there a motion to head in executive session? I'll make that motion. All those in favor? All right.

It's all good. We try our best. You good, Michelle? Thank you. Uh, is there a motion to come out of executive session? I'll make the motion. I'll second. All those in favor? I I There is, uh, no further new business. Correct. All right. Um, is there a uh are there any public comment? Yes, please.

Chris Mau, Sugarloaf. Um, I understand that it's going to be about two years before you do decide on the uh an opt out fee, which again I oppose. But I'd like to get this into the record now. Anyway, I had some questions. How much does the cellular endpoints, how much do they cost each? I don't know that information. Okay. So, we can get for you. It's $200. Okay. Each. And I'd like to know how much I don't have this information. How much it costs to install each one. Do you know that? I guess it's going to be based on time frame and

the work it's the manpower hours the working hours and so how much are they getting per hour and how many hours and how many cellular endpoints like there need there needs to be some math here um also how much per month does it cost as far as the um Wi-Fi per household that's written into the agreement somewhere I don't I don't think we have that off the top a dollar a month okay so we are figuring money for people who are opting out. What about us who are opting out? Why why do we have to pay all this money to have other things installed? Like it goes both ways is is my point.

We uh we had um discussed all the benefits um a couple times throughout 24 and 25 um you know of the cellular endpoints of which I can send to you again. Uh right. But do you understand my point? You're you're thinking about again a couple years from now and again I just want to get this in the record.

You're thinking about charging us for what it's going to cost to have a meter reader come to our house, but yet we have to pay for everyone else to have this installed and have to pay for the hardware. and you're not you're not factoring that into your your calculations and I think you need to look at both things because it goes both ways. Okay. Agreed.

And also you brought up the health parts. I don't want to go over everything because I already did but my concern is the privacy issues. There have been a lot of points where either they can be hacked or law enforcement can look at their your water usage for a number of things. I just I don't I don't like the lack of privacy. So that has to be considered as well. So that's all I have to say. I'd just like to have that put in the record.

Thank you. I do have something here on operational risk and its infrastructure security is labeled under while designed while designed with and often using secure secure private nex networks rather than public internet all loot devices have some theoretical thought minimizing risk for data breaches.

But it doesn't have to just be data breaches. What I'm saying is the FBI can say, "Oh, I'd like to see Chris Mau's water usage because we want to make see if she was home on that date or if she was committing a crime." And it's been done. I mean, this has been people who have smart meters. This has been done there. You can I mean, you can look out. This can all be set with protocols also just like that. Protocols. The police have protocols in place for the cameras that are out there. And you know how I feel about the cameras. I know, but they're they're out there. Well, doesn't make it right. We're losing our privacy. We're losing our freedoms.

Thank you. Okay. Thank you. All right. Is there any other uh public comment? Good job. Anything online? Nope. All right. Is there a motion to adjourn the meeting? I'll make the motion. Is there a second? All those in favor? I We are