Historic District Review Board - Regular Meeting

Hey. Okay. Uh 70 main street not physical. How are you?

You have a nice sketch explain very roof in the back of the stairwell. Okay. Do you have any uh photos of I do? Yeah. Exactly.

Right where the Velcro door is. That's where the basically the new door is going to be with the shed roof. Yeah. Windows going to get closed in basically. Do you have an overall photo of the rear of the house? Like a larger shot? No, I do not. That's about all I have actually because I was trying to capture that.

Yeah, I'm I'm I'm flying completely blind other than the onepage drawing. I I don't know which house this is. And and we asked for pictures about a week and a half ago and didn't get anything. So I I Okay. Yeah. I don't know what we're really talking about other than the drawing. Do you need any better pictures? Is that uh Yeah. I mean, I specifically had had emailed Abigail and I believe she forwarded it to to to you or to somebody else that applied asking for pictures of the front of the house, any views from the building.

Yeah. um zoomed out so we can get context of that building uh next to how how it interacts with the surrounding buildings etc. Unfortunately, this is all I have for now. All right. Can I see? Yeah. Right. You're talking about replacing the uh that closer pump going to come out and I'm just going to build on top of the stairwell that's currently there. Uhhuh. And close

as possible. Just a door so that he stays out of the weather to get down into the basement. Okay. And and how high is the this uh um shed roof? Yeah, it's going to be about seven almost 8 ft right to here. It's about 710 to the top of the header. Okay. Now, how does that how does that meet the the window? The window he said is being filled in.

It's going to be filled in. It's going to become actually the highest part of the roof is going to go right above the window and then this shed roof which is that point and this shed roof will come down to the door header. Okay. So, this is uh in the back of the house. Back of the house. Yeah. Driveway's right here. Parking's like here. Couple of parking lots. And that's the back of the house. Corner is pretty much right here. I wish I had a I should have had better pictures for you. All right. Uh 2x4 walls. What's uh Yeah. What is that? What is on top of the 2x4s? Is

going to be a double plate on top. I'm talking about the, you know, in other words, uh, when this thing is constructed, what are we going to see? You're going to see walls starting on the walls. I brought a piece. You see that? Okay. That's it. It matches the profile of what's there. This is the fing just a basic architectural All right.

All right. I you have to understand that once we give our approval to something, it goes on to the the building inspector who supervises the of course the installation of this. Yeah.

And uh I I don't think we have enough information here. I mean uh where this is for example of the fact that uh you know the window there's a window that is going away uh you know needs to be indicated somehow uh where this roof is with respect to the house. What's the relationship to this the the uh uh the post that is what is that just a little that's just a brace honestly this this post is supporting it. Okay.

So my wall is going to be right and above above the window. Okay. And how about the brace? What happens with the brace? I'm pretty much going to just move it outside of my new wall just as an extra. It doesn't really need that brace. This is supporting it very well. All right. But what what is that? I mean, it looks like a little What is that? Yeah, it's just a little balcony for the second floor. All right. There's a door up there. I mean, there's just there's just so much information that is missing that I think that we can't really review it right now. Okay. Uh, I mean, uh, why don't we let's make a list of things that if you give me the list, I'll get whatever you

Okay. No problem.

Okay. So, one are photographs of the entire back of the house.

Back and she's not as she's traveling. Okay. So, it's this house, right? Todd just sent me this. I think it's this house. This is the front of the house. Yes. Yes, that is the house. Yeah, it's directly behind in the rear. Um, elevations and obviously we're talking about uh sketches. Um, three elevations. Uh, right. Right. Front and the two sides. Right.

Of the of what I'm doing. Yeah. Okay. Front and sides. Two sides. Um. Okay. And we need all uh indication that the windows that the windows being uh filled in. And if you could, you know, I know you have that photo, but if we could see the cladding too, we have a context,

right? Yeah. Right. Yeah. Okay. No problem. in the window too. But yeah, that's sort of all part of it the cladding. All right. And uh three is a samples of the siding which you have

and the roof that you have. floor plan so we understand how far out the extension I guess the elevation elevation. Yeah, maybe that's fine. Are there stairs? Is there a new back door? There's existing stairs going down when you open the bill doors. So, you're removing the Bilco door. Keeping the existing stairs that are now going to be somewhat exposed. He actually wants to redo them stairs because they're kind of steep. We just laid out terribly honestly very uncomfortable getting down there. We should we should have some

I'll give you a detail of that of the rise and run all that. Right. And photo of the existing stairs. Okay. And a drawing of the new proposal. Yeah. Can we think of anything else? Um, there's benefit for the death period. Okay. It's going to be pretty simple honestly. Just some tone boards

for the structural element. Are these just 2x? No, they're going to be 2x4 walls and I'm going to trim them out. They will be trimmed out. will be trimmed out. Oh yeah. All the corners, siding, the door trimmed out. Yeah. Completely weathered weathered tight. So there's going to be a door in the front. Yes. Lally here. Okay. There's no longer stairs going down to the basement with a door below. You're saying there's going to be. Yes. Still going to be, but we're going to redo the stairs, relay them out.

Okay. Okay. So, the door wouldn't be visible in elevation. It would be below. No, it's visible right on the driveway. In other words, it's going to be it's going to be this little It's going to be right here. Do we need the door and you go down this down the stairs? Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, right. That's why we're talking about the siding. I was thinking we're watching fighting for the window, but you're literally wall Sarah. Wall roof. Holy cloud. It's not a It's not a porch. It's a enclosed space. Yeah. Yeah. So, the door. This is the roof. I don't want to um bring it back.

Bring it back. Um I I guess the other question is uh is there any electrical work like lighting and stuff like that? Would have an outside light. Oh, yes. at the door. I I'll delineate that. Yeah, but that's probably all maybe like inside. Well, inside is not not going to be that much of a deal for us. Uh we're really more interested in what was visible from the outside. Absolutely.

If you're buying a door, we should see a spec sheet for that. Yeah, I have the door here, but I'll I'll get a caution outside light location, right? Mhm. And if you have the cut for the light too or whatever, that would be good.

I can get that any gutters down that to be honest with you. Well, it's so small.

It's small. and and you know and realistically uh if if you don't have a a gutter probably uh the overhang on the the roof should be far enough so that it doesn't drip into the door. So uh I I think that's something that you need to work out as far as how how you're planning on doing that. Okay, I'll do that. I mean, if you have a gutter, then I would say a leader spilling out someplace nearby so that it doesn't, you know, flow into the stair the, you know, the staircase going down. Yeah. We can take it out here. Yeah.

Is this the share driveway condition? I don't know what the exact lot configuration is, but it's not I don't think so. I think it's only for a 70. As far as I know, it's not my house. I think there's a garage for the There is a garage isn't that 70. No, I think the garage is for the house, the blue house next door. I'm pretty sure. But I see the I really don't know. Yeah, I see those kids running up and down that driveway. So, I'm assuming it's stairs or shared driveway and not um I think someone shot. Yeah, I think so. So, maybe it is shared. I'm not aware of it.

Was thinking about where the down spout is. So it should just be it should be I think considered as far as where you can figure it out this way which is which is the other way or or just in general just the idea that there's neighbors that are sharing that space. Okay. Can I not put a gutter? Can I not put a gutter? Yeah, you cannot put a gutter. And the only thing I would suggest is that you have enough of an overhang that you know the water drips doesn't drip into your stairwell. Okay, I got you. Let me let me go measure. Yeah, I mean it's something that you know you can work out. There's no Yeah.

Nothing fancy. And what material are they proposing the new stairs to be? Oh, yeah. Concrete. Yeah. Yeah. or they want to, you know, maybe dig some of them out cuz some of them are like this high. It's just very hard getting down there. The stairs. Yeah. The cut existing concrete. Are they meant to be relayed out? Well, if that So then you're rebuilding this the steps. The steps? Yes. Not the sides. Okay. Not the sides. I'm going to leave intact. I don't want to disturb. All right. Because um those are pretty solid in and sound.

Yeah. The just keep in mind that if you do new stairs uh 11 in treads, 7 in riser 711. Yeah. It looks like this if it was a hatch before and it's becoming enclosed. It could be egress stairs now, right? So it could be occupiable space with a changing vo etc. So there's a lot of code that needs to be considered for that to be a safe space. Well, I'll give you a drawing of the layout of the stairs. Well, it if you're rebuilding the stairs, then yeah, it should be should be part of your submission because ultimately it goes to the building inspector. Okay.

711, but that's not it can be a little bit There's a range. There's a range here. I don't think so. Okay, I'll shoot for that. Well, I especially if there were egress there 71 is is in fact the standard now. I mean, it doesn't change hasn't changed.

Yeah, tread tread is leage. Um, and what you may wind up doing is, and you know, you need to sort of take a look and see, uh, the impact that has on the stair itself. In other words, it may wind up pushing, um, you know, the the first step further out. All right. I'm going to have to figure that out. Yeah. And I will run. I should be good. All right. Okay. deny homework. When's the next meeting? Um

third of December and then Okay. You take you take the material the first week of the month. First of the month. The first of Yeah. the materials are due the first of the month. First of all, December 1st materials. How do I submit them? Um Yeah. December 1st. That's the deadline. Yeah. For materials, right? Yeah. The mission. Yeah.

Well, these drawings don't need a stamp. Can I do these drawings? We There's nothing that we uh we don't enforce that. I mean, ultimately what you may wind up doing is you may have to talk with them uh when you submit for a permit because that's that's basically what you're getting. You're going to be submitting drawings to us. It'll then go to the uh the building inspector and he's going to issue a permit. Yeah, I've already had that conversation. So, okay. I got all righty. Thanks for your time. All right. We all get this all back to you. Thank you. You're

welcome. Thank you. Good luck. Thank you. Good night.

Hey, 20 Parrot Street. Joseph Luca. Uh, hi. Um, I'm representing Infinity Energy for him. I'm sorry, but we can't we can't hear you. Sorry. Uh, I'll try and adjust something. Uh, is this any better? Yes.

H, sorry about that. Um, I'm representing Infinity Energy and, uh, representing it. Um, I'm sorry I didn't catch your name. Uh, Alex, sorry about that.

Okay. Um Kaylee, so tell us, Alex, what are we doing? Um installing solar panels um on the roof of the main house and on the garage. Uh the main house, that would be the only thing visible from public view. Where is the garage in the back? Yep.

Oh, I see. Okay. Um, anybody have any questions? Well, I guess mine is the regular question of conduit where the conduit will be located and how it will get up the side of the building and around non I'm sorry. Can you say that again?

Um, can you just explain where the conduit is going for the solar panels? Um, I' I'd have to double check. Hold on. Is is um is the connection is a uh is there an external um what the hell is it called? Does the the uh the solar power reverse uh the flow of the meter or how did how was the electrical connection work with this?

Uh it wouldn't reverse the flow of the meter or anything. Um but I thought this was um I mean it just should work standard like it's not going to reverse the flow. Um the conduit I believe is going to be located on the side of the house. Um not visible to um public on which side of the house is that the yellow line that I see in the on the side like Yeah. Uh I believe it'd be around there. Yes. Beginning at the house

panel presumably placed next to our terminate the electrical panel beside it. Uh, typically, yes. Do you know where that's located? Um, we just want to avoid conduit like running down the front face of the house, right? So, usually Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's it's not going to be running off the front of the house. I know. We just need it located just to

All right. Um, would it be possible for me to get back to you on that? I'm not I thought this would just be about the aesthetics on the front. Um, you know, off what I have here, I'm not 100% sure, honestly. But I I I know it's not going to be at the front. So, is the micro inverter and those are up by the panels, not visible like sort of underneath the panels. They were all what panels?

They're uh the micro inverters. I just included all that equipment to be thorough. Really, the panels are going to be the only thing visible. The micro inverters are sort of under each panel, but maybe I went a little overboard. Those were more for the purpose of the uh building inspector, but really the panels are going to be the only thing visible. Uh the uh micro inverter is sort of located underneath the panel, not visible to the human eye. Underneath what the solar panels? Yeah. Yeah. Uh there's one for each of them. Okay. So then how about the combiner?

The combiner panel that would be located uh I believe side of the house close to that um yellow line that you're seeing that we referenced before.

Do you have any information on the structural attachment to the roof? Uh well, that was all uh I believe for I have that all referenced in the information for the building permit. I already uh gave to them. I didn't know if I'd have to bring that to this meeting because I thought it was all more about aesthetics, but we have a load letter stating that the roof is structurally sound to hold the panels. How far off the uh roof plane is the top of the panel? Uh I mean, again, I' I'd have to reference that. I thought this was more about the aesthetics given all that information to the building inspector.

Some of these questions I know they might seem aesthetic, but they you know old panels used to be quite high off the roof, right? They're they're not they they're not that high. I would need to double check all that information, but I I didn't bring it with me because I thought it was more about the location of the panels and everything, but they're not going to be that high off the roof. And all that information is included in the uh building permit packet. I just didn't bring that with me. I thought it was um the information you requested for the uh historical review board that I need just and such.

Okay. So, what you're telling us is that it it's doesn't it's not reversing the uh flow of the electric meter, right? And I see that it's got a battery. So that's what the solar panels uh charge. It does not have a battery. It does not have a battery. That would be a different I mean I I let me double check that. But I I don't believe this one has a battery. That combiner panel is not a battery. Yeah, that's the same that we have. And that just sends it back to the grid. Right. Oh, where is it going? Yeah,

like so where is this going on the facade of the building? So that's one. Should we start to just itemize quickly what we'll need? Would it be helpful at this point to just itemize the the open items that we would need from him? Yeah, I um I I'm just trying to understand the system that you're that uh you guys are proposing. Um it doesn't have a battery and it doesn't reverse. No. So it it does slightly over it offsets uh it will offset whatever energy they use. Um it's a calculation by the power.

Yeah, it's not necessarily always rolling it back, but maybe we're only offsetting a certain amount of the energy. So maybe it's not necessarily rolling the meter back, but I believe in this case we're only off offputting a certain amount of energy and then he has to pay however much he's still using of the um you know energy company's energy.

So it's a financial offset all of the power going. Okay. Um, and what if we get them to tell us what pieces of equipment uh we're actually going to see? I I mean, I I I don't know if we need to have them resubmit just to identify the things which uh are going to be mounted on the outside. Now, I I guess my my question is that where is this combiner going to be located?

I would really have to I'd have to to be completely thorough, double check, but I do believe that on this photo it is um where that like the yellow line sort of begins from the house that sort of goes to the uh garage. I believe it's at that first point. Okay. But how back right of the house where it really wouldn't be visible from public view.

Well, you've got this the yellow line is right down the the driveway. So, I would assume that that would be very visible to anybody walking down the sidewalk. And and the question really is is that you've got the the yellow line. Yeah, sorry. The yellow line going across the courtyard. Is that I mean is it above ground, below ground? No, that's going to be below ground. Okay.

Mhm. I wonder I mean I'm feel like we've seen a lot of these at this point and that similar if there's a way to your point to not have them come back next month to provisionally approve with open items that he has to submit before he gets a certificate of appropriateness. And we can list what those would be. And as long as the locations of of those are consistent with what we've previously approved, then we can move forward. Well, I I I guess uh we have the information on panel, right? The

yes, the panel itself, we don't have the height offset. We don't have the conduit runs. We don't have the electrical panel location where the combiner will um be connected to. Um, other than that, presuit is below ground. We can just annotate that on our drawing if that's what you're saying. Um, and then I think we're basically there. I could submit that all to you first thing in the morning. Uh, I I apologize. I thought since I submitted that with the uh building permit packet that uh perhaps it was available. I I should had that with me. I'm not really familiar with these um boards. This is my first historical one at least. No worries.

Yeah, we've done enough of these now that hopefully we can line it for you. Okay, so now the power [laughter] of here. Sorry, I have building. Okay, this might help. Hang on. [laughter] Thank you. I wish I had it um on me. Um right there. I think investing. Okay. And it locates all you know existing exterior utility meter. That's ultimately the what we're tying into. Right.

Right. diagrams, right? that somewhere. And I guess as far as the uh the garage, it's only one unit as opposed to

um does it have a So, there's the mounting on the on the roof. 4 and 316

and 716. Okay. Um I I think it was a old package at least. Um did you submit a uh electronic version of this package? um that I I wouldn't 100% remember because I submitted that one a while ago uh and then got referred to the historical board. I'm not 100% sure on that.

All right. Because the thing is is that I I have to extract certain sheets and and put together a package for us from this. Uh so the the roof access so the the red is actually just a walking surface for like fire safety. Yeah. Right. so that they can view that.

Now, uh I I guess the question That's so the 1- in PVC conduit run is below grade.

Uh I'm sorry, would you say that again? Yeah, this is um 18 in below grade. Uh that's the conduit run between the garage and the main house. Yes.

Do we have any other questions? So, I was hoping to get on the internet to just look at the elevation of the house from street views, the side elevation. Um, but I think even if I don't love it, it's maybe what it is. It's where No, I don't. Yeah. Any questions, Lauren? I don't think so. Okay. Do I have a motion concerning this application? Approve the application as submitted

as submitted as submitted to the building and inspector. Okay. Um check to see if you have submitted electronic version. If not, if you could send it to uh Okay. You know, so that I can take what I need for our Okay. Um, so we have a motion. Second.

Let me All right. Do we have a second for the motion? All clearly say I. I. I. Hi. Oh, okay. Hey, Kimberly. Hi. All right. So, uh see the A it was approved. Um and it as soon as you get me that uh the information, I can process the certificate of appropriateness.

All right. Um, do I just email that to I believe I had Abigail's email or Okay, thank you. And you'll put it on Well, you know, forward me a copy that. Okay. 230 Main Street. Hi.

Sure. Yeah, this is my dog.

Yeah. too. Um, so okay. So, okay. Yes. Great. Yeah. So, you're not going to see the fence because it's going to be behind these arrived trees on the inside.

Okay. We can't take that into consideration because plants die and if they're not maintained or they're removed but a 4 foot high fence is it just this enclosure or well yeah so it's this way that this is this is this is stuck garage. Okay, that's the house. And then here is the patio, right? Okay. And then it says the gate. So the gate would go right here.

Right there. So we've created a safe space for the dog to roam around. Let's see what the fence looks like. And then since it's a neighbor's fence, it grows up against. Is that the idea? Okay. So, it'll the fence will be on the other side of those trees or behind these trees and behind those trees. Yeah.

Okay. So, you can see their fence like through there, right? Yes. Okay. Yeah. The only visible section

of that. Yes. Yeah. Mhm. Okay. Um, so the the gate hang the gate is here. It is going to be off to the right. I know. Yeah. Yeah. It's It's on Cedar. You You won't be able to see it from there. You see it from Cedar. And um this is the gate that you want. uh the Dallas.

Yeah, it's uh but it's going to be straight cut, not not curved down on the sides. Just a simple cable, but not that little shame there. Correct. Um and without the diamond. Um but it'll be painted white to match what's there already. And then is this this one or this one? We're not particularly definitely mind. I guess uh you know question really is is because uh we can have a stop gauge fence in the back, right? Yeah. Not in the front yard. Yeah. For the front

per our standards. Yep. Yeah. Okay. But I think that all of the fence as we see it is in the backyard, right? Yeah. I mean, technically it's a corner property, so I don't know if there is a backyard or a sideyard, but um I don't think I think this would be considered side or rear. I I think the front is on Main Street. Yeah. Would be considered typically on Main Street. Don't Don't you agree? Oh, this is Is this next to the town hall? Yeah. Oh, right. Okay.

So, I remember the application. Okay. Now,

so I believe that the L-shaped fence is along is the the front and then the side. It could be considered side and side, but it's not rear until it passes the rear of the house on the side. So, if you see a back, that would be considered rear. And then this elevation, because it is a corner lot, I believe technically you have the same zoning offset as it would be a a front lot, even though arguably it looks like the side of the house. And so, um, if that's it for zoning, I would also consider this a a front elevation. Um, so both this moment and this moment, I I would think we need to treat um differently than the side fence. Um, sorry Todd and Kim, I'm pointing at the map, but basically when we looked at this, um, uh, I forget her name now. Uh, for the couple, he's British. They have a young son. The dog was going to jump over the fence. They were looking to do a fence. Um,

yeah. Aries place. And so, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. how high the fence could be and the and if it could be stocked and we determined that part of what is the sideyard once it passes the house is where it can become this the taller stockade fence because then it's part of backyard so that's what I'm pointing at here um and then from that point forward um and then on the the facades that are planer to Cedar Street and Main Street I believe would be treated as is front yard.

Well, the only part on Cedar Street is just the gate and the side and the wings of the gate. Right. Right. It's a long opening. So, it's gate and fence. Right. The whole thing is in a Well, this this is the opening that we're talking about. Yeah, that's the gate. So from here to here and that's a total of four feet. No, that's a four feet high. Everything is four feet high. So I think Oh, it's a double door cage. Something like that. Okay. And then I guess I thought it was going under under the house too to the

Well, there's there's right now there's like this this sort of um pull down shade that that comes down that's either going to be locked down or I'll just myself put some, you know, something to stop the dog from getting through. Well, th this is this over here. The deck is this. Yeah, that's right. So, in fact, the the fence will go under the deck, right?

That's right. I mean, it'll just be like boards, right? Matching that. I mean, I think the option could be to have it continue contiguous with this fence and the material if you might do that. It's just I'm not particularly fixated on on the stalk this one. I mean, I can do the other one as well, but um it just seems to me that one of the others probably not going to. I mean, I I I take your point that the trees can suddenly disappear, but you know, I hope not.

I don't think at least I don't have an issue with the fences engaged in any of the proposed locations. It's just about the design of them. And um I I worry as far as being consistent with everyone about allowing sake if we don't allow it elsewhere. So I um So what would you prefer? the guidelines which I still haven't um [clears throat] I have them open if you want to read. Awesome. Thanks.

Um palisade or stockade fencing is not permitted in front yards. Rails and pickets should not be applied to outward facing sides of posts. Um, in general, acceptable materials are wood and metal. Pressuret treated wood may be used if painted and stained. Uh, avoid undocumented, overly ornate designs. Obviously, this is not ornate. Um, the fence should be no more elaborate than the trim elements of the house. Character of the fence should derive from the same period as the house. This is a pretty new house, so that's not really relevant. Um, non-p perimeter fencing visible from public right of way such as dog runs, enclosures for mechanical yada yada will be reviewed using the same criteria. Um, that's pretty much it. Um,

this is a pretty steep drop off one, two, three, three foot drop. Um, is that going to be any problem as far as keeping your dog in uh on this? Uh, four feet. It's going to be fine.

Okay. Um, I think that uh basically you've got front uh front yard or or uh you know uh fences for the front yard on Cedar Street and Main Street. So, I think that uh let's start with the this area here. Um, I think that as far as the gate goes, I I don't really have any

you get through the rest of it. [laughter] Thank you, Dad. Haha. Todd, you were off for brownie, but then you didn't get me because you're [laughter] um your style over it.

Well, I I I think yeah, I I think you know, if if you're willing to go with a stock with uh this system and the thing that you have to keep in mind is that uh it's run between from post to post. Uh I I think this would is obviously a stockade fence which uh our our guidelines don't uh allow. Right. So I think that we need to go with that the space picket. The space picket

um over here. Now I I think what you need to do is you need to think this a little bit through. Uh, how how wide is the the you know the the the path? Oh, it's um I don't know off the top of my head. Um but it's I guess it's 10 ft. Something like that. This to here? Yeah. What? From here? Yeah. No, no, no, no. I'm talking about from here to here. From Oh, there to there. Because that's where you're going to have your gate, right? Yeah. Yeah. I think he's close. say this is 15. You're saying that's 10 years.

Yeah, something like that. So, it would be here. That's where they get from that to that. Yeah. And that's 15. I mean, let's say 8 to 10. I I know. But and this this is going to be less. I would say this is Yeah. Because you're you're going to put the gate where where you have the paving. Yeah. That's right. There's going to be posts there and and then there's going to be more posts, right?

Yeah. I I I mean I I I you know, we were talking about uh one or two, but I think that in essence what we're talking about is this is going to be really like this. In other words, it's you're not going to have a gate under under No, not right. But he does want double. You do want double doors. I mean, uh I'm I you know, it I think that's the idea, but it doesn't have to be. Well, I I don't think you're going to fit double doors. Yeah. I think a single door would probably be more appropriate though for the neighborhood, right? To not have two large.

We can do a single opening. Yeah. I Well, I I I think that I think that that's why I was asking about the paving because basically the the gate's going to be in the paving. Yeah. And so, uh I think that to me just um it looks like it's about 4 foot. So, uh I I guess the question becomes if that's I mean I I have to I think if it makes more sense to have it just as one door swinging right or left, that's that's fine. I mean I I I personally am not wedded to double gated door.

So you want a p a section of fence and then the gate and then a section of fence. Is that what you're saying Al? That's I mean a very narrow section, right? Yeah. Yeah. Well, essentially it's going to run under the the porch and then on this side it'll be this is let's say a foot 18 in. Yeah. You know, let's say the post is here, but an 18. Okay. So, we're talking about this being over here. Um, a picket fence. Uh, this would have to be a picket fence. Even though the whole thing is a picket fence. All right. Whole thing's a picket fence. Yeah.

Now, what about this? Is this a fence or not? Where that's that's 10 foot. No, no, that that's showing the distance of the road dimension. Okay. To to the Huffman's access road, right? Okay. So, basically it's this, this, and this. Yeah. Okay. So, um the um the application is for a fence. Uh, and the the fence is going to be space picket.

Mhm. With a Dallas gate straight um with a single gate uh between the garage or in the house. Mhm. The patio, right? Uh do I have a motion for the wood? Yes. You're saying gate the gate itself will be similarly typically right it won't it won't be solid well I mean do you have do we have any objection to a solid gate if that's what I would prefer a solid gate just for privacy

um and that stretch it's it's pickets on either side though Um, for I mean we could for me I assume the guidelines meant the whole stretch of the gate can't differ. Um, you want me to read the gate section? Yep.

Gates define pedestrian entries as well as enclosed driveway entrances. Gates should be welcoming. In some applications, the purpose of the gate is to be restrictive, but care must be taken to minimize opacity and retain district character. Gates are subject to the same zoning height restrictions as fences. Gates should be of the same material as the fences they accompany, but they may incorporate other distinctive features. Where gates are set between masonry walls, wood or metal is acceptable. Gates may also be inserted between hedros where no fence or wall exists or affixed to either wood or masonry posts. Gate post terminations such as finials and the like should be to scale with the gate. Hardware on gates and fences is reviewed as well. This has this does have to be picketed. The game should be picketed as well.

Well, I'm I don't I don't have any objection to it being solid. I mean, capacity. It should match the surrounding fence unless it's like Well, it's match the the material of the surrounding fence. Read that again. I thought it said character. Yeah. Okay. It says gates um

gates should be of the same material as is the fences they accompany, but they may incorporate other distinctive features where gates are set between masonry, wood or metal is acceptable. Uh dot dot dot dot that is basically it. Yeah, but it does say to minimize opacity. I think sort of what what it means is there's a picture there is like the gate can have an archway or the gate can have like a sort of different door but should be similar to the surrounding fence. I think that's what we're saying too. Yeah. It's a not opaque um picket gate.

I think it should match the rest of the fence. Yeah. And if you're doing if you're choosing picketed, I think it should be consistent with you the image that's given where it articulates a bit more. I don't think the spacing of this example is the spacing that's required. I think you could do something that's um uh less physical, less I mean less space in between. Yeah, smaller spaces. So some examples the roller blinds that I have there, was that also approved? I mean, I could put a fine to it. I don't know. All right. Okay. Fine. We We'll do whatever you want.

Well, the thing the thing is is that it it can't The gate The gate can't The gate can't be this, you know, this framing. It's got to be different because it's got to hold its shape as it swings open. So, there's going to be like a a cross or, you know, a diagonal. Well, what keeps the shape? The two posts on either side of the gate.

Okay. But when the gate is open, age. Right. Or if the members are heavier, then additional structure would be required. But I don't think and what I'm saying is is that that fine, you know, pick it. I I understand that. But the thing is is that the framing of the gate is going to be different. I I find that proper because otherwise it's the door is not going to hold its shape.

If you look at page 21, I think Kate and Lauren, there's an example where there's a diagonal member there for structural support. So that's pretty typical. Yeah. Here's some other examples. Sure. So that has more articulation and is probably less transparent than this specific example. And then this is showing that cross bracing that was just getting pointed out. So you could add some elements. So with something like this uh that shape I mean I'll have to talk to my supplier but I should be able to something like that. You know what's the minimum like distance required? If we were to use the same spacing as the fencing now would that be sufficient for you?

Yeah the damage. Yeah. It'll be braced right across. Okay. Um we can find out. That's a good question. Okay. Um, no, we'll use this then if you're at that. Do I have a motion on the application? Motion to approve the application as modified. Okay. Do I have a second? And I have modified as basic ticket. All around. All those in favor say I. I. I. I I Okay, approved. Thank you.

Well, there's another one. You really should be asking for a big foot. Great. Zeus or a toe. Yeah. Yeah. We're gonna lead up to another fence like the dogs, but he's totally harmless. It's too long for exactly great rejected look to the woods.

Let me thank you. Thank you. So, what's next? This goes back to the building department. Well, uh, what's going to happen is, uh, next this coming weekend, I will process a certificate of appropriateness and, uh, I usually do that electronically. Um, so I will, uh, email that to you when I email it to the building inspector. Okay. Then then on that basis, I can proceed and then the building executive office. Okay. Excellent. Thank you. Thank you. or saying

everyone. Yes. Nice to meet you. I think the PowerPoint as well. Great. color version. Yeah, this is color. That'll help a little bit.

Okay, so this is regarding a pool fence for 204 main. So, uh just for context, uh flip there's a picture of the property. So, uh, it's basically, um, between B Street and, uh, next one, Orchard, Orthood Street. Um, the main street exposure is very elevated and there's really no uh, beautiful anything from from that vantage point, especially lower. Uh so basically if you flip to the property map pool fence uh pool fence is effectively right you know north part of the property and virtually the entire property of any part that is exposed to the fence uh outside of Main Street which again is very very remote vantage point can't really see any the property there uh but basically everything is surrounded buy other properties. So, u So, this is Mountain Avenue and you just have a slew of other properties there. So, um we did go ahead. So, this was uh swapping out an existing fence. Uh so the the prior fence was uh very uneven, dilapidated. Uh it was actually a safety concern for uh preventing the kids and the dog from entering and getting through the pool area. So uh it was a little bit presumptuous on on our part, but we went ahead and changed it. It was basically it was a little gray as to whether or not uh we had to go through the HDRB board uh for

for the you know this this whole uh process but effectively the the prior fence was 6 feet tall uh it was dilapidated uneven and uh had some significant damages overall. So I think this is an example of a a fence that is clearly in the rear yard, right? So it's fine if this is up to six feet high. Yeah. So the new fence in fact is lower. So the new fence is so that kind of delineated between the the prior and the new. Which this is the new fence.

No, no, no, no. So this is this is all this is all the prior fence. So we the the new fence you you have a lot of pictures of the new fence which was basically Yeah. So the white picket and Yeah. So the white picket we we we took that one down. The previous one which was also uh broken down and we we changed it with 4 foot elevation one 4 foot height fence which is also if you notice it's a lot more straight. And virtually all parts of the fence, if you look at the property, uh are just we we basically move some soil around just to even out and flatten it out. Oh, but what's this solid one on this side? Yeah.

Yeah. So, that's that's the only solid part. Uh it was previously uh 6 foot solid and what is it in the past now? And now it's six foot uh solid pencil as well. Yes. So, that's the only part that that is six feet is the north facing side. And the rest is four feet with with these swooping uh six foot to 4 foot uh cascading patterns. What is the material? Material is synthetic. Um it's basically vinyl.

Vinyl. Yes. Um but it's really difficult. So the first of all, there's a lot of high gust winds uh passing through the property. There's a lot of moisture of course coming from the pool and whatever have you. So, it's just it's a safety concern because the wood uh the sun grades pretty quickly over the seasons. So, um that's basically the reason why we we changed it from the prior one because, you know, it's just a dog and the kids constantly have access uh to to those areas. But from a distance, it's really just well, first of all, it's not even visible to any any vantage point. Um, it's only visible to the neighbors really. And there's really two slivers uh on Mountain Avenue which I captured where you can see all the way to the back the new new pole fence mountain avenue views. You can see uh through uh the adjacent properties and see basically a little bit of it. strict rule that fences are wood and metal and all of these neighbors seeing a plastic fence and they might then think, "Oh, I'm allowed to fill the plastic." I think it's a really

So, I did take this one. So, I took actually I did take uh pictures of the neighboring fences. So, the fence right down the hill is actually white vinyl. which is basically parallel to my bullpens. Interesting. This is on the street. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, this might have dated or I illegally. But I

I mean really uh my concern is that the aesthetic of this is not appropriate for just historic property in general. I mean if you just like it's uh chicken coupe fences for the most part. Backyard fences. Yeah. Oh like a Well, some of these have maybe been installed before. I mean that's that one be before the um historic district was created perhaps. I'm not sure but it's just it's a mess back there. I

I can't if I took my lead from what was happening around uh around me I I don't think that would be a very favorable outcome overall. And there's also um we're putting in uh tree line as well the on the on the northern side. We started with the adding the tree line. And again, this is I'm just a little bit unclear because uh it's not really viewable for from most areas. This is visible.

Okay. Yeah, that's why I highlighted. Yeah. Um Well, is this a fence up now? Yes. Wish so you didn't have to get how how is it here now? Why why is it why has this come before us now? Because I was told that I needed to go through the application process. I upon you know it was my oversight because basically you know I was changing an existing fence. Mhm.

Uh and it was well within I mean it wasn't really adjacent to any of the properties and based on my interpretation it was invisible um from I mean it was it's basically surrounded by other properties. So Um, and so the building department told you you need a permit and then you have to come here. That's how I'm just I'm just trying to understand how that process that happened. Well, uh, I was I was told that it needs to be reviewed by you guys from the building. Uh, yes. But for the height as well.

I'm sorry. It says corner sweep. No, it's it's 6 to 4 feet. It's not 6'4 in four and the highest part is six. The absolute highest part is six. That's missed.

I I'm vinyl benefits for me are like I really wish you would have come. before I mean okay um I don't know others have any any anything to say that's [clears throat]

um I would have to vote I mean there's more than just me and Lauren I would have to vote no on Yeah. No, I I I tend to agree about vinyl fences. I mean, like there's a sentence in our guideline that says no vinyl.

Yeah, it's a it's it's an unfortunate situation. Obviously, like Lauren just said, that this was done prior because we we could have steered the ship right from the outset. I do empathize with you about the surrounding properties and the hodgepodge of fencing. I have a very similar situation at my house. I have eight houses that four on each side about my property and uh a lot of stuff happening in backyards is dilapidated and and chain link and a mix of of various things that would not fly um at all by our standards. Some of which certainly do predate um the guidelines and the and the board a lot. You know, maybe some of which were put in without permission. Um, so it is it is um you know I I I do empathize with that. I uh it's a it's an unfortunate situation um

because you know while it's not visible for Main Street, it is visible from the other streets through the yards. Um and our guidelines say no vinyl. So I mean I would defer you know to to a to a degree here. So let me uh so let me ask you about some remedies here. So I think Uh if I were to cover the Mountain Avenue portion with something else that's like another kind of fence line that would offiscate the vinyl. What would that do? Or is there any kind of remedy that can be done here?

Tell me in plan what what you're talking about. It's the red line over here. So basically Mount is that is that the tall Yeah. So all this all the picket stuff is not visible from anywhere. It's really just this part on Mountain Avenue which is the

Yeah. It's really the mountain. So really all we're talking about I think for the most part is uh it's it's not the pickup fencing which is four feet tall and is bored definitively bordered and not visible from anywhere else. This is these are all pictures taken on my property with surrounding fence lines. So the only relevant vantage points that are in discussion here are what is visible through the neighbors other neighbors properties. So this is Mount Avenue and if you look if you pierce through that past whatever these uh situations are here with these kind of picket with the not picket you know metal whatever you want to call them fences uh you see the straight fixooter so to the extent I can cover that up with wood or something or a facade of sorts I I just don't I don't feel comfortable approving that because then in a sense we are still approving a vinyl fence which is not um which goes against our rules and and we can't

but again for everyone you know it's just can we agree that the parts that are visible are the issue here uh the picket parts and the other parts of the vinyl fence are not visible from any other point. That is the main part of is only the north side of the property. I'm happy to give you guys a tour, but I think right

I'm just thinking structurally about how that would be achieved and if it's if it's applied, if it's offset um it becomes technically fussy and I think then the height as well it needs to be six feet but not over and this but this fence is already six feet and then depending on the site where you're standing so you might of see the vinyl still above it stuff to me as an architect who doesn't deal with you know the technical all that often but I it feels I mean there's Lauren's bigger point but it just to achieve what you're looking for I don't see it it would be as simple as I like the the thinking but I don't I don't see it um

I could swap out the panels the vinyl panels with something else if That's at that point I then just would do the posts too and just get it right. Yeah, sure. Posts are presumably it's not vinyl. There's like a metal Well, yeah. Well, there's they're wooden posts that are just wooden post something to the structure is wood to hold it. the proposals, right? The one one layer of one one Yeah. One of the four sides is wood and the other three is vinyl is what you're suggesting.

Yeah. But that's not again that's not visible and nobody's really take I mean the people that are taking cues really have I don't know just I don't know what to say about the adjacent houses. So what we're talking about is replacing the the tall fence this part here. Yeah. With the one

or or covering it. I mean, there's there's some other kind of I can propose some solutions with that uh where it would just be another I mean, there's plenty of I think there's at least 10 ft or 15 feet in some cases uh to the adjacent property. So there's there's definitely things that can be done uh that would or just or even putting another line that's just wooden fence looking I mean even the existing you know because portion of the fence has these little pickets above it

and then uh further on down it's solid so you know the the even the tall vinyl fence is not consist resistant all the way across. I I think my preference or I would think that if we're going to replace it, if if there's going to be a wooden fence, there should replace the existing rather than trying to somehow salvage the

Well, I I'm But again, it's it's uh if you just have another facade fence that's independent within two feet of it. That completely blocks out everything. I think except how tall would it have to be? Yeah, cuz there's grade changes and there's no grade change. It's actually it's a plateau that extends for another four or five feet. There's space toward

No. I mean, grade changes across like from Mountain Avenue to this fence. Whether it's down or up, you'll be seeing it from different perviews. So, um, and then it just it gets it feels like a a band-aid that's aesthetically not like I'm not and then it still makes us approve a vinyl sense, which is rules. I mean, I feel for you. Thank you. I I would

I'm I'm trying to work towards something uh usable here because quite frankly, if I had to put in a wooden fence, I'm just not going to do it. Like, it's just it's going to be very wasteful and it's just not a good material to work with. Well, um we have composite materials that we have approved other than vinyl. Okay. Um was it Azac and I'm trying to think of what was the what other

like the bural the the fly ash composits that are that are paintable composits or hardy board type materials. Hardy board, right? Yeah. So, I can consult with switching out again the the six foot panels that are very visible. I can look into something I could swap with, you know, that is a composite or wood or metal, you know, not sure what would Well, we definitely approve wood and metal. Okay. Right. And also we have approved uh Boral Azac and what was the other one?

I think the Boral is like the fly it's like a fly ash composite material. I mean I I think metal would be astronomically expensive if you you you want privacy there, right? So you're you're looking for as much coverage with the fence as you can get. uh to create really thick metal posts would be yeah it just it would seem off for especially for a pool fence. Yeah. And then and also you know the uh these other composite materials can be painted white which would match the the vinyl uh the rest of the fence. Yeah.

Yeah. I'm I'm happy to uh research some some solutions for that. either swapping the panels or complementing it with something that is more appropriate. U well what do you mean by complementing?

So again um I I still have to research but what that would entail. So either modifying what's what's in what's in existence so that the only thing visible from the outside purview is not vinyl or just swapping out the panels. Now if if I remember correctly isn't Orchard Street u you can see it is the elevation of Orchard Street higher than Yes. Yes. Right.

There is in fact a so yeah I think in one of the pictures here. Yeah. So if you look this is uh over here this is the fence and there's about a 6 to 8 foot drop uh that yeah so orchard is elevated upwards about 6 to8 ft this is I think the elevation change is yeah it's about 10 ft but the elevation here for the pool is 195 and the highest spots which are more in line with where orchard sits is at least 205 so really just by the fall of the land, you can't really uh see anything there. And and then basically on on B Street there, you know, there's

but but if if the elevation's higher and you're over here, then certainly if somebody's standing on the higher elevation is going to be able to see uh your pool. No, because the properties are set pretty So there's a there's pretty deeply set properties. But the thing is is that even between the properties, you know, you're going to catch glimpses of what you have. I I mean, I I did a this is genuinely all I saw and I I did, you know, a whole tour around the block. Happy to revisit that,

but uh it's there's there's tree lines. The properties are, you know, set back quite a bit and they're pretty densely packed as well with driveways and, you know, whatever have you. So again, I think mostly the north northern part is really the only vantage point where you have any clearance to the funds.

All right. Um, do you want us to take a vote on this on as it stands now? Yeah. Well, I'm assuming it's

I know the answer. Okay. Yeah, it's it's not going to fly. All right. So, uh getting past that, um I I think that am I correct? Since the other the the low picket fences are not visible, we're not going to worry about them. Even though even though they are vinyl, I mean, that's not in our purview. I think we can take a walk around the block, right? It's the leaves are basically down now. So, We should probably go see if there's any concern,

right? But definitely we do know that the high the high stockade fence is something that uh needs to be addressed. So the question of how that is addressed. I I uh I think that um the consensus seems to be that putting something in front of it uh or uh somehow trying to mask it I don't think is going to uh to to me I I would have a hard time voting for that.

Okay. So, uh, if you want to explore options, I mean, we do, like I said, uh, there are composite materials that we have approved that certainly would be less or more rotistant than wood. Uh, and and uh, they can be obtained in uh, in fences, but I'll leave that up to you to to figure out what works best for you. Right. Yeah. And then if you want to come back, do some research and come back for the next

Yeah. So I'll I'll propose uh you know either plan A or a few options within plan B. Uh I think uh you know a quick glimpse and there there are some some options that that look very natural but we'll uh we'll run that through the ringer. So next next month. Yeah. Sure. I mean visible so I take care of that. And the um the materials we do for December 8th was that December 16th meeting. Okay.

All right. Uh and uh you know happy to have you guys over anything. Yeah. talk my daughter on there. Yeah. All right. Here's the thing. Uh if three of us get together, it's considered a meeting and that would have a donut. Oh, [laughter] yes. Fair enough. Okay. Thank you. Appreciate your welcome. Thank you.

Oh, we have a representative here for seven street. Yeah, my yellow I'm helping them out. They told me to appear tonight. Turns out that the fellow is not here. So, I don't know how they got this date. Um, was submitted to the building department, right? Um, I mean, it's open. Everyone is free to attend. Typically, when applications come before the board, a referral is required. But you're still free to be here if right? Yes. So I have to wait for the referral to come down or

not quite sure what the formalities are. Um do you guys typically discuss potential projects anyway or like a like a workshop? Well, what's the scope of the of the their work? Wait, just so many things we haven't done yet. Yeah. Sorry, but in general the scope of Well, I'm just I mean, you know, for example, if it's uh you know, I'm gonna make the front of the house look like the front of the house. Okay. All right. So, then it's a it's a it's a change. Yeah. Because we're going to put the apartment downstairs. She can't It's an upside down house. Okay.

So, that's what you have now. And that's what I'm proposing. All right. That that that's going to require a full muting. So, Okay. So, we just wait for the referral to come from the building department because we submitted everything and that's where I don't know how they got tonight's date and gave it to them. You know, that's Well, I mean, our dates are published online. Maybe they knew anything. Yeah, I don't know if they got it from the building department and they submitted everything. his materials or so all your

so there's seeing anything you submitted to the building department will be great and then there's additional requirements that we need and so if you have that and you can give it to Abby even I guess if the referral hasn't happened well I learned a lot tonight just listening that's why I was sticking around you know try and speed things up for everybody um all right I'll see where we're at with the building department Okay. Everything is being repurposed, the windows and everything. So, some notes. It's vinyl. Sorry. What's the address? Cedar Street. Cedar Street. Yeah. Okay.

All right. And uh just in case you're you're curious or uh uh there is some point of interest that you need to resolve our guidelines are in fact on uh the internet on the village website. Okay. So you can look look up uh pretty uh detailed as far as the information that they have and what's allowed, what's not allowed. We're allowed to repurpose windows and stuff like that. Yeah, that's basically very detailed. Yeah. Yeah. What you can do. They just put a new roof on. So, we're just going to match the same shingles on the little covered porch. All right. All right. Thank you.

All right. Thank you. Ongoing violations. Um so part I I think I sent all of you the village board monthly meeting minutes for our um so that's kind of setting up the setting building our case for other for another letter from us at some point which I was going to start drafting but then I thought we should this is a perfect example of something we should be talking to the attorney about.

Okay. And what and the attorney Let me write this down so I don't schedule. It's over here. December 1st at 7 p.m. December 1st. Yes. And there's the Google doc. Okay. Um with questions that I would like to send to him by the end of the week. Okay. So, if anybody has any more questions to add, um now is the time. Um because I think it would be good for him to have it a few couple weeks in advance, right? So he can be prepared.

Uh Lauren, you mean the um asking the attorney how we can handle violations in general and more specifically the fine. you know, instead of just writing the the the trustees a letter saying, "Can you institute a policy yada yada, ask him what we can do given what the code what are we capable of doing at this point?" And if if we need to get more clarity from the village board, I think, but I think it would be a good idea to talk to him first.

Yeah. And I actually I feel I I do think it's extremely important that we after we talk to him and he gives us guidance that we do express to the board our desire for a formal some sort of formalization of this process and when fines can start to be instituted. You know, last meeting we talked, I think kind of through around a 90day from the issuance of of the violation sort of thing. Whether it's that or it's something else, I think that Yeah, we we that's super important.

Okay. Take a look at the village ordinance chapter 64 because it has a whole section under foreign enforcement or the uh section or enforcement is there in its entirety. and it's not all that long because uh realistically we don't have very much power as far as enforcing our decisions. Well, that's why I think we need to express to the village board of trustees that we would like there to be some kind of formal system in place to enforce them, right?

And I think that's what I want to check with the lawyer first is like it says there's some kind of enforcement. Do we actually have that enforcement? Because if not, we're going to ask the village to because because we can't impose a fine. No, the uh village board of trustees can. Right. Right. Uh we can't issue a stop work order. The building inspector does. So all of our actions are through other groups. Right.

Now, lucky us. what we can do and and this this is something that we should probably talk to the like you said talk to the attorney about but before the meeting do take a look at the uh the the village ordinance. Yeah. I mean I think when Todd drafted that first letter you had looked at the ordin like you cite it. Yeah. So yeah. Well, well, the thing is is that uh uh you know what we can do is we can push we can request uh you know action on the part of either the the building inspector or uh the board of trustees.

It would be

yes 64-16 is penalties for offenses. This chapter shall be enforced by the code enforcement officer. No building permit shall be issued until all applicable provisions of this chapter have been observed. Any alteration to any improvement in the district that has not been reviewed by the review board or does not comply with the C of A or economic hardship shall be issued a notice to remedy violation and the code enforcement officer shall notify the village attorney for possible imposition of penalties as stated in this section. B. Any person, form, or corporation, including any owner, leie, contractor, or agent, yada yada yada, shall be subject to a penalty of not more than $500 for each day the offense exists and shall be liable to restore the improvement to its condition prior to the violation. Restoration shall be to the satisfaction of the review board. C. In addition, any said violator of this chapter may deem to be a disorderly person subject to prosecution in accordance with the terms, revisions, and penalties of New York State law. D. The mayor and board of trustees may also enforce this chapter by injunction. So, you are correct. The the board of trustees and the code enforcement officers is who can enforce this. But, you know, this says $500 a day. We need a framework How does that

I think I think we are in agreement that we are not asking the the trustees to fine everyone $500 a day. We need a framework to get to that point. Um so when someone says oh well this sounds difficult I may not just do it at all [laughter] like that's actually someone basically said that today we can say okay just heads up

like generally this is what's going to happen if you don't do it. Yeah, and I think that's very important, you know, for moving forward since there have been so many violations uh in recent months that we have kind of come up with that, you know, the onus is on us to to submit the violation to the trustees and to the code enforcement officer and we do that formally in writing in our monthly report and then there is a timestamp on when they are notified of the violation. Right? So then if we ask say can we do a 90-day whatever we whatever we collectively come up with the village attorney you know they are on notice formally certified mail for 90 days um or 120 days whatever we decide

right and and the thing is is that um all of the violations that we have identified I I I I would say 75% of them have not been modified or changed in any way. So, I think that um we certainly can go to the uh the board of trustees and to the building inspector and say, you know, we got a problem.

Yeah. Um, one of the things that we had in the monthly report was that um, I'm forgetting the address, but on Main Street where the Foundry Rose is now, um, that they that we now have board members have supplied photographic evidence that the windows had been modified. Oh, we're told like

and so what what the applicant um, said at the meeting and presented to us was actually false information. So, um, we were we said that we would write a new letter to them with the evidence that that wasn't true. Um, and then I don't know, take it from there. But, yeah. Well, I I think that that's all becomes part of the um the specific back and forth on as far as that applicant goes, right? But that's that's something we have to do. And I guess if you wrote the first letter, I'm assuming you would want to write the re the redo of that.

Okay. Um well, all right. You're talking about that uh foundry rose, right? Yeah. The windows. Really? Okay. Um and I wrote that letter. Yeah. Well, it was after they came and then you wrote a letter. Um I cited it in the minutes. Um but or not report. Yeah. Um well that's Pagonus, right? No,

no, that's Oh, I don't know. We don't know who the owner is. We had the applicant which was the Foundry Rose because they are the ones that did the alteration. Okay. because I do think I uh I think it's Pagonus. But anyways, speaking of Pagonus, what's the story as far as his application goes? You go somewhere. One depot. Yeah, one. He was just unavailable for the workshop that was scheduled. They never did anything off, right?

Um I can follow up and see. I would have probably preferred for them to be here to hear the date, but I didn't want any additional confusion. All right, we'll find a date. That's Let's go ahead and keep that one moving because we have nothing's on our plates. Yeah,

the image um just I'm going to send this to everybody, but the image that because this is when I took all those photos of the district, which is last year. Um it's from November 11th of 2024. And that's the image that shows, you know, that those windows that are currently there were not there

one year ago. So, the uh the legal uh training is scheduled for December 1st, 700 p.m. Um, so I'm sorry, I actually meant to send this email. There is court scheduled for December 1st and typically, give me one second. I'm going to see. It says 6 to 7. I don't know if the seven is guaranteed. And they typically use both rooms.

Okay. Well, I think it might Sorry, that's okay. I think it might depend on the kind of court that they're having, but it's safe to say that they're using both rooms. I can double check tomorrow, but um meet at like the library or something or do we have to meet here? Um boards have met at the library before. Yeah. Did we meet at the library? room or something. Yeah. I I mean, you know, I know the president of the library, so we can [clears throat] talk him into it.

Um I mean, do we want that room meeting room with the library, right? Do we want to just reschedu the library? Let me confirm the ending time. All right. tomorrow just to avoid and then um it might make it go faster if they have to get out of [laughter] No. No. Okay. All right. All right. Then let me know because you get at 7:30. I don't know when they're going to end. That's 6 to 7 on here, but I'm I cannot bet. Okay. So, just confirm and then let us know. Absolutely. Take it from there.

I mean, if we want to do the library, we can. I'm pretty sure we can do the library. Okay. But you know what we ought to do is pick one so that we're not if you if you'd be so kind. Just 12 16 hours. I can confirm that email in the confirm what their ideal ending like when they're absolutely going to be out of here. Just so you guys have their it's just more comfortable. You guys are familiar with this environment. So all right. So let me know tomorrow

and uh otherwise uh I'll talk to the library people to the librarians. Um okay, finish uploading the design standards to the website. Yeah, I just was thinking that we should do something about that because I know Kate made a Windows worksheet like a year and a half ago and

you know there's still are you know there I think there's minting information about building walls I remember you know there's like a reference to it but it doesn't exist. So I think it would we should tighten all of that up. So, um, I thought of forming a committee and people getting on it would be a good idea. Well, I I guess as far as finishing it up, I thought that we were done except for some uh appendices. Yeah, there's Yeah, but they're not done. So, we're it's just getting it finished and then uploaded to the website so that people have questions. Well, there

Okay. Um I because if I remember all right let me take a look what are the what do we have right now on the website I can't access the internet today so I've just only been for example I know the stonewall section is not there. Yeah, I'm sorry. I don't have to. Maybe can one of your trying to look it up for the chapel when they were considering a renovation that was non-existent. All right, let me let me look. Probably more. And it would be good to have Kate's window worksheet, you know, finalized and also upload uploaded. What do you want finalized?

Remember the windows worksheet that Kate put? Well, the the the window sheet that uh well, yeah, I mean that can be added on as you know uh I I guess I don't know if there's some any standard forms appendix that uh we have where we can add that or maybe that gets added into the the window uh section

when you click on the village website when you click cold ing um historic district design standards. It brings you to another page um where there are bullet pointed links. There are currently five design standards resource guide one, two, three and four are linkable to PDFs that can be downloaded. So where that leaves us is um yeah the resource guide five which is materials conservation paint six uh stone masonry seven sustainable building design and historic preservation and eight helpful resources those four are not complete. Um, Al, I know this this was like such a multi-year process and at this point it's been done for several years and I think that we got it over the finish line um because we kind of took these other things off the plate to be completely honest with you. I don't know whether you feel the same, but I I think we may have to respectfully ask Sean if he can if he h has uh you know is able to to help us a little bit because I know that Lloyd was liazing with the designer and that was its own excruciating process, but I I was not um

really involved in like the text portion of it. And so if these are like existing docu uh you know Microsoft Word documents that need to be just just copy edited or or completely flushed out I don't remember but I think Sean was maybe let's go let's go through each one at a time. What what's the next one that that was that needs to get done? Um five is resource guide five is selected guidance on material conservation paint. Okay. So in other words that that's a chapter on on uh paint

which um I don't know if we even have a draft of that. That's what I mean. I I I don't either. I I mean I I don't I I entered while this was already well underway. So I don't know whether this stuff was like being pulled from the old guidelines or or rewritten entirely. I don't know. So it sounds like we don't need Sean to do any work. We just need a quick meeting for him to say yes exists and this is the state like give right or it doesn't exist at all and we wrote it from scratch or whatever that Yeah. What is Sean?

Sean Yeah. Well, but Sean wasn't the one that was that was uh doing it. Uh what's the Well, he was the vice chair while the entirety of while this was being done. No. Yeah. But um the guy who was doing the uh the the design standards was Lloyd. Yes. Yeah. But he but he was Al I mean he Sean was way more on top of all of this than Al was. Al was liazing with the designer. But

no, no, no. The the thing about the designer was that we were using his his name uh as the and a lot of the um the the sketches and images that were in the original document and that's what he was liazing about. Um and it was something which would you know needed to get done because there was uh an issue of copyrights. Okay.

Um but the thing is is that he he's the one who kept all of the files. And so I I guess the question is is that did we get all of Lloyd's files? And is is Lloyd still in Cold Spring? To answer some of these questions, could we have like a couple people look into this? Sure. Like we could start with just somebody combing through the database and seeing what's in there, looking for this stuff. Um, what database? The Sorry, not Google Drive. Google Drive. Yeah. And looking through. You want me to do that? I can do that.

You want me to do that? And then let's see where how far I get and Okay. All right. After paint, what is there? Um, yeah, it's paint then it is masonry is number six. Number seven is sustainable building design. Okay. Well, well, masonry is something which I I think that we had some versions of that because uh as a matter of fact, I remember seeing some images where they were talking about different types of masonry construction. So uh that

I photograph yeah I photographed everything for the for the whole design standards and everything is all of my photographs are organized on Google Drive in you know there's a folder for masonry there's a folder for wood there's a folder for railings there's a you know that that's all organized it's the text that we are I think you know mostly yeah track down okay what's the next one um sustainable building design and historic preservation. Okay, that's a very broad Well, it maybe Kate Wood would write us a section on that.

I mean, maybe we could just take a preservation brief in there. Yeah. Uh the last one is called helpful resources. Okay. which is basically a sort of a bibliography, which is what we're doing with the library because that's what we sent to them. Uh a bibliography of u resources, books I have on hand.

Yeah. Well, we sent it to them and the question uh becomes that we should start shifting data there. Um I will uh generate an a u outline and uh because we have the um the worksheets for each of the buildings and we do have five, right? We have five. We started with the big everybody did their own buildings. So, we have five for as far as the buildings go. And uh you know, Kimberly, this is where we need to talk about getting some assistance from uh

uh we should, you know, talk to them and see if we can get some uh eager young minds interested in in getting involved in historic preservation. at that chamber breakfast. Kim, they were the um principal was talking about holding works and all the other options. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, I I reached out to them about that to to get somebody

Okay. The other thing is is that uh we separate from that should be files of um resources like photographs because uh we're not going to be able to include photographs or not very many maybe one or two photographs in the building files. So that means that for example the photographs that you took uh you know we should probably prepare an um a listing of of the the the libraries a listing of the of what is in uh a folder. Todd, in other words, you've got a bunch of photographs, right?

Can you um come up with a list of of what is what is on that file because we can ship that entire file over to the library for, you know, so that it's made available to the public. Yeah. Yeah, I Yeah,

because I know I have I have some file some photographs from Yan Thatcher. I also have uh some photo, you know, u I guess copies of postcards um that have street scenes which uh I can also send to them. All right.

Yeah. Um, I did just on on the drive, um, there is a 70page word word document which is the full standards from what I can tell. Um, and a lot of that is resource guides of which there are way more than seven. So I think it was like maybe we maybe there was talk of combining some to to try to lessen the scope but there is a lot of text there. So I will email that to everybody.

Okay. Anybody have anything else? A minute's backlog. Nothing for this meeting. What? Nothing for this meeting. All right. Yeah. Okay. All right. Do I have a motion to adjurnn? Motion to adjurnn. Second. All in favor? I I I

Okay. Night. Can I do it on the screen? Can I try it? Is it one of those?

Do I press pause?

All right. Up in your Percy space.