Town Council - Regular Meeting

the meeting to order if everyone will stand for the Pledge of Allegiance.

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

You'll remain standing for a moment of silence. You may be seated. I guess for upcoming events, Battle It Out will be in between meetings. Battle It Out is August the 21st, Chestnut Square Park, six to nine. Grownups, your moment has arrived. Step into the spotlight, revive your childhood fun, and go head to head in a thrilling battle royale style challenges. Earn points and claim the grand prize. Now, since I've never been, I have no clue what that's all about. So, Hayden, you want to tell me what that's about?

Yeah, so we'll have essentially a life-size game, right? So think Battleship that you grew up on as a kid, but playing it on a full-size volleyball court or Nerf battles and things like that. So if you're competitive and you like to win, we'll see you out.

Well, very good. All right. Well, I need to go this year. How many years have we had that a couple of years now? Third year. Okay. And then we will have a meeting before, but I want to go ahead and talk about it as rock the trail on September the 12th, the crossing past parks that way give you a little advance notice to, uh, Mark your calendar. If I'm not mistaken, that's a Taylor Swift. So I know we have a lot of Swifties in here tonight. So if you're a Swifty, make sure you're you're at the right. I know part of my family will be here anyway. But anyhow, so I look forward to that. That ought to be a lot of fun. Is that the only one that's being there? It's a long is that because I know it's like four hours in it.

another band to start it off that's more like nostalgic 2000s music.

Gotcha, gotcha. Well, very good, all right. Well, those are welcoming and upcoming events. Let's have mayor and council introductions. Let's start with, did I forget something? Okay, good, because I usually do. Clarence, why don't you start us off?

It's always weird to start when you say Clarence, start off introducing yourself, but I'm Clarence also Brooks Jr.

Crystal Buholic. Mayor David Cohen. Melanie Cox, town attorney.

Marcus McIntyre.

Adam McLam, town manager.

Very good. Okay. That, uh, we don't have any, anybody have any, uh, thing to add any additions or deletions? If not, can I get a motion to pass the agenda?

The motion to approve the agenda.

All in favor? Unanimous. Very good. We have some presentations tonight. It's my pleasure tonight to call my friend and all my friend and neighbor who I see around the neighborhood. I saw him yesterday or day before yesterday. I saw him in the neighborhood is Dr. Stephen Smith. Dr. Smith was here a few months ago with was it sweet potato pie? It was? You've now written another book?

I have.

Doctor, come on up and tell us about it.

Exciting stuff going on around town. We've got squid games coming up.

Books going. That's an inside joke, but okay.

Last time I was here, I wrote my book, Chef Harley and Sweet Potato Pie. It's about me and my daughter and a five generation year old recipe.

Dr. Smith, if you would talk it, take the talk. Oh, okay. Because there's people watching.

Oh, I forgot. Yeah, the microphone. Hi, people at home.

There you go.

Okay, and so it went really well. It's now on Amazon, Thrifty Books, and even in Walmart. So I'm gonna try to get it put in Walmart store. So progress is being made. In between that time, I wrote my second book, which is entitled The Box. And it's about all the things that you can do with a regular old cardboard box. And so I wrote it to remind us that you don't have to have a lot of money, just time spent with your child and an imagination. And it walks through my own true story of me and my daughter playing with things in a cardboard box kind of creations. Has activities at the end and a bunch of fun facts about cardboard to encourage non-screen fun and family interactions. And so I've been around some of the bookstores in Union County, including the Book Lady, who's fantastic. And if you want a copy of it, Amazon. My author name is Dr. Stevo. You can visit my website, which is now up. I did it by myself from the ground up. It took seven months. www.drstevo.com. It has the books for sale. It has free downloadable color and activity pages. music that i created where you can vote for your favorite one and free games nothing's going to be behind a paywall because i want people to interact and have fun for free and my website will be a good one for you to use to introduce your child to the internet in a space that you trust because it's secure lockdown ada compatible and nothing's going to cost you except for buying the book so Over there somewhere is a sign-up sheet, so if you want to attach to my newsletter, I'll send emails out letting you know if anything on the website updates. I got the best contest in the world in my mind, so I'll remind you when those contests start. if I'm about around town giving away books or at a bookstore doing signings so I'm trying to be as open as humanly possible but this is still the beginning I hope to turn this into a cartoon that might stream on like Netflix HBO something like that one day and so book two is out there and here it is I'm passing around if you want to see it I don't want to be a distraction to the meeting, though, because this fun stuff will make you forget why you're here. But does anybody have any questions for me? I'm Steve Smith, Dr. Steve Smith, formerly of the Public Safety Advisory Committee and the parks. If your kids play at parks or grandkids, I love it because I was like, I have to build these. It's a reason why I turned down a lot of jobs around the country after I got my doctorate degree. It's because I love living here with my neighbors, you all. Safe law enforcement. And so it's a good environment. And I plan to put it in my book and write about that too. So any questions? But thank you for having me either way. Sign-up sheet is here.

I'll pass that around. You can put your email there, and I'll keep it in there.

I'm not going to send you spam or crazy stuff, I promise you. And I'll answer any questions that you have. Steve Smith again, drstevo.com is the website. Wish me luck.

Dr. Steve, I've got a question for you. How's Sweet Potato doing? Is it doing pretty decent?

It's doing really well, and I haven't even started the formal marketing because I'm still setting up the infrastructure, but I even have it on sale at a bookstore in Los Angeles. Actually, when I was out there interviewing for our dean position in San Diego, I went by a store called Made in Compton, which is a Compton, Los Angeles store. They're revitalizing that area. And they sell books by all those founding rappers and entertainers and stuff. And I was like, would you sell my book please and he's like yes bring it on and he sold 27 copies of it so far without even trying and he wants like 50 more later and so it's growing it's growing and I can't wait to see how it'll grow when I actually start marketing the thing so THE THIRD BOOK IS GOING TO BE ENTITLED THE AIRPORT AND I'M REALLY PROUD OF THAT ONE BECAUSE IT WILL FEATURE SITUATIONS WHERE YOU'RE DEALING WITH PARENTS THAT TRAVEL FOR WORK AND THEY MISS THEIR KIDS AND THINGS ALONG WITH WHAT AIRPORTS LOOK LIKE THROUGH THE EYES OF A KID SO WE CAN REMIND OURSELVES THERE'S JOY AND HAPPINESS TO BE HAD EVERYWHERE. SO WHEN YOU'RE IN THOSE MISERABLE OR SEEMINGLY MISERABLE SITUATIONS, PUT ON YOUR KID EYEBALLS AND YOU'LL START TO HAVE FUN AGAIN POSSIBLY. SO THAT ONE'S COMING OUT SOON.

Any more questions? That's it. Thank you. I appreciate you coming again. And when you bring your next book, make it about food again, because we like the sweet potato pie you brought last time. And if you'll bring if you'll bring food, we will eat it. We enjoy it and make it something like banana pudding or something, too.

And orders to see how it's going.

Very good.

Meatloaf is number four. Thank you. Thank you all.

Thank you all for coming. Okay. Uh, I don't believe we have anybody signed up tonight for public comments.

Um, we have another item item. Oh, the CRP.

Uh, I was trying to get through the meeting a little quicker, Marcus. Uh, no, I gotta keep you honest. Sorry, Adam. I, uh, financial model, uh, our CIP, Mr. McLem and Ms. Massey. I'm apologize.

Thank you.

I feel very close to you. I don't know if we move this up or not, but good evening, Mayor and Council. We have been going back and forth about this financial model now for probably four or five months. We've been talking about it, telling you what we have, what we're able to do, some different steps and different things. So tonight, finally want to push this out to y'all and let y'all see some of the information that can come out of the model, and then so that y'all can ask additional questions as we move forward in the future. I've said this before, internally, we have a CIP team, a team that meets once a month, talks about all of our active CIP projects. Out of that group, we have a smaller group that's been working on this model, and that's Alicia Massey, Alicia Gaddy, and myself, been trying to get this ready for you all to be able to give this to you all. I want to tell them thank you for all the work they've done with and for this. Tonight, a couple of things that we'll just walk through really quickly what we'll do. I want to give just a very quick review of the CIP so everybody understands what that is. We'll talk about the financial model, what it is, some of the variables and assumptions that are built into it so that you understand how we're getting the outcomes, and then we'll review quite a few scenarios and then ask you all any questions. What I handed to y'all is a cheat sheet as you're looking and we're talking about all these, rather than all the detail that's there, that is very simple, straightforward. what is a cip so for us a cip is a strategic plan it tells how we're going to get somewhere in the future right it has a list of projects it goes far beyond that it tries to meet y'all's priorities for how you want to see these projects move forward we are talking about right now an fy27 through fy31 cip so the next five years The model or what you all have been given so far makes up 24 projects. In that right now, there are 11 funded projects, five partially funded, six unfunded, and three future projects. The financial model, we worked with first try on advisors. They were the ones that built the model and all the background information that's in there. Now, we can update the model and have and run different scenarios. That's how we got to this point. The model can analyze a number of things, but these are just a few that we can put in there. It'll look at all town funding sources. We can look at different tax rates. We can look at our debt service capital reserve policy. We can look at growth assumptions. expenditure and the growth rate and how fast things are growing we we can also look at different models for funding projects which are your Pago your debt or your outside funding whether that be grants or through crtpo with Todd and Council member also Brooks and the work they do there ALL RIGHT, TALK REALLY QUICK ABOUT SOME OF THOSE VARIABLES AND ASSUMPTIONS SO YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO SEE IN JUST A SECOND. SO THOSE VARIABLES, AGAIN, CAN BE ANY NUMBER OF THOSE THINGS. I WILL NOT READ THEM AGAIN, ALL THOSE THAT ARE OVER THERE ON THE MY LEFT, I GUESS IT WOULD BE YOUR LEFT TOO, LEFT-HAND SIDE. THE ASSUMPTIONS, I DO WANT TO TALK ABOUT THOSE. SO WE HAVE SOME ASSUMPTIONS BUILT INTO THE MODEL. ALWAYS WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT ANY KIND OF BUDGET OR FORECAST, WE'RE GOING TO ASSUME LOWER ON THE GROWTH SIDE AND HIGHER ON THE EXPENDITURES, AND WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ALWAYS HAVE ENOUGH TO FUND THOSE THINGS, RIGHT? SO WE PUT IN GROWTH RATES OF 3% FOR OUR NON-REVALUERS, SO GROWING AT A 3% RATE ON NON-REVALUERS. WE HAVE GROWN MORE THAN THAT THE LAST COUPLE OF NON-REVAL YEARS, BUT THAT'S THE RATE THAT WE WENT WITH. AND A FIVE-YEAR GROWTH ON REVAL YEARS, WE KNOW THAT WE'VE BEEN MUCH HIGHER THAN THAT THE LAST COUPLE OF REVALS. WE DON'T THINK IT WILL CONTINUE TO BE THAT HIGH IN THE FUTURE, SO WE'RE MODELING THAT AT FIVE. also another assumption is that if if and when we do model debt we're modeling taking that first payment for the debt the year after the debt is issued so if it's issued in fy30 we would take be the first payment would be due in fy31 so there's a year lag and when your first debt payment is Right now we have six scenarios that we've run through the model. Tonight, yes, you do see on that cheat sheet, it is correct, you see one, two, three, and five. You don't see one for zero or four. So zero is just a base, right? That's just flat what the budget has for this year. No projects are in it. Four, the reason why you don't see four as an actual scenario that you were given is because it is done in model two, or scenario two. with the addition of one additional project. So that's why when you're running these models, they do take time. So we chose a few to run through as actual scenarios. All right. Well, any questions that far before we start talking about the actual scenarios themselves? And if I can't answer the question, I'm going to look over my shoulder this direction to help answer the question. We good? Good. All right. I'll keep going. So scenario one funds, all of those projects that you see up there, those are your existing funded projects. So that's all of the funded projects are funded. It does show when you model it out in the future that the debt service cap reserve policy would need to be reduced to 5 cent and FY 29. If you know right now we're at five and a half cent. So we're showing that you would need to reduce that a little bit. So this is one of the output screens that we get out of the model. I'll walk through on this one with a little bit more detail and not on the other ones, you can see it. So you can see in FY24, FY25, the tax rate was 18 and a half cents. In FY26, it went down to 17 and it's 17 from thereafter, right? We're modeling it at a 17 cent tax rate. NOW YOU COME OVER TO THE DEBT SERVICE CAPITAL RESERVE FUND COLUMN, WHICH IS THE NEXT ONE OVER. YOU CAN SEE THAT IN FY28, WE REDUCED THAT, OR SORRY, FY29, WE REDUCED THAT TO 5 CENT, AND THAT'S TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THE MODEL WORK AS IT GOES OUT IN OTHER COLUMNS YOU SEE HERE. We're able to set targets and minimums for general fund. So you can see we set up at the top a target of 50%, a minimum of, that is y'all's policy, is that minimum of 30% for your fund balance. You can see as it goes down, nothing is highlighted here at the top. It didn't flag any of these cells because you are above 50 percent. When you drop below 50 percent, it starts flagging them just to let us know. And as it goes down, you can see the model does go below 30 right here. We wouldn't allow that to happen that far out. What you would do is you would fund a project out of debt service capital reserve rather than let the we wouldn't let us get below your 30% minimum. But it wasn't worth rerunning the model to move a project when you're less than a percent that far out because you're talking as far as FY 38 at that point. Um, you can also see, we can look at the debt service capital reserve. That is what this five or five and a half cent is pulling over here is how much money is getting generated or what, or how much surplus you have in that given year and then what the fund balance is. And then you have the last fund that you're seeing here on the screen is the one that, uh, is, has the money for the public works facility and the community center in it. All right.

Can you talk about 2026 growth rate? We see 3.4125. That's an actual rate. We're in 26 right now. We're in 27 now. Well, all right. But the 37.1, that's an anomaly. AND THERE'S AN EXPLANATION BEHIND IT.

SO THAT WAS THE REVAL YEAR, AND THAT'S WHY IT IS SO MUCH HIGHER. AND THAT'S WHY WE MODELED FUTURE REVAL YEARS. THEY'RE THERE IN THE GREEN. WE MODELED THEM AT 5%. they probably will be higher than 5%. They could be lower. I mean, I've been with the town long enough that I know the years that we did have a decrease when we did revals. So again, you wanna be conservative when we're modeling those. You don't wanna take those assumptions that it's much higher than that. So yes, that is an anomaly at 37.

Right, and that's because of the reval, right? Yes, sir. Okay. Um, second question, you talk about the fund balance and we're looking at 26 because we're in 27 now, but we're talking about past the 10.6 represents the $4 million for the community center that we put aside along with a 6.8 or almost 7 million for the public works. That's what those two numbers are, right? That is correct. All right, good. That that's it. And I'm asking for the benefit of myself and the public.

Very good. Thank you, Marcus.

Yeah. So with each scenario, we also get a bunch of graphs that get put out, and these allow us to look at some people. Myself, I'm more of a visual person than a tabular person, but you have both to be able to look at this. So you can see this gives the exact same information, but it makes it a little bit clearer to see at times. So if you look at Go back to this one and you see in FY27, if all of the projects get built out and expenditures happen the way that we think that they will, the 5.5 cent that is going in will not be quite enough to pay for all of those projects into the debt service capital reserve fund. So you would have to go into the fund balance of that fund. Is it okay to say it that way? Okay. the fund balance of that fund to pay the 730 right so you can actually see that graphically here right you see it dip it doesn't mean that there's no money in that fund it just means we're spending more than the five and a half cent we're going into we're spending some of that savings account of that fund but that would be a one-time event though correct because it's one time yep and then the following year there's enough money in there is again

And if it's a one-time event, what would we be able to build with that? I'm sorry? If it's a one-time event, what would be, what dollar amount would we be able to spend?

If it's a one-time event.

So you're saying that if we, let's say we have $5 million in that fund, and does that mean that we would spend $5.7 million? Correct.

So you'd still have. We wouldn't have anything. We would have spent the 5.7, right? So in that fund right now, there's roughly $10 million, 9.8. We're going to spend...

If we spend 10.2 or 10.5.

But we wouldn't do that. We wouldn't let it go into the negative. Yeah, I understand. I got you. Go ahead. Sorry.

Go ahead.

OK. Apologies. I'm just asking questions as we go.

So what we would do is like if what is the five point five equivalent to this year? But dollar wise, is it five million dollars? OK, so the five and a half cent this year is right around five million dollars yeah this year if we all the projects get completed that are planned to get completed money to be spent we're looking at 5.7 to be spent but there's 9.8 available overall so we would spend the 5 million we would go into the savings account and we would grab the 700 and we would put it in with the other one to pay for the one-time expense this year still having, I can't do math in my head, six, seven, eight, nine, almost $4 million sitting in the savings account, right?

Yeah. No.

No, because then we would add.

No, the $9 million, we're only going to pull what the excess that we need, which is the $700. We still have the nine plus.

You'll still have $9 million.

I got you. I follow you. You're right. I'm wrong.

I follow you.

Yes. I got you.

Okay. We tracking. All right. So you can see we also put the graph up here where you can see tracking that minimum line. So council's policy is that minimum line, that red line you see at the top. The last graph and all of them look the same on all of these future ones. SHOWING OUR DEBT INSTRUMENTS AND WHEN DEBT IS DROPPING OFF. IT MAKES MORE SENSE WHEN WE LOOK AT FUTURE ONES BECAUSE SOME OF THE OTHER MODELS HAVE US TAKING POTENTIALLY, IF COUNCIL CHOSE TO, TAKING FUTURE DEBT, SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE SHOWING YOU A DEBT INSTRUMENT COLUMN SO YOU CAN SEE WHEN THOSE DROP OFF.

clarifying question what you just said there is that as we go forward for instance we have an installment loan for this building your take the model takes into consideration when that debt is paid off and therefore those funds become available for use so as we're modeling through our existing debt service as it's coming off and we're modeling this off into the future that is giving us the ability to know how much we're going to have available if we so choose to do x project or y project that is correct good

Any questions about scenario one or about the data you're actually seeing? Because the other ones mirror this. So.

Good. This is just a one year. This is just a one year deficit. That's what you're correct about. Yeah. Yeah. And then the next year we're going to be we're going back. Yeah. Which really it's not really going to affect much of anything.

It's not even a deficit. It's only just pulling money out of your savings. Well, that's true.

Yeah. It's not a deficit. You're right. You're this.

Yeah. All right, so scenario two funds all of the projects you see listed here. So that's funding projects off of that CIP that are in the funded category and the partially funded category minus the community center. It does not model funding the community center. So it is that scenario that Council Member McIntyre, you asked about at the last meeting. You wanted to see a scenario that funded Indian Trail Road and funded the public works facility. So that's what we did here is we just pulled the community center out to be able to show that model. So that's what this is showing.

And what is, just for the public's memory, what is the estimated cost of the public works and the road? $8 million and $21 million, respectively?

Todd? Phase two, $8 million, $7 million. Indian Trail Road, phase two, or...

Okay.

About 8 million and then 21 million and 21 million is public works. Now you see here that's phase one of the public works facility. Remember council asked, we had a master plan and council said, go back and get us a phase one. So that's what we did. And this is the phase one. Um, but we have 7 million in the bank.

Yeah.

So you would need an installment financing, some kind of other way to fund the additional 14 million. So that's what you'll see when we show you this model is we modeled it as a $14 million installment debt financing. Same thing this building was at, um, not 14 million, but same type of debt instrument. Uh, right now we're seeing rates in the 5% for 20 years.

So Mayor, I apologize for asking so many questions. I'm sorry. I just want to make sure I understand that. So you don't mind if I ask the questions, right?

I do not. I don't mind.

I appreciate that, sir. So we have 21 million in terms of the estimated cost of the public works, as we've rendered. But we have 7 million available. Therefore, we need 14. For the Indian Trail Road, we have 8 million cost estimate in today's dollars. I think it's 8 million. But we have about 800,000 close. Let's just say a million dollars that we'll probably have in there as partially funded. That means that we only need 7. So 14 plus that seven give us, we would need to go to market or to get debt of 21 million for those two projects.

So the way the model is run, we actually don't need to go to market for Indian Trail Road. We only need to go for the public works facility.

So we only need 14?

Correct.

So good story then.

We do show with this model, you'll see reducing the debt service capital reserve policy in FY29 to four and a half cent from the five and a half that it is today. The story gets better with this model because you can actually take on the debt instrument of $14 million with no tax increase. So because of council's, you know, what you've done in the past, having the debt service capital reserve policy, putting money aside, thinking forward, you're able to take on a debt of $14 million without having to have a tax increase to be able to fund that.

All right. Important question. We have triple A rating from both. S&P and Moody's, right? So that means that if we go to market, we should get a good rate. Right now, you're talking about 5%. Would it benefit the town and its residents to issue a bond? Would we get a better interest rate in terms of the coupon rate we pay? on issuing a bond without getting approval and so on. It's a more lengthy process than going to a financial institution and getting that debt. Or do we want to stay at the 5%? Because the 5% rate today is still assuming a 20-year payback period, right? And a bond is also a 20-year. That's a max we can go to. It's a 20-year period. What would be, and I'm looking at you, Alicia, what would be your best advice here in terms of how we fund this through either installment or seeking bond approval? Sorry. Those are important discussions that we are having, by the way.

So I was actually pulling up an email that we got today from another financial advisor. So bond rates are hovering around 5% as well. So it would be half a dozen in one and half a dozen in the other.

Yeah.

OK. Alicia has something. The other Alicia.

Yeah.

Also, if you the way it's modeled, we would hope that rates would we would get because we are AAA, right? You hope that you get a better rate than 5%. But again, we're going to model it on the high end. We're going to model it at what we think is the worst case scenario because we want to make sure that we're not giving you all information that's as incorrect as we can. We can possibly hope for. Again, I won't go through everything. I'll point this out very quickly this time. You can see in FY29, we're showing that dropping to four and a half cent rather than the five and a half cent. Remember, that's that money that is going over to the capital reserve. You do see a few more years in here that we're going to go into the fund balance for the capital reserve to fund some of those projects. THINK WE JUST SAID WE'RE GOING TO FUND INDIAN TRAIL ROAD THROUGH NOT HAVING TO GO FOR A DEBT INSTRUMENT INDIAN TRAIL ROAD PHASE TWO THAT'S HOW YOU'RE DOING THAT RIGHT YOU'RE GOING TO GO INTO WHAT YOU'VE BEEN SAVING THAT'S THE REASON WHY YOU'VE BEEN SAVING THOSE FUNDS IS TO PUT THOSE OVER TO FUND THAT PROJECT YOU CAN SEE WE STAY WELL ABOVE THE TARGET OF 30 PERCENT We don't go below like 36% in these two. I didn't point it out earlier, but the value of a penny, you can see there in column 13, you can see it's approaching a million dollars for one penny. Again, you can see this graphically. The orange, the one that I'll point out is the debt, looking at the debt graph at the bottom there, that is the one that starts to show that we are taking on that debt instrument for the public works facility. Again, you can see we, on purpose, we pulled that debt in FY28 is when we modeled it for the first payment to be in FY29. Since this is the first one that has debt in it, I'll stop for a second. Any other questions?

I have a simple question. When we borrow from the fund balance, how much time do we have before we have to replace that money?

Yeah, I was going to say none, but...

We're, we're not borrowing from it. It's that's what we put that money aside for. So it's, it's a, um, an eligible use for us to use fund balance whenever we're doing capital projects, that's money that we've put aside. So it's our money. We're just shifting it to the capital project. So we don't have to pay it back. It's not a borrowing.

And then other question would be, seeing that we are in the process of getting Indian Trail Road Phase 1 out to bid, if we so choose to include Phase 2, both legs, Because we have the equipment out there, maybe it's going to be one particular. And that's kind of, Todd, I'm looking at you. I was going to. I'm kind of looking at you, Todd Hunsinger, over for the mic there. That's where my head is focused. Could we possibly kind of get some savings there? Because you kind of get what I'm asking, right? Because as we're going to do that in terms of, one, the disruption to the residents would be once, not then and then after. but also just possibly getting some savings there because it's gonna be one continuous strip, right? Versus the two sections.

So I don't know, that's something to sort of- No, so Todd and I have had plenty of conversations and this is his train and he should be congratulated for driving it forward. The plan has kind of been to get phase one done, or get phase one bid out, get it started, and then hopefully right after that, phase two would go out, maybe the same contractor would pick it up, and there would be no gap in the two. Yeah, and we're going to come to y'all at the end of this year if we're right with the authorization to start phase two, especially in the back of the phase one schedule. And I sent you all today an email with an updated timeline for phase one.

Very good.

All right. All right. All right. So now we'll look at scenario three. So again, every scenario is building on the one before it, right? So scenario three now is all of the funded and partially funded projects. And we've added in the community center. One thing that I did not say before and I'll say now, one thing that we are able to do in the model as well, as you can see there, we are able to model in operating expenses and actually we can model operating and revenue expenses. So when you build a new facility, right, you have new power, you have new water, you have new all those things, we can actually build that into the model. And when you're looking at the community center, you can actually model in the potential revenue that could be generated off of the facility as well. In this model, because we don't have any outside funding right now, we don't know what that outside funding is. I'll agree with the Mayor's sentiment. I hope we can get all 36 million outside funded. But right now, we aren't to that point yet. We're modeling it at 36 million as a bond debt, again, at 5 percent for 20 years. Again, the debt service capital reserve policy would drop. you do see there this is the first model that we are showing you that would require a tax increase potentially in FY 31 and that is to cover that those two debts now that you have of the community center and the public works facility so you potentially the model is showing debt of 47 million

547 not 14 plus 36 is my math wrong 14 50 50 million 50 50 million sorry so showing 50 million with a two cent tax increase and then one question on to piggyback on that that means that we still build Indian Trail Road from what we have we're not borrowing for that we are not 14 million is for the public works facility with a total cost of 21. CORRECT. SO WE HAVE SEVEN IN THE BANK, PLUS 14. IN THE TRAIL ROAD, WHICH IS SEVEN MILLION, PLUS THE ONE MILLION, THAT'S A TOTAL OF EIGHT. AND THEN THE 36 MILLION, BECAUSE IT COSTS 40, BUT WE HAVE FOUR SAVED UP.

I'M JUST REPEATING THOSE FOR PEOPLE TO KIND OF FOLLOW ALONG. And the next text, Ruval, is in 2030, right?

Is in 2030, that is correct.

And then this $14 million is over 20 years for this regular instrument, and the bond is over 20 years.

It's modeled the same way.

Modeled the same way. We're in 2026. When do you have this? When you, when did you model it out to kind of 2051?

So we modeled it, we modeled it one year past the debt instruments dropping off on purpose so that we could show how far out that went. Okay. Um, actually it's modeled out 20, I think 60 is what's in the model. I think the model goes all the way to 2060. We cut it at one year past when the debt would drop off.

One thing that would be a little, this is really good information, right? In terms of, my assumption, I'll be honest, my assumption was a five cents increase to fund the... the community center. So two cents is better than five. The one thing that I'll say when I look at some of these is, we had a list of partially, we had funded, partially funded, and those that were unfunded. If, based on what you have here, and I'm not asking for this now, but if you can, you can just send an email. What would remain unfunded after we've done this?

So you're gonna see that in the next one? Oh, sorry.

THAT'S WHY YOU'RE THE TOWN MANAGER.

NO, THAT'S WHY I HAVE GREAT TEAM MEMBERS THAT PUT THIS TOGETHER. I JUST STAND UP HERE. So one thing I want to point out, modeling at every $10 million of debt with our evaluation at the time at 5 percent interest over 20 years, every $10 million equates to about a million dollars in debt. It's actually very easy numbers. A million dollars equates to a penny because we're hitting close to that as a penny. So you can think of it that way. SO WHAT THAT MEANS IS THIS MODEL, AGAIN, BECAUSE OF HOW PRUDENT THE TOWN HAS BEEN, THE COUNCIL HAS BEEN IN DOING THE THINGS THAT YOU ALL DO FINANCIALLY, YOU'RE ACTUALLY ABLE TO ABSORB A LARGE PERCENTAGE. YOU'RE ABLE TO ABSORB 14 MILLION IN DEBT FOR THE COMMUNITY CENTER. and are sorry for the public works facility and roughly 20 million, give or take 18 million of the community center. Right. Because you're only needing to take two cent and and a tax increase. So you're able to absorb all that because you only needed that two cent. All right, I'll go forward. Y'all can see kind of what we see here. We did set a target on this debt service capital reserve. You can kind of see it starts to show up here a little bit. What that is, that target is just a cash flow thing. It's not a problem that these are showing up as red. It's just we're making sure that cash flow is okay in those future years. All right, you can see again those debt instruments coming on board, when they come on board, how they model themselves through. right scenario five is that last one um what we did for scenario five is all of your fully funded all of your unfunded or sorry fully funded partially funded and unfunded with one exception we pulled the community center back out to just give a little bit of a better idea of what it's going to show for that we know what the community center adds now but we pulled it out just so we could see what was here SO THIS IS THE LIST OF ALL OF THE PROJECTS THAT WOULD BE FUNDED THROUGH THAT. PUBLIC WORKS IS STILL IN THERE. AGAIN, THAT DEBT SERVICE CAPITAL RESERVE POLICY DROPS DOWN FROM WHAT IT IS TODAY. AND WE ACTUALLY WERE ABLE TO SEE TWO DIFFERENT OPTIONS DEPENDING ON HOW COUNCIL FEELS THAT THEY WANT TO DO THINGS GOING FORWARD IN THE FUTURE. If you run a PAYGO model, which that means paying cash for the projects, right? You're not going to take on debt. To fund those unfunded projects, which is those three listed underneath there, it shows that you would potentially need a five cent tax increase to cover that. If you run it as a transportation bond or a street bond or ones that we've done in the past, those same three groupings of projects would show about a penny and a half tax increase to fund that large grouping of sidewalk projects and those two intersection projects. The model that you actually see here is the one with the debt instrument, the transportation bond, because you can see the 18.5% tax rate. That was a lot of information to throw at y'all. We've digested this for several weeks now, or tried to at least. You can see the graph is the same. but now I'll stop. I know y'all have asked questions as we've gone along, but we're here to answer any questions.

I just want everybody to realize that we're looking at scenarios and the definition of what a scenario is because I don't want to hear them are we're raising taxes, 5 cents or 3 cents or 2 cents or, or whatever. Cause that's not, that's not what we're saying. A lot of this is, um, It's a scenario, a future possibility. It's a projection into the future. We and it's without any money that, you know, coming in and on, you know, for for a community center. And I would hope that we bring in money, not promising, but I believe that we will bring in money for a community center like be nice to bring it all in. And yes, sir, I know we talk a lot about the community center and we talk a lot about what we want to see in the future. And I stopped last a couple of weeks ago. I went to the aquatic center and and Monroe, and that's a community center. And I was really impressed. They have 16,000 people that are members. That's a lot. That's a lot. A lot of people. I was very impressed with how nice it was. If you think about it, We don't have a YMCA and I don't think we do anywhere around.

Not in Union County.

As a matter of fact, I talked to somebody today that works there. They draw from South Carolina. If you think about it, they draw from 601 going out South Carolina that way. They draw a lot of Indian Trail people. They're all Monroe people. They're all Marshall people. They they bring it on and they charge. And these are not exact numbers. So don't anybody say I know they they they pay $50 a month to to be a part of that. And at $50 a month, Tom's 16,000 people's $800,000 a year in revenue. I'm not saying that's and it probably took years to get that a number of years to get it. So but those are all possibilities of things that you think of and it's a scenario, you know. So anyway, I just I want to know.

I think that's a good point that again, these these aren't council's not approving to do anything tonight. Council's not even if you approve a CIP, you're still not approving any kind of increase or decrease or anything. You're just saying we like the CIP. We feel like this is a good plan, strategic plan to move forward. We've got to have a plan.

That's right. CRTPO, which, you know, our main delegate down here is there. And, you know, Charlotte Regional Transportation Planning Organization plans roads out to what? How many years to 30 years? 30 years down the road, you know. And you got to have a plan, you know, and if you don't have a plan, you're so.

And that's what we feel like we were for the first time. We're able to give you all a lot of information to help you make the best decisions you can for those plans. Right. We're able to give you all a lot of data that in the past you may have heard us say, Yeah, we think we can do that. Yeah, that looks good. We think we can. Now we can really show what we think is actually going to come to could come to life.

I was gonna say something else and I forget.

Any other questions for me tonight? I welcome any questions from y'all or from anyone.

We can always ask questions later, too. Yep, for sure. If anybody has questions, feel free to ask.

If there are additional scenarios or something different that you would like to see run, let us know. We can run those through. Again, just a reminder, we are working towards adopting some kind of CIP as we move forward in the future. Oh, I remember what I was going to say. Later tonight, Todd's going to come up and see if y'all want to go to CRTPO for outside funding for future projects. We're always going to be looking for those options for things that are there.

Very good.

Thank y'all again. I appreciate everybody's help.

Thank you, Adam. That was a very good job. Thank you for all your hard work. All right. Now, Ed brings us... up to public comments and tonight we don't have any so we're going to move over to law enforcement and tonight we're very fortunate to have lieutenant norris with us tonight lieutenant come on up

Good evening. Sure. We'll see. I'm not kept most couple, couple of feet lower to the ground. Um, I'm Lieutenant corn or Sheriff's office. Um, we've had a very, very busy month this past July. I'll just go over a couple of things, highlights, a couple of things we touched on. Um, first off, thank you. Uh, it's crystal for the heading off the adopt a cop. Y'all hooked us up and everybody felt, felt super special. It's a great, great deal.

Great deal for the office there.

the ABC investigation has been rocking right along. They did nine investigations this last month. It's totaled almost six and a half hours worth of work on keeping that in check. Everything looks good. Any trails?

I saw one was in like Was it settled, the very first one? Maybe you can tell me about it later.

Yeah, as far as the investigation, I think they had two that were verbally warned. It's not a big deal. Everything's under control. As far as the town's concerned, everything stays on track. I wonder what they were.

You can tell me later what maybe the first one was.

Yeah, yeah. As far as traffic enforcement, over 1,000 citations are – That's including verbal warnings, but 1,000 enforcement actions taken this last month. Very busy on traffic. We always stay busy on traffic. Indian Trail 74 is a madhouse. That doesn't slow down for us. Answered over 5,277 calls last month. So I averaged out about 170 calls answered per day or responded to. Very, very busy. All our violent crimes, break and enterance, aggravated assaults is all remaining very low, well under 2% on most of them. Percentage-wise, it's very good on the stats. Y'all have any specific questions? I know the guys and gals work real hard to keep everything safe.

was going to say something about adopt a cup at the end but since you brought it up i want to do just a quick shout out to betty pruden and to katie dyess and bonterra the bonterra senior club because they really took hold of this i had some health issues last month and they made it possible for y'all as well but our community there's so many people even sitting in this room that adopted you know an officer they have no idea what they're getting themselves into um but i also wanted to thank captain mullis and lieutenant evans who specially made trips there to pick up different baskets to make sure everyone was taken care of so thank you all for everything you do truly we do appreciate you and the community loves y'all no problem at all we appreciate the support thank you

very good well y'all have a good evening you too thank you and crystal i'll thank you too because uh um you know i'm i'm enjoy being part of it it's uh it's a good feeling it's a good feeling to help you guys out or the best we can because of all the things you do put your life on the line for us every day so uh enjoy enjoy what enjoy those goodies all right uh brings us to the consent agenda can i get a motion motion to approve the consent agenda all in favor Unanimous. All right. Brings us up to the first our first public hearing by addressing council. You acknowledge you have read the town's public comment rules and will abide by them. Rezoning petition CZ 2026 0076 6500 Old Monroe Road. Miss Deese.

Thank you. Good evening, Mayor and Council. Our first public hearing of four tonight is for 6500 Old Monroe Road. This is a conditional rezoning. We're looking at a rezoning for 1.73 acres from SF1 to CZGBD. The intent is to develop a bank with drive-through windows. And within this overlay district, this is within the sub-regional overlay, it does require conditional zoning for drive-throughs. And your applicants are on the screen there before you with NWF acquisitions and Regent Law. I'm going to share with you this concept plan, but just please promise me that you understand this is actually more of a land use CZ. So we are doing a CZ to allow the drive-through for the bank, but the applicant was willing to share kind of where they are with their concept plan. And so I thought we would just share this with you, but know that it's not tied to your approval tonight. Here is the photo of the property, currently zoned SF1, and it's been an abandoned structure for some time now. Take a look at the surrounding commercial. So this is adjacent to the ABC store. Here's Teeter Fuel Centers. And then there are two commercial projects, one here and then Sun Valley Station. If you may remember, they've picked back up and submitted for site plan review as well. And then, of course, you have your Brandon Oaks residence in the rear. Here's some photos of the site. This is looking southeast from Old Monroe Road. You see this is looking northeast with Sun Valley Commons to your left. There's another one a little bit further down. And then this is looking directly into the property. You can see the ABC store and our beautiful zoning sign. So existing conditions out there, you do have a mix with SF4 behind Brandon Oaks and then further down past the ABC store and Sun Valley station plans. It goes back into SF1 with kind of undeveloped property. But surrounding this specific parcel is all GBD. Future land use, of course, because it's in the sub-regional activity center overlay, it does call this area out to be mixed use, shopping in an entertainment district, and so this furthers that. This request is consistent with the comprehensive plan in the areas of economic development goal number one, land use and housing goal number one, and land use and housing goal number four. community meetings were held on June 29th we did have three residents attend the main question was really residential impacts and town mitigation there were no actual comments in opposition I think the Brandon X community kind of blasted out a notice to all residents so we did have some residents that once they realized how far it was from their house and then it fronted old monroe road they they didn't really have too many questions for us planning board at their july 21st 2026 meeting did vote for approval for this request And here are your recommended conditions for this. The first one you can kind of skip over. That's just a standard, hey, they still have to adhere to all the other regulations, including NCDOT's regulations. The second one is where we're going to add that use for banquet drive-through facilities, but also note that, you know, This is going to have to go through construction drawings and site plans and things could change and so we're leaving those permitted uses by right there as well so that they'll still have those options rather than just locking them into only a bank. And then we've got some rear landscape buffers, a budding residential with the most significant being that we want them to connect to that wall that provides that buffer to the Spanish Moss residents. And I'll be glad to answer any questions you may have following public comment. And the requested action is before you. Thank you.

Okay, so who wants to ask questions after public comment, after?

I'll take your questions any time.

Okay, well, I have some, so. All right. And I'm anxious to, you know, I saw the brick wall there. They're going to cut a hole in that wall, right? They're going to have to, right?

Yes, yes, yes. That portion that is perpendicular to Old Monroe will come down, but you'll have a wall that runs parallel with those residences.

Well, you know, I want to see that start yesterday, so. the, we need, we need that wall cut down and we need that road back there. And my question to you access, huh? Yeah. A little access there. Um, do you, and this might be a silly question, but when do you think they'll put the road in when, first of all, when do you think they'll start? Is, is this just something that if it gets approved, it's gonna start pretty quickly.

Well, you've got the parcel adjacent to it that has site plan approval as of October of 2025. So likely they'll be the first ones to extend the road. And then this property would come next and bring it all the way to the property that you're interested in connecting.

How long do you, I'm just curious, because I get asked that question all the time, especially by the ABC store. What are we talking, a year maybe? Or is that optimistic?

well there's that's really outside of our control because there's other governmental agencies that aren't quite as efficient um so it takes time development takes a long time but i would say you know gosh the one property got site plan approval in 2025 like it wouldn't surprise me if they weren't asking for a pre-construction meeting anytime now and start you know start building and constructing this property i would say at least a year to get through all of the site plan approvals and such.

Now here's the million dollar question. Can we go ahead and build the road now? How soon can we build that road back there?

Todd says if you give him the money, he'll build it today.

Is that true, Todd?

No, so the road's going to be funded by private development. I realize that. So we have to wait for the private development.

I just wondered if maybe private development would want a little, you know, the ABC store might contribute, help contribute to that. If it would speed it up, does that make any sense?

We can have those conversations, but I think it's hard for them to start investing real dollars until they have their permits in hand.

I got you. I got you. Well, that makes sense. Pardon me for being a little optimistic and excited about that. Okay. Thank you. You're welcome. Quick question. I have another question. Sure.

Real quick. I wasn't on council when the Sun Valley Station came through, so I know we're talking about the bank now, but what's going in the Sun Valley Station? Is it Bowling Alley and...

So they've submitted for site plan approval for like a retail strip. Um, don't know exactly what those tenants are. The previous tenants was like an entertainment, um, center that included bowling, uh, a gym and a pet store. Um, and then COVID hit. And of course those industries, especially the entertainment crashed. Um, so it's coming back around now, but the specific tenants aren't, aren't solidified at this time. You're welcome.

Okay. Well, at this time, I would like to open in someone and make a motion to open and close public comments.

Are you looking to me? I'll make a motion to open public comments. I'm sorry. Anybody sign up to speak? No. Oh, I'll make a motion to open and close public comments for CZ2026-0076, 6500 Old Monroe Road. Right. Okay. All in favor?

Well, you first of all, you would have needed to sign up, but you didn't. But that's OK. I'll give you permission to come up. And did you want to speak in public comments?

Wait, wait, wait, wait. One second. If we open it and you all, I just close it.

We can't really, but we did, we didn't actually didn't vote on it correctly. Or I mean, we just did, but okay.

We voted on, on, I just want to follow proper procedure. Yeah. Let me, let me do that. That way. Okay.

Let's back up.

Okay. Did you want to come up and speak? Do you want to come up and speak? All right. Before you do, before you do, let me just make the motion. All right. I'll make a motion to open public comments for CZ two zero two six dash zero zero seven six sixty five hundred old Monroe Road. May I explain to him the procedure, the time and so on and so forth?

All right.

Can I?

OK. All in favor. That must now come up. You can speak.

If you just say your name and your address and you have three minutes to speak, OK, there's a little buzzer that will go off.

OK, so I live at 1010 Spanish Moss Road. My name is Chase Anderson. This is my first home and first time attending me. So forgive me for any misunderstanding. But I wanted to know if there's going to be a wall built behind between my house and the bank. Do you know how close that wall will be to my house?

We can take a look at it and do some measurements for you. I do have my card here for you if you'd like to meet to discuss specifically. Let's look at...

Brandi, sorry. Some of the residents, some of the people said that they couldn't hear you.

I'm assuming you're somewhere in here. Yeah. Yeah. So they will be it'll be on the wall will be constructed on this property. So there will be some distance, obviously, with your backyard. But we can sit down with you and and show you the plans and kind of give you some measurements one on one if you'd like. Okay.

Yeah, my other concern is just like how high the wall is to have privacy in case the drive through like the customers are kind of looking into my backyard and another concern I had is the my backyard kind of slopes down low and if there's heavy rainfall and there's a wall, I don't know if that would cause some kind of flooding. So that was why I was wondering like how close the

um wall will be to my house gotcha so if you take a look at the site plan you can kind of see that there's some some distance here between the bank operations and your property there's going to be like a natural buffer area but then you'll have the wall the wall will match and be the same height same materials and everything of the existing wall with the air cedar fuels center and then as far as stormwater so they will be required to submit calculations to show that they will not be diverting any water onto any other property, and that's through engineered plans showing with exact calculations how they're gonna account for the water.

uh thanks that was that was all that i had so i appreciate me well don't worry about it you didn't know the procedure that's what we're here for we're here to answer your questions and uh hopefully you got got them answered and then you got brandy knows he's a good one to talk to so

OK, Clarence, Clarence has something.

So I'm going to add something real quick to Mr. Chase. Mr. Anderson, they went into this in more detail in the planning board meeting. So, you know, recommend you go back, look at the planning board meeting. It talks about that, the concerns of lights coming into the homes and the walls, the size. And you actually have a planning board member here, Richard Sayre. So I would encourage that. And I like to if we don't have any other speakers, I'll go ahead and make a motion to close public hearing.

Okay, all in favor? Unanimous. Very good. Okay. We have no more council deliberation.

I have a question for Brandy, sir. Okay, Brandy. Ms. Brandy, you mentioned that it's a bank going there. Which bank?

The applicant is here tonight, and if he would like to divulge that, I will let him do so.

My approval or not hinges on the name of the bank.

They're pointing to each other. I think they're trying to flip a coin.

For full and fair disclosure, I work for a bank.

Which bank?

Exactly. That's why I'm asking you.

Okay. Sorry. I'm not getting any answers from the back.

Because the thing is, I need to know if I should abstain or not.

We can talk later.

Yeah.

OK, so OK, now I know why you were asking the questions. OK, so now can I get a motion?

I like to make a motion to approve Ordinance four three number four three one pertaining to petition CZ two zero two six zero zero seven six as presented all in favor.

You know, Marcus, you can raise your hand all the way up.

I'd like to make a motion to adopt the statement of consistency findings for CZ2026-0076 as read into the record by staff.

All in favor? Unanimous and unanimous both ways. Thank you, Brandi.

Welcome.

You can go on. Go on. You want to do the next one?

Yes, absolutely. Our second one for the night is zoning text amendment 2026 0084. This is Indian Trail Fairview Road corridor signage, and we're looking at amending the code. And specifically, we're looking to establish standards for signage for multi-tenant properties along Indian Trail Fairview Road based upon the size of the property. And we've got two applicants who have requested this, Premier Eye Care and the Church at Indian Trail. So two signage requests actually came in the same week for essentially almost the same exact height. It well exceeded the height requirements. And so when we started researching, we found out that the light industrial park that is gonna be coming across from the Church of Indian Trail already included that in their CZ. So you've got one 15 foot tall sign, you've got someone requesting a 14 foot tall sign, and then you've got someone requesting a 15 foot tall sign. And then you think about what else is going on in that corridor we can see 74 junction asking maybe even our own public works facility there's other light industrial folks that we're working with further down stinson hardest so we really started to realize that okay maybe this corridor is changing a lot faster than we realized and so we are putting forth that amendment Here's some of just the example of businesses. It was before my time, so I don't know how it happened, but Extreme Ice actually already has a pretty fairly tall sign. And then Indian Trail Corporate Park is now Oak. trail crossing, they've changed their name. That's the light industrial that got the 15 foot tall sign. So we really are changing the face of this corridor to no longer being residential at all. But the the amendment will establish standards based on the size of the property. It will improve visibility and wayfinding for businesses and establish consistent signage standards. And so here's the revisions that we are looking at. There's a strike through an underline in red. That's what's going away. And then the blue underline is the new. So we already have a specialized section for Highway 74 and Old Monroe Road, and we decided that was the best place to add this in. So we're just adding in Indian Trail Fairview. to that section, and then we're adding it into the chart. So what we've done is we've increased the square footage and the height of the sign based on the size of the property. And this complies with the request that we've had from both applicants. Your consistency findings for this request is that it is reasonable and in the public interest as it promotes the goals of the comprehensive plan and economic development goal number two and quality of life goal number one. And I'll be glad to answer any questions you may have. Thank you. Marcus.

You mentioned that there were three possible eye care, Churchill Indian Trail, and the land being cleared there by whatever industrial park, they included it in theirs. What is what are what? What is the what's going to be the height of each of these sites? Will it all be 1515? Yes. So the 14 would basically have to come out to 15.

Yeah. Well, they could they could do less. It's just a max.

No more than 15.

Right. And you'll see if you'll see on the chart like the tallest, even, you know, even if you've got more than seven acres, the tallest is 15. Okay.

All right. You're good. I'm good. Thank you.

Okay, all right, so we have no one speaking for public hearing. Can I get somebody to make a motion to open and close public hearing?

Motion to open and close public hearing.

All in favor? Unanimous. Okay, that brings us to, can I get a motion, a motion to approve or, go ahead.

I'll make a motion to approve ordinance number 432 pertaining to petition ZT 2026-0084 as presented.

All in favor? Unanimous.

And I would like to make the motion to adopt the statement of consistency findings for ZT 2026-0084 as read into the record by staff.

All in favor? Unanimous. OK, Brandi, you're up again.

All right. Moving right along. Our third is another zoning text amendment 2026 0085. This one is to remove the school impact study. so we're looking at removing the requirement for a residential applicant to provide a school impact study that might sound crazy but just hang in there with me we really do feel like that the changes will better serve the residents and the applicants overall and this is something that the planning department's putting forth as we've seen it be an issue so Currently, in the code now, if you are proposing 50 or more lots of residential development, you're required to provide a student impact study. It was supposed to help provide a student yield, like projecting how many students this development would bring. We have recently found that there is no one any longer doing these projections. These projections were kind of all over the place. They weren't really consistent. They were greatly contested. And so it just ended up not being very informative. We polled the listserv for all the planners in the state and did not get one single person who has it the way we have it that requires a student impact study, which made sense why we can't find anybody to do one. Most communities require the reporting coming straight from the public school system. so they have folks that really know what they're doing over there and they model this for the school systems own needs as well and then they can just provide us with it as we have rezonings and so this has been something that we've been receiving from the county in addition to the school impact study but they they do provide the relevant input to us that talks about the actuals in the attendance areas the school's rated capacity the total existing residential units contributing to the attendance area and then they add any other comments that they feel may be appropriate for for the request so what we're looking at doing is under the section where it says application procedures we're not going to require the school impact study as a a requirement for the applicant but instead we're going to be looking under a new section in staff reviews where that burden will be placed on staff when they receive a rezoning to reach out to the county to get this information so that then the community planning board and town council can take that into consideration rather than taking projections you know that that are kind of all over the place depending on who does the study And again, this is where the new section will come in under the subdivision regulations, and the previous one will go away. So our consistency findings for this issue is this is a reasonable request and in the public interest because it promotes the goals of the comprehensive plan in the areas of community engagement, goal number one, and economic development, goal number two. And I'll be glad to answer any questions you may have. Thank you.

Clearance. I'll make it quick. Since we're talking about impact studies, we have a lot of citizens here. Now would be a good time. You always hear, why don't we make developers pay for improvements to our school with impact fees? So why is that something that we don't do?

right so if you look at your tax bill it breaks it down you can see that the tax structure there is designated funds that go to the school system the model is set up that as you have a growth ideally it should pay for the you know the needs of folks coming in and so as a town when it comes to rezoning you know things that are not legally under our control we have to be careful about making decisions based on that and schools is one of those right because we don't um we don't have schools we don't have a school system that we operate and impact fees are illegal in North Carolina correct correct you do have system development fees with water and sewer which could kind of be considered the same thing but actual impact fees are illegal

Let me just ask a follow-up question to that. I know you're gonna ask, but I'm gonna ask for your opinion here. Seeing that we're gonna, ASK THE COUNTY FOR THAT INFORMATION. SCHOOLS, WATER AND SEWER DO NOT FALL UNDER OUR PURVIEW, RIGHT? SO WHY WOULD WE INCLUDE THAT AS A MEANS OF SORT OF MAYBE THAT COULD INFLUENCE OUR DECISION ONE WAY OR ANOTHER WHEN WE'RE MAKING THIS, WHEN WE ARE DECIDING THINGS. I just think legally, doesn't that expose us? It becomes a slippery slope. I'm curious about your answer, but that's sort of where I look at it, because we do not control anything dealing with the schools. We do not control anything, water and sewer. and we're removing it because it's not consistent as to what other municipalities or other towns are doing but how do we how do we really is should that something be part of should we even consider that should it be included I mean I think it's okay to consider it whether you consider or not residents are going to come forward and complain right yeah the schools are too crowded um

With legislative rezoning, you have a lot of discretion. So as long as you're not denying it for an illegal reason, pretty much the courts are going to end up on our side. But if the focus of the conversation is only about schools and not about roads and traffic and property values and all the other reasons why people complain about new developments, I mean, potentially it could be a problem. Yes, I would never want that to be the focus of the conversation or the reason for your denial.

But it's part of the decision tree now because it's included in there, even if it's not implicit.

I mean, I would be fine if it was completely out.

Yeah, I think we would as well. Now, politically, it might be a little harder that it's not touched on in some way.

I'm just thinking a bit from a decision point, but anyway, I just ask.

I did want to touch on Clarence's question. Years ago, the county actually hired attorneys from, I don't know if it was Kentucky or somewhere, who had been very successful around the country. litigating the impact fees and that case went you know all through the Court of Appeals and the courts in North Carolina have been very very clear that it is illegal you cannot do anything that could be defined as some sort of impact fee and the same thing with with rezoning you know if we allow it and say oh but if you you know pay this much for the schools then that's gonna be overturned if there's gonna looks like there's something we're trying to do to buffer the impact with the schools that they could interpret as a fee then that's gonna be stricken yeah is their desire to strike it all together that would be my recommendation but the attorney will advise us on that I mean I think that's the safest route yeah

I would prefer we do not include it.

And don't get the information from the county at all?

things if you give it then it becomes part of the decision tree it's it's really to protect the planning board and the council where that's not part of the decision now somebody in their own mind can make up you can decide however they want but if i list it then it's like i have the ingredients and i'm gonna make this right i'm gonna make brown bread but i'm only using white flour i'm not making brown bread i'm making white white bread right BUT IF I INCLUDE THE BROWN FLOOR, THEN I AM MAKING THAT. YOU GET WHAT I'M SAYING? I THINK IT WOULD BE BETTER TO LEAVE ALL BECAUSE IT DOESN'T FACTOR INTO DECISION AND IT SHOULDN'T AND THEREFORE IT LIMITS US LEGALLY, IT PROTECTS THE TOWN, THE RESIDENTS AND THE PLANNING BOARD AND EVERYBODY ELSE.

that would be, I speak for myself, one of many, but that would be, I think as long as you understand, like the school board may frown on that somewhat, right? Like we're not even, we don't even care.

We're just, but we know, but, but it, but it's not part of our decision and it shouldn't be, and it cannot be right. I mean,

A question. How do we do it? I know how we do it now, but what is the actual process of when you do it? What is the school impact? Does that make sense? Yes. What are we doing to get that information?

Yeah, so the last one we did was over five years ago, and there was one consultant at the time that did the work, but basically the developer pays this third-party consultant to do a report to basically do some projections to say how many kids are gonna be going into Sun Valley High, Indian Trail Elementary, whatever cluster it might be. They're projecting what that development will bring. And if you think about it, yeah, there's some difference in apartments and townhomes and single family, but it's really kind of a guessing game, honestly. But that report would be included in the planning board agenda packets and town council packets. and discussed as part of it.

Do you find that because it was done by the developer that it probably leaned towards positive things to say? You would think so, wouldn't you? Or would you not?

I don't know.

I think you are asking an obvious question. Yes, I think it would.

The professional we worked with since I've been in Indian Trail, she actually had some pretty pretty contentious conversations with developers because she was not willing to do that. But I certainly think that there probably were some consultants that would lean very conservative.

This is a tough thing. I'm almost thinking, why did you bring it up for? I'm kidding. But yeah. Any other questions?

What are your thoughts, Clarence and Crystal, in terms of, I mean, we're going to remove that requirement. What about having that included? What are your thoughts?

I mean, I agree that if we don't have it, there's, you know, nobody can see that it makes sense because we can't judge it. But then I don't know how the school board would look upon it. I guess they see that us asking for that information looks like we can do something with it, but I'm sure they know we can't.

Exactly.

I mean, I'm fine with removing it because really and truly it does eliminate any question of if we considered that.

Clarence. Thank you for asking. Um, I, I see, I see your point. Um, I think it's a good point that it can have an, uh, negative, it could have a negative impact. Also the fact that, um, we even have to have this discussion. We haven't really had any developers come to us and ask for any projects or housing projects. And it's hard to find somebody anyways, which slows down that process. But I really, um, I don't think it will. I don't think it will be a negative move for us as far as the school board is concerned.

I don't think so. Then, sorry, I appreciate you guys. Mayor, I'm just asking a couple questions. Melanie, if we were to move on with this here, how would you recommend we approach it? I'd like to make a motion, right? And what I'd like to do is to kind of give the planning board the, no, sorry, the planning director and her staff sort of the instructions. How do we do that?

If it's changed, it would have to go back to planning board, right? We can't vote on it, removing it altogether because that's not what planning board considered and recommended. And so we'd have to go through the process already. Would it be beneficial to approve it as is? So at least we have something. So in the event a developer comes forward, we don't have to tell them, hey, you have to do the school study and there's no one that can do it. Yes.

I got you, I follow you.

But I do think, I was looking through my emails to look for it, but leaning on the, I don't want to say it's illegal, but the court could find it's arbitrary and capricious for us to turn down a development because of the school study. That was the language I was looking for.

All right. So may I have answered my questions have been answered. If you want, I can make a motion or if you have anything else.

No, I do. It's a very difficult, um, kind of put my two cents in it. It's a, it's a difficult decision to make, uh, because it's also a political decision.

Yeah.

You don't want to look at it politically, because I don't believe it is a political, but other people may turn it into a political thing. uh, situation that you don't care, uh, that, that, and that doesn't, I don't, I really don't see it that way. I don't, I don't see it that we don't care. I, I see it that we're doing the right thing to do if it's what you wanna do, but, uh, it would've been easy for me just not to say anything, be honest with you. Thank you guys. All right. So go, go ahead. And I, I kind of would like to see it, um, I want you to protect yourselves too. So I don't want you to, so it's up to you guys.

So we're politicians and sometimes some things may be political, but that being said, sir, Ms. Diz, you and your staff will look into sort of the advancement of that in terms of removing it at some point.

Yes, I do agree with Ms. Cox. It would be great because this did just come up. So we're not just combing the code and trying to create fun things for y'all. So if we had, if we got the school impact study removed, then our next planning board meeting, we can propose an amendment to Hawaii.

So you go along that way and then I'll make a motion open and close.

Oh, sorry. Anybody signed up? No.

I'll make a motion to open and close public comments.

All in favor? Yeah. Unanimous.

Sorry, May, I was jumping ahead there. That's okay. And I'll make a motion to approve ordinance number 433 pertaining to petition ZT2026-0085 as presented. All in favor?

Unanimous.

I'll make a second motion to adopt the statement of consistency findings for ZT2026-0085 as read into the record by staff.

All in favor? Unanimous. Okay.

All right. Last one for the night is CZ20260086, Hanfield Vet Clinic. This is a conditional rezoning modification from the original CZ2014003M. That M says that we've already modified it. We don't do 2Ms, so we're going with a new case number. So we are looking to add a land use for a veterinarian clinic and office without outdoor animal areas. And this is in the Handfield Village Shopping Center. No new structures are planned. This is within an existing structure. And the original Handfield Village CZ did not allow it. It excluded veterinarian services as a prohibited use. just a little bit about the conditional zoning this is obviously the public shopping center it was approved in 2015 and amended in 2024 to allow drive-through facilities and a cigar shop on wesley chapel stouts road you may remember that and this petition just like the previous modification doesn't change any of the original approvals we're just changing the specific use for vet everything else remains in place And again, property conditions, currently it's within that Sun Valley Activity Center overlay that we talked about on the first public hearing for tonight. It's zoned CZGBD, which is General Business District. And then obviously you've got the Publix and all of the tenants, the restaurants and personal services in that shopping center. surrounding conditions it's adjacent to other shopping as well as the Sun Valley High School and then there are some nearby residential subdivisions this is the building so previously where the joint chiropractic was and located behind the copper tape tap and table Club Pilates Geico And then your existing zoning conditions. So you can see that Sun Valley Commons is GBD. You've got the Handfield Village that's GBD. And then you do have some SF1 surrounding it as well. Future land use, again, it is in the sub-regional activity center overlay. It does plan for this area to be an entertainment district, and mixed use is what we are looking for. So it complies with that. And it complies with the comprehensive plan in the areas of economic development goal number one, land use and housing goal number one, and land use and housing goal number four. and why wouldn't they allow vet clinics by right so we did look at a couple of the impacts and really talked a lot in planning board about the outdoor areas and really honed in with the tenant that it would be primarily vet clinic they're not going to be having boarding where you know the dogs are gonna have to go in and out and so the outdoor area would not be necessary and we also have an example in the Sun Valley area already with pet bar if you are familiar with that we're a little concerned when that came in by right But that has not been an issue with there needing to be any outdoor facilities for the animals. They're in and out quickly. So our recommended conditions is just this blue at the bottom and that it allows the veterinarian clinics and offices without outdoor animal areas may be permitted. And any indoor animal boarding must only be associated with medical care. The requested action is before you, and I'll be glad to answer any questions you may have. Thank you.

Okay. And again, we have no one signed up for public hearing, so can I get an open and close on public hearing?

Motion to open and close public hearing.

All in favor? Unanimous. Can I get a motion?

All right. Motion to approve ordinance number 434 pertaining to petition CZ2026-0086 as presented.

All in favor?

Unanimous. Motion to adopt the statement of consistency findings for CZ2026-0086 as written to the record by staff.

All in favor? Unanimous. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Brings us to old Brit, a business, a project update, a chestnut square park, phase two B field and community center. Mr. Huntsinger.

Thank you, Mayor, Council. So tonight we're going to talk, give you a little bit of the history of us, how we came to be at this point, concept site plan, and then design contract. So back in January of last year, basic council decided to delay this project due to the fact staff came back to y'all to suggest this might be a good piece of property for a future community center. And so then we came back to you the following month in February of 2025 to approve analysis contract to see if this would be doable. And then, basically, Adam came back to y'all just recently to get council approval on concept 2B. So just right now, what we got out there is what we built was Chesed Square Park Phase 2A. So just to go back to our CIP ordinance and give you a rundown of where we're at is basically when we expanded those funds, this is what we expanded to build that Phase 2A section. So, we've used those four funding sources, cap reserve, part bonds, storm wire, and skip grant. And I'm not going to go through the amounts, but basically that equaled to about $3.19, basically $3.2 million. And so what we have remaining in that $7.5 million CIP is basically 4.3. And you have those four funding sources, general fund capital reserve, part bond, and then a little bit of stormwater, which we probably won't use. But just to be transparent, that's exactly what the amounts were. so uh when we came to y'all with a chestnut phase two this is what was going to be the total uh site layout and what was going to be built in the future obviously we're not building that now so that parking lot area is changing uh the fields uh being repositioned um and so uh just to give you a sense of what y'all approved way back then that was what that was what was technically approved Now we don't have to build that weird parking lot area with the circle and so forth and so on. So I think it's been a good decision. So this is what you approved in June concept to be All right, so again, we've shifted the field down. The way this sub-mill agreement that you're going to ask to be approved tonight, basically we'll replat this property. So this property line you see down here at the bottom going across the field will no longer be there. This property will be one property, not two separate properties. So we're gonna clean up that, and then again, you get more parking, and we'll still do the bathroom facility at the existing parking lot that was built in Phase 2A, and then finish out the boardwalk. So what you approved in that original contract analysis was $59,700. We pretty much have expended all that money. And so the supplemental agreement is broken down into two main sources. And I'll give you a breakdown of that in a minute. So you basically have the Chestnut Square part two, phase two B design, which is around $274,000. And then you have the community center design renderings, again, giving you a sense of what that could be in the future, give you options of what you could choose, the facade and everything. That will be part of that. And you basically... That $177,000 you see there, it's going to give you almost a 50% design of that building. I mean, you're going to get a good sense of what that building's going to look like from inside and out. So just so we're clear about that. And so that breakdown, if that supplement agreement is, again... Any plan, you've got to go back and do some surveying. So we're going to do a little bit of surveying. The schematic design is 38,000. That's basically getting you at 30% design plans. And then it comes back to us to review as staff. And again, that's when you're going to find if you've got any hiccups with grade or anything like that. Hopefully that's not the case. But again, that's a stepping stone. And then you go into basic construction docs and permitting. which gets you to basically your 60% to 90% to 100% plans. That's all in that $89,000. And that includes stormwater. We've still got to make sure the pond itself can take the additional impervious we're putting back out there. We may have to put a smaller pond in a different location. Don't know that yet, but again, that's part of that money. And then the subservices, that's basically all the subcontractors. You've got the guy that's going to design this synthetic turf field. All right, that's a separate consultant. Then you have your architectural design of the buildings and all that. And then you have... And also the bathroom stuff, again, we have to go back and take a look at and make sure what we designed back then, we did have somewhat of a permanent design for that building, but again, that's been several years old, so he has to go back and make sure it's up to code. Now, are there any updated building code standards? So you've got a little bit of services in that. And then, of course, we've got to get a new cost estimation to figure out exactly what it's going to cost us. Because, again, you have 4.3. I can't guarantee you it's going to come in below that. Hopefully it does. But we'll know that sooner rather than later when we get to that 60% plan stage. And so we'll come back to you all then. And then basically, we will have to do some material testing services out there, so you've got to factor that in, you know, on a pot of money to make sure you have enough to do that. And then reimbursals is just, you know, documents, printing, stuff like that. What's not in this number is The permitting itself is trying to get the documents together, but obviously the town pays the permitting fees for those third-party agencies. So that's a little bit of money. It's not much, but again, it's not technically in that number, just so we're clear. Any questions about the breakdown? um of those two amounts again you've got 44 and 51 700 is your total amount and that gets you again that one sitting segment is inside that sub subcontractor services so that's your total plus your community center renderings which is your 50 design plans

all right anyway i'll take questions if anybody has any um before we go into the orange let's ask questions and i'll explain what the orange change is anybody have any questions yeah the um the 450 one represents the 50 something the 177 and the 280 something right no the 59 the 50 something you already paid for all right that that was the 177 on the 280 something correct yes um the 177 is going to come out from the community

fund right pulling from two sources right you'll see that yeah yeah that's all I asked that's what I am asking you know the questions so I thought of this question earlier but it really has nothing to do with this but this this was approved the phase 2b was approved unanimously by Council, was it not? Okay. I just wanted to make sure that it was already, everybody understood that it was unanimously passed. Go ahead. That was my comment.

When you say Phase 2B, I guess what is it?

It was approved for us to go get these numbers to bring back to council for them to approve the project itself. The schematic design that Todd showed that showed the community center, the field and the parking lot, the second one. Yes, that was approved by council at the two meetings ago. Right.

Right.

Okay. Yeah. All right.

I move on.

Okay. So the way to order this breaks down is basically you're adding an additional cap reserve fund, which is the community center fund to fund that one 77, which is on the second. Um, your other funding services don't change. Um, so basically you're adding that hundred cents on top of the seven and a half million. And if you have any more questions, I'll be happy to answer them.

If there's no more questions, I just, I just want to, um, just bring this up very quickly um the importance of having a i i've read and seen where why haven't we moved forward with trying to collect money or try to ask for money for for the community center and um i just you can't really ask for money until you have until you have something to show them and i'm i kind of would like that adam would you like to or or mention or say in other words we've got ex you've got to have a if you're going to ask somebody for 40 million dollars you can't tell them what you think it's going to look like you got to show them what it's got to look like is is this is what my point is trying to be not that i think anybody's gonna give us 40 million dollars but what if they did you know that'd be great or a million dollars or five hundred thousand dollars or two hundred thousand dollars that before you do that you've got to you've got to show them You don't go by a Rolls Royce without seeing it, you know, without knowing what it is. So I just kind of want that out there because I have seen several people question the fact that why, well, I'll just point out, we haven't or haven't gotten any money, and I want to do my best to get money for it. But that's the reason.

And and that's what that 177 is going to give us. So that'll give us, like Todd just said, to 50% design plans, roughly between two and three external renderings of the community center so that council, the public park and park and rec committee, everybody can weigh in to what that looks like at that point.

If I can add this too, Mayor. It's an important step in our evolution as a town where we want to construct a community center. We've identified a place for it where we'd like to see it. But without a plan, which is basically saying at this point in time, we want to build this. This is how much we estimate it to cost. It'll cost us. I think that is what you will need as the mayor, as the face of the town, going out and asking people for money. they're going to ask you, well, what are you going to build? You have something to show, right? Even if it's the plan, how much it's going to cost, you have an estimate of what it's going to cost if you had the money one time. So I think these things are necessary for us to move on to that next phase. And anybody who brings up a point and says, well, why haven't you asked for money? I mean, I'm just going to be honest. You're just idiots who said that. I'm just being honest. So let's not worry about this. Let's not worry about the people who, some very small minority who think that way. Let's put this forward and get there. And therefore, we go that way.

Well, I think it's I think it's necessary. I just want the public to realize, too, that that that's what we're doing, that that's why we're doing it. And I think it's a it's a good idea. So thank thank you for for that.

So so we have, you know, several motions we had to do to get this to the finish line.

OK, can I can I get a motion? You may want to make a motion.

I would like to make a motion to approve design contract supplemental agreement number one with McAdams as presented.

All in favor? Unanimous.

I also would like to make a motion to approve the amendment Chestnut Park phase two ordinance number 094 as presented.

All in favor? Unanimous.

I also would like to make a motion to approve the budget amendments for Chestnut park phase two as presented.

Yes. Okay. All in favor. Unanimous.

And I am done with my motions.

Okay. Next we have Stallings fire department, stormwater relocation. Mr. Hunsinger go right ahead.

All right. So, um, Just so you know, I did talk to the Stormwater Committee about what I'm about to present tonight, and they recommended moving forward with my request. So just to give you a rundown one more time, in case somebody in the audience doesn't know what's going on here. So you've got the property of Stalin's fire department along Omer Road, and that's basically what it looks like. uh you got a you got it right away that was bought by the ncdot to do the old mower widening and so they purchased this so that impacts their dry attention which isn't the green area so uh they came to the town because uh you know they haven't they don't have any experience you know you know trying to get this thing moved uh contract wise or anything else so The DOT did give them a certain amount of money to move the dry pond back to the back. We have, as a staff, have recommended that we do not just remove and replace the dry pond. We want to get this site back in compliance and that would be to put a water quality feature back there and so our consultant that we hired that the fire department is paying um basically uh designed a wet pond back there and it's because as you can see all that impervious on the screen um the fire department when they first built was the building structure itself and then the front parking area and then had a little bit of park asphalt in the back for the trucks to obviously drive around the building but all that parking at the that you see at the back here basically was built due to the fact that this is a place you go and catch your boats. So they needed the parking area to have some height to park back there. And so that got added, I don't know when, but again, that's not being captured by any kind of a stormwater facility. And so it needs to come back into compliance. So I've talked to them. We did put a little bit of design funds together. It was about $7,000 stormwater funds that I did go to the committee for, and we just approved as staff because it was a low amount. So we did add a little bit of design funds to get that water quality designed, feature design. But that's the reason why we need to put this back in compliance in our stormwater permit, our MS4 permitting. It really encourages, we call it retrofitting a property. And so being this is a government facility, we think this would be our first one, but we think it's a good idea to spend $200 to help this property get back in compliance. Because technically, they didn't have to do this. I mean, all they needed to do was, because their grandfather Dan has moved that dry pond, and we feel like that's not a good permanent solution. So where we're at right now is we have full design plans completed. We have an engineering estimate that was completed that has been shared to the Solid Fire Department fire chief. Obviously, all that impervious i just showed you all that parking area the the fire department does want to uh rehab all the asphalt so that wasn't part of this scope you know obviously dot is not paying for all that based on the right away acquisition so they've got to come up with those funds so that's what they're doing right now is they're going back to the county and trying to get more funds for the project They feel like they can get those fairly soon, so we're tentatively going to advertise this in September if they can get those funds. If not, it'll just get delayed till, you know, whenever. But we still are trying to get this thing bid out as soon as we can to go ahead and get the process started because we do know Old Merode is finally coming soon. And then there's obviously a little bit more, a little bit of material testing. So we have called one of our consultant we've used in the past. It's a very small amount, but there will be a little bit of testing that needs to be done. So DOT basically gave them $308,816 to move this pond. And obviously, to move it, you had to redo some of the stormwater pipe, meaning all the parking lots drained towards Overland Road, and now it's got to drain to the back. So you've got to reverse all of it. So all that's included in the 308. The design, obviously, has taken some of that. So right now, that's a total of 358 because, again, they're going to need every bit of that 308. So they knew the 49 was going to be extra. And they're basically in charge of all the overages. Again, we're gonna help them out with some storm funds, but that's it as far as that goes. So just wanted to give you a more close up of what I was talking about with the impervious. Again, that's all new asphalt back here. So it's a very big area that they want to improve. So that's a big number they've got to go get. So now, again, we gave them $7,000 to design the water quality feature. But now they've got to go back and get our total engineer's estimate with everything included $750,000. Their total would be the $259,000 plus the parking lot. And to convert that, to make that a water quality, basically we took several line items that are considered water quality line items, like your plantings, some of the vegetation, and for instance a trash rack uh you know items for the structure stuff like that that ends up being around 92 and again that's the engineer's estimate i haven't bid it out yet don't know what the total number is going to be but needed funds for the county they need to go back and get 397 000 to make this work but what i'm asking the town to do uh the council is approved using uh not to exceed a hundred thousand dollars of stormwater funds uh to help build the uh water quality pond and I'll be happy to answer any questions.

Question.

Yeah. So they need free 97.

They need three 97. Not, not including our stuff. That's all them.

And they will, they will, they'll be able to get that money.

I'm been told that shouldn't be a problem. Okay. I think if anything, the asphalt parking lot won't happen. That's about 150 something thousand just to do the asphalt. They've got to at least get $160,000, $170,000.

I'm fully supportive. We love all firemen. They do first responders. They do service when hopefully there's not a fire, but if there is. It's also a place where a lot of people go to vote, too, as well. It's a very big polling place.

Yeah, it's a lot of parking back here, so I'm sure it gets used seasonally.

I have a question. Yes, sir. Since the DOT, I guess, took part of that land, correct? Correct. And this is a reason why we're doing it. Yes. Do you know how much money the fire department received for that? For that land? That was that 308. It was a 308. Yeah. So out of that 375 that they need, am I understanding that right? 308 of it?

Yeah, 750 total. They've got basically 308 to play with. And they need more. They need the difference now. Okay. Yeah.

I just want to make sure I knew I understood what you know. Yeah. Yeah. No. Okay. Okay. All right. Can I get a motion?

I would like to make a motion to approve the request for using the additional $100,000 of stormwater funds for construction calls for the Stalin's Fire Department stormwater relocation project as presented.

All in favor. Unanimous.

All right.

Thank you, Mayor. Council.

Thank you. Okay. All right. So we're going to move on to budget amendments. Excuse me. Economic Development Agreement. I'm sorry.

all right sorry i had skipped to the next one in my mind so yes we are on the economic our economic development for the indian trail road water line um so council back in march of this year uh directed myself and and the team to work on an agreement with indian trail town center llc FOR NOT FOR AN AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED HALF A MILLION DOLLARS WE HAVE WORKED WITH MELANIE GOTTEN THAT AGREEMENT DRAFTED IT WENT TO TYPAR THEY WERE GOOD WITH IT IT'S COME BACK TO US SO NOW WE ARE HERE TONIGHT TO RATIFY THAT AGREEMENT ALSO WITH THAT IS THE BUDGET AMENDMENTS THAT IT'LL TAKE TO DO THAT It is my recommendation to in this year's budget, we allotted $200,000 for economic development to use that. And in the past, you all have put aside and saved out of past budgets an amount of $320,000 for economic development. so take 300 of that the 200 of this year's budget adds up to 500 to be able to fund that leaving in that let's call it the economic development savings account again i'm not using a budgetary term i'm using just a general term would still be about twenty thousand dollars sitting there for future projects that council wanted to do incentives for remember this doesn't mean that council does not have money to do incentives you would just have to do budget amendments from unassigned fund balance to move that money in the future if you wanted to explain very well so uh can i get a motion but before you do so i just want to say something i was part of the original council that approved this and

For some reason it wasn't, I don't know what the reason is, it wasn't enacted upon. And that we're back here again voting on this. So Melanie, based on this, this is executable, that we don't have to come back again? That's a clarifying question.

Once type are once the party agrees.

Correct.

Correct. I think the issue last time it was a three party agreement and the county never executed it.

All right. Okay. Thank you. Sorry, man. I just wanted to clarify that.

All right. One thing I probably should have said is that the funds aren't due to type are until after the line is in the ground and fully operational and approved by the county. So there the asset will be in place before any funds are given over to the developer.

Well, maybe I shouldn't ask this question, but did the county pay its into or do we know or do we know they did not?

That's why we're making a new agreement that does not include the county as the old one did.

Gotcha. Well, I was afraid of that. Okay. All right. So top. So they have to eat that. Is that basically what's what's what's happening?

All litigation, one of the two.

Okay. All right. Well, I'm glad to see Indian Trail step up and doing what they need to do. All right, now can I get a motion?

I'll make a motion to approve the request for you. Sorry, wrong one. Make a motion to approve the Economic Development Incentive Agreement as presented by Mr. McLem.

All in favor?

Now, I'll make a motion to approve the accompanying budget budgets amendments as presented.

All in favor. Unanimous.

And then I'll make a motion to approve the accompanying journal entry as presented.

All in favor. Unanimous. Very good. Thank you. This brings us up to see our TPO delegate in the alternate minutes. Correction Miss Sims, Mr. McLem.

So from time to time, when we're putting together minutes, we may reverse something in the minutes or things like that. Working with Melanie, if that happens, there are general statutes that allow us to update those, but you have to have clear and concise information to be able to do that. BECAUSE OUR MEETINGS ARE ON YOUTUBE, WE HAVE THAT INFORMATION. SO TO DO THIS, WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO IS SHOW A VERY SHORT, IT'S A MINUTE AND 20 SECONDS, IF THAT, CLIP FROM THE MEETING THAT THIS TOOK PLACE AT, AND THEN WE WOULD ASK FOR COUNSEL TO MAKE A MOTION TO UPDATE THE MINUTES TO WHAT HAPPENED AT THE MEETING. SO THIS IS THE SHORT CLIP OF THE MEETING.

Okay, next is the CRTPO, Charlotte Regional Transportation Planning Organization, and I need a nomination. I think I know who has done a fantastic job with it, and who would like to nominate Clarence?

Would you?

All in favor? Unanimous. All right, alternate delegate. Clarence, would you like to?

I'd like to nominate Mayor Cohn.

All in favor? Unanimous.

So the way that we wrote the minutes was that, uh, the way that the minutes were written and approved was that mayor cone was the primary delegate and council member also Brooks was the alternate delegate. But as you can see through the recording, it was actually the exact opposite. So all we're looking for is, uh, approval to update the minutes.

I can make a motion for you if you want, Mayor. You sure? Go ahead. Yeah. I'll make a motion to approve the correction of December 9th, 2025 meeting, reflecting Councilmember Altsabrooks, Clarence Altsabrooks, as the primary delegate, and the Mayor, Mr. David Cohen, as the alternate delegate of CRTPO as presented.

All in favor? Unanimous.

Thank you.

Thank you. I just want to quickly say that Clarence had been the primary delegate for quite some time. And then of course we did, It did get put on social media by a council person who actually voted for it, voted in this and and said that. That that was incorrect, that he went by the minutes, even though he knew better. So anyway, I'm not going I'm not going to divulge in that. It's just kind of a sad situation. But let's move on to new business. CRTPO called for projects, Mr. Hansinger.

All right, so talk to Adam about this and try to get a sense of what projects could we submit this fall call. Again, if you don't recall, I talked a little bit about this previously, but there you've got a significant amount of money For this fall call, usually it's only around 30 million, and they're a little bit over 50 due to not using some monies in the previous iteration. So I think it's an opportunity to at least At least submit at least one project. I'm going to show you two projects tonight, but again, if we can at least do one of them, I think would be a good idea, just because there's opportunity there. I think you're going to get a lot of applicants, so it's probably going to be a tough application process to get award funding, but I think we ought to take a shot at it. So two projects tonight I'd like to talk about is Chestnut Lane-Potter Road intersection improvements. That's one of the intersections in our transportation master plan. And Price Mill Creek Greenway. All right, so if you go to your transportation management plan, basically this is the drawing you'll see in the main body of the document and the appendixes. So what the suggestions or recommendations were was to basically add two right turn lane movements on, and I'll zoom in here in a minute, on two legs of the intersections and then extend left turn lanes on the other sections. And then basically improves all pedestrian safety features like curb ramps, the ped push buttons. Right now, there's no crosswalks out there right now. All the striping's kind of gone. And then add a sidewalk that's missing in the styling section. So if you look at it, so it would be, this right turn lane would be a brand new lane. Right now it's a straight right combo. You would build a brand new right turn lane coming up from the neighborhoods on the east side, or west side of the town, going to East Lee. You would add a right turn lane, right now that's a straight right, and then you would extend the left turn lane along Potter going north, and then the left turn lane I believe, I didn't highlight it, but I believe that some potter going south, you would extend that left turn lane a little bit as well. And then again, do improvements, reflectivity markings, all these curb ramps need to be updated, and then add that, if you go back to the other drawing, this section of sidewalk here is not there. This is the NHL parcel, but it's basically Stalin's subdivisions that need to be connected back to this intersection. So I picked this one, or suggested this to Adam, because we're gonna come to y'all in September, with a suggestion to do a joint venture with Stollins to connect the sidewalk on Chestnut on the west side of town where the new subdivisions have been built west of Callenwood South, if y'all know that area. There's missing sidewalk connections and they would like us to partner with them. Chestnut Lane in that area is a mixed bag of Stollins and Indian Trail parcels. So we'd like to extend that all the way to Weddington Road. Is that correct, Weddington Road? So I think if we're gonna do that, if y'all decide to do that, then I think it's a good idea to go ahead and get this started in the process. Again, you're talking about, If we would get approved in 2026, we wouldn't be able to do design until 2029. So it would be a long ways away. But again, you would be able to at least start the process of getting this updated. So I thought just being that it's not money-wise, it's... A few million, because just of those turn lanes, that's pretty much what you're eating the money. But if we can get an 80-20 split, it would be a little over half a million to the town, the span. Again, you would have several years, from 29 all the way to 2031, 32, to spend out that money and then get reimbursement for it. Anyway, and then the next one is Price Mill Creek Greenway. uh this this project is actually in the prior prioritization eight uh that's the process of trying to get projects into the step and so they've uh they started that process right now it has been ranked it is not ranked very well uh we do have two projects uh in the pedestrian what they call non-highway group it's this project and their sidewalk connections project and if you don't if you don't recall that that's all our gap connections we have like eight the nine streets that we combine all together that actually got ranked high out of 40 non-highway projects in p8 uh that is number seven so i feel like that's got a great shot of getting to the step so uh i wouldn't mess with that right now but the price mill is in the middle of the road lower half it's just It's been sitting there, Lord knows, since me and Adam have been here. And so it's just never going to get funded through that process. I think it's an ideal candidate greenway-wise because, again, Omer Road is coming. I know some people don't think that, but it is coming. And you're going to have a 10-foot multi-use path on that side of Omer Road that this greenway will connect to. And as you can see, it's going to connect. Six subdivisions will have opportunities to get to that greenway. Some of them will have to walk a little longer than others, but it's, to me, going to get used probably more than most greenways we've got planned in the future. Again, we've got one and a half miles. If you look at the county parcels, we already own about 80% of the property already that we don't even have to pay for. So that's a savings in itself. We don't have to go back and buy that permanent easement from these folks. We would just have to deal with heritage subdivision, which I think they would welcome that connection. And then several parcels right there along Omer Road where we have our park property. So again, I think it's an ideal candidate to move forward with if you would like. This is a big number because we use DOT's estimating tool, so I haven't really had a chance to really break down the cost. I don't think it's going to cost $4.7 million, but again, that's what the program spit out. So that would obviously, at 80-20 split, that would be a million dollars we'd be on the hook for, which again, I don't think it's gonna cost that much to build, if we act sooner rather than later. And I'll be happy to answer any questions about those two projects.

Do you recommend, you acted a little hesitant about doing both projects.

No, I just, no, I don't have any hesitancy, but I mean, I want to be transparent in the fact that, you know, there's only three intersections we have in the master plan. We've already got one starting. Like, we're going to start doing design for Stinson Hardest, Yonks Road, Indian Trail Fairview. So there's only two left. It's that one and Faith Church in Unionville. Faith Church in Unionville is pretty high cost-wise. But I can't pick this one because... i would think not you know i'm not making a decision for y'all but i would think the partnership of stalin's to do that sidewalk connections it's probably a good project to move forward with and if you're going to do that then you know why not try to improve this intersection it's it doesn't fail right now it's fine right now but we we do forecast the 2050 it will fail in 2050 and that's crash ratio data and everything it's going to fail You have about 25 crashes a year at the intersection. We did look at redoing the intersection to a roundabout, to an RCI intersection. It doesn't work because Potter has more volume, and it's only a two-lane road than Chestnut does. So that misbalance with the traffic is not acceptable to those types. And a roundabout would fail in 2050, so you don't want to build a roundabout. So this is a cheaper option is build some turn lanes and do some pedestrian improvements.

So I recommend, I mean, like the recommendation from myself and the team would be to go after both projects.

Okay. Yeah. I think that speaks volumes. You don't have any questions or clearance?

Question. And did I understand you say Stalin's is submitting the project also as a joint?

No, no, this is Stalin's. went to their board to see if they would be willing to fund it now without any help. So they have agreed to do that. So we'll be coming to y'all to actually build a project without any help from any funding sources.

That's a completely different project than the ones that we're talking about right now. These are two projects. We will come at the next council meeting with another project that is solely sidewalk connections and a bridge over the creek down there at the low point on Chestnut.

yeah it's it's a it's technically a low priority project for us in our pet plan but since stalin's is willing to spend money to do it to me i think that you know it helps assist us in saying that you know uh we maybe should we should look at moving forward you know sooner rather than later since we're getting help with it okay good

But tonight we would need a motion to go to put both of these projects in for the fall call. Can I get a motion?

Yeah. I'll make a motion to submit both of the projects presented by Mr. Hunsinger for the fall call for projects with CRTPO.

All in favor. Unanimous. Thank you. All right. Thank you, Mayor. Thank you, Todd. All right. That brings us up to see our TPO update. And I'll do that on time. You're also Brooks. We're getting down to the nitty gritty.

No, no, no. We're telling you we're doing good on time. Don't mess it up.

Well, thank you, Mr. Also Brooks. That was good. Councilman McIntyre would say also Brooks Clarence also Brooks. All right. Ready. All right. So kind of catch up what's going on here. On Monday, May 11th, the city of Charlotte voted six to five to rescind the support for the current I-77 South express lanes. From what I was told, it was kind of a spare the moment thing that they didn't really know what was gonna happen. They had one council member that, Wasn't really sure which way they were going to lean, but the final result was a six to five. So with that said, at the May CRTPO meeting, the mayor of Matthews made a motion for CRTPO's board to vote to follow Charlotte's footsteps in receiving its support for the I-77 South Lane project. Now, this item wasn't on our agenda for the May meeting, so it needed a supermajority to pass. With that said, Charlotte, we have a weighted vote, and Charlotte carries 40 votes. The motion passed with a supermajority. Are you advanced? Okay, there you go, thank you. So, no, you go ahead, you're doing a good job. So after that vote was cast to rescind support, then soon after that, Senator Vicky Soria proposed language for Senate Bill 257, the language discussed that a reimbursement rule that would require the municipalities of the MPO that voted to rescind his support for the I-77 South Express lanes to be responsible, repay NCDOT back between 60, $64 million for the preliminary cost. And I'm happy to say that Indian Trail was not part of that. We were not one of those municipalities. And with that said, I cast a vote that we did not rescind support. And again, the reason was that

it wasn't on the agenda i didn't have time to come back to the council to discuss anything so that was my decision at the time can i interrupt you for just one second yes sir i want to interrupt you and just say before you did that his clearance did not vote with the majority the super majority he voted against the super majority therefore indian trail did not owe millions of dollars to for what what this is all about and i'm just just saying that kudos to our crtpo rep who i know benrose got got caught up in all that and those couple of million dollar or they don't act could owe a couple of million dollars along with other towns and i just just wanted it to be known that that you did the right thing that you didn't join you didn't join the super majority you didn't you didn't vote for an item that wasn't on the agenda that they put on the agenda and rushed through and i'm just going to say good job and go on

Thank you. So if we broke it down, what NCDOT is saying is they spend about $60 million to this point, you know, on this project. And excuse me. And since we have a weighted vote, Indian Trail is at two votes. We that's based on population. Indian Trail is at about 45,000 in population. Once Indian Trail hits 50,000, then we will receive another vote or unless something changes, and then we have three votes. So what they did is they broke it down. The 40 votes of Charlotte was, you know, how much they would pay, and then each other municipality that voted against it, how much they would pay based on their vote, which is based on the population. So with that said, at the July CRTPO meeting, a few municipality reps hinted that after having some discussion with their boards, they might have second thoughts about voting to rescind. So the motion, it was asked, the motion failed at that time, but we were advised that the money was still in the step and that we could cast another vote at the September meeting. So with that said, I want you to come back, present it to our two board members that are here now, and see if you have any feedback. I strongly suggest that we continue the same path until we have more information or more information is available because NCDOT was saying that they haven't presented all their information yet.

Whatever path you choose that we don't end up owing money is the path I suggest. Having said that, I don't agree with a punitive measure, but I do think that the deliberation that you've engaged in has been very well serving. I know the mayor talked about Clarence's approach to this, but many of you didn't know Clarence was not on the town council, and he was coming to every one of those CRTPO meetings because I was a representative, I think, at that time. And Clarence has taken this on very seriously in that Charlotte, as you know, has 40 votes. We have two. So Charlotte always, the projects can, it's a bigger city and you have big banks and other big companies there. But in Indian Trail, Clarence being there at the table, attending the meetings, gives us representation that Todd and his team can present projects and we can get them funded. So kudos to Clarence for really taking this on and being our primary delegate. To the fact that when I was on there, I never got up here and speak. So you can see he's elevated sort of the representation and what he's bringing back to the council and to the residents. So kudos to you, Clarence. But whatever path you choose, make sure we don't pay, but we get money. I'm all right with it. Thank you.

I second everything he just said. But no, honestly, you've you obviously made a good decision whenever you were put under the pressure and I fully support what you did.

Thank you.

I appreciate that.

Well, again, with that said, I have not done this on my own. I've been supported and coached and mentored by, you know, various people. I appreciate that. And the mayor himself, the mayor is the alternate. The mayor and I actually we still have discussions. He'll call me. He gets the agenda. He'll call me about things. that are going on in crtpo we have that discussion and so i try my best to make sure that i don't go up there and say what clarence wants to say so it is something that i still continuously have conversation and i did sent to the town manager an email to send out to all the council so that the council could have feedback as well so all right no other questions or comments all right well we'll keep it going in thank you hang on there's one other thing that you had asked can you pull up that picture oh okay I actually do have it so Yes, we what we did, we have some citizens here concerned citizens, and we got a phone call from a citizen that had some questions about their road and pavement and thought it was a good idea to get Felix, who's the engineer up there from or we got some NCDOT reps up there. The mayor, Todd Hunsinger, town manager, myself, and we asked him to come down so that we can so that they can see the conditions of some of the roads in Indian Trail and put eyes on it so that we can have a more in-depth conversation of the streets and the traffic in Indian Trail. And also, i should have started a presentation with this but i would like to do a did you know on my presentation and i have a question so this is more of a question because i don't know so if you know that's good or what do you call someone who lives in indian trail so i call them an indian trillion That's what you call it. That's what I call it.

But I mean, I don't know.

I think we need an official.

I'm not going to tell you what my wife calls me sometimes. It's not necessarily Indian Trillian, but she's, I'm kidding.

What do you call it?

You know, being born and raised.

Born and raised. We never, never. we stuck more with Spartans. We were proud to be Sun Valley people, so we never had anything to do as far as Indian Trail, because again, Indian Trail was much smaller. It was about 2,000.

All the state champs lived on in Sun Valley.

You got that right, you got that right. But no, I throw that question out to the community, and I would like, if anyone has any, there's people been here longer than me, or if anybody has any suggestions, I would like to know, so that's the...

I think we ought to work on a flag for Indian Trail. I'd like to have our own flag, but we won't get in that discussion. Just something to think about.

We'll call them good people that love their council and love to support the council in everything they do.

That's what we'll call them. Thank you, I appreciate it. Thank you, Mr. Clarence. All right, this brings us up to the manager's report.

I'll be short tonight, just two things. First one is Todd and his team got authorization, right-of-way authorization today for Highway 74 mixed-use path and Greenway from NCDOT, so we will start moving forward on the right-of-way that we need for that project to keep it moving forward. And the last one, I will, we are not going to sing, but I will say happy birthday to Ms. Trina. It is her birthday today. So.

Well, I'll sing. No kidding. Just kidding. Just kidding. I wouldn't put you through that on your birthday. Thank you, Adam. Very, very good. Very good job tonight on all that was explained. Brings us to council member comments.

Council member McIntyre.

All right, let's go. Let's make it quick. Before I close tonight, I want to reflect on something special that happened in our community today. We had the privilege of unveiling a street in honor of Mr. Jerome Sutton. Mr. Sutton means a great deal to this community, and recognizing him reminds us of the lasting impact one person can have through service to others. I also want to thank Ms. Buhalik for her continued efforts with Adopt the Court, supporting the men and women who serve and protect all community matters, and we appreciate her commitment. And while we're talking about service, I'll say this. Public service requires courage. Leadership is not about showing up only when decisions are easy or the votes are comfortable. The people elect us to show up, take a position, cast the difficult votes, and be accountable to them. When the moment gets uncomfortable, that is precisely when leadership matters most. Avoiding a difficult decision does not make the responsibility disappear. In that same spirit of responsibility and service, that's going to carry on into our schools as the new year begins. My wife and I, one of our sons starts his college journey on Thursday, and we are incredibly proud of him. Of course, there's one small benefit. His room is going to officially become my new gym. I also wish Mr. McClam and Mrs. Cox and their families the very best as their children begin their college journeys as well. To all of our students returning to elementary, middle, high school, college, I wish you a safe and successful year. And to our teachers, educators, administrators, school resource officers, crossing guards, cafeteria workers, coaches, and support staff, thank you. My mother worked in education for about close to 50 years. Working in education is more than a job. It's a vocation. We know they do not pay the teachers and everybody else as much as they should, but these are very important people within our community and we are very grateful for the commitment to our children. I want to thank each and every one of you for here tonight, for putting up with us, for listening to the questions that I asked and other members of the Council asked. We don't just ask this question in a vacuum. We ask them to really get information and to make informed decisions because we take this very seriously. Staff, I know it's a little bit late for you. We do appreciate all that you do. um the good thing is when you have one month one meeting this month before we get back to our two regular meetings mayor thank you for putting up with me but to each of you who serve and who participate i want to say thank you to each of you you matter a lot to the community it's an honor to sit up here and to be able to serve you in the best that we can and with that i say to everybody have a wonderful rest of the summer and have a pleasant evening councilmember vihalik

All right. See, I was going to say I'm going to take all of Marcus's time, but then he talks a lot, so I'm going to make mine short, I hope. No, I wanted to kind of piggyback a little bit. The unveiling today of was it Jerome Sutton Way, correct? Yeah. It just felt good. It felt good to do something good for someone who meant so much. And as the cars drove by and people were honking and waving and just seeing how it put a smile on his face. And I looked at him and I said, how do I get my name you know up there and he's like it's not for me it's for the kids and that really truly does someone is that humble it really shows us how good the people in Indian Trail are so I also wanted to mention him I hear congratulations are in order for someone Alicia so I wanted to say that and then let's see I have a whole bunch of I'm trying really hard to make this shorter summer is always a little bit slower with meetings but august starts things back up so i have a central line meeting tomorrow i'm going back with the chamber for women in business and leadership union coming up so hopefully we'll get some ideas to bring back for council to maybe use in our town and then i wanted to recognize common heart as they celebrated their 20th anniversary recently i did get to go to that ribbon cutting which was really fun and it's really nice to see someone in our community, again, making such a difference. So I already said thank you to all my adopt-a-cop people. Again, thank you to the Sheriff's Department for keeping us safe. I know y'all are busy. Hopefully I'll get to do a ride-along soon and see how busy y'all are. But everybody, thank y'all for coming and have a great night.

I want to say thank you to the citizens that are here tonight and investing in your government, seeing how your government runs and being a part of it. I'll say congratulations to Ms. Massey and Mr. Cobb on their promotions. I want to say happy birthday to Indian Trail citizen Sherry Hammonds. This is fundraiser season. Crisis Assistance Ministry is having a fundraiser going on. I ask you to go to their website and look and feel free to donate if you feel led. The Veterans Memorial out there, I want you to know that there are scholarships if you know a veteran that needs their name out there. And if a scholarship is needed, you come talk to me or Mr. Patrick O'Connor back there. Mr. McIntyre, not to single you out, but I want to say thank you for the questions that you asked this evening. Those financial questions helped me and it helps me learn more things that I don't think about, so I greatly appreciate that. Also to the citizens, I would encourage you to also watch the planning board meetings. They go into a little more depth on the things that you hear. And because I can see it in your faces, sometimes we're discussing things and if it goes over your head or it seems like, hey, they're not really getting into the meat of things, I encourage you to watch the planning board meetings as well. and they're on YouTube. Also, I've always said thank you to the employees that work on holidays so that we can enjoy, whether it's Fourth of July parade or whatever, we can enjoy things. But forgive me, I should be including law enforcement first responders. They're there. at the parades and things like that so that we can um have a good time and i never say thank you to our town attorney who does a great job as well so with that said i really appreciate seeing everyone here tonight hope you continue to come hope you spread a good word in indian trail and i hope you bring people with us with you so they can see how their government runs have a good night

Very good. Mayor Cohn. I would like to thank Lieutenant Norris. You did a good job tonight. Tell Andy he better not miss too many more meetings. You did a great job. Also, Jerome Sutton is quite a great guy and couldn't happen to a better person. Marcus, thank you for being who you are. Asking those questions and the same to all of you. You're here tonight. Tonight was a night we had to answer some big questions and make some big decisions. And I think what you said, Marcus,

It meant a lot.

It meant a lot. So thank you all real quick. I meant to do this earlier. I did. And I also wanted to tell you about what all I saw at the Aquatic Center. I'm not going to get into that and we'll save that for next time. But real quick, the mayor's pretty busy this week. I think it's important that the public know that that I don't sit around, do nothing. So I went to the copper tapping tapping table, new restaurant. It's where the, uh, East coast wings were good restaurant. Um, they're gonna be here the next, uh, meeting and they're gonna present something and I'm gonna try to talk them into bringing our food, uh, to, to, uh, steak. What now? Steak with my order steak. I'll put a steak. Okay. No, but I am gonna, I'm gonna joke. Try to see if I can do that. I attended ABC board meeting and I think we're going to get a big check from pretty soon. I think that's really good. I also attended the Crime Stoppers lunch meeting. Crime Stoppers will be here in September. for the meeting in Indian Trail it's never been in Indian Trail it's going to be here and I'm very proud of that so I'm glad it's coming we had Facebook live great meeting with the Legion post we talked to some good people there we had I spoke at a something called the Convention of States at the uh golden corral on sat a couple of saturdays ago i was the guest speaker and i enjoyed it it was it was a lot of fun uh coffee with the mayor this last time was at the vfw some of you were here were there i see in this room were there it was great we had a big crowd there the mayor cooked hamburgers and hot dogs and had good stuff and before i forget to say this I'm not taking credit for all this because staff helps me out a lot with all this stuff. Staff staff is behind the mayor 100%. We had some great questions and they got some answers. Went to Kimberly's place, moved to Monroe. I don't know if anybody knew that Kimberly's place used to be right here in town. They've got a nice place that they bought up in Monroe. Very nice. Went up there and visited them. We did a ride with DOT. Clarence and I, and you saw everybody that was in that picture. Rode through some neighborhoods and Wesley Chapel Road. Something I don't have on here, and I wanted to say this. I got a call from a resident the other day that actually complained about rightfully so complained about Wesley chapel road. And I called DOT and, um, they said they'd try to help us out. They actually, uh, said we need to put some long, they called them long patches. and within two days they had two long patches on Wesley, two or three long patches on Wesley Chapel Road. And I thought that was, you've seen them out there, Clarence, which is, it's amazing that it happened that fast. Met with the senior group downstairs, went to the aquatic center, met, Met with 316 Sports with John Sprinkle, Ronnie Bowers, and Jeff and Seth Sullivan. Christian Sports here in town with, it's not First Baptist Church anymore, it is? Church of Indian Trail. Church of Indian Trail. We had breakfast with the sheriff, ate with Andy and the chief and Adam and myself about every month and a half. Adam and I visited the residents that got flooded, their yard got flooded, and Adam being the man he is, is gonna try to work with them. I don't think it's Indian Trail's fault at all. They had bought a house in a flood zone. but it's just just who we are and it's just who you are adam and it's just just what i'm so proud to work with the town then we're going to help them anyway or do our best to help them anyway stop by moore park and i'd say jim's left i saw jim and i saw multiple people for the water line there there's y'all having some some uh bumps in the road over there putting that water line in so but anyway I think it's getting straightened out met with a couple of Chase Estep on some future projects went to back to school bash on Saturday man I enjoyed that giving away some bags and school supplies to children. And we had some good food and it was just a great time. Went and worked with a deer stand neighborhood. Miss Moore was here tonight and went work with them. But without all that being said, that The mayor gets pushed and helped by the staff. And staff, thank you so much. Adam, you're great to work with. And council, I appreciate all the ones that are here tonight. And with that being said, I think we've been here long enough and I've been talking long enough. What else, what do I need? Oh, we do have a closed session.

Oh.

I forgot, I forgot. We have a closed session tonight, okay. Well, I can still say I'm done, right? I'm done.

Yes, yes, yes. I thought you were asking for a motion to adjourn.

No, no, I'm done now. Okay. And now that I'm done, I say God bless everybody. And we are going into closed session. So we're going to enter into a closed session under NCGS 14331811 a five to establish and instruct the staff or agent concerning the negotiation of a piece of a price in terms of a contract concerning the acquisition and on another page uh acquisition of real property located at uh 704 0704 8019b and 07105036 and under ncgs 134 318 11 a3 to consider and give instructions concerning the followers following judicial actions town of indian trail versus liquid management 24 CV 002. What now? You don't have to read the file numbers. I don't have to read that. Okay, very good.

Do y'all want... And Town of Indian Trail versus P&G.

Do what now?

In the second case, Town of Indian Trail versus P&G.

Town of Indian Trail versus... PNG. And you tell me I don't have to read that.

The file number.

Okay. Just just give it in. Okay. Okay. Okay.

And don't read the numbers.

All right. LLC LLC to for CV two seven five six dash eight nine. I get a motion.

So move.

Okay. All in favor. We're going into closed session. Thank you all for being here.

I get a motion to come out of closed session. All in favor.

Motion to close closed session.

Motion to come out and close session.

Motion to return to open session.

Motion to come out and close session? It's fine. It's all fine. You got it right.

Are you going to vote?

Motion to close closed session.

All in favor?

Motion to adjourn.