Board of Aldermen - Regular Meeting

Which one of those maple tree and them squirrels would get up there and get those and Dan, can you hear us? Yes,

I can't hear you, Dan. Can you hear me now?

I can hear you. I can hear you guys. AB bridge, isn't it?

Hang on. She's coming up with We'll get We'll get started here in a second. Dan, can you hear us? We can't hear you. Can you hear me now?

We're working on it. This one down here. Try it now, Dan.

Hello. Testing one, two, three. Can you hear me? Can you hear me this way?

My god, I hope not. What is it said on that? Shouldn't make a difference.

Never had a problem. Maybe remember the last time it was the information. Yeah, it what are you what am I doing over here didn't have any issue at PNZ but that was you had a board meeting last everything was fine everything was fine somebody younger than me

I mean Just try all the speakers and have Dan talk. I can sing a song. Brian, I guess has called just in. Want me to sing a song now? Sorry. Hello. Can you hear me? I'm talking. I can keep talking. I can sing a song. Didn't open in the Should we get started? You guys can uh Are

we having a problem with everybody on We just can't hear anything. Yeah. Can No, I say because it didn't even when she hit record, it didn't say record. Nothing. Mr. Howard. Hello. Hi, Carz. You can hear me? Yes, sir. Okay, I'm gonna call them. Okay, we're working on that. I can hear you, too, Dan. All right, Eric, sounds good. You what? So, the people online can hear me. Okay. The people online can hear him. We just can't hear you. You guys can't hear me. Okay. Okay.

And all everybody online can already hear me sing a song for you guys. So, please don't Yeah. You know, don't don't say anything bad because they can hear you right now. I know. Wait, the speaker is set to just have Dan talk. Can you hear me? Yeah. What' we do? All good. Somebody else speak now.

Everybody online can hear me. Marissa, we can hear you now. Okay, let's let's move forward. So, as I mentioned, uh let's call to order the February 12th, 2026 board committee meeting. If everyone would please join us in the pledge.

Uh Jane, if you do roll call, please. Alderman Lang here. Alderman Alderman Harold here. Alderman Alderwoman Heels here. Alderwoman Joker. Alderman Mazerang here. Alderman Britsh is excused absent. Alderman Whisper and Alderman Rogers are not here.

All right. Mayor's comments. I'll be very brief. Uh if anybody has any contact information for Mo Giraffe. I promised that uh raccoons would fly out the windows when the house came down. Well, that's exactly what happened today. So, uh, no more house, no more mo giraffe, I suppose. Inside inside joke if everybody just so everybody understands. Uh, public comments. Jane, do we have public comments? I have no public comments.

Okay. Is anyone on Zoom? Don't see anybody in the audience that is requesting public comments. So, we're going to move then to our finance. In the absence of Alderman Whisbrock, Alderman Lang agreed to uh carry the finance committee. And on that committee are Lang, Hules, and Jokers.

Thank you, Mr. Mayor. We've got two things tonight. First, we have the December 31st draft monthly financial report uh from Tammy Alop. And if we go to the back page here, I'm sure everybody's had a chance to look at it. We can see in cash and investments our total funds $29,549,297. Uh next today we have a consideration of the 2026 municipal tax rate. See Nick memo from Nikki Fininker. Nikki have anything? Yes. This is the annual approval of the zero um the zero tax rate for real and personal property tax for the city of Fenton. Um at this time I'd like to make a motion to approve. Okay. Need a second. Alderman Huels.

I'll second. We have a motion by Alderman Lang. We have a second by Alderman Hues. We have further discussion. All in favor? Opposed? Motion carries. That's all I have tonight. Thank you, sir. We're going to move to Alderman Herold, uh, who's leaison of the Planning and Zoning Commission.

Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Uh, tonight, all recommendations from Planning and Zoning Commission will be forwarded to the next board meeting for a public hearing and consideration unless otherwise noted. Announcements from Planning and Zoning Commission. There are none. Planning and zoning commission recommended the following approval with conditions of case 2026 SUP01 a petition by Muhammad Al Kerwi of Nightowl Tobacco LLC for a special use permit to operate a tobacco shop at 794 Gravoy Bluffs Boulevard sweet A property is zone C1 commercial district petitioner is is relocating ating from 35 Gravoy Bluffs Drive into the vacant tenant space previously occupied by a cell phone repair shop. During the planning and zoning commission meeting, it was noted that the tobacco shop did not permit consumption on site and do not permit the sale of hemp or hemp derived products and the sale of tobacco and vape products is age restricted. Next we have approval of case 2026REZ01 consideration of a request to reszone certain properties from St. Louisis County NU non-urban district to the city of Fenton the non-urban residential district to conform with the comprehensive plan. The partials are addressed as 256 Allen Road, 272 Allen Road, 515 Bush Forest Lane, 526 Bush Forest Lane, 527 Bush Forest Lane, 539 Bush Forest Lane, 550 Bush Forest Lane,

555 Bush Forest Lane, 566 Bush Forest Lane, 567 Bush Forest Lane, 450 South Highway 141, 478 8 South Highway 141, 605 South Highway Old 141 Highway and South Old Highway 140. This this request is to reszone properties located in the residential planning area uh to the of the comprehensive plan still under St. Louis County as non-urban district to the city's NU non-urban residential district to conform with the comprehensive plan. The resoning will preserve and protect the existing uses while restrict restricting incompatible uses and will not affect the current use of any property. Several members of the public are attendance at the planning and zoning commission meeting ask questions and got and get more information. U at this time I guess I'd like Amy to come up and speak to this a little bit. First of all, I Amy, I'd like to see your festive socks.

My Yeah. Yeah. I mean, Valentine. Her dinosaur heart socks. So, I'm told. Amy,

I'm five. I like No, I just wanted to address some comments that the city attorney and I received after the planning and zoning commission meeting. And just to clarify some things for the record because I think there was some confusion about what the lot sizes would be allowed under the NU zoning because it was stated during the meeting that the comprehensive plan encourages large lot residential developments that are a minimum of one acre. Um again the comprehensive plan is a future planning document. It is our policy guide but it is not law. So the actual lot sizes would be established through the zoning. So for the NU district, um the minimum lot size would be 3 acres. That is the same as the the lot size under the St. Louis County zoning. So we're not proposing any changes under the city's NU zoning district regulations. Um we were very careful uh when we were drafting the regulations for the NU district to not create any requirements that were inconsistent with the existing lots um or the existing neighborhood or to create any nonconformity. So, I just wanted to clarify that the NU district would require three acres. Um, just for just for the record.

Any question? Okay, looks like that's all I have. Thank you, Amy. Great. Then, thank you, sir. We're going to move then to Alderman Hughes, who is liaison of our parks recreation committee tree advisory board.

Thank you, sir. Announcements from the park and recreation committee tree advisory board. Committee elected Gary Johnson as chairperson, Mary Heinman as vice chairperson, and Mike Abbott, who's in the audience this evening, as secretary. The committee discussed the following. No action was taken. Replacement of bird houses in the city parks. Also, Mike Abbott is graciously been making those for us. And park projects in the 2026 capital improvement plan. Due to the Labor Day holiday, the committee's September meeting will be held on Wednesday, September 2nd, 2026. The 2026 Arbor Day observation will be held on Saturday, April 11th, 2026 in Fenton City Park. The parks and recreation committee tree advisory board recommended the following. Approval of requests by Stanton Elementary for a kindness garden in Fenton City Park. We do have Carissa Leathers on the line from Stanton. If anybody has any questions, there is a handout in your packet that has a um sort of an example of what she's proposing for this. Uh

okay. Do we want to let Carissa give us a little um preview and then we'll open it up for a question? I know Alderman Joker's ask a question. Sure. Carissa, if you'd like to explain kind of what your premise behind the kindness garden, that'd be great.

Yes. Um so to this is our inaugural year for having the student leadership group was which is an elementary level student council and I am looking for more opportunities for our kiddos to get involved into the community um and just kind of do something special since it is our inaugural year. We utilize Fenton Park for many activities through the school and I know that a lot of our students and their families use the park. Um, so we thought this would be something that would be wellreceived and the students and the families would also help with so it's not something that's fancy and exciting one year and then all of a sudden it gets dilapitated. It'll be something that we can carry on throughout the years of the program. So, um it's not something you have to worry about being an eyes sore or being a hazard of any kind. Um I don't I you have those packets. So, you see the inspiration picture behind it. Um it's very minimal cost to the parks board. Um I previously served on a parks board where I lived and I know that um cost is always very important. Um so, I just you have all the information in front of you. I wanted to be here to make sure that if you had any questions about it, I could address it.

Alderman Jokers. Uh yeah, one, you know, I always kind of love this kind of stuff. Uh I did have a suggestion of near the war memorial like but you know we're we want peace. So just kind of expressing kindness. So I would suggest something around the war memorial. Um but also um who does the upkeep? I know you said, "Oh, it won't be an eyesore, but uh cuz over the years you'll be attending it, but like usually weeds kind of come weekly." So, right. Uh how would that who who would be maintaining it, weeding it, all that stuff?

So, the student leadership group compromises of the fourth and fifth grade of Stanton. Um, as of right now, we're hoping to expand and include our third grade, but what we've discussed at our meetings was that the students and their families will rotate weeks um in, you know, flowering months, everyone will have an opportunity to have it be their duty. We also need to keep an eye on it because, um, the little rocks that would be in it that are painted, those can leave. So they are going to be um part of the concept of the kindness garden is you take what you need kind of thing and then you can hide like the little rocks wherever and I used the example during the parks board meeting reading of the um if you see like the little Jesus in a target hopefully they're not putting the rocks in the target but who knows um so you can take these rocks and my point was I'm sorry um was that the kiddos were going to need to come in and check and make sure that we always have ample rocks that they're filled. So, this is going to take some maintenance. And so, it's going to, like I said, it'll just be a weekly duty for whoever's on rotation. And, um, if I have somebody that can't make it that week, then I have no problem. I'll go by and I'll make sure that it gets checked on.

I'm always a fan of kindness and spreading kindness and love. So, thank you for the idea. Okay. Thank you. Any other questions? Um, any anybody have any questions? Dan, uh, you're going to kind of be the city's watchdog on this. Do you have any comments?

Uh, yeah, we'll keep an eye on it, too. I mean, we have guys in the park, you know, throughout almost every day. Um, and I'm sure we could stay in contact with Cariss if we see anything that gets out of line. Um, but yeah, I mean, I think it's a good good thing to look forward to and if the board approves it, um, you know, look forward to having this implemented in our parks.

Um, the only thing that I'll say is I think that, uh, we should give this a try. Um, on the surface sounds like a good idea. Uh, but at some point in time, if it does become an issue, then certainly I think you'll understand. uh will come to you and say something isn't working. As far as the location, I think there were some suggestions at parkboard and not necessarily at the heroes memorial because it it's more prone to flooding there.

There was a suggestion also the little wedge that's kind of across from Ron's like the that they landscape during the um Harbor Day event, the new kind of that that there's a walking path there. So, um that's not a place that public works cuts cuz it's mulch. So, it would be easy to easy to maintain and also people walk that path pretty um readily. So, that'd be kind of the spot that the park committee was talking about. Okay. If there aren't any other questions, thank you, Carissa. And this will be uh forwarded to our board meeting at the end of the month. All right. Thank you so much, guys. Thanks, Chris.

Thanks. Have a good evening. Uh, next we have an approval amendment to the city's park shelter and event usage fees policies limiting rentals for Budweis pavilion for city residents only. As you know, Valiant and Westside are both neighborhood parks as Budwe is also and it has very limited parking. I think there's 15 spots and those 15 spots include two handicap spots. And so, um, the idea was to make, uh, Budwe also just a resident only rental. Um, especially with the new playground forest nullles right there. And, um, you know, that that just just wanted to get your thoughts on making that a resident only rental as well.

So, I don't uh I don't have any disagreements. So, there is very limited uh parking. Same with Westside. West Side's got limited parking. So, some of our parks uh that are up closer to our neighborhoods um that are limited with parking, it's tough to have a large group there at at Budwe with with the with the parking that's there. And it's not like there's another parking lot very close either. Um maybe Nikki would know. Uh, didn't people used to rent that pavilion for weddings and stuff or was it popular for that or I this would be a better question for Dan on his rent because they the parks or public works department actually takes in the rentals through um parks and wreck. Dan, but

I mean and I think the discussion with uh the parks committee is if they want that they can always come to the board and ask for special permission under a special event. Okay. How many a year would you say people rent on average for a wedding? Maybe one or two a year. U and typically the weddings that are held there are small.

Um you know they like the aesthetics. Uh with the dock being rebuilt, we have had you know multiple inquiries about having weddings up this year. Uh we are kind of hesitant this year on renting the pavilions just due to the ongoing construction that we're looking to to move forward and not having a full time scale, but usually the weddings that are up there are small smaller weddings.

Well, I would hate I and obviously probably most of them aren't city residents. I would hate to limit that to where it is such a picturesque park that someone couldn't have that there if there would be some mechanism to where they could get a special use or something for a wedding, a small wedding or something there. And we did discuss that as as Nikki said that if somebody came to Dan and they were not a resident but wanted to get a special event permit for a wedding that they could do that as long as it wasn't, you know, 100 people.

Go ahead. Anybody else? Thank you. Other parks and recreation items, discussion regarding Great Rivers Greenway project 247A, Under Park Realignment. We have a memo from Nikki and we also have members here and also online.

Good evening. If you could state your name and address for the record, that'd be great.

Hi, my name is Brian Stith. I'm a project manager for Great Rivers Greenway. Um, thank you for having me back. Uh, you might recall, uh, we came and presented back in your December regular council meeting on December 11th talking about a couple of projects that we were working on. One of those, uh, specifically was the Anger Park realignment project. And, um, we had some good discussion, I think, during that meeting. I think there were a lot of concerns that were raised by the council in regards to the connection to Cassen's Drive and whether that was something that the city of Fenton was interested in entertaining. Um, uh, a day later, uh, Nikki gave me a phone call and said, "Perhaps it'd be good if we came again to one of your committee meetings and invitations could potentially be sent out to some of the businesses along Cassens Drive. Um, as we had mentioned in our previous uh presentation, we received some feedback from uh the the businesses and some of our public engagement. Thought that would be a good opportunity if they did have interest or comment on this that they might be given that opportunity. So, uh we're we're back. Uh again, I'm Brian Stith uh in the crowd with with me. We have uh Christy Duire who uh is with DG2 Design. Uh that's our lead designer on our project. We also have Mike Wheeler uh who is with Rights and Gins engineering and I know we have several people online from Great Rivers Greenway, Shaughnessy Daniels who's our director of civic engagement and Mara McDonald who's our civic engagement manager for this particular project and then also Eric CCH who's also from uh rights and gents. So I think that's all the introductions. We can kind of get on uh with the uh with the presentation. And this is a very similar presentation to what I uh presented to you back in December. Kind of giving an overview of the of the project and kind of explaining uh how we got to the design uh that we did. So maybe we could move on to the next slide.

So the the Marramck Greenway in Anger Park, uh we have a lot of goals that we're hoping to achieve with this project and as I mentioned, it's been uh in planning and design since about 2022. So we're we're pretty far down the road of trying to gather that public input and come to some decisions about what this project will be. Um, and I'll get it a little bit into the timeline on on the project moving forward a little bit later in the presentation, but first and foremost was to rebuild the damaged trail. there had been a lot of flood damage that had occurred um 2017 2019 and um as I mentioned uh that's the key in and and and focal point of of the project is to rebuild that damaged trail and to do it in a sustainable manner so that we don't end up with further issues down the road of being able to maintain said trail. Also wanted to connect to the new walking and biking bridge over the Americ 44. uh connections to other parks like Fenton City Park and George Winter Park, extending that Marramac Greenway and those further connections uh connections to Cassin's Drives and the businesses there. Uh improving the greenway experiences for all users uh making more uh dependable trail uh considering overlook opportunities. We one of the biggest comments that we re received during the course of the public engagement was people want to be close to the river, right? and you want to be able to see it and you want to be able to experience it. And so that's part of our project is to try to promote more overlooks where you actually physically can see the Marramac River from Hunger Park. Um and then habitat restoration uh working with our our team and St. Louis County team and volunteers trying to do uh habitat restoration in the park. Um and then also to just complement the other uses within the park like the disc golf. So what you see on the screen uh is kind of the existing conditions and I I would

point out that the the previous trail alignment worked around Anger Lake on the river side. So kind of looped around Anger Lake on the river side and of course that's the area that was most prone to flooding. Uh and so then later we're going to show you kind of a diagram that kind of gives you the update of where what we're looking to do to achieve. You'll also notice just uh to in between Anger Lake and the Marramac River, there's a parking area that kind of set further back in the park. A little bit more remote. Uh a little bit more difficult for staff to be able to Oh, great. pointer for me. The red button. There we go. So, right here was the little parking area. uh and of course you have the disc golf area with within the main uh area of the park. So I think we can move on to the next slide. So how did we get to the conclusion of all the things that we were wanting to do uh within the park and and most of that was related to community engagement and that involved pop-ups um as like you literally see with the pop-up tent and brochures and conversation on Cassin's Drive also within Park. Uh we conducted an extensive public survey. Uh we did engaged with a stakeholder advisory group that included members uh that were utilizing the disc golf course uh as well as a soccer park. Uh and then we also held public openhouse within the park. Next slide. And this is what we we heard. Um and it's no surprise to us uh that people value uh Anger Park and its trails and the connection to the natural environment and especially those connections to the Marramac. Uh people want to be able to get out and see the river, see the lake edge and and really enjoy uh the the outdoors and uh the habitat and and area there. Uh and also people wanted more connectivity to longer continuous stretches of trail.

And we talked about this a little bit uh at our last presentation about both projects that we're working on specifically in this area. People like those long connections. So getting that park trail connectivity connected in with the city of Fenton and on down further south really important to the people. Go ahead. So this is where what we were told and kind of where we've gone with our planning. Uh and so as I mentioned uh we were told we wanted a restored greenway that were resilient to flooding. So, we are working towards doing that, providing building up the trail, moving it to a slightly different area within the park in those connections. Um, and also at the same time, you'll notice on the third line, still utilizing that old trail access around Anger Park. So, the idea is to have a soft surface uh trail that will be put in, and that's actually not part of our project, but it is in an intent of St. county is to have a soft surface trail around that east and north side of Anger Lake uh that will complement the trail that we're putting in that will work along the west side of Lake. Also connections to longer continuous stretches of trails. Again, I mentioned City Fenton City Park, George Winter Park, the bridge over I44, Cassin's Drive, and and others. Go ahead. I'm sorry. So that one, I love my husband and I. We bike Great Riveridge Greenway all the time. So I love you guys. Let me say that. But I'm failing to understand why you need the connection to Cass's Drive. It's an industrial part.

Well, I'm going to get to that. I'm I'm going to get to that. Okay. Yeah. That'll be the point of discussion at the end. Really? Thank you. Yeah. And and and again, we had lots of of of discussion about that.

Okay. Okay. Um then also just wanted to coordinate with those other uses within the park. So we've been working with the do golf club. Um we actually had to realign a few of their holes uh to make the the greenway work and also to make their course work and we've been working closely with them. And then safety through design. Uh you know uh that that north parking area that was a little bit remote. I think that was an issue for St. Louis County in terms of security. And so we wanted to put the trail head parking in a more visible open area of the park itself. So that's what you're going to see in the final designs or the nearly final designs I should say. So here's a kind of a map uh of that. And as again you can see the the trail working into the park and where it comes to a T and that actually will become now a T intersection at at the at the current time. That's just kind of a sweeping curve uh as you go through there. We're actually going to put in a T intersection, a three-way stop to slow traffic down. That allows for better use for trail users uh crossing through there and also the the disc golf course users. Uh we're putting in the uh park new parking area right along here. The trail itself will work its way along the the west side of Anger Lake and back around to the Marramac. And this is where we get over towards Kassen's Drive right here, just for your orientation. And this is the older uh area with the older parking lot uh that that's going to be removed and restored kind of in a prairie area. There's also some work being done on the spillway that will allow for the ingress and ingress of water better and and that flow of water from the Marramac during high flow events. So those are the major improvements that we're looking at uh within uh the project itself. Okay, we can go to the next slide. Now we get to Cassin's Drive and the question why Kassens Drive and I think I would be remiss if I didn't point out that there already was a connection to

Cassens Drive. However, as I as I mentioned in our Dece December 11th meeting, no one really seems to know when, how, who, or why that connection was made, that asphalt trail that leads back over into the Marramac Greenway back in here. Um, we've spoken with St. Louis County. We've spoken with the city of Fenton. Uh, Great Rivers Greenway has no records of it. Um, Nikki, I don't know, I sent you some more information and I I I would assume since I didn't hear from you that you probably didn't learn any more information on that, but there was a connection. And so when we were doing our public engagement uh on uh this particular spot and we can scroll through and we can kind of give you some ideas of how it looks today. Um, obviously this is the view today and we can kind of run through these slides. This is looking from Cassin's Drive into the greenway. This is the uh railroad corridor which is owned by Burlington Northern Santa Fe. It is leased to Burlington Junction Railway and we've actually been in contact with both entities. Uh neither had really any objection to us uh putting a trail across there because there was no agreement. That was the other piece to it. Not only did we check with city of Fenton, check with St. Louis County, also check with the railroad. Do you have any record of any access here? And they did not. Uh, however, they weren't necessarily opposed. Uh, Burlington Junction really they they contain the sub lease for the lease for it. They don't have any future plans at this point for this area. So, they didn't see a lot of issue with it. So, we submitted a request for for a public trail crossing in this area, which is still pending as we're working through the design process and finding out whether this is something that we're going to eventually pursue. So, we can see a few more pictures of the corridor. So, you can see this is obviously looking across at those tracks and then

this is kind of the existing condition and then what we were proposing. Should we be able to make a connection the next slide is a very simple little bench connection improved uh access. So what the reason on on the Cassens drive was really simply the public input we heard from our pop-ups and and and from people who were working uh specifically on the in that culde-sac. Um I will admit that all most of that public engagement preceded me. Um, I took over this project about 18 months ago. Uh, so I didn't have specific knowledge of those interactions, but I do know that we did receive public input that that were interested in that. And so that's where we started with it uh and started our design process uh making some assumptions that we would continue with the existing trail, but also that's why we came to the city of Fenton to talk about it and to understand whether that was something that the city of Fenton was interested in because a that's your rightway and that's your decision to make. It's not our decision to make. Uh it's something that we uh would hope uh you would be open to, but understandably so. I know there's a lot of concerns related to uh the the nature of uh Castan's Drive and uh lack of parking and those sorts of things. So, I just bring it to the committee again today. Again, uh the very few slides that we have at the end are kind of related to our our signage. Uh you can kind of see a picture of one here. And this is kind of how uh the the um the signage would be utilized. And then we have our final slide which kind of has some follow-up information uh regarding our next steps and and currently we're we're kind of at a crossroads with our with our next steps because we're at 90% design. In order to get to 100% design, we really need to make the decision. Are we connecting to Cass and Strive or we not connecting to Cass Drive? And if we

don't, uh you might recall there was an overlook uh that was relatively near the connections to Cassens Drive, that would be the stopping point. Okay. So, if we choose if we do not connect to Cass Drive, that's kind of our point. And we could go back slides. Yeah. Helpful. So right in here you can see the lookout as compared to Cassen Drive. So that's where we stand and we bring it for your committee and and again I know you might have questions and there might be comments because I'm not sure if anyone from the businesses along Cassens Drive was able to attend uh tonight. So, let me start off. First of all, um, you know, I'm kind of disappointed that we can't follow the river a little closer like it used to be, but I honestly do understand that that's not viable because the way the water flows through there at times. Um, so yeah, the at least we've got a path through there and I think it'll be more sustaining. Secondly, as far as Cassin's Drive, we just by our nature have notified all the property owners up and down Cassin's Drive. Um I do have one letter I'd like to read from one of the um business owners there. I'd like to read that into the record. Um dear Mrs. Hungler, we are writing to oppose Anger Park realignment project which proposes the connection from Cassens Drive to Anger Park. We oppose for the following reasons. Our property is the last business on Cassen's Drive, 2550. Our property is just before the entrance to the trail. We already have had walkers and parkgoers parking on our driveway without our permission. We strongly object to this for several reasons. We are a heavy equipment dealership and have huge semi-truckss delivering and transporting equipment and parts into our yard utilizing the driveway closest

to the trail entrance. We can't have cars parked in our driveway that would impede the flow of these trucks. We have cameras on our building and yet have had some theft. We feel drawing more visitors to our area would be detrimental to our business. Lastly, we do not want the liability associated with others parking on our business lot even though permission is not granted. Thank you for your consideration. Sincerely, Bob Wolthers. He is president of Continental Equipment Company and it's last name is spelled W LFS and I'm not aware of anybody else that sent anything to us or had we've had any contact with. Would you speak loud into your

I apologize. We did send to we sent postcards to every property owner um and every tenant along the along Cassens Drive. So let me let me just begin by asking what do you see as a positive for that connection to Cassens and the reason that I asked this is I used to use that before you know the the path was taken out by the river. Um, and I could never follow find a reason to want to drive up Cassin's Drive, especially during busy hours cuz it it gets it gets pretty crazy with tractor trailers and stuff. So, you know, there's really nowhere to park down there. And I I just I think you just had mentioned that just because it's there, that's where you ended it. Well, I would say that that's where the existing trail was, right? And when we went out and did the popups related to that was just a natural spot to do it and we did receive some public comment uh that they were interested in that connection.

Do you happen to know where those people are from? Are they local or they Christie has been involved in this project a lot longer than I have? So she might be able to help me with that.

Hi, I'm Christy Duire. the owner of DG2 design landscape architecture and um some of that public feedback or at least the the ones addressed around Kassens were workers that were that that work in there and their feedback was that they really enjoy walking during lunch to connect into um you know a safe connection into Anger Park. So um I don't have the specifics but that's that's what it was. So, it wasn't somebody driving. It was somebody walking from their work facility.

Go ahead. I've just got one comment. I'm all for the project. Um, knowing we were going to discuss this tonight, I drove down Cassin this afternoon my way home from work and happened to be a truck pulling in there and it was right in front of where we're looking to trying to back in and I could see it being a major issue. um there's no place to park. So, as as much as I would love to have it connect there because I would know it was there and I'd like to utilize it, I could see it being an issue for the businesses there just because which is going to create more issues for our police department on calls with cars and um I just I don't think I'm for connecting to Cassin's Drive just to eliminate any problems.

Alderman Jokers. Yeah, I Yeah, because I I loved hiking and running that area as well. And yeah, I kind of would get to cast and it's like, yeah, no problem turning around. Yeah, it it just wasn't some place that I'd want to bike through or run through or walk through. So really, it would only be used to have access to the trail. So unless you could come up with a little like sixc car parking lot or you know like to come up with a parking lot on the other side of the trail access you know have Cassens extend in to where you can drive over the the railroad and then park on the other side.

Yeah. And actually that has already been looked at and there just isn't space on the other side to to adequately have turnaround. And then it also would require a different type of permit from the railroad in order to to have vehicular access across there than just the trail access. Yeah.

Okay. So, I have a couple comments. Uh first of all, as far as to when that connection was made, uh looking at the St. Louis County historic aerials, in 2000, it was just a dirt path with tire marks and in 2002 it was paved. So just point of reference kind of narrow it down when the uh connection I don't know if that'll get any answers but that's you know that's when it was changed so somewhere in that two-year period. Um second of all I drove down Cassens on Sunday parked down there and walked the trail and uh I had never really been on it completely at at one point but um of course there was no businesses open no traffic or anything like that and just kind of wanted to walk it and get a better understanding of what's going on there. Um uh first thing about 70% of the trail is still there until you get around to the one corner where the old parking lot used to be. That's what is the part that's really washed off into the river. Um it would be a shame to lose that that trail and that vantage point of the river. I mean it's literally probably the best place to see the the Big Bend in the river which actually you know Big Bend is named after. I mean that's the whole draw of that park is to have access and view of the river. So, with your current plan now is you're you're taking the parking lot away that's near the river, moving it more in there, building this new trail that's going to go behind an industrial court, which is not very scenic. It's going to be right behind those businesses, and to come out and really only be back by the river when you're back at the end of Cassins. I I know you said something about maybe making it more of a nature trail around the the riverbank area.

That's St. Louis County's plans is to do a because I would hate to see that go. I mean, it really is a that's the whole draw to the park. So, you're basically going to have a park that has no access to the river anymore, which is

kind of ludicrous considering it's on the river. I mean, and you know, until you get these overlooks or anything, cuz if you're going to go on that um I guess that would be what the south side of the of the lake there. I mean, you're just going on that little thin strip between of land between the lake and those industrial court. And it's, you know, I don't think the, you know, maybe the lake's nice to look at, but I'm sure the back of those businesses isn't anything to write home about. Um, so I, you know, I hopefully they would keep that, uh, or in the future make a nature trail or something to go around with it because, and you know, as far as the, uh, parking lot being too far back there and safety concerns. I mean, that's any park though. I mean, you know, any park's got a secluded parking lot or something way in the back. I mean, there's there's parks. I don't know who I guess if they're I don't if they're Missouri Department of Conservation or St. Louis County, but they're they're out there in that Crescent Valley area where you drive down a gravel road for two miles back into the middle of nowhere and they got a gravel parking lot and you know, God knows what people could do back there, but it's still a park and people have access to it. So, I think that's kind of a u um not really a great reason to eliminate a parking lot just because someone might do something bad back there. That's anywhere that could happen. But um so that's my comments as far as that goes. As far as connecting to Cassens, yeah, I I think it's just going to cause problems. I mean, it'd be great if you could have it just say for pedestrian access only, no parking, you know, uh uh PE or you know, pedestrians and bikes only or anything and, you know, have signs, you know, all people will be towed or I mean, but you know, to get our police to enforce that, it's going to be pretty tough. they can't be there all the time and I would hate to cause a burden on any of our businesses and by having someone block their access or something. So, as much as the connection is there and it's neat and everything, I just I just don't see it really any feasible way. I mean, you know, like Susan brought up about having a little parking lot. I mean, it seemed to me I mean, you guys, I'm sure had

engineers looked at it, but it looked like you could have a little like 6, eight car parking lot if you crossed over the railroad tracks and built a little lot, but you know, I I know that's much more infrastructure and like you said, different permits and everything, but I mean, obviously wouldn't have to be a huge parking lot. I don't think you'd get a lot of lot of traffic there, but I think that's the only way it could ever be feasible. So, that's my comments. So, I'm I'm not for connecting to Cassins. Um, we do have a business that has taken the time to speak up. Um, I do know you guys had a pop-up booth there and there's some people that expressed some interest, right? Um, but, you know, people are going to park that street. Cassins is a is a no parking street. Um, and there's not a place that's a dead-end street. Cassin's about a mile long. Uh, that's back there. And again to have our police department try to enforce no parking when somebody's back there and you're going to start to impede. Um we've got um no parking in other parts of the city with signage um and people park there all the time. Um and I just um I think at this point in time to connect to Cassins is not feasible. I think if you're looking to complete your design phase is to currently stop it right now at the overlook uh that you highlighted uh so that you can complete your uh planning phase and get to 100%. And then maybe in the near future maybe something will change with one of those businesses down there. Maybe some business will grant more space or do something right and something might change. But at the current time there's just not space to have a connection and and and I think I would I'd hate to slow up the project uh because we have a debate whether you connect or not connect to Cassins

anybody else and I guess the ultimate goal I mean the the bridge isn't off the table right you're still ultimately you want to have the bridge right correct so I mean if you stopped at the scenic overlook then you would just connect from basically that point to the bridge bridge over cuz I'm all for that idea. I think it's a great idea to connect as long as it's um you know structurally sound enough to withstand the floods and and stuff like that. But you know kind of like I think like think like think like most have said I just don't think the uh with the businesses and the the no parking it just isn't really feasible at this time unless something were to change either to figure out a way to put a small parking lot or see if a business wants to sell you know so good

for the future. So looking out, my crystal ball is full of Mississippi River water, but is there a connection when you look down the road further years to come? Are you going to I guess is there a uh a desire to continue that path um west down the river to lower Boulder to connect another park? Very possibly. So yeah, I I don't know if there's e is there enough easement? Is there enough rightway to We'd have to really look at that. That's that's a that's another one to know. I I don't think there probably is, but there are possibly other ways on the south side. On the south side.

Yeah. What I what I was suggesting is there's other ways to get there versus just being along the Marramac. there's other connection points you could potentially make. Yeah, we had a comment down here, but that's that's something that has been brought up as an as as something that we'd want to look at in the future.

I did. Um, yeah, I I agree. I would hate to put the burden on our business owners who have already expressed. I mean, I understand that the people that work there would like to use it, but I just feel like it would be cause a problem with parking. Um, Dan, you still would have to I just for the record, you'd still have to sign off on this as the even though this connection would not be in the city of Fenton, but as the flood plane manager of the city of Fenton, you'd still have to be involved. Correct.

Uh, yes, they have submitted all proper paperwork for the Nor certificate uh for this project. Um I think this conversation regards mainly to the connection to Cassens as from my review of the no certificate they do meet that but the no rest certificate has nothing to do with the connection to uh Cassens.

Great. Thank you. Now, one last comment someone brought up about connecting to Lower Booder or something, but I believe on the Kirkwood Valley Park side, the trail, if you were to make that bridge connection, would go all the way down to like Valley. It's already there's trails already that go all the way to Valley Park to like the levey and all that down there and downtown Valley Park. So,

yep. there. I mean, I don't nothing against lower booter, but um you know, you can continue on down the river on the Valley Park, Kirkwood side and get to that same general area just on the other side of the river. Is there anyone on Zoom here? Can we take that down? See if anybody has any comments. I I see several people. I don't know who they are. Um but now

I'll speak up. My my name is Eric Cart. I'm with Rits and Jensen and uh Brian introduced me earlier. So I'm on the engineering team wi with the project. So I think uh Brian's done a fine job of expressing the the positions that I would make. So I have no further comment. Okay. I don't hear anybody else speaking up, so we can assume that nobody else wants to make any comments. Yes, Nikki. Um,

one other item is that there's been a lot of conversation regarding cars and where they would park and with that, but also to note that Cassins does not have sidewalks. Um, the connectivity once you're on Cassens and again, it is high semi-tractor trailer traffic. Um, so it's not just the the idea of of the parking, understanding that that is an issue and we have had a business owner express that and understanding that there may be um people in the area that would like to use it, but there's no safe access to it along Cassen with the fact that there are no sidewalks in that area.

Is it really some place that we'd want people biking and walking in the street? So, do you have what you need from us? Do you need a motion from us? Take back to your group that it's nothing that we would be in favor of if I think I think that'd be helpful for us for for closure. Okay. Um why don't we do that and then I have one more question. Go ahead. Okay. I' Excuse me. I'd like to make a motion that we not go forward with the connection to Kassen's Drive. It is final. It is a final motion. Alderman Lang. Second.

Okay. We have a motion by Heels. We have a a second by Alderman Lang. Do we have any other discussion? Okay. All in favor? I opposed. That motion carries. So, you mentioned you're going to still cross the river into Kirkwood Valley Park. I said the project is still in progress and as we mentioned at our previous council meeting, this is a planning project. Nothing is set in stone. We're still in Brian, you might want to let them know that you will be having public meetings coming up that you'll be inviting the public. and and if you are still looking for a room, I'm sure the city we would even be able to provide this boardroom for that meeting

um of the conjunct well it's closer for us. I I guess I guess in my mind what I'm looking for is what what's the endg game because I have heard we want to end up eventually in Pacific. I I've heard that from Marramac Greenways folks in the Marramac Greenway. Yes. Yes. In my mind, I'm thinking I have boated that whole stretch of river all the way to Eureka. I don't know how you stay on that side once you get over into Kirkwood and go down because you got a railroad and then cliffs and everything. Are we going to come back across or

Well, actually down the road. There's a lot of different ways to get there and and certainly this is the Marramac Greenway and and um the preferred alignment is always to be closer to the river to have views of the river but there are times where you might diverge from that in order to make the connection and and currently Eureka by the way has a plan to connect to Pacific. So if you follow that path after you make the connection into Eureka, you you find different ways to make and those connections then just spider out and and become larger connections and more connectivity across the entire region. So there are a lot of different ways to get there. Not all of them will just follow right on the river. Obviously I love being on the river. I love walking the Katy Trail. I love that that view. But sometimes there are challenges and we run into those between Valley Park and Castlewood. still have to figure out that connection. Um, we have to figure out the connection from Castle Wood, Route 66.

There's a lot of challenges out there. It's safe to say it's safe to say that you you we're not just going here. We've already kind of looked at some areas down the road. You bet. Okay. Bet. Thank you for your time today. Thanks for your time. Thank you for your time. I appreciate it. Thank you.

Next, I have consideration a request from St. Paul Catholic Church, St. Vincent to Paul, Friends of the Poor for Special Event Walk Run in Fenton City Park. We have a memo from Dan Howard. Looks like they have all of their insurance and this is something that uh they've done in the past. Correct Dan? That's correct. This is similar to uh what they did last year and uh no issues. Everything went quick. Uh they get their, you know, they clean up, everything's good and no concerns. Alman jokers I was just uh curious friends for the of the poor what what is that project or what is St. Vincent de Paul what is that

St. Vincent Dval. I know that's the church, but what? No, that's their store where they sell uh goods like a like a Goodwill. Thank you. Okay. Yep. And they're located down in uh Oldtown. They have a store down in Oldtown. So, this is a walk to help fund the store. That's the way I understand it. Right, Dan? I'm not sure they fund the store. and they fund the the charity charitable organization that they are a part of. How I'm reading it is if you look at how they've filled out the application is those two parties have come together to create a unit called friends of the poor.

Correct. Charity to support I I believe to help people in in less fortunate. Okay. It's the two entities have come together and created this um other entity called friends of the poor. Okay. So they actually do stuff. Yes. Yes. St. Vincent to Paul is a very old charity that's been around for a long time. Uh that requires a motion. I'd make that motion at this time. Alman Lang, I'll second. Okay. We have a motion by Hills. We have a second by Lang. Do we have further discussion? All in favor? Opposed? Motion carries. And

lastly, I have discussion regarding estimates and bids to remodel, improve existing park restrooms structures, and construct a new restroom in Fenton City Park. And we've got these fancy binders. Nikki, would you like

I think Yeah, I think we can get through this fairly quick this evening. Um, as you know, we just received two of the bids this week, so I know the board hasn't had time to necessarily review all of that. Um, all of the new information is highlighted that's been placed in here. Again, starting with the fact that we did receive the floor coating bids just earlier today. Those have been placed in here and also exterior painting um bids were opened or or I'm sorry the the deadline for that was earlier this week. Um we can make a recommendation on the exterior painting for Vorhees painting at 69,642 and that would include all of the buildings that we discussed the um the staining of the shelters all of the items that we identified. um kind of going through the packet. Um if you start with Budwe, we've updated all of the tables we can so far. Please note that the bids we have not yet received are for the interior painting. Um that would and the installation of the accessories such as the new toilet as has been requested, the new um sorry toilet paper holders, trash cans, sanitary napkin holders, grab bars, mirrors, all of those. But we are providing an estimate based on our pricing that we would receive um through Global Industries. Um in the back of the packet, we've given examples of what would be purchased all in stainless steel. um I believe is what the board was was somewhat requesting. Um you'll now find both exterior and interior photos of all of the restrooms. Um we can kind of go through these briefly if you would like us to move forward with the with the interior painting. We are getting to a point though that we're getting to the part of the season that if we're not moving forward with some of these items, we are going to have to wait till this fall. Um it'll the end of March will be here

faster than we know it which is when we start to reopen our restrooms. Nikki, real quickly for our guest uh and people that may not know. So what we're doing is give us an overview of what we're doing. We're looking at remodeling all of our remodeling all of our restrooms, all of our pavilions, all of our structures throughout the park. That is paint, flooring, new fixtures, and so forth. Correct. Um and and this is this document is made available through the city. All of our information is available for anybody that would like to to pick a copy of this, back it up.

Um starting with Budweis Park. Um staff is wanting to recommend this evening if we could go ahead and move forward with the exterior building items, things that we could get started on this spring. um the painting and fascia, new gutters, the items that were discussed at the last meeting and understanding that we've now received this bid, I think the board would want a little more time to look at the epoxy flooring bids, some of the other things that have just recently been received. Um so in that case if we would move forward with those items with uh Budweis park what we would suggest is we've um move forward with the fascia that was discussed along that building because the carpenter be damage that's been received with the aluminum uh fascia wrapping um just that it's basically the top two areas and then um the painting and staining exterior painting staining of both the pavilions. so that we can move forward with that. And then please remember next month we will be bringing forward it's out to bid. Unfortunately, we couldn't do the mandatory pre-bid meetings for the concrete because of the snow. The contractors needed to get on site. So you will have those in March all of the exterior concrete work that will be occurring.

Alman Wizrock, I have a question. So are you wanting to so to help us move this along? Mhm. Um, so Bud Wild, do we want to make a motion uh like one park at a time? Not necessarily, because what I'm looking for is basically all of the exterior painting um painting and staining and um gutters, fascia, those that we've that we've already agreed upon. No, no. I just think if they're going to come out and start painting and doing that, just let them come out and start painting and staining while they're there. I mean, it's exterior work. What do Do you have an issue with one park over another?

No, I just wanted to keep moving along where in case one in case there's one item out of all of this, there's a hang up, then it's going to slow everything down. That was my I don't think it Go ahead, Nikki. You were going to um exterior. The only thing that may um is that we need to look at is with the new light fixtures um on the outsides of the pavilions. If you want to move forward with those with Bates Electric when especially with Westside and with Fenton Sports Complex, if you're wanting to do those, now would be the time to do it. Bates, I'm sorry, I didn't see the baits. That's in each table. It'll be under electric.

What? Each table will provide the pricing on those. Um, for example, Westside Park is 4,000 for the new um, exterior LED lights that were requested and labor. And labor. And who was the contending bidder? The painting? No, for Bates. For Bates is our current contractor that we have on our on call as needed. We did request from Meyer. We've reached out to them multiple times and we were not able to receive a bid. Okay. All right.

So, at this time, I'd like to make a motion that we start with the painting exterior and not wi with all of them that we can do. I mean, I know that's kind of the exterior work. The exterior work for the all the pavilions. That's a motion. It is a motion. Alman Whisbrock. I would second. We have a motion by Hill, second by Whisbrock. Further discussion. Yes. So, does does that also include the lighting? Yes. Okay. It's on the outside. Yes. Yeah. I I just want to make sure that we're not uh painting around the old the old electric and can't get it down. And you got you if you've looked at some of the lighting.

Yeah. If so, if we if we move forward this way, the two contracts that would be coming at the board meeting will be for the painting and staining contract and that with um Jeff with Jeffco for the um however, we'll just work directly with our contractor Bates for the for the lighting. Yes. All of that. And will that lighting also include cuz are we also doing interior lighting like Not at this time. That'll be all part of the interior. I I want to give you some time some guys some time to look through the fixtures that are being proposed. Look at the bids for the interior plumbing. Are you wanting to remove all of these toilets and replace all of the toilets? Um I I think you need a little time to kind of go through the interior items.

How old are these toilets? Some of them are were only installed in 15 after the flood. So there when it comes to the the interior stuff like that, yeah, there's the staff has already they've got it all down. They they're going to make recommendations. All right. Um, uh, Nikki, you want to give them an overview of what this interior lighting is going to consist of?

The interior lighting is going to go to motion sensor in all of the bathrooms. Um, upgrades to LEDs if they have not been so already. Um, the item with that though is while we're working on the floors, we don't want to piece meal this. We need to do it in succession. The number one thing we would need to do with the floor, we need to move with the flooring first. When we do that, we're going to have to pull any of the We have some bathrooms that are wall-mounted and others that are floor mounted. I say go ahead and replace the toilets that are floor mounted because we're going to have to pull them up anyways, whether they're newer or not, if you want to go to a different style. Um, we definitely want to minimally with all of the bathrooms go through. If you want to replace all of the sinks, great. If you don't, but we need to go to metered water fountains in all of our bathrooms. That means that somebody can't walk in, turn the water in, walk out, and it runs forever and ever. Um, many of ours were not put back as metered, I think, after the 15 flood. Why that is, I don't know, but it's just best practice to have those in there. I do agree with going to the stainless steel with the toilet paper holders, all of those things. um due to although they're more they're more expensive to replace after vandalism, they're also less likely to fall apart and come apart with I think have been in many of our bathrooms, when you replace them with the plastic ones that might be $65 versus $105, they're falling apart um because of the the amount of use that they take. So that

and they're plastic. Yeah. Yeah. So, we can go through the interior items with a little better idea. But I think if you're wanting to see some improvements starting as soon as possible. The easiest way to move forward is let's go ahead and start with the exteriors. Let's get the concrete work going. Let's get the painting and staining going. Um, let's get the new gutters going and give it a refresh on the outside while we're deciding how to move forward with the inside because at this time we may be getting closer to not being able to do it to the fall or we need to work out a schedule that we let the patrons know that these restrooms will be closed for 2 or 3 days. Flooring alone is going to take about a is going to take about a week for each restroom with the cure time and all of that. So, we're just getting short on time.

Yeah. And I just doing the exterior first. Hopefully it wouldn't conflict with anything they need to do in the interior if they got to drill through walls or anything or mess that. Hopefully not. And I assume with the interior when we get to that, we'd kind of want to gut the bathrooms, paint, and then reinstall fixtures and stuff.

We do. Actually, the bid, if the if the board agrees to this, how I plan to put the final bid out is for painting is basically for small repair painting because when your plumbers come in, if they make a hole in your wall, they're not patching that up. It'll So, we're looking more for a general contractor to come in, take care of any patching, kneading, repairs, some minor things like windows, then they would do the painting and the installation of all the fixtures except for those that are going to be done by our plumbers in advance. So, yeah, I just, you know, if we're going to start the bathrooms, um, you may as well do the lights, you may as well do it all because if you try to keep something that's old, you're it's going to look like a sore thumb in there. And to replace all the bathrooms or to replace all the toilets, uh, you know, you might as well make them all the same. It's easier to work on when one's got a problem or an issue because right now, if you go in a lot of those bathrooms, there's a lot of different styles inside. Yeah, there's there's some of them they're only about 12 inches off the ground or off the floor.

Yeah. And ADA is one of our key components here.

And if I may, when you look through these bids, please carefully look at the price difference. If you want to go to the stainless steel sinks and you want to go to the stainless steel toilets, which was requested, um I will tell you they're not as sight sightly. They tend to look very stained very in looking at them and they are much more costly due to vandalism if you have to replace. I understand the longevity, but I I think that's something you might want to take and you're going to see a big cost difference. Um, how the bids were placed in here is for porcelain toilets and sinks. Yep. Um, I would encourage you to even go down to Fenton Sports Complex, which don't get me wrong, in that complex, I think we should have put stainless steel in because of the of the the mud and everything that walks through there. Um, one other item we did add is I would encourage you to look at the baby changing stations. there's a huge cost difference if you want to go to the stainless versus the plastic, but I mean that is up to the board, but I wanted to give you both prices both to look at. They're they're the exact same. It's just the outside is is different. Um, but one thing I think we should look at um and this I didn't even realize this existed till we were down at Fenton Sports Sports Complex is in some of the restrooms like in City Park Fenton Sports Complex, they make stainless steel backing that you can put below your dryers. So when people have mud and stuff on their hands when it goes that's you'll see on our walls where that gets so dirty it's makes a surface that can be then cleaned. I've I've learned a lot about fixtures.

And I I can tell you and I've been looking at I have been when we go places I I look at the restrooms now to get ideas. So the staff has done a lot of work researching you know porcelain as opposed to um the stainless steel and all. And you know, I mean, for me, not that I'm a baby diaper changer, but you know, one's colder than the other, I suppose, but but just the exterior, the interior will be the same. Ah, okay. You keep us straight. But they've done a really good job.

They have, but please take these home and take a look at it. It will be getting amended as we get more information, but I think it'll give you an idea of maybe start making in your own mind the decisions. Um, one item we would like to discuss this evening though, I know I don't want to drag this out, is if we could pull up Google Earth. Oh, shouldn't we? We We had a motion. What? Did you get our vote and then we have a first and a second? Yeah. Robin first. We have a motion. We have a motion. Okay. So, are we done with discussion? Okay. All in favor? I opposed. Motion carries.

That concludes parks unless Nikki has something else. Okay. Oh, well, with the with the we do need some assistance from the board uh for one item,

the new restroom, we need a location. Correct. The only way we can get real accurate bids from our contractors regarding plumbing or regarding sewer and water is based on a location. We could talk be talking a very Dan if you want to chime in. Is there one area that you feel actually is going to increase the cost due to the sewer connection? I think either way we're got the bore into the new sewers or the new sewer connection into the sewers. Um, this is a tough one. I mean, we

So, I I know we've received some feedback. I think there's some that would prefer to see it over here. I know you're taking into consideration the St. Paul soccer tournament and others, but then there's others that have brought up the pickle ball court. So, I think we're just looking for some direction or consensus from the board of a a location that you're looking for this to be placed so we can get more accurate because a few linear feet can make a difference in a in a plumbing bid. Over the years, what I have heard is, and I only use this because they they've used it the most is the St. Paul soccer tournament, but there's others that would use this where the old kickball used to be, the kickboard used to be over here.

Going to get you a pointer. Okay. Do we have a do we have the ability to see where the sewer lines are? I mean, that would help us. No, we know where there are, but it doesn't show up on here. You're asking us to make a decision. Well, and and I think in talking to Dan, I think he's saying we're going to have to bore no matter what, but to get Well, I can I can kind of walk him through it on this image you have. What' you say, Dan? I can walk him through really quick on and I think Joe can show him on the with the laser pointer. Well, I don't have a laser pointer here. Well, he's going to run the laser pointer while you talk. Where you want the arrow? You're on.

How we going to do this? Okay. So, if if you go to on this image just to the left of the I'm going to call it the Hzert Pavilion parking lot where the cursor currently sits. Yes. Here. Okay. If you go straight east, the sewer main basically hits right where that baseball diamonds for Fenton City Park where that little icon is. That is almost perfectly in line with the sewer main right there.

Correct. where our current sewer connection is from our main pavilion. And I don't know how if this can be moved. It would be going basically straight north, which would go underneath. Okay. You You're have to go way to the left. Back back to where you started. Back to where you started. I'm trying to hold my mousees. Where's that red pointer there, Dan?

So, basically from there, you go straight north, you go underneath pickleball courts, you go underneath parking lots, you go underneath a lot of other stuff to get to the connection that is outside of softball field's outfield fence. It is in that field that's outside of there. So there's two points of connection that we can connect into if you want to have the rest facility just to the left of the Hitser parking lot. So you have restrooms over here in the back of the park. You have

here at the main pavilion. You don't have anything over in this area whatsoever. I think what he So, so Dan, what you're saying is the sewer connection would either have to come this way to connect in or from this area to connect in. Correct.

Where would it be most like I know the pickle ball courts people don't want to walk all the way over to the main pavilion, right? It's not that far, but they still don't want to play pickle ball for hours, but they don't want to walk across the field. So, in my opinion, where the cursor is right now, that may be the most viable place to look at, even though it's still across the roadway from the pickle ball courts. Uh, we are getting more and more interest in walk runs, um, fundraising tournaments for different reasons. and primarily these the the organizations are using uh his or pavilion. There is no facilities there. I mean we've had uh cornhole tournaments there to raise cancer awareness. We've had walk runs. We've had uh St. Paul tournament, you know, that's the biggest one, but we're getting more and more of the walk runs and charity tournaments that want his pavilion. So, if we're going to be putting in a new restroom facility, in my opinion, where the cursor sits right now and somewhere in that area is probably going to be the best location.

And it has a sewer line. It we would have to install a sewer line either north or east. We're going to have we're going to have to work with our our contractor to find out what they feel is going to be the best solution. Correct. We do have access. It's just going to be it's just going to be a a run to get to it.

So, yeah, I I agree. I think where the cursor is right now, maybe slightly to the west, maybe a little bit closer to where the kickboard used to be, but maybe Yeah, that area maybe that way it benefits both. I think if you put it up by the pickle ball court, the the people it's it's just going to be for the pickle ball basically. And if you put it there, you're benefiting the Hitzert pavilion and the pickle ball. You could put a little connector sidewalk from the Pitser parking lot and a connector sidewalk from the pickle ball uh uh parking lot and maybe a crosswalk across there. Maybe they'll crosswalk sign or painted on or something. I mean, but you know, traffic for the most part isn't uh that dangerous in there hopefully. But uh I yeah, I think you're in that area you're benefiting both parking lots and not just the one. And you know that there is the main pavilion that's open all year round or pickle ball if there are nice days in the winter and people go down there where this one I assume would be closed winterized and stuff. So I I think you know leave the the one the main pavilion one that get stays open all year round for pickle ball and stuff like that and also people from pickle ball could use this one but it does benefit the hitsert pavilion doing it there.

Yeah, same comment. I think it spreads them out a little bit more evenly. Um, I I think that's a best spot for it. Okay. Do you need a motion or just We're No, we'll continue to get get numbers for you guys. Perfect. Okay. Got what you need? That concludes parks. All right. Alderman Jokers, do you have anything under health and safety? You got nothing. We're going to move to miscellaneous consideration of cost increases for municipal court management software. Nikki, you going to take that? Who's Who's that?

We, as you know, uh, courts work on two different system, Regis and Show Me Courts. We don't have a choice. Um, you may remember about a year and a half ago, we were able to reduce our cost greatly with Regis um, by downgrading our licenses because we've moved everything over to Show Me Courts. But while we still have records in Regis, we have to keep it. They've increased their prices. We don't have a lot of say. So, but and we are looking for a final motion on this tonight as we have received the bill. How long are we stuck with Regis? I guess until we can get all of our Yeah. Until all of the old records are archived out, I can get with Michelle. But I mean, they are working to get But it just has to do of when those court cases are are completed.

I do. Alman, I'd like to make a motion to approve. Oh, second. Final motion. Okay. Alman Wizrock. I'd second. We have a motion by Lang, second by Whisbrock. Further discussion? All in favor? Opposed? Motion carries. Uh, next, uh, Jane, you want to take the discussion regarding reorganization of the parks and recreation department? And before you do, has anything changed since we had discussions? No. All we're asking for is a final motion so we can start getting that advertised tomorrow. Alderman Hills, I'd like to make a final motion to uh, adopt the reorganization of the parks and recreation department um, reorganizational chart. Alderman Jokers. I'll second.

Okay, we have a motion by Hill, second by Jokers. Further discussion? All in favor? I I motion carries. Do we have executive session? We do. What number would you like, ma'am? You're in just one. One. One, please. I'd like to make a motion to close the meeting pursuant to section 610.0211, legal actions, cause of action, or litigation. Okay, we need a second. Alman Mazering. Second. Okay, we have a motion by Hel, second by Mazering. We have further discussion. May I have a roll call, please? Alderwoman Hules. Hi. Alderman Maserang. Hi. Alderwoman Jokers. Hi.

Alderman Harrell. Hi. Alman Whisper. Hi. Alderman Lang. Hi. Motion carries. Okay. We will be back.