City Council - Regular Meeting

The city council work session special meeting of Tuesday July 14 of the order and after the agenda.

I know for the agenda as president and request that all presentations and discussions be conducted respectfully and in a manner mindful of their own times. Yes, yes.

Okay, before we start public comment, I have, since I got all of your attention, I have a couple of announcements to make. So first off, City Hall is moving into their new facility. And so they will be closed for business from July 27th through the 24th. So that's Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday next week. To move back home to 163 East. They will open... for business again, not really. On Monday, July 27th at 8 a.m. And the police station will remain open if you want to go visit them. But they will have some limited service when the file servers are being moved. And if there's any questions, email City Call at their email address. And then on Thursday, August 6th, We'd like you to join us in celebrating our new city hall. We will be having our first city council meeting that day. It's a Thursday. We're having it on Thursday because Tuesday is national night out. And we'd like everyone to go to that. And so at 4 o'clock, 5.30, we're going to do a grand opening. And then we'll have the meeting that starts at 6 p.m. So Tonight is the last night that we get to sit and stare at people's chairs. Probably going to take them with us today. Okay, so those are the comments.

For public comment, we have a loaded agenda tonight. So we are going to limit everyone to three minutes.

There will be a visible timer on the screen. And if you get it done in two minutes, there'll be some extra credit. Thank you. Okay, so if you would like to make a comment, please raise your hand. Tim? And remember, mailing addresses and be kind and respectful, please.

Tim Remy, APO Box 429, Cannon Beach. And first, I'd like to say thank you to Bruce, who shepherded this through my two projects. It's pretty amazing really to get to the end and be essentially on time and on budget. So thank you for that.

Thank you.

So I'm Jim Rainey. I'm here to talk a little bit about the Canterbury Sustainable Dooms Initiative. I wanted to give you a brief update. Tommy and I have submitted our first batch of signatures to Jen and further to Classen County. And we're probably just short of the required number, but once we get the number back from Jen, that's maybe tomorrow, I hope, Then we're ready to go on the second batch. So we're encouraged by the progress that we're making and we're grateful for the community support that we've received. What's encouraged us most is that people who actually need the initiative can ask thoughtful questions, whether they ultimately agree or disagree with us. They discover something about the DUNE process that's different from what they thought it was. They've been They have been to the beach, and they relate to what we're saying. They see it with their own eyes. Unfortunately, some of the public discussion has focused on speculation about motives rather than the actual language in the initiative. People have claimed that it replaces the city's 2020 port management plan. It doesn't. People have claimed that it mandates replacing European beach grass with native vegetation. It doesn't. People have claimed that it operates as trading for private ocean views. It still does not do that. The issues are addressed in our setting the record straight thing that I submitted to the packet. And while we fully respect every council members to hold and express an opinion about the initiative, likewise, every citizen has every right to support it or oppose it. What concerns me is when elected officials encourage voters to read between the lines of the citizen initiative or speculate about the intentions that simply are not found in the text. The initiative process is amazing. It's unique. It's citizen action at its purest form. And the beautiful thing about an initiative is the only thing that matters is what's on the page. not motives, not anything else. So it's a legal document. It means what it says. Nothing more than that. People have every right to oppose this, whatever right is supported, but they do not have a right to rewrite it. And that's a little bit of what we're seeing here. Voters and candidates, I think, deserve that level of honesty, and I believe that

So, thank you so much. Now, who would like to present next?

I'll give you time. All right, Michelle. I don't see nothing to do with anything. Michelle, I'm not going to be a lot, so I'm not going to do that.

Okay. With the new Lease to Locals program approved, I'm concerned about the cap on the SDR still not being in place. What is the timeline for this? Why can't this happen in the SAP? We as a community should be concerned about protecting the current full-time rentals and the residents who live in them. Thank you very much. Thanks, Nicole. Thank you.

Anybody else? Yes. And to the result in both of the blocks, that's your report back in service. I think it's time that Cannon Beach suppresses the cost of parking tickets here in Cannon Beach. Because when those bicycle people go to ticket somebody, people will say, well, how much is a ticket?

$25.

That's nothing.

People should be paying that for parking.

It's not but not on public streets, not in our five-minute zones, and especially not in a building park on this side of the street, which I'm sure everybody's going to be sure of. I don't know. Thank you for your address. Thank you. Anybody else in the audience like to make further comments? Hi, Robin. Okay.

I want to send in people on 736. Yes. in Beach and it just came to my attention yesterday that the city's planning or vigorously resigning to build a building across the street from my house in a park. This was a big surprise and I was quite frankly not excited about it for many reasons. What's in that northwest corner is half of an arcane for the entire park and a large hedge and six big trees. And the elk go through there every day. The rats and people and horses walking through there two days ago. Children are climbing the trees. The thought of having a line of cars idling, waiting to get through the food pantry every Wednesday while we all sit on our balconies and porches and just watch the animals because that's what we do as much of our you know construction and noise and smells and I rent I talked to my landlady 10 minutes ago and I said did you know they're planning on building a building across the street from us and she said higher than I can even reach with my voice she goes in the apartment And I was like, yes, divine. And she said, well, that's just ridiculous. So anyway, I said, I was going to come here, get more information, speak my piece. I'm hoping I'm just, you know, hysterical, but it's kind of looking, I'm reading the memo now. It just seems like if Lester and the park were literally the only place in this entire amazing area, that you can do it, then, hey, you know, you've got to sacrifice your part. But, I mean, people live in their parts because they know it's not going to develop your farm. So, if this was literally the last ditch effort, then, you know, sure, of course. But it seems like there's a lot of other things that can be done that won't choke off a little neighborhood and take parking away from beach parking. The car was full today. It was a random Tuesday. You know, a lot of people on the grass. All the cars were in the park. So anyway, I look forward to learning more about this. And I just wanted to speak my piece and stand for my landlord and my neighbors. Thank you.

Is there anyone else in the audience? I'd like to make another comment. Is everyone on Zoom? Go ahead.

Hello, Diana Turner, mailbox 211, Cannon Beach, 9710. Tonight I'd like to make a brief statement for myself and then a joint statement. So Mr. Ramey has, I'd like to speak to his Zoom grading and proposed initiative. I think it's important to recognize that between the written initiative that everyone gets to read, if that passes, there is a large process where those words in that initiative get hammered out to be an actionable law. So we will spend a lot of time talking about what things like hazard, beach access, Native plants, what all that means so that we can actually have some action. And so though he keeps saying, let's look at the words and initiative, it's important to remember that the initiative, I believe, is purposely vague so that it does not raise concerns with voters. So the comments that are being made are being made by people who have been through this process for years, both in Cannon Beach and across the Oregon shoreline. And now I'd like to read a joint statement from the Friends of the Dunes, Oregon Coast Alliance, and Surfrider Foundation, those very people that work in land use policy on the shoreline. Don't be fooled. The proposed Cannon Beach foredoon initiative is an unfunded mandate. The city's taxpayers would pay to have to lower the dunes and reshape them for the benefit of a small number of oceanfront property owners seeking better views. This is not about beach access and safety. This is 180 degree reversal of the community's current Dune management plan, which prioritizes healthy dunes that protect the community from erosion and winter storms. The proposed initiative would replace that approach with an open-ended mandate to keep lowering and reshaping the dunes with no dedicated funding source and no clear limits. Based on a public records request, local fire, police, and lifeguard officials have confirmed there have been no dune-related incidents. The fire district has also stated that dune grading would not improve its emergency operations. This proposed initiative seeks to bypass the existing management plan that protects Cannon Beach by dressing up dune grading for oceanfront owners as a public safety and access issue. The facts do not support those claims. It would also amend the city charter, locking this dune policy into the city's highest government document instead of allowing for updates as science, coastal conditions, and shoreline management best practices. advance. A judge has rewritten this ballot to make it clearer to voters. Do not be fooled into paying for a backdoor plan that lets oceanfront homeowners break the deal. Thank you.

Is there anybody else on the line? I don't know whether I can handle it, but I see Okay, one last call from anybody in the audience. Okay, thank you.

So we will start with our first discussion item, which is the Sand Beach Food Community Food Pantry Permanent Facility Request.

Sand Beach Community Food Pantry Board President Tina Vinson will present the proposal for their permanent facility location.

You're here we are again. I assume that you've all seen the proposal. And on behalf of the board of the and the community, you know, he should really know what the public works people or a city council member and members. This is what we have came up with as an idea. looking forward to your questions. I encourage everyone to read the entire summary or the entire proposal and realize that this isn't something we just came up with overnight. This is something we've been working on for two years at least. And I recently went on vacation the week that pantry got knocked down. The original pantry was knocked down. And when I came down the hill, I was like, Okay, nothing's going there again. That's not, that's not first, but you can see the ocean. And we're like, okay, this is, this is pretty, this is a nice view. And what we have is what we had, but we need to look forward. And that's what we're here to do. So I welcome your questions or your comments.

And looking forward to working forward to find a permanent location for True Heart.

Yeah. What council member did you work with? I was the mayor who is also the treasurer of the food pantry. Yes.

Yeah. But she was the one appointed by the council to be on her communication committee.

It was just a question. So I I have, I don't even really know that it's a question. I have to agree with, I agree with the food pantry needs. Putting it there, you're taking out, I agree with Lori, since then, you're taking out part of the park. People go there, people play there, people enjoy it there. Excuse me. And you're still in a tsunami zone. um so that isn't good for the community our community members continuing to go into the tsunami zone to be able to utilize the services that are offered to them there i've come to understand that the city also owns some property up like by the public works yard going to greatly lower insurance costs, things like that, probably building as well, because the number that was given here for building, I can't see that covering seismic activity. I could be completely wrong. That's just me. And then not even covering a tsunami type situation. So have you thought about property that might be up higher and on the other side of the highway?

We've talked to this committee or this council before and investigated every location in this town that we could think probably that would work for our situation, for our clients and for the traffic patterns. And there was none of them were either feasible for us or for those things, the traffic pattern or the governor. So as we said in our proposal, no publicly held land or privately owned land even is available that works for all of those conditions. Right now we are in a park. The proposed plan is to have us remain in a park. So we can still be in a park. We're in a school.

Right. You were in a school building that is going to be a park.

Correct.

So you weren't in a park previously.

It will be. It is a park. And whose park is a park? And the whole thing will be a park.

You were in a school building. So you weren't in the park. You were in a school building. That I'm going to. I mean, if you look at it that way, you I suppose you could look at it either way, but it was, it was part of the school. So I just, I think that there's, I just think that there, I don't see how, if there is property available by the public works department or site up there, how it would be, it would be, wouldn't be a good option. opposed to going in and taking out frees, disrupting neighborhoods that have been there forever, and reducing the size of a park and painting parking.

In Jeff Adams' drawings, I don't know if Jeff's here tonight, but in Jeff Adams' drawings and Trevor's drawings, you would see that in places where the building would be placed, only a 1,500 to 1,800 square building For square foot building that not a large expansive building is where the hedges honor and. Maybe one of the first treats that's where they that's where the proposed placement this. Those parking spaces are not line, so it would be six to eight parking spaces, which would for sure be made up in the difference between moving us from where we are to you're going to lose parking there. And as being in that design of the whole new Metcruz Park system, you're going to lose that in the parking spaces. So actually, it might be a gain in parking spaces in the town. We're only there on Wednesdays. We're there on Wednesdays from 3 to 5.15. That's when the majority of the cars would be there going through there. We deliver on Mondays. Those are the only times that we're there. So we're not going to be disrupting the park every day. It's not going to change. The full reason for why that even came to us was it is already an in and out drive like we have now. In a circle. This one is a continuous in and out. And so that aids in the traffic. That aids in flow. That aids in not coming down into the middle of the city. In any given time, most of our clients are already coming through that four-way stop. So we're not in the drawing, which is only the proposed drawing, but in the proposed drawing, we're not taking out trees, we're only taking out hedges. We would be on the northwest corner of that park where the parking lot is. So most of what we would be painting for the building is the parking space and the hedges. And the bids that we received were from reputable area builders. And that includes, we wouldn't need seismic if the proposal was, it was the pantry's building, the pantry's property. That includes everything that we would need. We don't need fancy. We just want it to look nice on the outside so that it looks like it belongs here in Cannon Beach, like downtown or many of our homes in the area. But we don't need fancy inside. So the $300 a square foot was the given cost that would cost for everything that we would need in that building.

Your insurance company isn't going to be happy with that. They aren't going to be happy with you being in a tsunami zone. I disagree. I understand what you're saying, but I think that there's a lot more to the picture that's not in the portrait. I'm sorry, go ahead.

No, I had a question for Bruce. It sounds like there's drawings of this that weren't included in the packet. I don't know how much of a conversation we had about having to try this. It's in the packet.

It's just the map, the northwest corner of that map. There was a square on it. Maybe the square didn't come through enough.

No, no, no, no. HAB-Masyn Moyer- Yes, there's no there.

HAB-Terry Palmos- Is there any other age that the word that has that class and then following that requirements for the parking the parking zone. HAB-Terry Palmos- And I don't see any proposed. HAB-Terry Palmos- Patterns or HAB-Terry Palmos- Building size setting. HAB-Terry Palmos- Discussion. about this. We have to leave your statements that it'll be good flow and all that stuff. I have some severe concerns about frantic flow in nitrogen. Without having a proposal about that, it's going to be hard to have a discussion about that.

I just have a question. Are there council members? I'm just curious, would you rather remain where it is?

No, I'm just curious. I'm not supposed to remain where it is. It is incorporated within the stuff that's that's that's it. We're here. I guess it's important that it continues operating.

I'm staying where it is. And the big issue is, if they're going to stay there, we're going to accommodate them there, then there has to be a temper. And And we don't have a solution for that or I haven't heard one.

This avoids needing a temporary solution. We have a permanent, functional, ongoing, sustainable home for the pantry. And they're not moving around from place to place. It also gets us to facilities with running water, you know, all the water luxuries that someone would want in a timely manner because you're picking a firm tonight, I believe. Maybe I'm off a little bit on that because this has been my focus. But how long can we be in this situation? Our clients rely on us and it would be nice to be able to give them something that we're looking forward to be sustainable. Um, instead of the Korean, you miss the little floor.

How would you feel if you could stay somewhere in the troops? I mean, of course, now, as far as I'm concerned, we were at the trailer park, and now you're in the old school building, one of the old school buildings temporarily. So how would the food pantry feel about remaining?

I think that I'm speaking for the board, mostly. No, I mean, we're together in this, but I'm saying what I think right now. I mean, with thinking about what has been said, we are not opposed to being a part of that park, but it seems as if, as I was outlining in our proposal, that there are so many benefits for us not being there. Benefits for us not being there, then, is a timely manner Lack of traffic, our traffic goes way down, not being across the road. And just being able to get on would be a functional pantry again. And then when looking at it from a broader concept, not having anything to do with us, then the plans for that park, who I had without concern, the driveways, the entrances, the traffic, the parking, whatever needs to happen does not have to have anything to do with the food pantry, because we've been removed from there. So while that has been obviously a wonderful place to be, is that sustainable in the future? What does that look like? How long does that take?

So you're mostly, it sounds to me, like timing is the bigger issue for you.

Timing and security. Right. And something that we're able to present in the future, more ability to have control, is that the word I'm looking for? If we're in our own building, we're paying our own bills, but we're paying our own upkeep. We're in charge of what happens with the roof, you know, so that's fixed so the tree doesn't fall through and we have to move when we have it. That's why we're in the situation we are in now. We didn't have control over our facilities.

And the land grant is what makes a difference to you then. Right. So if you were given a land grant in the middle of enough land

to build what you would like to build in a cruise car wouldn't that solve the issue of having to move into less sure but the problem that would solve that issue yes but then you're then you're that would be great that that would be great it just that that piece of property has been tied up and will continue to be tied up for such a long time that again when when that came to us it was It's already in and out traffic. It's a tiny little corner. They're only there Wednesdays, a little bit on Mondays. And there's already all of the water is there. The electricity is there because we don't have functioning water. Even if we put a building there, there isn't any connections to water where we are now. Right now, we have a hose coming out of the waterfall. Because that water tank, whatever was there in our original building has been decommissioned. It does not work. There has to be a lift station built at that property for anything that gets built there. So even if we put it in, even if we did get a land grant, we are still have to wait for that water to be done. And then what does that play in your main cruise park plans?

We also talked about the archaeological aspect to digging in there, to putting anything else there at Nacusa. So that's why I would lean more toward, it's fine, they stayed there, but it's going to be a lot more...

I don't know if there's any archaeological concern about Les Shirley as well. That was the other side of the creek. The village was on both sides of the creek.

So... What's that?

There's cultural stuff there. Well, where was Mark drew a map and he shows four native houses on the south side of the creek and a native house on the north side of the creek. I agree with Eric. There's... no way we can make a decision. And I would be very hesitant. It's just a work session. But I mean, we're kind of, we're left with where is it going to be and how is it going to be? And I just want to clear up Lloyd's thing. When you say I've heard the city is planning, this is the first we've heard on it. So I'm a little surprised that planning has been involved in this for two years.

We haven't planned this for two years.

That's not what you said.

We've been looking for a solution for two years. We formed this committee in January, I believe. And we've been trying to find solutions since then. And this is our first proposal. We're not planning this for two years. This was an idea that we came up with that had buy-in from our committee that we were on.

So my first question was going to be, where is it going to be located? Because it's a little park. We don't want to take anything to the east out of the really existing park. So we're going to be building something in a small triangular area where there's existing green space. How many trees need to be removed? You know, say, not many, I guess, is a summary. How much green space are we actually giving up? Is this going to, it is going to affect the parking somewhat. Is it going to affect, I mean, that's a required RV turnaround. You know, is it going to have impact on that? That's our only public parking in the North End to access North End beaches and creeks. And frankly, I'm disappointed that you haven't considered other options. I mean, the option of You know, taking the space where the temporary city hall is now does not take up any green space. The traffic flow could be easily solved. It's private. It's near the bus stop here. I just don't understand why it's not part of the conversation. But taking a chunk out of a neighborhood park seems like a good idea. I can't imagine separating it. You know, lots of other questions about terms of the land grant. But I don't know. I just, I thought it was a bad idea. I would support it at NICUS. I think that's a bigger site. We could design for it. We could design the traffic flow for it. But again, that comes with complications of a temporary location.

I would say that we have made lots of considerations of lots of different vocations.

What about that space down here? It does not work.

What about where the city hall has been? It's traffic patterns. You cannot take, well, you could, but do you want to? take 55, 60 cars through the middle of the town on Wednesdays. On any Wednesday in the summer, that's just...

It would be essentially dedicating the park parking to it on Wednesdays. What's the difference of dedicating those spaces that are gravel there? It would take a little bit of work to make the access and people drive in their items and drive up the road.

It's not parking, it's coming through town. If the location we're on now, they come to the edge of town. The proposed location, they would come to the other, less deep into town. This bringing the cars through here down into this area, it doesn't seem sustainable to us. We get backed up, where are they going to go? And it's not a We're not discounting, but we have considered that location. We have considered where we are. We have considered other locations. We've considered private land to purchase, you know, raise funds to purchase. It's just there isn't very many locations where the traffic pattern works to go in and out for our clients.

All right. Like the RV park area either. But that seems like the Virginia.

Is it? Don't think. You can't get over here. Southbound on 205. And so they still have to go through town to get to where you are now. And they still have to go through town. to get over to LifeSport, surely.

Unless they're coming across the highway.

If they're coming from Seaside, but if they're coming from here, they've still got to go through town. So that's not... I think that that argument for this is not...

If you're not going through the middle of town in two and a half hours, I think that Every single person who comes to our pantry would be coming through this intersection. Every single one. But they go through that intersection?

They don't all go through that intersection. Right. It might be a good idea to describe our service area.

Our service area is to the creek campground on 101, to the tunnel on Arch Cape, to the ocean and then up to June on 26. That's where all the people are coming from. And a lot of them, and the other thing with the traffic is a lot of them, our clients are coming between jobs. They're either working two jobs or they're getting out of school this early, maybe Sunday, Wednesday, and they're coming from those locations. And so they need to get back to, sometimes they need to get back to their jobs. And we know who those are. We try to get them through as quickly as we can so they're back. But that's who we're servicing. So we have a lot that comes from 26 down from the jib.

There's going to be a lot of resistance.

Isn't it true that Once the heart is either a little bit of a little bit water so we're going to have public bathrooms and we're going to have to go back and so we're going to have to build a facility water water. Things like that so there will have to be. Toys there and so many you know you're worried about and so we said in a cruise side maybe leaving it by knowing that they will agree to the city will be providing tell me Sarah is designed for the park so. I don't know if that helps you, your concerns or not, but. It's the timeliness of those. Yeah, those. But. Each other's. Well, I mean, one way or the other, but they're both hearts. Right. And they're both in a synopsis. I mean, I don't think. And they're both on that end of time. Right. And I don't know what man you're talking about. What about Elk Creek Road?

Where are you? What are you referring to? It's between the public work yard and Elk Creek Terrace. I'll find out for sure. I think so. I'll find out for sure and I'll email it to Jen so she can respond to it. Okay.

Yeah, I've been having a hard time figuring where that is. I mean, I know what the two places you're talking about, but I don't know about what land is available between the two of them.

Yeah, and then something over there, there's highway access. No matter both ways, there's highway access. It's off the beaten path. It's not through downtown at all. People aren't having to. I would like to say, Tina, you did a very nice job on So thank you for giving us a lot of information. I, that was, but yeah, I just, I'll find that.

So when will this be on an agenda next? We're just going to ask what we're next. Yeah, because we got, I mean, the bottom line is they need a spot. So, and I figured I, in my opinion, Council in a great much if you can help figure that out. So not just to say no to this or that, but to come up with alternatives.

I thought the temporary building already in place would have been a great alternative, a perfect option for a temporary location and move it back in Munichers.

Oh, but now you need to have a temporary down here.

Well, we were talking about keeping one for them anyway.

We wouldn't have been able to lose those. They're too high off the ground. We can't be that high off the ground.

I think there are solutions.

Sure there are, but that's not going to work. We can't load trucks in and off with our volunteers on ramps that go like this with our food carts.

That's just not... That's not... Those roller ramps where food could be rolled right down practically to our car door. I hear all kinds of objections to that. And I just... I just don't understand that.

Since I've done modular, there's a modular, and they built a loading dock at the end. Their customers go in like if it's a grocery store.

Well, right, but there's still a, and they have a loading dock in the back. We work closely with them since we make rewards. Perfect. So what do you want for the next steps? We're going to go through some money.

Obviously, this is a very complex problem. I think that the council needs one to make a policy decision that you absolutely are or would consider or whatever housing the food pantry. And then before saying, let's go ahead and have a study, you're going to hire somebody tonight to do the work with the crews and give criteria and let people try to go ahead and solve the problems that are associated with it. But I think that if you were to hand this over to staff now, we would be working against the consultants that might come in and then we say, well, we can go ahead and put it in this corner. And then there's all kinds of problems, like the former that it's in now there's a tremendous amount of cost that's going to be associated with putting utilities there. Another location on property, we've still got the ability to use gravity systems and that, but we are talking with stations and other things that the reason that there is no sewer there anymore is because the system that was there was a pump system and it was just a maintenance nightmare So I think you need to do what you're doing right. We've got a couple locations. What is it that you want out of this? And then let somebody take a look at it. And then give you proposals for staff or for the food bank to go back now and bring you back proposals. I don't think they would be now.

So Bruce, are you suggesting that the consultants that we're going to hire for Nate Hoost would be the ones that would give us those recommendations?

I think if there's consideration to put them in place, you absolutely have to include them in the discussion. Because they need to be talking about the utilities, they need to talk about traffic, all kinds of things. So if you're going to be talking about the location at Les Shirley, that's one that you could possibly ask them to extend their scope to say take a look at that site also or do a comparison of the two but you've got the situation is very difficult to solve and I don't think you can solve it in like half hour sound bites I'm trying to work through it without somebody giving me the technical answers and I've not heard What criteria is it?

The RFP for the project included stipulations about space for this and designing around this expected to continue existing in the site. So the architect or the organization is aware that that's something they may have to be designing around anyways.

But I think that probably the most important issue is we want to continue to feed people in our community every single day. And that's something that is the Food Plan Report's number one priority. And so whatever we decide, I think that's the most important thing because we can't tell our in six months.

Did somebody mention something about having a few options other than just one?

I think maybe it'll work if we get some kind of a facility down there as a temporary. that we can work in while this is being developed.

Well, the modulars are down there, but they're leaving. Right. So what do you do? Does the city need to spend a bunch of money to bring another building in? Well, I think that's where we need some help.

That's why building something while we're where we are and then moving to that without staff are full of services to our clients. The benefits of this and what we're looking at. Because you can't, you can't even.

Keeping that modular, you know, to help us with that transition.

And we've already seen ramps and stuff like that. But those modulars are already going away. The schedule is going away, yes. Yes.

I agree with Bruce is that we do have to decide as a policy, as a council, that we want to keep the food bank running. We don't want interruption. And we want it to find permanent help. That looks for food bank in all of its clients. So I assume there's consensus on that. But it also has to work for the city too, right?

Well, yes. Yes. So I think we already all agreed on that.

We did. Yeah. Yeah. And the things that it needs, we all know. It's just very ambiguous now for me. And I'm sure for the Blue Bank and everybody else, how it's going to work.

But we have to figure out a way to get it real quick because it's very important for this evening.

So who's going to figure that out? We're going to have the people from Vancouver's who are designing the farm. We'll see if they can connect with us and meet them. If they can't, then what? Then who does?

We can run some sort of an adjustment to their contract that we'll bring to council through Google. And it would expand. The discussion about the food bank, two other locations.

Okay. I don't understand how, I mean, yeah, we could ask them to look at Les Shirley and pay them to look at Les Shirley as an option. Personally, I would just like to never hear about this option again. So we can pay them to But we're paying them to find a temporary location.

I don't know. I see, literally, if they come up with traffic flow patterns, what it looks like at this site, and if those proposals are not going to work for both or either party in this situation, then I think we need to get staff and us investigating the other sites around this site here, whatever other publicly available, or I'm not sure if that's one of the options, but I don't think we need to have the contractor included in the scope of searching out other locations. I think that's something for us to discuss separately from having to pay a contractor to look at it. Well, and then they don't know town, right?

Yes.

Yeah. What I meant was that we would identify the locations that we would want them to look at. It wouldn't be a complete start, you know, looking all these... It would be, you know, I was imagining that we could probably identify two or three locations and then just get comparisons out of it.

Well, there's... And are they the one, best ones to do that or...

I would go with them because all of any work that they do with studying utilities or whatever, they already have as opposed to having somebody else do that study and then give it to these folks to go ahead and do the design for utilities.

It just seemed out of the scope to have them figure out a temporary facility for a

The temporary facility is there now, but what facility are you going to build towards? Are we going to put it on the coast? Are we going to put it less surely? Are we going to try to put it on the second? What is it that you want to do? Without criteria, the measure is, I don't know if it can come to a decision.

Yeah, I wouldn't mind somebody, and again, I don't know that they're the ones to to look at it. Could the traffic flow work down here? We can sell all the other things, at least for a temporary location. Would something in the RV park area work?

I don't know. I just don't know if it makes sense for me.

the park people too.

But they'd rather go to work in the courtyards at least.

Yeah, they're going to be doing that anyway. They'd be still working on it permanently.

Right, but I think the temporary homes probably something that we're going to have to decide.

I would agree, but who's going to decide what's a viable location?

Well, I would assume that you know, some of the public works or planning would have a better idea of what land was available, what, you know, what was, what kind of, what kind of costs it would incur to put a temporary facility there. I would hope that, you know, if they were tasked with that, they'd come up with some idea for us. Because it's clear to me that none of us know exactly all the land that's available. I haven't heard, you know, So I'd like to hear from, you know, we have gone through this before when we were looking for a spot, but we can't even tell you. So I walk through this town looking for places that, you know, the original plan was to have it on the, where Plymouth is. I mean, part of that building that was still there.

But yeah, I mean,

It's why we drive around in our heads at night. That's why we came up with the 624 people we fed last month that are looking for a gas. There's got to be a gas somewhere. There's got to be a gas. We can work together, make a permanent location for the food pantry so we can feed the people who live and work in this town who need us. They don't just come to us for fun. They're not hanging out on the beach. They need us. And if we're not going to be there for them in a town that is completely... Every day on my Instagram is rated one, two, three of world or country destinations to come visit because it's the greatest place in the world. And we can't feed 624 people in a permanent location.

That's just, you know, I don't think any of the primary council is committed to seeing that. And the timing, we just don't know. We just don't have a solution at this point. But we're going to.

I think I would like to see the food pantry come back with a couple of options and not just one. We know there's a couple out there. Doesn't mean that the third option might be your favorite. But it's an option. So we have options today. And it sounds like there were other places that you could have done something but chose not to pursue.

And we're not made aware of other locations that were available to us.

Okay.

Thank you.

I've had a food pantry while I'm here. say to me, they thought we already want their space. We already bought the new work.

Okay, well, I was looking at the housing. I know. Yeah, it's because we have a nation center.

It's no property available for anything.

And yeah, so the RV and the RV are told us that land is owned by the city. And it seems it doesn't really money to the city, and I understand that, but we have a lot of needs. We don't have housing.

There's a lot of folks of that property currently. So then I'm asking if I need to move out of the property to potentially better utilize the land that is being used to continue using the same number of sites and open up other available land. Yes, we could do that. And in the interest of

move the conversation forward. I've been intrigued by the thought of Public Works taking a look, but then they may need to hire somebody to- They would need to hire space where we could call. Yeah.

So I would go with recommending that with Public Works, we look for some potential sites. it would be nice to be if there are any other permanent slots that would be available as well slots being sites okay Bruce, do you have any idea what would be on the agenda?

Well, my recommendation would be September to be honest, because we're about to move into the new building, and we also want to consult.

Oh, I thought you said December. No, no, no. Okay.

Because we also want to get a consultant so that we could set up. Yep.

Okay. Ready to move on? Yeah, at 7.30 we're going to. Okay, so next we have the Chamber of Commerce Quarterly Report.

Are you sure? We are answered by not having our director with us. So for Laura, I guess I can answer your question. Sandy and all of our assistant president, for not being here, she had to come to our team.

And our, we should possibly be, is Amber in the queue to answer questions. Yes. And then I'm sorry.

This is Nan Devlin. Oh, okay. I heard your name. Okay. And for the Facebook page.

Everybody says your mother calls her.

Okay, so go ahead.

So I think I'd like to start with asking everybody to have a moment to look over the two-year strategic marketing plan that was in the packet. And Nan can give a brief overview of that and potentially answer questions for that. Okay.

All right, yes, my name is Dan Devlin, and I'm a consultant, a tourism consultant. My company is Rural Tourism Partners, and I'm based in Manzanito. And my goal here and the goal of the chamber was to do something that didn't focus solely on Cannon Beach, but was complementary to the county-wide North Post Partners work. And that's what this does is it complements it. Well, North Post Partners have done remarkable work with that. And they have garnered, I'm just, I'm shocked at how much national and international publicity you get in the magazines and other publications online. And they've done a great job. And this will be complementary to that, but in a storytelling manner. There are a lot of economic and tourism trends that are happening that which it very will be a concern to all destinations. The cost of living keeps rising and people unsure of future impacts. And there are higher income jobs that are being laid off, tech, manufacturing. So we'll have to, you know, we've been through, the country's been through this before a couple of times, actually during the 2000s. But the good news is, is that people are prioritizing travel and they're foregoing other expensive things like new cars, even new houses. So that's good. So they're wanting to spend time with friends and family and have a good time. I mean, it's very good. The drive market is especially strong right now, despite idea prices, but it's much more affordable than EarthBaring. So the typical Canterbeach visitor profile said it was about, this was through travel worrying and destination analysts. And it's about 54 to 65 years old, higher income. They travel with families during the summer, but also do lots of traveling out in the off season. But that was like 35% of the visitor profile. There's another 65% that is full of niche markets that can be marketed to. But it's stories that mean something to them. And also, I just want to say quickly that I compared the spending that Canada Beach does for tourism and I compared it with about eight other North Coast and Central Coast. And you're on par with Rockaway Beach and Astoria for ad spend. Seaside is much bigger. They have lots of money that they spend on ads and also Newport and Lincoln City. I was surprised how much Newport actually was spending on ads. It was five times, six times as much as most other towns. But you have so much, such a great reputation that a smaller ad spend than what Lincoln City does is not going to hurt you at all because you have a great reputation as a village that people love. And I would just say that quickly that our... two-year goals. Number one is to increase children and off-season visitation. That's always important to the Oregon coast. There will also be, and I heard this from just the chamber as well as the marketing committee, is that there is a strong desire to have a Respect Cannon Beach stewardship campaign. And so this year, This fiscal year will be giving all that messaging together and that will be working with all kinds of state agencies, getting their feedback, such as state parks, Fish and Wildlife, some nonprofits, and locals of what they see. And one of the great things is that they've had to be aware around health has already been started. So we'll coordinate with the city on that. Using local voices to personalize marketing. People want to know. Storytelling is huge right now and people want to have a connection, not just going into a store, shopping, but they actually want to know where these things come from, who made them. So we want to get those stories out and that will be through blogs and short reels. reaching day trippers those who are already here and give them ideas for spending their money and their time and that geolocation campaign is starting this friday so it's friday saturday and sunday and it'll go for five weeks and we'll be getting weekly reports on how much interaction there is and we're advising showing people fun pictures and some great little um headlines that uh to get out and dine, go shopping, go ride bikes, play with your dog, things like that. So they'll just, they're very targeted and very nice. And then also it's important to keep peak season travelers informed, teach safety, advance, think about your dog, your duty, things like that. And that's about the extent of peak season. communications, they're just advising them how to engage with each. And then we'll have some benchmark results, too. And I want to go over those benchmark results as soon as we get the first geolocation studies, because we may just adjust those a little bit.

And there is a follow-up of the summer geolocation connections to do a push to come back and visit in the fall and the winter.

Yeah. Geolocation is surprising how much information you can capture from people's cell phones. And that's how we'll be targeting through a cell phone. That's scary. It's very scary.

People have been watching for a long time.

It was scary. I just read a detective novel that took place in France and they were looking for a murderer and they found her through her fifth death. So very scary.

Yes. Questions about the marketing? Very nice.

about engaging with people that are here, not inviting them, not anything missing.

I believe the headline for the campaign is, experience the magic here in Salina Beach. So the concerts in the park, the movies in the park, the play in the theater, playing pickleball on the fabulous new pickleball course that I very much appreciate. I don't have to read it. I think we're over here. But it's more of a messaging in the peak season than actually marketing. That's the chance to say, please pick up after your dogs. Please be aware of the parking space. What does that look like?

The messaging.

The messaging. It's a flash on your cell phone, and it's images with just simply a small tagline like, I can't remember.

Exactly. Fetch some fun.

Fetch some fun. That's one with the dog. Bag some goodies. Bag some goodies for retail. So it's just that small pictures that speak a thousand words, basically. to encourage them that, oh yeah, I could stop and get some... Where does this show up, though? On your cell phone.

Do you get a text message?

And they've got their car, their phone, looking at it, it'll come up.

I had a driver in Hillsboro to pick up something, and I got out of the car, and I looked at my phone, and it's like, oh, Hillsboro. They were like, hey, we noticed you're in Hillsboro. Do you need something to eat? Are you looking for a slow shot? Are you looking for a place to eat? Click through and it's their website. Here's our members. Here's the group. Here's the group next to you, near you. Like, wow. We've got to agree with them. It's a great thing. Don't get me wrong. It's a great thing, but it's available.

It's for all those people that don't know how to turn off location.

Which is most everybody. I think the idea was Since we get day trippers, we don't have to pull them here. They're going to come here anyway. Can we get them to spend a little bit of money when they're here? And since the economy is dicey, we thought that might be where we're doing things. And that they're going to respect the price.

I mean, that's the part that has to be moved.

OK. Yeah. the short stint pilot program for the GeoCat. Is there stewardship messaging for that? Pick up after your dog, respects, 800 feet with Mel, sort of, those messages are built over throughout that.

Yeah, we're showing food pictures, riding the bike, fat tire bikes, we look at that to get better. That attracts more

Yes, there are stewardship messages included in the campaign. Picture of a pile of food in a bag. So maybe make a picture of food bags on the side of the trash can that they're available and pick them up and pick up after your dog. And pick up after your dog. In my biggest dreams, we would have... Kevin Hart, come on and say, I found a rock I can respect. And it's not Dwayne Johnson, but rock and space. You know, respect the rock, respect the wildlife. In our clarity of place information, that word respect came up over and over and over again. So that's very much at the top of the mind for our campaign is to garner that respect from the people who do come to the town to respect it. Some locals need to learn how to respect, too. But, you know, pick up your trash. Yeah. Right. Cliffs and rocks. I've been very, very adamant lately about I want to see those black oyster ketchup chefs survive this season.

There's safety messaging. Yeah. I'll just say that promoting cannabis is the easiest job in the world. And there's a reason that we don't need to spend the kind of money that other communities spend. Because I have my Google Alerts set. I see practically every day we're getting... positive coverage sometimes it's not as positive but generally one of the best places for and there's you know a list of like 10 things so we do have a great reputation you mentioned it and i think that the bulk of our marketing should be going to maintaining and building that great reputation because you can't just expect it always to be there you do need to and remind people and keep that present. And the bulk of the rest of it should be, call it stewardship messaging, but it's really messaging to people who, to respect nature, the environment, promoting low impact outdoor recreation, hiking, the bird watching, along with all those stewardship things. So I'd really like to see us focus on those things, content that really promotes why we have a great reputation. And again, so many people have commented about the elk program. And I think that's an example of some of the kinds of things that can be done.

It's been expanded, not just through the city's efforts. I know that there are businesses that have also been like, this is the elk and this is a zoomed image. And that, that message I think is getting spread very, very well. And, um, we're, we're doing our best to also, um, do it from the information center and, um, Just this morning, I got a, something came, almost everything Cannon Beach comes across my newsfeed. And this morning, the one that I saved and screenshotted was, point of view, an influencer makes you drive three hours out of your way to visit a beach. Somebody had been influenced by an influencer and came way out of their way to see Haystack Rock and to visit the beach. So we do have plenty of help out there, people saying, to come, but getting the message across is, I agree, the most important thing.

I sat in on, I think the whole council did, on a lot of that when we had the consultant come in. And we were told over the last couple of years that this kind of messaging was going to be, I haven't seen it. I haven't seen it. a real strong stewardship message in Vermont, yeah, as a major part of the campaign. And that's what, you know, we were told it would happen before, and it didn't, because I'm impressed just on and on about it.

Well, and it may not actually, it may not come into your view if we're reaching people who aren't already here. So we don't always see everything, but I can tell you that this this month's visitor newsletter had two things and they were both stewardship messages. One was the L campaign and the other was protecting the rock and featured the black oyster catchers and the sensitivity of the nest there and to please respect that area so that they could continue to grow. So there's at least one example of a stewardship message that has gone out from the chamber to the visitor, e-visitor newsletter that is a stewardship reminder to respect those items.

And we have a different, a little bit different group in front of us today. Yes, yeah, and it's refreshing. I would like to thank you, Laura, for mentioning clarity of place and saying something about something that came out of that report. I think Lisa was able to do that also. Yeah, I guess I didn't hear that part.

I was like, what do we, how do we use this? And so I read through it and that word respect is in those documents 50 times. Maybe I didn't count them, but it was a reoccurring message. And so I would say that message has been received and that's something that we'll be working on. Yeah, I saw.

And I just, I mean, I'm hoping this chain, you know, this new group is starting to make sure that because it didn't happen before. Okay. Well, I'm sorry.

You really can't answer that question anymore. So how are things structured now? We've been through a lot of revolving doors. So we've got marketing people. We don't have marketing people. Well, we are. Lots of different employees.

We are still currently in flux. We are continuing our relationship with Worthy Marketing to do the social media on a monthly basis for the Experience Canyon Beach. We've brought man on.

Can I just interrupt? Sure. Is that all Instagram posts that then get copied onto Facebook?

I believe that they're jointly shared, that they're released to both Instagram and Facebook. And then the team at the chamber also has access to the Experience Kingdom Beach and will insert and make, post or I call it social shares as needed. Like we'll be sharing through a cadence the videos that the city has released for the elk. that that's not covered by Worthy Marketing, but it's something that the team can do and make sure that that is shared. Then we brought on Nan as a consultant for the planning portion of it. We do have a marketing person in the Chamber's budget for the next year. So that would probably need more of a coordinator kind of position, Our executive director's gone through the middle of August now, so I'm at a little bit of a standstill on moving forward with hiring a specific marketing person. For now, it's divided up amongst the team.

And Jim did ask me when the new marketing people are brought on to help train them. I'd like to remind our audience to try to keep the conversations down that it's really hard to hear, especially with people that are trying to listen online. So.

Um, I don't know. I, you know, we've been working on some things for years about trying to relook at the chamber contract. Uh, and like just about everything we do seems like, uh, it takes a long time. Um, We'll get even closer. One of the things that concerns me, and it may be that we're going to have a staff person to oversee this, so council doesn't have to, but if we are supposed to be overseeing it, I would say that the financials are not any help at all without any historical financials. I don't know.

And I think it's, Gary, I think Tim is a little more involved. Tim Coyier is a little, I agree with you, I'm not saying that, but I think he's a little more involved at this point with the financials.

We are happy to report to you, however, whatever you ask, we just need to know.

I don't know. So you let us know that you wanted historicals. I think what happened was, that we talked about in the board meeting, that we need to have historicals in there. I'm not sure it got communicated to anybody. Oh, yeah. I was concerned about it as well. It's hard to take it into context when you don't know what happened the previous three years.

It was part of the recommendations that we had.

Yeah.

It's been part of the conversation for five months.

I remember you told me about it in the last three months or something.

It's been long, yeah.

I was not aware of that.

One of my other concerns financially is we had hundreds of thousands of dollars in reserve. I don't really recall how much, at least $300,000 of reserves and we now have 29.

Wasn't part of that wasn't part of that like $189,000 reserve fund that shouldn't have even been in the financials? I can't I think there was some money somewhere about $189,000 I believe there was about $189,000 that was just applied

of reserve applied to the operating budget. That's what I recall.

Can you hear that?

I am here. Can you hear me? Yeah. So the reserve, what I can tell you about it is, and you might, I think they didn't present

the second quarter maybe. So you might have a little bit of disconnect. I know they were sent forward. So you might be looking for that. But yeah, they do cover the operating expenses. And it is pretty typical for this particular time of year for that to be low just because everything is being funded. However, there's no like the summer income and the spring and summer once that comes in, then the reserve is really high for the first couple quarters, and then it's really low right now, just because the busy season is currently happening. But the chamber hasn't received any of the cash for that. So the next quarter, you should actually see it spike back up again.

But I don't think that was... It's not a matter of cash flow, which is what you're talking about now, right? This was some... this was $189,000 ish worth of funds that were in a reserve account. And it was shown, I think that Jim put it there because it was on something that he got from the city. I don't think I know. Okay. He got from the city and it was reported. Ironiously, it was kind of like a, maybe I wrote, this is a big word, but it was, um, kind of put there in a holding place, and it shouldn't have been. And so it just kind of went away. They didn't really have them. Was this after phone? Oh, yeah. This was in the last year.

Well, they were locker carryover dollars for several years.

Right.

So I'm not sure. It just went away.

I'm worried. If that was the dollar figure from a previous contract, there was still

It was something, it had something, there was something about reserves and without Jim being present, but I feel pretty confident that it was, it just shouldn't have been there. There was, that wasn't always a map that maybe we'll be able to figure out what that was.

Well, I do. Okay.

I'm happy to look into it and see what I can find out. I do know that the funds for what is spent there, they are all in one account and accounted for separately. And so, you know, whatever, basically how it works is, you know, the expenses that show up on for the quarter, then that gets paid out to, you know, they get reimbursed for it in that sense to cover the cost for the last quarter on the expenses that are presented at these meetings. And so, but I'm happy to look into it. Do you know a timeframe, what you're thinking? Just so I have a general idea where to look.

Was it in the last eight years?

Just look at the last two years budgets and see how much, what amount of reserve funds was put into the budget.

Gotcha.

And then whether it's better or not.

Gotcha. I know there was that extra, maybe you're talking about the extra reserve that went in last year. It's probably, I know there was some extra reserve that went in, but yeah, I'm happy to take a look at that for you.

Okay, and we sent out the questions. I just have a question, because I'm looking at the DMO balance sheet. I assume that says March 2026, right? I've made that assumption also.

Yes.

But I'm looking at the assets and the liabilities. It seems that the assets only show cash, but they don't show any receivables, like the TOT money that you're owed. So is that included in that cash or?

No, no. I mean, yeah, we can definitely... incorporate that I know originally, we we talked with him about these and this is just kind of the format that was that was agreed upon. And so I've just been so I just follow that.

But we can definitely, you know, look into that for sure doing rule balance sheet, you know, I'm saying because they would show you it's, it's not showing what you've heard, as opposed to what you receive and pay.

One of the challenges to that I thing is the way the contract was structured because it's not like you've got an invoice out there that would show up as a receivable. You've got an amount that you don't know what it's going to be because we're just giving the whole 1%, 70% of 1% to the chamber. Okay. We do need to make an adjustment to our agenda because our city attorney needs to meet

done by 8 o'clock, and we have three items to talk about.

So I can hear from Tim what he was saying quickly and then more.

Better be quick. Just super quick. The contract is with the Chamber's attorney, so we're pretty much wrapped up. And the new contract has set amount by percentage, so it'll be easier for them to hear it. Okay.

Thank you. Okay. So I think we will continue when Jim comes back. And that is That office.

Well, it's not about anything. I will be all right. But thank you very much for having me.

Thank you for the nice presentation. Thank you so much.

OK, so we are going to very quickly move to item three.

If you want to go.

What's that? 378. Okay. All right. With me today, Skylar Octavall from the Sunset Park and Recreation Foundation and Amber Fowler.

And as you recall, we had an agreement with ORCA to be the financial intermediary with regards to fundraising and purchasing the Haystack Hill property. So what is now for you is the Sunset Park and Recreation Foundation is willing to get into a contract with the city and be that intermediary. And then there's another number that will help with the founder. So what I'm bringing to you is the updated, we've changed the contract, but since we're also changing the vendor, I wanted to give you an opportunity to ask any questions and then we will bring this back. If you say, okay, we'll bring this back and the purchase sale agreement with regards to the aid stack, I feel slash challenge and pulling the property at the August 6th meeting. But for that, I will open it up to any questions.

Are there changes to the agreement other than swapping out the name Horka for Sunset Empire?

There are not a lot of changes. There are some, the date changes and one of the things we'll have to change in the PSA is the mentioning of Horka and switch it to the Sunset Empire and REC Foundation.

So Sunset Empire didn't have any things that they were concerned about or

I have not received anything there there or did agree to get into a contract.

And they didn't have any.

Actions in the agreement. We don't know and I just want to make sure that everyone understands that the district the special district or is not was approved in this area, although they're aware of it and they're very happy about. this opportunity to partner on the school project, but it's the parking foundation, which is separate from the district and their board has approved us keeping the board together. And they are the ones who do it.

Thank you for being there. And how many projects like this have you done before?

We've done probably about half a dozen or so, although this is the the most significant financially that we'll have done, but we worked with the City of Seaside on the Bob Jones Community Center Refresh Project, and then partnered with some other smaller projects, including Pride in Seaside, Ironman Park, and some other efforts in Seaside. That's an umbrella organization? Yeah.

So you were an umbrella organization for Pride in Seaside? Yeah.

Okay.

Yeah.

I know.

Yeah. The $200,000. So your administrative fee will be the same, $200,000. And do you keep all of that and you're able to put that into other projects?

Yes. Our foundation board, I think, will put that into their reserves and then they may allocate it for a specific project. lots of fun projects that we're hoping to do and we need more funding for. So this is a great opportunity for us to maybe have some of those needs met.

So why did the Oregon thing fall through the board wasn't aware to start with?

No, they were aware. Just they got to the point that they decided that it wasn't helpful or part of their mission. Well, that's part of their mission, I guess. So that's how I phrase it.

And also that they felt that there was a problem with the way the funds were transferred. They were concerned about that. The two attorneys on their board were very concerned about that. And they were afraid of risking their organization, the way it was structured. I mean, that's how they felt.

I'm not saying they're right or wrong. I'm just saying that was their main concern.

Orca had never been a fiscal sponsor to any project before, and so they didn't know how to do it. They were uncomfortable because they'd never done it before, and they had other concerns about projects that they were working on and that impacting them in doing this project too. So I think that there were concerns from this side as well, even though Orca's a great organization, I think they were also slightly contentious in some ways because they suit the city. Orca has taken out lawsuits against different residents in the city that have properties that would potentially be supporters of the project. So I think there were concerns on both sides that we were trying to make it work, but they just generally weren't comfortable with the situation, which is why we sought to get Sunset involved because they've done it before. And I think it's a good option. I agree.

It's the city in general. That's fine. Yeah.

Yeah.

When we see this again, will it be a red light version where we can see the changes from the previous contractor who's going to read everything over again?

No, no, I'll have the, so what you have in here right now is essentially we've swapped out the draft and swapped out the, Sunset Park and change the date. That's basically all we've done on this contract. I was more concerned about your feelings with regards to the organization since you haven't met that organization before.

Will this open doors for us to work with Sunset Park to make a lot more progress?

I certainly hope so. I think we'd love to have more engagement with the residents of Cannon Beach and support some of the awesome things that the city is doing and that we're serving a lot of your residents through our services and programs and facilities now. So we hope to just strengthen the partnership over time.

And so I didn't read this verbatim because I knew I figured it was probably pretty much the same, but the dates have changed. Does the end date pass when we should know about that grant?

Currently, it will. We should have some information with regards to the Holland staff extended PSA and we tie the disagreement to the timing of that PSA. And then when we bring the PSA back to you on the 6th, we're also going to have another potential extension. And then that could get us to December where we would know pretty much everything is the next step.

The worst case is there's an extension. Yes. Yes, yes, yes. And you guys are good with that if something happens and we get the grant, but the funds aren't going to come through until February, if you're okay to extend this.

Well, they have to be, this has to happen first. So yeah, we're very excited about it. Yeah. And I talked to OCRD earlier this week or I should say last week, just to check in to see sort of where we were at. And she told us, you know, I told her that I wanted to be able to add some of the advisors, our fiscal goals, as our fiscal sponsor after this meeting goes, you know, after we decide. And then she also gave me a status that there were only, there was only one land acquisition grant application submitted. There were two that were land acquisition and development grants that were submitted. And a total, I think if I'm not mistaken, $27 or $28 million in applications that they received for this year's cycle. And it's about a million or something more than last year's. And they funded $16 million of it last year in 2025. So it's about the same odds as last year's. So you can't say more than that. But we should know probably first of August or so that we'll get to the review and then go from there. So, okay, any other questions? Okay, thank you very much.

Thank you. Okay, now we are going down to, we're going to temporarily close the work session, the special meeting, and we're with item number seven, resolution 2614. Ashley, go ahead. Ashley?

Yes. Hello, everyone. So this is the resolution authorizing appointing the manager pro tem and a temporary employment agreement. Essentially, we just took the direction that we received from council at the last meeting and created this resolution.

Great. Any questions? I have a question about extension. If it just so happens that we haven't passed another resolution, if it needs to be extended past the expiration date on here, December 8th.

I'm sorry, can you say that one more time?

So the resolution has an expiration date of December 8th, 2026. The contract that is before us for the next item on the agenda TAB, Alex Weinheimer, kind of makes it look like the decision is going to be made until the end of summer, leaving us with alerts for about a month or so. TAB, Alex Weinheimer, Is there, we just have to pass a resolution on December to extend the program. TAB, Alex Weinheimer, City manager vision for whatever it is, or is this not acceptable.

TAB, Alex Weinheimer, So basically what i'm hearing from your question is, can we. extend the Pro Tem City Manager contract beyond the term that's written in the current draft? Okay. That would depend on your charter terms, which I'm looking up right now, and whether there is an express set term limit for Pro Tem City Managers. So some charters set an express end date and some charters do not. I'm just confirming that right now while we're talking.

Does anybody else have any questions?

That was my question as well. I think I made the assumption that it happened. Right, but if it's in the charter, which I'm surprised you don't already have the answer, but I would have thought through that, past that, because it could take a while.

Yeah, so it's four months in your charter that you can have a pro tem.

So we can't extend it?

Correct.

Or not extend it, but we can't write another contract?

Correct.

So what do we do if this place that we hired can't find a city manager that we all agree on? Then what do we do?

We'll need to have another conversation. But your charter provides that your pro tem can be for four months.

So I think instead of having another conversation, I think that we need to probably start planning for them not to be able to find somebody in four months. Because if they don't find somebody, then are we just not going to have a city manager? Can we just not have a city manager? Can we have temporary 10? Until we find somebody else?

Resolution and... And then we've got four minutes.

And we can talk to the consultants and let them know that, you know, this is something we've just discovered. And so we need to make some adjustments to the timeline.

I move to approve Resolution 2614, appointing Tim Collier as the Interim Pro Tem City Manager, beginning August 8, 2026, and authorizing the Mayor, to enter into a temporary employment agreement with Mr. Collier. I second. Any further discussion?

Okay, we'll probably end. Councilor Hayes?

Yes.

Council President Kerr? Yes. Councilor Oestrander? Yes. Councilor Hannon? Yes. Mayor Nau? Yes.

Okay, thank you. Next, we have Resolution 2615. Ashley?

Yes. So, give me one moment. I just had your Charter open. I'm clicking over to that one. Here we go. Okay. So 2615, this is authorizing the mayor to enter into that contract for city manager recruitment. So again, acting on your direction at the last council meeting, this is proceeding with that PSA.

I move to approve resolution 2615 authorizing the mayor to enter into a personal services contract with GM consultants that is approved by the city attorney. Second. Any further discussion?

We will call these again. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Okay. Thank you, Ashley. Thank you. Appreciate it.

Okay.

Now we're going to add this to, uh,

We're going to close special meeting, open up the work session again, and we're ready for item number four, which is the city following food station product updates. And thank you guys for voting.

Thank you.

Well, we are happy to be here again, as always. We're a little bit sooner than previous status. We did that because we want to be available to answer questions for this specific period, as there were some changes to the contingency based on presentation last time. So I actually want to start this time in opposite order. And what happened before we went back to the mall. It's fine. He is occupied and operational. We still, as we see. Reconciliation and by the final election happening. This is through work in May. There is continues to be small items, but we do have here a finalized contingency remainder that we're transferring over to City Hall. So that is, we were projecting last time, this number is now what will be transferred over to that City Hall contingency of $133,000. I mentioned there's still a little bit going on there. There's adjustments to the HVAC system that are scheduled, I believe the first week in August. and that there's remaining outstanding work there. So we would be looking at finalizing everything in July or August, which, you know, so that will, because of the delay in the reports, possibly we can make that work by September. By September as well. That's why you're seeing only 94% there work. Okay. Last couple items. And with the lab, That will be 100% here, quite far.

On City Hall, before you go on, does anybody have a question? No?

OK. So on City Hall, you can see that number. We'll get to it in a moment, the transfer of the . There are several initiatives approved contingency uses this time. And then there are new to this report projected remaining contingency uses. And that is because as we near project completion, we are able to forecast what these items might be to reconcile the whole of the budget. There are some items here shown in black. specifically those with the IT and the voltage items that are listed in the approved contingency use. I'm calling special note to those because originally they had been anticipated to come out of the soft cost side of the equation. Contractually, it made sense to have them come out of the construction GMP. It was still within that overall budget to do so. And so that's why those funds were always in the budget, but now coming out of a different source. And with that, I'll open it for questions.

Are our chairs in that? Yeah, they are. Yes. They are.

And I couldn't present, so I didn't.

But it was me.

The $32,000 from PDE transferred to the City Hall, is that right? Am I missing where that's included on the budget in the City Hall budget, or is that not included yet that hasn't been transferred?

It's included under projected terrain use in parentheses. I don't know why that hasn't happened, but I don't know.

We still have a paper trail. We may do any kind of that transfer. So that hasn't happened yet. So we're not going to say that it hasn't done until it's actually physically done that.

Okay, so we went over. So we went over contingency by 20 something thousand. I would say that's a possibility.

Um, I think some of those other numbers in the projected remaining contingency usage, their order of magnitude numbers. Um, and we were conservative a little bit. So where we exactly land yet. Um, but we have used the sounds of the contingency.

All right. And you help me understand the temporary facilities. Uh, I don't know if I missed something in what you were saying, whether they were in soft costs.

Tim and Solis were not in soft costs. That was originally part of Tim and Solis was in the original thing was a alternate and the GMP that was voted on. And at the time, before we even mobilized like anything, they either thought we need a temporary facilities were put in place. Then as we approved the GMP, all the temporary facilities budget was kind of based on allowances. And as we proceeded on to try to find out what temp facilities actually needed, there were several factors. One, you needed to be on emergency power. specifically a generator to kick on upon an emergency and then a transfer switch that actually switches it from permanent power to the generator power. So that was kind of an item that kind of ran over budget. Originally, one of the trailers was supposed to leave, or I'm sorry, it was supposed to stay for reasons at the time potentially it had to stay. And that money would then have come from another city budget and covered that?

Correct.

Yes, sir. So there was ultimately there's like a small list of items that caused that budget to go over its original design allowances. So we're pulling that from the contingency. I think I get it. Thank you. Yes.

Overall, for both projects, you're going to come in on your budget. Yes, that is correct. So The idea is that the contingencies have been used for things that you didn't otherwise see. Correct. So all in all, we're going to come in under budget for both projects about $1 million, $700, $5 million, $10,000. You don't have to answer that. I can take the first.

I think it depends whether we're looking at the GMT, which is the guaranteed maximum price for construction, that we're coming in for both projects overall, even with the listed contingency combined we're coming in under the GMT. That number of savings will be one number. If you include the soft costs in there, the owner's contingencies, under budget FF&E, there's several items here where those savings are substantially larger. So if we're looking at that initial all-in project budget and where we anticipate coming in, there'll be more savings there compared to looking at strictly the construction.

And that's what I'm talking about, just that overall, we went in at $26 million all-in, whatever the number was, for both projects. Let me And we're going to realize spending less than that overall. Yes.

And then to kind of go on your point about the contingency, one of the things that we came up together at the beginning of the project, that our contingency is we have a budget here. And the contingency is there to use for things unforeseen and whatnot. That's why you saw stuff like AV and IT, which was originally in your soft costs. We were like, well, let's use the money that we already have in our bucket to take care of those items. So the more that we saw that created more savings on your side of the budget, while we monitor and slowly use for the betterment of the project or the building, the contingency. So that was kind of like a good team decision that we all came across at the beginning. Like, let's use what we have here so we don't have to spend your money that you have over here. And come ask for more. Yes, ma'am. Right.

Nobody has to do that. Yeah. It's true. Thank you for that explanation.

Any other questions?

Okay, thank you very much for the next meeting. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Okay, that's we're ready to burn.

Item number five, recycle on. Good evening, Mayor, members.

Well, quite a bit of information in this staff report. The general idea is that the Circular Action Alliance offers for free a container that we can use that have bins in it for the purpose of recycling carbon recycling materials. A list of those materials is shown as an attachment, plastic bags, plastic lids, rigid six pack handle, plastic buckets and pails, aluminum foil, shredded paper, and then we already do glass bottles and jars. So there's a list of the hard to recycle materials. Again, the costs, they're free. We don't pay anything to host the site. OBRC would be our service provider. There's actually battery power cameras that are in there that take pictures, three images a day, and determine the value and fullness. And that indicates to our service operator and how often they need to come out to take those recycled materials away. There is staffing assistance as well that's paid monthly. They say that we need to allocate approximately 10 hours a week. And that's for our current employee to open up the container, do periodic checks, sweep it out, get rid of any contaminants, and educate the consumers and close the container as well. All the maintenance is done by CCA, including repainting as needed, door repairs, light repairs, et cetera. Size was a bit of an issue with our current footprint of our recycling center. At first, you can see the image of the city of Ashlands, which is included as an attachment. That's a 20-foot container. um and we were having a really tough time uh locating it on our site without expanding the footprint of the recycling center which would then require modifications to the gate and fence and um so after inquiring i found out that they actually have a 10-foot container they're just not available yet so that 10-foot container should be starting to become available by the end of the year um and so it is our recommendation based on what we anticipate for demand uh to to go with that smaller container, at least to start. That was really all I had.

Is there, are there going to be, for lack of a better word, cranky if they have to come more frequently than filling a 10 foot container? If demand exceeds what we expect there?

I don't know how cranky they'll be. Yeah, I mean, it's tough. you know, not, you know, being in and around the recycling center, you see that there are like five gallon buckets and pails that kind of build up. But our staff has seen the amount of these things coming through. Well, now when you're offering, oh, now we can take plastic bags, people are going to start bringing plastic bags. But again, I think that to start out, the 10 foot is a good option. And I can certainly inquire with them what kind of party it would be. Uh, you know, eventually to, to go up to a larger size, but I think the 10 foot is the right size.

Yeah. But, uh, yeah, that was my biggest, my biggest concern is if, if they, I, I imagine the first couple of times probably when moving pre heavily and people have off of the stockpiles or whatever it is that they're going to decide to go buy on. But if they're going to grow, the CCOA is going to be frustrated with having to come more frequently, potentially only grow a quarter or something, versus a 20-footer that we may not need in the long run.

Even a 20-footer that might get loaded up or crazy. Yeah, staff plans to meet with them. They're going to come out on site and take a look at it. So that's one of the questions I can certainly ask them.

you're saying staff management required the 0.25 fte we can cover that with existing uh that's correct yeah yeah we're confident that we we have that 10 hours a week that's necessary uh additional expenses that could be incurred would be disposing of anything that uh gets left there that's inappropriate, that they won't take?

Correct. Very similar to the situation right now. You know, we have people come that throw trash away, and unfortunately, we have to pull that containment in and out, and then we take that to our trash connector by the wastewater treatment plant. So, same thing. Yeah.

So, education will be important. Yeah. Do you imagine it actually taking an additional 10 hours, or just...

because that's not what they're projecting but i feel like it probably isn't an actual 10 hours no yeah i think that at this particular time because of the staffing yeah i think they're they're conservative but you know you know for air folks but with our existing staff laws we can we can open close educate and check our entertainment is periodically look like the 10 foot fits nicely

Thank you for doing that. Great. Thanks so much. Thank you. Okay.

Now we're on item number six, the nature's parking element design and construction services committee.

Yes, it was a recommendation, I believe, from folks that were involved in the selection of the consultants for the cruise park. And it suggests that there be a cruise park advisory committee. And there's a list of items that are here that the council would need to decide before moving forward. I want to strongly caution The council that whatever structure you have there's no one between public and council. That that will need to be to review the information make a recommendation of the council. I would strongly urge you here directly from the law that it goes straight to go home. And that's very similar. Well, it's a really good. We're we look at the other places that have been set up so we're what we're considering when it was that was done where they went out in the research and then put together a report made a report to counsel. I think that you don't want somebody talking to sign with your residents. And then give me. Maybe I say no. Okay, I got your record.

Okay, thank you. I think I think. The previous many. There was a lot of research that was done that should have been handled by the consultants, the people that are trained to do those things. We have people on our committee that spend a lot of time doing those things. And the reason we have consultants is because they're the experts. And so they need to be a little more involved. Is that what you were saying?

I'm not sure it is. Well, I mean, we had a committee because we had a facility and we needed policies and we needed to discuss uses and limitations. And that's not similar to what it seems like we're sitting at a committee for now.

Right. It is different as far as my point of view. Okay. I think if you look back at the way that the original Leaker's project was done, There was a lot of public input, and it was public input that was given to the council. And the council made the decision to say, okay, we'll go with this, we won't go with this, let's explore this some more. But you had control of the process.

Yeah, and in my mind, the idea was really to roll the weight situation we ended up in last time, which I think fell to a lot of people, like... We do a public process. And of course, a lot of people complained that it was a flawed public process. And then a whole lot happened between the designer. But there really wasn't a committee to help guide the designer along the way.

That should have been cut. Unless you want to advocate that responsibility to someone, then you can do that. And they can be the connection to the consultant. But what I'm recommending is that you don't allow that to happen. You take the input. If that's true, then do we need a committee or are we reconnected? There are other functions that you want a committee to look into. There are some operational things you know what. But what I'm saying is the public input. To counsel should not be.

But if we don't have a committee we don't we won't have to have a representation which is very important.

You can.

Although there is travel representation. There are people are consultants. on the previous project outside of the committee that existed. So there was still that.

But I think that was one of the projects. And that was kind of outside of the whole public process. Yeah, I agree that that was a. I'm going to figure out how to avoid that and make sure that all interests are represented. So tribal interests, general interests, uh local community interest uh you know parks committee yeah the uh i think historical and environmental uh i mean i feel like i can do a lot of that sitting on council and we're the committee i'm i'm okay with that um but it does seem i just want to avoid where we ended up

last meeting probably work for his intention to present happen, but we didn't want to make it so we need some works. You know, you know, inside the apartment, they can't take it in.

But I already got a person what doesn't work when I see those, those meetings will need to be standalone meetings. Because they're going to be long.

Yeah.

I have. So those are most of the stuff that in order for the focus of the intention to be focused on comments that are going to be very easily a single single entity that is that maybe last time we were saying we're not going to be working on it. But I had the same questions as what was was the ass of all new committee. this if the ask is designed what then we're it should be council getting public comment creating that discussion so then we add a committee in there and then if it's if it's not designed this is this committee just do refining or I don't know what the objective is of a separate standalone committee for this. Yeah, my main interest is just to make sure we're aligning all the stakeholder

uh, priorities, uh, you know, rather than it, uh, rather than being a designer, uh, doing the process. But I, again, now that I think about it, maybe, maybe we can do that with some travel, uh, in what, uh, I said, yeah, I don't know how that works is. So just comment.

Is there an option of like a joint session where the chairs of each of the public works committee and representation from public works like Chris and there are like where we do joint meetings like that?

And if we did a joint meeting, could we add outside consultants to that? As part of the BS? As part, yeah. Or yeah, as or conversation for sure. It's not like that. So like right.

Yeah. I think the answer to all of these is yes. So is it report to you make sure that you there's a very short line. There's a line at all. We knew in the public. No, I think that the example of Well, asking me going out and saying let's go and find out who will charge how they budget those kind of things. That was I think that was a great news to her because they came back with a report. And that information was provided to that and it is doing the study. And that's exactly how it should be for you know, anybody council is seeking out for additional information.

just make sure you come back and that way we have the answers when making decisions. I like the idea of the way you're going.

Me and Eric suggested we have the heads of all the different, also we don't have the whole committee, we just have the chair. The chair or representative that can get someone who may have a special education department. You know, someone can obviously have Chris and But parts they want to send somebody else. So we are going to send it from the other friends. Well, and have it. You know, it's special one.

So, I mean, and where does that mean? I like that. So,

I think we need to address these things with our contractor. And I'm assuming we build some kind of introductory meeting where, I mean, I don't want to see them come in and redo the flood public process that happened before. And we're so far down the road here that it's like, we have a lot of information and they're coming in cold. And I just want to make sure that we can really communicate with them rather than, I mean, I think a lot of the projects they're doing, they're thinking, like Sita did, okay, let's start, let's have, you know, community outreach things and let's have surveys and, you know, I'm much more comfortable with the public reading and getting input with the knowledge of starting with current knowledge.

But you'd still have to do it so it was present. Absolutely.

We know the temperature of our constituents, right? We know the town.

Yeah, I think that's a great idea. That way then the project will ultimately be almost completely different from the way that it was.

It was still the council, everything came to the council was, but it was, but there were two, there was too much in the middle.

Okay, are we okay with that final? Yeah. And how soon would we like to come? Soon? Well, first, we have to complete their contract.

We're going to enter their contract, and then we have a plan on non-scheduling our committee until after we've been in the local UOJ. So we want to get settled, and then we will schedule it beforehand. We're not going to do it until after we've worked with them. I'll see you there are people who are making that distinction then they are they may have an online plan and suggestion.

Yeah, okay. But we want to have the agenda for the parks, maybe other words for them to a point of representative to do this.

I would suggest that we have Chris and Trevor and maybe AJ to be involved with it. And of course Tim. We will work with CREC and see if you do bring in some of your staff who were maybe more over time. But we're sort of involved with works and find out who we would recommend. If I could be. We will email, well, first of all, the works for our representative. Stand alone. And cerebral interests, environmental interests.

Not just all public comment.

So we can do a email list that we can create a list of people that we want. Then every time we have any information about the meetings, we can send this back list. And that way everyone's receiving the information being invited to these meetings.

Perfect. And then they can give public comment for the meeting.

We probably want to format the meeting more as a discussion with the entire, you know, not just doing public comment at the beginning, but after we discuss things, let people get some input.

I think Nancy is going to come in with a lot of ideas for history and ways to come up with options for you guys to choose from. So, are you guys going to take Barb and I together on a list of everyone you think you guys would want to have involved so that we can get, you know, addresses and we can just be that far at it? for when we start our meetings in August. Just want to pass you guys, make sure we have all interested parties covered.

So if we had anybody, not that I do, but if one of the other of us had something, we could just email it to you. Like, hey, thought about this person. Yeah.

Let's just start a list. So that way we wouldn't need you to get to that point with not studios or by people. We have our list ready. If you guys have anything, send it to me and then I'm I think we kind of know the same words that we've heard. I think we listed in our, you know, one of the more ambitious people that we would be interested in.

We do have a person in the audience that I think would be a perfect member of that. It's good to see you. Can I say a word? A word? I've never known you only to say a word. Come on up so that people can hear you.

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Great to see you, Dave. Good to see you guys.

Okay, we did with all of them. Yeah, I have a question. The only question that I have is about, you know, opening up for public conversation. Probably going to need to make sure there's time limits.

Oh, yeah.

And with a timer. I like the little thing. Everybody can have their own little, but I just wanted to ask if that was... Do you have a recommendation for how long they can talk? I would say no more than three minutes, but two would be good. I mean, it doesn't mean you can only say something once. It's just, it's getting the habit of saying what you need to say and not just going on. Three minutes doesn't give them enough time. Three minutes. Yeah. I'm fine with that.

I mean, to me, the most important thing is that we set the stage right so that people don't think, uh, I want to knock on her grandstand. Yeah, we're going to, uh, you know, certainly can listen to people, but I think we need to start with the principles that we all put on here, like what we work from the heart.

The budget that we're going through here. And we can get that information first.

The restored landscape, the trail, the interpretive trail, covered spaces, restrooms. I don't know, there was a list of like five things that seemed like we were all, you know, agreed on. And not start over again. recreation center or a pickleball court or whatever. Yeah.

Exactly. You should. Anybody else have anything to say on that?

I do want to go on to Mark. You can be one of the helpers, but just not there.

You have a big one.

Well, I watched a local, so I watched a local the other day on a YouTube video with their dog off-leash They were zoomed in so far it was pixelated, yelling at these tourists, your dog attacked my dog. And it was the local's dog that was off his leash going up to other people's dogs. And I think sometimes that going from the ocean, my dogs don't have recall. A lot of people's dogs don't have recall. And so I'm just going to remember saying anything about it again, but I am absolutely campaigning for having some kind of a place where dogs can go that's safe that you can throw a ball for them and not have them just leave. That's my one.

I've had my dog have boys in dog park. So in your dog park. Anyway, okay. So let's move on. Okay, so now I'm closing the work sessions and opening the special meeting again for item number nine.

or for design and construction there is a better. All right. I mean, I don't know.

It's the real best part. Yeah. Okay. There's certainly a word in the contract. Yeah. Do you want to do this? No. Are you ready? Yeah. Okay. Okay.

This staff developed when council approved an RFP for the selection of the perm. will be responsible for the cruise are part of the design and construction services. The selection review committee was a several that could be barbara later ginger color into the town says he that on the jet that or for selected for in person interviews or city interviews is to evaluate the presentation of both of those voters ability to work for city staff. And you have the information from all of it. And appropriate for a motion.

He was part of the motion one of the. Who were going to her and one of the sliver.

And then the first go around and her attorney has people are in the leaders have the same process.

Thank you. I move to approve the firm's authority to be most qualified by the selection committee for the New Coast Park and Park Island Design and Construction Services project. Second. Any further discussion? I want to say thank you to the committee for all their hard work and putting together that. It's been a long day.

Okay, you want to talk, please? Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.

Yeah, yes. I would approve the award to not studios or not see you for the news card for the 930 service providers.

Second, any further discussion. It will help each other. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Yes. Okay, thank you.

So now we're ready for .

Okay, two things. One, from public comment, that maybe there was, I don't know. I don't think it would be unreasonable for us to have that discussion with some I do think it is still relatively low in terms of what it would cost to park some of the parking. There are other different definitions of parking, just the rate of parking. The other comment I had, I sent a bill, a few stat numbers about it. that are for sale on the Civic. It's, I think at least one has 40 units in it or three units in it for $1.5 million right now. It was brought to me by some of the community. I just wanted to say in public, I know it's really short turnaround for the city. We'd rather get involved and do anything about ensuring that maybe it's long-term housing. As somebody said, it was seven units for one million, which is really not that much money for that many minutes. And what's that? I sent an email to Adam, and he said he'd look into it. I don't know what he would need for that number. But he's already on the market, but he's going to make it work out. Right now it's long term.

It's vacant, and it's been vacant for a few years.

It's been vacant for a while. I know somebody that did live in it as a long-term for a while, but the starting where this unit seems to be backwards for quite some time. I think it's still there. It's been vacant for 1.8. It's been vacant for, is that, or did we just confuse it? That's, and it's seven units. Well, we still want those. We still want those. Whatever it is, that's something we want. There's an emergency here.

The family that owns the property, he's older, and he's had some awful shoes. So unfortunately, I think the lease to locals program has worked. But it would be something that would be, we just have to figure out how to do ourselves. The kitchen, there's a joint kitchen in one of those units, which is kind of off. I think somebody would need to look at it. Probably need some renovating. I think there's 8 or 10 parking spaces behind it, so it has adequate parking already.

Yes, just below Walmart, if you're on Pacific, and you go all the way up, all the way in the left.

There's something hard with these.

That's why we have to get the short-term rental thing settled before, you know, before that. So there are some things that, oh, yeah, I know. So there are some things I think that we would need to talk about pretty quickly.

So why did you send me the job?

Um, it was, it was very good. I remember he said to me and he did some math and he was like, this is, it's only this much, this is even cheaper than the renovation cost at the local housing per unit. Like it's relatively, it's not in the affordability range, but it's much closer to that than other, other things that exist out there. But we're going to trust America.

That's Yeah, we're going to present from the attorney's office. I'll give my reference. I don't think it's just like us walking up and making an offer or something. So there's going to be a whole process with that. So we'll get that in the next meeting.

Oh, yeah. I assume it would be substantially more complicated than what would be typical because it's already on the market. I really just wanted to work great in a way. You see, we see that there's seven units that are currently for sale and want them to be long-term rentals for at least somebody living in the full time. That is one way or another.

Okay. That's all I have for you. Anybody else? I sent the input, the public comments about Elk had a conversation with One of the gentlemen that sent, he asked me to call him and I did. And I think that we just need to be really diligent about staying on top of this. I see homeowners coming together and possibly they do. So, you know, I mean, I see homeowners coming together and actually attempting to file a lawsuit against the city about the elk. So, um, and when you have one, you know, a few people that are upset about something and they, and they come together and things can happen. Um, so, and that's not something I don't think that we want. So I think as long as we stay diligent on that, um, yeah.

Is that, um, Orvis landing for us? It is.

I haven't heard in a long time. Excuse me.

And then do we have to wait 30 days after that? There was a lot of upheaval about, I mean, I don't know if you, I think you got an email as well, but the way it was written in the newsletter, you know, with quotes from the attorney, $6,450 fine, 364 days in jail. That just sent people on a downward spiral. People that let me know that have homes here. And I understand the way the information is put out, but just, I heard from several people that were not happy after that newsletter came out about the order. I understand why we're doing it. I'm saying.

Okay, yes, first. Yeah. Just had a chance to stop the rescue of the trailer schedule. And the trailers are actually supposed to leave the site. July 27. Yes, yeah. Yeah.

We'll be out. We'll be called. I want you to know that.

Okay. Yeah. Oh, that's just been sent to you.

Okay, I have one quick thing. I'd usually like to thank all of the volunteers that put together a successful 4th of July weekend, and I didn't do that last month, or last week, so I want to make sure that the number of people that volunteer in this community just during the 4th of July is amazing. And I want to make sure that everybody knows we appreciate all of their hard work. So thank you volunteers. Anything else?