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Good afternoon and welcome to the August 10th, 2026 workshop of the Orlando City Council. Thank you for being here today. We are going to be looking at mobility, safety and enforcement. And when a lot of the micro mobility stuff came into downtown, we were kind of flying by the seat of our pants back then. And today we have a lot of mobility options that have really grown in popularity over the last decade. Really the last year and he scooters and he bikes and electric skateboards and all types of micro mobility devices so our goal is to better understand our Opportunities our challenges and our policy options to keep everybody safe Especially with our kids going back to school in Orange County tomorrow and I think the surrounding communities started today, in fact. So staff has, for the last several months, been researching best practices, reviewing our peer cities, evaluating trends in safety and infrastructure, will update us on what the school district has done and what some of our surrounding counties are doing as well. So we will hear from our Transportation Director, Chrissy Martin, Police Chief Eric Smith, and Police Legal Advisor Michael Filto. Chrissy, you're first up.

Good morning, commissioners, Mayor Dyer. Good morning. Today we are having an important workshop that spans generations, but today it's gonna focus on our kids.

So let's see if I can get this.

All right. It matters for our students, for our families, for our friends, and for our community. Today, we will demonstrate how it is essential to bring a collaborative approach to safety, mobility, and enforcement, starting with our Transportation Department, which is me, moving on to our Public Safety very own Chief Smith, and then Michael Filteau will go over all the legal aspects. So, let's all make it safe. Collaboration is key, education is essential, Enforcement is necessary, and rules, they need to be simple. Let's talk numbers. E-bike injuries sent a record 59,200 riders to US emergency rooms in 2024. And in Florida, 234 bicycle deaths in those cyclists were in 2023, and they were the most of any state. closer to home more than half of orange county's 2025 micro mobility emergency room visits were riders that were 19 and younger nearly 12 000 ocps students use an e-bike or e-scooter to get to and from school and about 42 percent of ocps middle school students use an e-bike or e-scooter to get to school compared with 32 percent of high school students and 26 percent of elementary students And according to the US DOE, over one million e-bikes are sold annually in the US. And I can attest to that as my son had his only Christmas present was for an e-bike. Let's talk safety. Safety isn't someone else's responsibility, it's everyone's opportunity. Knowing the rules is the first step, following them in every ride is what saves lives. Proper helmet fit can reduce serious head injuries by up to 60% and fatalities by 73%. Hand signals help drivers and other road users predict your movements. So as you can see on the right of this is a Florida e-bike rules of the road. And I won't go through everything because it's really tiny and I have bad eyes. But these are just an example of many resources that are out there. This one's from the Florida Bicycle Association. FDOT puts them out as well as the city. So these are things that are very accessible online and resources that are handed out at every event. Here's the difference. Know the difference, electric bikes and more. We have hoverboards, segways, motorized scooters, class one e-bikes, class two e-bikes, class three e-bikes. And both Chief Smith and legal will go over more specifically what those e-bikes involve, the dangers of what types of them they're seeing on the street. But as you can tell, a lot of these start to look the same when you have this class one, class two, class three e-bike. So it's a little hard to differentiate sometimes between them. And the smarter the manufacturers get, they make them all look a lot alike so that they are hard to decide which ones are which. But we in transportation feel that speed changes everything. And that's speed that applies to both the driver and the cyclist. So drivers at 20 miles per hour, they have time to see, react to a bicyclist. A collision is much more survivable. At 30 miles per hour, drivers have less time to brake. The risk of a fatal crash for a person outside of a vehicle increases. And FHWA research estimates that fatality risk rises from about 5% at 20 to 45% at 30 miles per hour. So it's a big difference. And at 40 miles per hour, the crash forces are exponentially greater. and the chance of fatal impact climbs to 85%. So that is really, those are hard numbers about the speed. And within cyclists, at 10 to 12 miles per hour, that's usually how they're traveling, at nine miles per hour on the sidewalks, and they have more time to react, right? So react to the pedestrians, the driveways, turning vehicles, and other objects that are in their path. At 20 miles per hour, though, these are the class one and two e-bikes, and that doubles your speed, which means less reaction time and a much longer stopping distance. A bicyclist traveling 20 miles per hour may need to approximately stop 127 feet, which our kids probably aren't calculating while they're driving them, and wet pavement to perceive or react actually inhibits that even more. at 40 miles per hour at nearly 30 miles riders are driving at neighborhood traffic speeds but higher speeds reduce your ability to avoid unexpected hazards like turning vehicles opening car doors pedestrians or uneven pavement so we really believe that speed is essential moving on to our rules and tools Driver responsibility. Drivers, you're a part of this. Be on the lookout for cyclists. Yield to people walking and biking. Before turning or crossing a bike lane, check for pedestrians and bicyclists. Yield the right of way and only proceed when it's safe. Sounds very, very, normal to think these things but you know when you're driving sometimes that's not the first top of mind and it needs to be. Expect e-riders to be faster than they look. Check bike lanes, blind spots, and your right side before turning because you're not going to be able to tell at what speed an e-bike is going as you're in a car. You're not going to know if it's a class one, two, or three. Slow down near schools, parks, and trail crossings. All right, here's the cyclist's responsibility. Make sure that the drivers can see you. Wear a helmet, use lights and reflectors at night, signal your turns, and make eye contact with drivers whenever possible. Share your path, follow the rules, and slow down, again, near schools, parks, and trail crossings. Parent responsibility, and I know this firsthand. Teach the rules, review hand signals, visibility yielding, and riding with traffic before you allow your child to ride independently. Make helmets non-negotiable. Ensure your child wears the appropriate helmet for their e-device and that it fits properly. There is a way to fit it properly, no exceptions. Choose the right side, select a device that matches your child's age, size. the uh the slides weren't keeping up sorry about that i keep talking and i didn't press the button choose the right side select a device that matches your child's age size experience and skill level and then set family expectations i wish i had known that this was on when my kids started to ride but it's a five minute talk script and a family engaging ride agreement you just get right on and print it up and it's actually a visual way that the kids can actually make that agreement with you and there's ways that parents can talk to them it gives you little pointers on it as well so i think that's a really useful way for a parent to kind of guide their child in the right way let's talk engagement collaboration and action equals success and this picture depicts obviously what we started on corinne drive We have today with us Laura Bach from Metro Plan Orlando. And they have devised a entire e-bike pro course from the American Bicycling Association. And Orange County, at the end of last year, came onto it to do a pilot. And Luminary Middle School had 268 students start this pilot with them. It was mandatory in their social studies classes. And they went through and took the entire education class. My understanding from both what Metro Plan said and Laura has informed us that it was a huge success. They also did it in Osceola counties and Seminole counties. So this is something that they have advocated to build upon and have within the schools, within, you know, each school can devise what kind of program they want to have in their school, but Luminary is an excellent example of how they were proactive about educating students and making it a mandatory requirement. And we would be remiss if we didn't show you all what the city has been doing successfully with e-mobility and with safety, with the city action. So we're turning Vision Zero into action, one project at a time. I love this picture of our dream team that's here today. fitting helmets we just recently about two weeks ago had a fitting helmet education so that anyone from the city or any volunteers wanted to learn how to properly fit a helmet we send them out to all the events within the districts so that they can kind of distribute those And this is our Vision Zero program. The Orlando Vision Zero mission is to have zero traffic deaths and serious injuries by 2040. And we are well on our way. So not to go through all of the specifics on this graph, but basically it's our projects that we have been doing back since 2017 when you all gave us the mission to to accomplish Vision Zero for our city. So just on the side, I'm super proud of this. We have our bike bays so that pedestrians and bicyclists can kind of very smoothly interact with a bus while they're cycling or even getting onto the bus. And then also our bike path that we have created.

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you look at the vision zero Orlando progress I would focus on much of it obviously but mainly on the yellow bars on it so it shows that decrease that we've had if you imagine a bus full of 60 people approximately that's what the city of Orlando has saved we have reduced 40% of our serious injuries and fatalities we were number one in dangerous by design back way back when and we are now at 25 there's obviously room for growth and movement on that but we are making very very significant strides and it's all technically based information that we can back up More of what our city has done and what we will continue to do is we've held district safety meetings, OPD chief community meetings, we're silver level on the bicycle friendly community list, bike and micro mobility parking studies have gone out, Vision Zero plan update is currently being done, and quick builds. Helmet fittings including forward and cross as our Vision Zero moves forward. We have gotten federal money to do this. We've expanded our bike facilities, events, giveaways. But what I'd like to tell you is that along with this very long list, we have fitted and distributed more than 2,500 bicycle helmets in the last five years. 1,200 bicycle bells, 1,400 bike lights. We've hosted and partnered helmet fittings. We've had 75 rider safety trainings and community outreach events. And the list can go on. We're continuing to work with Best Foot Forward and other community organizations to try and get the word out. Wear your helmet, go slow, look at the basic safety manuals, and parents and drivers need to get involved. And that is all transportation has right now. We can probably take questions towards the end, but Chief Smith, would you like to take over?

Good morning. Good morning, Chief. I'd like to share what e-mobility looks like from the Orlando Police Department's perspective and discuss operational challenges our officers encounter every day. This video you're about to watch demonstrates the types of encounters our officers are responding to throughout Orlando. This situation occurred on Saturday, July 18th, around 4 PM, when hundreds of e-mobility riders stormed the streets of Orlando, obstructing traffic, blocking ambulances, and disobeying traffic laws. While every situation is different, they highlight the behavior and enforcement challenges that have become increasingly common. Before discussing enforcement, it's important to understand the differences between legal e-bikes and electric motorcycles. While they often appear similar, Florida law classifies them differently. A legal e-bike is treated as a bicycle, while an electric motorcycle is subject to motorcycle requirements. Many of the vehicles our officers encounter don't meet a legal definition of an e-bike, creating challenges for both riders and enforcement. Although the legal definitions are relatively straightforward, applying them in the field often is not. Officers routinely encounter modified vehicles, juvenile riders, and parents who are unaware of the legal distinctions. Many of these encounters begin as educational contacts, but some escalate when riders refuse to stop or they flee. Since January 1st, officers have had 813 interactions with e-mobility devices. While many of these interactions are traffic stops, others involve more serious incidents, including 46 accidents with injuries, 21 crashes without injuries, 17 incidents involving battery, 14 involving a drug violation, 10 hit and runs involving injuries, 12 hit and runs involving a minor, 33 incidents involving reckless vehicles, and 112 incidents involving theft. The next two slides will show you situations involving e-bikes being run off the road by drivers and e-bike riders getting into accidents and blocking traffic. The two pictures on the left are from an incident where juvenile operating scooters caused thousands of dollars in damage to a golf course. The picture on the right is from an incident involving 13 e-mobility riders who were found trespassing in a closed parking garage. The video you are about to watch demonstrates how e-mobility devices have been used during the commission of a crime, highlighting the public safety challenges officers face. The next video shows the real chaos that is happening on the streets with e-mobility riders and drivers. Our objective isn't simple enforcement. It's improving safety through education, community outreach, and targeted enforcement when necessary. The Orlando Police Department will continue working with our community schools and city partners to educate riders, address unsafe behavior, and improve public safety. And now I'll bring up our legal advisor, Bill Taub.

Mr. Mayor, commissioners, so In considering what kinds of local ordinances we may wish to enact, it's important to keep in mind that there are state and federal law statutes which preempt certain actions by the city. We are preempted from imposing any kind of criminal penalties for any local micromobility device ordinances we may enact. so we're pretty much limited to traffic citation kinds of penalties code citation monetary penalties we are also federally preempted from treating e-bikes as if they were motor vehicles i myself have seen opinion columns in local papers arguing that they should be treated as motor vehicles. That isn't a legal option for us. It's also important to note that in general, cities cannot regulate how e-bikes or motor scooters are operated on private property unless we're talking about private property that is open to the general public for use as essentially like a street. We could impose it in a private parking lot that's open to the general public for vehicular traffic, but we could not regulate the operation on purely private property that's not open like that. What are we permitted to regulate? Florida statutes do impose, do provide that operators of e-bikes and e-scooters, generally speaking, are going to have the same rights and duties as riders of bicycles. The state default under the statutes is that e-bikes can be operated anywhere where a regular bicycle is allowed. Cities are also permitted to regulate whether or not e-bikes and scooters are permitted to be operated on sidewalks at all. Cities are also explicitly permitted to establish minimum age requirements to operate e-bikes and motor scooters. And they can also explicitly require, under the statutes, operators to carry photo ID while operating e-bikes. Cities are also permitted to regulate the operation of vehicles, mopeds, e-bikes, and scooters on our sidewalks in general. However, the statutes do require that if we, by ordinance, allow some or all vehicles, or in this case e-bikes or e-mobility devices, on city sidewalks, any ordinance that does so is required to impose a speed limit of 15 miles per hour. Statutes also explicitly allow cities to enact ordinances on regulations that relate to the safe operation of bicycles and e-bikes on city streets. So that would be prohibitions on things like stunt riding, wheelies, things like that. Currently, under the state of city ordinance and state statute, most enforcement with respect to e-bikes fall under state statute 316.2065, which is the general statute covering operation of bicycles in Florida, most violations of that statute are punishable as traffic infractions, which are usually a $15 basically traffic ticket. We also have chapter 10 of city code which covers bicycles, scooters, and micro mobility devices. However, the current code is mainly aimed at regulating the rental companies. So it has requirements that require the rental company to install a governor on their e-mobility devices that they rent out that preclude it from going above 10 miles per hour. And then there's also a provision of city code that prohibits riding bicycles and scooters on sidewalks if there are signs clearly posted that prohibit it. As far as the county's ordinance goes, currently the class three e-bikes, which are e-bikes that are pedal assisted and operate at up to 28 miles per hour, are not allowed on shared pathways or county trails. They are required to yield to pedestrians on sidewalks and in crosswalks and give audible signal to pedestrians before passing, which is also a requirement in state statute for operation of general bicycles. There's also a provision that prohibits the devices from being parked in a way that blocks sidewalks. In fact, city code currently has a similar provision. We also did a survey of what other counties and municipalities have done recently as far as passing e-bike ordinances. Keep in mind, right now, many, many municipalities throughout the state are currently considering what kinds of e-bike ordinances they wish to impose. Those that have currently, that have already passed, the most common restrictions are sidewalk prohibitions. Frequently, one of those prohibitions will be prohibiting e-bikes in particular areas of their jurisdiction. For example, prohibiting all e-bikes on sidewalks in downtown areas. Likewise, prohibiting class three e-bikes on sidewalks throughout their jurisdictions. 15 mile an hour speed limits where they are permitted on sidewalks are extremely common. It's also fairly common amongst these jurisdictions to prohibit people under 16 from operating Class III e-bikes, and they also frequently require people to carry photo ID while operating e-bikes. My recommendation should we impose new ordinances would be to avoid regulations that would be difficult for law enforcement to enforce. So trying to regulate the different classes of e-bikes and impose different rules on them would present enforcement difficulties because as transportation pointed out, those classes of e-bikes all look largely kind of similar at a distance. So that would be very difficult for police to differentiate and stop where appropriate. on similar veins in terms of e-bike advertising and sellers and manufacturers. It's not entirely clear to many parents who purchase e-bikes for their children exactly what class of e-bike they're actually purchasing for their children. So that can present issues with, willful or non-willful compliance with the statute where people may be violating rules like that without even realizing it. Age restrictions can have similar difficulties. An age restriction would be great if everybody had to wear a sign saying how old they were but, The truth is an officer at a distance is not going to reliably be able to determine whether someone is 17 or 15. So age restrictions are also something I would recommend against. In general, the recommendations I would make for ordinances would be that anything we do impose should be both easy for members of the public to obey and understand and easy for officers to enforce and know whether they're being violated at a glance. Simple sidewalk bands for all e-bikes if what we want are sidewalks that are usable only by pedestrians. A simple sidewalk band for e-bikes, very easy to enforce and understand. Any place we want multi-use paths where e-bikes would be allowed. 15 mile an hour speed limit is another one that is required by the statute anyway and is aimed directly at The public safety issue of the devices operating very fast and causing greater danger to the people when they get in crashes. Keep in mind that any speed limits we impose would probably require us to revisit some of the ordinances relating to the rental companies, since currently they're required to have that 10 mile an hour governor, and if they're forced to operate in you know, the side of the street instead of a multiuse path or sidewalk, it may be prudent to relax some of that governor a bit so that they're not as slow in places where they're sharing with motor vehicles. uh requirements that people uh wear helmets uh in accord with state statute is is another uh easily enforceable one um general requirements that they obey uh the general rules of the road and bans on uh stunt riding and other uh negligent or reckless operation would also be A FAIRLY SIMPLE RESTRICTION TO ENFORCE AND WOULD BE AIMED DIRECTLY AT UNSAFE CONDUCT. SO THAT IS EVERYTHING FROM ME. I'M HAPPY TO TAKE ANY QUESTIONS.

OKAY. THOUGHTS OR QUESTIONS? COMMISSIONER ROSE AND COMMISSIONER SHEEN AND THEN COMMISSIONER KEEN.

THANK YOU ALL FOR THE PRESENTATION. SO THIS IS AN OPD QUESTION. This presentation was focused a lot on e-bikes and rules. What are we doing as a city to enforce proper drivers and enforcing drivers who are not given the right of way to bikes? So one of the videos you show a lady with the kid was in a bike lane where he should have been and he got hit by like the car ran him over. Like what are we doing as a city to ensure that our bikers are safe? Because if we're looking at implementing, especially our younger kids, so thinking about the community that I live in where our kids are biking to school because their parents are not, you know, the parents have to go off to work. So a kid has to go bike ride to school. I mean, the tragic accident that we have we had in Lake Nona where kids are like actually using mobility devices to get to school faster rather than the traditional biking. What are we doing to ensure that cars are doing the right thing to to respect our bikers?

So we do enforce that. We enforce the car rules, especially when it comes to bikes, because as you mentioned, bikes have been around forever. You know, they've been riding all over all the neighborhoods we have, especially Lake Nona, Baldwin Park, College Park, they're all over the place. And as you imagine, there's a very small little lane for them as they go through. So we enforce those. Now the video that we showed, That person had been surrounded before by the bikes. There was a whole lot that happened before that, which was something that was caught on camera. So there was a lot more that happened before that video, which wide escalated to the point where it did. I will say this. Most of the incidents that we're having, mostly the e-bikes are found to be at fault. And a lot of it is because juveniles. They're like, okay, my house is over there. I'm riding up this way on the street. I'm going to go over there right now and cross a four-lane road. And that's where a lot of these accidents happen because they're not going to the intersection. They're not going to wait and go to the intersection where there's a crosswalk. They're not waiting at the crosswalk like a regular bikes do. They're doing a lot of things which puts them in harm's way. And those are a lot of the accidents we're running to. As you saw, there are a lot of accidents that we've gone to. And most of those accidents, the person on the e-bike was found to be at fault. And most of the time, it's juveniles because they just don't think about, oh, I need to check the traffic. I need to go to the red light where there's a crossing light, wait for the light, cross over, and go the other way and get back to my house. They just look and they just go, boom, and shoot right across. And that's where a lot of these are happening. But we do enforce it. There's times when we've issued tickets to drivers, you know, not giving it right away. And as you can imagine, with texting and driving, all the things that distracts the vehicles now, you see people, if you watch them in front of you, they'll start to weave into the bike lane. You know, they're moving back and forth a lot. And we do do traffic stops for that. We do write a lot of tickets for those kind of things. Because the bike lane is there for a reason. And people have to respect the bike lane. So I think some of the things we're doing, we're very proactive.

Okay, to touch on something that was mentioned, I think we need to start evaluating at our larger intersections the lights. So I'm going to speak as a parent whose child gets stuck on OBT because it is a four-lane road to cross. The lights are not long enough to cross. So a kid will take the chance of running, like, let me dart across here while I have the opportunity and there are no cars, then running the risk and sending out a light. Those lights usually only allow you to go halfway across and then you get stuck in the middle. some of those the the medians are not large enough to sit and put a bike so if me and three friends are bike riding we get stuck in the middle so that's something that we need to start looking especially on our paths to school so i brought it up during um my briefing with transportation so we built a brand new 300 apartment unit apartment complex 52 at Park on John Young and Colonial. And those 300 kids have to cross John Young and Colonial to get to Rock Lake Elementary. So we've got to do better at looking at collectively how do we make sure kids, because what happens is if I know that the lights aren't working, I'm just going to go across whenever I see safest and whenever I see like the quickest I can go. Kids' instinct is safety. How do I get there the quickest and the safest way? Okay, there's no cars coming. I'm gonna go right now. And if I know that I'm gonna get stuck at this light, let me just cross where I can. So I think we've got to collectively, especially going through the school year with OCPS changing some of their rules, we need to look at our lights at some of our major intersections that are involving our schools. And then I think the last question I have is how do we, so some of the bike rides throughout the community, especially in the downtown College Park, Paramore area, Some of them tend to be safer. Some of them tend to be like groups coming together. Let's do this bike. I know several of my colleagues have participated in past. How do we create opportunities for safe biking events in our community and safe cycling clubs?

So we actually do have a lot of those. And if you if you watch and you've seen a lot of those, they meet up, they do start downtown and some of them come as far as Osceola County coming through the city of Orlando. They go downtown. there are a number of those where they stop at every light they don't break the lights they don't do all those kind of things there's a lot of organized groups out there but as you can see there's some that that don't they just aren't going to wait for lights they're going to block ambulances they're going to do whatever it takes to get wherever they want they're going to take over roadways those are the ones we deal with and we sort of monitor and plan with and we have sent cease and desist letters to some of those which has been actually pretty successful. So you've seen a lot less, where you see Tampa probably has a lot more than we do, Miami has more than we do, because I think the cease and desist letters, and that's actually where we got it from, was Tampa, we started sending out the letters, and it's actually very effective. But there are a number of, just like there's running clubs, there's a number of bike clubs out there where they follow things, they follow all the rules. They come to a light, they stop, they wait, and they go through the light. And as you can see in all neighborhoods, even with regular bicycles, plus e-bikes, there's all these different sorts of associations out there which do a great job. And as you can see, We don't really monitor them. We don't really get calls on them. All of our stuff is community-driven. So if people call and complain, and they're like, hey, there's 100 e-bikes going down Orchard Avenue, blocking every intersection, we can't get through. Or like, you know, OFD calls and says, hey, they're blocking the intersection. We got ambulances trying to get to RMC. We can't get through. Then, of course, we respond and we react.

Thank you.

Hey, Chief, while you're there, can you describe what dismissal of school time looks like these days?

So dismissal school time is going to be very interesting starting tomorrow because I know the Orange County School Board changed what they're doing, but I know they don't start enforcement until like the first week of September, so they're just hitting it lightly when school starts. So we'll have to see how that goes, but usually how it looks is you see hundreds of e-bikes going in every direction, blocking traffic. That's where we get most of our complaints, and it's mostly from high schools and middle schools because when school lets out, hundreds of kids get on e-mobility devices, and they roll out in every direction. They're not concerned where cars are. They just stop traffic. Most people Unfortunately, drivers are trained basically to stop and sit there and wait and get blocked out by hundreds of kids. But they're going in every direction. And it's become a big mess for us. I mean, we can send four cops out there. We stop four people. Okay, 96 people are doing whatever they want, riding across the intersection, doing all this kind of stuff, jerking in front of cars. You know, I live next to a high school, and I don't go anywhere near that when a high school lets out. it's just got to be one of those things which is just a mess and you know the school board did take steps to to change that and fix that so we're interested to see how that's going to look as we move forward uh commissioner sheehan and commissioner keene commissioner

uh thank you mayor and commissioners um you know i i walk four to six miles every day and i have an e-bike and we do our rides on on the weekends but i only have an e-bike because i'm old and i can't keep up anymore so i'm not riding crazy but something that i have noticed Motorized bikes have been around forever. They were the precursor to motorcycles. So the problem is the behavior. It's not the technology because, like I say, they had motorized bicycles before they even had motorcycles and it created that technology. So the problem is the way that they're using them. Something that I've been concerned of as a pedestrian on the urban trail, which I walk every single day, is that these segways and hoverboards, they're being considered e-mobility devices, but they're more like skateboards, and it's really hard, a lot of times these guys are falling off them, they're going all over the place, and they're creating safety issues for pedestrians and bicyclists. So I think we need to look at these Segways and hoverboards as skateboards, not as e-mobility devices, because they are different, and there's no way for them to give an audible an audible warning, they could yell at you or something like that, which would even be more disconcerting as they're whipping around you. But they go really fast. I've noticed they go even faster than some of the bikes do. So I think we need to look at that as an issue because I think they can do a lot more damage to someone. I'm always jump. I just jump off the trail whenever I see them coming because I'm like, I don't want them taking out my knees. You know, I mean, so it's just very, very dangerous with these hoverboards. That's another issue. I have noticed, however, on the urban trail that since we've been doing the enforcement at the intersections, the behavior has been a lot better, even with the bicyclists. So I appreciate that, and I think Best Foot Forward is doing a good job educating the motorists as well as the cyclists. We mentioned the e-mobility crashes. Chief, there was 46 with injuries. Did you say 12 were hit and runs? Yes. So that was someone who hit a pedestrian and took off?

So that was the e-bike usually was hit by a car and then the e-bike gets up and takes off or the car takes off.

Well, the e-bike takes off. Wow, okay. Are we tracking how many times the e-mobility people are hitting pedestrians in a separate category?

Yes.

Do you have that information?

I can get it to you.

Okay, I'd like to have that because I think that's a real concern is that, you know, And as I'm riding on the weekends and as I'm walking, I'd like to know how many, I see a lot of dangerous behavior and like I say, I just jump off the trail or do whatever I have to do or even I'm walking my little dog. Unfortunately, she's taken to barking at the bikes now, so it makes it worse because she's interacting with them and getting upset. And I'm just walking my little dog on a sidewalk in my own neighborhood, and I'm dealing with this kind of behavior. So I know that other residents are dealing with it as well. And if you're trying to walk your dog, it's hard to control your dog if they're getting upset when someone's coming at you. It's a dog's natural reaction to be protective of you. And they just don't care. I mean, they're on the sidewalk. They're going to do whatever they want to do. And I think we do need to deal with the sidewalk, e-bike, We need to deal with that because that is a huge problem. And like I say, it's not the seniors that are using the pedal assist. Some of the seniors in my district have expressed concern because they want to use an e-bike to be able to be mobile. But they don't want to be precluded from using trails because of these rotten kids who can't behave themselves. And we ride a lot in Baldwin Park on the weekends, Commissioner. And there's a lot of people. It's wonderful using the Baldwin Park Trail, and there are a lot of pedestrians, a lot of families, and everything like that. And you get these pack of five kids on these motorcycles, and they're weaving in and out and scaring the heck out of everyone. I'm surprised you haven't got, I don't know if you've got any complaints commissioner, but I noticed that and I'm petrified. There's folks walking their kids, there's babies in strollers, and these kids just don't care. They're in packs and once they get in that pack mentality, it seems like they're just out for trouble. And they aren't signaling, they're weaving in and out. It's like they're enjoying, it's like they're doing some kind of an obstacle course with everyone else's safety. And that's not what we built the trails for. The trails are supposed to be for everyone and they're just not behaving themselves. So I would like to see instead of this audible warning, I would like to see a requirement for some kind of a horn or bell or something because they're not letting anybody know they're coming. And they're probably not going to use it even if we require a bell, but I would at least like to have some audible warning to people that they're coming. And I think we at least need to require that on the e-bikes.

So we do get a lot of complaints.

We do require that on cars, exactly. We require horns on cars.

So we do get a lot of complaints from pedestrians. The problem with those complaints are, think about it, You're calling and saying, hey, a kid just ran me off the trail or off the sidewalk. By the time we come, he's long gone, and we're getting there and we're meeting with you, but we're like, okay, describe him. And by that time, he's back home or wherever he came from, and we really have nothing to go on.

Well, and I think part of that, too, might be, and I know that our folks are doing a good job with education, but we might need to post some of these rules of the road on our trails. and maybe not as many because it was a lot to read all at one time, but the basics like yield to pedestrians, use an audible signal, and things like that to at least try to make it somewhat safer. But I agree, Chief. The problem isn't the old folks using pedal assist. The problem isn't the kids trying to get to school, except for the mass exit situation. I think we can deal with that with education. But it's this behavior of PAC mentality, sorry, Preview Peasant Boys that just want to terrorize everyone. And I don't know how we can deal with that because it's become a problem with our organized rides, it's become a problem with all of this stuff, these kids that just don't want to follow the rules. And if we implement war rules, they're not going to be the ones that follow them. So I don't know the best way, but I'm kind of leaning towards some kind of a sidewalk ban, even though I ride on the sidewalks when it's not safe. We don't have a lot of trails. Sometimes you have to ride on the sidewalk in order to get to a trail safely, but I'd rather have a ban on sidewalks to at least provide some level of safety for pedestrians. Um, and that's all I have, but that's just some of the behavior that I have seen. But I think, you know, I think we need to look at the, um, the, the step, those one wheel scooter things, hoverboards. I don't think those are really micro, there's no way to break them. You know, I think we need to look at them as a separate category and then look at ways that we can enforce. And, um, I do think that we, I don't know if we can do something with the, uh, with the horsepower, but I do think the more the more powerful bikes are the problem, because those are the ones that the people who misbehave tend to gravitate towards. And I mean, even with my pedal assist, we tried, we were riding one day and tried to see how fast I could go with my pedal assist. It wasn't fast. My bicycle friend blew me away. So I think it's just a matter of how fast they can go and all that. And maybe there's a requirement that they have to, maybe we work with state government, is there has to be a requirement if it's over a certain number, like I have a scooter, okay? My scooter does not go above the five-brake horsepower or whatever required for me to have a motorcycle certificate, okay? They seem to be able to regulate that. So why can't we figure out with this? But if I was to get a more powerful, I have a Vespa. If I was to get the one that goes over 45 miles per hour, then I have to have a motorcycle certificate and all that. So maybe there is a way by following how they regulate scooters at the state level, maybe we can apply that to some of these e-bikes. And that's all I had, Mayor. Thank you.

Thank you, Commissioner. Commissioner Keene.

Where do I start, sir? Thank you, Mayor. I've got probably an hour and a half worth of questions, so I'm going to try to limit it here to a few things. First, Mike, I've got a question for you. I know Orange County is looking at a new ordinance, and I would want to make sure that whatever ordinance that we come up with, it mirrors that so that we don't end up with a patchwork of ordinances across the county. And I'm just I want to make sure, I noticed in your presentation you talked about the current, but you didn't talk about their new ordinances coming up. Have you had an opportunity to look at that?

So I have had the chance to view some of their drafts. At this stage, I'm not sure what they're going to do on it, which is why I didn't specifically address it.

Sure. But I do think consistency is extremely important. Whatever they do, as long as we agree with it, that we mirror it and we don't end up with different things. So, for example, I don't know whether they're going to require photo IDs while operating. What kind of photo ID is an 8-year-old going to have? I mean, I look at that, and your comment up front was do something that's enforceable, and yet then you come up with a photo ID, and it's kind of like, okay, is that really...

So I don't know that I would recommend imposing a photo ID requirement. That's one of the things per statute that cities are expressly allowed to do. Most of the jurisdictions whose ordinance I reviewed that did the photo ID, coupled it with a age restriction to 16 years of age or older. So those two restrictions would seem to work in concert with one another to help during a stop determine whether or not the person is actually of age to be operating the bike.

And then that age restriction was another question I had. You mentioned that we have to comply with state law, and state law doesn't have an age restriction. Are you saying that because they don't have it in law, we could actually impose an age restriction separate?

So the state statutes on both, Particular e-bikes and motor scooters have explicit provisions that authorize local counties and cities to impose one or more age restrictions, though the state statutes themselves do not. So essentially, it leaves it to the local governments to decide whether to impose those restrictions.

OK. And you have a recommendation for an age?

If we were to impose an age, my recommendation would be, in truth I would recommend against an age restriction because of the enforcement difficulties, but if we were going to do one, I think something like 12, 13 would be easier to enforce than 16.

be able for an officer to look and say that's a 10-year-old or 12-year-old. Correct.

Much easier to make a judgment that someone is very young than when we're dealing with older teenagers. But I wouldn't recommend an age restriction at all due to the enforcement difficulties. Sure.

And I noticed in here, again, I realize it's not your recommendation, but you talk about sidewalks and things like that. My concern about sidewalks is that There are a lot of streets that it's really not safe regardless of whether there's a bike lane there or not. And I'm gonna use Narcoossee as an example. There is a bike lane, but cars travel 45 and obviously they're gonna go faster. I wouldn't want my, I won't want to ride on it unless that was with a group. I certainly wouldn't want a child to be out there on that road, I want them to be on the sidewalk. And I would say a lot of the times that's the same in any of the districts that we have. We all have very busy roads. So again, going back to how do we enforce this street is not legal to ride on the sidewalk, but that street is. And so again, we're getting back to that same problem that you're You know, how do we enforce a law where people may not even know? I guess we could put on some of our trails, we could say, and I think Orange County was saying on some of their trails, they're saying no e-bikes, et cetera, but on a regular sidewalk, it gets really tough. And then my last comment is, you're talking here about, to you, you're talking about the specifics of e-bikes, but you didn't talk e-scooters being banned, right? Is that accurate, or are you saying any micro, e-micromobility device?

I would recommend treating e-scooters and e-bikes very similarly. The statutes have essentially identical provisions in them as far as what local governments are allowed to do. They have similar speed capabilities. Sure. Ultimately, in my personal opinion, the great danger is how they're operated and the speed that they can go at um so if we're going to allow any kind of e micro mobility device on on particular trails i think just like the statute requires we impose the the speed limit requirement um and that would be across the board i would recommend across the board to any vehicle that we allow on shared right paths and trails

All right, thank you very much for that. And I would just say, Chief Smith showed some videos here that look like they were taken right in my neighborhood, no question that they were. But a lot of those videos, those were not e-bikes, those were e-motos that were in a lot of those videos. And I'd caution us to make sure that a lot of those Commissioner Sheehan, would you call them a group, you call them a pack? Yeah. A lot of those, and they are mostly boys, there's no question, but a lot of those folks are not on e-bikes, they're on e-motos, right? So there's another caution there that we are lumping these two groups together, and one is not the same. They're not street legal, they're not legal to be on sidewalks, they're only legal for private property, and we need to make sure that we're enforcing those laws to make sure that we're you know, making that an accurate distinction between those two. And then my final comment would be, talking to my friends at Nemours Children's Hospital, the most important thing that we could do tomorrow, the most important thing would be to enforce the helmet law. If we enforce that, if the kids and the adults wore their helmets, we would be in much better space than we are today. I think that's the critical piece. I don't know how we're going to be able to make that enforcement stick. I went out a couple times at... Mayor was talking about at the end of school and how the kids go crazy and come out. I wanted to see for myself. I know that over half of the kids coming out of the school, as they walked them off and then rode them off, did not have their helmets on. So we've got to have collaboration with the schools as well. and with the county and with our opd to make sure that those kids and with parents etc that they're wearing those helmets when they when they leave school or when they're out just any time of the day i don't know how we enforce that chief i don't know what the what the mechanism would be because again you guys are writing you know there's a thousand of these kids and there's only a few officers that are patrolling but how do we enforce that that helmet law

So that's one of the harder ones. I know it's a $62.50 ticket, but most of our officers are out there and they do education. Because if you watch kids leave schools, they basically, you watch them leave school, a lot of what they do is they put it on the handlebar and they ride away. They have helmets, but if you watch 90% of them, they put them on a handlebar and they walk right away because it's, I guess, not cool. So our officers have been doing a lot of education. They'll stop you and say, hey, you need to put your helmet on. And I imagine they put the helmet on, and I imagine when the cop goes, they take the helmet back off. I mean, because in their mind, it's just not cool. But I mean, it does cut down on injuries, like we all know from regular bicycles, from e-bikes, from motorcycles. Helmets are very important. It is in state. It is a one of our the traffic laws that we enforce so I mean anybody under 16 is had does have to wear a helmet. So we do enforce that one, but it's one of the harder ones of force. Do you really want to writing a 12 year-old hard work, but it's the most important. So I will say writing a $62 ticket to a 12 year-old is not higher list things to do, but I will say a lot of it is educational. I will say we do get to that point when you see the person again the officers like I told you yesterday.

know put your helmet on and you're still you ignored me so here's a 62 50 ticket so it's one of those kind of things we do but of course our goal like anything else is education first sure mayor i could keep going but i'll stop thank you okay commissioner chapin um i appreciated the idea of the social studies classes in public schools i would just uh think about uh expanding that to some of our private schools and charter schools i know that's not our job but whoever is you know maybe can suggest that especially the larger private schools how are we going to get pulled into the orange county public school ban if you will right this is going to happen over the next several weeks and of course we're going to get calls from kids and from schools inside of the city that the kids are still doing it why aren't we enforcing it how are we going to get pulled into that in terms of enforcement

So those are school policies. We can't enforce school policies. We can only enforce Florida statutes. So we're city ordinances. So we can't enforce that. The school will have their own mechanism for dealing with that, I'm sure. When I was at the press conference last week for the kickoff for Orange County, their big thing was if somebody kept doing it, they would not allow them to ride them to school anymore. So they have things in place, but I think their enforcement, as they said in the meeting, was like starting September 5th or something like that. now is sort of a time we're going to remind people that you can't do this you can't do that and then they'll start enforcement operations on that day.

And then as it comes to speed again we get that practicality and we do really going to radar kid going 18 miles an hour if we implement a 15 mile an hour means that we're talking about.

That's very hard for us to do as you imagine our radars and lasers aren't usually geared for that kind of thing. And there are radars and lasers are very limited to certain units that have those. They go on I-4 and do traffic enforcement. They go on Cimarron and do traffic enforcement. So we're not really in a position to do that right now. I mean, I could start doing research on it because I'm sure since it's a slower device, there are probably different lasers and radars that work for those kind of things. But just looking at something, it's hard to tell if something's going 18 miles per hour, 13 miles per hour, 20 miles per hour. It would be very hard for an officer to say, now if the thing just blows away and it's going 60, that's very obvious, you know, that somebody jailbroke the thing and made it go faster than it's supposed to. Or it's basically a dirt bike, which we're seeing a lot of. And a lot of the like to commissioner keys point a lot of the e-bikes companies now are making look like the moto because that's the cool thing for the kids to have so they make them look alike so it's hard for us to tell the difference sometimes which ones which.

Chrissy can you tell us what Orange County public schools did.

So they said that if you did not have a license, and I'm looking to my team here, but if you did not have a license, that you were not allowed to have the e-bike on campus and use that. And then I would show you just the recommendations for the ordinance.

So that means you have to be at least 15 to get a restrict, I assume that covers restricted licenses as well. Restricted licenses. So you gotta be 15 and have a license.

15 or older, yes. So there's that. And I would go back to the recommendations for the ordinance that staff would put in front of you right now. The helmet, Commissioner Keene, you're right on about that enforcement. I would love to see a ban on having everyone wear a helmet, didn't matter what age, because it's going to help everyone. But these are the required, the last three on this list, Mayor, are already in law. So, you know, those are very, you know, very regular things that you could put within an ordinance that, you know, require helmets for riders and passengers 16 and under 16, require operators of all micro mobility devices to yield to pedestrians, and then the no wheelies and all that, that's already in, you know, to be enforced. But the sidewalk, implement sidewalk ban for all e-bikes, it's tough. We have it at Lake Eola. We put signage there, and that's something to consider too.

Okay, I'm going to take Commissioner Ortiz and then come back to Rose and Sheehan.

Thank you, Mayor. Thank you, all of you, for this great presentation. It's something that's been really hitting us hard lately, and the city of Orlando gets accused for not doing enough, but how can you control some of the things when we're preempted by the state, right? So let me ask you something. How many, before this e-bike, Christine, Christina? I'M SORRY. HOW MANY BICYCLE INCIDENTS DID WE HAVE BEFORE, I MEAN, WHEN WE COMPARE BEFORE THIS E-BIKES CAME OUT AND E-SCOOTERS, WHAT WAS THE RATE OF ACCIDENTS COMPARED TO WHAT WE HAVE NOW? HAS IT INCREASED A LOT MORE?

So within our city program, we have not had, we haven't really had those kind of problems. It's really been within students. We actually require you to be 18 or older to rent a scooter here in the city. So those are the stats that we kind of keep. But we had 243, I think, bicycle injuries in the last year that that was on.

I know these scooters have caused some serious issues. I even have a close friend who died about a month ago. He fell off his scooter, hit his head, and he was gone. So the chief brought up something that is important. A reality that I don't know how we're going to address this, the fact that there's the motors on the e-bikes and all of these guys camouflage the the bikes. I mean, in order to I mean, the e-motors and they camouflage them as bikes in order to get away with what they do. So do we require tags for this e-motors?

So per statute, all e-bikes are supposed to have installed by the manufacturer a label somewhere on the bike indicating which class it is. But there's really nothing that prevents somebody from removing that label. We could likely impose an ordinance requiring that that label remain in place, but from an enforcement standpoint and actually conducting stops by police, it's not very practical for an officer to see the label at a distance and use that as a basis to stop.

So how about, you know how mopeds have these little tags?

Oh, we would not be able to impose our own like, Oh, I know we have to go to the state with that.

We'll have to get legislation from the state, and it doesn't seem like they're being very cooperative right now with that. I know that some of these bikes, e-bikes, are being altered to function at a higher speed also, so they can go out there with the other motors and do whatever it is that they do, and blocking streets. And I know what a mess it can become for the police when you have all these guys, you know, riding. So... But it really strikes me that the state doesn't allow us to take legal action in terms of giving citations or arrest them or whatnot on these e-bikes. Is that what you mentioned earlier?

So there are certain factual circumstances under state statutes where certain things with either an e-moto or in more limited context, an actual e-bike, might violate certain criminal ordinances. For example, the street takeover statute is one where that can come up. There are hypothetical scenarios where it could violate other state criminal statutes, but as far as As far as regulation of general operation of e-bikes and bicycles, because state statute has explicitly made those violations civil in nature at the statutory level, local governments are preempted from making those criminal.

Just for the record, for how long have we been seeing these problems? 5, 7, 6, 7 years. I don't know. How long we've been dealing with this now?

I'd say probably about four years or so. It's become more popular lately. Of course, everybody's looking at it across the nation. I did attend major city chiefs this year, and we all talked about what our main problems are. That's 60 of the biggest chiefs in the U.S. And pretty much all of them said e-bikes and e-motors were a lot of their biggest issues they've had. They've had officers who've hit them. They've had deaths and accidents. They've had them on main highways. So all the major cities are dealing with this.

Have any of our delegation come over to see what they can do for us in terms of enacting laws at the state level that would help us negotiate with this?

You mean delegation as far as like who?

Our legislators in Tallahassee.

Oh, that's not my area of expertise.

No, no, but what I'm saying, has any of them have come to see you about this?

No.

Okay. I just want to see that for the record. Thank you. I appreciate it.

Okay, Commissioner Rose and Commissioner Sheehan.

So I want, from an OPD community perspective, I want us to be cognizant collectively about age restrictions because it does leave room for profiling. And we get hit with that enough in our cities and our communities. So I want us to be cognizant collectively. As you saw, the governor just vetoed the regulations and the stipulations that were in place. um you know we'll have a new administration come january but i want us to be as a council i want us to be cognizant especially in the minority communities um where profiling is already a thing so i want us to be cognizant of ages um the the hassle it will be on law enforcement on how you regulate how do you pick i mean we had a shooting and that we didn't know that that person wasn't shouldn't have been downtown anyway right when we think about ages and how that goes. I think we could be potentially placing our law enforcement officers in a very dangerous, not ideal situation. So I want us to be cognizant. The second piece I want us to talk through, how are we prepared for the kids? So September 8th, I think, is the date for OCPS, like true enforcement. How are we prepared as a city where bikes are just going to be parked anywhere, one, to the deaf portion of that? So if I can't bring my, if I'm a middle schooler, because that's the key, like I don't think OCP has thought through that there are kids who have to bike to school because they cannot get, they cannot get on the bus, right? How are we prepared for the theft and how are we prepared with bikes just showing up in random places?

So for us is to wait and see what actually does happen. When that does happen, that's a thought that's come across to us. And what I think will happen will be a lot of places where they just leave them and where they put them like you're saying. A lot of us, for us, it'll be getting with code enforcement to say, hey, there's something over here. A lot of it will be complaints because a lot of the areas around schools are private property. So we'll deal with it as we get complaints and we'll go one by one. But a lot of it, we will lean on code enforcement for assistance with that.

Okay, thank you.

Mr. Sheehan.

Yeah, I'm looking at the. The electric bicycles are more. The chart here. And it says Class 3E bike bike with electric motor that only engages while the rattle is patterning. It says pedal assist, but I think that I think the Class 2 and Class 3. are transposed because the class three, I think, don't have pedals. And those are the motor bikes. So if there's a way that we can separate out the ones that don't have pedals, maybe that's a way to be able to separate out the moto bikes that seem to be a lot of the problem is those, and those are the ones that aren't legal anywhere.

Okay.

Yeah, but a lot of the ones that they were riding where they were engaging with law enforcement didn't have the pedals.

So I can address that a bit, Commissioner. The three classes are actually specifically defined in state statute. All of the, everything that meets the definition of an e-bike is going to have operable pedals. Class two can operate via only throttle, so you don't have to pedal when using a class two. But class two is supposed to have a maximum speed of 20 miles per hour. Class one and class three are, the motor is only supposed to engage when the operator is pedaling, so those are pedal assist. Class one with pedal assist will go up to 20 miles per hour. Class three with pedal assist will go up to 28 miles per hour, but as you're As your question indicated, there are various e-motos and devices that can operate in a fashion that don't fit these classifications. These are the legal definitions of the bikes. There are e-mobility devices out there. that can exceed that, that as the Chief indicated, are not actually e-bikes under the statute, but may well be pedal assist that can go faster than 28 miles per hour, or that may well be Capable of operating only under only with the throttle that can go faster than 20 miles per hour and though those can Create somewhat of a regulatory gap right now. Okay, if they go if they have a motor that's over a certain level of power, they may well actually fit the legal definition of a motorcycle, even if they're not a street legal motorcycle. Some of them might actually fit the legal classification, the legal definition of a moped. And that's why I think in anything we do, it's important to address all of those different things.

Yeah, and that's what I was gonna ask. Emoto isn't even on this chart and an emoto. How fast can that go? So you're saying that can go as fast as a motorcycle It's it's going to vary.

So there isn't a specific legal definition of an emoto it's kind of a Slang term that gets used for any kind of electric motor, you know, kind of either bicycle or dirt bike that doesn't fit the classifications set forth in the statute for an e-bike and that might or might not fit the definition of a motorcycle. Generally speaking, they're not going to be street legal, but under, you know, Florida statute, but... they present enforcement difficulties. And as the chief indicated, the manufacturers, because what kids want are the fast-looking ones, even the class one, two, and three, are largely going to look very similar to ones that are potentially totally unlawful to operate on streets.

Right, can you ban them if they don't have pedals?

So, we could implement sidewalk bans on anything that doesn't fit some of the legal definitions. We'd be much more restricted in what we can do in the streets if it's a motor vehicle, but state statute kind of already covers things that aren't street legal.

So as I'm saying, it would be easier for a police officer to see if it doesn't have pedals. Correct. That would be an easy thing to be able to see. And it looked like a lot of those rotten kids that were blocking the intersection were riding those kinds of vehicles. So, you know, I mean, like I say, I think we're more interested in banning the bad behavior that is attracted to the bad. you know the the the moto bikes and stuff like that um yeah i mean i i don't want to stop kids from being able to ride to school i understand a lot of schools are pulling from a lot further you know my kids are having to go to a couple go a couple miles not to go to school where they used to be able to walk because they made their school at charter school you know there's a lot of problems that we're having with our kids getting to school I'm not interested in stopping them from being able to get to school safely. But then again, I don't want to throw the baby out the bathwater to where every Emoto and these kids riding Emotos to school, they're the ones that seem to be creating a lot of the problems. And if there's any way we can restrict that particular product, great. I mean, there's some way to separate them out. So that's all I have. Thank you.

real quick i agree with commissioner sheehan i think we should focus a little bit more on the emotos you can see if they don't have a pedal i'm assuming that if an adult is riding one of those on the street they're supposed to have a license tag there there's certain things that they have to do so it just seems like those are going to be easier to find where the kids with the pedals can say well i turned off the e part of it i'm just riding my bike that happens to have a battery that i'm not using um but the emoto stuff is the has the speed and which is the most determined is probably the most dangerous part. And it seems like the bad actors are really gravitating towards that type of vehicle. Thank you.

Commissioner Ortiz, then Commissioner Rose.

Thank you, Mayor. One last question. What determines the point at which someone needs a license, a vehicle that rides over 45 miles an hour, or at what point do you need a driver's license or a license of any?

If you're operating anything that fits the definition of a motor vehicle under state statute, that's gonna require a license to operate on public roads.

So any of those with the little motors?

Well, if it meets the statutory definition of a motor vehicle. The thing to remember in the state statutes is there are 50 to 70 different vehicle definitions set forth in both chapter 316 and 322.

Then we have to define what a motor is, because there's little bikes now.

Right, so e-bikes are explicitly excluded from the definition of motor vehicle, and that's where once you get into the e-moto category, once you get into mopeds and things like that, we have to look at all of the different vehicle definitions and the specifications of the of whatever device we're coming across to see whether it fits one of those specifications. If it fits one of the definitions in the state statute that requires a license, then it requires a license. If it doesn't fit that definition, it may or may not still, it may or may not be something that can even be legally operated on the streets of Florida at all.

Okay, so with the photo ID issue, and I know that it's tough to require a kid to have a photo ID in some of these circumstances. But on the other hand, it's not just an enforcement issue. Something happens to a kid, the police wants to be able to identify this kid and be able to contact their parents immediately. So I think the photo ID may be a good thing at the end of the day, so. THANK YOU. OKAY, COMMISSIONER ROSE.

I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO RUN COMMUNICATIONS, ALL OF THE DEPARTMENTS INVOLVED, TO RUN CAMPAIGNING ON EDUCATION. I THINK WE NEED TO DO A FULL EDUCATION CAMPAIGN SO EVERYONE IS AWARE. I THINK THE MEDIA IS HERE, DOESN'T POTENTIALLY HELP US WITH THAT, BUT I THINK USING OUR SOCIAL PLATFORMS, ALL OF OUR NEWSLETTERS AND ALL OF THE DEPARTMENTS TO LET FOLKS KNOW WHAT'S RIGHT, WHAT'S WRONG. I don't think the scary OPD videos work, Chief Smith, because it causes confusion and causes more uproar than anything. But just like even if you sat down and say, we welcome bikes like in the positive manner, we welcome bikes. Here are the rules. I think all of the departments should use their social media platforms to do so. So that's my closing remark.

Okay, thank you everybody. So I agree with Commissioner Keene that it would be great if we can be consistent with the other governments, including the county, but the other local governments as well. I wish that the school district would have mandated a course of 30 minutes 45 minutes on rules of the road. I think Volusia County I saw is doing that but they didn't so we're going to need to press as much education as we can in whatever aspects and ways that we can do that. We'll look at what we might bring back to council but I think we ought to let school year play out for a month or so see what the county is doing and if we can work with them to come up with the same rules of the road for whatever we're going to do and then Chrissy I think one of the things maybe we can conduct an audit of the areas in the city that we want to look at restricting sidewalk usage and whether we can do signage in different areas I know like on Conway we have that great new dedicated lane that I guess DOT actually did on the north part so certainly that would be a place that we would want people on sidewalks and maybe we can just address it one way or the other but do it with signage

There's a way that we could probably say even high-speed corridors and roads that they could use the sidewalk in those areas, which would kind of limit where we could put the signage. Thank you.

Okay. Thank you. That concludes our workshop for the day. We will add an opportunity to get us in position for...