City Council - Regular Meeting

I believe council is online. You see him on there? David, can you hear us? Yes, I can hear you. Thank you. And have anyone heard from Jared since? Be here any minute now? Okay. Thank you. All right. Any questions about the agenda? Tansy? Anything from you? Only one brief thing you did receive. Letter with recommendations for appointments to the Arts, Science and Vanities Council and the board held interviews and are recommending that you appoint Joel Grande, Ward one, and Sharon Miller from Ward two. You did get their applications as well with the with the recommendation. Any objection to following the board's recommendation? All right. That's it for me, Tammy. Nothing for me tonight. All right, let's jump right into it. First one is only sheltering options. So this is a follow up. There have been a series of learning and policy discussions around our services to homelessness, our approach to encampments. And so this is a follow up to prior information from that council out of a prior discussion about, generally, strategies to provide services to individuals experiencing homelessness. You ask for some additional information on sea park parking and pallet programs. So we have included that. And we've also done some additional research since that time. The award our regional navigation campuses opened. So we have also included that information. With that, I think this is your first presentation formally, including Jessica Prosser, Assistant City Manager. So welcome formally in this venue.

And I think Jessica is going to kick us off. Good evening. Mayor. Mayor pro tem and members of council. Tansey kind of gave the intro. And the purpose of this is really to kind of by way of reminders in the background of things that have been discussed previously, how this work around looking at shelter options for people experiencing homelessness aligns with the strategic plan. Then an overview of some different options and things that can be done around homelessness. So the last time council was briefed on this was September 16th. At that time, there was some different policy ideas provided with different partnership opportunities with the county. And then really high level look at some different shelter options. And so council provided direction to dive into a few of those. And so we will provide those. And before we do that just want to show alignment with the strategic plan that looking at shelter options clearly has alignment with some of the homelessness initiatives within the strategic plan. And even higher level than that, really looking at an overall housing strategy. So that's something else. I just want to call out that we will be working on as we form the Community Programs department. You heard about Housing Choice a couple of weeks ago, and really looking at what homelessness programs exist now. What is the future look like? Capacity and sort of where gaps and needs are. And doing some of that analysis along with overall sort of housing needs as well. So this has alignment with that. You heard a couple of weeks ago as well, changes to the open space, hours of operation and policy there. That was some of the policy direction that was provided last fall as well. So that has happened. And then this is more specifically about sheltering options, which aligns with the strategic plan overall.

So with that, I'm going to turn it over to Myra to run through some of those specific options, some of the research that's done. This is one of the spot team initiatives. Myra is leading that. And it's also been a really collaborative effort across departments. So I want to acknowledge that representatives from different departments that touch homelessness in the city. So it's really nice to see that collaboration come together. And so just want to acknowledge that they did some of this research and work to get to this point. Thank you. Jessica. Yeah, I definitely want to take just a quick minute to give recognition as well to my strategic team. Some of the members are sitting here behind me. And so if you are sitting behind me, you're part of my team. Please raise your hand. Thank you so much for your hard work, your dedication, and for being here tonight. I really appreciate it. The very first program that we researched was the Safe Parking Program. Safe parking provides a safe place for people to park legally overnight. It does include some basic resources such as restrooms and handwashing stations, and case management. We also wanted to highlight a couple of benefits and drawbacks, and I'm going to highlight some specific ones on both sides. So under the benefits of course, safe parking is more immediate and more of a low cost solution. It is a safer alternative to other parking situations such as tickets towing unsafe street parking. It's a little bit more flexible and overall over to the drawbacks. Again, this is only limited to individuals who do have a vehicle. It is a temporary solution, so this does not include any type of permanent housing. There might be some community opposition. And then of course we have to take into account the weather because we do live in Colorado and it can be crazy.

And of course, if any vehicles come up with any issues maintenance wise. The team researched four different programs Adams County Safe Parking Program, who is currently active, Colorado State Parking Initiative, who is in Active Dreams of Change program, who is located in California. They are currently active new Beginnings Safe Parking also located in California and they are active in your package. We have included the comparative chart which showcase all of the four different programs. For this slide, we are only going to be highlighting Adams County Safe Parking and Colorado State Parking Initiative. So starting off with the very first section, you all will see the site selection and capacity as you. As you all can see, these two programs are completely different in terms of capacity. One site, Adams County, say parking has two sites and they have a total of about 17 parking spots versus Colorado State Parking Initiative. They had a total of 14 different sites and a total of 118 different parking spots. In terms of the staffing, of course, because they're both on opposite sides of scale, in terms of the site number, the similarities are that they are intake coordinators for safe parking programs. There are case managers and they are law operators as well. In terms of the budget, you will see that the initial for Adams County save parking is about 94,000 and an ongoing. They do have a $1 million contract with the Salvation Army for rapid rehousing. This was a program that started since 2023, and that contract will be ending in 2026. On the other side, you will see that the budget for Colorado State Parking Initiative, their initial budget was 176,000

and their ongoing budget is about was about 170,000. Real quick, before you move on, drew, a quick question. Thanks for presentation here on the budget and the staff. How do those correlate that 94,000? Is that covering the staff salaries or is that an additional cost? Great question. So the 94,000 does cover the sanitation stations, the law operators salary, which is individuals who are being paid to make sure that there's safety in the safe parking program. It does cover case management. And there is a small portion for background checks that this number also covers. So who were like the intake coordinators for example? Are they new staff or the current staff? How does that work? They are for for Adams County Safe Parking program. They are current staff. So they are actually with Commerce City. They are the intake coordinators. And then they also partner with Almost Home and the Salvation Army for the two different sites. Thank you. Typically it's not a city FTE. It's a agreement with a third party nonprofit that would operate these types of sites. So like with the million dollar contract who's paying that. So that's the contract with Adams County unincorporated and with the Salvation Army, who covers the Adams West Side parking lot? Correct. The strategic team really believes that safe parking and regional partnership is the more feasible option. Therefore, we really dove into what this could look like for us here at the city of Thornton.

In this slide, we included what the conceptual module model would look like in terms of the eligibility and capacity with Adams County safe parking. And so they do require that the vehicle is operable in active registration, current driver's license and valid insurance. And then of course, just depending on the law, they do have limited spaces for an RV or a camper just because, of course they are much larger in terms of capacity. This is where the team started to have conversations about what would be best for us. We did think about ten different spots, which would be about 10 to 30 different individuals, depending on how many individuals are staying in the vehicles, and we would average it out about 20 individuals per one per one case manager. We thought about the ten different spots because we believe that it would be on the lower neighborhood impact. And of course, with an average say of about 30 to 90 days per vehicle or per unit. In terms of sites, we did identify six potential sites. Of course, these were just the very beginning conversations about what the safe parking program would look like here for the city. And so of course, a lot of further research is needed in terms of those sites that we initially had talked about before. You move on, Justin. Yeah. My question is for the previous slide. The ongoing $1 million contract that is not an annual. Is that an annual amount or is that 1 million for the full year 2023 through 2026, I think. Correct. Yes. So that is just for the rapid rehousing portion of it, not necessarily with the services for that specific program. It was only just starting in 2023, and it will be ending in 2027

for the specific location of Adams. Adams West. Okay. And then when the 1 million was for all those years not that's not a million per year. Yes, yes. And then, Chris, you mentioned the average length of stay 60 to 90 days, but there's a backlog of potentially users, 20 individuals and we only have ten spots. Do we put any time limits in terms of being able. So someone's not there for a year plus to make room for those that are in waiting? Or how is that approached or taken care of? Yeah, I think right now we're still kind of in the beginning stages of what this would look like right now. What we had discussed were that average of about 30 to 60 days. We haven't really discussed beyond that point. I know that Commerce City law and the Adams West lot, they that's their average and really depends case by case. There are certain individuals that do have to stay a little bit longer. And then there's also individuals that leave before the 30 days or before the 60 days. So I think in terms of this program, in that partnership with them, we would follow their lead as well. So just because of averaging, naturally it will turn over. We don't necessarily have to worry breakdown as of right now. Yes. Cherish. So could you explain to me the operator? I see there's only one on this page, but there's two different sites. So exactly what is the lock operator? Yeah. So the law operator is the person who is paid, I think between 2 to 4 hours just to surveillance, kind of the lot. The law operator, from my understanding, it is an individual who is an active participant in the safe parking program for this program, the one law operator. It's only for the Commerce City location, the location

for Adams West, which is located at the Salvation Army. They don't have a lot operator, which is why you only see one on the Colorado State Parking Initiative. They had 14 different law operators. They had 14 different sites. So this operator is not full time. No, no, this is only overnight safe parking. And so it's only just a couple of hours throughout the night. Thank you. So for for the very first year, this is based off numbers that I received from Adams County. They will be presenting their numbers to their county commissioners regarding the safe parking. And so this is where the startup costs come from. I did we did add about 5000 extra onto the 98,000, because we would have to do some type of site prep. In terms of depending on, of course, zoning and permits, we might need to do like a fencing around the site. And so that's why it's a little bit higher for ongoing services. It would be about $94,986. We did estimate about a nightly cost of about $26 per person. In terms of the services. So Adams County, they do provide porta potties and handwashing station trash services. And then again, just going back to the staff and what they are able to provide. Intake coordinators, the case manager, he provides housing, navigation benefits, assistance and so forth. And then of course a law operator.

The second program that the team investigated was the pallet shelters. These shelters provide safe and private shelter. They are quick to assemble, and they're organized in a form of a village, which you can see here in this image provided before you move on. Drew. Sorry, I had another. Looking at the programs that you gave an example. You gave Adams County, and then there was a Colorado State Park initiative and then to from California. Are there any other ones local that we can use as a reference point for data and things like that? I think so the the Colorado State Parking Initiative is dissolved now. They were heavily funded with Arpa dollars and recovery dollars and things like that. Those 14 sites they had were really scattered throughout the metro area. And I don't know that there's a lot that are still operating, sometimes adjacent to existing shelter facilities. There will be a safe parking component, for example, at the navigation campus. There's a whole separate lot just for people who have vehicles to park there. They're obviously encouraged to come inside, but a lot of them dissolved after Covid. And then also with the infusion of the 4 to 5 new navigation campuses, there's a lot more overnight shelter beds in the metro area. And so there was sort of less of a need for the parking lots. So the funding ended. It was it was funded through the state entirely, or it was a nonprofit that sort of was dissolved. So I think they had funding from several different municipalities. I'm not sure where all their funding sources came from, but they they sort of dissolved at this point.

And okay, so for other examples to use currently operating to California ones. What's been the experience with Adams County and their two months in terms of us with the homeless outreach team? Yeah, I mean, I guess how long have they been operating? Yeah. So when the Colorado Safe Parking Initiative dissolved, the church that was operating with them kind of wanted to keep it going because they saw that there was a need and people really needed this space. And that's when Adams County and other municipalities came together, such as Commerce City, to say, hey, how are we going to keep this program going? That's why this is such a big regional effort. The intake coordinators are with Commerce City, and then they're partnering up with Almost Home for case Management and also with Salvation Army for case management. And so our relationship with them is great. They are talking about trying to get more parking lots. And so again we're just in the beginning station in the beginning stages of this. And they're completely on board with helping us transform this into something that we think would work best for us in the city of Florence and for individuals who are experiencing homelessness in their vehicles. Great relationship. Thank you. Justin. Yeah, I actually have some additional information on that topic that you might find interesting. So the whole board meeting yesterday, we talked about the the Commerce City well-being team, the one that we are is helping out with the Adams County shelters. Well, they received a dollar homeless resolution program grant from the state. And so now they're looking to

establish a new safe parking lot in Brighton. And I thought it was interesting because when I first heard it, it was Commerce City establishing something in Brighton. And that didn't make sense. But in the context of what you said, how come our city and it is kind of a regional effort, but the program is expanding and, you know, of course, they're looking to also include Almost Home in the same capacity that the Adams County ones are so fairly new information. But the program that we're hearing about is is growing and expanding into Brighton. Thank you. Thank you. So following the same outline, we wanted to highlight a couple of benefits and drawbacks for the pilot shelters. So for benefits they're quick to deploy they can be installed pretty quickly. They're a little bit more stationary than safe parking meaning that they're allowed to stay on site 24 over seven versus safe parking that it's only overnight. It's again, just a little bit more on the private side. They have their own actual space going back to job acts. There's a significant upfront cost, which we'll get into here in a couple of slides. Site location may also be a little bit difficult just because palace shelters are larger and do require a larger space. Again, not permanent housing. It's it's more intended to be transitional. The palace shelters are on the smaller side, so just limited space. There possibly could be community concerns as well. Ongoing operational costs. And then again, just some weather limitations. For the comparative research.

The team was able to talk to Colorado Pilot Shelter, who is currently in active Colorado Village Collaborative, who is active, and the Pallet Shelter Village, who is located in Lawrence, Kansas. And again in your packets, you all do have that chart that goes a little bit more in depth. For this slide. We are going to be highlighting the Colorado Pallet shelter again in Active and Colorado Village Collaborative active for the site selection and capacity. As you all can see it's around the same range. So units to 50 units in terms of the staff. Again there's a little difference here with the Colorado pilot shelter. They have just one program manager, three case managers, program assistants and law operators versus Colorado Village Collaborative. They have 14 staff on site which include again site manager coordinator similar roles. In terms of the budget, you all can see that the initial four Colorado Pallet shelter 1.5 million Colorado Village Collaborative 1 million. Their ongoing for the pilot shelters, 500 was 500,000 and the ongoing for Colorado Village Collaborative is about 2.2 million. In terms of what the team, what the strategic strategic team talked about is, what would that look like for here in the city of Thornton? So the programs that were all researched, all showcased that they were a low barrier, which means that everyone is welcomed. Therefore that's the model that we want to continue if we were to pursue this option. Additionally, the team also believes that it is important that any individual that is referred into

this program is already currently actively engaged with the Homeless Act at Reach team. The team also believes that each guest should be signing in a guest agreement and a code of conduct on a regular basis. And then in terms of the capacity, again, going back, what we thought was important, ten units, about 10 to 20 people, each unit would fit possibly up to two people. So as an average of 20 people per one case manager, we did look at the stay and compared it to the other, the other programs. So we mentioned about 180 days as well. In terms of the different services. So again we're talking about mobile communal onsite showers, restrooms and handwashing stations, potable water. Of course we would have case management. We thought about also having a behavioral health therapist on site and then of course social areas, friendly and private offices so individuals can meet with their case manager or with their therapist. Now let's talk about money for year one. The site start up would be about 1 million, a little over $1 million. And this includes site prep, the purchase of the pallet shelters, the delivery, the installation, supplies, sanitation, station staff. So you all will see that for the ongoing. It's about 791. And that number drops because of course we wouldn't have to worry about that site prep nightly costs. We're looking at about $216. Lastly, we want to talk about the Regional Navigation Campus.

This is a large facility located in Aurora. This space was actually a former hotel, which is now converted into a campus that can serve up to 600 plus individuals. This location also provides wraparound services. For some benefits. This location is centralized. People can get their services on in the same location. Includes mental health, addiction services, job readiness, case management. It has a very high capacity which is great. It is structured for a pathway out of homelessness. It's indoor and it's a regional collaboration. There's a lot of people who are involved and that's just great. Some drawbacks. This is located in Aurora, and so it's about 14 to 20 miles away from central Thornton. It's still congregate shelter with semi-private in the different tiers. And there might be some potential client concerns. Some people may be unfamiliar with the geography and also maybe that it's congregate shelter for the first year. Our Regional Navigation campus is looking at an annual partnership of about $163,000 a year. This does include transportation. This will offer about 60 individuals served per year, of an average, say, of about 90 days before you. Justin, you know, just interested in more details about the partnership. For example, there are other cities that participate just through the partnership. And what kind of you mentioned transportation, but is there anything else offered as part of that, or is it just access for a certain allowed allotment of people

from our community to be able to just be shipped down there? Explain that a little bit better? Sure. I'm happy to. So this is a regional campus funded by the House bill that established those 4 to 5 different navigation campuses throughout the metro area. It was a collaboration between Adams, Arapahoe and Douglas County and the city of Aurora. There's other municipalities that are contributing on an ongoing basis. Arapahoe County is the city of Centennial is north. Glenn has already been sending folks down there as well. And so there's options to either keep your case management where you're from, say, in Thornton, or use the case management services that are there. And the that funding number was calculated through looking at the point in time data. If council is familiar with that, sort of looking at the number of people experiencing homelessness in your community, looking at sort of a nightly cost for providing all of the different services that are co-located there. And so the 60 individuals was sort of the average amount that might come from Thornton, based on the numbers and data in Thornton. And so there's sort of that's where the number comes from. And so looking at partnership opportunities, you can kind of see this is a this is a flier that Aurora socializing around with folks of. What type of funding could be utilized for this. Cities are using opioid funds, CDBG funds, you know, different types of special funding sources to be able to have it. But it was really, you know, envisioned with the county severe regional resource. So, again, maybe not for every person that's experiencing homelessness, but an opportunity to provide indoor shelter on that kind of regional basis, of having that leveraging of funding and economies of scale, rather than every city having to build their own navigation campus.

So similar ones exist in Lakewood, Inglewood, obviously, Denver did one with some of the same state funding sources. Just one more follow up is that the people that use these services, they're they're what coming from off the street and camping is that or is there a mix like do we do you have an idea of like what? Tier? I don't know what to call it, but like there's a spectrum of degree of homelessness. So I'm just wondering what what is the main like draw on that scale? Yeah, I think people are coming from all different places and situations. Some I mentioned might be living in their vehicles, some are coming from encampments, some may have a vehicle and a job, and they've lost housing and they can move straight into the transitional housing there, which is the, you know, refurbished hotel rooms on site. So kind of meeting people's readiness for housing when they come in and developing a plan with each individual to see what tier they would fit best into as they come into the facility. Okay. Great. Thank you. Drew a. Quick question on this. And first time I've heard about this campus. So it's good to learn about it. It's been talk for anything up north of people like closer to us like Adams County maybe you know like the human services building that they have. Is there been any conversation around that? Not to my knowledge quite yet. I do know that city leaders, they do. They have like a monthly meeting. It's called the core meeting. And I know that during those conversations, they're actively discussing just different services and programing that we might be able to bring up further north.

But as of right now, I don't believe so. I have not heard anything. I know Broomfield had some initial conversations, and Bromfield looking at reallocating some funding to the the Aurora Navigation Center as well. Yeah, I mean, I like the I think the question on the transportation is an interesting logistical challenge. I mean, I love the cost. It seems to be the most cost effective thing, but driving in just seems like a challenge. And so I imagine if Northland and Westminster and other cities in Adams County are planning on sending folks there, but there's probably a need closer for something like that. And I'm sure they've talked about it. I just haven't heard anything about it. Correct, Chris. This was presented to us at the Adams County meeting fourth quarter last year at the Health Services building. But at that point, things were so new they didn't really have statistics. Through your research, have they been able to put together more detailed statistics in terms of success rates or now that it is operating? And then second or follow up question that would be, do we know more about the campus now in terms of the variety of individuals? I'll be there. So like if it's women and children, but then also those from the encampment, have they had any type of safety issues or concerns with that exposure? Because there's no women's shelters specifically for some of those same reasons. So my curiosity is, you know, if we were to go this route, is this the safest option for maybe single moms and children's and things, or would that be counterproductive to this getting all into the second part first, this is only for adults over 18 okay.

And so there is no families associated with this. And the the state House bill that created these navigation campuses were only for adults. There is very separated men and women's side of the facility with doors that close and, you know, concrete walls separating it in the tiered systems as well. And then in terms of data, we can get back to you with more specifics from the past few months on what the data was. I know in January and February, they were averaging about 300 people in the facility per night. Throughout the three different tiers. We can get some more specifics on that and any other sort of impact information like length of stay and number of people housed and things like that. Thank you. So this is really just sort of a comparative piece you've seen on each of the slides, sort of the number of people served, the cost per night for the different options, the total costs, ongoing cost is kind of a comparative model looking at that piece. And then the recommendations staff would recommend further exploring the safe parking sort of concept with what sites would be evaluate locations, partnerships for safe parking, and then also further explore what a regional partnership could look like for indoor sheltering as well. And then, in addition, come up with a funding strategy that could be included in the 2027 budget. Alternatives are listed there. Staff felt the pallet shelters were pretty expensive for the number of people served, and just some of the other challenges with finding site locations and things like that.

Another alternative alternative is sort of explore a different set of programs, a different 1 or 2 of them, and then three. Thank you for the information, but not explore any of these any further. So happy to take any questions and feedback real quick. Did you press the button because the light turns on every once in a while, and I didn't see you reach for it, so I made sure I didn't miss anything. Okay, I'm thinking deep thoughts. Yeah. So I just knew. All right, I have drew. And then Chris, last year you gave some really great info about like homeless contacts and resources provided and number house and things like that. Have you provided something new or updated as of last year, or I guess, would it be end of first quarter at this point? Yeah. So we do our monthly reports and our quarterly reports. I don't have that on hand, but I can definitely get that out to council. And I guess the point is how are things looking so far with the investment that's been provided in homeless outreach and, you know, resource providing all the things that are kind of working together towards taking care of homelessness or at least getting people connected. So I think that would be super helpful to have with this discussion, or at least in continuing discussion. Yeah, absolutely. So off the top of my head. The only number that comes up to me is the number of people that we have housed, which is five unique individuals. I think that number is a little slightly higher due to the family units. But what's really important about that is just the regional partnership. I can't emphasize that enough.

We work closely with Adams County with Almost Home, with the severe web activation program, of course, and just the different funding that comes with being a resident assistance when the severe when swap is activated. So when I think about how it's going, I think it's great. Again, regional collaboration is really what's helping us. I do think that there is an increase and I mean we see it everywhere. And so it's just trying to get out there and to try to connect with individuals that we have never met in the past, because that means that they're coming from somewhere. And so let's try to figure that out. Right. So it's about doing street outreach. It's about connecting individuals to those resources. It's connecting to our partnerships and our other municipalities that also are doing street outreach. Because sometimes what happens is, for example, 104th on the south side of 104th year in Thornton, and then you cross the street on 104th in Washington, you're in North Glen. And so a lot something that happens a lot is that clients are just coming back and forth right then. They sometimes don't know if they're North Glen or if they're in Thornton. And so it's up to us to have that partnership with, okay, let me talk to North Main to make sure that they're actively engaged with them, or let's come together and try to see if we can team tag this and make an outcome even better and sooner. And so that's kind of what's been happening. But for the quarterly report, I can definitely get the numbers on the number of people that we have interacted with, unique individuals, people who are new and the number of resources and referrals. So, Councilmember, you're looking for some

some kind of trend analysis. What do you remember the exact points? I'll have to find that email, but it was very detailed and it showed, I think like the last five years of data and, you know, a number of people that you're contacting need like new clients and repeat clients, things like that. And yeah, on that same point, like when we're looking at safe parking, I mean, how many people are we talking about? Right? I mean, we're talking 100. Are we talking two? I think that'd be important to know. Let me make sure I understand the question which of those clients well, so served by out of the parking 900 people would say that you made contact with. Can we break that down? Of those 900, how granular can you get with the data to show us? I mean, ultimately, how are we if we're we're talking about a program, but we're we're not really. And I didn't see the first presentation because I wasn't here in September. But are we creating something that isn't needed? It's what I'm getting at. So show us the data that shows we need it. Yeah. So I think you you will see that there are more clients that we serve than we have been able to house more interactions with individuals seeking and I understand seeking housing. So we are going to show that, I don't know, we could certainly I don't know that we can speak to people that haven't been able to be served by other housing. How many of them might elect to utilize these services? Is that what you're trying to. Yeah, we're getting there. So of the 900 or there are ten people that are in cars. Okay. Right. Okay. Or are there two people in cars or two vehicles, things like that.

Like any data that we could we could suggest, okay, here are a number of vehicle or I guess would be people that are living in vehicles over the last five years. And here's how it's grown. We're here. Here is how it's decreased. I mean, whatever it is, I don't care what the trend is. Just want to see what the trend is and who we're actually serving and what the situation is with those people, because we just need to paint a picture that's helpful. Thank you for clarifying. All right. I have Chris and John, Roberta then chairs and Justin, I'll make sure you know I got your buttons. So I'm just going to weigh in for the recommendation piece. Alternative to safe parking seems the most interesting to me. That's largely because the campus doesn't allow filtering, and I feel like that's a big piece of it that you're on housed. And, you know, maybe the family has to stay in the car, but at least it's a place for the family versus an individual. To me, that means a lot. The distance is also a pretty big negative in terms of positives for the parking is fairly cost effective, does include the kids and then it's local. So that way we are addressing the needs of Thornton residents with something close in proximity. So, you know, if you're taking alternative to with the safe parking and that feasibility is the route that I would go. I'm not against the Aurora one. It's just for the reasons I mentioned that I think we have a better option. John. Thank you, Madam Mayor. Myra and Jessica, great presentation. Myra, thank you for your work with the hot team to this point. You've been an absolute rock star. And you're you're you're doing it every day. You're busting your butt to try and help those in need. And Jessica, you know, thank you once again. We're happy you're here. You know, your previous your previous employer. You're the one that helped create

the navigational center in Aurora. So can't say enough. Having both of you on the team, especially with, you know, when we came into office with the situation from the federal climate, then Amps County, what they had to do, it's like, oh, great. What are we going to do? And then then then this happens. So we have we have a template to move forward. So real quick Powell shelters you know I know there is a nonprofit in Longmont that has them the Veterans Community Project. But those of course geared toward veterans. But of course the the cost. Obviously. And it's not really a, you know, a long term solution. So I'm happy on that. No, I'm happy that staff is not recommending that. So I am going to go along with with that recommendation obviously. So we have the short term and long term solution. The short term would be the parking spaces. I will pivot for a second. On a personal note, one of my family members is homeless and living in their car in California so that in addition to hearing on doors, the number one topic was homelessness. You know, this is a very thing I'm very passionate about that we need to get folks at least in stable housing and get them resources. So the short term, having those parking spaces would be great. Actually, Heidi Williams reached out to me yesterday and texted because she's on the she served with Justin on the board of directors and mentioned, just reminder John, read your packet and also that you know they're interested in in helping us with that. So I'm definitely for the short term gang. The the parking space is available. But also I do want to see and Jessica, I think we've talked a little bit briefly about this on the side. I definitely want to see navigational center up here in North Adams County. I said with with the distance, you know, to the Aurora campus. So but obviously, you know what? Both Myra and Jessica, both you talk about we need we need collaboration and partnerships to do it. We cannot do it as a city alone, because that's going to put a big dent on our budget.

And we do have to be cognizant of that fact. So what we need to do is work with the neighboring communities like Brighton, with Commerce City, with West, with North Glenn, in addition to us in Thornton, to long term to find a spot for a center here so we can get those folks housed. So I guess I'm jumping ahead. So I'm going with alternative to to go with the parking spaces and then long term start work on getting a navigational center in place. Thank you Roberta. The recommendation staff recommends continuing regional and partnerships. Can you I'm just kind of confused because I it seems like what John just said is that I think it could be for sure. I mean, I think the regional partnership doesn't have to just be the Aurora Navigation Campus. That's something that's built and ready to go, and you could start sending people right away. But I think the exploring the regional partnership pertains to the parking as well as if we were going to explore, you know, indoor shelter options in the North metro area that would also be exploring regional partnerships. So that's kind of why I read it. So I wasn't sure if like, I didn't want to like go to alternative to and it'd be something else because that to me that just sounds like it's not necessarily Aurora. It could be could be some something a little more local. I do think it is helpful feedback if if council members don't think partnering with the existing facility and capacity in Aurora in the short term is something you want to explore. So I think that I think there's different ways we could think about that, either Aurora partnering with Aurora to a bridge to allow more time for because something I mean, just could speak to this in detail. Something like this doesn't happen quickly.

And so but I also think it's viable because of the drawbacks that were laid out in partnering with Aurora. If we're if we're not interested in and pursuing what that might look like as a bridge, I don't know that I'm not interested in that. I definitely interested in a safe parking sites. I think that if we end up in a situation, I mean, because there's no way something's going to get built locally like in the next two years, right? But maybe if over the next year or two, we discover that Aurora could be viable and we have the numbers to send people to get support there, then that could be a good option until things regionally, more locally are developed. Obviously, that's not the long term solution to keep sending people to Aurora. I assume transportation would be RTD to get people there correct, or how would we get folks there if we were to put them there? They could go and ride share. And then the regional navigation is looking at pickups throughout the counties as well. So Northland is sending people in. So because there's like there's like rideshare partnerships like United Way and stuff like that to get people places. Is that correct? Yeah. I mean I think they're sending folks in Lyft and things like that. Yeah, right. Yeah. Yeah. Like nonprofits that support those types of programs and advances doing organized pickups. And fortunately, RTD probably will take people. I mean, it could and there is a stop right outside of the navigation campus and obviously stops here. It might take a while to get there. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Additionally, the the homeless outreach team, we also have resources for both Uber and Lyft apart from RTD tickets. But we do have those three different options. Okay. I mean, I would just go with the recommendation of staff

and it's is exploring. So it's not like we're saying today we're going to do this just looking at the budget for and I think like in those discussions, having some of the data points that Councilmember Morris said, like what people would, what people are we seeing in Thornton that would benefit from going to. For support until there's more regional or, you know, Adams County class areas for folks to access. So out of these 17 parking spots, do we have any statistics on success? You mean how many of those individuals have been placed into permanent housing? Yeah, yeah. I think we'll get back to you on that one. Unless Myra finds it while we go to the next person, and then we'll circle back. Even at that. I'm totally on board for alternative to the staff recommendation version of that. Going ahead with the radio collaboration. I'm just clarifying because everyone says alternative to which is not necessarily the recommendation. Right? So I'm assuming when you say safe parking and regional collaboration, you're going with recommendation, which is the top line item. That's what I'm doing. Yeah. You too. Yeah. Same. Same with me. Yeah, yeah. So what is it? The staff recommendation, which is. Yes, it will be whoever it's alternative to first. Yeah. Basically. Congratulations. Yeah yeah yeah yeah. To simply because you know the the pallet shelters you know staff is not recommending them and with the, with the prohibitive cost. So, so alternatives

with the align with the staff recommendation. Yes. Justin. Well, couple of things I know that cherish asked about outcomes and I was able to get some. So, you know, this topic came up obviously yesterday at the Almost Home board meeting when we were talking about city parking and the expansion into Brighton that is, you know, funded for. I think they're just now in the looking for how to actually make it work with the locations and everything. And so when this came up, you know, questions were asked about the efficacy, you know, what are the success rates. And so we were given a couple pieces of data on that. For example, there was a big study of the program that was in San Diego. Watch bigger program with 350 parking spaces and clients, and they had a 40% positive exit rate, which means that 40% of the people who are in those laws getting the case management services and using the safe parking facilities, moved on to permanent housing after their time in the program. So, you know, with that, with that kind of program and scale, there is a pretty good success rate. That's that's why I think our our programs in Adams County are are growing now. Right. We've got the Adams County one and going to move into Brighton. And then there's Commerce City one. So this would probably be the third one maybe. I'm not sure. But the reason why I think, you know, we for sure go with looking into the safe parking in terms of locations and partners and sites is because there's already a model that is successful in our region that's happening right now and on Pier City. So I think it would be pretty easy to do that. I also encourage or I think we should give direction to specifically look at the HRP grants that Commerce City was recently awarded, because I think we would

certainly be a competitive candidate once we get this kind of programing. I'm not even sure what you would how far along you would need to be in the project before you could apply for the grant, but that would be good to know. And because, you know, we've seen other cities happening right now get that grant. I think that that, you know, that we could certainly be competitive for that opens the door for that additional partnership in evaluation. I do think we should, at the very least, look at into that Aurora partnership and see what all the things that we be gaining out of the details of the transportation and, and how those 60 people could be eligible for the program. And then, you know, look at what what that would impact us on the budget. Like what are we trading off here and what funds would potentially come from. So I think all of those are worth going down. I don't think it's worth going down that path at the moment, the pallet shelters. So I think I'm suggesting the recommendation, but I'm just emphasizing some specifics and also making sure that we do look at that Aurora thing and see what actually what are the details, and also how does it fit into the rest of the budget process. But I'm very optimistic about that HRP grant, seeing this program grow around us right now in other cities, the feedback about the grant and when we see funding strategy, certainly we'd be considering partnership grants, other kinds of things in connection with also local support. So funding strategy certainly wasn't meant to suggest that we wouldn't be looking for other funding sources. So just on clear recommendation. Yeah. Okay. I just had a lot to say. I just make sure I followed.

Right. So there are five supporting the recommendation drew, Devin or Dave. Anything to add? I mean, I'll say I am concerned with cost creep and like scope creep on this when we look at this is part of where this data will be really helpful to look at trends and also trends and, and how we've funded things over the years, like I know, for example, was it 2023 that we doubled Taft's funding? Is that right? Yeah. 2023 whenever it was we tell funding for there or for that program, but we haven't necessarily seen a decrease in anything. Right? We've we've seen things grow. We've we've increased funding to work hot, which I love what you guys do. And I think you can continue that. But we're not seeing like the corresponding results. And so when we see something like a parking lot and, you know, putting money towards things, there's really I don't know if there's any amount of money that will spend at some point to solve the problem. So we look at funding solutions, we're funding strategies and grants. And then we looked at real world scenarios or real world cases where these these organizations shut down because of lack of funding. You know, it's like, I'm just I want us to be aware of where this could go. Any consider that because this will be very easily become well, hey, you know, we need to we're probably need to throw more money at it because, well, there's still a problem. And then it just goes and goes and continues and then. And then what? Right. So I think tying in the regional partnership is super important.

And that's where this Adams County discussion comes in. Because a lot of this looks like it's trying to solve it internally with real no regional effort or tie in, at least not not this apparent or effective. There's a lot of resource sharing that happens at the county level, but there there, I think there needs to be some greater push from us to expect more of the county to even for sheltering capability or housing capability, things like that, because we will eventually based on like the direction that we've kind of discussed. And I will eventually be looking at ourselves like, well, how do we shelter people more and how do we add different things? And so that's just what I see happening. So I just want us to be aware of that. And so I mean, obviously we have a five people that are in favor of exploring further and I'm okay exploring further as well. But I think the data needs to show us something, and we need to paint a picture to help with that ultimate decision on if we fund something like this. Chris, you kind of gave me a gave me a new thought there. Have there have there been any discussions with like Northland or Broomfield, City and County and wanting to partner on the parking lot, the state parking? And perhaps that's a way to, you know, maybe we're doing our own little regional thing closer to I-25 because, you know, Northland and Thornton, our blinds are blurred, as you mentioned earlier. And perhaps has there been any reach out or any interest, maybe from our neighbors that would want to help support a safe parking? I don't think that there's been specific comments or conversations specific to safe parking.

I think many counseling council members were able to attend the summit of Wake County cities. I know, I mean county cities. In January of February. And so the Adams County manager did convene some of the city managers to talk about potential next steps coming out of that summit. And I do believe that Adams County is planning to convene the city managers and some of the key leaders in the housing and homelessness space to talk about collaboration opportunities, sort of where there are duplications or services or gaps or service opportunities to partner together. A date has not been set up, but I, I would expect that that individual efforts like this likely would get brought up in that. But I'm not aware of any discrete discussions to this point. I know there was a convening maybe several years ago that Northland put together. I think only the mayor would probably be the only seated council member that was here at that time. And I, I do think there were high level discussions about creating a kind of a regional roadmap and strategy, but I don't I think it did result in the the development of the core group, but I don't know that it resulted in high level policy collaboration across the board. Did I answer the question? And it's going that way. But, you know, the state parking was maybe it's in Westminster, but it is one that Thornton and Westminster part. And then we found it, the locations there. And I was just curious to see how that would play out, but it sounds like it's just not there yet. Yeah, yeah. On that point, actually

kind of a regional collaboration on the parking side. I wonder if if Brighton and Commerce City are executing these plans already, if that, if we utilize their sites as like test cases, you know, since they're kind of leading that they can provide, you know, kind of real world after action data, use data, all the operational challenges are experiencing. But if we have a partnership with them, at least we have somewhere to direct people that might need that in the in the short term. And then and then now, now we're still meeting that end state of having a place for people to go in a place that's already established in Brighton and Commerce City. Thornton is already referring, folks. It's a capacity consideration. Sometimes they're full so they can get a spot. Yeah, that's great. Great data to present in the future. Yeah. Thank you. Anything else to add? Just go ahead. I would second what drew said as far as going with the staff recommendation, but with the contingency that we really look into the regional partnerships way. More to your point, I think we end up in a row effect every time that we kind of let these things balloon and grow. So I wouldn't want to see another program going to do that part. So. Yeah, and I also support the staff recommendation, I think on the safe parking, I have similar concerns, but not just on the expense, but also the community concerns related to it because they're not popular programs. And I know even the ones that are implemented today were not popular when they were approved originally. And so as we're thinking through regional collaboration and partnerships, also think about how do we partner

with our own community for something like this. But is that enough direction? Yes. Thank you. Thanks. Okay. Next is the discussion regarding amendment to the liquor licensing code. This one's going to be coming forward. Some of these are fairly ministerial things to align with state law. Others are some policy considerations for the council. We don't have this currently calendar for adoption. Wanted to get your feedback and then given your direction will work to advance whatever the council is supportive of. So that'll give Kristen the floor. Thank you. Good evening mayor. Mayor. For some council, as Tansy said, I'll be reviewing some potential code amendments to the liquor code. There are some that we need to make based off of state law changes in recent litigation legislation. And then there's some other potential amendments. So first, the updates that we need to make based off of state law changes. First, the fermented malt beverage license. So that's your grocery stores and convenience stores. They can now sell wine. You probably noticed that when you go to the grocery store. And so all of those licenses have been converted automatically to fermented malt beverage and wine retailers. And so it's just updating the code to be consistent with that. And then also the legislation allowed for sale of alcohol and Christmas Day and then making other changes that relate to the switch over to that type of license. The second one is related to registered managers. They no longer have to have a background check, and so we need to remove the requirement for that in our code. And then the state statutes

only require the establishment to provide notification of who the manager is and then pay a $30 fee. And then the last item is related to backgrounds. CBI and I do not do the backgrounds. It's through they do, but it's through a third party. And so just updating the code to remove the reference to CBI and FBI and just generally state that when a background is conducted, that is just a background. Some other potential changes are really kind of simplifications. The first is to remove definitions that are already in state statute. That just kind of reduces the confusion of which the code or the state statute we're looking at whenever it needs to be defined in state statute, replacing specific references in state statute to just refer to Colorado alcohol law instead of 40 434 30, something like that, it makes it a little easier to read. Third is removing unnecessary requirements of the diagram that address are addressed when they receive the certificate of occupancy. So most notably, that's the details of like a kitchen for a hotel and restaurant. We don't necessarily care about how many ranges they have or the sink placement or things like that, but keeping in there where they're storing alcohol and whatever other necessary pieces that we need to be able to to determine the actual application for the alcohol. And then last is removing the tasting requirements that are already set in state statute. So a tasting is for retail liquor stores and liquor license drug stores since they cannot sell alcohol for consumption on the premise,

they can apply for a tasting which allows for limited consumption in certain circumstances. Several years ago, we made our regulations the same as the state. We don't have any additional and so this would just be removing that so that we're just referring to the states. The process would stay the same. And then some additional potential changes would be to the change of corporate structure. So that is not for a new license or transfer of license. It's only if you're adding an individual or removing an individual to your corporation or or LLC. Right now, the code says that the individual that is added cannot perform their duties until the application is approved. That's just not practical, especially in cases where they're replacing a person. They have to be able to perform their duties. So this changes the code so that they can go ahead and perform their duties while the application is pending. The next change would be for abandoned applications. Adding a definition for abandoned applications. If there is no progress, no response, no activity on an application for 60 days, and that is with us reaching out, trying to get in contact, trying to get responses, trying to move the application along. We just have no response from the applicant. This allows us to just kind of close that out so that we don't have applications hanging around. And then the last would be the timing for notice of optional premise. An optional premise is in addition to your primary licensed location, and it can be operational for 365 days. In our code, we require the licensee

to provide notice every 180 days. We would be recommending to change this to 365 days, which is consistent with the state. And that way it's just once a year. They provide us notice they're still operating. So with that, we do recommend bringing forward the ordinance as drafted. But if you would like, we can bring forward just those that are necessary to comply with the state law or any other changes as directed by Council. Any questions, any objection to the recommendation seems pretty straightforward. Great, great. Thank you. So we will bring this forward at a future council meeting. And then we will, as next steps, continue to monitor state law for impacts on local liquor license establishments. And then we still do have the restorative justice regulatory justice initiatives. And those recommendations will be coming later. Thank you. Thank you. Can we take a quick break? The break. Appreciate it. So now we are up with the fire department. Talk about whole blood. And this is a good news story. So we don't need any council. This is really to highlight some of the innovation in the fire department. And to give you a heads up on some future communication that's going to happen at the public. So give it over to the chief Kelly. Good evening. Mayor. Mayor pro tem council, this is I'm going to be very brief. I'm going to turn presentation over to Chief Gonzalez. But I will echo what Kenzie said. This is this speaks to the innovation of the fire department. I think you all saw in the community, saw it during Covid. And these types of programs really extend what what Theo is doing with our organization and with the city. So I'm certainly excited to talk about this. Thank you so much for your very kind words.

It's nice to see everybody. And it has been a while. It has, I think been since Covid since I got to come hang out with you guys. So I'm going to talk to you about Prehospital Whole Blood and introduce you to our program. Before I get started, I have brought a few show and tell items. Is anybody squeamish with the sight of blood? As long as it stays in attack it. Yes, that's the plan, although there has been some talk about. So it is not real. This is all training stuff, but it will probably help explain what is going on because we will be. This does give us the capacity to start bringing blood to calls and administering blood to patients. So I'm going to get into that here pretty quickly. So kind of our purpose here tonight is again, just to introduce you to the program, we're going to review trauma care as we as we perform it today and what it's going to look like tomorrow when we're actually giving whole blood, we'll go over some key statistics. We're going to talk about our operational model and how we're actually going to deploy the blood out there in the field, and then we'll talk about some of our next steps and answer any questions. And if you have a question at any time, feel free to just jump in and let me know. So first up, why does this matter. And I'm going to get my props out here so I can kind of illustrate this for you. So again this is just thick Kool-Aid. All right. So what we're going to talk about is the difference between current care, which is what's in this bag, and future care which is what will be in this bag when it's real. And so why it matters is 30% of our trauma fatalities result from uncontrolled bleeding. So that's a large portion of the fatalities that we see in trauma. Hemorrhage is the number one cause of preventable death in people under 46. The median time to that death from hemorrhagic shock, which is bleeding out, is two hours.

And this is the most important bullet of all is every minute of delay increases the mortality by 5%. And while that might not sound super, super impactful, let me let me give it to you in an example. So if you were to be in a car accident and we have our partners here from HK sitting behind us and I'll talk about that in the middle in a minute. We are lucky enough to have a level two trauma center sitting in our backyard, which is and is awesome for our community. If you were to get in a wreck right in front of that hospital and they were to wheel you in immediately from the time of your accident. It takes about 10 to 12 minutes for them to get blood ready in the hospital, just because of the logistics of how that works in the hospital. And so that ten minutes represents 50% increase in mortality. So think about that when we're actually going to the accident now and I, 25 or so miles away from from where the trauma center is located. So that becomes a very big deal. So again, how do we currently treat patients when they lose blood? We use Crystal Lloyd. And that's a fancy way for saying it's it's this is normal saline, which is basically just salt water at such concentration that it basically stays. When we give it to you through an IV, it stays in your vessels because we're trying to keep your blood pressure up. The future of tomorrow is we're going to give you what you're actually losing, which is blood, and blood actually allows you to clot and it actually carries oxygen. So when I give you this, it's actually just diluting the problem and it actually makes you bleed worse. And so this is a phenomenal capability to put this in the words of our medical director, this is not the edge of the spear. This is the tip of the spear.

This is the most progressive thing we can do as an M.S. provider. So the evidence research consistently shows worse outcomes with this product, as I kind of explained. And so the prehospital whole blood is going to give us the ability to close the gap between injury and time to blood, which is what we're trying to impact. The background research for this is the National EMS physicians position statement. They recommend whole blood or blood products over, over over this the crystal Lloyds as first line treatment of traumatic bleeding. Key research findings. And I won't go through all of these but I put these up there. This is a really recent research. Braverman is said. Whole blood associated is associated with improvement in shock index and reduced early mortality. You see, the next one 54.4% improved survival probability with prehospital whole blood versus them getting patients getting blood at the hospital only whole blood resuscitation independently associated with lower mortality in patients with elevated probability of death. And then that last one there principal whole blood associated with improved survival to hospital arrival and reduced hospital transfusion needs, which is also a huge impact when we give whole blood on an ambulance in the field at the time of injury, patients need less whole blood or blood products in the hospital. So he's to ski. I'll be able to talk here in a second key statistics here nationally, and then I'll give you some here locally. So national research this is across all programs in the United States 54% of prehospital blood patients showed improved survival probability. And there were three times more unexpected survivors with prehospital blood. And I'll get that a little closer to home. Colorado Springs, who has a really large hole blood program.

They have infused 113 patients with whole blood. That's for a total of 133 units. They've seen a 60% survival rate among their transfused patients, which is phenomenal. And 30 plus lives were saved in the first 100 days of the program. So outstanding data with these programs, program costs. So luckily, with a lot of the work that we did during the Covid 19 pandemic, we were able to repurpose a lot of the things that we acquired during that time. Things like coolers, data loggers, we actually did have to purchase this cooler because it's specific to the the blood banking industry, but a lot of the gear we already owned or we strategically bought over the last two years in preparation for this program, low tide or blood is what we're going to actually be carrying, and that does have a cost. We are going to get that from our partners here sitting behind us. HCA and I'll talk about that here in a second. And the cost for that blood, we estimated between 600 and $700. And we did just receive our contract on Friday. And the cost of that is actually $670. So we have an exact cost to that. We estimate about 12 to 16 units of blood per year. And that can fluctuate depending on what what the what our data ends up looking like at the end of the year. So that gives us a total annual cost of between 7200 and $11,200, no additional staffing, no additional capital needs. And that the cost of this program we can actually sustain in our current supply budget. So there's there's no need to increase anything there. On a quick question, will all of our fire stations have coolers of pre-hospital. That's a great question. So no in this gets to sort of the operational model.

So blood is a very scarce resource. And so we have a Sam unit that's our EMS supervisor. And the Sam stands for safety and medical officer. That is a single resource unit that lives at our station for so central to our city. So that EMS supervisor is going to carry this unit. And we will carry one unit of whole blood, and that unit will be able to go anywhere in any of our districts. And because they're so central, they can get there in such a time that that's going to make an impact on the call. If they can't get to the call, we're actually going to do some really creative things where we might meet the ambulance halfway, or we actually might even meet the ambulance at the hospital immediately jump in and give the whole blood, because there is a time from when we wheeled the patient in to the time the blood comes down from the blood bank and they get that infusion. So we're really just trying to impact that 5% every minute. So it's really what can we do to get the blood there the fastest. So that is our operational deployment model is our shift EMS supervisors. And so there's there's one on each of our three shifts. So that's staffed every hour of every day every day of the year. Again it is a single resource unit. And those are our most experienced paramedic providers that that serve in that role. Again, the equipment I already sort of talked about what we need to give whole blood. This is one of our specialty coolers, and this is blood bank certified and is also FDA certified. And that is why we purchased this one. And it also gives us some additional capabilities. It gives us real time monitoring. It has GPS and it tells us how much time to excursion. So how much time we have till the blood is not at a cool temperature where it needs to be. We have rapid blood warmers because this gets stored at 1 to 6°C. And so we don't want to put that into somebody. We have to actually warm it. And so we have blood warmers for that.

And then we also have specialized deployment kids. And those are things that we already carried. Our transfusion protocol is very simple. We get dispatched to a critical call. We assess for hemorrhagic shock, which is due to bleeding. We initiate the whole blood transfusion, and then we transport them to a trauma center where a surgeon can impact and repair the damage, which is what they ultimately need. HCA mountain Ridge is I. I'm sorry. Go first. I just have a operational question and say there is a significant accident where I know we're carrying one of those. We can assess vitals and do what we need you to see who's in most need. But if there are two patients, do we have some sort of contingency where, you know, somebody else is already working on that to. Yeah. So not yet. So yeah. So right now there will be there'll be a priority tree which is the the patient most in need will get the whole blood. There is also and I'll talk about this here in a second. We will be the second fire department to, to have this capability in the metro area. There are fire departments around us that are rapidly trying to evolve this capacity as well. And so they will deploy in a very similar model. And I know Chief Kelly's probably talk to you about our consortium that we have with all of our neighbors. They also have Sam units. And so once we get to a point where there's more Sam units in the entire area, we are working on a coordinated plan where we would be able to bring more blood to those scenes. Yeah, we certainly envision a future. We have multiple resources in the North area that can administer or deliver this resource to a large scale incident in MCI, where we have multiple patients. This is really this is really the the interview innovation getting us off the ground. Yeah. Step one probably of of of a multi-step process.

Yeah. So HCM Mountain Ridge again I've kind of already talked a little bit about this. But there are level two trauma center. Level one is the is sort of the top level trauma center. And level one and level two can take care of most of the trauma problems that we see. Again, we're incredibly blessed to have one in our backyard. They are helping us with all of our blood logistics. It is really easy to give blood to a patient. It's really complex to just keep the blood in the fire department and get it to the scene. So they're they've been a wonderful partner in helping us stand up this capacity and work through all of these complex disbursement models and rotation models. They're also going to help us with quality assurance. And we have an internal quality assurance program. So that way we are meeting all of the regulatory compliance because of the blood banking industry. And then the FDA also oversees this. I did talk a little bit about regional implementation. Here are some of the agencies that are doing this here in the state. Arvada is the closest one to us. There are neighbors. So they started their program in October. I mentioned Colorado Springs, which is one of the largest programs in the state. Thompson Valley EMS, which is to the north of us, is probably the biggest program in northern Colorado. And then Clear Creek and Grand Counties up in the mountains are take care of the high 70 corridor. So that makes us the second metro area program with whole blood capability, which we're really excited to be able to deliver that with this. And we won't roll this out immediately. And our tentative date for rollout is May 18th. So this is a, you know, probably a little over a month away. We are also going to, later in the year, roll out ultrasound integration with our whole blood program. And so that means bringing some of the same technology that they have in the hospitals for ultrasound in a more

compact mobile package, putting those on our Sam units and they will be able to actually ultrasound patients. And what that does is it gives us a couple different capabilities. One, it's the gold standard in prehospital trauma care. It's going to provide the diagnostic confirmation of when patients actually need blood. And we do that a couple of different ways. The main ways by scanning one of the major vessels in your body, it's your inferior vena cava. If that is collapsing on ultrasound it means that you are bleeding somewhere. And so that's going to help us not give blood to people that don't need it, and identify people that need blood faster before their vital signs even change. We can do some other things with with the ultrasound we can scan abdomens and it helps us with other clinical decisions. But mainly we want to make sure that we're giving the right patients blood. So that's another capability that will roll out at the end of the year. Next steps are, as I believe, the city manager explained. And Chief Kelly is our communication plan. So we are going to be doing some community outreach. There are some religious and cultural groups that may not want blood products or whole blood. And so we are working on a social media plan and an opt out plan for those populations. Again, that go live date is tentatively planned as May 18th. And now that we have the contract in hand, we think that that is that is going to be probably the go live date. So what do we get out of all this reduced preventable deaths from traumatic hemorrhage. We get enhanced trauma care capability on par with the nation's leading EMS system systems. This puts us in about the top 2% of EMS agencies in the United States right now that are doing this. And again, we would be the second Denver Metro Fire Department with this capability. With that, I'm happy to take any questions.

Any questions Devin, this is awesome. Thank you guys for the presentation and stuff. I'm really looking forward to seeing this going to roll out. One of the things that you mentioned is that you're you're carrying the one packet that's going to be positive. Obviously it's a universal donor, but what is the situation if it's somebody is a negative? That's a really great question and a complex question. So most people can get positive whole blood because we're only giving one unit. And when they get to the hospital, really what we're doing here is we're buying them time because this this can carry oxygen and this will help with their clotting cascade. So this is better than us putting this in. When they get to the hospital they're actually going to get their blood cross typed and and match. So they're going to get their exact type of blood with the RH factor is what you're talking about. That's either positive or negative. So this is almost the standard donor only would be the best to carry. That is a very small pool. Only about 15% of the population carries that blood. And that's a very small donor pool. So that's why we're starting with positive blood. And so we can give this to almost everybody, with the exception of a child bearing females in some circumstances. I just wanted to say thank you for the presentation. I asked a lot of questions on Saturday because I was curious. So yeah, no, it's all good. Thank you for the presentation. It's really, really cool. Program works. We're excited to have it given in the field. Our goal is to take them to HCA or the closest appropriate trauma center, depending on where we're at in the city. So we have some regulatory agencies that oversee our trauma care.

That's it's a it's a our trauma care consortium. And so if we're closer to Good Samaritan, which is also a level two, we would go to Good Samaritan. Any other questions? It seems like a really cheap piece of a chance. Thank you so much for doing this. Yeah, yeah. Thank you guys for your support. All right. Looks like we have some event funding requests. And Rob Kolstad is representing us at the Alliance for innovation event right now. So Kevin is going to pick up the ball on the request made a few weeks ago to provide funding support to pathways when their graduation efforts and in heaven. Thank you and good evening, mayor. Mayor Pro tem and members of council. We are here. Of course, if you remember, March 31st, there was a request made for a potential funding request, youth funding request for Pathways graduation gift project. So we will review that request tonight and look for your direction. I know we actually had some youth funding. Youth event funding requests come through earlier this month, but just as a reminder, the program was established under Council Policy 5.3. It's intended to assist youth with either competing in or participating in a youth event, such as a competition, a tournament, or an achievement event in the fields of academics, arts, sports, leadership or performance arts. The program is limited to $300 for an individual and $600 for a group, and of course, the event must meet the criteria listed in the policy. So for tonight's request, as we mentioned, it is for $600 for the Pathways Graduation Gift Project.

This project aims to provide and recognize the achievement of 30 approximately 30 graduating students who are identified as students who are experiencing homelessness, unaccompanied youth, or parenting student parenting students. The request will contribute funds towards purchasing gift for these students, and the average cost is approximately $70 per student. This slide just provides a summary of the expenditures to date. So right now we have has approved $23,400. If this request moves forward, that would then be pushed up to 24,000, which would leave a balance of about $11,000. This is you may be familiar with this slide. This is just a summary of all the nonprofit sponsorship and youth funding events that have been approved to date, and then just looking for council's direction on this youth request. Thank you. Any objection? We got a great overview. Was it last week? Two weeks ago? Yeah. So thank you very much. Thank you. Go ahead. I just want to thank the council in general, because I know that we brought this board and for whatever the reason, you know, this is something that I keep getting more and more involved with. I'll be again tomorrow. For those of you that were at the fundraiser last week as well for food for Hope, both those students that spoke, for those that hung around, they were amazing orators. I mean, they speak better than many adults. Another example of two students that are at that school. So I just want to say thank you to all of you for continuing to show the support for them, because I think they're a great

group of individuals that are assistance is really meaningful. So thank you. Thank you. All right. That's into the briefings. So we have the other discussion boards or committee reports. I'm on their three times. So that's why I looked right at you. Do all of them or do you want me to do all of them? Do all. And I'll, I'll do the short one version short as I can. Then. So add cog region. Subregional transportation forum. There's a fairly robust meeting. There was dates from CDot on I-70, the ten year plan. There was a TD update doctor Cog tips committee policy update, lots of different regional transportation. One thing they did talk about in detail was 104th Avenue Project and McKay Road open House. That's actually tomorrow, April 22nd from 5 to 7 at Margaret Carpenter. So I'm sure the city has advertised out on our social media with that's going on tomorrow. And then of course, tomorrow we have the ad cog dinner and we're hosting it. So that is tomorrow, right? Yeah, that's we're hosting this the first time we're hosting since I've been on council. Should be real exciting. Last time was 40 years ago. Yeah, yeah. So been a while. And those of you haven't been to them, they're really. They're really fun. I think it's a good way to chat with your peers around the region and then also some good presentations. So I'm looking forward to what we have there. And then for the. Meta SPC, let's see, I've got the notes here. The speak meeting is that was interesting.

I just want to start by saying that at least Jones stepped down from the Transportation Commission and is replaced by somebody else. I got the name here. They just his name is Karl Castillo, former City of Boulder chief policy advisor for 20 years, and he will be at the next native meeting. Well, he's invited to to the next meeting. I would hope that he does attend. And then in addition, we talked about the guiding policy documents clarifying getting I-76 on their writings on an ongoing request for RTB and CDot, have a bus maintenance facility, and there's aspirations to have it be a joint TD. I'm not sure what it's going to look like. And then the as part of our theme this year, NATO has set up our advocacy a different levels, and we're really going to be getting on the CTO board in the Transportation committee meetings, CDot doing service letter, all that kind of stuff is coming in. I hope, actually, that we hear more from some of the commissioners in Adams County about regional transit options. Maybe we'll hear more about that soon. And then the last thing on here is doctor Cog. The doctor cog meeting was also pretty interesting. Let's see. I've got this right here okay. So we've talked about expanding. And we did approve expanding the boundary to include Clear Creek and Gilpin counties. This will ultimately be signed up on the governor. There was a discussion about building electrification through the power head Colorado. There's a $6 million power head Colorado innovation pilot. It was approved.

And this will provide around 200,000 several wards to community driven projects, testing new ways to electrify buildings. So something to consider in context of our environmental sustainability master plan that there is funding from this Power Head Colorado project. And I know you've already applied in awarded some of grants through that program already. Then there was a big talk on RTD governance, which is that state bill was coming out, I think I think it's already been, you know, through the process up for debate. And the doctor board voted to support amendments, take an amendment position that would reduce the candidate signature requirements, and also ensure that Doctor Cog has direct appointment authority rather than just making recommendations to the governor. So the doctor wanted to, you know, directly make those appointments more details if you'd like to know. But and then there's a legislative presentation on numerous bills that we've already discussed. So that's it. Thank you. Others. For 70 we we approved the Apple Green Travel Plaza improvement contracts to go through. For those who don't know what that is, Apple green travel plazas are going to be taking up the old toll buildings on E4 70. They're gonna turn them into basically convenience stores, gas stations, so that when you're traveling through E4 seven, you actually don't have to get off of the tollway. You can stay until a refuel and keep going. So that was approved by our board on our last session. And then we also launched our new branded social media sites with some of the crazy things, like the exposure for 70 stuff that I talked about once before. And then this past weekend,

we can press the Colorado Auto Show. We we had a booth there as well, with a giant display of a highway, which brought a ton of people over to come take a look at it, and got some more attention about how E4 70 is spending the money and how things are actually being utilized throughout the state. So it was a great kind of exercise to let people know that it's not just taking money and throwing it away. So those. Thanks my flood district, we approved the 2025 audit and several planning and drainage studies and actually 11 project authorizations, but none of them were in Thornton. So always a lot of work going on. We need a flood. We talked about that too, but this was a good time to actually do construction when there is not a flood coming, so that when one comes, we'll be ready for it. And then we also had the AC rep map committee business. And essentially, ironically, things are slowing down because they were busy with the long bill. So there wasn't a whole lot of movement, although I'm sure there's stuff we're going to talk about here in a moment. All right. Council discussion items. Roberta I have a few. First of all, for me, we have Jewish American Heritage Month, Asian American and Pacific Islander Heritage Month, and Mental Health Awareness Month. Any objections? Okay, okay. And then secondly, I just wanted to make sure I think I just doubled. I wanted to double check that we are going to follow up on the policy that I brought up last week, which was a policy that allows for council review of new technologies used in our city, particularly those that impact data collection, surveillance and privacy.

Yes, we have added that to the CTO as a follow up. I think the likely the place that might the vehicle that might come back to you is you'll remember that in your strategic plan, there's reference to creating a public safety technology master plan. And so that may be the vehicle which those protocols can, I think more work to figure out exactly how that will come back to the council. But it is reflected on your council task list. Okay. And then the second one was a request to dedicate one of our police engagement series meetings to speaking about automated license plate readers as well. Yes, I do believe they are closing into a date and I would expect maybe, if not by the end of this week. Certainly by next week we'll start to promote that date. Correct. Okay. And then the last thing is kind of around the same stuff. So just kind of given the amount of exposure with community attention around flock and and that right now I wanted to ask if, if you'd be willing to have the chief take a look at our current apply system and see whether it's still the best fit for the department and not necessarily looking to dictate like what kind of tools or operations that the police department's using. But to see if it'd be helpful to have a thoughtful review of the cost and any potential alternatives, operational benefits, challenges, and what it could mean for the 2027 budget. And just having this information could help us like, kind of better understand how to support the department and also be responsive to the community's issues. Right now. They're happy to do that. Any objection from council? Thank you. I'd love to get technical input from the chief. Anything else is it for right now? Any other discussion items? Drew a couple questions.

I continue to get conference calls and emails and things from folks asking about e-bikes and enforcement and a lot of complaints actually, as well, about their time on the trails and in fear around that, you know, nearly run over dogs, things like that. Then we have a talk or a staff presentation coming up, and I think it's scheduled for Q3 right now. So my request to council was, could we look at having that session before the summer, when volume on trails and Mike use will be kind of at its peak. So we can kind of talk through those options? Clarifying. I think the ordinance is also talking about other ways to enforce maybe some ideas around that. We actually have anything calendar at this point. I know there is a cross departmental team assessing the code and recommendations, both education enforcement and sort of modifications that if it's okay, I like an opportunity to connect with the team and then come back with some recommended timing. Just I'm not exactly I'm not aware of their status at this moment of that work. Yeah, I would just if we could do that before the summit that the idea. Thank you. And then I was going to recommend the Asian American heritage though. Appreciate you doing that. Also, I had a question. I know I emailed staff about doing some painting touch ups, and actually if you have the photo, I can share that it's over at Eastlake. This was this is out in front of the amphitheater, right across or I guess directly adjacent to the train station in line at East Lake Station. And so I just had a group of residents that were asking if they could touch that up, you know, no staff support needed,

no paint, even needed cost. And so I didn't hear anything back. So I just wanted to bring that up and see if that would be okay. If we could allow them to do that, to basically touch up that white. Of course, some of the black there any issues with that? I don't think so. There is some language in the code and some relationship to tasks when it comes to community initiated art projects. I did see the email and I think perhaps we were looking. We had a staff conversation yesterday, so make sure you box by any day tomorrow. But we did talk through some options and just considerations. Yeah, I'm not trying to make it extra layer of things, just these folks want to make it look nice for the summer. So appreciate that. And then kind of a quick question open to input on this I know. Earlier this year is going to be sent out or maybe this late last year an email about ideas to make council meetings more efficient. So I appreciate that. I don't even know where that went or if we're supposed to do something with that. I guess that's up to the council. Something I would suggest is if can we look at shortening our council comment time from 8 minutes to 5 minutes per person and see what we were doing to shut up? I can't talk you too long during the meetings ultimately, so I just want to get thoughts on that. It is council decision. So we raise it to eight a couple of years ago. 3 to 4. That right. It was it was actually five. But we had someone that would do 15. And that's where it started getting into an argument. Orders. Yes. It was. Yep. Colorful 15 minutes is excessive. That would be. So the request is to go back to five right. If you if you think about an hour of public comments and then if each council member

which has been happening is taking eight minutes, we're two hours and more before we get to business, right. So we can I'm okay. Going back to five, I concur. I'm good with five. So the person who takes the minutes. Yep. Gave the motion to change. Yes. But you know you're shocked. That's my position. No no no no. Chris. Roberta. John. Dave I'm good with five. I've never used the full eight, but I don't think all of us usefully. But I think if it's there and somebody has something they want it to go on, use it how? I mean, how do you guys feel in terms of then all of us aren't using the fully every time. So it's 2 or 3 really saving six minutes. We said that last time that we weren't going to use it, and now it's everybody using it. Yeah, I know, I don't think. Either questions to so like he's going to win myself. Yeah. So. All the rest like I said if we're saving 6 minutes or 9 minutes because 2 or 3 of us are using it, then that is your one platform to speak. 6 or 9 minutes is going to make a difference in my life. I'm already here. For me. I can limit myself to five if I don't think I go to five that often. You have been lately? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I can limit it to five.

I mean, it's honestly not that big of a deal, right? If we commit to five and leave it eight for the cases that we need it, instead of everybody taking eight enough to work with ourselves, how does that work then? Like say, hey, someone had something that they were going to go into might be we can't police it, right? So you're given eight minutes. It's more of a courtesy of trying to keep it to five. A personal note I would try and keep it to five. Sometimes we have a lot to talk about and I do go more than five minutes. I mean, usually I don't go that, but I still think. Keep it eight. I'm going to keep it, I won't I won't go wait on my own. I think that's just a personal thing. Just as long as we try and get to the point, talk about what's happening in the community and then be done so the next colleague can speak so that we can move the business along. So how about if we commit to five verbally and if it continues to be everybody go into eight. Yeah. Then we come back and revisit it because the meetings are getting excessively long and it is a long time before we get to business. It stays the same and then same, but we commit that version of yourself to five. Yeah, I can do that. I don't I don't see changing much. I mean it's twice we're making the change in our first term. So at this point getting pretty indifferent. Dustin cherish you okay with that approach? Yeah, I mean I'm I'm okay to speak faster. Will be times where I'll go over five. But I think the whole point of moving into five days because somebody was not on this council to go was acting in bad faith. And, you know, to really use the rules against people. That's my personal training. And so that's why I felt like there was a

need to change back in 2023, late 2023. But I think yeah. When peaking. All right. So it stays at eight with a commitment to five just among ourselves. No staff action on that. Okay. Anything else a decision but. Have the same conversation two years. I mean, I only ask people to talk about making committees more efficient, but also we do have the ability to communicate with our residents in so many ways that if we really want to share something, we have social media, we have phone, we have email newsletters, we have knocking on doors. You know, I mean, there are a lot of there are a lot of ways that we communicate with our residents. And so it was just an idea to appreciate it. All right. Anyone else I I've got something there. Go ahead Dave. I didn't interrupt anybody did I? Go ahead. Okay. So I just have a in my mind, a fairly simple request. I'm asking that for. We fly the thin blue line flag at City Hall during National Police Week in May, just as we do the pride flag in June. It's a pretty straightforward request for fairness, consistency, and respect for people who serve this community. Every day each June in Thornton, we raise the Intersex Inclusive Progress Pride flag at City Hall. That action reflects the city's willingness to recognize community observance and allow spreading on public property. Whether individuals agree or disagree with the display, the decision has been made to open up that space as a form of expression. National Police Week is observed every May since 1962. It also is a nationally recognized commemoration. It honors the service and sacrifice of law enforcement officers, including those who have been killed in the line of duty.

Here in Thornton, we have approximately 249 sworn officers that serve the community of nearly 150 zero residents. Their their work is a major reason why the city continues to be one of the safest in Colorado. Thin Blue Line flag is widely recognized as a symbol used across the country during Police Week to show support for law enforcement for many officers and their families and represent sacrifice, service and remembrance. Just adding that if we're going to use City Hall flagpoles to recognize certain causes or groups, then we need to apply to standard evenly. This is not about elevating one group over another is about ensuring the city does not pick and choose which viewpoints are allowed and which are not. From a general legal standpoint, although I'm not a lawyer, once the city opens up its flagpoles for expressive to plays, it enters into First Amendment territory and Shurtleff versus the city of Boston. The Supreme Court made it clear that the city cannot allow some viewpoints while excluding others. So I'm just asking if that we can fly just thin blue line flag. During just the week of National Police Week in May. Do you know which week that is? Just out of curiosity? Yeah, it's the second week. I'll have to look at the exact date for you. My apologies. It is May 10th through the 16th. Yes. And you push a button for this. Okay. Go ahead. And I push it for. Okay. I'll keep cracking. Yeah I am I, I would be okay with that. My only request would be I think this might have already been in the request, but I just wanted to clarify that when we do have that flag up and we like or we're going to commemorate it with a resolution or something like that, the meaning of the blue line flag and maybe some of the other iterations, because I don't think I'm not sure if everybody's aware, just like they are with other flags. So you just want a resolution to go with it.

Yeah, I think having a resolution to go with it and with like an explanation of what we're we're doing would help because I think that mirrors what we do with the pride flag during pride month. So yeah, I think that would be a good idea. Any objection to that approach? Flying the flag for the week with a resolution to go with it. It's on the back of my truck every day. All right. Anything else? Dave? Sorry, I don't meet myself. No. That's it. Thank you very much. And I'd be happy to read that resolution. So thank you. Thank you. And Justin okay. Yeah. I've been getting a lot of questions through all sorts of different channels on about the news coverage, on the investigation into the block searches. And so I know it's I want to I'm not asking about details, but I was hoping the staff could just give a broad overview of what that an investigation means, because I'm getting questions about what is what was doing, the investigation, what's happening, what to what do we expect out of this and and what would the outcome be like as like a product like what's the outgoing product of that. Right. So because there are personnel involved, the investigation itself at this point is confidential, and we are following our standard departmental policies. And I we did have a meeting on this today. And I know that the investigation is in process, and I think the outcome of the investigation may be protected. We'll have to see what information is garnered from our staff's review of the Flock Records. And but there may be also, as a result of that, some information

that can be shared with the public. So we just have to and it's our staff that is conducting the investigation and those most familiar with the flock system. And we're taking a look at all the records and seeing what our conclusions are with regard to those allegations. Okay. Yeah. And how much will counsel be informed or will they we will give I think definitely give counsel a follow up on those issues. And in fact, one of the issues we have a legal opinion that we can send out under a confidential heading to. Okay. So we all have talked about this and we will provide a response in the near future as soon as the investigation. Okay. Thank you. That's it. Anything else? Okay. All right. So next is state legislative update. So Kevin Borgen is going to join. Oftentimes we we really listen to each of you. If there are things that you have heard we did get an update today from our state lobbyist on a bill. So do you want to provide a brief update to the council and provide an opportunity for feedback? Given the speed that the bill might transition, then we'll we'll kind of step back and give an opportunity for for feedback like we didn't really do. Thanks. Yeah. Good evening again. Yeah. So we just wanted to provide a quick update on Senate Bill 70, which is the ban on government access historical location information database, which in other words the bill that concerning Alpers. So there were some movement on it today. So I just wanted to provide that update. The bill did pass through Senate Appropriations Committee by a vote of 4 to 3, the deciding vote that passed it did reference that because the fiscal note was removed from the bill, that they think that it should have been considered.

The bill should be considered by the Senate as a whole. So it did move out of committee. Its next step will be to go to the Senate floor for second readings has not, at least earlier. Before the meeting it was not calendar, but we do expect it to move fairly quickly. Law enforcement has expressed the law enforcement community has some expressed concerns with the bill as it's been introduced, and it's made its way through. The Senate committee process continues to be some concerns around the bill's current Warren requirements and some provisions around information sharing. As I mentioned, likely to hit the floor over the next couple of days when quickly they do expect that the vote on the Senate floor will be close. The city's lobbyist has been reached out to by some some senators just asking about the city of Lauren's position. So just wanted to provide that update as it has moved out of the committee and wanted to give that update. So I know the D.A. has given an overview to the Metro mayors about the concerns with that bill, in particular related to warrants. Chief, can you give us an overview of how this might impact our ability to do business? So if Senate Bill 70 passes, it will absolutely negatively impact public safety in the city of Oregon. The only real question is the degree to which that happens. The warrant issue is a big, big piece of that. However, the so the police chiefs we actually have come out with strongly opposed this bill. The sheriffs association CML. And like you said, the DA's all oppose it as well. There's various reasons for that. If you wanted us to get into any of the minutia of the bill, Adam would be a little bit better at that because he's been to participating in the meetings. But we do believe that if it passes, that it will negatively impact public safety. I would recommend we oppose, just based on what I've talked to Brian

Mason about, I'm very concerned about our ability to be able to solve crimes. What he told us is that the first 12 to 24 hours is extremely critical, and this bill takes that effectiveness away. Completely true. Yeah. I'd recommend we take an opposition stance there based on recommendation here and what we've heard. And then of course, with the Da office also being concerned that it does reinforce that. Justin, do you have the information on the organizations and groups that were support or have different positions in oppose? Thank you. Want that up? Really. Give me one minute. Because I can you elaborate? I know we've talked about it previously. The warrant piece. Can you go over just the specifics of that a little bit more? I don't want to step up and that to this. Yeah. So I can kick it off and then turn it over to Adam when I stray too far. But the gist of it is that the way that the bill is written with the most current amendments, is that anything that we're looking to access that's more than 72 hours old requires us to get a warrant. The challenge is, is that a lot of times we're not getting notices on a potential crime that's occurred. Just as an example, sex assaults are generally reported kind of late. People don't report those right away. So it would require us to get a warrant. But then a lot of the information that would go to building the case for probable cause for the warrant is stuff that we would potentially be getting from the LPR system anyway. And so it's a little bit of a circular problem. Adam, has anything else to add? Right. There was an expansion in an amendment last month that did allow for the keeping of the data up to 30 days. So as as a reminder that currently our process

is in most municipalities processes is accessing the data for up to 30 days without a warrant. So here this bill would require a warrant after 72 hours, and the data would have to be purged after 30 days. So the 30 day issue is really the problem. But as the chief indicated in most kinds of investigations, time is of the essence. But there's reporting issues, and everything in the tool itself is a means to get to probable cause. So in some ways, from a law enforcement perspective, it's a cart before the horse problem. The other piece that has come up, both of the CML and the CAC, which is the chief's association, is that you're all aware of the very robust discussion that's ongoing about Elder Technologies. The bill started at one level without any discussion. It was written with a very particular point of view. It's expanded a bit, but that same discussion didn't happen. It's kind of what was happening in the state House is the reverse of what's happening here, which is a good thing, right? It's a good public discussion to talk about what the public is willing to accept in terms of balancing, as the chief had eloquently said, balancing public safety and privacy of everybody. So that's a that's a big picture here. And in my understanding too, is that the reason that it moved out of appropriations is that removed two positions that were going to be created at CBI in order to monitor compliance. So if there's not going to be any monitoring of compliance because there's no position authority on that, then that kind of begs the question of of enforceability. Anything else? Just.

Oh, well, I guess my. At this point then does our legal team in a law enforcement think that there is no amendments to be done this there's fundamentally this bill obstructs operations too much from a law enforcement perspective from the CHP. We have that's been our position the entire time. This wasn't something that was able that it would it would negatively impact public. Williams can always come up with the idea. But but but we advise we advise but but but that's kind of why I made the mention here. My view here is that the discussion that we've had together and continue to have is how you formulate good public policy, starting out with a very. Position, I don't know, starting up from one point of view very strictly, and then trying to open it up is the inverse. I think, of a strong public policy discussion. Right. Because you're always you're backpedaling constantly. And as the chief mentioned, I also serve as a legislative counsel to the CAC it through my role here. But and that's the difficulty is that if you start tweaking it, then it becomes a freaking science monster. And that's kind of where we're at with this bill. So there's nothing, you know, some of the legal perspective. We're not taking a policy position. Of course, my client wants to achieve something. So I'm here to help and support. And of course, if we get direction from you also, our clients will take that. But it's challenging when you're when you're dealing with a bill that was written with a certain point of view in mind and then trying to make it better, as opposed to coming up with a bill that's that's based on the discussion that we've had.

I will just add here, we don't have Peggy here with us tonight are standing legislative update is next week. So she'll be able to provide maybe better reflection next week. I think at a prior point that the council did give direction to express our willingness, our interest to collaborate on changes on the bill. To my knowledge, I don't believe we've gotten any specific request, but I think Peggy could speak to that. I think the council did previously ask Peggy, as our lobbyists, to express our our willingness or interest to collaborate on potential changes, but I don't believe there's been any specific requests. And I think what's changed is how quickly it's moving now. And so if we wait till next week, we won't be able to get our voices heard. I can provide I was able to see some organizations out of position, so and I should have probably started with obviously just a reminder that the City Council direction was to amend here. But there are a couple other local governments that are also have taken an amended position. So the city of Aurora, Adams County and Boulder County are all in it, currently in an imminent position. There are a quite a few municipalities, local governments that are in an opposed position. CML is in an opposed position, doctor in opposed position. But I could certainly go through that list of cities if you'd like. And then in terms of the support position Boulder County is in, support the ACLU of Colorado and support Colorado. Common cause is for support. And just being able to pull some information really quickly for you there. Could you list.

Those cities that are opposing. Sure. What I wrote down really quickly and I can we can get you a full list. But Colorado Springs, the City of Arvada, Commerce City, Brighton, Longmont, Lone Tree. More but and then and then there's some associations, associations of chiefs of police, the Association of Fire Chiefs, district Attorneys. But I could probably get you a more extensive list of helpful. Thank you. Justin. Still on. You don't have any questions? Devin. Do we see where we can see delayed times or longer times and getting warrants coming through, be able to kind of run this like what's the what's typical warrant return time from the time request to actually being granted from the time it's requested and goes through the district attorney and then to the court. It's really can vary. Some of the more serious ones can be prioritized within a day or two. Some of the others might take a little while longer. There's there's kind of baked in delays throughout this whole process, or I should say potential delays throughout this whole process. And so when we're when we're trying to navigate something that is time sensitive, it's problematic. Yeah. That leads into my next question is I'm assuming the 30 day timeframe starts from the exact moment is being recorded and not from access itself. Correct. To believe that's the case. So even trying to get a warrant, if it takes a week, two weeks, and cutting down on that time frame to be able to get into it anyway. Correct. So where do you stand up? Where do I stand? All right. I think everybody knows where I stand. You have to say it so that I can record. I very much against this law.

Roberta. John. Dave. From above here, I'm going to shock nobody and say that I'm adamantly opposed to this as well. I would be opposed largely because of the position in which he said the DA's association. And to me, that is. You know, non-biased and what they're trying to achieve ultimately in terms of public safety. I also heard more loudly the comments that Adam was able to make there in the sense of how it originated, if it was, you know, smaller idea of one individual or a smaller group of individuals opinions. And then now we are trying to rework it with amends, but it's not really happening then and now. It's fast tracking. I agree with you also that we might miss an opportunity and then put that legislation out there, and I would much rather see a collaborative effort and putting together and we have our own representatives, so we want it rewritten. You know, something that we can put to our own representatives for next year to do more global or type approach in which we address the issue, but we do it appropriately versus trying to come out of the corner and expand and meet everybody's needs. And based on what they're saying and what I'm hearing, it's not coming together that way. Via meant. So I don't want it to go forward unless we have that approach. So for now, John. Yeah. And yeah, I agree with my colleagues here as well, somewhat reluctantly, but still, you know,

even though I was out of town the last week, still, I did notice, you know, all the district attorneys speak up about, including our own Brian Mason, who I love and respect a great deal. So in this situation, you know, I am going to lean on District Attorney Mason's judgment, along with the other district attorneys, not to mention our our police department. And I am going to be opposed. Justin. Yeah, I you know, I suggested we take a position early on because I was maybe not hoping that there was something about this bill that could be salvaged that would could work in kind of the manner that Chris, I talked about what you have here, Adam, talk about the policy approach kind of backwards on this bill. You know, I think that. The post position makes sense. So I agree with that. Roberta. So if concerns are still pose, let us know what else you need from us. If anything, if you can let us know when it's calendar. That would be helpful. Mayor. Just I did find out it's 72 hours prior to the date of access. That's the point. So you can only go back in time 72 hours. So if it takes four days to get the warrant, then it's gone anyway. Anything else for that? Was all I have with that. I think we have finished for this evening. Thank you all very much.