Parks and Recreation Commission - Regular Meeting

It would be probably best for us to have a lot of things on our list. But before we start, Elise, I wanted to just ask you to double check on the idea of going forward with

but the first item on the agenda was the review of the role of the commission with sherry so sorry i'm sorry we're i'm not with it today i just came from the coast guard change of command ceremony and it went longer than i expected so they shouldn't have the ipads but i don't know if they're deciding on our agenda

nothing's not working nothing's working thank you um i think in our packet to open up that link um at least provided us with our original um your section of code establishment of this commission Sherry, please take the floor.

So I wanted you guys to take a look at the responsibilities that we outlined in change code.

I'm trying to, one second.

They're up on the screen, Sherry. I can't see over there.

Why don't you guys just take a look at these today. Make sure that when we're making decisions, and I do this with every commitment, I'm not just saying the same way you guys are. So from time to time. So I just want to make sure that sometimes you don't go back and look at these and look at the role of this commission. So, and I don't know if you guys had a chance to kind of review these and go over them. I want to kind of some feedback from you too about WHAT DO YOU THINK THAT THESE ARE, YOU KNOW, ARE YOU HAPPY WITH THESE? DO YOU THINK WE'RE FOLLOWING THESE AS A COMMISSION? AND DO YOU THINK THAT WE'RE, THAT YOU'RE STAYING ON TRACK WITH with these when you're making decisions or you're working on things on your agenda. So I just kind of wanted some feedback from you on this.

If there's no one who wants to jump in, I did look at these this week a couple of times and was kind of pleased with the scope of what this outlines. And I don't think we've gone outside of the scope by any means, but I don't think we've utilized the strengths of what this empowers us for. We have good ideas how to, like bringing community groups into decision-making, just the public in general. I think that's something we're all interested in doing, and I think it would enhance whatever We do, and personally, I just want to go forward with anything that would pass that mustard of public discourse and approval. I think that where we have faltered is having ideas, not having a process that we then say, OK, now we've decided that this is a good idea. How do we get some public input? And then how do we present this to the council for consideration before budget? is set for, you know, the next five years.

Yeah, because budget, you know, we're going to start into budget very, very soon. I think in the next month, that process is going to start. We're gearing up for that. And as you said, I'm going to apologize to Lisa. I think that, you know, if there's some frustration on the commission, I think maybe there's some frustration with maybe process or whether or not you're being heard or things are getting transmitted to where they should go. So you have, like Kathy said, when you have something that you want to move forward, it's great to get public input on that. Well, if the public doesn't really know about it, then you're not we're not going to get them showing up. Right. So maybe we need to find a way, um, uh, if you are soliciting public input on something to get that out there, to see if we can get people, um, whether they do it, you know, by email, um, if they can't come to the meeting or, um, some way to get them to show up to get that. So, um, So if there is a topic that you really want to get some public feedback on, maybe we need to find a way to do that. Maybe it's Sarah putting out a, what do you call that thing? Yeah, there you are. Sarah's here. Maybe it's Sarah, you know, putting forth something to help get that feedback. So, yeah.

We do. Go ahead, Sarah, we do. We can do, yeah, we can do a flash vote, which I spoke to your group about like last winter, I think. I think that would be an excellent way to get some public feedback. You know, we can also, if you have something a little bit more honed in, we can do some news flashes or put something in our newsletter, get something out on Facebook too. So as far as... generating interest in a topic or a subject. But I think FlashVote might be a really excellent start if you're looking for some public suggestions or feedback.

So utilizing Sarah, utilizing our communication at the city, you know, for you.

I have a question. So I remember when we got that board from FlashVote, I think you said there was like 300 people there. Is that correct?

Yeah, we've increased the number a little bit. Yeah, so we're up to about 353 that are subscribed.

We keep adding subscribers each month, and each time we do a flash vote, we get a few more.

This next year, I'm going to do a couple communication campaigns to really drum up some more subscriptions to that platform. The other thing that we can do each time you do a flash vote, there is a public link that you can share. So when you get your flash vote, then you on your Facebook or in an email, you can send out to your friends and family. Hey, I just voted for this. There's a flash vote and you can send them a link. and then they can vote on it. And then it also encourages them to sign up for future flash votes. So that's a way we can get it out. So yes, there's the 353 subscribers that get it, but you can share that link out further to the public.

So, you know, you know, Elise is your, you know, your, your liaison for us, you know, and so if you work with Elise and Sarah, if you have something that you really want to generate some public interest as a public input on, then we need to find ways to get that out there. I'll do that.

Maggie? Well, and this is going the old-fashioned way, but originally, we did a table at Gold Rush. That's fantastic. And we had a weekend. It came up with several questions, and it got a lot of buzz around town, and that's how we started the mainstream. Yeah, that was very accurate. Saying that, I can't commit to working the table at this point, but I mean, now I definitely would work the table for that.

So we have... Go ahead, Sarah. Sorry. I was just going to say, the city does have it. We are going to have a table at the 4th of July market and the Gold Rush Days market for the city. But as part of the city, if you have some specific questions or a questionnaire that you want handed out, we could certainly have that at the table. It definitely helps if one of you is there to to answer questions or to be a little bit more specific about that questionnaire. But the city will have some info booths at both of those markets, and you are welcome to provide some handouts or some information about that.

You know, we have our budget for matching grants that's care marked for that. Yes. process and it doesn't go away. And we do pull money out of that for like the lunch and dinner. But I wonder if it would be set aside money to ask for a budget every year for advertising. Because I know KPK has some also really effective ways of reaching people and getting feedback. not very savvy, give them my money and say, do this while you will. But I know it's effective. And I know that when we did the original Main Street and we had March and all those things that the task force was working on, I know that a lot of the information that got out did get out through KP. Got some flashback. And it's really good input as well.

Yeah. Council has an advertising and promotion budget. We try that when we do that budget, we try to anticipate what we have enough money there to do our advertising. So we can, when we're looking at our advertising and promotions budget, We can keep that in mind, Kathy, that maybe we need to, for boards and commissions, maybe we need to say to council, we need a little bit extra money for that. So we don't know where we're at this year.

I think we're... We spent more on elections than we have in a long time, which is a thing. But... because we had the sticker challenge.

So if you have something before they end up in here, you have so there's plenty of money in the reserve account right now.

So there's plenty of money in the belt in your guys reserve account at the moment, even if all of the grantees complete their projects. So if there's something that this group wants to do before the end of the year that requires advertising, you can suggest that you use part of the reserve fund for that.

There you go. would be happy to do that for you and expect you with the practice to be able to have a place in the community okay reading like good and city managers that i've done sometimes um So I would want to find a solution to how we can So when there is a project, and the city has a trigger and said, oh, we should think about and how we know about all the projects in the future

Well, and I think I'm going to jump in here, if I may. Yeah, so Nate basically said that

it would be beneficial to create a process that beautification has thought about as part of major projects, which, because sometimes a lot of the more beautification centric projects don't raise to that level of life health safety, which is part of the frustration that this group was dealing with. But I think on that note, and I sent this in my email to you all, Council just set their main priorities as projects and maintenance for this coming year. And there is a change in the city's revenue right now, which needs to be taken into account. Something over the last few years, that CIP list that you guys have seen in the past, that capital improvement process hasn't really been updated because they've been transitioning to a new software. So council is going to be having workshops specifically on projects in the near future. So we might be able to just ask council, can we invite the beautification commission to attend these project workshops so you're aware of what projects they're prioritizing and can start thinking about, you know, what aspects of those projects you could loop beautification in with.

And we could get that list, Elise could get that list to you.

Not right away.

No, not right away. But after they've worked on it. As Elise said, I think we're going to be doing more projects. I know we're going to be doing more projects than we have in the past, just because with CHAPS, our revenue is going to be increasing due to the valuation. So I think that, I know we discussed in strategic planning, council was given that heads up on that, that we're going to have to do or projects. I won't go into the whole thing about why, but if we don't use our money, then we hit cap with the state. And so we have to look at bondies in order to do that. And bonding does a good thing, right? Because bonding can bond for projects and we can get more things done. And so I think you're going to see an increased list of projects come forward once they look at it. More projects are going to come up on the list. So you'll have more things to look at, I think. So when they get, when they finish doing that, yes, definitely.

Yeah, and kind of with capital projects in general is what I referred to, too. There's kind of a pain point right now, right, where they're transitioning from Nate's spreadsheet, the massive spreadsheet that everyone seems to list, into a software called ClearGov that outlines it. And basically it's something that finance has been working on with capital facilities over the last year. So that big Excel spreadsheet that we've seen in the past is going to be in a software that has like a public facing component and it's accessible, but that transition hasn't happened yet. So that's kind of where we're at on projects generally and why it's hard to say hey, where's the list of projects? Because it's in transition.

The other thing that they're focused on in strategic planning, they talked about was that they want to focus on maintenance. Maintenance was probably on their list. And so a lot of the projects that you're going to see come forward are probably going to be maintenance related, but those probably couldn't have a beautification component to it, right? So that That needs to come to you guys. You guys can take a look. And if you think that you would like, you know, input on some of those, then that needs to come back to me. And so let's bring that forward. So, or council, you, okay. So let's talk about this. You are, you are council commission, right? So there's a process here. If you guys have, if you've gotten public input, you, have a project that you really would like to move forward, you've, you know, the city manager is aware, but you as a commission have the ability to come to council. There is, I have a space on the agenda at the beginning of the meeting when I have a commission that wishes to do that, where the commission can come to council and talk to them about, you know,

boards and commissions, reports and referrals.

No, it's discussion.

No, it's discussion.

If you have something that you would like to take to them and get their feedback on, then you have the ability to do that. You are their commission. The other possibility is if it's, they have a million work sessions, But you know if it's something of importance that you feel that this is, this is the work, maybe a work session that you as a Commission will invite to talk to them and then we can say. Last year we had. Several boards and commissions that did work sessions. scheduled one of the applications. So you do. You're due to have one anyway with them to just . But your council's commission, so you just need to let Elise know that, hey, we think that this is work session with council. We're ready. We've got public input on this. We feel we've got good support. We'd like to come and talk to this under the agenda. So we don't want you to feel like you don't have that.

And I'm going to jump in here too, because I think something else that's happened in the last few years, if you'll have an idea, we'll invite a subject matter expert who is a department head to come speak on it. And then they'll kind of shoot your idea down. which sometimes feedback from the subject matter experts helpful, they're not the final say. Again, you report to council, council is the final say. So I'm just going back to Meg's dumpster. When we heard from Dan, all the code enforcement stuff he was doing, and one of the ideas that came up on the project list was, why don't we have a rotating dumpster that goes to different communities on different days? there was kind of pushback from the public works director on this wouldn't work out. That's one person's opinion. Yes, he's the person who's in charge of that department, but also don't let that deter you too much. If there's something you really think is a good idea and you get pushed back on it and you say, no, we still think it's a good idea, go get public input, see what the public thinks. If the public likes the idea, bring it to Nate, bring it, bring it to me, bring it to Nate, bring it to council. So.

I want you to know that you do have that. You do have that direct.

Fine. If you guys feel like you're ready.

Thank you. Like we said, if you have somebody come to you and tell you can't do that or whatever.

Again, that's just a yes.

And if you feel strongly about something, then, you know, continue to move forward. You can say, thank you. Thank you for your time. You know, thanks.

This is something we have to mention as well. Thank you, Sherry.

Anybody else? This is a rare opportunity. Yeah.

So, yeah, just, you know, every once in a while, just take a look, you know, are we on track? Are we following what we've got in the code for this particular commission? And if you feel strongly about something that needs to be amended or something in here, then there's a process for that too, right?

And before you guys move on to your next thing, there is one thing I want to point out that's been on my mind in your in your powers and duties is the F, the consult with other city boards and commissions on their work as it relates to community aesthetics. There are some projects, and my Sarah's here partially. She's the chair of the Parks and Recreation Commission. So there are some projects on your lists that are parks and recreation specific or that would benefit from a conversation with that commission. Both Parks and Recreation and Ports and Harbors have master plans, and those master plans have beautification components. So there's an opportunity to interface with those groups as well.

And again, we can work with the chair of those commissions and schedule a work session for those commissions.

You know, something happened last year that is a good example of how, you know, we're not really on the front line or not the first thing people think of within the city, whether it's a department or department head. And the example I'm going to give is the flags that were put up on the poles on Main Street and also down near the harbor. And there was artwork involved with that. We weren't consulted about it, which, you know, there's no requirement for us to be consulted. driving down the street with my husband the other day, he said, well, so where did he tell us? And I was like, you know, that's a really good question. And I know the answer. And it should have been more of a community process. I would say if I were in charge of something like that, I would want to put it out to RFP, you know, to broaden the scope. i know some good artists in town i can just say you know you could do this for us but it's not the right way to do a public display like that and especially we feel a little bit of ownership on the on the plan post because we chose them and we got them as part of the project yeah and they've had some problems and you know the lighting and everything about them has been has got a little bit provide and we would love to see that the something that we all feel proud of and that it's made me proud of.

I think that's reminding some of our department heads that there is compassion. And so just reminding them that that is, you know, when you're doing something like with the lampposts, they're doing some, as you say, Catholic public art display or whatever, that they need to keep in mind. THAT THEY SHOULD BE COMING TO THE COMMISSION AND LETTING YOU GUYS KNOW THAT THIS IS OUT THERE. SO THAT'S JUST A REMINDER TO THE DEPARTMENT THAT MAY BE DOING THAT. I THINK THAT IT'S NOT EVEN IN THEIR, THEY DON'T EVEN THINK ABOUT THE COMMISSION. We have department head meetings. And so I think, and then I have, we have paints here. And so I think maybe us doing a better job of just letting departments know who might be down.

It slows it down, but there's nothing wrong with a slower process. If it brings pride to more people within town, but they feel ownership because they were part of the process.

Yeah. And it, you know, it causes, you know, If you do some planning on that, and you know that in two or three months is something that you want to do right, then really it might not slow down right if you if you write, you know that you have to get the Commission, you have a commission that probably wants.

Right. The other.

issue there because how you really have to you need to think about communication because you guys like when you're in the staff meeting you're not going to know their prime flag you know because they don't talk about all of this it's almost like the budget process should trigger this i have this in my plan I want to do this, it should be with unification. Because how do you connect those things? This is where we are disconnected because it's complicated to connect us and to know all of this because it's .

But if you know the particular department that is in charge of this or doing those kind of projects, then then that just should just be in their mind when they do something like that. So yes, you could say when you do budget, but some department heads just have money in their budget. They just have money in their budget, right? So it's not something that when we did budget, they said, oh, we have class that we're going to do. No, they have money for whatever. And so they just have a pool a month. And so they decide, you know, they could spend it on glass, right? So those types of things might not be specific in a budget, but if that department had noticed that when they're doing those types of projects, that the beautification commission should come to you, they should come to you, they can check with the lease, find out when your meetings are, and come to you and talk about that. Or we can get that information to you on your agenda, whatever. But the department, it's just, they don't do it purposely. They just don't, yeah, they just don't, it's not in their brain, right? So I can help you with that. And we can kind of remind them that the Beautification Commission has rolled.

So I think we need to do

a better job, probably, of getting that information out to the department heads about the commission. And it's just for us to find a way how we can remember about each other.

We'll have to. It's like a report every day. It's, you know, the commission is relatively new still, and we have a promoter ourselves, and we do that. It has to be a two-way thing. We don't want to, we don't want to act like we're both, like, I think we come, open that door, we come in. We want it to be a mutually beneficial. Yeah, it's just a partnership.

Yeah, yeah, you know, robot, your partner. They just have to get used to the idea that we have a beautification commission and what your role is and to keep in mind what they're doing. You know, when we have, we have projects and, you know, at least we'll be bringing you our list of projects for you guys to look at and provide some feedback on. So maybe this is something that the beautification commission, you know, might be interested in. or you feel it might have a component of your patient family. But as I said, department heads need to be better educated about the commission and what you guys do and what your role is.

It's amazing. Well, once we have a project that is so spectacularly helpful and wonderful and everybody will be so goofy.

That's right. And maybe you won't have time. But at least they need to, you know, let you guys.

For me, like, as I think about it, the only way to have a trigger for us to communicate is if the money sits in our reserve account. So the other people have to come to grab that money or say, I want this. on appropriators. So we can talk about it. Otherwise, I don't know. It's complicated. Banners are grant funded. Yeah, the money is going to trigger it. There's no other trigger. So if somebody has a pool of money in their budget and they sign something and they can send it on something, they're just You know, that could be something to consider. I mean, it's a bigger, a bigger picture, much bigger discussion. But if there was a reserve account for not this commission necessarily, but for art projects, it wouldn't have to necessarily come out of that project pool. If we've got the street to pay, then we don't have any money for, you know, trees or benches or anything. Oh, we do have that art reserve fund. I don't know how that would work exactly, but I mean, it doesn't seem like it would be rocket science, but it's different than what we're doing.

Yeah. You know, and that's something to consider because we're tearing up the street anyway, right? It's the same project. We're tearing crap up anyway. Well, maybe, you know, maybe there is a component there or, you know, to collect some treatments or do a, you know, a beautification.

I'm guessing meals is too late. So that's the, but for future payment management. Yeah. Yeah. So if you guys are interested in that, now's the time to go to chat as possible.

As I said, the council is looking at maintenance type projects. Streets, roads, you know, those are going to be on that. You're going to see the types of things on it. So yeah, so here is it. So if the commission is passionate, if you guys are interested in pushing that forward, then now's the time to start thinking about that, start talking about that, having those conversations with the staff. So don't wait. That's a big thing. That's a big one. So start a big project. So you can say, you know, if Fairbanks Street or this area here. That's what you'd like to see. So that's something you want to push forward and start doing it.

Don't wait until it's too late. Okay.

Come on, you guys. Unless there is other questions. But yeah, we just want to make sure. Look at what's in the but what's in the code about what the commission, what we're here to do.

And if we're not, if we're not, not doing things, don't feel that we're, we are doing those things, then we just need to get that communication out. There's ways to move. IT'S THERE. IT'S THERE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. is either that's now we'll push it forward i promise okay i'm gonna let you move on are you good or dive into our So our next item is . Which we all hope to . We know that a couple of our

Definitely, you know, we're kind of a long-term and, you know, like the town project, I didn't do future maintenance.

And the, like, boardwalk, funding sources, our town actually did that. But just to get your discussion started, where would you go? Start.

So very everything, and I can see it's kind of talk about them, you know, so far, I'm thinking one, I mean, personal one. My point is, in code enforcement, like I figured, why don't we just clean up that that would AND THEN, YOU KNOW, START WORKING ON THINGS THAT MAKE IT TOUGH FOR PEOPLE BECAUSE I FEEL... YOU KNOW, JUST... AND I KNOW SOME... THOSE OWNERS CLEAN UP THEIR AREA.

I THINK IT'S A LONG WAY.

But if I had to choose a project out of all these that I see, you know, that doesn't last for long, it expands out to deep. You know, because that area is really pretty.

And it's all driven great purpose that people... So that makes sense.

It's because I'm just like, I'm a real stickler for just cleaning up the cattle. you know, just clean it up and be responsible for your area.

But anyway, for what we can do.

I think, can I just make a comment really quick on the nuisance abatement? Bart Hinkle is now our interim public works director. If you don't know that anybody that doesn't know that. And so, um, Bart was saying yesterday that he visited like five of the major problem properties. He visited, actually, he went with Dan to those properties because, you know, we're trying to get that scrap metal barge built. And so I know that he did go and that they leaned on them pretty hard about getting the junk cars and the junk. scrap metal out of those areas. So I know he did do that. He made that comment yesterday. I think with Bart, you're going to see some major movement on that.

You know, I'm watching all the tourists walk around town last week and stuff like that. I said something to Meg before we started the meeting. I go, you know, I kind of like a little questionnaire of what, you know, how they feel when they're walking around town.

I'm like, wow. In that way, they don't have to.

Some of them were pretty tired, and I'm kind of sorry for people going in a direction where they're going up and down. So, you know, I try to send them to see everything and have a plan. But, you know, if we could get them a questionnaire, because they probably stop off at other towns, what would they like to see? How these, you know, posing cons or, you know. And I think that's a great idea, even if it looks like a DCBB or handed out Oh, you know, it's like coming in and off the cruise ship or something. And it's like, what would you like to see at the different locations? You know, how do you see those? It's very interesting to you that we could put here. Or they had like something and then they could take it with them. And then I'll go back to the ship and drop it.

Yeah.

Or something for the tourists.

Yeah. It's not a lot of children, so we could have some of the action from there.

I know it's a code, of course, for officers over 50 years. And when that was started, I'm sorry, it was cheap. And then they came in and asked them to darken. It's like.

I think people to respond.

I think that's, you know, it's probably still in consideration, which is that knowing that your town is going to stand behind you if you send your enforcement people out to, you know, slap people on buildings and to know that you're not going to just have a room on council night filled with ivory property owners. But that you have, you know, you have a huge amount of your population.

And having every little bit of support for that.

Martha was saying that she had 600 and some people go through the BCBB the other day. And so probably maybe the BCBB over here for the cruise ships, that might be a good place to have this QR code. You could do a QR code and a Dropbox. It would be easy.

It would be easy. It would take a little time to aggregate data, but... like the QR code, that data will aggregate itself. And then it would just be a question of someone inputting answers off of questionnaires.

It was not like your impression of .

So it is a good place. A lot of different kind of people. that 600% equals the Ruby Princess, which has...

So what is the question? What can you guys agree on? What would be the question that you would want to be asked if we did that? Do you have an idea?

What would be the difficulty that you run into, like, And that really is the only thing. And that's what's at the end of the heart of it.

What did you like? And then someone said something earlier, like, what have you seen in other communities that you'd like to see here? So that might be the big, you know, what did you like about it? What were your challenges? And then what did you see elsewhere that you think would benefit, Valdez.

So, we need to talk to them about how they, the interest of the, what are they doing in that?

We talked about, we find out, we saw it. But when the department took up the idea of the waste finding, they didn't move it over there to the dock. So you have to go help or they know that one time it's there. But I've talked to those that are clear down by St. Patrick's and like, now you need to turn around.

unless they're going to that i see yeah some of them are going to that some of them are going to like the homestead trail or they're going to the they have the trail so i'm in a point of order can we make sure we're going through the chair and talking one at a time everybody and i've been guilty of it too in this meeting but we need to all take turns talking so i mean

Our goals and objectives have always been varied. And I think once again, we have our duties and responsibilities, but what is our vision? What is our vision? Maybe one thing we could. Versus what we put. We do have a. That was. They have one. That's enough. And. And. They do it. Yes, please.

So, for me, the frustrations which people have is they don't know where to go because they're always directed.

It's open here. They don't know. We, I created it on my own. There's the four goals. And that is the goal.

And that's like, in some ways, it makes a real difference. And I think that's why people have coffee and like, it's enough.

It's good. But I just thought, oh,

um i think it would be a role of the visitor center and a good way to earn money to have to snap and then have different visitors there's a map i see people scanning it i it wasn't it's that where i've been

It wouldn't be good to have any distance. And I collect some data. Anyhow. So I think, honestly, there's lack of connections. There's not connections. The one place we sent them to is to the trail. It was a gift. This is my favorite. We also visited. He gives them a kind of vow and to say, I did this, this, this, and this. It's kind of finished. And that is the most important thing. Especially the people on the dishes. They don't have to go wander for two hours. They don't.

Do you want me to go?

No, you don't need to.

So Parkland does have a trail map guide. In fact, they just redid it and we've been working on it all year now, up and established They were just delivered literally this week. I saw the boxes in there. So they are getting those out and disseminating those. So we'll have those at the visitor center. I'm sure we put those at the visitor center and all over town and at all of the city buildings around town. But yes, and I haven't gotten my little eyeballing on them yet, but I know that they spent a lot of time making sure that they were branded properly, and were accurate. Because some of the maps up until this point still were showing some, like showing Shoup, which isn't technically a city-maintained trail now, that's a state, and Foundry's Adventure Alliance kind of helps maintain that. So this will bring it up to what is the state or the city trails. And I'm sure it has some other information, you know, bear safety, things like that. But that is brand new. They just came in. we're getting those and we're getting the digital one on our website and then we'll be able to do qr codes as well so that um you know when people come off with the the boat or um yes The city does have an account. We actually have a couple accounts with Pitley, which is a program that will track the codes so we can see how many engagements. We can also design codes so that specifically there are codes just for cruise ship that we can tell like, oh, there were 151 cruise ship clicks versus the whole 350 clicks from people elsewhere.

Yeah, if you could have one that you, for example, get to visit, then... Yeah, there are statistics that we can do that, and I will talk to Bridget about that as well.

Well, we got into, we definitely got into economic development there.

And it just, Sarah was, we were at the, it's kind of a big, had a good clip, but hopefully by, you know,

Oh, a lot of these details that really are a good orientation that has anyone who's interested in might have a business.

You know this mission. I wouldn't consider.

Working to have.

Anyway, we have a. We have one thing on this on the top of the docket, which is. Something that was probably. Currently, if I'm wrong.

Talk about and. I was just asking Sarah, have you guys

anything regarding the boardwalk to the Parks and Rec Commission. So I think that might be a good connection there.

Yeah, I am interested. I think it might be really good for us to have a joint work session between the two and talk about what can Parks and Rec help beautification with.

the numbers.

The board hop discussion, I think that's probably at Parks and Rec. If you could get them on board or have some discussions about what your ideas are with that, with Parks and Rec.

I have a question.

Do we have to figure exactly if there's something that we want? Yeah. It's in the month committee.

It's considered marshland, so we have to go through and make sure that we follow all the rules because with birds and fish and all that and where we put it exactly. Yeah, it's not like it would just go. Served right now, yeah.

It's wetlands that's made up. If you guys have, you know, if you could organize a work session with Parks and Rec to kind of have that discussion, and then staff could give you that information on the questions that came up there. But I think that that might be, that particular theme might be a really good topic for a work session with the Parks and Rec to get them on board with that. That's what you guys are looking at. Great.

So is there consensus from this group that that's a project you want to focus on? Okay, so this could be kind of your big project and exploring that possibility, meeting with Parks and Rec, moving forward with this as a larger project. You'll also want to just think about maybe a couple more manageable small maintenance needs and or smaller things for the commission to focus on. I will have to look at, it is eventually, I don't know which phase of pavement management it is in.

It's phased, so I don't know which phase it is in. It's an original. So. Yeah, this is what. Sounds. You should be able to. Probably. Yeah, yeah. That's probably. People that have. Wow. Yeah. Yeah, quickly. You have. So yeah, there's still a little much.

And Timmy brought up pavement management before, too. So it might be there might be kind of two parts to this is that you guys have all of the conceptual stuff for Fairbanks Drive and Countdown Plaza already kind of existing. But then the other component of that that Timmy brought up earlier and Nate kind of brought up when he talked to you guys before was the how do you incorporate little beautification things into pavement management as it goes street to street? So better sidewalks or planters or... trees or street lamps or those kinds of things. So that might be the other aspect of that. And it kind of speaks to that. How do you embed beautification into existing projects?

You're looking at, we're at, we're in phase four of this, that is phase seven. So you're, you're looking at, I would about estimate 2030, 2025.

But you have some leeway to get in and start.

Something that will be coming forward is what they're going to be doing with that, what we're going to be doing with where the pipeline club was, that property there. I know that Nate has been interested in that property. They've put together, they've given him a conceptual drawing of what they would like to see there. It's not firm yet. Okay. It's not in the phase where we're not quite there yet where this would be something that would come to you, but it would, it, It should and will come to you is what I'm saying. This works. They're interested in purchasing that property and they have put. I know what they would they would like to see there. Not yet. It's just kind of something they think that this is what this is, you know. We're not we're not. We haven't actually signed any any. agreements with them quite yet. But when it does get to that phase where they're saying to us, this is what we are proposing, that needs to come to you. What I have seen is just kind of, it was conceptual drawn, it's kind of an old town theme of where you have shops below and the theme. of it so again i'm not there yet but when we are that will come to you that's just my personal opinion that street is just on the beach because when tourists come here that's for a few minutes and then they drive into town so hopefully that will move along and that will But I know Bethany has been talking and working with them. As far as the other properties go, hopefully we have some tax incentives that are coming forward with House Bill 13 that just passed that will maybe incentivize some of those people who own those properties to actually build, do something with them instead of just sitting on them. We hope. We hope.

Thank you.

HB 13. Go ahead, Elise.

Well, so it's specific to residential properties, actually. So it's a state law that just was signed into law. The city has been pushing for it for a number of years, and it has a bunch of different optional tax exemptions, one of which is huge in that it It would basically allow the city to adjust primary homes down to whatever level we want it to. It takes off the cap in state law and says you can adjust property tax for primary homes as you see fit as a municipality. It has some other components of it, too, that are more... I'm trying, I'm missing the word. It's like, so there's things related to improvements of trailer parks in there. So you can get tax incentives for fixing up trailer parks. There's some related to rental properties. So if you're creating new rental properties, or if you're converting short-term rentals into long-term rentals, that's an optional exemption that's created. And then kind of the thought overall is if there's a, you know, bigger incentive to residential primary homes, then the economic development property tax incentive that we already have existing can be looked at again and possibly expanded or made more targeted. So.

So we're hoping, you know, to promote that economic development opportunities that we have. get that out there and try to move some of these people, incentivize them to do something rather than just sit on those properties. So we can help with a tax deferral or exemption with that. So anyway, we are trying to help get people to move. Yeah. Because having just bigger lots where people just park and travel.

I think you guys should push. You know, with that too. Oh, God. I get to work with them. But that probably won't be kind of money that he's to a project like that. There's some surveys. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. don't have that list and those are going to be but absolutely better to be presented for that agenda item sorry um that we would like to other public areas um but this is you know there's a few things that have come up talked about picked around i would like to you know 50 percent

that numerous times and it wouldn't it would be very small i would like to see that as part of the question and the questions to the public something secure I haven't talked to public works, but I haven't talked to maintenance. And one of the suggestions that they have, because we get a lot of snow, is like up against the side of the light. So we have a parking lot or a closet. And we'll be there for pictures. And we wouldn't get where, like, the seawalls, you know, loaders hitting the pedestrians. That's just a thought, you know, and I think we have more stuff down.

Yeah, we could put in the same example. In one of the cities, it's Erie, Pennsylvania, for those of you who don't know, we get a lot of snow when we get late at night.

So, and then Europe, actually quite fun. And one other thing that's, I don't know, it's just something that's been discussed in the past couple weeks is the mural. And the mural over here at the Royal Center, it was brought up during the luncheon that, by the owner of the building, that yes, he had it for sale. He talked about maybe putting apartments upstairs Or there was a few other options there. But that mural, it's been here forever. I mean, it's a photo op that people really love. I get so much pushback that the city isn't doing anything in it up. And Hoon had brought up that, okay, you want me to spend X amount of dollars. I can't remember what he said, but it was like $35,000, $40,000. And he could possibly get 50% back. But there's no revenue for and a lot of businesses aren't making ends meet or burying. So there's no revenue back. So would the city consider just upgrading?

You know, I don't know, something just food for thought out there.

including we do have our matching grant and that does include artistic additions to a building or a dumpster or whatever. But if there were a broader discussion about the city having a program that could be just applied for way on on the merits of, you know, where it's located, how much, you know, benefit would it, rather than just being an advancement to children.

I think whenever we've gotten the chance to learn other things, that's really, really,

I kind of feel like once you do an icebreaker room, once the other people in town see a refresh and see how positive it is, maybe they want the polar bear comment.

That would be a perfect picture. So, I don't know.

Speaking, you know, back to that one. I think once you break the ice with your neural, I think, and other people see it refreshed in town, maybe it'll start changing, you know. or at least get people talking, that maybe that's something I want to do on my own. So the thing we have to be really careful of is, and I've said this every time we talk about murals, or that mural, is if the city is going to spend money on somebody's building, it's their private property. I don't think that's going to make sense. As a property owner, why can't I? And I don't want it. I don't want the city. I agree with you on part of it, but wouldn't it be nice to be with us to say it's becoming a nice. Well, sure. I mean, yeah, definitely putting it out there. I think what we need to do, though, is have a process like we did, like we do with matching brands. It's not just I want this. It's, you know, that particular situation. it's pretty unusual in that it's the highly visible, that snow lot. I don't think we'll ever go away. It's that snow lot needs to be used for snow. And so chances are.

That shoes. And city.

Absolutely. So that's chances are good. That's always going to be. I think it's all from, you know, 180 degrees from the downtown. I mean, we can make it for support. Certain situations we would like to ask for that state on private buildings.

So I do want to remind everybody. So you guys did put a huge amount of work into creating a public art policy. In that policy, there's a definition of public art on private property, which is going to help you with a framework around a project like this. Yes, you have.

Yeah, it went through. Everyone had it.

yeah I'll send it out again but it's been officially approved by council and okay okay yeah so Elise can send that out to y'all again so you can take it again but regarding the Royal Center building so that building as you know is for sale And so I think, you know, doing anything with the building until it sells would, I don't know why you would do that because, you know, I don't know how you would protect it from, you know, a new owner buying it. So I think, I do know, I do know that the museum board has been having discussions about that building and whether or not what it would cost to renovate that building for a new museum versus building a new one. So I know that there are some things going on and some interest in that particular building. It would take a large, large renovation, but You know, you have to look at what it costs to build a new structure versus totally renovating another, an existing, you know, that one that's sort of an eyesore and not. That would be 10 times better, right? And so there's some things going on right now with that building. We hope that it would, you know, someone is going to purchase it from them. And then at that time, I think that that's where those discussions need, you know, and go with that particular mural. But right now, until it sells, which we hope it will. But that would be a, but if that does come to fruition, then I think the whole mural thing, I think that they probably would be interested in having that refreshed.

It would be, but fingers crossed.

Well, yeah, I mean, the museum has money, so it would be like a partnership probably with them. Yeah. But the discussions are. I know they're discussing that over there because they need a new museum and. That's an ugly building. No, it started before that, actually, the museum is just, you know, they're out of space and so they they That's one of the, if you're looking at that as a solution to that. So there's some things going on with that building, hopefully. It would be positive.

If this is what we're just talking about, just get involved. you know where that here I'm working on getting that kind of feedback well if we want to you want to open it open that door to other people should probably come a short list with description, and then right on the way. After, I think after we get a little bit going, probably we could use that to move on to sending out mail or whatever it might be. I think Flash Growth, to begin with, you know, We can do a gold rush table. Thank you. Any of them. I'm not sure where that. But can you. He said. So we have one. I've already. I've said something I want to. Yeah. trees are too fat, which makes sense. And people would smell so that they can. Yes, you would probably have to have a can. But if you knew the woodcon would appear there, we want you guys to put it down. And to see if we'll get it back or else, don't worry.

I had suggested it to Lisa, our admin, for our next meeting in July, which I believe is, let me just real quick, it's, we're the second Tuesday of the month, so that would, oops, where did that go? I believe it's July 14th or something. It's the second Tuesday in July. Yeah, July. So July 14th. I don't know if that's too soon for you guys. No, it's at what time? We meet at 6.30.

We meet at 6.30.

We do a work session.

We meet at 6. At 6.30? I believe when we do work sessions at six o'clock for a work session. And then we would just do our meeting after the one session. Can we go ahead and say that?

So I'll make sure my chair has come out.

That's the board one.

And we should probably have a little. Where is. Purpose. How the solicit. Obviously. Ask someone to. Or.

I'm glad.

I can keep it to a baby. I don't know.

The park that we went through in Canada was fabulous. And we saw the kids with little, you know, pieces of paper going around trying to find them and barking at them. So we had to take them back to their teacher and that kind of stuff.

We were trying to look into it all, but I think we only found that.

We enjoyed the self-awareness with the viewing platform.

It's like really cool, and then you have kids coming to see you. Yeah. We finally got to have a lot of water and food.

We should come up with that. Maybe we could brush up on those before they go. I don't understand that.

It's very important. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

Thank you.

long time. But it was something that would get people to damage that. That was good. We should go where it's the most visible, you know, going for

that just have access to you, that's all that you have to do. I think if it started over on the dump flats where the forestry works is, those of you that were sewer mounds, then we're not messing with the marshland, so that you can come around over to the museum or have surfing mounds on both sides.

I don't know how this works.

I don't know that we have people pressing up. Yeah, but both ways. I just firstly equal. I'm sorry. I see. We don't want to go.

so in the interest of time for you guys probably like with the boardwalk probably your next action so an action item on that is to schedule a work session with hearts and rep and they think that's probably what you that's that that's that's a step that needs to happen so um i don't know um what their agenda um looks like but i've already brought it So Sarah will bring that to them at their next meeting as well. And getting to schedule a work session with them. Now they meet in the evening. So you guys will have to sit.

I suggested our next meeting is July 14th. at 6 p.m., or we meet at 6.30, but when we do a work session, it's at 6. And I've already talked to Bridget and Lisa about a potential work session, so it's pretty easy for us to schedule it for July 14th with this group.

Is the board in the commission?

That's something you want to do with that? And then you guys can have that discussion in a work session and maybe they can. So yeah, so that's what you need to do with that. So Sarah will mention that to them, but July 14th is their next work session for their next meeting.

yes um like i'd love to say i feel like that that might be something that we could yeah and it's more to put it out there

Okay, yeah, and then pick a smaller project, if you can just pick a couple of those that we could move forward, that would be great.

Thank you. Thank you. Just to clarify, can you guys do July 14th.

Okay. Okay. And get that notice out to you for that. Just a reminder. All right. Then I think we can stand. There's no.

Hey, that's Snowfall with Erie, Pennsylvania.

One of them was there. I think it was 100 and some inches.

But I have some pictures. I'll just see that again. Okay.