Economic Development Committee - Regular Meeting

than you we were like we need to make sure Derlin or someone is here so that we know how to do soon pleasure we appreciate it um so it is 402 I think everybody's here um so this is the January meeting of the town of M start Economic Development Committee um first order of business reviewing Kathy's wonderful notes that she sent around from the October meeting any typos there oh hi Nancy Nancy thank you for doing take this chair for a second after meeting I sure gend ped aren't you'll be two weeks the rest of this my computer okay um so Nancy we were just going over uh Kathy's minutes from the last meeting and Carrie and I just realized we actually forgot to jot down what exactly those changes were were there were only two typos that were called out in our email discussion after the meeting I found one of those email one of them but I didn't I'm not sure what the second one was I couldn't find them okay so see but there were no substantive changes I don't think to the

minute no um um and do you know which change you did find Kathy I think I added an s on something okay all right I think Jamie found it right a I know those brain cells were long gone I okay um so do I have a motion to approve those minutes with the small typo seconds all in favor by by Wonder thank you and thank you Cathy you're welcome yes um okay so we're GNA just go through some quick updates some of these might be quicker than others um and then we'll get to a more substantive discussion around the winter Gathering Place topic that um I'm pretty excited about so quick updates Jamie and the skating ring well April is flown all the way from California try it out and um so the weather has been up and down but the last several days and the several days coming look to be wonderful skating and so there's a lot of people down there even right now uh the uh the the tennis courts have now been delayed until the fall or the late summer or early fall which is what it is I worrisome but um I'm assured that it's it's not a project that's going to take months and so we are hopefully on schedule for next year to have the other rink because this rink is wonderful but it's inadequate in these in these times

and so um other than that um no change from last time I did notice that they're down there doing a boore testing by the by the tennis courts oh great um it's something that they had to do for the tennis court repairs just to see how what's going on underneath since it's all landfill anyway right so that's progress very very that is y yeah I'm very hopeful Jamie I wasn't here at the last meeting but I noticed in the minutes that you mentioned um doing a a a community uh appeal have you made any progress on that because I had some ideas about that oh good no we haven't because um because the uh we we need to have the main thing we need to raise money for now is the warming Hut which we hope will be used as a in the summer for the tennis and paddle ball courts too and um we haven't gone through the approval process from the harbor committee and the board uh we're hopeful but we're not you know we're not and so we have sort of delayed any fundraising until we can say here's what it's for but I'd love your ideas anyway because i' like to get going on well when the time comes I'd be happy to have a chat with you about it I used to do that professionally so excellent yeah and I wondered you know I thought I thought one of the things that um you need to do even before you do a fundraising campaign it's to spread the word there have been some nice stories in the the B Harbor story and and that um quiets side did something a while back and there was there had been stuff in the paper but sometimes um you know not everybody reads everything right um but you know there's a captive audience twice a month at the community

Cafe and it might be a good idea to have some representative from the skating R there to talk to people maybe some materials it's just a place every body's there and they're standing in line for a while first so so you know it's it's an opportunity to do something I would think I think that's a great idea yeah even something on the table I mean you have to talk to the neighbor house make sure you're okay think yeah that's that with different groups like the nursing association I think theyve got like a blood pressure coming up at one of the cafes so fill up and then go get eat lasag EXT Sal go get blood pressure we've had we tried to have presents we had one at the at the Christmas thing but of course everybody ran to the neighborhood house for the for the supper and so yeah anyway or we can talk more when you get ready I was just wondering if anyone he a video of the skating room because that would be even better if he could just have a loop kind of video that's a good idea so when you walk in the door people are looking great idea seems to me Erica did some took some vide well there's some pictures I've seen a number but I haven't seen the video' be good sometimes we look at the nor Easter um Harbor weest to see if anyone's skating go oh guess the rink's open Catch into that if we can't make a professional video right but it would be nice I mean because I think a lot of people think visually yeah rather pick up so makes it feel alive so if that is all at the skating R thank you jimy um the Main Street projects at at

the last meeting um that came up I think some of the conversation um focused around whether there was going to be a phase two and whether or not your letter had maybe made any sort of a difference or Headway I did other people send letters did you have I I can ask georganne I can follow georan and what we're talking about for clarity is um georganne I think you were the organizers of this had had developed a letter to send to Consolidated cons Communications saying hey can you please finish this overhead wires project because imp they have Brian has actually had some contact with them and they have pledged to put that on their schedule now what does that mean you know maybe FY 29 I mean I have no idea but they that is now on Consolidated uh you know Focus so we we continue to to monitor that and then the other thing there's a little kind of a little Paving down more towards Erica wh's shop there that needs to be kind of flushed out to stop some of the puddling there another than that it's it's that's done those two things so that Paving thing will be done soon as it gets warm enough in the spring to be able to do that and hopefully the wires will be down similar because we're going to keep on consolidating when you come I mean it's a it's a half a day job at most I mean the sleeves are all there take them down run them through reattach there's really nothing else that needs to be done accomplish that and that will make I think a big difference see other than that don't have anything although I think you had mentioned that may there's a whole other phase two right of the

project feel that would be something obviously the select board would have to visit at sometime I don't think there's been any in engineering done on that so um there'd be a lot of preliminary steps and I think you'd have to they would have to politically gauge when the community's ready to go through that again but those rough plans are all there and could be brought out month walls at any time but there's no immediate plan not this not in this fiscal year and our Park lost its view oh [Laughter] yes I'm glad we didn't build that the thank you you're welcome um so another thing that came up at the last meeting um well actually first I'll let Kathy give any sort of a brief update on Workforce housing that she wants to give and then we can have maybe a a more detailed conversation about any sort of letter of support that it makes sense for us to send um so on the heway project it is still in the super Court okay the the appellants uh they went back to their original attorney so there was that little shift there so they have Grady Burns back they've changed law firms so that they could stick with the same attorney they had to begin with they filed the day before Thanksgiving they filed their brief to the Supreme Court I read through it and I found um no new information there at all uh and our our attorney is just communicating with me today our deadline is for Friday to deliver things and so both the town and Andy Hamilton's office

and our attorney Dan py will be filing uh by by Friday they should be and then the plaintiffs will have 21 days after that to file a response to our briefs so it's still in the court hands no movement on our uh we are is that is that the last as far as I know they there's no they can't go to a federal appeals court or anything like that get a this is the Supreme Court yes they're in the main Supreme Court not GNA go to the US Supreme Court days to respond to you that's the last that would be the last of it yes and we have not heard so far if there are going to be any in-person uh testimony or anything like that there was a brief arrangement for that in Superior Court but they had put it on the fast track and the business and consumer court so they could file everything by email and they met by zoom and um I my understanding is if they meet again in the Supreme Court it would probably be in person and in Portland so there's higher costs for everybody involved in that too um so in the meantime we are working away on plans for Summit Road and it's you know we had uh if any of you know Greg Scott he's a longtime summer resident tries to be here much more than just summertime here now he's here now exactly um his firm did the original two buildings for us but they were designed to be stick built and now we have gone through we're working with Showcase Homes of of Maine uh up in rwer and so he has we went back to him and he has retrofi the interior layout to be more modular friendly and so we've fine-tuned all those plans

showcase has the plans they are working out their cost calculations Etc but we hope that in January we will be signing a contract getting things done and they could have them delivered in uh by the second half of May of this year year this year yeah and so we are um we are waiting to hear estimates on the site work as well um and unfortunately um bed more you know go local first but Ben's not really available he's just too busy so we we reached out to gots and Goodwin and trying to get some estimates on that um but we're hoping we we our organization needs to make some decisions on how we're going to present this but it's going to be very much along the same lines as our plans for heel way two different owners it would be a Condominium Association we would stay engaged as a part of that Association they are the homeowners they share the land but they have limited uh common elements on there Etc and so they would be paying all property taxes Etc and we would have income caps um the same so we would you know as people apply we'll make sure that they're eligible that they they're approved for financing a mortgage that they uh meet income qualific that this is their primary home they're going to live in it for 11 months so I don't think we need to reinvent the wheel on all those declarations and documents Etc it's the same thing that we want to do elsewhere so but they're going to be very attractive houses um they are it's a a three-bedroom home facing Summit Road and then a two-bedroom home attached to the behind it and there's just one wall that attaches the two between the two back doors sort of the mud rooms uh that are connected and it's just that one so they are officially a

duplex and um and the other one would be facing the Nolan's house and so it's a lot of privacy we're we're planning to have full basements in there um you know they're going to be great sounds great well it' be nice too because that may help your cause with people that are fearful what these will be they can go by and say well these AR these AR exactly and is the design going to be are you using the same is the idea that the same modular company that's building these houses would also do get way I is there a way to say well look like this well you know it's interesting we um when we went to this company showcase which is the same one that Island Housing Trust used um we looked at three different options and had our board sort of you know make a choice and so I we do like this company certainly um the the model that we had selected is what we had planned to do on there all along and it's just it's part of the layout of the of the site Etc works for this model but um not necessarily the same kind of model won on the other property no but the houses that we selected for heel way we selected those and that that company because those houses look more like the houses down the street on Manchester Road you know I mean this just the the structure the stature of them Etc the the sort of double doors again they just look more like houses further down the street and we wanted to keep that look young we're not trying to change the character of the community or the neighborhood but trying and be consistent with that so I don't think what we're doing here would lend itself there but the houses that are there are going to fit they'll fit well if I'm

there so but um you know you can use the same company with different layouts Etc so if we find that this is a good company we might have them build the the format that we want for heel way so it's a good way to test that yeah totally and I don't know if you're interested in seeing what those houses yes looked like immediately yeah find um and and what I'll show you is because we have nicer visuals for um for what they were originally um and we're trying to yeah and we're trying to stick as close to this as possible so um let me get this as big as I can here oh nice really nice would you able to include an image of this in the minute oh look at that so yeah we will not have this kind of Dorma window on the new one but it would be we're sort of looking at sort of grayish colors that this house faces and it will have a a deck porch out there and the other one will have a deck porch facing the Nolan so so that they look like very distinct houses there and then if you can see it's just that little area there it up to the so Rick and J and Isabella oh it there okay it's very nice it is yeah and the the way that they attach here you can just see that little spot between but somewhere in my files here I have take a little breeze W on exactly you know it's the mud room in the back of the house what is the reason for making it a dlex because it's two different owners uh because you because if you do it as a

single family home and an accessory dwelling unit the ratio has to be 75 no more than 75% yeah and because we're doing it as as two separate owners on one lot right that's why we're doing it as a condominium right but uh duplex so that well first of all save space yeah um and um it it it's easier to do it is it okay than having two separate structures fit the zoning like two setbacks and all that do you need support the planning board on this does not have to go before the planning board at all this because it is just oh I don't know it is just two homes uh it is a building permit only cool isn't that lovely that's really nice refreshing yes um let me see if I have that's right that's great um somewhere in here and I I can include it in the the minutes when we do that but um I do have a closeup of the sort of the center of the a different angle of the houses so you can see what the mudrooms look like and so they'll be a little different from that but there's still it's it's going to be a very attractive house and you know it should fit that neighborhood well so that's where we so we're hoping we need to make some decisions and timeline but I think that what we will do is make an announcement once we clar you know finalize all of these plans and can say here's the floor plan here's a visual sort of um here's the application window these are the requirements so we just get word out and say we're going to start take accepting applications for this on this specific date and it first come first serve most likely um and so as people get their give people time to get their stuff in order and then put in their application and get it ready to

press the button on midnight you know so we can do that so we'll go through all of those things and then we can announce later who's going to be living there or that we have somebody Etc so have to do exciting well I have you know I have considered have gone back and forth between a lottery or this one and there are pros and cons to both right you know but there is something to be said about the Island Housing Trust model is a is a model that's familiar on the island for stter and and it works fairly well there is a consistency to it that works for both the organization and individuals you know your fear in line you know what number you are in line and so have a sense of are they ever going to build enough that I can get in there or not you know that kind of thing and it it means that somebody wouldn't just come in and have their number drawn out who's not been waiting for a year or two or something like that you know so so it sort of rewards being prepared and putting your application in and not the luck of the draw right yeah Mak sense so the people in line for heel way are they also in L for for this uh what we have been taking names and but not actual applications yet because we haven't set prices on it Etc but we have been accepting names and our promise to all of those people who have left their information with us is that we will give you advanced notice of when things are going to be coming up so that they can get a head start on getting themselves prepared to be able to push the button and say Here's my application so um so it's not one or the other necessarily because we haven't made we we're not able to make those available and we won't be for quite some time the um we've been going back and forth with with Kim keing because there is the one house that exists on the heal way property so once we are approved we

might be able to sell that house separately from the others the others all need the connections on the site work to water sewer power but the existing house already has that so it's not going to be waiting for all of the other infrastructure to be created so I is my understanding this point that we might be able to sell that house before all that other work is done and the house is going to need a considerable amount of work and so somebody the new buyer can get started on it without having to wait for everything else to happen so Kathy I have a couple of things um one question is that the 365 Supreme Court thing in Portland would it be helpful to have people there hard to say um I think it will also be available by Zoom so people could watch it will you let us know yes okay all right um and and that's if they decide to do it or not yeah so in the superior court level it was one judge and he had a series of questions that he wanted some clarification on from the attorneys so it wasn't just sort of a broadcast let me make my case all over again right it was answering specific questions the Supreme Court I believe has five justices on there and so it is more of a panel I have seen that when they do this they they often go around the state and sometimes at a high school so that there's public access to what's going on in the in the state supreme court and so it could be something along those lines as well um but it's unclear yet if they're if they're going to have that at all or uh when or where it would be and if there's any valued from other people but I will but let us know there are some of us that would drive to Port Lon why not well and spirit you know we discussed at the last meeting whether it would be effective or even there would

even be a point to this committee writing a letter of support for the heway project and there was conversation on who would that get sent to and Kathy I know you reached out and um chatted with um I don't know if who the town's lawyer or Mount D our attorney and did I respond to you on that yeah what did I say you did so what you said was what you said was um and I kind of wanted your take on what they said um is basically that at this point um support letters or hate letters are irrelevant um to the process at this stage um and he just described how support letters can be helpful um in you know bolstering board member support the development but that um you know at this point uh there's really not much right well I was the one who suggested we that this committee send a letter because the board of selectman sent a letter we sent our letter to the board of 365 because we wanted the board to know that we were 100% behind them and that we were supporting them if they were stting it it was at a time when we were afraid they were going to falter because it just seemed like too much too much too much so I I don't think it would hurt anything for this committee if they decide to if you decide to to um to write a letter of support to the board because I think you know it's tough they've been in this fight for so long and I think to know that there are people in the town and people who are involved in Economic Development who feel strongly this is a good idea I think that would be a shot in the arm so I would suggest that that's why the board of selectman did it are people comfortable or think it's a good idea for the committee to send a letter to 365 uncomfort uncomfortable yeah you better be I might I should probably myself not

write the letter myself you know yeah do not not jeopard um okay I wonder if we can tie it in with this new your new project somehow sure we're excited about the sometimes it only takes a few months to get a house built is there a move in kind of thought in terms of the the ones on road well I'm hoping that in September that somebody could move in okay because once it gets onto the site it's still going to take a couple of months beyond that to finish up all the Interiors add on the porches get you know the final Pavements in seeding grass Etc I think I you know thinking about this now now my thought is let's do minimal Landscaping let's let the new owners do what they want to do we can put up a little hedge between the two back entrances but otherwise it should be the people who live there plant their own things you know right so um so I don't think we're going to be doing too much Landscaping on there um I would actually one of my concerns is are we gon to lose that Big Pine there I hope not we might be able to work around it but then it's modular you need a crane to come in and swing these big things around to get there you know so hard to say what that's going to f so let's see but we're I would maybe September I I'm hoping that in September we will have move in ready yeah do Jen or Rick want to make sure you guys have a chance to chime in yeah I'm I'm here it's Rick and uh my internet is somewhat unstable but uh I'm I'm all in favor of what you're talking about I am too you need to vote take a vote it sounds like there's

General enthusiasm for us drafting a letter of support to the 365 board yeah so Carrie and I can get that started distribute it to um okay a quick followup on housing because the league of towns have a elected officials meeting last October which uh started the process of what collaboratively the regional approach could be taken and planning on having a followup meeting in April on that hopefully to come up with an action plan so I just wanted you to be aware that that there is a more than just a town by Town approach starting is very rudimentary and it's very hard sometimes to get something like that to be taken on in a group setting but that's our goal so in January we'll probably try to start the process of making plans for that meeting okay and hoping that once I get the dates I'll see if the they would have available again it was a good venue I think everyone enjoyed it so so anyway so hopefully by the end of the month should be get back to can book a date great thank you committee is more than yeah no definitely keep us posted on that thank you that would be great um so three other quick things before we get to the winter Gathering Place mini expenses CDC I'll do this super quick yes and we can we can table or or really truncate them every I think yeah so um just as a brief reminder we have enough money in the bank in terms of our general operating expenses to pay for 2025 expenses and 2026 but then

we're broke for 2027 um one idea that has come up in the past and we have tried unsuccessfully is to submit a third party request for funding the due date for that is February 7th for filling out that form I will be blunt and say that um my concern about trying n this year is that it was not accepted last year and I'm I'm a little concerned that we don't have a compelling ask for this year for one thing we have funds to get through 2025 so we could try again in 2026 for another thing we have the makings of our next project which is this winter Gathering Place but we don't have anything solidified around that yet so I'm a little bit I'm a little bit concerned about the Optics of going for a third party request at this at this point but just wanted to throw that out there just a reminder that you know the clock is ticking on our expenses draining down so if anyone has any quick thoughts on what's the what's the annual amount 3,000 about y we've got insurance um accounting Which is higher with the skating rank fundraising expenses um and a few corporate filings our annual report and our charitable organization license and then some miscellaneous stuff stamps Etc Jamie would something like this is could theou function here I was just GNA ask yeah I think it'd be a tough call okay um don't you darling yeah they did kind of crank you about right now but but you know um the sled board voted in favor of giving that funding it was the warrant committee that voted against now Megan you're on the warrant committee aren't you but um did we have uh a lot of representation at the warrant committee

meeting when they were discussing it because I think that really helped we had a few people Carrie showed up I think Jen showed up I think a few other people showed up I think in Dan's full defense you know um I think he it was so obvious that this should be accepted that it was sort of a not a half-hearted ask but it was a very quick sort of here's what we do here's what we need the money for we raised hundreds of thousands of dollars and you know Katrina and some others were like well have all that money why was off you know in the delivery of the ask which I don't think he he expected I think you know Dan is wonderful but he's a lawyer not a Salesman you need you need somebody pitching there and I think you know it's worth a shot it's 23,000 yeah um and you don't have to open your bank account to them you know but I think that um this committee is performing a service for the town and for the people who live in the town and the people who work in the town and I think that it's appropriate ask hey you might get shot down but so what is there a risk to being turned down two years in a row does that set up a pattern that no I don't think so I you know okay that was my concern yeah other but I but I would say really um you know at the warrant committee get get get people there and have them yeah and and I think if it's three if it's just these are our expenses that's all they are yeah and do we have to say how much we have can we I think it's better just to leave that out the financial State that's right you do but it's pretty yeah yeah yeah well can't look too great we don't have to say it no exactly we need it for expenses for a town committee yeah well there's no obus

station because there's this skating rank account which is completely separate from the that was okay that was people were confusing yes okay so I can we have all the dates of when I think the third party requests is sometime in February I I'll email the up due February 7th but just for for folks to I think it's the we're doing it on the 20 what is it dering do you remember the 21st and the 22nd 2 something like yeah are there two nights too many Yeah Tuesday February 25th this is on the Forum Mar you said it passed one committee but then it it passed the select how many committees does it have to go through well the select select board looks at makes recommendations on the warrant and then it goes to the warant say yes no okay yeah so you could have a split recommend recommendation and that gets Deni yeah well goes to the town Meer everything goes to so what you would have is you have two recommendations on that warrant article the board of selectman recommends passage the warrant committee recommends not pass non passage and then the town has to choose the town votes and then there's some heartfelt speeches so can work on getting that uh third party request and I'll plan to be there with Carrie because I can't vote on the you know for this anyway so you know we can figure out a plan for I can't you can you're a volunteer get anything out of this all the third party requests yeah you can vote also this year I mean there was a reassessment of real estate this year right so the town

should feel a little flush this might pass the 300 300 million so there's got to be a place in there for $3,000 yeah I I think I I think it was the the tone it was was we started about four months ago with 250 million or 2.5 billion I should say yeah and then we went a couple months ago we hit 2.75 and now we've gone over three wow so it's just Exel increase that's in the value of real estate so I have a legal question um Megan and Kathy and I are all on the warrant committee and we've been accusing ourselves but we have no financial interest volunte have every right to vote okay more and Jamie do you know was there much money raised in 2024 or was it all before that in 2023 no we raised a bunch in in 24 okay yeah wasn't for the committee it was no no it's for yeah exactly the confusion is right thing is that they it's inevitable every year the biggest bites are for the smallest amount this you know school budget or this but without a blank but then $3,000 what well we will do our best to help looking out for the Tex present it well we'll let everybody know the 25th I believe we'll send around meeting date it's interesting you know I'm that I'm not predicting it would happen necessarily but it could come close we could drop a mill rate from $930 to below eight wow that would be nice people would be happy about that that be great that would be good so let's you know I I think that's a long shot to get it blow away but I think it

could go in anywhere from like 805 810 unless there something blows up you know at the schools that I'm not anticipating so it's going to it's going to drop you know significantly one way the other good year thanks for the input so okay we have our plan for that we will keep folks apprised um so very quickly comp plan uh the comp plan committee met back in December sort of an official kickoff um we didn't really do much we just met with nol and Suzanne the musim group they're helping us um get the ball rolling um we're going to be doing a survey that's going out I think in February happy I think is what suan thinking um so sometime later this winter early spring um and then there'll be some Community meetings and different focus group chats and and a lot of work to come uh we're just sort of in the planning stage at this point but the ball is slowly slowly getting rolling on the comp plan and I think ultimately it it is something that has to be approved by Town voters at the town meeting in May of 2026 but we would have to have our work done by February of 26 because it has to be approved by the state before it can be finalized and included in all the warant issues yeah so just a little over a year um and I'm sure n made a comment about uh um uh working with or coming to one of our meetings um just a you know sort of a collaborative thing the CL committee so that would be awesome folks surprised of that um few quick membership things before winter Gathering I think we should just mention that we're Megan and I are working on a recruitment strategy ail and Rick have some ideas about summer folks and um I kind of want to leave it at that so we

can talk I mean that's basically in yeah that's where we can update you by email on but things are happening behind the SC because I want to talk about winter winter Gathering Place because we have some guests here who are interested in that topic and um as a brief thanks for running through all that may that was awesome um so as a brief update one of our one of our um topics of Interest that's come up over the last few months is hey the nor Easter is closing this winter what are we going to do for a winter Gathering Place and uh we've had discussions in this room we've had discussions by email um there seems to be a fair amount of energy around this topic some of us have done some reaching out Nancy has gone and talked to the library about the idea of Reviving a cafe I think we should have a big party on the Sunbeam um Matt has Matt has some updates on what's going on at the neighborhood house this winter I did a little survey uh at the um Christmas festival in Northeast Harbor and um I got eight responses which I was thrilled with it was just like a little piece of paper um that said you know tell us about your ideal Community winter Gathering Place one of the people who responded was Isabella thanks for joining us here tonight Isabella um and a quick summary of those responses is that people want like an evening hangout space um that sells coffee that sells beer very much like a neighborhood Pub maybe books or games a lot of people mentioned um maker space portable Hobbies joining to work on projects together a warm Vibe um trivia but a lot of the a lot of the details is you know basically described like a neighborhood

a neighborhood Pub so um that's sort of what's been what's been happening so far there's are there's also been um some interest in in bringing the COA students who live in the mount Desert Center in on the conversation and trying to understand what their needs and their interests are in terms of a community winter Gathering space and my sense is that um there's a lot of energy around this idea but we don't really have an organizing strategy to to bring It Forward I don't think anyone has stepped up to sort of be a like a leader on this project um so I just wanted to bring us up to date on the conversation that's been happening so far and um I know Matt you have some updates and then I know Nikki you're interested in this topic if you want to say anything and Isabella if you want to say anything or ask any questions I'd love to hear from others on this topic should I just yeah goad so um at the neighborhood has we I think sort of word has gotten out um to the summer Community even that that you know oh we don't have a place to gather um during the winter and whatnot in the evenings um so we had um a donor and former board member contact us and say Hey what if I sponsored a couple parties this witer um well you're clapping I'm not because I know what that means for my work so um but she was very honest I don't want to afraid extra work for you so I was thinking like could we even do a cater or something so this was just before Christmas so we haven't had a lot of time to sort of hash things out um but it would be we don't want to just do a community Cafe at night because that's you got take out and it's just and if we were just to do like a sit down dinner we're limiting it to like 100 people so

we were thinking like just a lowkey come as you are after work like cocktail party um we could have some more derves um maybe a little bit of someone playing the piano or something um you know this time of year you know cocktail attire is like two sweaters and that sort of thing so that can be a problem for people because one of the the big thing is um you know you don't go through Northeast Harbor you have to come to Northeast Harbor and I will tell you from being at the neighborhood house for 20 plus years doing evening events I mean we do evening events uh periodically but you don't get the turnout because once people leave town at the end of the day they're not coming back especially when it's dark out and then you also have a large contingent of seniors who say well we don't want to be out driving at night um so you you do have to contend with that but so we've got at least one I don't know dates or anything like that my guess would be sometime in February and probably again in March we'll do a couple of these um so you're thinking like like 430 or 5 o' something 5 to 7 or something like that like we don't want to throw like you know live band and people getting drunk or anything it's just going to be like a low-key casual thing come on in um if we got like a caterer with an inkeeper license like we could do complimentary soft drinks and stuff if you wanted a beer or a glass of wine you could buy that from them so we'll see what happens okay sounds great um yes I applauded when you mentioned that idea because it seems to fit with what I've been hearing people are interested in but you you have some caution so I I would encourage you to be honest about well the other thing I would say that we we're very Northeast Harbor Centric group right if you wanted a crowd I don't know where you would do it maybe Kathy's house you would do something in somville because that You' got the you've got more people in somville in pretty March than you do here in Northeast service you have to like give them a really good reason to come back into town after their work day

so I was surprised last night I went to the play reading in southwest Harbor the library started at 5:30 and I thought yeah I'll get there you know I'll get there at 20 after and there'll be plenty of seats the place was packed and it was old people mostly and I mean we were it was late 5:30 still going when I left they were going to discussion is going to be after 7even um but but you know it was packed with people and a lot of them I know a lot of them they they'd come from some distance so I I think there's so much hunger for something to do in the winter I bet you could get something I ran into a guy um I don't know if this interests this group or not but I ran into a guy at the Book Festival up in Bangalore and he has this outfit it's a nonprofit that he goes all over the state and for free gives Community dinners where people can tell stories if they feel like it it's a very in I thought he's a really nice guy and um he's done it all over the place it's a whole thing you know you have to organize everything anyway I brought the materials for you guys to look at and I thought might be worth exploring maybe not for this winter but in the future it just look like or we do our own spin-off of it but cool called setting the table I think that that story concept can be really fun when I was living in Bangor a bunch of like the 20 something or whatever organized basically like a a moth yeah right like you go to a bar and we would you know open m yeah yeah Open Mic for stories and it was really fun yeah I said what do you do when with the one that won't shut up and said well we have systems so he get us all over the state what would it take for us to actually get him

to fund at one of our give him a call talk to him you know I mean if somebody wants to can I can I take it in a different direction and this is not at night because we have customers that come in all the time and they want to place to have lunch lunch there's no place to lunch there's no place to to sit down and have a cup of coffee Terry has two seats now but I mean it's a different it's a different direction and it's a probably a different clientele yeah but I think that would draw us someone I mean if if things were open and one of the reasons we're not open is that there was no place for people to have lunches that was that was the thing I noticed that that they made such a push the chamber for that downtown right before Christmas right and I went down there was there weren't but there was no place to eat yeah I know and and so it's not a destination then if you can't go and have a cup of coffee or hot chocolate exactly or sit down and or arrange to have lunch with a friend or something like that and the same thing for the guys who come in town to pick up a sandwich quickly efficiently you know and just go about the thing or whatever and there's V and and V is good for what it is but there's a need for something other than that a place to sit so this is more like like a restaurant or a cafe model sass is a yeah yeah but there is a big need for that I think I mean but I'm not sure you can just take it at this time of year and throw it in there I think it has to be in the making did you know that um ft Browns is trying to have coffee and donuts available but they have SE they have that bench they have a couple of benches

and if you're walking by they have a couple of benches in the window and so I've met with several people there Jamie was one of them you know you sit and have a cup of coffee and people go by like hey come on in have some coffee know that yeah they just started it and you know they would like to have it take off but it's an indoor place I mean if they and they have food in the containers there they don't have I'm sure a food license they can't do a whole lot right but it you know long term I think they would love to do something like that oh really yeah they're PIV everything yeah they have Donuts we have about five Donuts well and I I think that comment Nancy gets at something that georgeanne sent to us um she was hoping she could be here today but um I think it's a larger discussion um about you know we're having this topic of the winter Gathering Place but we really need to talk bigger picture about why don't we have a winter Gathering Place what are the what are the business conditions exactly and there are expenses there that it needs to be an easy easy parking easy to get too yeah like the museum I I have no idea I mean that's closed all winter um is there any way that that could be something like that I don't know I don't think there's any no heat no I mean that can be rectified right there used to be heat pumps yeah exact well what happened to the heat did they just turned off the boiler the building and then they never used it in the winter so you know the system may have been decrepit and they just their own but is it forever a museum now for the moment lisais they own the building no the town owns the building right

no they have they have it as long as it's a museum and they keep it up isn't that the deal they don't even have to keep it up I thought look at it again looked at it recently and it seemed to me they had to keep the keep they have to keep it as hey Isabella do you have your hand up or is that just a is that just the mouse on the screen see that little hand I have it somewhere mous it's just mous okay got it thank you for putting that out so I'll sort of tell you what we're doing over on Tracy Road um I have a I'm in the bright side boat building yeah so we have a lot of Studio space and um last winter we started doing something that was an offshoot of what I have been doing at artwaves and we call it gam and cheese and gam is a wailing term for a chance meeting of two ships at Sea and so it's basically just to drop in make like bring a small project sit Comm be in work and I have enough space to seat Well we haven't overflow yet but you know like a to 10 to 12 people depending on what you're working we've added some more space in another Bay um I haven't advertised it really widely yet I've been sort of just word of mouthing it but sometimes we've had eight people show up on a Sunday I've had there were two people last Sunday but I do it Sundays from 10: to 1 and I have some supplies that anybody can use if they come mostly people bring a small project to work on or they Avail themselves of like the sewing machines that are there or some other things like that you have a sewing machine there I have many how long you there maybe enough time multiple sewing machines Sundays

you're on Sundays from 10: to 1 and it's um it's 11 Tracy Road Pink Door cheese scam and cheese call G gam yeah gam and cheese is there cheese cheese is there cheese sometimes I bake I mean I didn't it felt like that was too obligatory but like sometimes I people bring chees but um I mean certainly open to again I haven't really advertised it because there's that little fear in me that like what happen to 30 people show up chairs yeah but I do think it's something that like perhaps if the neighborhood H Center had a little bit of financial support it's something that like that idea could spread over there you have more space you have tables make that's something I can help organize over there we we have it's fun like even still at this time of year we have like a marang group that meets like for two hours every Monday you know so like if you know of anybody oh we've got this little group that whether it's you know color pencils or that idea is easily transplantable I think you don't need a lot of equipment I mean lots of people bring you know just enough to sit and work on something so and I and definitely people are excited to come they're excited to be out and I do it in the daytime because the people who were coming before didn't want to drive at night and I do it on Sundays because it's usually the winter I'm not working on Sundays so it's sort of worked out but um I think that's another I mean I totally agree about the lunch place like got to be so great place we used to someone but um I think that's this is that's another way to build community the are those little project basements and you're all welcome Sunday 10 to 10 to one Pink Door wow so I don't want to what goes on in that building is that where you live yeah um

my husband and I are both artists and we moved here because of that space um a friend of mine bought that building and so you use that a Studios the first and second floor primarily Studio spaces um Caitlyn Miller uh has her Kil there and she fires her Pottery we have a second Kil we're getting set up and hoping to be able to do some Ceramics soon um my husband is a Works in colored pencil and his studio is on the second floor and then I work in lots of different materials so I have like a clean Studio on the second floor and a messy Studio on the first floor and then we live upstairs that's great wow yeah it's a magnificent space yeah and that's only one wing of that u-shaped building only yeah and and really primarily my problem with making it too big there is that I can't park there so I actually donate money to the nursery school so that people can park at the nursery school because I can't inside of my lease have a bunch of parking there so that's another reason why I've sort of tried to keep it small but again you know this is an idea is not some ring thing that I came up with you know at at artwaves we called it witch Stitch and it was just whatever project you were working on it it doesn't take very much to set up I mean I think we had like four rolling carts and two starting machines and we had you know people coming every week so if it was something that wanted to get set up at the Neighborhood Center or somewhere else be happy to help do that can people come without a project just to chat and socialize or is it very project focused are working on something I sometimes someone comes and but usually somebody's you know got a little they're mending something or they're working on a piece of upholstery or they're meting or

they're um somebody was making be houses one time I um we're trying to do some other kinds of things like we've got some SOC screen equipment we're trying to work The Kinks out of so people can like you know do a soap screen project and I've got a little letter press set up there so try to sort of just make things available for people to engage in something that's great so this sounds so much like the maker space that we were talking about years ago same building what a great no you got it going I'm just saying what a great community resource it's really it's really great to well and I mean I'm interested in that's like I've built Community programs wherever I've lived and you know we're trying to do some of that stuff up at the Museum and actually the thing I was going to say about carollyn Gage's thing last night I couldn't get tickets to see it live because I waited too long and they ran out of tickets but I mean she did some lesbian theater um over at the Historical Society we had 40 people showing up if something like that were to happen at the neighborhood house in you know in the winter I think you'd pack it I mean do too she's just she's working with a great group of actors I thought the piece last night about about patri Bron was really well done um I mean maybe lesbian theater isn't for everybody um but I mean also those programs were incredibly in inventive and intense and really interesting in there about main authors so I think too just digging a little deeper into what we already have going on in the community um she she got a good crowd of the historical Last Summer She we had close to 40 people I mean we just had her out on the fiia no AUD no amp no audio Bare Bones and um we were like a close to a packed house yeah she did four different place

for us so um and they they're minimal to produce she pays the actors which feel strongly should happen but that's not a fortune um and lots of people we put out a donation container and people donated bet she'd love to do something the neighbor I know that she I immediately signed her up for after the perform we've got a pretty full schedule you we're so I'm wondering what you know where should this conversation go next and what is this committee's role in you know Gathering our arms around this idea and and moving it to the to the next stage do you have any thoughts on that Meg yeah and it was based off of something you said as we were leaving the last meeting we were talking about um this committee role as like a facilitator and what we did for housing we just brought everyone who's thinking about housing together and had a conversation and it spurred a lot of things and does it make sense for us to do something similar around this idea of like community and a Gathering Place folks Neighborhood House the library folks like yourself who are you know actively trying to do some of this work I mean I didn't even know about some of the stuff that the library has been been doing we didn't know about gam and cheese um you know doesn't make makes sense to bring a bunch of people together just to see what is happening and find ways to scale it or change things or whatnot or is there something else our committee do you know it occurs to me that there are a bunch of different things but the theme is to bring people together in the winter time ex and that the idea of yes home SCH might be good the the building in Otter Creek might be good and that it should be something that kinds of moves around because people are in different locations you don't want to traff too far but if we could pull all those things under the same umbrella and give it a name and a schedule of what to expect

something like the Movable Feast or something like that and pulling information and just getting word out about it people might gather more frequently I feel like there's something a real a dedicated one spot hard to do I know but yeah I think it could happen you know but I wonder if small scale I wonder if sort of demonstrating that there's interest in gathering you know through a series of sort of experimental popups this winter could be shown to to a a caterer or a cafe owner who would say sure I'll come and do you know n a when when there's not the Community Cafe you know maybe they come alternate weeks or something and do well that was my idea that if you had a spot and I was hoping maybe the town would help us find a spot or be willing to contribute into a spot and then you could have various Caterers use the spot and pick a day or maybe they do Tuesdays all winter so it wouldn't be huge but it would be interesting and changing and um and then maybe um with what we earned from selling it we could um pay the people to run it there we somebody could run it the person there would be a person there has to be somebody has to be a champion you know what occurs to me um in addition to the other spaces we've talked about the both churches have nice kitchens and nice Community gathering places and they're not as big as the neighborhood house so it's you know if not that many people show it's not disappointing but they're they're both you know they're both pretty centrally located and they're both they have nice kit and they're both really nice they are and they're not St they're not used confence if you thought that that would

we don't have a but we have a microwave and another it's nice to have a kitchen though especially if you're talking catering and that kind of thing I think I still think it needs to be a central location where people don't have to go upstairs problem and things like that that a place on Main Street is ideal if we can find anything I wonder if working I wonder if working with the chamber on the popup Lunch Cafe idea would be a good strategy right and and other Island businesses who are not even necessarily part of the mount dessert chamber but maybe even someone who's trying to get something going in Elsworth would want you know yeah but like I wonder if working with sort of business associations on the restaurant idea would be a good strategy and then kind of what Kathy was saying about just like let's make a list of all the things that are going on like hey think this town is dead in the winter well guess what there's Community cafes there's a um a pop-up cocktail hour twice this winter there's gam and cheese on Sundays there's like ma right probably bridge to there's probably the Friday night thing at the library yes the the open mic right the open mic coffee house right like if you want if you actually put it all together on a calendar it might just give people some sense of and you know that is Carrie Jones interesting you know her the Bar Harbor story but she likes to do those events things now she does everything on the whole island but I bet she'd be willing to do a special you know Northeast Harbor thing I me she's very good about bringing people together like is it legit to request to a journalist like hey can you do a special series you know looking profal lovely

that talking abouty I think she would be happy also isn't that something our chamber should be doing you know publishing right this is what's open this is what's happening great idea I think Geor is trying to do GE is trying to do that you said that Eliza Bishop was interested she also has a space with the kitchen that's true well I think she'd be willing to participate right but could we talk to her about is it use her space and she would she do it I I apparently not because she's not doing it but she was doing could she be persuaded to be open day a week one day a week for lunch or something probably I I almost think she could but we kind of need to I we need to get we need to go there we need to go and eat something is her space he yeah yeah she's open Christmas you know for the yeah no I think I don't think she shuts the whole place down do you no it's hard because she doesn't have a lot of indoor space but but you know what it's it's fun it's a fun space it is a fun yeah and for the crowds we're talking about I mean she can crowd is people right I think she needs a break I mean I think every rest one day a week she might exactly be interested yeah we could s but that's when we get everybody together wouldn't that be a good question yeah she didn't seem she was enthusiastic about getting something how surprising yeah so I'm I'm thinking there's this there's this Lunch Cafe path there's this stakeholder

meeting path yeah that I think it's more maybe in the future yeah I mean it could be now too but I think um it might also go hand inand with developing the list right like may we start making a list and then it's a conversation and there's a cocktail party yeah right and that's an opportunity when you're there to talk to people like take the mic and say isn't this great we should be doing more of this what are your ideas well people after the the um the dinner at the neighborhood house with the band that was that was packed of course that was a fundraiser for the high school so you ruin a lot of people for that reason but I knew a lot of people who don't have a student who were just there because it seemed like a great opportunity and I heard probably 10 different people say don't you wish we could have this every weekend now Matt is like sweating Erica Erica Mitchell Des she did for like three days just busted her you know what to get that together it takes a lot of work it takes a lot of work we're not you know we're not saying like oh weave have your wand and someone will we'll do this so I mean there's a reason volunteers if you spoke up at this cocktail thing yeah you know because you got them if you get them there then you grab them or Caterers not even volunteers but Caterers people who are in the business who don't have much business at this time of year right that's true you know you would like to some people don't have business as time of year don't want to but there are people who would like to have more business at this time of year I think we should also look at the firehouse the firehouse the museum sorry I'm sorry I back but I think that's an ideal oration and that's unused and that seems wrong does it

have no I don't think so no I mean years ago we had um like a restaurant tour take a look at that building this was probably 10 years ago and I mean it was going to be hundreds of thousands of dollars but it's literally it's like the perfect it's right what are you talking about the museum the Museum oh yeah I don't know that the museum knew we had someone there was when they when we when the town V I wasn't on the sideboard when the town voted to to let the museum had it there were a couple of restaurant people here wanting it that well it's so it parking's good the location's wonderful it's got that Terrace in the front seating and it's not used all winter and you know with the heat pumps and things like that must be some way to you get those M he up this whole room in um I just talked with Tracy abman and she's not going to be coming back and that so that space might actually be a feasible location to do something if johnon would let us do it because it's pretty TurnKey at the moment great location yeah it's so it's it is pretty pretty easy space to go in and use I think [Music] inang restaurant incubator like a restaurant incubator like is there a college running a restaurant incubator is there the technical college yeah the tech college has once a month like if you could get the space one two three would be amazing

you get the space and you could get a group of students and faculty who could get behind that who are doing that anyway need the experience that's a kind of like low stakes for them fun for us I think I love that idea that's great idea that's a great you're thinking more of a night maybe during the day but like attach it to a college where students are learning this skill wonderful and if you could get the space if Trac is not using it or whoever it belongs to would let that happen it's kind of a it's great publicity for them it's yeah great opportunity for the students kind of win-win all the way around and maybe all they could manage was one once twice a month maybe I mean I don't food stuffs are hard like the idea of asking someone to come in once a week like I know how what that to my refrigerator right so can possibly buy all the stuff it's gone but but I do think that if there are colleges I mean people teach there's people learning how to cook there's restaurant food service things Hospitality all of those programs like I used to teach at a college in Pennsylvania and we had a it was called the chef's table and the entire Hospitality student area in the winter time twice a month seated 400 people a night it was like every town crushed in and ate dinner it was great great experience would be worth a discussion with John I would think see what so too you know initially what we were what what his plans were originally or at least what he communicated unfortunately it didn't quite come to fruition he was envisioning an actual year round type space where you know parents could gather in the morning they cut coffee after dropping their kids off would be open for lunch you know you have to be realistic that in the winter yet maybe

you aren't open for dinner multiple nights a week but um it would be worth a conversation it with him and you mentioned sasas earlier which I haven't been to but I've heard very good things about like could something could we connect John with someone who might be interested in doing something like that on a year round or semi course they just made that space into their but they're not open for dinner and background background is catering right right so absolutely they might want to do something like this right at least at least from time to time to time and if we could get people in that it it didn't overwhelm them and so they had time off right which I think people do need after the center well Ela Eliza would be another yeah I mean she cat my Christmas thing was I've always thought that a um prepaid lunch thing would be you know we people have ordered from milk and honey and other places Salt Market to pick up on a Friday what if we had an opportunity for people to pre-order their lunch once a week or twice a week so there was not a lot of food waste from whoever was doing it that week I'm a huge fan of that Friday night Pi yeah I mean it could also be like coffee and drinks and things that are easy to provide and you don't lose a lot of money if it's quiet and then at lunchtime you've pre-ordered it I don't know no that's a great idea Jen that's great let's start making um some action steps because I know we need to put the brakes on and and get out for the next meeting yeah exactly so who knows who knows John Boon the best I'm sorry I to interrupt I just wondered if who knows John Bon the best who could talk to him anybody I don't know him really at

all talk him many years I I just I know I'm a little bit but not I I don't I've never met him but I did get some money from him for the so have a good go ask him for more yeah email yeah that' be great sorry interrupt and that one what is that a c asking John about what about his space is that Jen is that is that common knowledge that that uh one two three is going or I mean can I say that yeah Katrina told me that she thought so and then I asked Tracy directly and she said y the the Christmas festival was her last day ever y oh wow well if you do write to John Bon I think incorporating something of with your original Vision Rising TI having a year round Community we're looking for that the communities yes since the nor Eastern closed was there any possibility of that space being available no I know nothing about that that's I would need that I understand from from the people in our group that that was your intention you can say that you can say that this group us yeah this is us okay but maybe people he was he was passionate about the idealizing breiz he was he was very involved for a while so this would be completely consistent with what he wanted to do right and and now it's needed more than ever if Jamie wanted to ask someone who knew more about the vision for a little more detail before he does the ask would that be okay call either one of us yeah yeah okay um that's great thanks for

volunteering um I volunteer to um look into whether there is uh like a restaurant or catering incubation program with students who might want to come down and do a popup there is one at UTC it's a United techn Mandy Fontaine who's Bar Harbor catering which is probably the best yeah most wellknown cater she went there yeah okay yeah just just to even see if that would be even within the realm of possibility of something that could go in the Mi and I also volunteer to um start making a list of all the events that we can maybe con convey to Carrie Jones at Bar Harbor story um yeah and we can share that list yes I'll share grou that's a great idea yeah and ha is too maybe that we could possibly yeah just yeah it's sort of a yes exactly right yep well and if you had access to that space you might find some folks who do food trucks in the winter time used to too so I had a walk-in kitchen you know maybe a little winter side hustle warmer right warmer inside but I mean that's another besides just Caterers there are some pretty established in trucks in the in the area like quiet side snacks uh I don't know there's someone who comes regularly here and there elsewhere that I see but I don't know their names but they're they're definitely around that one's in tont they're great they're not portable yeah they're cold all the time right and Meg just pointed out that we'd want to convey all this to georgeanne obviously other I'm happy

yeah I'll talk to her she asked me to sit in today so that's great you're sitting in as as J and chamber representative yeah that's great yeah if you could share all this with her that would be amazing because she will be a key part in sort of meeting that with that we ask Mount desert um restauranter and Caterers first before we move out of Mount desert uh mayy just because space is too big right and as he said at the Chamber of Commerce meeting he like you know if there was a smaller space in town that was not as expensive to heat it might make sense to do it yeah that'd be great let's have that conversation before anything else yeah good idea is there any way the town would ever support something like this maybe rent or something you do you think I mean decision really go to town meeting yeah but don't you think I mean does it sound ridiculous it doesn't to me that it's a town in very much in need of something you know we need sidewalks we do the sidewalks we need exactly it's a public good in that the town contributes on the other hand these are also private businesses and there's concerns about you know you got to have a business model that works and both most is a starter you know to try to get something off the ground to feel a need could be a nonprofit it could beit who will reach out to Adam Kathy will do that thank you and just say hey if if there was a smaller space right would you open on lunches Saturday Friday Friday night Saturday

nights like what's we're just Gathering ideas of what's in reality could be sort of a competive thing where who's who's but I that kind of thing goes on of course I want Adam SN or I want Li so did I what other to-dos did we talk about I have some but not for this topic so are we done with to-dos for this I think I think so did anyone else hear anything that we should write down in terms of next steps I think I think we have a doable amount I mean because no one can bite off too much we're just nudging things along the only thing is we don't need again we don't need it again until April so this will require us to take some steps and talk to each other outside of the so why not just have a meeting we could sound possibility we are allowed to meet we could we could have a meeting in February sure it's probably a good idea okay we'll send out a do we need to we'll talk to CL about yeah make sure because this space might or might not be available you want to make sure if it isn't there other places we can meet on Zoom yeah library library in our office too yeah okay right y be two and it would not be a public quarterly meeting of the committee it would be like a work session on this topic it has to be public oh it has to be public if it's comme the Comm but if it's the corporation it does not yeah but it would be the we just delighted to have public participation

yeah yeah I think we're done with this topic you mean that list the task yeah the tasks for this particular I I can't invite you to Jo this committee because I'm not officially on it but you coulded join it Nikki whatever boss says okay boss I think you should do it yeah yeah do it okay so you have to put in an official application with the to the board of selectman to join this committee and they will undoubtedly approve okay yes I'll it's pretty easy now I'm confused she's your boss she's my boss I'm her boss yeah she's my boss every time but sometimes I also work in swall most this will reveal itself I guess big boss so outside of the tasks for the winter Gathering Place um we Carrie and I will draft a letter of support for housing both heway and the Summit Road Project just to go to md365 um we will put together the third party request form that shouldn't take very long and then send around the date anybody who can come to that meeting support would be appreciated and now we know we can vote so I don't think it would have made a difference last year but we it might have it was kind of close how many people are you on the committee oh that's very yeah 22 or something yeah a large and un whe deep yes the group yes and so I think and then the last thing is we'll follow up about a

February meeting we'll chat with Claire see if the space is available that so is it possible to think about doing that for this winter or is that crazy why not why not yeah we can at least start with the getting R out about the events that are already happening and underway yeah um and depending how some of these conversations go um I think we're willing to try and we might on need a separate Gathering and people start going to those things so we can have those conversations right there exactly yeah that's a good point Jamie I might wait to reach out to Adam until I hear back from you having heard from johnon that it is even a possib right he's open to that possibility does that make sense yeah okay he may not want to re the subject line should say no money Jamie you might want to call him I don't know if I have his number well we get it sure somebody I have his number okay I have his I have his number I don't know him very well but I can give it to you Jamie oh thanks jbody um I just want to briefly say that if my assessment of the calendar is correct our next meetings are on April 9th July that's my birthday here the cake yes July one okay um I won't remember all these RSVPs so you guys are going to have to remind us um April 99th July 9th and October 8th are the next meeting just want to put that out there so the people to have on their

calendars July 8 July ju July 9 July 9 and October which is the day before my birthday have a c yeah and October 88 okay yep April 9 July 9 October 8th and and at every possible Community event for the next several month yeah we doneit a minute wait a minute um July July 9th and October 8th yeah it might be on what I missed a question I think oh no we're just kind of the phone number okay oh I just sent it to you Jamie oh thanks Jim yeah awesome should we adjourn I think we're good awesome meeting everyone thank you so much great 530 is that it no 5 o' was actually original well we 5 substantive at the very latest thanks Isabella for joining yes that's she thank you for your yes do oh should we stop the recording