Shoreline Regional Park Community - Regular Meeting

I call the meeting of the Mountain View Performing Arts Committee for Wednesday, 02/25/2026 to order at 06:20PM. This is a special meeting. Spanish or Chinese interpretation via Zoom and translation of meeting materials are available at no cost on request. Please contact the city by 5PM at least two business days prior to the day of scheduled meeting by phone at (650) 903-6608 or by email at mep@mountainview.gov. This meeting is being conducted with a virtual component.

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Could you have someone do the roll call?

Chairperson Fronaughey? Here. Vice Chair Fenwick? Here. Committee member Garcia?

Here.

And commit committee member Paragua? Here. And committee member committee member Kron is

Okay. Item agenda three minutes approval. Does anybody have any corrections to the minutes that we have for the 01/21/2026 meeting?

So much more redness.

None. I make a motion to approve the minutes. I took a look at them.

I will second.

Discussion. Any discussion. Right? I

just said I agree with this member Garcia that I I appreciate the little extra context of the trigger the memory.

So makes the memory seem more solid too. But that did happen.

Okay. Everybody who approves, raise your hand. It's unanimous. Mentors are approved. And item number four, our communications from the public. This meeting is reserved for persons wishing to address the committee on any matter not on the agenda. Speakers are limited to three minutes. State law prohibits the committee from acting on any non agenda items. Are there any members of the public wishing to comment? Okay.

There being none, we move along to item five, unfinished business. Other being none, we move along to six, new business 6.1, review of the second stage vitality program. Recommendation, the committee will review second stage vitality program and provide feedback. So I think we turn it over to Teresa at

this point.

Yes. I'm not sure if we need to we're not going to do a recommendation on the feedback for the second stage vitality program because it isn't ready come to this committee. So but what I thought I would do because we have new folks here is you guys don't have a benchmark of the previous, we used to do, which we call the second stage fee waiver program. So it's in your packet. And, basically so then when that new one comes in front of you, the ad hoc with Garcia and Donna who were on the ad hoc committee.

It's in its final stages, but it is not ready to come to be voted on. So, hopefully, it will come back in front of you at the latest meeting if needed. But I thought we would take this opportunity since this didn't get removed from the agenda to go over what we had previously. So, basically, it was a second stage fee waiver program. As you can see, there's some basic purpose, basic qualifications, fee waivers. And then we had a very brief application that felt filled out and then and then a rubrics that would come to the committee to vote on. I think the key points that I would like to point out because we put this on pause, gosh, two years ago.

We put this on pause,

on hold, so to speak, mainly for a couple reasons. One, we weren't completely transparent that we had this. What would happen is when you would phone or reach out to the performing arts center and want to rent second Stage and you had never rented it before, we would offer you a fee waiver. And so one of the things I'll say that we've changed about the new fee waiver that will be forthcoming to you is that that's not a criteria. You can still be a user of the second Stage here currently and that you can apply for the vitality program. So and then the other part of it is it will be completely transparent. There'll be a a a process and a time period for folks to be able

to apply for this, for

it to come back to the body to grade and rank the different applicants and then approve who gets the waive waiving of basically our rental fees. And then we'll also have a limit on it as far as, like, how many weeks

before the $2,000 this year.

But I thought this was important to give you guys a benchmark because otherwise, you're gonna look at the new one and go

Yeah. I think what Theresa means is that this scoring card was was not made proper. And so people would show up to pre let's present, and then we would pass these around and vote on things and have staff tabulate. So people people that they didn't know what was important, you know, and how much

how important it was. Yeah. The program just dropped transparency.

So all questions on the old fee waiver program, Diversity of program, I mean, was just up to the fact to decide if they felt it was diverse. And the fraction of broader audiences was kind of a guess maybe based on past experience.

Educated guess. Maybe not guess.

Sorry. Right? But it wasn't like x, y, and z will get you a 100%. It's more like, well, I guess it shows from here, you're gonna get somewhere between zero and a 100%. Yeah. I

think what you also see that when the next iterate or when the the Now Vitality program comes to the committee, it has increased in size. And I do think that it's in part to be transparent on this. So I really looking at it from three layers with the increase of transparency in the process. I think we also reviewed structural integrity into the overall process, including a timeline schedule in accordance to also for us looking at kind of what revenue also is coming into the center that we didn't quite 100% consider that because we take this as unrealized revenue as well. That's correct.

Right? If we're giving the grant. But now the shift is with the grant process. We open up the space, not only our but we're no longer purely looking at it at unrealized revenue. We're looking at it also as investment in new works as well. Mhmm. So a long term gain essentially is what we're seeing from the way that we've also rearticulated it as well. Is that correct?

Yes. I would say that.

The other thing on what what you were saying is that we also basically would do this sporadically. So there wasn't a time period that folks would apply. It was when you called the office and you hadn't rented the second stage, then we would offer this you. You would fill out the paperwork, and it would come to the next committee meeting

for approval.

So you weren't looking at folks. You know, 10 people apply for this, and you're looking at all these folks that applied and rent at one time. It was just very

as needed. And then you mentioned it's been suspended the last two years. Has there been opportunities for people who maybe could have availed themselves to this to get are there other reduced fee offerings available from second stage? Or No. This is currently suspended. Okay.

And has it but there has not been inquiries into it already. Right?

How would you know they inquired?

Exactly. So the structural that level. But the structural integrity has has allowed for a baked in transparency as well. So one of the things of we had no mechanism prior to to reach out for inquiry. So regard so it's kind of a already, we had a deficit, but suspending it allowed us to reevaluate the purpose. Moving forward was my last point. So we've gone looked at transparency and put in structural integrity regarding timeline also in accordance to this the transparency structurally as well is the process more oriented, which allowed us, I think, to have a much clearer purpose for it beyond what was initially stated in the fee waiver. So that's why when it comes back, it'll be much more than three pages, but it was needed in order to to, again, put the integrity back into the program.

Looking forward to it.

And there's a timeline the timeline is really built with the sense of, like, we go into primary booking here so that this will have a an annual process timeline so that people will get to apply. You know, we'll have a grant workshop so that people know how to apply and know what you guys are looking for. And then it, you know, get they get reviewed. And then, of course, it comes to this body. You approve. And then that way, then these folks are in with the primary goals when we when we book for the season. So we're not left out

in the cold. And I think what's also very nice about the the new revision to it or rehaul of this is that it also teaches people how to enter into, like, what is primary, what are different things in utilizing the center. So if you're a first time user, that workshop alone gives so much of knowledge going forward for that company or individual to utilize the center. So, hopefully, it's a win win. The public is getting a a the ability to use the center, information about the center, and, of course, information about the center. So there's a win for the center itself as well. So that's the only thing I'm thinking. Which hopefully brings more people into the downtown and the city, so then it's also a win for the city. That's my hope.

There we go. We got a lot riding on all this. But, hey, we just came off a very successful gallery. Okay. You're trying to bring this to

To Number seven? Number seven. Right. Item seven committee staff announced well, I sorry. I didn't call for public comment on item number 6.1.

Over here. Well

Let me tell. It it's over here. Right.

They show up

at the bottom too.

A little bit. We just

have two participants right now.

It's us. And The two participants are are on my laptop and the and the camera.

Okay. Three.

When we have three that we know we have. Okay. Good to know.

Okay. Item seven, committee staff announcements, updates, requests, and committee reports. No action will be taken on questions raised by the committee at this time. So let's talk about the gallery reception. Please. So sure to Google were there. We were

all We

were all

there. Well, so what'd you think?

I loved it. I thought it was a really fun event. I thought it was, a good turnout. Conversation was really engaging. David did an excellent job. I thought it was the right length. I it felt really well to not. And

in fact,

I heard from some people who wanted more. Mhmm.

And I

think that's the way you wanna leave an audience. Wow. Yeah. And I actually I was so busy chatting in the beginning that I didn't actually look at the artwork. And then afterwards, I was like, oh my god. I wanna go see this stuff because now I know so much about it. So it I was pleasantly surprised that there was a lot of hanging out afterwards. I had just assumed you go there and check out this stuff, listen, and come home. But I actually had some of my best conversations with people afterwards.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, ditto for all of that. I came with my neighbor. We had a great time. We just talked to beforehand, and did an excellent job. I I did see I I kind of wished that sometimes when the artist was talking about some pieces or some inspiration, that that's what we could have had on the screen behind him. Yes. And it was there was a slight distraction just from my own performing stuff, like, when the slideshow would end, and it would go to a bright white screen.

You know what that was? It was an ad. And the ad wouldn't like, it was, like, an ad for his calorie or whatever. But it for however it was sourced and embedded in that It

was white flag. It wouldn't come

up on our screen. We tried, like, six ways from Sunday, and we were just okay. Never mind.

Yeah. And but I know it's because it was me both. Was But a free flowing conversation as well. So and it was also a reference to the

barns series. I also wanted the barns up there.

And that and that would have been cool would have been cool, but, like, where your conversation was gonna go, you don't necessarily know. So that kept it more interesting. And I thought, again, right length. And my neighbor and I did check out all the art beforehand and got to talk to a few people, which we really enjoyed. And we were one of those people that just left afterwards. Just better. So

Yeah. I I thought it was a great event. I really enjoyed pouring wine beforehand and chatting it up with people. The there was probably just enough food. I mean, they cleared through everything pretty much at the end. Yes. You know, you don't wanna have a whole bunch of cheese left over. Well, maybe staff does. But I would say

there was not enough cheese. Yeah. As a vegetarian, when I got there, there's, like, three pieces of cheese in my home. Whatever. Mhmm.

Yeah. I was saving my cheese course for after the talk. I saved my money for there. Yeah. I don't know. I thought it was really a great event, and the city sent out lots of invitations to different lists. Mhmm. I didn't notice anybody from council there.

I also did not.

Okay. So

In our staff wrap up, we talked about making sure that council was invited. And then the other so so we've already had staff wrap up. So what I'll tell you is, council being invited. One of the other things is having something else besides water for nonalcoholic.

Oh, okay. Yeah.

You know, just with rice. Right. You're correct. Yeah. Something else that's an option for nonalcoholic. And then name tags. We talked about name tags.

Oh, that's

a great idea. Yeah. Because, you

know It worked out in the end, but name tags would have been good. Yeah.

Yeah. And then well, and then, you know, and then I felt bad because there's committee you know, from the other committees, there's folks that I've

been in network.

Mhmm.

Sounds like Yeah.

How

full. Syllables. You know?

Like Well, I mean, a lot of with as I was pouring wine, people so, obviously, I was an usher with a name usher tag on, so they're like, well, who are you, and why are you? So if I just had a name tag

Yeah.

And then, you know, when everybody else on the committees were circulating, I mean, everybody could have a a name tag.

Mhmm. Yeah.

Wouldn't have to just be the people who worked on it. Yeah. So that and so I'm always big on recruiting for advisory bodies because somebody's always short. Mhmm. So if, you know, well turned out people such as yourselves have name tags on or going around talking and representing, you know, the committee, that's more likely to, you know, draw more volunteers in for this committee or other ones.

And then the other one was in program. And then and this was my my pet peeve as I sat there with my husband and was looking at, you know, my chairs for my office, and then things looks really nice. It looked really lovely, and I was like, off. There's something off. And my husband says, you needed a rug.

Oh, okay.

I needed a rug. Okay. I was like, I needed a rug because it looked too much like a stage. Mhmm.

You know?

And it's supposed to be warm

and heavy. You're like, yeah.

We got there, though.

And I

was like so that that went on my knees. We needed to ride. So but overall

It was good planning.

Went really well, and I think it was we just you had to look into the dates of when there was no performance there. Right? Mhmm. So I wonder if there's any way early on to pick that date so that when the visual arts committee schedules what's going on there, they could find some because that was kind of a little boundary pushing exhibit for some people. Yeah. You know? And I thought it was great, and I think, you know, more like that would be

I I I do I had a couple of thoughts. Like, after moderating because one of the things too in moderating, I was very aware of how the event flow was happening. And so I do think that this was a great exhibit to start off with because we have been so close to identity. It's like I mean, an event looking for an identity, boom, you have a conversation on identity. So that was interesting. I and I just wanted to note also, great. Four things. Name tags, invites to counsel, more than water, rug needed. What a great list of notes if that's all you have. Okay. That's good to know. And then I do think that length of time was correct as well. I definitely because I also got the sense people wanted more, so that's great.

So Well, I'll leave them wanting more.

Yeah. I really do think that we can also a chance to, if we do this again, expand the demographic beyond I don't know how, but I think this is a good also place to pull in. I do think we can get younger people as well if it's the same sort of atmosphere next time as well. So that's something to think about. I don't know how art dependent that is on the artist as well.

So that's something interesting. And then, yes, I think keeping it very warm is a very good method, like, good a good framework in producing this. Again, I think there was a certain type of energy that we captured that could be a great hallmark in opening up the center for community. So I think we hit the nail on the head in in multiple ways. Just thought. I

I would say I just signed I I meant to say before I also met you I would be talking to, and then I find out they were from another committee. Any time or not, it was still very super nice to meet them and Mhmm. You know, get to have that collaboration. And the wine booth in particular was I think you had one from each committee circulating on One from which? One person from each committee.

Oh, that's You

had, like, someone from the downtown committee, someone from the visual arts committee. It wasn't, like, two people from forming arts committee serving wine.

Oh, okay. It was pretty much me and someone from downtown for the the hour before. I don't know what happened after the talk.

It was Kirsten after the talk. Okay.

Feel like I met someone who's, like, working in HR in the city council. Like

We had a couple of people who with other staff. There was a lot of staff in attendance too, which was great, and I was surprised by that.

Is there a way of assessing what our demographic was? Like, whether it was, like, age wise, gen z, or

I think I got a

We

can run a ticket report. That won't get us as much as I think what you're really looking for.

Yeah. I

mean, just, know, like, folks don't have to give us that that much information.

Yeah. Whatever it's worth, I went online to buy my two tickets, and was made to create an account and went through all those steps, and I computers for a living. I'm pretty savvy. Mhmm. And when I went to go look for the tickets the day of, there's nothing in my email. These seven people at box office said I had not purchased any tickets, and I didn't even have an account. So which is fine, but I have bought tickets for the Performing Arts Center before. Maybe I logged out as a guest. I don't know. Mhmm. But I I would consider myself eye aptitude for using computers Mhmm. As a computer scientist. So You went

through all that, and then

And I wasn't the only person. They at least the people at the box office said there was a it sounded like I wasn't the only person that said

I had bought tickets. It's just one more reason why shopping for the new.

It's not the best. Apparently, I don't even have an account even though I went and put my address and made a password. And it's

Well, there's plenty of time also for now until whenever we think of new ways to market this. And I in marketing, some other stuff I was involved with, I learned that Leadership Mountain View has this little form that you fill out. Mhmm. Because I was sending them flyers for a year, and she said, well

We don't do that. We don't

do that. Here's the floor. It's so Good to know. Live and learn. I can look for that email and send it to

That makes sense. Yeah.

So what are the next steps for this event? Like, I'm assuming we all wanna do it again, like, as an annual thing? As a

Well, part

of that

is gonna be budgetary.

Yeah.

You

know? So we're looking at staff's already looking at next fall Okay. Or this fall, I should say. The visual arts committee has already chosen the artist for the year. So I'm gonna go in and kind of believe that what's been chosen. And then I gotta you know, me. If we're lucky, we we pick somebody that we like, and then I have dates that are available. Or it might you know, what I'm hoping is, like, it's like a a a one two three kind of thing, and then, you know, look at the first choice, see if there's dates available.

And is there a reason you're choosing fall specifically and not, you know, winter again?

Well, we're trying to do one, I mean, this is gonna be budget contingent, but, like, another bit to try and

do one in the fall and then maybe and do two. So so it'll be a second in in calendar year 2026.

Yes. You're right. So but we'll see.

For this calendar year? Oh. Oh. Oh. Yeah.

Okay. Good writing.

Yeah. Excellent. I also was thinking that I'd be interesting I think there's something to be sold with the idea of, like, a intimate talk with the city type of situation or, like, a, like, a small talk at, like, I think, FTR fireside chat, like, something, like, that's warm, but also, like, institutional. I think that might be another way. So that being said, I think it might be interesting to do something for the thirty fifth anniversary. A small talk with the thirty fifth if that could be wrapped

in somehow. Ad hoc committee for this.

So we need to

get Excellent. Excellent. Well, so what a wonderful idea for the on that. For what is it for ad hoc for for that. Just an idea, though. But now I do think that would be an option that I think that might be something that's interesting to do. Because, again, I think yeah. I think the formatting seems it seems to me also, I'm aware as a young person that the formatting seems very traditional, but there's something about it that seems very modern at the same time. I'm not sure what that connection is yet. But again, I think a young I think young people, 20 year olds to 30 year olds, early professionals would sit into on on on this event. So

You're right. It's a very traditional format. But, like, I've this is a model I've done for decades. Yeah. And then it just depends on really, it really is dependent on the artist. Mhmm. And then you get the 20 or you get you know, it just really depends on what the the artist Yeah. And then your demographic should should change according.

Mhmm. I would say that this one seemed like a I would say that we had a fifty to sixty range, fifty to seventy range, possibly older or not, but I would say that's about two thirds and then one third 30 to 40, I would say, is what I would to answer your question based on talking to everybody, would be the demographic.

And then I would 30 for

the 40 range in our lobby is, like

Right.

Yeah. I would not say That's young.

That's the young demographic.

Say the younger demographic were from from the conversation I had were city employees, which is fine, but I I noticed that most of the people were city employees that were of that demographic. So something to note as well. We seem to reach we reached inside the city, like, staff specifically, and I don't know how that that which makes sense, but that is a concern when we market again how to break out of kind of the people already in the circulation of the city. Mhmm. Because we didn't I don't think we quite reached or they were the population that did not come because of the weather or something, but I don't know.

Yeah. The weather was pretty foul.

Yeah. Yeah. So that'd be interesting to also see how this does not a better So

I have a question. Was Instagram was there an Instagram thing? I mean, how do I

say this? Like, we have an Instagram, but our Instagram's.

But we

did post it on Facebook.

John McDonald did that,

and then I reposted.

No. I'm suggesting an Instagram wallpaper flyer, whatever you call it, that other people could post.

Oh, I got you.

Mhmm. Gram accounts because

That's where the kids are at.

I know a lot of council members post a lot of things in their Instagram or I ended up on Instagram. Mhmm. And those are the influencers that some you know, a lot of people follow.

Yeah. Well, they have algorithmic power as well. So

I was thinking next door as well. Oh, the city does that. We do next door. The city does.

And then I didn't see it from the city. Well It's how the algorithm works. Doesn't mean you can look. So it just means you can make it

across. How do I say this? We didn't really get our communications. I think everybody I how do

I say? Opportunity for more Yes.

There's opportunity for more, engagement and involvement. I think we might have been a little intrepid. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. You know?

I'm surprised. I think with, you know, the the story of the wild success that the past one was, it'll be easier to get, you know, get other departments on board.

Has has anyone from have we told council yet as a whole? Has that event occurred?

Well, they knew about it only because we do council connections. Mhmm.

It'd be interesting to just have a report on the agenda that it happens, whether that comes from economic item or development, farming arts division, or from downtown.

We could

add it into the council connection and you know? Because I know I I have photos.

Mhmm. You can

add it in if we have this event.

It'd be interesting to have photos.

85 people. It was fabulous.

Right. Including the weather.

So Old Mountain View had an announcement of it in their printed newsletter, the neighborhood association.

Oh, nice.

Yeah. And I think they have a website too. I sort of crashed one of their events recently and picked up a flyer. But they have someone who, in their newsletter, does downtown restaurant reviews, that's posted in Nextdoor. I see that. So that group is seems to me like a key

Okay. Market for center. Attended, which is interesting. All of the people who attended were were from Old Mountain View. A majority lived lived in Old Mountain. I only know that.

Yeah. That's true. Know some of the people said that they just walked over here.

So

Yeah. So that's interesting. I think we need to then strength the quote just knowing because Old Mountain I mean, also Old Mountain View is a very tight knit. Right? More has has so it's interesting because

what is considered Old Mountain?

Right here till Calderon, I think, or right. Like what's this? Calderon. Oh,

okay. But,

like, not No. And then to Shoreline's the edge.

West is the other side.

So But from Shoreline

to Calderon?

Probably. So I would think

oh, sure.

It's on the map. It's designated. So

I think Old Mountain View is on the other side of Castro. I don't think it's on.

That's what I would oh, yeah. Well, that's, like, ongoing debate. But

I mean, there's also, like

The political view.

Is that is

that what you're talking about?

The individual neighborhood committees? Because we have, like, Swan, which is, like, Shoreline West's thing. Yeah.

That's counts. It I think it's designated on the well, it's not there anymore. Never mind.

Gone.

Gone. So it's designated, I think. I think it's a specific designation. So Oh, okay. I think we so it seems like we create we had an implicit partnership with Old Mountain View, which brought in people, so we need more partnership, apparently.

Exactly.

So algorithmic power is what we're looking for when we're talking. I wonder if really we are reducing when we're talking about marketing. Are we just talking about the algorithm at this point? I don't know. That's an interesting thing for us to think about as committee members. But well, and then secondary to algorithms is partnerships. Because you have the intention of marketing as partnership and marketing as algorithmic maneuvering. And so partnership implicitly came through Old Mountain View.

Old Mountain View and Red Rock.

And Red Rock.

For yeah. About anything that happens there, I think they'd be happy to post something. Anything that happens here.

And, yeah, that the Red Rock would be a great place to use. How about flyer up or something?

And if you're going to have a flyer for them, I'm sure the bookstore would post it as well because I'd see them put something up.

Yeah. Mhmm.

And there's, like, a million Facebook groups. Our marketing. And I this time, like, you know, there's, like, Mountain View moms and things like that. Yeah. There's a million. Yeah.

At least a dozen. Well, isn't there a young professionals group in Mountain View of some sort?

Don't Is

the chamber have that?

I hope these channels have run they might exist, but they might be, like, little rivers that are

Drying up.

Drying up. Yeah.

Okay. Well COVID.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So but they they have kind of existed, but I don't think anything's I don't think there's a young professional group that's hitting strong right now. But Leadership Mountain View is technically Yeah.

You said Leadership Mountain View is

all like that.

Yeah. There's been other things, though. But Leadership Mountain View has a lot of input too.

Wordsworth, I posted on my on Slack group that I'm on Facebook, and LinkedIn. So I but other than my neighbor,

which cross the street,

I don't know if anyone else is. But I didn't think about Nextdoor, which is more specifically.

Well, the chamber did circulate something because a friend of mine is an ambassador for the chamber. She that's how she heard about it when she came.

It was good.

Well, next time, would we have it in this thing as well?

Possibly. Yeah. Yeah.

We can find out if that's enough.

We mailed out postcards to the same list. Oh, we did? Okay. This

is interesting to so I the the the thing I mean, people will say Gen Z is act is inactive or politically inactive. They just don't have a consolidated channel, right, to reach the city. So very well could say something that the place will be honest on Gen Z. But so kind of a hard thing, though, because so there's overlap between old old Mountain View, Chamber, and the city. Those are all very and Leadership Mountain View, very, very, very similar networks.

So just something to think about. I don't think that that's a barrier at all. I think the strength, actually. But my my it's kind of a bigger thing just to think about. My fear is that we become accidentally too insular to that community and then run into the same problem of where's our audience because that audience in ten years will also be will age as well. And so we'll have a couple of years of a new audience, but then no channel for whatever's next. So that's just something we obviously can't solve that as a committee, but this barrier that I want. I don't know how to fix that, but other than walking. Oh,

well, I mean, there's, like, Foothill Community College or something. Don't they have an art group? I mean, there's all nice

true. The the community college too.

I mean, they can they can

But, again, not trickling. To me, that that depends on the artist that you choose. Exactly. You know? Like, if we

And the theme of the art and the

Yeah. Yeah.

There's there's And then some of those are gonna be easier to Gen Zs. Yeah.

I have a small other committee report possibly related to some of our Gen Zs that I ran into the our public after our meeting last time of the Oh. People that were here to make public comments. And and and then one of their friends who was late, and I ran into them down by a villa in Castro just on the street when I was walking home. And they had so many questions, including why we couldn't really talk to them. And so I explained Brown Act at a really high level.

And I did give them your name, so I'm not sure if they followed up. But I said, you were a person that could have a conversation with them, more of a two Way Street. And they're like, oh, we just thought you were all a little weird. And I was like, no. Brown act is all a little weird. But they were super I encouraged them to come to more other committee meetings and art committee meetings. So hopefully, we will see and hear from them some more. But it was a little bit of serendipity just run into them on the street.

It's funny.

Seem You guys are stuffy.

Yeah. Yeah.

Really, like Yeah. Well, that's we're here.

Were super polite. They were so, so polite. They were just like, how how how tell us about these committee meetings. And, like, it seemed like you all couldn't really talk to us. And I was like, oh, because it wasn't on the agenda. We couldn't really discuss. And they're all like, oh.

An emerging thing.

That they were so

interesting.

Yeah. Brown act is weird if you don't you know, if you're not interacting with people that are brown acted a lot. And it it's weird, but they were super excited to have and I did direct them back to you. So hopefully, you'll hear from them. And I said because you can have a dialogue. Mhmm.

I wanna tie this back into our work plan, actually, what we're discussing because this is giving me a thought, a little kernel that I'm So we said that we wanted to for the past three years, we have said that we wanted to work with other committees and create partnerships, etcetera. What we're finding, I think, also just in the discussion, again, actually, we have a network that we are leveraging already, structurally speaking. So all again, Old Mountain View Chamber City, Leadership MV, very similar network, all in network. And this question of think there is a demographic that we are not tapping into, but it's such at a level if they don't even know how to interact with the city. Of course, these are not this is not a new conversation.

But I think this is something for us to consider when to put onto our work plan as an issue of sustainability, not necessarily at the level of revenue or expenses, but at the level of exposure, talking about how do we attract. We've continued to talk about attracting new demographics, but even us have questions about how to do that. But that seems like there needs to be some place where we create some sort of container or a net to see what we can catch. And we currently, I don't feel like have that in place. I do think as as the end person just to speak, I think that would be interesting for us to add moving forward whenever that time ends up coming onto our work plan as a long term goal and sustainability to continue to bring in new people.

So, again, we have I think what emerges clearly there is an in a network that exists, and then we need to expand out of them because those networks overlap quite a bit. So we will find a cap, I think, to that.

Also, that makes me think about, will there be an advertising budget in the future for online for the boys? A lot of people actually advertise in the Los Altos Town Crier. Mhmm. A little bit pricey, but it's a physical thing, and a lot of people pick it up. So, yeah, I don't know what the budget is. That's just, like, not it.

Right now, the budget's zero. Let's do this together.

So

Well, I think beyond that too, I'm very curious to I'm wondering if we have meetings in which we hold for the public, but with the invitation to young people, whether that's certain leadership, Mountain View people, and at a certain age who might are less involved with with the city or don't know or people from the high school, and we lead a meeting about what is the performing arts committee and how to different things that could be potential. And then I mean, this could be an event as well and have a q and a and people ask their questions or I don't know. It's either small, could be large, but I think we need something that does allow dialogue at the level of the meeting itself. So that's something interesting. So liter I mean, if we had an an an agenda item that was, like, to discuss the center, people could ask all of their questions as a result on the as legally, they could ask it.

So that might be an interesting sort of device to do that would allow that could be the beginning of a net as well, the beginning of fielding something to see what what young people would come about. I I would also recommend that we we should definitely that'd be such an interesting thing in in thinking about the people who had public comments.

Well, I haven't asked. Will there be a debrief of PAC back in downtown committee? I was wondering as well. To

The ad hoc committee?

Yeah. The ad hoc committee. Yeah. Because staff have met, but we haven't met. And, also, I think if someone asked us, we would all give permission for our emails to be circulated instead of blind copied.

I think it's a That's

a brown hat, so I can't

Yeah. Oh, really? Yeah. Yeah.

Otherwise, did we have a

Just meeting online.

No. The people that were in the BAC in the in the ad hoc committee.

Oh, you mean

Oh, the ad hoc committee.

The ad hoc committee. These

But we still cannot have our each other's emails, though.

Why? You know?

Oh, and we can have each we can contact each other.

For the ad hoc, you can.

Yeah. Yes.

But I don't know all because everything was sent out by blind

Oh, the contact information? Oh.

So I would like to be able to contact people that I've met and worked with. Yeah.

That's true.

Coffee with. Maybe do something else.

I do.

I mean, that's okay. Outside of the committee.

Yeah. Yeah. And, I mean, it's not violating their down act things if

I think that was I mean, I can bring it up. I think that was just a habit that

Yeah. You're dealing with the committee.

Oh, I agree. Yeah.

Prevent an accident. Yeah. Yeah. At all.

And and even though this this is an ad hoc, and there wasn't a majority of any one of the committees. So there is no harm, no foul to to share, but I think that was probably just to have.

Well, this there there used to be an internal document where people that were on this committee would get personal emails from everybody and everybody else's committee and then click the circulating that.

Probably because somebody said I

you didn't have permission to do that.

Right. For whatever it's worth on the last committee I was on for the city, we all had each other's emails.

Yeah. How did you get them?

They they were just I don't know. The whole public had mine as well. I got direct emails from the members of the public as well. So I I just got a number of emails that had each other on, but we were just instructed not to reply. Like, particularly if there's a public comment, and they cc'd all committee members. Right. We just were told not to reply to and that it would be entered into the meeting as public comment for Okay. But I Yeah. It wasn't hidden. They weren't went to Peter's email, but it wasn't hidden either. So I think there's a little bit of

a ease for how that's managed between the communities. But like

I said, the whole public seemed to also find me with that. So I

I do agree that a debrief as an ad hoc would be quite nice.

Mhmm. It's forthcoming.

And I have one other nod. I've had nice kid just committee note. A longtime theater community in the Bay Area, West Valley Light Opera has ceased operations after sixty years.

So After how long? Sixty. Wow.

Had their sixtieth anniversary celebration. Very well attended. And that

was Solomon? Which it was this West

West Valley Light Opera. They have performed in the Saratoga Civic Center.

Oh, the Saratoga Civic Center. Okay.

For many, many, many years. So that's Marge and Ed Hand and the Pincuses and had started that up long, long time ago. Well, sixty years ago.

Very sad.

So

When

is art month? Is that April? California

Arts month is April, but we don't have time to get it on the.

It would have to go to council. Has to go to council. Okay. I'm just

gonna put on a little typo

for you. No.

So it says

Yeah.

It says 02/14 is '14 or 02/15 is '13. Oh my goodness. But it's under March, but still.

All the others are fine. To catch these things. So you two are at the make music day if you wanna

It's often kind of I know that we wanted to Sarah, do you want some?

The SV Creates lunch that we went to when they passed away.

Oh, right. I don't

know if

I'm making music.

Why don't you talk

I mean, I can practice it a little bit if you want. Or but

Go ahead. I'd love to hear

you. So

I'm going to pass this around. Make Music Day is basically a nationwide day that all communities that participate basically ask folks to just make music. It could be you sit out on your front porch and play the harmonica, or you might get a group of musicians and go to the local park and play. But it's just it's an all day kind of affair that, you know, like, New York has I remember how many thousands of people that participate, and then there's, you know, other communities. San Jose can also participates.

And so the Make Music Day is a nonprofit organization. They have a software essentially that helps match, like, in your community where where folks would be, and so that if folks wanna come and listen and and and then also to register to participate. So it seems like a blast. What I will say is, like, for us as a city, June 21 is tomorrow. It's also Father's Day.

Sure. I appreciate that. So, you know, obviously, we would be talking about next next year most likely. But we I did have I got this from Aaron, and I did have a conversation with him about it. It's really not meant to be, like, a city function. It's meant to be very grassroots and just kind of happen. But the one thing that I did understand is that, obviously, somebody has to pay for the software. Folks register, you know, to play music in your neighborhood park. There's permits. There's a few things that we need to, like, you know, find out information about.

But then I know talking to this person, the city of San Jose, because they have so many people that participate, it's pretty much, like, a full time job to, like, go in and make sure that everybody they've got their ducks in a row, and you're gonna play at the park from ten to eleven, and you're gonna play at the park from eleven to noon, and you're gonna, you know, that kind of stuff. So it it it it possibly what I'll say is there is the possibility of it becoming laborious for staff just depending on how big it rolls and and what it turns into. But it's also can be very grassroots. And then I was just trying to think of ways, when I was talking to Erin Kristen and I talked to Erin of that ways that the city could kind of help launch the bird out of the nest, but not, like, own the bird. You know what

I mean?

So things like you know, we have a lot of pocket parks. And could we, for this day, waive the permit fee know, and let folks be able to play in the park kind of thing? Would we, you know, allow people to, like, play up and down Castro Street? You know? You know, what what would the city do that would encourage folks to, like, participate in this without getting heavy handed on it?

The permits for such an a thing that one, if it's not amplified, they can just play. Because the the the thing and I think I already so the other thing too is that this is a this is something that it sounds it sounds like the chamber, not the city. Oh. Because it looks it's to organize nonprofit. So I think organize organizations that already exist, and then they can look

No. It's it's personal. It's like folks just participate.

For the maintenance of it, though, I I would struggle to say. If if it so it so it depends on twofold. I'm I'm a little wary initial, like, looking at this, actually. I think a day of national music making, sounds great and exciting. But but I think I do I I would hesitate to move this towards the city, though, upon upon looking at this.

I I would say because I think that it requires a certain level of agility that I'm not sure staff could undertake. Maybe upon initially, but it would really have to, I think, be in conjunction with some a nonprofit that that is capable of doing this because you would leverage I mean, immediately off the bat, if you're gonna talk about this, you would look at all your current music schools, you would look at CSMA, see if there's capacity, and then and then but have the one entity, whoever channels it, be the funnel, be the end of the funnel. So they're all coming into the funnel and they're coming out.

So make music day Mhmm. Is basically the funnel. They have a software that everybody funnels through that. It's just somebody has to monitor the registration of of that. So

How expensive is the software?

It's not that much.

I don't

remember off

the top of

my head.

But 100?

It's, like, 300 a year.

Oh my gosh.

Yeah. So the the subscription to the software or something?

Yeah. It's it's their proprietary software. But, basically, like, on you know, it creates the map. You know? So, like, you know, it creates the map so that, you know, then then then somebody has to produce them, so to speak.

And it's easy for, like if you're, like, an R and B artist, just go online and see, oh, where are other people, like, playing as opposed to trying to find people on your own. I can centralize the location for the office, personalized facilitators. That map.

Yes. So that is a great way to build a local database of

all of us.

Well, and also maybe, like, I know it doesn't fit exactly with what the Red Rock people do at music, but clearly, there's a need and desire for more visibility for the local musicians. I know what they were saying was a little bit more about trying to make money to profit, but, I mean, it's something where they can get.

Red Rock is a nonprofit.

I I I think it's what I'll take selling to the community.

They are a nonprofit. They they were having a tough time go making a go of it. They are a nonprofit with the mission of promoting the arts. So I don't know much about their structure other than that. They must have a board. Mhmm.

And I just super quick glance to this. I just see, like, item number three is saying, get aware of this.

Maybe it would be, like, an

I don't know. Something between the city and, Chamber of Commerce because it says number three is make permitting easy. Right. So, like, that's where the city would really be involved because we can't like, if we wanna say, if you can have amplified music this one day in the Rexmont Manor tot lot, which is right by my house. Mhmm. Right now, amplified music is forbidden, but maybe it could be a special day, and you could let the neighborhood know and get excited. I mean, even non amplified. Somebody brought, like, a trombone, like, people going, it was, like, kind of so loud. It's a special event.

I mean, I think it's worth exploring because they did say there's a blue bridge on side. San Jose seems to be quite involved in and then there's a lot of cities that are just very laissez faire where it's, like, just kinda

Right. And maybe all the city Montney does is just they used to get permits.

Well, there's some there's some musician in Cuesta Park that organizes weekly summer outdoor concerts at Pub Park. So, I mean, there are organizers

around. They we just need to identify I mean, number one is identify a local champion for the event, and I think that's, like, the big one that I'm looking at is cool.

Yeah. Would that be the chamber?

Yeah. But I also think that's going yeah. I have hesitation about this.

Because

I'm worried about the champ. I'm worried about I'm also worried about not worried. Thinking about like, I think that we would whoever the champion is would have to galvanize community to make music, and it's very easily we'll see. I mean, I was also they'd have to organize the artist. They'd have to go find the talent. And because I just don't no. I'm saying this because I don't think that we have just a natural music making scene in the city.

I Oh, I see.

Also, there's very something very different to something promoting the idea of just making music and amateur music versus having someone who or a keystone or a capstone to that who is a musician, they that can sometimes fall into a false binary of community made music. So I I there's a couple of constraints that I'm thinking of. I mean, not for right now. I think it's overall a positive project, but I do think that there are constraints considering the climate here that would have to be considered. But I don't think it's it's I don't think it's a shoe in. I do think it would take some planning for sure. That's main mainly my concern.

I also think it's gonna be something that grows with the years. Like, like, he gave he gave the analogy of it being, like, Halloween. Like, people aren't gonna go out and costume until everybody else is going out and costume. Like, start singing in the park till they start singing. Oh, everybody's

Okay.

And, yeah, I mean, I think the marketing is I I don't know if they're necessarily, yeah, central central ranking people, but

I would think this would need a champion. This would really need someone to coalesce it. I don't think I don't think if the city I mean, we can might get a few people.

Well, I mean, if you get, like, you're saying CSMA, Red Rock, concerts in the park and, like, four or five other you know, there's I mean, stuff we do in Los Altos, but, like, at fire school. In Tubular. Yeah. Yeah. You don't get, like, those kind of people say, like, hey. Why don't you mention something? Or they they become this the, you know, champions course. Know?

My big question, and I would be honest, is then why have they not championed? Like, so the so they have not championed already. They have not and maybe we just haven't had a strong enough consolidation, but I would say that many of them reach in network their own network. And unless someone creates the connective, like, the interstitial or tissue, like, in between organizations, I I have to articulate I will articulate this at another time, I think. But I also that's why I was saying we're already seeing an overlapping network.

My fear is that this is is already the demographic. The demographic that we immediately think of that we plug into this already are coming to the center, already are connected to music. So I would say that there is a public benefit and already a captured audience. Is there a public benefit to a wider audience? We might have the intention. Structurally, I don't think we have the network. That's why I'm saying that we need a champion. I don't think we have the the structural resources right now to reach the city and not something that because otherwise, yes, we are very well capable. But I think we would we would be we're stacking events onto the same number of

things. This is we can't there were because this is not just a people that attended reporting on this. It's not anything we're

doing to share.

No. No decision or guidance is not on the agenda. Okay.

So do we want to put it on the agenda and roll this over and maybe have an ad hoc committee or explore to find people who might be interested in doing this. I mean, it sounds like It's second it. What would the timeline be? So the time okay. We took we're talking about it now.

The 2020

make it happen by June?

Oh, this

June is

here. No.

Next June.

Yeah. The

seventh would be

next June.

Next June. Yeah.

Right. So we have an

ad hoc committee in the fall?

Well, I would I mean, honestly, what I would recommend is you do an ad hoc. You might end up having two different ad hoc committees, but I would recommend doing an ad hoc committee immediately that finds out things like, can we waive permits?

Uh-huh.

Like, what can the city do and what can't we do? Mhmm. Like, so we know, like, where the city stands. Mhmm.

Is the

chamber even remotely interested? Like, you know, like, let's let's do the preliminary finding, so to speak, so at least we know where we stand. And then and then it would be like, okay. So then, you know Are we think that could work, or it's like, okay. This is this is the hill, and these are the valleys. This is like, let's be realistic about it. You know? This is this is gonna be our struggles. These are the things that we can do. These are the things that, like you know, just for saying, okay. We can't not run into parks. Like, they won't let us do that. Okay. Oh, that's a point. Yeah. You know? Like, where where do we stand? Mhmm. And then, you know, could bring it back to the group and say, okay. This is where we stand.

This is what's going on. Is it a yay or a nay? And then it would be an ad hoc committee that's like, okay. Now we're doing this in earnest Mhmm. For next June, what do we need to work?

And I think that's also what I'm interested in structural limitations and also the pros of doing it. Think we'd also be interested before I would also be interested to see how it aligns with our current work plan

Yeah.

For the committee. And

yeah. Okay.

Not may. Just I think a lot of constraints that need to be considered before looking at it. That's all.

Well, I'm standing with Teresa. It'd be nice to have some people look into the permitting and and other low hanging fruit. We would clear the way for people to volunteer to spearhead this thing.

Because if there's too many roadblocks Right.

Well and then, like, what is the thing that makes it Mountain View cohesive to the city to a participant here? What would make them want to participate is my other question.

Sorry. Say that again?

Specific to because I I again, specific to the city, specific to Mountain View, what is the connecting kind of identity of of of this that would say here, this pro why this program and why here in the city is my question. And I would want to know that from, like, a statistical or, like, data standpoint.

Well, I think it would be from my perspective, from a staff perspective, I would like to talk to the staff person in San Jose. It's like Mhmm. It's big now. Right. And then it's and she's spending a lot of time on it. I know that. We heard that at the lunch. But ten years ago, what was it? What was it when it just started?

What does it

look like? How did that, for sake of conversation, how did how did that path end up with you doing x, y, and z?

And what resourcing was needed?

And and what and what if we don't wanna end up on that path? What if we wanna be over here? Uh-huh. Like, where where would we need to, like, kind of like I said, that's like throwing the bird out of the nest. But, like, would where would we as Citi, like, go, okay. Mhmm. We're we're back. This has got a life of its own now. Mhmm. Mhmm. We're gonna back out.

And it needs to start at the beginning, technically, because otherwise, you'd get easily wrapped into

Yeah.

Sustaining it or ending.

And it could be as simple as, like, yeah, we waive the permits.

Or Or it's one park or something else that's essential. I don't know.

Yeah. Or we made the park, you know, the permits for one park.

Or the city river reserves a park or something. I don't know. That's possible.

I mean, there's all kinds of,

you know,

but, like, what what can I think I think it's the we can do and we can't do?

Mhmm. And And then the side was if the city does, what can we do as as possible?

So is this conversation with the city staff San Jose City staff person part of ad hoc committee part one stuff?

Yeah. I think it would I mean Yeah. You know, and stuff, it's like I think it it in order in order to assist the committee Mhmm. You know, we should do our due diligence to talk to this person and make sure that, like you know? I don't even know how many years they've been doing it. Theirs is huge.

I mean, yeah. I mean, San Jose is a huge city too. So

And maybe it's a conversation back to Erin of, like, do you have another city that's like size? Right. Maybe we maybe we have a brief conversation with San Jose, but, like, maybe we really have an in-depth conversation with somebody at, I don't know, Gilroy. I don't know. I'm just making it up. But, you know, but

little more Gilroy seems to be doing things. So I would

I was like a as

the committee, like an exploratory committee.

Yeah. Yeah.

Because we're not it's not, like, committing to do anything.

Right. Yeah.

It's just figuring it out, you know, what what is how can it be done.

That's interesting. That's the proportional because they do give exam these are all big cities that they give examples for.

But the the the lunch but the lunch he did it's like, there was one in Alaska. There was another one in Nebraska that was, like, 5,000 people, and they all just come out on Main Street and, like Mhmm. You know, like Mhmm. You know? So there's there's a huge gamut.

Mhmm. It's like

And then there's New York and San Jose, which we're not. Right.

Well, like, Connecticut has 17 chapters, so I can't imagine that. Yeah.

Well, I personally like to see more music that's not seventies and eighties.

That's a big request

across demographic.

So

now is the time to make inroads into something else.

I would say that this is not that, though, is also how I feel. I don't

Well, how do you know?

Unless we structure it that way. Unless it is structured that way, it this isn't inherently leading us to

more Could create a demand. The city doesn't know it's there. Okay.

Because being optimistic.

People out there dancing are gonna die.

I well, if I I know. So I'm just saying yeah.

I think I think we're kind of also kind of getting in our head too much about organizations getting involved in this because, ultimately, it's supposed

to be people.

It's supposed to be, like, the dude who hasn't picked up a clarinet since he was in middle school being inspired to, like, get together with his buddies and

Having but I I think, like, having been in the music education field here specifically, we don't have the same we don't have strong music education in the Bay Area. We do not have a strong music scene. We don't have a strong cultural scene. In very fractured ways, we do, which is great. But I'm saying there are barriers.

Also, we haven't done our our orgs that have existed for a while that are well known have not done this sort of outreach, have not done, or they have and we haven't heard of it. So that's what I'm saying of there is a there is, I think, a and then the expectation too. That that being said, that does not translate. So the person who has been playing the clarinet or hasn't been playing the clarinet does not translate to getting another act on stage or in the city that would be of a diverse or different diverse and maybe different than seventies rock or eighties rock. So that's what I'm just saying. Like, that does not technically translate to programming.

Well, you know, I think I'm looking at it as more simplistic view as somebody who wishes, you know, that I'd stuck with it and could make music, but likes to hear music.

Mhmm.

And so just it's like a gallery walk, you know, where you go around and look at different art objects.

Mhmm.

This is like a music walk. I mean, it's it would be, you know, pretty lively, and it would get more of the community engaged in a new way. And it's one of those things that's either gonna build or it

isn't. Mhmm.

But I'm kind of leaning toward trying, you know, something new. So I don't know if others agree with me.

I I feel like there's so many unknowns that and I think that I already feel like there's just too many unknowns, and I already feel like we're we've all gone pretty deep on a topic that's not technically on our agenda. True.

I'm trying to put

it on the agenda. Okay. So I'm

I'm with you, and I think it's because we were there at the event. And we

got really inspired by this.

But I'm sorry. But it's not on our agenda. So we're having a like, trying to make decisions about things that's not on our agenda. Not that we get a lot of public here, but this may be something that the public would be interested in giving their feedback on.

So I I started this whole or I came into this conversation saying maybe we ought to put this on the agenda

Right.

So that we can talk about this more. And we keep talking about it. Mhmm. And I'm not hearing anybody say, great idea. Let's put it on the agenda.

I I think it should be on the agenda to talk about things I'm feeling like, I I feel like we've talked a lot about a lot of specifics for something that's not on the agenda. I would rather be on the agenda, and I support the agenda in the meeting.

Suppose we get on the agenda too.

Okay. So then next month

Is committee have to put a motion or something?

No. It's not a because it's a committee.

We can do just request. To do the direct staff.

Direct, like a like a traffic signal.

Logic wave of the hand. Okay. So and it's for next month?

Mhmm. Okay.

Well, is there a report or something that follow is it gonna be a memorandum or anything attached to it?

Sorry.

To discuss it?

Or just anything when we're because it'll be for ad hoc, but I'm I'm interested in whatever information from the event as well or who's who is connected to. It would be interesting.

I'm not sure I understand this question.

Well, I I'm sure like, it'd be interesting to see how it came about through SV Creates, what that conversation was. But I'm I was just saying if there's any additional information on this, that would be nice to know going into the the discussion.

Yeah. Like, what will we know different maybe next month than what we have right now?

Well, we can all visit their website. Yeah.

I would just appreciate a report, but that's okay. It doesn't have A

report on what?

A report on I I really do wanna know who presented on it. I wanna know about the SV creates conversation.

That's who presented on.

That's true. Okay. If we're gonna I just I would okay. We'll see next month. That's fine.

Okay.

Do you guys want

some of these? I

I'm a take one. Thank you.

I'll just put my oh, finder, which that stays here, though, so I won't do that.

Don't do that. I'll steal it back. So think this I can take this with you. Right? Let me put in

a plug for one of our looks like it's Upstage Theater appointment sometime. Is it in April? Is it March? Are they on here? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Ride the cycle. They're wonderful. They are. So have we exhausted all? Oh,

I have one question. Everyone said at one point we can get two comps for

Not yet.

No. Haven't said that.

Not yet. The MOU has to be

We have do we set the ones for Shoreline?

Oh, yeah. Remember those?

Oh, I'm sorry. The tickets.

The tickets. That's what think.

Yeah. It usually comes out.

Yeah. You'll get an email.

Oh. Starting April

or something like that. Yeah.

Okay. So is March well, we have a quorum on March 18.

Up in here.

Everyone is has the ability to attend at this point.

There's also an SV Creates roundtable that day. I'm not too deep. I I have it written on my calendar. So