City Council - Regular Meeting

heavy shirt.

Today's a holy day of obligation. It's going to be three hours of church. Yesterday was another three hours.

We ready? going to start this meeting as all meetings at B St. Louis is with a prayer and pleasure. Our Father who in heaven be thy name, thy kingdom come, thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread and forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us. deliver us from evil. Heavenly Father, please give us guidance to know and to do the right things for our city. Amen.

To the flag of the stand.

You say obligation. Yesterday was Pearl Harbor day. It was. Some of you may have seen my iterations to people who tell me, "Oh, that's not historic. That's not historical. You know, there's an island out in the Pacific Ocean got a bunch of rusted ships in it. It's nothing but rusted ships unless you know a little history called Pearl Harbor." So, all right. This morning, uh, we got, I think, reasonably well prepared applications, which is which is good. Uh, we will move to the You say the fourth one, Jeremy, is one you're asking for first. We can do that. 507 North Second Street. New construction. New construction.

Yes.

507 North Second Street. Mr. David Budro. Uh being built, I guess, by the Mellan Blue Group represented by Glenn Landrum. Okay. Glenn. No, that's uh I was able to look with a magnifying glass on the little drawings. Uh I'll just make these comments and then I'll open up conversation if you're available for questions. Uh you gave us good drawings, so we should be able to look at that. I did note that it is specified 5V crimp metal roof. I'm just confirming that that's what the drawing show that's what you plan on building. No, the drawing shows 5V crimp. Okay.

Standing seam is acceptable, but I need to make a note because that that is not what's on the drawer. Is it lock seam or a standing seam with a press lock?

Either are acceptable. Oh yes. Corugated is very traditional. I heard that. Yes. Corrugated is probably the most traditional metal roof around, but it's fairly expensive though. I understand. Unless you get that old rusted stuff, but then again, we I don't like rusted [laughter] and and Mark had trouble. They have trouble with them leaking around. Yeah. All right. So, you're going to substitute standing seam roof

versus the 5V crimp as shown. Uh the SDL windows were shown mean with the exterior mullins typically stick on no shutters. All right. If you put shutters, you know the requirement. They have to be operational or at least appear operational. That means that if you got John, I'm going let you explain the width and the width.

30 3 0 we got two 18 inch shutters, right? Okay. If it's very wide, if it's very wide, then you have to have shutters that actually indicate that they're doubled up to where if you unfolded them, they would cover the entire window. Even if they're not operational, they just got to got to have all those leaves ready to go to look like they they cover, right? And uh yeah, we don't like eyebrows that don't that don't match the eyes. So, that's it.

All right. Uh no shutters. Yeah, you have listed carriage style garage doors. I'm confirming that y'all that's what y'all plan on putting on there. And then uh I do have a question on the drawing the the rear left side. You got some stairs that appear to be exterior stairs. I it's it's it's very difficult. Is that are those stairs covered? Are they when you when it's rain and you going to go up the stairs, they're going to get wet? It's a it's a rear view that shows the stairs and then the

reason I ask the reason I ask in this area of the country which you build st if you build stairs and there's a roof that that's going to drain on it in the morning. Oh, those inside. Yeah. Even the morning dew even the morning dew. [laughter] [clears throat] So, it's going to be it looked like garage. Yeah, it's cut away. Very good. Well, I I would hope that it would be covered. I made the mistake once. Very good. All right. Those are my comments. The I'm open up for uh questions or comments from the commissioner. Siding is board.

[clears throat] three three batt. He's got the big drawing right there. I if I remember right, this looks like a uh a combination regular. It just looks like Yeah. Okay. And it's I looked at too many of them today. No, no. Uh you got board and batten and No, everything on yours is board and bat, right? You have no horizontal lap. That's fine. Even if it was both. You have combination. I move accept

other discussion. I have a motion by Mr. John Bazoo uh to accept as presented. I'll second with with comments. Yeah. the with the clarifications the standing scene will be used and that if you put shutters on it they had to be operational or appear operational. I have a second by paddic heating like to vote the motion. I I passes four to zero.

Thank you. All right, Bill, we're going to do yours next and then Colt is gonna be here for at least two of them, maybe three. Not sure. Which one is this? Which one is this? Uh, it'll be the OG Okay. Yeah, the fifth one at 299 South Second Street. It looked like they're already starting to cannibalize it, huh? Well, they they had to do the asbesus.

They had to do the asbesus. We actually approved removal of the asbestous while school was out. Uh, and this we had conceptually approved this, but would not give we would not give them a full certificate of appropriateness without seeing what we were approving. you know what is the shortterm and long-term plans. Yeah. And uh there again from what I what was submitted I think that they have provided us with with that. So I'm going to open this up for conversation. Bill has told me they've already started seeing vandalism on that property which is unfortunate but

like what? It's also painting for Oh, yeah. You get squatters living in there. Mean the Tidwell house like across the street where I thought the No, not right.

No, no, I thought they had that one too on the on the on the uh triangle that was purchased by the people on Fargo. Oh, I thought it was it was at one time they uh Fargate Lofts bought it. They renovated. We approved it, but they had stopped stopped in dead track. They've been doing it for 25 years. The new had started but they have a second floor they had to it was like the interstate by Lafayette is anyway perpetual comments or questions open discussion so the short-term usage you're going to take it down and have gravel parking and a green space clear and you got a three to five year outlook

the driveway So you won't be able to go and well it'll just be down that to the railroad tracks now. Yeah. So where the where the street is where you go into school it'll be changed. Yeah. I walked there yesterday.

I cut through. All right. Further discussion and this is to uh for the official certificate appropriateness uh we have approved it conceptually. So I've already you know Mr. Dave has already told us that he is opposed to demolition and so that that's fine. That's why we have a multi-person board not just one person. So when they have a gym, are we when they build the gym, are we going to have to approve that? Oh, yes. Whatever they build there.

Isn't the building stuckco or something? No. No. Yeah, it's but the old building is siding which what's the the most recent building

the most recent building built there was uh I think it was part of the uh our latest academy I think I'm not sure because okay and it was it was actually a metal building that they got uh brick veneer sighting brick veneer on it and you know because I can remember Ed Woff designed it and when they first started building it I called Ed said Ed this is not at all what y'all showed us and he said you got to give me a while because they did it they covered it up it looked like a brick building discussion a motion [clears throat]

Um, we're [clears throat] approving demolition is what we're doing actually. We The motion the motion is to officially approve the demolition uh because we have received the short-term and long-term plans or what they're planning to do. Right. and make a parking lot or just just demolish

this [clears throat] it's what's physically written that no I I I think we need to make the motion as as written Okay. I make a motion to approve the demolition of the current structure at 299 South Street future intended project. The property is holy. Yeah, but that's intended. So, well, but that we we we required them to tell us what they plan to do before we would approve it. Yeah, we we want to see

the mo the motion is he said you said the motion is verbatim. So, is the motion. Now, if you want to add in here, new construction will be separately approved. You want to add that in there? But that that's that's not really motion.

Gotcha. Okay. to be replaced by a new structure to be approved by okay what he said within the three to five year outlook [clears throat] Ed chosen.

All right, I'm going to reread the motion then. The motion to approve the demolition is this is from Patty. Motion to approve the demolition of current structure 299 South Second Street with proper site grading to follow. The intended future project for the property is the Holy Trinity Catholic School expansion with a new gymnasium multi-purpose area submitted by our Lady of the Gulf Church. And this motion is as submitted in the 3 to five year plan. Meaning what you're submitting is what we're approved. That's why I have a motion.

I don't know if I say stipulating any salvageable material can be repurposed. It should be if it's got I mean it's a if it has any uh usable beams and whatnot, not necessarily on your new building, but in some form of fashion. We have to at least try to get the old building repurposed material wise. I don't know if you've got for demolition. I've seen too much demolition. just crunch them up and throw them in the dumpster. But and I haven't walked inside the building you have.

I don't know what kind of beams and joist they've got in there. But if they've got some nice original full cut beams and joist is um it's good market for it. Okay. Okay.

Okay. John, to that point, uh the motion we made and approved last month, motion to conceptually approved demo with the condition that materials in the building be reused if possible in a short-term plan and long-term plan. the potential be presented submitted removal as best as was so yes that was part of the demolition approval preliminary approval

and you're right there is there is a potential market uh I know Stannis Laws tore down their gym and it was it was a shamed amount of resalvageable and y'all not nearly the time frame that I think Stannis felt they were under they had students walking through unsafe building. That's not the case here.

Good. That's what we'd like to see. Repurpose. Okay. Okay. Tell them that was the only thing I'll second a motion. All right. I have a Go back to my notes here. I have uh Patty Keing made the motion as written and have a second by Mr. John Bazoo. Further discussion would like to vote the motion. I I

I passes three to one. Uh Mr. Dave Wesanger in the All right. Thank you, Bill. All right, co. Let's see where we start. I guess Valentine. Yeah. Okay, we can start on 242 Valentine. Didn't we look at this one once before? I swear to goodness we

only one we haven't seen. No, no, wait a sec. Uh, we had one just like it then. I think we did look at it when I pet Parker built this house.

Not the front porch. Now the entire front porch across the front of the house is it makes an L shape where it kicks in. You're gonna close that in. Make a room. Yeah, that's why it looks so familiar to me. I said, "We've done this before, don't that's what I I drove by. We just So, I guess they they the approvals expired." Anyway, uh discussion.

Um did did everybody get a chance to kind of look at what they're proposing to do? Yeah, I'll take that screen door.

Using all the existing windows that taken off. You want to sell that screen door? Huh? Okay. Okay. I have a motion by Mr. Dave Westinger to approve as submitted. Second. I have a second by Mr. Dave uh by John

Bazoo. It was this year's best. They were just trying to keep

All right, we have next one is 611 Hancock Street. New construction with a storage shed in the back. Uh this is Yeah. And I think you have had this one before us and

we just need I think you've made some minor modifications. So the front we had got this approved once for months before that pretty recently, but we just had an owner for the property take over things and they added a storage shed in the back and a little half bath off the back under the same foot. I wasn't sure because you could see the shed a little bit from the street. If y'all want to check, it isund maybe 10 ft back from the street, but Is it a prefab shed or is it a It's going to be built and trimmed up the same. I guess look at that. So, it's got the same materials as the house. Yeah.

Okay. The little the little shed door has to also be more u traditional. You got a little shed door that looks kind of just a little roll up or something. Yeah, I have it shown as a rollup. We do carriage. Yeah. So, rollup doors are not No, I've been the mean guy and say no to roll up doors before. So, yeah. Yeah, you can make them look like the ones you got already approved on the other one. That's fine. You know, you got hinges and something make it look Okay, I see what you're talking about. I had not noticed that it had a garage door, like a single wide garage door. Yeah.

Yes. That would need to be a carriage style. Further discussion. I vote that we accept the proposal as discussed with the carriage style door.

Okay. I will make the stipulation carriage style door on on the shed on the garage door for shed. Garage door for shed to be carriage style. Um before I go in, you also on the original drawings on page two or four. Uh you've got a similar type overhead door in that old on the existing of the new structure, the new building, new house. You got two doors like that. The the garage on the house has two overhead doors. One of which looks like the one we just discussed on this shed.

Or is that It's just the generic. We have the one that has the carriage that we do the house. Okay. Just making sure that that proper one right there. We're talking about two different doors. One of which is in contention for this particular meeting, but one of which should have been discussed on the last meeting. Okay. Just take a clarification. So there's a garage door attached to a house. That's correct. Okay. So that that garage door needs to be carried style off. Yeah. Sing the singular one is the one I'm talking about. That will be visible just as much as the other one.

Okay. I have a motion by Mr. Bazoo. I need a second. I'll second.

All right. No further discussion. Vote the motion. I All right, Cole. What else you got, Bubba? Okay. No, that that that's today's a good day to do it. No, that's okay. Okay.

Oh, wait. That's That's my That's two three houses from my son's. Yeah.

I mean, The address is citizen notes anchor their address. That's really weird. I mean, I don't know how they got away with that. Your original between

let let Jeremy tell. So what was approved? They did something where they were going to have above the garage. They told me they told me it was going to be a storage like structure accessory structure rather

put a covered footar.

Yeah. If it was attached to the house, you have 20 foot backyard set back. If it's an access separate structure, it's a five foot set. now. Now, now now this you raised a question. This was the 20 foot set back here. Well, the address is this way. See what I'm saying? So, they get the original people that built this house. Not these are not the people that built the house. I know that. right after Katrina maybe a couple couple years after I mean

no sheet metal wall.

He's got a plastic. He's got 12. [clears throat] I know which house you're talking about. I don't know what she is. This is

Valentine or Citizen. near Hancock wall and a 10ft all the way down the side. You're right.

There was 911. There's one downstairs. I know. It is the uh it is absolutely

everything and it's not attached to the house. It was attached to the house. It was and now it is not. Wait, but I don't recall the covered walkway. Is this new? Yeah, there was on there before. Yeah, it was a it was that's how they were going to attach it to the house. That way it was not an accessory structure. It was part of the house. No, that was what was that we did approve. Okay, good. You said no to somebody. I'm glad you're glad it's not approved.

He's got it. Whatever they want. So it's an

not they can do an unattached walkway. I mean you can walk walk to it but cover from rain. I would I just put a separate cover between the two. tuck under either way. Just have it so you so it's at least what we need to do is look at this and see if there's any reason why unattached not attached something that's from here to there without getting

a little I mean I wouldn't do I would just independent pretend you would say it's not attached but it is it won't be attached. It won't be attached. If you attach it then it becomes an insurance. If it's not attached it's an independent just a cover. So this is on your part of your It's just a cover. It's just a cover. See this is like your insurance. No no no this you're looking from the back here. Okay. If if you just if somebody wants to walk from here to here and not get wet, I mean, why not

do a little tuck under the uh overhangs and you know have a little covered aluminum or anything. Doesn't matter. Something that just covers between the two. They can walk from this house to here. Well, I mean, I'm not saying to use aluminum in the historic district, but you could take and put a little That's a little gay little you a little roof over the thing and even come down a little further if you want. You're just walking through. If it was my house, that's what I would like a trellis looking thing with the roof.

You could put trellis on either side of it. Yeah. Make a trellis. I don't you know what it looks like. But if you depend doesn't matter what the look is. If you just you come across under under this overhang and under this overhang at least when it hits water's not hitting your head when you're trying to get to your car. Yeah. Doesn't matter what you do. But it's not attached. So this is it's not attached. I think that's going to happen down the road. I think that your owners are going to want to be able to cover themselves from going from one house to the to the carp point.

Okay. I think while we're we're talking and discussing What I'm saying that we recommend that right now before it comes before us again that we put some kind of structure between the two not out of aluminum those wood material cover the walkway something to cover them I mean you don't have to attach it to either one of these structures you can just have just a a pass through do you want to approve that as an option I think we I think that the owners are going to come back and want something to me that's the dumbest thing in the world I apologize to say to say it. No, I you designed it. I'm sorry about that, but that's that's not He did. He said that

I uh that's why I asked the guy about the stairs because even in the morning dew to drip off of the roof onto a set of stairs, it's like a it's like a waterfall. Right now, I'd just like to say I'd recommend that we we pre-approve some covered walkway out of similar materials to either the house or the other thing. Okay. Roof, the whole thing. It' be a shed roof type thing in wood with a metal roof like you got on there and and you can put trellis. You could put two columns there. Does columns on either side just to make sure it could be a T structure for all that may go like this with with two little

two little brackets like that. You have one post on one side, one on the other, and this will be the roof. You know, just slope it. get keep rain off of my wife's head when she walks to the car cuz you didn't think about that, John. I mean, that that's to me, you know, that's just me. Sounds like sounds like you've had that conversation before. I have this conversation all the time with all my clients anyway. Okay.

My son might not like too much. I'm just going to say that we we pre-approved some structure of sorts that that you could if they want to hide the look like trellis like you said put plants garden. Jeremy, do you see that as creating a uh a zoning planning and zoning issue? Okay. Well, I know that post

Jeremy keeps blinders in the car. All right. So here I'm write this is a stipulation per discussion not attached to either the carport or the house nonattached I mean right now that seems to be an issue because once it's attached then you have to have a 20 foot 20 foot setback back here correct all right this is ancillary structure got nonattached cover right for you, Jeremy. If it's not attached, it's not attaching to make sure that that variance doesn't get you

position. We were not cover this way and one post this way. That way it's not attached to this. It's only attached to this.

I understand the rule the five foot setback problem know that that standard it's got to be which this is now without with this The wife's going to wrote it out. [laughter]

Yes. really want your groceries to be 12 that okay per discussion nonattached covered walkway between existing house and the proposed what are we referring to structure garage what proposed addition proposed ancillary building auxiliary structure whatever which is the carport and garage spell a n c L ancillary. Ancillary. A n ancillary or auxiliary. L A R Y. We call it We call it auxiliary.

Why don't you just put additional She already sp your SAT word. This is this will be a stipulation. In the motion. Do we have This is a change to a previously approved I'm in the meeting

previously approved uh plan building separated separated from the house. Any further discussion? Are we ready to make a motion? I think I was making a motion when I found out.

What was I saying? Approved as a motion. The stipulation. The motion will include a stipulation as per discussion an an unattached covered walkway between the existing house and ancillary building is preapproved. Yeah. If the element ancillary accessory it's called an accessory structure. Accessory that's that's in the rules about about this this five. I will write I will the word will be accessory building. Right. I second.

All right. I have a motion by Mr. John Bazoo with that stipulation. Have a second by by Miss Pat Kitty. Any further discussion? You vote the motion. I files are all good. Okay. The last one we have is this swimming pool. Do you Yeah. Oh, he's adding a pool. Yeah, that's a

Yeah, that's a nice I remember.

All right. The uh last one that we have on the agenda today is for a swimming pool in the backyard at 346 Main Street. Uh it's the construction of that. I drove by there and I could not see the building in the back which is shown on the drawing. Jeremy was good enough to look at uh a a an overhead view and there is indeed a building back there that exists back behind that fence back there

that's really I don't have an objection at all.

Drawing and it the drawing does show that the guest house and the covered porch are there. And I'm going to make a note that because I have a question here. Are they being built? No, they're existing. So all of this is a request to put an ingground pool. Looks like they have a pergola back there with an outdoor type living area which is open per type way unless it's there and I don't know. It probably is already there. I say

All right. Do we have any questions? obviously not here, but I think we have the details that's that's needed. Uh I do notice Jeremy and on his uh application form did not check what he was doing. I'm going to put this as an addition renovation and as such he should have had some photographs which he does not. But I think we have the sufficient information to be able to make a decision. Make a motion accept.

Okay. I have a motion with Mr. John Bazoo. Uh except as position as presented. Do we have any further discussion before we get a second? Can I get a second? Have a second by Mr. Dave Westinger. Like to vote the motion. Hi.

All right. All right. Then we have the guess code was okay. The meeting minutes from the two previous meetings. Uh I'd like to go over the October meeting first and you have a chance look at it. I don't believe there's any That's one where uh Patty, you were in North Carolina had Yeah, we had we had to use the backup contingency and Matt called in by phone.

Uh objection. Yeah, Woff sat in for one of them because he was not involved. Well, then I see this one has new house at 611 Hancock and we thought we just did 611 Hanco.

Okay. Any noted discrepancies on the meeting minutes? I get a motion to approve the meeting minutes from October 13th. Have a motion by M. Dave Wessinger. I have a second by Mr. John Bazoo. Like to vote motion. I I minutes for October 13th meeting were approved. We have the meeting minutes from the last meeting in November 10th. Uh,

was that I know I wrote an email to everybody that was just kind of justformational. I met with Paul Barker this morning by accident. He said, "April was upset because of my email." I said, "Look, I was just trying to make a point." That was at 260 Washington. But when did we approve 260 Washington for demo and not demo for addition. I thought it was Yeah. Yeah. Well, no. Yeah. Okay. Well, that's what I want to Okay. September. Let's approve these and before we I'll talk about that.

Okay. All right. So, we're looking at the meeting minutes from the November 10th meeting, which was last month. Uh I I move we approve November 10th. May I have a motion by Mr. Bazoo to approve the motion the minutes from the November 10th meeting. Have a uh second by Mr. Dave Wessinger. Vote motion.

I pass four to zero. All right. Any other further business for uh Mr. Bazoo has has something he wants to discuss. I just want to correct not necessarily correct but let's see back November 20th I wrote an email and why I did that was because the neighbor across the street 59 Washington that we just built that house for we had to she and I had a discussion before we approved this one. She says well I thought they weren't going to demolish the little golf cart thing. She took a picture and she sent it to me and the golf cart uh building is demolished.

And I and I again looked at the plans, went down, looked at everything. I said, "Well, let me read my email." Jeremy, if I'm not mistaken, you did not approve the demolition of the golf cart structure at the rear of 260 October 13th meeting. Are we approving October meeting minutes? And I don't see that on there. Well, it says October 13th is when I was looking Yeah, we had to play somewhere. It was September.

Anyway, that that that's that's kind of moved now. You had a before and after. Yeah, I've looked at it every day when we're building the house across the street and when they asked for it. It had a golf cart shoring,

right?

A cab. Yes. To that structure. You thought that? Yeah. Well, that's what I did, too. I told Paul, I said, "Paul, look, it's it's kind of moved, but you know, she he says, "Well, it's not historical. It's a new structure. We built it." I said, "That's not the case, Paul. This is a historic district."

I said, "If you're going to say, I'm going to demo the golf cart shed that we just built to to put a cabana in, then let us consider that." But it wasn't even presented in the meeting. wasn't my neighbor across the street. After having discussions with her, she said, "What are they putting across the street?" I said, "A nice addition. It's going to be twotory. It really won't affect your your view here, Susie. You'll be no that it's going to look the same. That's really no problem. Besides, if they build what they said they're going to build and not demolish the golf cart structure, I told the Paul, I said,

you could still drive the golf cart down the left side because it's 10 foot. It's was a setback was what 8 feet or so. you could have gone down there and it would have been visible. He says, "Yeah, but we had to tear it down because we put the cabana back there." I said, "Exactly, Paul. Y'all didn't ask to tear it down." And my neighbor caught that, not me. And I did this on behalf of her. And I just wanted I just like I said, just to be clear, not all information or intention to demolish and replace the cart structure was presented at the meeting. This needs to be cleared up and explain why it was left out of the presentation. Well, like Paul told me this morning, he says, "I would have jumped all over you. My wife's totally upset and this that and the other." I said, "Well, who's Paul?" Paul Parker, April's husband.

Construction. Parker Construction. Okay. They they built the house. Yeah. They built the cart about five years ago, plus or minus. Brand new house, basically. New. It's their house. No, it's a client's house. The client wants to tear down that cart. They did without anybody's permission, basically. and they're building the addition that we we approved and got they got a permit for it. But like I said, my neighbor in the Okay. So, she noticed it was gone. She said, "I thought you said it was staying." I said, "Well, it never said they never asked to demolish it." Anyway, well, the thing about that whole that whole project when they brought that was they filled up talking about filling up.

They don't have room in there for anything other than the stuff they got there. prohibition y'all got the number that is every

the in the back Paul clarified he says well it's going to be it's going to be an auxiliary structure auxiliary structure whatever. Uh that's going to be cabana, some kind of cabana. So, and it's not attached to any addition. So, just so be clear, we we just didn't get presented. That's all we have to be careful about what we look for. Look at Jeremy, you may not know. That's okay. They the pe it's up to their responsibility to tell us what they're going to do and we have to review that. We usually try to pick up on that stuff. Kind of like the swimming pool today. They already got a fence.

Maybe. But like my like my owner said, yeah, here I here we had already approved it. And she says, "Well, what are they doing back there?" Well, it's not going to be too bad, Susie. You know, you're that little golf cart structure is going to be there. You'll be able to see the see the thing because it's off the it's off the property line. You'll be able to see down that sight line and it'll still be there. You know, that's no big. I said, "But they have an entrance that came about. It's going to look nice." I convinced it to look nice. A month later, they just tore down. What? What do you mean she look nice? I said it wasn't on our point. That's all I was trying to say. Just need to be cocky. They ask forgiveness instead of Jeremy can tell you I got a little ill with some folks over the Pontiac thing, too. So,

that one too. Exactly. I'm not so bad that we probably should have just at least been explained that that structure has to go. We're going to replace it with the cabana. I don't know where the golf go. [laughter] Exactly. And again, it it was just something that was missed by them presenting like let's get by. It's just an omission, right? It may have been intentional, may not, but I don't

I don't think it was intentional. They should have had on said this goes and we golf still. Let me ask you a question. Has anybody else been contacted by the guy at 207? He said he sent an email to you and me, I think.

Okay. Well, I answered it back. He posted back in town and I said, "Call me, you know, you got my number. Call me text and I'll come right around a couple blocks." I had a He's got some plan that he's going to submit to us about. It's an Lshaped old house and he's got some plan developing to come in front of us but so far I haven't seen it and also I haven't been around but I agreed to go around that's okay I have one more here what is the street you know easy street

is that lane lane lane okay on Karen lane we approve there but of the ranch style right in the middle of the block on the Yes. Start.

Okay. And we were trying to put some lipstick on it like that. Let me tell you what they have done. They have put in dozens of feet of foot vinyl fence together with an overhang off the left hand. for a garage. It looks horrible. We did not approve that. It's absolutely illegal according to our guidelines that never

that building somewhere under the radar. It's actually I'm not mistaken on it wasn't grandfather. It wasn't built before. I don't believe it. But but anyway, I'm just saying that if we're going to have any kind of What do you do about it? I don't know. What do you do about that? That I mean it looks like crap and illegal in this. How many time? It would be Karen Lane. It's on Karen Lane.

I can tell you which is only two blocks long there. Yes, there's a It's that one. That's as you go on from Third Street down on the right hand side. You looked at that vinyl, white vinyl by the granite place, the cabinet place one block over.

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. They just down. They're building a new house and they're right across the street right now. But uh across from it is this house and they came in front of it a couple of times. thing and then what they did they built on the house and they came in front But on either end, I'm telling you all that right next to the wooden cabin right next to the cabin

across from the old school. Okay. That house sat there for sale for a long time. And they went right there and it's a plastic fence. It's a wood. the old wood househ.

Now the question is, you know what I mean? I realize that uh I'm an old you know and everything and I complain about you're not old. I don't mind. [laughter] I guess the question is do we really address Yeah. This one's too soon. Yeah. Who? Who? 222 Karen Lane. Can you not ask for forgiveness? You just have to say no. It has to go. Yeah. What? What is the Okay, look. What you talking about? It's 222 Karen Lane. Um this is Jesse Lewis's family died in this block. That's

Larry Larry's house. You know, talk Larry Lewis is um that that's peopleished in this which is on slab brick house still there is I'd like to see when it was built because it it uh 222 I don't know it says residence when it was built it was built 2006 after Katrina I'm telling you it was built on the ground thinking well at the time it got just right after the guy on Bay got one slab on the when they changed it to the uh VF changed up it's a flood definitely a flood zone

and it looks like I mean I don't know what the elevation is that might be high but I doubt okay that's just a doubt anyway that's that's the location and that they built a little car on this side okay and the owner is Yeah, they live on fire road Karen LLC. It's a company is an Airbnb. It's an Airbnb. It's going to be it's called Karen LLC and the people that own fire.

Well, that one on Carol Avenue with all that all the side the house that was for sale forever with the stairs outside. At any rate, you talk about every square inch is covered. I walked by there, looked at it again. I walked I walked the city because I walked the city before I walked this whole 14,000 steps, looked at all this other that partic that particular house. I've probably been by it so many times because we lived in the neighborhood after Katrina was going to made that and that house then was built on the ground and just stayed unfinished for a long time.

It was unfinished when we when they came in front of us. Exactly. With a bunch with a always, you know, building permit, building permit, all this stuff. All the stuff was before we even had commission 2006, right? Yes. But but the expense and stuff has come since we we considered since I've been on the commission and we approved that box thing on the front. It used to go straight across. They got a little kind of entry for not a foyer, but it's a room up there. I don't know what the place looks like. I'm just telling you that it's got miles of vinyl fence and around

and it looks it's well go further. One lesson on Karen Lane down the block where it makes a U-turn to Easy Street, left turn to easy street. We spent a lot of time this property. Roy Chadville this whole big old structure which goes to St. Charles Streets about That's a thing. He's got a Burbo sign. Exactly. But we did we we did a lot of

He had He wanted to put wire up. And we made him put little wood frame which is what he has now. Very nice. It's an odd shaped lot. That's correct. And the next to him between him and the one that I just pointed out to you. That's the shallowest lot of a house in town. They can't come out. That's the Jesse Lewis. And they going and it's for sale. It's been for sale for a long time. Yeah.

I mean Larry Larry's room. The name was the name was last name and that became natural causes around and anyway it's for sale and it's I'm sure it's going to have a tough time getting some good insurance and it's both of those houses that house that one were talking about are on the ground.

We don't control that. That's somebody wants to buy it and spend money on insurance that's fine or or flatten it and build something else living it without injury. Anyway, your your point's well taken because that stuff doesn't come before us. Things like this happens all the time. Not that we we are the police basically. We're not Well, what do they do about the vinyl? What do they do? Did you have a permit? Take it down. Okay. Do you have to have a permit? Put up a fence. Even fence. Yes. Even a full fence. Put up a fence. Get a permit. What about your repair fence? What about like like if like on our street? You have an existing fence that you're repairing

like on our street. We need to we're going to need to deal with that whole other side. If you're repair a repair any kind unless you're going to spend a significant amount of money because we're having trouble with the dogs on on air coming under there and stuff like that. So we don't we just replace everybody replace Jeremy not I'm not going to make a motion and do it this way but uh yeah if those those two plays are placed next to Bill Adams uh shop Mell. I think he did.

Well, is it the one right on the corner or the one right next to the shop? Blaze. Blaze. Blaz. Somebody named Blaze. Yeah, they got that that vinyl fencing. Vinyl fencing and there's other vinyl fencing. I mean those are blatant and we should at least

yeah at least say you know submit send a letter to them and say this fence was not approved. It is not an approved type fence. It needs to be removed and a request be submitted to the via the normal channels. What? They put

They did. I didn't right next to the mocking bird. It was a cute building. Most people don't. I guess I'm short because I guess I didn't notice it. Do we have other discussion? I make a motion to adjurnn. Okay. I have a a motion to adjurnn and by Patty and a second by Dave. Vote the motion. I I mean these