City Council - Regular Meeting

This is moving right along. Want to welcome everybody uh to the Centerville City Council meeting being held here on February 3rd, 2026. Uh we welcome those of the public that are either here in person or uh join us by Zoom. We welcome staff. We welcome uh council members as well, too. Let's do a roll call to make sure that we can conduct business tonight. Councilman Mikum Mikum present. Bangader present. Amen present. Hurst present. Plumber present.

All five council uh members are here and we thank you for being here and we thank you for uh what you do for the city and what you've done to prepare for tonight's meeting. So, let's do a legislative prayer thought by Councilwoman Roham.

I'll just give a prayer. Our kind heavenly father, we thank thee so much for all of our many blessings. We're so thankful for the great city we get to live in and the opportunity we have to serve our community and for those that live in our community and their willingness to serve each other. Heavenly Father, we ask you please to bless us this night that we will be able to make the decisions that are best for those we govern. And please ask thee to put blessings on all of our first responders that they will be re protected, they will be comforted, and they will be able to serve us well. I say this prayer in Jesus Christ. Amen.

Amen. Thank you, Council Member V. All rise and repeat the pledge of allegiance with me. I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

Um, the next item uh on our agenda is the open session. This is an opportunity for members of the public to come to the microphone and share what might be on their mind. We ask you try and keep your comments to two or three minutes. Identify who you are. if you're so inclined to speak and where you're from. Now, we do have two public hearing items tonight that you don't necessarily need to comment on those if that's what you're here for. That this is on the uh the zoning map amendment uh on uh 2000 North Warner West residential low to agricultural low and a zoning and called municipal code amendments on the comprehensive LNA ladma renumbering. So, we'll be talking those and the pu uh public can talk about those. But anything outside of that is free game. Just like I say, identify yourself and where you're from if you're so inclined.

So, you're the one. I guess that means I get 20 minutes, right? No.

So, I'm John Yuri over near Shaylin and uh thank you for the opportunity to be here tonight. First want to thank Gina for supporting this effort and think things through and and uh just pushing this forward and Shayen, thank you for your feedback and support and being a great neighbor. Um so just have a few notes here. So I think you've all received an some more than one but emails about adopting a water wise landscaping ordinance. Uh my understanding is that that ordinance is now being worked by the planning commission and I'm grateful for that. I just encourage each of you whenever you have chance to push it push it along and uh have been supported as it comes to this body. Um so you've seen the email. I hope you've read it. You probably know what it said, but I'm going to summarize a little bit of it. So I think you all are aware we're in position where our lake is considered in a serious adverse effects zone which means that there are has potential for ecological collapse large economic impacts and toxic dust causing significant public health risks and accelerated lake desiccation. As far as the Weber Basin that we live in, agricultural use has reduced by 40% in the last 25 years. The water used, whereas municipal and industrial use of water has almost doubled in 25 years, which is kind of backwards from what much of the country does as they grow. Um, and now it pretty much equals what agriculture uses. And for that water that comes to our homes, only about two and a half% of it is lost inside our homes. So about 98% is lost in our yards as far as getting out to the lake. So it's a pretty bad situation. I think you're all seeing

that as you look out at the weather and where we're at this year and and uh nearly no pack. Um so I know that you might have various concerns. I want you to know I'm happy to talk through it any of them with you, but I do want to touch on one. I know that there's been a lot of concern raised about the appearance of water water wise landscaping. Based on our current situation this year, I think you'll all agree it's very unlikely that we're all going to have green lawns this year, particularly towards the end of the summer. Water wise landscaping done well, I assure you, is going to look great. I can show you lots of examples, including a little bit that I've done in our yard. Um, and it's certainly much more appealing than brown lawns. I've seen in the past in times of drought that that various citizens throughout the city, they're motivated to go in and remove the turf. If they do that, right now, they have no incentive from the city or the state to to not put in just rocks and turf. And I I know some of you don't like that. So, if we pass this ordinance, they're going to have a big financial incentive from the state to follow the requirements of rebates, which require 50% plant coverage and also provides rebates for each tree planted. So, to sum it up, I just want to say um it's a big deal. I also want you to know I am a person of faith. I do believe God can send snow when he chooses to. I also believe he expects us to do our part. And I believe that if you want help in building your ship to the promised land, you should first go find the ore and build the tools before you expect to get the help. This is an all hands-on debt crisis and we have to do our part. Even small part, we all need to pay. So if you support this ordinance, thank you.

If you don't, please call me and let's talk it through. Thank you.

Thank you, John. As Jesus said, planning commission is working on that and uh councilwoman uh hur and councilman summer went with our city manager uh some months back and worked with Weaver Basin too on it. Correct. So uh we we play we plan on having have having one that's decent. So thank thank you for your time and your efforts. All right. Uh anybody else on the open session? Okay. If not, we'll go to our business items. Uh the first item is the public hearing and this is uh on 2000 North and 400 West uh residential low to agricultural low. Uh this is something that went through planning commission and now it's come to us. Uh, and uh, Sydney, are you going to besides what they have in their packet, do you want to update us or is it Mike? Come on up. Hi, city council members. Thank you for letting me come and present this. So um this is for the zoning map amendment. The applicant Spencer Packer is requesting a zoning map amendment associated with subject property parcel number 070720115. The property is currently zoned residential low RL and the owner is requesting to have it be reszoned to agriculture low. This application was recently reviewed by the planning commission on January 28th, 2026. Following the public hearing regarding the request, the planning

commission approved the recommendation for city council approval of the reszone request 5 to 0. Um, with that being said, I will say that in the staff report, I noted that the location was in neighborhood 3 and it is actually indeed in location um, neighborhood 4. They are very similar. Um, if the city council members would like to see the neighborhood for goals and objectives, I have them right here. Um, if not, I can go through those really quickly just so then, um, you can kind of get a generalization about what those goals are and how this project still does meet the neighborhood for goals and objectives. Okay. Goal number one is to establish appropriate land use patterns and land use transitions. Um, this zoning map amendment does meet this goal. The surrounding land uses our agriculture low to the north and the east and residential low to the south and the west. The following goal is to preserve the existing areas of semi-ural residential for current property owners. This property has been used as agriculture low as far back as it has been ex in existence. Um so keeping this lot viable for AL use is in line with this goal. Again the following goal um preserve viability of area for potential future development. The whole point of this reszone is to be able to have the property owner be um to be able to do what he wants to do for this property. um as well as making sure that it is aligned with the rest of the neighborhood. Um the rest of the goals, so the next four following goals do not really pertain to this type of reszone. Um it primarily focuses on the type of

density as well as commercial use in that area. So with those three goals in mind, um staff still believes that it is aligned with the neighborhood four goals and objectives. So, um I I like to let city council members read the staff report um that I that I've prepared and hopefully that um if you have any questions, please feel free to ask. The only alteration that I would do um is for the potential motions. They refer to neighborhood three. Just make sure that whatever you so choose, it does say neighborhood 4. Is the reference correct though? The 12480-4.

Oo, it is 1280-5. Thank you. Um, any questions for uh Sydney uh on this before we go to the public hearing? Sydney, I'm sorry. You could have more later, too, but go ahead. I did not mean to interrupt you. Where where is the reference to neighborhood 3 versus neighborhood 4? I look I can see the recommendation in staff report, but is there a It's in the planning commission. It's in the planning commission report. It's also um in the proposed motion finding number two.

Yes. Finding number one. Oh yeah, number one. So part of a reason, we just like to make sure that it aligns with the general plan. Um, so during the planning commission meetings, we always go through and we make sure that the goals and objectives of the reszone are aligned with the neighborhood that they're trying to resone in, whether that's commercial or residential. So, as part of the reason for the planning commission,

Sydney, um, can you can we pull up the map and you can just show me? I what was described in the text? I I'm not sure I followed on to the map. Um he talks about this the um parcel to the east of the subject property. I'm just I I only see one called out on the map. Yeah. Yeah. So can you just give me a feel for I it seemed like there was not access to it was the comment. So that's the one that we're Okay. No. This is Sorry. Thank you. Thanks. Why is there not access to it?

Yeah, that's that's a good question. And that's actually what we're trying to correct right now. So his goal is to be able to have a barn on this property. And when he came in to talk to us, we said, "Okay, we can't do that obviously because it doesn't have frontage." So we also can't have a lot that has split zoning. So we decided that we were going to reszone this to agriculture low because then at that point he can have a barn which is an agriculture use without having a house already. Sorry that makes sense. When I read it and looked at the map I was like which parcel is the one where the barn is going to be? I get it now. Yeah. No. Okay.

Other questions for Sydney? All right, let's go to the public hearing uh part then. This uh this is a public hearing for uh zoning map amendments from res residential low to agricultural low at approximately 2,000 north and 400 west. If you're so inclined uh to comment on the public hearing, state your name and where you're from. That public hearing is now open. Seeing no comments, I will close the public hearing and uh we'll come back to if there's any further questions. I should point out uh that the applicant Spence Packer, he was at the planning commission and he he didn't have much to add uh that staff had done a good job and he uh agreed with what they had said. So um but uh so questions are for staff if you have any uh further questions then anybody want to make a motion? I move that we approve ordinance number 2026-02 amending the Centerville city zoning map by changing the zoning of approximately 050 acres of real property located at approximately 2,000 north 400 west from residential low to agricultural low as set forth in staff report with the correction that finding number one should read concerning neighborhood 4 rather than neighborhood three

and also had the cm centerville municipal code 12-480 -5. Can I Can I amend it? Yes, ma'am. I will accept that friendly amendment. I'll second that. Motion second. Further discussion? Let's vote. Council Mikum. I I I I I both passes unanimously. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. All right, let's go to another public hearing matter. This is uh zoning code and uh municipal code amendments on the comprehensive lma renumbering. Uh besides what we have in our pack packet, tell us about reing, Lisa. Yes, if you would.

The legislature adopted Senate Bill 10008 late in the year. I think they adopted it in October in a their first special session, but essentially it completely renumbers and reorganizes the um Utah Municipal Land Use and Development Code. So, we were all used to the 10-9A and we knew where everything was for decades and now it will be in 10-20 and then the housing policies are in 10-21. So, uh, it's been a struggle to get used to that, but we're all making our way through. But we're recommending that the council adopt this, uh, ordinance 2026-01, um, making all of the references in our municipal code to the new section of LMA. Um, and also in our zoning code. So, that's why this went to the planning commission. Uh, municipal code amendments don't necessarily have to go to the planning commission, but since we're also changing our zoning code, it went to the planning commission and they recommend approval. So, we do need to have a public hearing on it, but um, other than that, we just recommend that we make these changes. I can see you're not feeling my pain.

Oh, I actually was so feeling your pain. I was thinking this is a tedious, awful. This is very tedious. No, I just mean not knowing where any of the code is. Now, I think I think there might be one slight typo. Number one, two, three, four down from section one. I believe it should be CMC3.08.070. This one? Yeah, there's not a there's not a 080. Oh, okay. So, I did a little search. Nice. Lisa has trained me well. I know. Shove all of these and I checked them all. Gina, you are you get the gold star, man. Wow.

I checked them. Here's here's here's your intern. I'm not actually no interest in the second the 98 money. Okay. So, but everything else was great. I was like, needs to be 3.08.070. Yeah, there's just not a 080. So, um, anyway, that is I did check that 070 did refer to Utah code 10-98-801. So, but double check me, Lisa, because you're more Yeah, I'm concise and complete than me. I am like bowing down to you right now. That is that is incredible, man.

So, thanks for bringing that up. Uh any any other items that uh anybody sees need to be corrected or getting further understanding of this from Lisa of what we're doing here? If not, then I guess I'm looking for a motion on it. Mayor, did you open a public hearing?

Oh, thank you. Uh uh Councilman Banger, I've been known to to miss him once or twice, but one of you always catches me. So, thank you. All right. So, this is a public hearing matter. So, let's go to the public hearing for the consensive LMA reumbering. Uh that public hearing is now open. Just state your name and where you're from. I can't believe everyone is not here wanting to comment on this change. Right. If they were all conscientious like Gina, we'd have a whole room.

I learned I learn I actually learned quite a bit in kind of reviewing this. It was a good walk through our land use and housing type ordinances zoning. Seeing no comment, I will close the public hearing. and then we'll come back uh if there's not any further discussion uh or questions and I'd look for a motion. I'll make a motion that we approve ordinance number 2026-01 amending various pro provisions of the Centerville Zoning Code and Centerville Municipal Code to address comprehensive renumbering of the Utah Land Use Development and Management Act from title 10 chapter 9A of the Utah code to title 10 chapters 20 and 21. with the one revision that you

with the one revision referencing my word now I got to go find it see 3.08 080 to 3.08.07 07 70. Yes. As Lisa As Lisa said, I won't repeat that. I'll second that. Motion to second. Further discussion. Start with a vote from Councilman Banget or going to the right. I a hearty. I I I.

That passes unanimously. Thank you. All right. Let's go to the minutes. We have January 6, 2026, city council and January 6, 2026 close session, which we tabled and brought forward and January 20th work session and city council minutes. Um, so we have those four to approve. Is there items in any of those four minutes that uh you anyone sees as being represented unfairly or we need changes to?

Mayor,

certainly not represented unfairly. But on our approval of council minutes on January 20th, 26 uh in conformity with uh the Open Meetings Act, Utah Opens Meeting Act 524203 and our city municipal code 30.060, 060 specifically item G where it says uh written minutes are required to include the following any information any other information that is a record of the proceedings of the meeting that any member requests be entered in the meeting or recording uh I don't see the closment that I suggested last council meeting that the the handout that uh our tree chairman Heather Taylor supplied, it was not attached as a as an attachment. Uh I I'd like to direct staff to do that. Uh she didn't have time and didn't take the time to read it in its entirety. I think it's two great options. I'd like the public to so so it wasn't it's not available on on audio or video. and she took the time meticulously so to make a specific recommendation. I'd like the content of that to be included in these minutes. Uh and ask us after that.

The that's the 20th. I thought it was on the 6th. That was the 20th. Yeah. No, it's the sixth. Oh, did I miss Yeah, that she she came and commented on the sixth, I believe. I'm sorry. Yeah, the sixth. Uh, okay. Uh, do you have a copy of that? I do have a copy of it. I was under the impression after we discussed this last time that we don't include all of open session handouts in our minutes. Did I misunderstand your direction on that?

That's uh what uh I guess council needs to vote to approve the minutes or not, you know. However, may I point out that state statute and municipal code says it will be included if any me if any or any other information that is a record of the proceedings which it is uh of the meeting that any member I happen to be one of the members of the committee request be entered into the minutes or recording. I don't think it's even a so item of debate. If we don't have any other is there any other minute changes?

If not then you can make a proposal and with the proposal you know you could make that change the to put those in there. I would approve that those minutes be approved as recorded with the addition of that those draft minutes be recorded with the

Can I just ask for some clarification though? If if he was to if Councilman Bangoder was to request that that it was added and and we vote on it and we do not or for some reason it we didn't want or it did not pass the vote. How he's requesting that it get put in. It should not be a question of debate or up for any type of vote. It just needs to be put into the minutes. Is that correct? But but I have I have to have you still have a motion on the minutes. I have to have a motion for the minutes and we're changing the minutes. So that's to in his motion he's proposing that change to Okay. Very good. Thank you.

Okay. I'm sorry. Can you tell me those to the statutory site that you're relying on in the ordinance citation? Uh Utah code 52-4-203 conforming with Centerville City Municipal Code 30.0. 060 number G

which comes right after the section that says the substance in brief of the testimony or comments provided by the public. So the substance in which is typically what we do if we have public comment we give a paragraph of what they said. Um but it does say and any other information that is a record of the proceedings of the meeting. Um I think if if the vote is to add those you know we can have a broader discussion because to have minutes with a 100 pages of attachments I mean there has to be some policy or agreement um or we will have very lengthy minutes of attachments but um I think occasionally we have added attachments um

we have so you know it can yes legally you can do it Um, but the body votes on the minutes as to, you know, whether they properly reflect the meeting. So, I'll go ahead and second. Councilman Bangaders. Uh, does everybody uh understand the motion in the second? It's to include Heather Taylor's comments or written comments that she did not uh state in the session or in the council meeting. Correct. But she did pass out that she did pass them out.

I'm I'm kind of anxious to hear what Shayen's take is on the Well, this is a further discussion before we do a vote. Then we have a motion to second. further discussion.

Yeah, I mean I'm looking at the the statute section that council member Bangador cites and any other information that is a record of the proceeding of the meeting. And to me, I would I would be curious to know what information that is a record of the proceeding of the meeting means because the the suggestion that it's any handout that was given by a member of the public, I'm not sure that that is the way that that language it is interpreted or would be interpreted because you have to think of the practical implications. Otherwise, people would just bring stacks and reams of stuff to stick into a public record. And I'm not sure that that would be a record of the proceedings. In my view, a a way to interpret that statute would be to say the information is to say that she provided a handout and that would provide a record of the handout but not necessarily all the substance.

Well, and that's why I cited the sentence above the substance and brief of the testimony or comments provided by the public. So we do not provide a verbatim of all the public comment in the minutes nor do we attach verbatim written comments from the public. So we have a lot of comments on the general plan. You will be getting those. Some we've had hundreds of pages and so what we do is we put them in the record of the staff report because it is part of the record but the minutes are a summary of that testimony or you know that public comment. So that's why I'm saying I think it's a slippery, you know, if you if we attach this, let's have a broader discussion because I don't think the intent of minutes is to add verbatim all public comment. There's a different way to do that and it's in the record of the staff report and the you know the proceedings.

Council members, please understand that uh that the record of the meeting is what happened, what was transpired. It was not recorded uh a by audio and this limits it. Shaylin, if somebody or council member Heymon, if somebody comes in with a thousand pages, it takes one of us to say that they want it in the minutes. Correct. That's what I

Now, we will use some discretion. I I would not have suggested that three paragraphs uh that well I would not have suggested that a thousand pages of documents showered upon the council be entered into a record of the minutes. I do believe that this allows and addresses the idea that when there's something specific I think it's it's important it's paramount to what we're doing right now approving the general plan. specific wording. We won't have to figure out our own. It was a very good suggestion with two options to choose from. I think that's a very appropriate thing to to suggest be entered into the minutes and I believe that's substantiated and backed up by code. So

that's what I was going to say is we're not saying that we'll accept any attachment. one of the council members has to say they want it attached. And hopefully we would all have reason to realize that, you know, we can attach three paragraphs. We can't attach 300 pages. So, but we can attach 300 pages. Well, we can Well, that's my concern right there is that then they're not then it isn't a summary any longer.

It becomes verbatim, which I think is not the intent. I'm fine with a little more detail. I'm concerned that we're on a very slippery slope of making it very difficult to either we have a policy that we attach it or we have a policy that we don't. I guess the intent of the minutes is to say what we voted on what he says and where we have a council member requesting that that sounds like we don't really have a choice.

And may I suggest that it it speaks to transparency as well. Well, we have a motion, a second. So, either he we have to vote on the motion after we when we finish our discussion or we have to he has withdraw his motion and do another motion. So, um so uh further thoughts or are we ready to vote on it? Just so that we're clear, my objection is not per se with this particular attachment because it is short. My my concern is a more principled basis of I want to make sure that we are we have something that we're applying consistently. That's my concern.

Not everything is going to be a short a short one pager and I am not sure that the way that some are interpreting this statute gazint to whoever just sneezed. Um the way that we're interpreting the statute is the way that it is that it has been interpreted. And so I would be looking to our city staff and our council in particular for for guidance on that. I just want to make sure we're being consistent.

Yeah, as I've said, yes, I think the language is up for debate and you have to take language in context when we're looking at that. And the one right above it says in terms of the public comment, we're just going to take it in brief and summarize it. So, um, we can look at information. You know, I think it can be interpreted differently, but we have not occasionally we've attached things, but we generally do not. And I think it is a concern of mine that that our minutes will they're not minutes. Minutes is a summary of what happened at the meeting. It's not verbatim. If you want verbatim, you can go to the YouTube, you can go to the the audio.

Um, but with this, you can't get that anywhere. because it wasn't on the YouTube or on the any anywhere else. This would be the I think you can, but I don't think you have to. Like, this is the body. You get to vote on the minutes. What's the accurate version? And how do you want to interpret your policy? And if you think it's only three paragraphs and you want to attach it, that's fine. But I don't think I'm saying you have to. No, that's not my opinion. Um, from staff's perspective, Lisa, what I'm hearing is that we do not need to attach it even though she did not read it.

Yeah, I think that adds to, you know, this is the thing, but we have a lot of people that provide written comment on the general plan that didn't even come to the meeting, you know, so it's it's not in any record, but it's in the record of the staff report. It's part of the record. It's not part of the minutes, which is the distinction I'm trying to make. There's a record and there minutes. That's So the record is Heather's is Heather's comments somewhere like when we talk Yes, I know you're tracking it with the general plan. Are we tracking this type of public comment somewhere? That's not the minutes.

This since it was not at the public hearing for the general plan. No, that probably would not have been picked up because we have public comment, but she also has an opportunity to come to come and make that and now that we know it, we can obviously put it in the packet of public comment that came to the council. I I guess I'm wondering could we could we request that if somebody like where this was specifically directed at the general plan, could we move it into the record for the general plan even though it wasn't a public hearing? her her three paragraphs written out if she does in case she does not come back. I that's no

I I mean that's yeah I I don't know difficult to track because if the my concern would be if a public hearing has closed and now you're allowing public comment it's not as a legal risk with a city initiated general plan. But if there were a developer here and additional public comment kept coming. Now you're tainting the record because you're the decision-making body, but it wasn't on the record and the developer didn't have the opportunity to respond. And so now you have a due process issue. But anyway, for this one, it's not a big deal, but perhaps we can have a discussion later about the parameters um of it. And

I think that would we be wise. Uh, I'm not I'm obviously not voting here, but uh um I get concerned about that we should have some sort of policy for it. Obviously was what Heather said was nice. It's not that long, but uh if you'd had 30 public comments and you have one comment going on that had passed out 10 pager with all sorts of vicinities in it. I mean, I don't want to start allow you put my record in, we put that person's record in, etc. I just I just think you opened a big can of worms. I think some sort of policy.

I agree. You've brought up a very good point about that there may be some comments made in written form that may not be totally appropriate to be submitted in. And for that reason, I don't want it to appear that we've played favorites, even though that would not be the case. It might just be that it was but it would appear that way if we do that.

I have a question. if if there was if I do believe we've been without power or without a recording device uh during a meeting or at least um not on YouTube or or Zoom. If that's the case and it's only in a on a recorded tape or whatever, how are we getting that information out or how do we uh pull that information into minutes? Is it then again summarized or do we I mean what I've heard is is that we don't need to put in verbatim because it's on YouTube.

Well I or you have to take the recording. So if they if the technology is not working we don't have a meeting period. YouTube is not and YouTube is YouTube is not the official audio recording. YouTube is a courtesy that we do. The video is not required. The audio is required. And even the times that we've had technical difficulties and our YouTube stream isn't working, we still have a complete audio recording of the meeting. And that is what is legally required. And then we'll do the minutes from the audio recording. So Jennifer will go back a lot of times and put that audio recording as the YouTube.

Yeah. Even if even if the stream didn't work, then I'll still post our audio recording on the YouTube channel because if people are going to YouTube to look for a meeting, they might be sad that there's not a video on there because it wasn't working that night, but at least they'll still find the And is the audio uploaded to the Utah Public Notice website? Yes, it's on a public website.

Okay. Uh it's kind of quiet. You ready to vote on it? Oh, let's start. Uh, Councilwoman Haymon, your turn. Go to the right. I'm sorry. What's the the motion as Oh, sorry. Sorry. Sorry. I'm not voting. Uh, I'm just uh the minutes, but there's there's changes. I I could do I I guess I should just uh ask with those changes. Who's in favor of the minutes? All in favor? I I Do you need a clarification, Chen? Well, I'm assuming that we're talking all of the minutes, including Just clarify your motion again, Councilman Bigger.

My motion is this set of minutes. the the set proposed the draft proposal for the minutes approval of January 6th, 2026 that we approved the minutes as amended and inclusive of the the short statement that that was made by chairperson Heather Taylor uh regarding suggestions for the general plan. And it was

and uh Councilwoman Mikum uh seconded that. So we've had our discussion. It went quiet. So now I'm just asking for approval minutes with a yay or nay. So So we'd need to still uh make a motion to accept the other u minutes as well. It's in his motion. No, no, this just general. Oh, so you're right. Thank you, Councilman Plamer. Yes. the the other three you're talking the other three meetings. So, he could just add that to his motion. I'll I'll add that and and the other two meetings we're approving. Other three meetings as amended as well. Could we do them separate? We can do them separate if you want.

I mean, I'm going to Okay. So, let's vote on the first one. January 6, 2026, city council minutes. uh with that motion that Councilman Banger made and Rob Council Me seconded. All in favor? I I I opposed. Nay. I think I heard three and two. So those pass. Okay. So uh look for a motion on you can do them indiv individually or just all the other three all together. I'll make a motion that we approve the other meeting minutes for the work session on January 20th, the city council on January 20th, and the close session on January 6th. Second. Further discussion? All in favor? I

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opposed. All right, that passes unanimously. Thank you. All right, let's move to appointments. Um appointment of persons, boards, committees, or statutory office. Uh, I sent out uh volunteer forms to each one of you. Uh, Jacqueline Black to the trails committee, Brooke Johnson to the parks and recreation committee, and Michael Adamson to the planning commission. Jacqueline Black is filling a a empty position. Brooke Johnson would be filling an empty position. And Michael Adamson is uh going to fill Tyler Moss's position who uh his time was going to run out anyway here in four or five days, but he resigned with me over the weekend because he received a a calling in the LDS church, which you couldn't uh do this anymore. So, so I thank him for his service. So, he would be, if you approve Michael Adamson, he'd be filling Tyler Moss's position.

Do you need a motion for that? Yeah. Vice and consent on those. I I would be happy to make the motion that we appoint Jacqueline Black to the trails committee, Brooke Johnson to the parks and recreation committee, and Michael Adamson to the planning commission. Second. Second. We have a motion to second. All in favor? I I opposed. Thank you. Mayor, may I make a comment? You may.

I I approve that because I've had an opportunity to speak with the mayor personally and gain a little more uh information and insight on those approvals. Uh I would like to suggest that as the mayor appoints uh individuals that it being identified by statute that that happens with advice and consent of the council. I don't I I'm concerned about a member not meaningfully being able to provide advice and consent without understanding and seeing the applicant pool. I a single name presentation for a yes or no vote wherein I will acknowledge that we received the applicant's the applicant forwarded for for uh approval his his resume or application which is very helpful without knowing the rest of the pool other opportunities what what uh member he's replacing or or more information I'm sorry but I don't think that's making an informed decision and and and appropriately understanding a very important vote that I was taking. I again acknowledge in this case I support these candidates as I have personally uh vetted it further. But to do so without more information is simply rubber stamping and I I don't think the public expects us to do that. So, I would just respectfully request that council members uh be made aware and that applications for positions, commissions, and and uh committees uh be shared with council members who will then be

advising and consenting to approval. So, we understand the whole picture going forward. That's just my suggestion, please. I appreciate that suggestion. Thank you, Councilman. All right, let's go to council report. Uh, council member Plameumber.

Okay. Thank you, mayor. I will be giving a report. This is my final report with the Centerville Citizen Corpse LEA as their liaison. I'll just I continue on as the treeboard liaison, treeboard and conservation liaison. So, I'll start with uh Centerville Citizen Corps. The Centerville Citizen Corps is continuing to focus on emergency prepar preparedness. Um they are looking at uh some key elements uh as they prepare for a new uh upcoming uh emergency preparedness exercise. They're uh currently in the process of testing non-radio communication methods uh to confirm message and deliver delivery and accountability. Um I mean the the radios work great, but I think there's been a lot of push back in uh from people throughout the city that uh they can communicate just as well via text. So, uh, that being said, um, they're going to be testing out some new data sheets. Um, they're going to be clearly defining the roles of the emergency manager and district leaders during uh, the uh, new this new exercise. uh they're going to be identifying uh some direction and uh ways to use the 2026 Great Utah Shakeout uh for um neighbor focused preparedness efforts. Um they're also looking at focusing on a clearer city volunteer duties and descriptions um list and a more structured C framework

which has been kind of a a difficulty in that we are reliant upon other entities to train Cert volunteers. uh for the tree board. Tree board is uh currently uh focused on the general plan. Uh they've been uh reading through that, looking at ways that it will impact their group and how they might be able to uh have some input on that. uh they are looking at infrastructure projects and future developments and in ways uh to that will support uh tree growth in the city. Um they have actually been um looking at commitments as to the Tree City USA which is a designation the city gets um and what benefits that's providing and what they what we need to do to retain that designation. Uh they are currently looking at um current tree removals in projects along 400 West, Peach Tree Drive, and Parish Lane and how that um those tree losses will be affecting those areas. supporting uh the use of tree vouchers for residents is a big uh push from the the the board. They would like to see uh an expansion of that uh program uh in order to be proactive and uh

reach out to residents sooner. uh maybe years before certain projects might be going forward so that uh trees can be replaced uh before the actual project is coming forth. And it of course having a a a recommendation for where those trees would go which would not be in the parking strip. Uh that would be the goal for the tree board. Um so uh they're also in the process of planning for an Arbor Day celebration later this spring and uh coordinating activities with uh the um America's 250th um anniversary this year. And um that actually covers a lot of what they've been doing. If there's any questions, I can field those and I'll do my best. But that is the end of my report.

Thank you. Thank you, Councilman Palmer. Any questions for Councilman Palmer on those?

Great. Anybody else have anything pressing with their committees? Great. Then we'll go to mayor report. I do have a report but I also have a message uh as well too. So when was it a month ago that council been banging and counciloman Hurst and myself we took an oath of office and uh I reached out to the judge the next day and and it got me thinking about oaths and an oath of office is a binding formal pledge or affirmation required of individuals for for assuming public office promising to faithfully perform their duties. support the constitution and act with integrity. It acts as a legal commitment to public trust and in the US binds officials to uphold federal or state laws. Then it goes through AI does hear key aspects of the oath of office. I thought that was fairly fair in how it stated it. And that night we took an oath to honor the US Constitution, the state of Utah constitution. So, I have started uh I haven't done too well with the state of Utah constitution yet, but we all took that oath. Uh I've been going through the US Constitution, and I I would encourage you all to do it because not only us as elected officials, but we have probably have some other people within this room that have taken similar oaths as well, too. And uh we probably should be aware of when we take those oaths, uh what we're what we're willing to uphold. um and um that uh we don't ever come before the constitution of the of the US or the state of Utah. Um and um so I just would encourage you to do

that. But along those lines as well too, I've been thinking a lot lately of uh what's going been going on in society a little bit. And um uh a while back I I I texted my friend uh and I call him my friend because uh he is my friend. Uh we grew up uh played on the the same LDS Ward softball team together and um uh we were uh good friends in high school. Um and this is one of our federal senators, John Curtis. And I texted him and I'm sure he'd be okay with me sharing this to you. And I this is when uh I was attending the National League of City and Towns meetings in Salt Lake. And I says, "I'm attending National League City Towns meeting in Salt Lake. Senator, I'm attending the National League of City Towns meeting in Salt Lake. One session we talked about civil leadership. I have been following your emails to our mayor's office weekly. Thank you for working with all parties and reaching across the aisle to get good legislation. Please let me know what additional support I can give you. Clark Wilson and uh Senator Curtis responded, "But back, Clark, that means a great deal. I've tried to make collaboration the norm, not the exception, and I'm convinced that's how we get the best outcomes. I'll keep working that way and if something comes up where your voice would help move the needle, I'll be sure to reach out because I watched it work on one of the bills and he reached across the aisle and it took me back to the very first president I had a chance to vote for was uh presidential uh race was the the Reagan Carter race in 1980. And there's often stories given about Ronald Reagan and Tip O'Neal meeting after a hard day of work when they're pounding each other on the floor and maybe sometimes saying choice words to each other and they're going out for a beer after and uh and talking things over, becoming friends.

Uh or Senator Hatch with Senator Kennedy, the two two unique opposites becoming great friends and working in collaboration on bills. And I've asked uh many people that have served back there uh why maybe some of that civility has changed and including Senator Curtis. He told me part of the problem is now is we don't live back here together. We come out to our to our communities so much. He says you used to move back there with your families and you you sometimes went to the the the same religious uh uh meetings together. your kids were in school together. Uh your your your spouses uh you know knew each other as well too. And so you were more inclined to uh be able to get along and be more civil with each other. And so you know I don't agree with everything Senator Curtis does. Um he doesn't agree with everything I do but I don't agree with every we don't agree on every issue here. But but I appreciate that uh you know somebody that's willing to make good legislation happen by uh reaching out to all people. And I think that's uh that's the goal that we should have. Let's make sure that we we get good good uh ordinances, good resolutions in our community because uh we've taken the chance to to uh work with each other. Um and um so that's that's that's that's the message that I want to leave with you as far as my report goes. Um uh I met with uh the new uh minister at the Episcopalian church uh uh Reverend Shannon Burke and um we had a nice meeting last week and I've shown Captain Mikum uh a big list of questions she had for me coming in and

they were really good questions uh as far as uh what uh you know she feels important to the city and how how they can help us, how we can help them and and once again I uh thank them for their their third Wednesday dinner and just want to remind you about that again. But that uh they're willing to um uh to work with us and help help us. And I and I commend Chief Aerson and Chief Stewart for what when she was ordained in the ministry that they went that evening. At least you said you did if you weren't there, Allan. But uh I I was not able to make it. So I think it's important that uh you know we support obviously our nonprofits and and uh all all faith in the region and all people that are reaching out to try and do good things. So that's my report uh legislationwise. anything hot and heavy. Uh those that that voted or listen in on league that uh we need to to make them aware of that's what's weighing on your mind because I notice you have it there.

You have my notes up. Yeah. Um I I was just looking over the homework that we were assigned. Is there anything I I don't know that there's anything that needs to be taken care of. Looks like um Nate has sent an email regarding the one homework assignment that we had. Brandt, is there anything else that you see that? Well, a couple of Senate Bill 219. Um this is one Mike Egget and we we've discussed a couple times. Billboards, this bill came up last year. Really frustrating

where with the widening of I-15, billboard companies are, yeah, we can move them wherever we want. We don't have to get your approval. So that's kind of what's coming forward again that if a billboard in North Salt Lake is going to be condemned or has to be relocated, it's possible for them to relocate it within Centerville and and actually not meet our height restrictions according to this bill. So Senate Bill 219, I would actually recommend that we contact our representatives now about Senate Bill 219 and oppose this because it it's kind of crazy. So, uh, Scenic Utah, it was a group that kind of watches us over, they sent us an email. And did you see that? Scenic Utah has everybody on the council got that email, and it's a very good description of the issue that's happening. So,

yeah, along those lines, can I just thank Council Member Hurst for for sharing last week this quick synopsis? We'll send you the new one. Sorry. That That's what I was going to ask. Do we have a new one? That's helpful. would be most happy to do that. Would you guys I will tell you they do send it out as an Excel spreadsheet. It's very handy because you can click right on the link and it will pull up the bill and you can read the summary. You can see who's presenting it. Um I'm happy to send those every week. I apologize that I failed to do that. Shayen als is the Excel spreadsheet. Okay. I like it just because it's got the active link, but I would like that. And I like how you how it identifies the position of the Utah League.

And they're providing that. I would just be forwarding it along. But um interestingly enough, yesterday in LPC, do you mind if I just mention this about they showed how many bills are going through each session. I think four or five years ago it was 400 and something and gradually you're seeing it increase and this year there's like 765 already. I mean this is it's getting really it's getting really lawish, you know, and I think some of them

some of them are very concerning. This this Senate Bill 219 is I'm glad you remembered to bring that one up, Brandt. I had failed to highlight that one as well as I needed to to see it. So, you know, some of them need to be done, but some of them are actually infringing on property rights. In this case, I feel like this is somewhat of a property issue with the signage.

So, this one is being run by a senator out of Davis Weaver County. His background is a real estate sales background, it looks like. Um, but I don't see a representative attached to it, nor do it does it look like it's come out of committee yet. Does that Are you guys hearing? Does this thing have legs or is this just something that he's running? That's a good question. Muscleman. Um, he is running running the bill. Chief sponsors Calvin R. Muscleman in the House. Yeah, in the House. Muscleman listed as Is it not a Senate bill? Oh, that's You can run. Oh, he's the House sponsor. Sorry. Yeah, it it's so it's a Senate bill. Yeah,

the House sponsor hasn't been identified yet. Okay. So, it's purely in the Senate. Sorry. I mean, this is one that didn't get through last year, but I I don't think it hurts to um get these out to our it legislators. This will be one that I think could really impact Centerville in a negative way. So, it doesn't have legs yet, but they're concerned about it. Okay. Yeah,

they can't go up over all the bills, but it's one they brought up near the end that they're con concerned about. Um, so a couple other bills you should be aware of that affect our delegation. Uh, Representative Ward's housing bill, uh, he doesn't want to change it at all. Uh, the league's taken a strong oppose to it. Um, and Representative Cutler's bill, what was his bill on that we're That was ebikes. Ebikes. Yeah, that that we were uh uh uh in favor of, right? Yeah, as as a league at the league's position, you you do a vote at the end as a body as a whole. So that's coupled with our uh with our elected officials who represent us.

Yeah, there is also a bill just out of interest on the transport transportation utility fee. I I don't think we're opposed to that. I think the things that they're asking for if we were we don't have a transportation utility fee at the moment. That's kind of one of the things I brought up in the work session. But if we were to do that, I didn't see anything that I didn't think should be the way those should be imposed if one were to ever be introduced in Centerville. But it'll just be really hard to implement because it's based on traffic counts. Yeah.

Um and that's what's going to be really hard is RVs doesn't have the same traffic as Maverick, but they're have the same use. So how do you determine what the fee would be? So that's where I see the challenge is just trying to decide that fee. Yeah. Because it can't be based on property value because then it's a property tax. Right. Right. That is that is kind of the concern and maybe that was part of it wasn't proven that that was the issue with Pleasant Grove when they had there was a lawsuit against Pleasant Grove. It was dropped before they determined was reasonable. Yeah.

The property tax ones, a couple of them moved forward. That's our homework was House Bill 236. Um that Nate, thank you for that response. I'll forward that on to uh the league. Is that the one that I sent you and Nate Brent? Yes. See, I'm asking Nate to do all these things while he's trying to do budget and he already got to it because they wanted our response by tomorrow. So, thank you Nate. I was going to get you privately after, but since uh you've done it, you need to be praised here in front of everybody. So, yeah, you did a great job.

Thank you. Um the other one we had homework on um was the impact to our city on House Bill 161, which is the way that primary residential units are taxed. Currently, it's 55% of its value for a primary residential home. House Bill 161 would tax a primary residential unit at 40% 40% of its value. I ask you a dumb question. You say that you've been tasked with homework. What does that mean? They want us to respond back either staff or have we respond. Are they just divvying out individual bills to various folks and saying you know

No, this is generally to every city. Some cities are going to respond back somewhere. I see. Okay. I I was wondering if you divvied out the work or how what this is just general homework that they'll say here's your homework. Take this back and give us an answer. Got it. the the only way to kind of fight the state legislature is with information, actual information that we see that we this is how we've been able to fight bills. So during this legislative session, that's my update. I read I'm reading bills and and sending information to the league um about how that impacts us. So that's primarily what I do during the season. So I'm reading bills. Yeah.

Have we responded to them on this House Bill 161? Do we have some data to show them how that impacts our city? Again, there's not much to share other than again, it just changed. Your tax levy doesn't change. It actually puts the pressure back on businesses if you're reducing. Well, that's my that's because our our amount we take in doesn't change. It's just who pays it now and the values, the assessed values, that will determine who pays what. And if businesses pay 100%, then they're going to take up that that difference. Honestly, and I think that is my concern is have we have we looked at that and how that does talked about it businesses.

Well, shar city managers we get together on Fridays with the league. So, we have a separate meeting with just managers and it's really actually we just get down into the meat of it and it's very productive. That's where we give ourselves assignments as well. Hey, could you check out this and uh could you check out that and then we report back. This bill would disproportionately affect Davis County. Davis County is residential heavy. Yes. And so it could be very hard on the businesses. That's right.

There's other bills uh that create some challenges with property taxes that are are problematic. They don't really have legs just yet. Um tort reform came up. I won't go into detail about that if who, you know, but they're looking at lawsuits and third parties who help cities out and do they get caught up? Do they have governmental immunity? I thought that was kind of interesting. The other one, the charter school one is one that council member Hurst and I have talked about. There was a survey that went out where charter schools will So, as of right now, cities have the first right of refusal. If a school shuts down, the school district reaches out to the city says, "Hey, do you want the property?" Uh, they're actually this bill actually make charter schools the first right of refusal. Or are they just on par?

It's first right of refusal. And that's And if we can at least Oh, no. I'm sorry. it's on par and then you bid against each other, right? So, it becomes a bidding war between potentially. I mean, maybe the city's not interested or maybe there's no charter school. I'll go on record is I I'm really frustrated with this one because you have a lot of representatives who legislators who are on boards of charter schools and I really feel like it's it's a conflict. It's really frustrating. But yeah, not to say charter schools shouldn't have an option, but it's just I can they can they just be the second option? Yeah, I I did I did um pass along my concerns already to Representative Cutler about this one. I'm going to reach out to the others as well.

What was that one? Um do we know what number it is? I don't know that I they brought it up yesterday. Let me see if I can find it in my note. 241. House Bill 241. Yeah, that sounds Grant is in this every day. He knows the numbers. I'd have to so much fun. It is kind of I really get angry. I I hate that, but I get really frustrated at some of these bills. But LPC is not a relaxing event. Maybe not. No, I'm just talking about it. Just Yeah, it get it's giving me anxiety right now. You guys are getting anxious down there, aren't you?

That's by report with help from uh staff and and council. Brent, were you on to your report, too?

Yes. basically you know LBC or legislative issues is what I want to focus on. So we talked about that. Um I want to share I'm reading the book Changaskhan and the making of the modern world and it's a fascinating book and it talks you know and I've talked to Jennifer about this multiple times because she served her mission in Mongolia. So it's really kind of fascinating to learn about it but uh one of the great cons. So Changaskhan passed away a long time ago and now it's the sons or grandsons that are now ruling the empire and and essentially Kublakhan has moved the empire into China and after the fall of the Yin dynasty the Mongols have taken over but what Kublakhan Kublakhan has decided is that we can't manage a city by force anymore by fear this this um fighting anyway so he developed councils to manage the cities so he says, "You know what? It's best left to the people. Just keep sending my 10% or my my yeah tributes and send them my way, but you you need to govern as you see fit." And so at that time they developed and the book goes into the council set the policy, the bureaucrats administer, and the department heads or the people operate the policy. And so it's really kind of fascinating to see. I feel like this is the birth of some regard of what we see in our modern day is our councils that we see and and the great con uh moved back and says you know you manage the way you see fit. Anyway, kind of fascinating and when I hit that part where they talked about the importance of execution shouldn't be a public display because that will erode the trust. though that actually suspects erode the trust in government and you should keep those things private and so we'll make sure we don't do while on the other side in Europe they're having all these executions publicly hangings and but the Mongols have taken a different

approach and anyway it's really fascinating to see um how important that was because the the Mongol Empire was huge it stretched all the way into Europe all across Asia and they implemented this everywhere this idea everywhere So with that, I don't have anything else unless there's questions for me. I recommend the book if you get bored. It's fun. I recommend get bored. We're going to go to Jennifer and I She's going to take me back to her mission. I want to go.

Thank you. Any questions for Brent? Um uh anybody have anything else? Uh we do want if not we do want to go into close session for the purpose of uh character copy of character copy of individuals with no intent to return to uh city council. Do you need a motion? Yes. I move that we go into close session to discuss the character character competency with no intent to return. Second. Second. I think we have to vote on it, right? Yes. Uh, council Mikum. I I I I I Okay, council skulls. Thank you.