Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

[Music] All right. I'll call the order of the November 12th, 2025 meeting of the planning commission. Code of Virginia requires local governments to have a planning commission. The purpose of which is to advise the board of supervisors on land use and planning issues affecting the county. This responsibility is exercised through recommendations conveyed by resolutions or other official means and all are matters of public record. Commission is comprised of seven citizen volunteers appointed by the board with one representative from each voting district and two at large members. Roll call please.

Mr. Chamberlain here. Mr. Titus here. Mr. Baruks here. Mr. King here. Mr. Kryer here. Mr. Smith. Mr. Was Mr. Chamberlain, you have a quorum. All right. Please stand for the pledge of allegiance. Allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

Okay. Okay, next on the agenda is the minutes from our last meeting. Any comments on the minutes? None. I'll entertain a motion. I move to approve the minutes. All right. Roll call, please. The motion by Mr. Brooks is to adopt the minutes of the regular meeting on October 8, 2025. Mr. Titus, yes. Mr. Brooks, yes. Mr. King, abstain. I was not at the meeting. Mr. Chamberlain, yes. Motion passes.

All right. At this time is our citizen comment period. This is a time for citizens to comment on anything that's not on the agenda. I don't have anybody signed up. Anybody want to comment? All right, we'll move on to our first public hearing. [Music] Good evening. This application submitted by Youth Challenge Hampton Roads Doing Business as Faith Recovery is a request for a special use permit to establish an increase in the number of occupants in an existing group home from 16 to 21 at 325 Ule Road. The subject's site is located at 325 Ule Road on the corner of Ule Road and Moretown Road. There are four singlestory buildings on the subject property. Two buildings are used for housing residents which are 325- A U road and 325-B U road. One building serves as an administration and counseling office and the last building is used as a chapel and for other communal activities. The site is zoned limited industrial and is designated limited industrial in the comprehensive plan. The site is located on Ule Road and although it is zoned IIL, it is in an area with both commercial and residential uses. Northwest of the property is Colonial Gardens Landscaping Company with two parcels um that have residential housing. Both of them are zoned ILIL. Northeast is Collision Correction, which

is a car collision repair facility zoned ILIL. East is an undeveloped property owned by the city of Williamsburg, zoned for resource conservation. And south is Colonial Carts, a golf cart sales and repair facility zoned ILIL. West and Southwest in James City County are single family homes owned rural residential or R8. Um, a business called Five Brothers Landscapes and the Williamsburg Jehovah's Witness Kingdom Hall, both zone limited business um, designated M1. Since 2023, the applicant has been operating two recovery residences on the property. The building at 325-A Road has six occupants currently and the building at 325-B U Road with eight occupants. The applicant has stated that both buildings are licensed with the Virginia Department of Behavioral Health and Development Services, otherwise known as DBHDS, as recovery residences that provide case management and counseling to those living in the homes. The applicant has expressed that there has been an increasing need for safe housing and addiction recovery services. Due to this, they are requesting the building at 325-B Road to have an increase in occupancy from 8 to 13. The applicant states that there is enough room in the residence to meet the DBHDS requirement of 50 square feet of bedroom space per resident to be able to accommodate the occupancy increase. An analysis of the submitted for plan confirms that the 886 square feet available for bedroom space can accommodate the 13 residents. The request for an increase in occupancy will not change the surrounding area. In their narrative, the applicant stated that during the two years the recovery program has been in operation, there has been no complaints or issues with the surrounding properties. The applicant indicated that the building at 325-B U

road has space to accommodate the additional five occupants and thus proposes no changes to the outside of the building or property. Therefore, the surrounding properties will experience minimal to no impact from this increase. Recovery residences are considered group homes. In Virginia code, group homes or a residential facility designed for those recovering from substance use disorders are regulated as recovery residences as defined in Virginia code section 37.2-431.1. A recovery residence is a housing facility that provides alcohol-free and elicit drug-free housing to individuals with substance abuse disorders and individuals with co-occurring mental issues and substance abuse disorders. that does not include clinical treatment services excluding clinical counseling. Key features of recovery residences or also known as sober living homes are that residents must remain alcohol and illicit drug-free. The residents are mentored through a peer-led support with structural accountability and no clinical treatment services provided on site. However, this does exclude clinical counseling. Recovery residences are subject to section 24.1-408 of the zoning ordinance which establishes performance standards for group homes and transitional homes. The section states that the maximum number of persons accommodated in any group or transitional home shall not exceed 12 exclusive of resident staff. However, the board may specify a greater or lesser number in consideration of the density um and character of the surrounding area and the characteristics of the site itself. The applicant has requested through the special use permit process to exceed the limit and proposes a total of 21 residents. The density and character of the surrounding area as well as the characteristics of the site itself lends very well to the use. Therefore, the subject property is appropriate for the proposed increase.

The external appearance and arrangement of such facility shall be of a form and character which is compatible with the appearance and arrangement of other residential uses in the general area. Given the variety of uses including residential as well as the residential appearance of the buildings on the subject site, the facility is compatible with this standard. Faith recovery shall remain compliant um with all applicable applicable licensing requirements of the appropriate state regulatory agencies. Uh, Faith Recovery is a certified recovery residence by accreditation through the Virginia Association of Recovery Residences, um, also known as VAR and Virginia Oxford House. Therefore, the facility is a certified recovery residence by the Virginia Department of Behavioral Health and Development Services. The performance standards state that such a facility shall be under 24-hour a day care and supervision of a prof professional staff person or persons one or more of whom may also reside in the facility. Um the required professional qualific qualifications of the supervisory staff shall be submitted for the review um as part of the zoning authorization process. The applicant's narrative did not address this. Therefore, a condition of approval has been included to submit this information during the building permit review. And lastly, the minimum lot size for such facility shall be based on the number of residents exclusive of staff proposed to be housed in the facility. Um, based off of staff's calculations, the lot size meets this requirement. So, next we go into parking and traffic analysis. Uh the parking requirements from section 24.1-606 for group homes are three spaces plus one space for every two beds. There are currently six beds available in 325- AU building. Um even though two more beds could be added uh once sufficient square footage is available um and eight beds

in the 325-B road building. There will be the addition of five more beds in the 325-B building. So therefore, a total of um 21 beds which will require a total of 14 parking spaces. According to the applicant submitted sketch plan, the subject property currently has 16 parking spaces available meeting this requirement. And based on the analysis um from the Institute of Transportation Engineers trip general manual and the V.2024 traffic volume data, the increase in occupancy is not large enough to impact everyday traffic patterns. So therefore uh the use will have little impact on existing patterns in the v vicinity of the facility. And as for safety at the recommendation of the division of building safety, staff has proposed a condition of approval that would require the applicant to obtain a new certificate of occupancy for the change of building use and an automatic sprinkler system installed in accordance with the 2021 Virginia construction code. At the recommendation of the Department of Fire and Life Safety, staff has included a proposed condition of approval that would require the business to be inspected um and submit an emergency plan to be approved by fire and life safety prior to the change of use. So, in conclusion, the applicant is seeking authorization to increase the number of occupants in an existing recovery facility from 16 to 21 to satisfy and express need for safe housing and addiction recovery services. Due to this, they are requesting the building at 325-B U Road to have an increase in occupancy from 8 to 13 residents. The applicant has stated that Faith Recovery has maintained compliance with the DBHDS and conditions of approval are proposed that would require the facility to maintain compliance with the state and county code. This request for an increase in occupancy will not change the surrounding area and will provide services for the community. Due to the considerations and conclusions as noted,

staff recommends approval of this application subject to the conditions set forth and proposed resolution number PC25-25R. Thank you. I'm happy to answer any questions you may have and the applicant is here as well to give a presentation um afterwards. Questions? I noticed we have a revised resolution that the minor change in it. Can you give me an explanation for that?

Yes, absolutely. Um, so we noticed that the language in the resolution was a bit contradictory, um, based off of the state codes definition of recovery residence. Um, so the word clinical treatment, um, doesn't necessarily reflect the clinical counseling that's offered. Um, and we couldn't find in the state code a definition for clinical. Um, but we know that DBHDS certified them um, to allow clinical counseling. Um so in in the state code the clinical mostly aimed towards like detoxing um and things of that nature like medical um um services. Yeah.

Turn my mic on. Hi Addison. In 325A the certificate of occupancy is at six or eight. Um the certificate of occupancy is 48, but the um certification um by the Department of Behavioral Health um bases based their residency like off the beds um off the square footage. So based off of the square footage in building 325- A, only six people can be in there because there's not enough square footage for two more beds currently.

Then I don't know how we get to 21. because we have 13. We will have 13 in 325B, six in 325A, which only comes to 19. If they can't put two more beds into 325A, you only have 19 beds.

Yeah, I definitely hear you with that. Um, may I refer to Earl? So the building code is different than the code for department of health. And so if they wanted to come in, they could add put an addition on that building and put in eight if they wanted to. But they they have to meet the the Department of Health or behavioral health's guidelines. And that's what's trumping them now from being able to get up to eight because they have to have a certain amount of square footage per person in there. And they can't meet it without expanding the building. But they could expand the building. They expand the building. Well, you can expand any building and add more beds,

right? So, I it just is I've talked to you guys before. It still explain it's very confusing to me. Well, we can get six and 13 and end up with 21. You do that in paragraph talks about the the uh transport not transportation parking, right? Because they were things they were approved for eight in each house. Yeah. And I think now they don't have eight in the approved for our purposes, right, in the planning commission for the county. We ought to use the eight if that's what it was approved for and not the six because the math just doesn't work out.

I mean, the actual physical presence right now, I get what you're saying, but they they could have eight in there. That's what they're approved for under their certificate of occupancy. Okay. And so we didn't want to restrict that. No, we don't in the special use permit process. We just wanted I don't doubt that at all. Right. Okay. I'm just trying to say that if you have eight and 325A, you only have a certificate of occupy for 325B for eight. Is that correct? Yes. Right now. So, so if you use occupancy, certificate of occupancy or what what the county says you can do, you end up with eight and 81 16, right?

The five that's going to be added is not on that certificate of occupy yet. So, that would bring you up to 21. Correct. Otherwise, the math just doesn't Okay. You know, we can I understand I really understand what you're saying. It just doesn't pass the test for me. That's all. Uh the sprinkler system, is that a part of the permit process? Will the sprinkler system be put in before we allow them to add these beds? Uh that's a part of the building permit uh process.

Okay. So that that will and then the other thing when you say 14 they have 16 and you said there's 14 does that allow for staff parking space? Um the parking spaces is based off of our uh parking standards. So the the three plus um one for every two beds. So, I'm going to assume that the three required are for staff to be on there, even though that isn't explicitly said in the parking standards. That's what I was wondering. That's Yeah, if they're staying there, they got to have a space, too. Correct.

And but 14 to 16 is I just want to make sure staff is part of the 16 is what you're saying. Correct. Well, they they say 14, so there's enough for the staff to park there as well. Yeah. Yeah, from my understanding the the standard I think having the three plus one for every two beds accounts for staff and also residents. I don't want to get like Glenn with his math because he's better than I 14 16 I'm whatever you know the parking calculations were based off of what um will be granted by the special use permit. So the 21 beds theoretically if they wanted to increase the other building it accounts for that. Okay.

Okay. And I will point out that these uses and the applicant probably can speak to this. You're not going to have uh these residents aren't going to have vehicles in most cases, but they can they can answer that a little bit better than I can. All right. Anything else? Thank you. Um with that, I'll open the public hearing and I have no cards that the applicant wish to speak. Okay. So, please state your name and address for the record when you can get up there.

Good evening, gentlemen. Uh, my name is Travis Hall. My my home address is 189 Edel Street in the city of Newport News. Um, I'm the CEO of of Faith Recovery. Um, Hunter Helmans is with me as well. He's our chief clinical officer. So, any questions you have, hopefully the two of us can get them answered. Um, but Madison did such a great job with the presentation. There's some redundancies in mind, so I'll kind of go go through it relatively quickly, but just kind of wanted to give you a background on us as an organization. Um, we are I've been in business for 4 uh6 years. Um, founded as you challenge. We were uh in Newport News for 44 of those years, relocated to the Williamsburg, York County area in 2023 at the Ule Road address and have been there since. Um, been a great location for us. It's a beautiful area. Um, and we've really had some success uh with with working with men in recovery. Um, what we what we are, we are a nonprofit organization um that offers a clinically managed uh Christian addiction recovery program. Um, uh, you'll see on the screen some of the uh, uh, organizations that we're certified and accredited with. Um, we believe in providing a high level, high standard of care and we welcome the accountability that comes along with it to make sure that we maintain those standards. Um, as Madison mentioned, our homes and our clinical counseling services are licensed through through DBHDS and our homes are also accredited through the Virginia Association of Recovery Residences as well as level four homes, which basically means they're recovery residences that provide uh counseling services and case management for those that are living in the homes. Uh we are also KARF accredited which is a national accreditation which is the kind of the gold standard for rehabilitation facilities and we are members of the national association of addiction

treatment providers which is a national organization that uh requires you to meet certain standards just to be a member. Um and then there's a lot of training and and things that go along with that. relationships and the association Virginia association of addiction professionals is a similar organization that but kind of on the state level our approach to recovery is kind of a whole person approach not to get too deep in the weeds. Uh it starts with housing um which is what we're here about today. Uh if you don't have a safe uh place for someone to come and find healing then it makes it very difficult for them. Um but we also do provide the licensed clinical counseling uh which involves psychotherapy groups, recovery groups because we are a Christian faith-based program of biblically based recovery classes are part of what we do. Um there's also a meeting attendance, chapel services. We make sure they get recreation and peer mentoring and things like that. We just want to approach uh every area of of an individual's life to make sure that they uh can address all the areas that addiction has kind of brought damage to in their life. As far as the uh facility goes, this is kind of an overshot of the property. This is an older picture, so the back two buildings had not been renovated yet this time, but I just kind of wanted to get you kind of a feel of what what the what the property looks like. Um this is an overshot, which Madison already kind of showed you with what the buildings are. the larger house is the one we're asking for the extended beds on. And then the counseling office and actually the chapel is 325C. That's a typo. And 325A. Just to kind of clear that up, we do have a certificate of occupancy for eight beds um in each of the two homes, which would be 16 beds. And then we're asking for uh five additional beds, which would give us the 21 that we that we need. There's it's just it's just such a huge need out there. and and the more we're able to help people. That's five additional lives that we can save. Uh this is 325A. Not to be redundant,

but that's that that's the smaller of the homes. This is our chapel that we renovated. Uh this is the inside of right here. This is kind of a classroom setting because we also use that for our afternoon classes. But just kind of wanted to give you a feel of the standard that we have in the home. They're really it's really really nice homes and nice property. This is kind of another picture to give you kind of the proximity of where everything is. Again, the building in the back is a counseling offices that wasn't renovated at the time of this picture, but this is kind of a close-up picture of the front of that building. I I'd spare you the all the pictures of the inside, but wanted to give you a picture of the the the inside of the group room where we do our our group counseling in. The rest is mainly offices that we operate out of. Uh it's just another uh part of the property there. It's a serenity garden that we have where where men can come there and just kind of have some quiet time and read and and pray or whatever. just kind of meditate on on their day and have a peaceful moment. This is the the home 325B. Uh it's uh kind of an interesting home. It it's kind of a large home. I wanted to give you another angle so you can kind of see how large the home is when you're thinking about putting 13 individuals in a in a house. I wanted you to have a better picture of of what it looked like. Uh this is the inside of the home. This is the living area. Just a couple pictures so you can see again the high standards that we maintain as an organization in our property and the services that we provide. Uh I kind of wish I had a better picture of the dining room, but that's the one that we have. Um they also have their uh their um house meetings in that room and their morning devotions in that room as well. Um this is one of the dorms. Um you can kind of see they keep they keep it really neat. And this is another one of the smaller dorms there. Um, and then this is kind of the floor plan which uh Madison already kind of showed you where we've got four beds in the one uh you can see in yellow are the current beds that we have and then we can fit two more beds

in that other bedroom in green which is proposed and there's another bedroom that we're not using at all right now that we can put three beds in uh to get us to the 13. So kind kind of quick um but she kind of covered it all pretty well. So, I just kind of wanted to connect some dots for you. If you have any other questions, I'd be happy to answer them. All right, I'll go back down this way again. Any questions for

All right, we have we have no questions and thank you. All right, great. Thank you. Um, does anybody else wish to speak to this hearing? None. I will close the public hearing and I'll start this way again since we're more this way than this. I appreciate you making me number one.

The um I have no issues with this and it is a need for the county and I welcome it. Yeah, I I drove by it the other day and I've been down that road several times and uh it's it's a well-maintained, very nice facility um from the outside. I didn't want to go inside. Um but uh okay, with that, I'll entertain a motion for PC25-25R. Mr. Chairman, I uh move that the commission forward to the board of supervisors resolution PC25-25R for approval.

Roll call, please. The motion by Mr. King is to adopt resolution number 25 PC25-25R to recommend approval to increase the number of residents in a existing group home. Mr. Brooks, yes. Mr. King, yes. Mr. Kryer, yes. Mr. Titus, yes. Mr. Chamberlain, yes. Motion passes. All righty. Okay. Um, next on the agenda, old business, which we don't have any. Um, new business. Do we want to talk about committees? Yes, sir.

Yes, sir. That'd be perfect timing. So, um, I had sent you an email earlier that I would, um, I feel like we need to, uh, put you all to work a little bit more. Um, and I'd like to recommend, and this is up to you as the planning commission how you want to handle it, but I would recommend you form two committees. Uh, one would be the comprehensive plan committee. So, you would, you know, begin. We do have a a small comp plan amendment that might be will be coming up. Um, we just recently did a border boundary change with Picosen, the city of Picosen. So some parcels from Picosen came into the county and so forth. Some from the county went into Picosen. Um those properties came in to the zoning as a resource conservation. Uh so they don't really match some of the um zoning that's on the that was in the county to begin with. Um additionally, those parcels were not fully in the comprehensive plan the last time. So that committee would take a look at that information and we'll eventually bring that forward to as a comprehensive plan amendment. and then also a resoning application to change those zonings to hopefully match what's already here in the county. Uh the other committee that I would like uh to suggest you form is a ordinance amendment committee. This committee would review any um ordinance changes that the board asked for or the planning commissioners themselves asked for. um in addition to any things that the staff is seeing we may be having problems with or we need to address that committee would look at those ordinance changes um and then we would eventually you know uh meet talk about them and then the final form would come to you as the planning commission for a public hearing um and so forth. So, um, we would like, if you're going to form those tonight, we would like to go ahead and set a date, um, for those before your December meeting. Um, maybe in the

next week or so, hopefully if you all could meet, um, tonight, uh, we'd like to set that date so that it's official on the record, uh, when you're going to get together next. And then, um, yep, I'll stop there and answer any questions you might have. Questions or comments? any volunteers for u I'll volunteer for the comp plan uh to be on it not necessarily to run it. Okay. Yeah, I had volunteered for the comp plan too. I've been on I feel like I've been on the ordinance uh you know committee once before on small homebased businesses. So it doesn't matter. I'll be on one

that gets us Mr. Chairman. I was reluctant because I spent four straight years every month on our last comp plan and chaired the group and well chaired this group too at the same time. So, uh I'm letting others step up to the plate, but if you need somebody, I'm I'm ready willing. I I did four years with Mike, too. So, uh but if Mike doesn't want to do it, I'll volunteer to Yeah, I'm I'm interested in the ordinance. You want to do the ordinance? I was interested in ordinances, too. Okay. So, if we have two of us, does that work? Yes, that's fine. Yep. You can have a committee of two. That would work.

Okay. Now, um Mr. King, did you decide on which direction you want to go? Well, I mean, do you need another person for the comp plan? No, I mean, we could do two on each one. It doesn't matter. I mean, we just need a A committee would be f of two is fine. I'll do it. Which one? The comp plan. Comp plan. Okay. All right. put me down. All right. Now, can you all break your calendars out and take a look and see when you might be able to meet in the next maybe where would we meet? Why? Where? Oh, where um we could have you come to the planning division and this would be day meetings or maybe that would be completely up to you. Staff is available. I prefer day. It's same here.

So, it's two of us days of us on one three on the other. So, days Do you know when you when you might have some availability in the next week or so for both committees? Yes. Yes. Like to try to go ahead and get those hammered out. I will not be here next week. Monday Thanksgiving from Monday night on. Can I make a recommendation? I'm not sure, you know, I don't have all my calendar here in front of me. Okay. And I'm not sure I could commit to anything right here on the spot. Um, so, uh, can, uh, Chip and, um, Robert, can we Robert? Robert, I know your name.

Can we can we the three of us get together and communicate between us and pick our day? Is that all right? I I need to look at my calendar at home and stuff. I mean, that's fine. Do you already know? Oh, no. I'm not I'm not on your committee. You're not. I thought it was three of us. You already know. Yeah. I just can't be next week. You can't be next week. Okay. Yeah. Just don't take it wrong, but I spent four years with you. That's maybe I don't need to serve on this. So, um if we could get maybe a You can't come next week, so we can't do it next week.

Well, I was going to say if we can u maybe just pick a date for now for the two that can attend and then um if we have to move it around, we can do that. Next, first part of the week, I may see the following Monday. Okay. Monday. What's What's the date on that? The 24th. 24th. 24th. Monday before Thanksgiving. I can probably make that, too. Oh, you can. Yeah. I can't. I just can't make next week. What time is good for you guys? We're going to meet for an hour. 10 to 11. Is that too early for you guys? It's not too early. I prefer the afternoon. Preferred the afternoon. Okay. Um,

one to two. No. Mainly because you interfere with my gym time. One to two. One to two. Yes. Okay. I'm in for one to two. 24th. 24th. 24th. Okay. All right. We're good. Okay. All right. Until we're not, Gentlemen, that that Monday works for us. I'm in the police academy next week. So, okay. Um, you know a time you want to do morning? Can't we can we can put you in a different room if you want to do one to two? We can do you want to do like 11? That's fine. 10 11 o'clock. Let's do 11. Is it an hour enough or? Yep. Okay. Yep. It should be. So, we'll do 11 to 12 on Y.

And we have we have some we have some handouts for you to take home to review. So, you can take a look at those before we go. All right. Thank you, gentlemen. Really appreciate that. November 24th level. Okay. And if you want to move into staff reports. All right. So, we'll take staff reports.

All right. So, you all have your development activity report. Um the highlights I'll give you. The Riverside Heating and the Little G.I. Joe's. Both of those were approved at the board of supervisors in October. And then looking at your future applications, December is going to be a little bit busy. Um Lafayette Gun Club has submitted their application for their indoor firing range. So they are proposing to build a new indoor frying range on their site. So that application will be coming forward to you as a special use permit. In addition, um you see redstone on there. You see two applications for them. One a resoning and one a special use permit. This is for proposed sheets at the intersection of Fort Eustace Boulevard and 17.

What quadrant? So you've got the uh Wendy's, the Arby's, and then that parcel next to that is where they're planning to go. is a Publix is going in behind him, right?

Publix is going behind it. Correct. And so they're asking for a reasonzoning because they have asked to reduce the watershed management protection area there because fuel storage is not allowed in that area. But they have um worked with Newport News Waterworks which is that's their wershed to um get permission from them to encroach in that. um they're doing some very exceptional I would say engineering feats of works to make sure that their fuel does not go into the wershed. So they'll be presenting all that information to you next month. Uh let's see. Also, you'll have we have on here that you'll have two um text amendments coming before you, but one of those is going to be postponed. Uh the data center one will be postponed until next year. Uh we need to we have some more stuff we want to do on that one. Uh but the other one is for threat deterrent wire or better known as barbed wire. Uh so we'll be bringing that will be something the one committee will be looking at too before the meeting. Um so that will be coming to the planning commission in December. And then lastly uh the only um really interesting item of current development uh the boardwalk down here at the beach front got their uh land disturbing activity permit um recently. They got it on October 30th. So, they're planning to start work on that in the next couple weeks, I think. So, they'll start um construction between the pub and Coastal Thirst. They'll be building that boardwalk that go will fill that space and cleaning up the parking area in front, putting up a sidewalk and those kinds of things. So,

what's the timeline on the pub's expansion? Um the pub the pub itself won't be expanding. It's just the boardwalk. You talking about the other restaurant that they proposed? Yes. Um they have not brought forward any plans for that. I think they want to get the boardwalk built before they um make any decisions on building that second restaurant up there or third restaurant, however you want to say that.

And then I would like to welcome uh Desi Bradic um as the new principal planner. Uh she started with us the Monday before last, so she hasn't been here too long. Uh but she'll be our principal planner. She'll be leading the planning division. So you'll see her frequently at these meetings and upcoming board meetings. Um, and I can't remember. Nick Hill, did we introduce you last time? Okay. Yeah, Nick Hill is our TAB High School mentee for this year, and he's uh learning all about planning and jumping in feet first, wearing a suit and everything. I'm very proud of him. Um, and that's all I had for you all tonight. Thank you. Do you want to talk to the schedule? Uh, yep. Uh, I'm sorry. That's your information for us?

Yes, that's for you. Yep. That's your information. That's uh the schedule for next year. So, make sure you get it on your calendars. Except for Mr. Kryer and Mr. King. You only have to go to June. All right. 10 years. Long time. Happy to have you had you on here. All right. Uh, any other business with that? We stand a journ. All right. [Music]