Economic Development Commission - Regular Meeting

And is this something when I um am with [clears throat] you that I will be able to help at all with or I mean not not quite um this isn't something you know maybe for business startup and resources and things like that but this is more internal. Okay. This is something that staff has to do but you definitely will probably uh if you do shadow us we'll see how that works. I'm I'm waiting for my uh invitation. I know I've had two depositions I'm getting ready for. I mean, we've been busy, but definitely um after I would say the 19th, uh which is I know we have that day off, so there's a lot that we're trying to get done in a few days prior to

some more days into February, too. Okay. Thank you very much. Definitely. Yeah. Okay. Um first order of business is to approve the minutes of the December 9th to 2025 meeting. Um entertain a motion to approve. Bob, you're you're muted. You're still muted. Uh so moved. Second. Trish, you're muted. Second.

Thank you. Any additions, deletions, comments? I have one that actually came from Kevin Goff. Um I don't know if he's attending today or not. I don't have that up yet. Um he suggested that um we have a a comment that Andrew Kaplan is making a comment and he suggested that we identify who he is which is a good idea and Kaplan should be identified as a one of the owners of 31 Toby Road. Okay. Thank you. Okay. Thank you. And a thank you Kevin. All right. With that um addition um all those in favor of approving the minutes signify by saying I. I.

I. Okay. That's taken care of. Thank you. Um, John, Linda, any old business? Not from me, Linda? Uh, no, not that I'm not from you. Yeah. Okay. Do you have any new business? No, I do. Uh,

go ahead. Denise, Denise and I are continuing to work on the Graby Street Tiff District and um we're trying to with Denise's great guidance, which I appreciate, Denise, trying to figure out a way to to just start and to figure out what the steps are going to be because this is not going to happen in a couple months. This is this is going to be a long-term process. We've decided that one of the first things we would like to do that would help to just um make the make it more more inviting, make us look more professional there is to redo the signs on the corner of Graanby Street and Toby Road. That's the little black one, I think. And then the big monument sign that's on the corner of Cottage Grove and um Graanby Street. And what I would like to ask is that the um the commission um approve a $2,000 budget specifically targeted towards design. Am I correct in what I'm saying, Denise?

Yeah. Um I don't know if you have to pay for a design. You would probably go out to that's just to site costs and stuff. um get some input from the um businesses in the area about the signage and then you we'd have to go through the full RFP process to figure out how much it's going to cost for the sign. So, we're probably John, correct me if I'm wrong, we're looking at next year to put into the budget for sign um refurbishment. Well, for the 20 Yeah, for the FY27 budget. We got to have numbers by the end of this month, right?

So, we could we could in a sense there was I believe one company offered to do a broad overview of budget, right? Redo that science. Maybe if we can have that done and then we could essentially put that in the budget. It'll be substantially more than $2,000, but it's at least it's a placeholder to have a statement. Yeah, your What do you think about that? Well, I you know, I think we can certainly put it in. Um I'm not one I'm not sure if they're going to want to switch it to the capital budget. Yeah,

that's what they probably the actual sign needs to go. Mhm. Um and that um you know it's probably safer there than in the operating budget because we've already been directed to to do a very lean operating budget. I don't think there's going to be any add-ons except u you know maybe in the finance department. I would be surprised there's any add-ons in any other department. Our budget for this year John was what was our budget for this year? I'm thinking 500. Is that right? I actually don't remember. Linda may know or she can look it up. Okay. Thank you, Linda. Yeah.

I I just want to make sure that it's not so lean that we can't do anything. And you know, Denise Denise is doing a lot of work. I'm doing a lot of work. I'm not complaining about it. I want to, but I want to make sure that when we get to the point, which is the other thing we want to do is is [clears throat] we would like to have a meeting at some point, just a greet and meet with the tenants and the owners of the tiff district, just to talk to them a little bit about what we think could happen there and to see what they think could happen there. And we're going to need some funding for that as well. Not a lot, but something. So, I want to make sure there's something in our budget. Linda, what was it uh this current year? Do you know? I'm just to verify the amount. I believe it was 500. I'm just still trying to log in. One moment.

Yeah, that that's what I remember. But I believe it was 500. Yes. And that's that's enough to do if we want to do like a meet and greet at Hooker. Okay. And and just get the tenants together and have, you know, Danish and coffee or something. Okay. And if we needed more, what happens? Do we go to council and ask them for additional funds at some point or Well, once the budget is adopted, then you're relying on, right, one of two contingency funds, the managers and the councils, right? Um, and what's the recommendation? Don't ask for more. Just go to to uh

I would stay at 500 right now, quite frankly. Okay. Uh, but I think I'll but at the same time if if um you can do a ballpark estimate on what you think the sign might cost, we can dump that into the capital budget. Okay. When do you need that, John? By by the end of the month. Okay. Denise, I'll reach out to our contact and that's fine. Um, he can give you and if do a range that's [clears throat] Oh, yeah. Most likely what we're going to ask for is a refurbishment of the current signage, right?

Okay. Because of their condition. The other thing um that we had talked about was um that dilapidated sign that's falling apart as you're entering uh Graanby Street. Um just to see if public works can go out and remove that. Yeah. I want to make a correction. It's 200. It's 200. It was 200. Okay. I'm asking 200. I'm gonna ask for 500. We can do that. Okay. I mean, we're actually doing something now. The other Okay. And and Denise, the sign that's going to be removed. Do we think public works will put up one of the welcome to Bloomfield signs?

Well, I think that's where we have to talk to India um and and Brian because those welcome to Bloomfield signs. I'm not sure. Maybe Linda or John knows whose budget those come out of. DPW. DPW. So, we'd have to talk to DPW. They're um Okay. They're rebranding all of them. So, it would so it would be part of the whole rebranding the package when they put this if they put a sign up there. Yeah. So, if we could make sure that gets on the list when they do their rebranding. Right. Because you know, we did meet with Indie and Brian and the feed the what I my takeaway, Denise, and if it was yours was that they really haven't gotten very far on the rebranding. They've got other issues that they've been dealing with.

Yeah. Well, they're dealing with a lot of I know they are. No, I know that. That's why I'm saying it the way I'm saying it. Okay. Yeah. Uh so, do I So, I I don't assume I don't need a motion. I just wanted to really inform um the commission of what we'll be asking for. Do I need a formal motion to approve a $500 request? I don't think so. Okay, good. That's the message. Okay, thank you very much. Um, Commissioner updates, you Bob. Uh, it's all on my shoulders and I have nothing to report. [laughter] Fair enough. We're trying to uh catch up with the artist uh to do the bear which will be in the spring and I've initiated

just in the last two weeks a conversation with him to uh update some of the details but uh we're heading toward that and other than that we have uh nothing on the agenda for the art commission. Uh we do have our regular meetings and are doing some planning. Great. Okay. Thank you Bob. Any questions or comments, Trisha? Any comments at all? Uh, no. No comments.

Could I ask you a question if you don't mind? You're the most recent um uh retail business that or or restaurant that's come into town. How did And I don't mean to put put you on the spot, but how did you find the um the process? Was it because you've been in business before, so I'm assuming you had a little knowledge of how it worked. Did it did you find it relatively easy to understand what you had to do? Um yeah, I found it relatively easy. Um everybody was very helpful and you know just following the steps along the way. You know, every business is is different, you know, so there's no playbook on how to um start a business. But yeah, I had um no issues whatsoever. And everybody was very helpful.

Okay, that's very good to hear. And how long did it take you? Um realistically like less than a month. It was very quick. Wow. That's now you that was a a same use in that building. Is that right, Linda? Is that part of what Exped, you know, going into a restaurant that was already a restaurant definitely was um a little bit easier to speed up the process. Okay. And having run a restaurant, so you actually knew Yeah. Yep.

Because that's part of what I'm um I'm talking to people about and trying to figure out. I want to make sure it's not even a question of of expediting the process in in the planning department. I think it's it's um realistic um expectations

by the tenants and I think they don't always have them and um I'll talk about that again in another section but um that that's been my takeaway that um that's part of the issue that they have when they come into the planning department. That's why I want to see Linda John what does happen you know when a when a newbie comes in and tries to tries to uh get a business started in town because we very much talking about branding need to be sure that we are seen as friendly not just to big business but to small business because I think that is going to give us the identity that we want to have in the future. Okay. Thank you. Um,

Bonnie, if if I may just comment for a moment, and I know you and uh

Denise especially are working on this with uh with Linda and John. Uh I think Trisha uh uh demonstrates exactly the fundamental issue. It's not so much the process because if you know what you're doing, uh you can get through that, you know, in the normal time periods. this takes a week, that takes two weeks. It's really educating uh the businesses. Uh you know, I uh we had patent council when I had my company and they said, "You have no idea how many people come to us with a brilliant idea Monday morning after the Sunday football game." uh but getting it implemented they have no clue at all how to turn that into a business. So your project to uh educate the businesses you know people say oh I would love to uh open a uh a Japanese restaurant have you ever had a restaurant? No. Well Trisha can tell us there are a thousand things you need to know uh to open a restaurant. So that that's really the fundamental issue. It's not so much with the town as it is with the business uh the prospective business uh entrepreneur.

And and what what Janice and I are both looking for is a way for the non town employees to somehow provide some help here. And I know Gome New York has a how to start a business uh uh pamphlet. Am I right Janice? That you we have a a package for them. And in fact, I um in December um I worked with one woman who she had established her business already, you know, established the entity and everything um and thought it was okay that she would run it out of her her residence in Bloomfield.

Um the type of business it is, it's not a homebased business. Um so worked with her to set up a business plan draw worked on the business plan that she had expanded that and then said no this is where you could locate a business like that and and did she or did she um she well she's established I have to follow up with her so Oh good okay that's

any questions or comments okay this this again will be a work in progress Um uh you know I I've committed the commission and myself in particular to working on the Graanby Street area and it's um it it is definitely a work in progress but we're learning right Denise we're getting a very and Denise has been wonder we're getting a good education as to what's out there what the possibilities are and um any if any of the owners that are out there want to make a comment they're more than welcome to. Now anyone want to say anything? Okay, moving right along. Um, your consultant report, Denise, anything else besides what? Anybody out with the written report?

Um, Dave, I'll let Dave say if he has anything going on. I know that around the holidays it's always quiet. Yeah, you're muted, Dave. Yeah, you're muted.

Yeah. Sorry, Bunny. Um nothing particular during December other than um we're we were helping a a new contract manufacturer who's established a place over on Synica and uh he's just by himself. He's an entrepreneur of of in his own right. Um, but that that's basically what was going on during the quote holiday month. Yeah.

Yeah. And the other thing that that I've been working on, I reached out to Dave and Denise, is um, one piece of what I think could h could help change the whole character of the Graby Street area is housing. And um so I was asking if they knew of any any brokers that are specifically involved with with multif family residential housing and that's not really their forte but they did give me a connection in town and I will pursue that that they sent an email out already and we'll see because I think that's if anyone's been around long enough maybe you John. Uh do you remember the University Park in the 1980s the proposal that was set up? Yeah.

Yeah. So that included um it was a connection from the University of Hartford to the Graanby Street Toby Road area. It included um affordable whatever you would call affordable housing. It was going to be a consortium of the University of Hartford um Hartford Hospital and I think St. Francis I don't quite remember and maybe one of the insurance companies. Everyone had the same issues. This affordability issue is not new. They were looking for a way for good young entry- level employees to be able to come to this community and afford to live somewhere and it never really got anywhere. But um it it just tells me and we've got plans. I mean we have again we have a parcel on um off of Toby. We've got we've got drawings that were done and I'm sure other people may have the same thing. And I think Denise it's in the tiff zone, right?

Yes, it is. Okay. So, I think that's going to be the next sort of interesting conversation because that seems to be a hot topic right now and we'll see where that goes. Um, anything else for Gman and New York? No. Daytoday continue. Pardon me. I said daytoday we continue. Yes, I know we all do. Yeah. And everyone's recovered from the flu, whatever else they've got, right? Oh, God. Yeah. [laughter] There was no Christmas this year at my house. You're not the only one. I mean, I think the determination people had for a good holiday was that only half of the people got sick. Yeah. No, we celebrated Christmas last Friday night.

Well, there you go. Better late than never. Um, okay. Town planner report. Uh, the plan of conservation and development, which you referenced, John? Uh, either of you want to give us an update on that?

Yeah, we've sent out um drafts of the rewrites of the chapters that Justin and staff have done. We um going to have a discussion with the commission um about them on uh we we've scheduled four planning meetings for the year and the first one is in February uh be a week before the regularly scheduled meeting and we're going to have a discussion there and then hopefully be in a position um probably at the a week later to send it over to the council for their 30-day review. um uh and then maybe act on it in March uh April at the latest um depending on how how fast how much feedback we get and then whether we have to make additional changes um and u so it's it's crawling along let me put it that way

is there a public hearing uh piece there are no more public hearings okay uh required or scheduled I just want to say it is going out this week. We are sending those drafts to the commission this week um for discussion in February. But we are we have it we have gathered it and they're going out. So I'm sure Linda and everyone else would be very happy to see that off your plate and going. [laughter] Okay. Any questions about that?

Uh I don't know what town development update means or who. So someone tell me what that means and then tell us about it. That's a rundown of what's going on in terms of development. You know, what's in process, what's being built. If you want it, we can give you the long form or the short form. We got time today. How about the long form? Okay. Well, before we do that, just I'm going to jump first to the town center. Okay,

Denise. I mean, the application was submitted in or the reapplication was submitted in early December and we uh we uh anticipate a decision in March and hopefully we'll get a positive one. Um the thing that has to happen now is we have to um keep beating beating up on our representatives to um to uh be contacting the decision makers uh so that they know there's a great deal of support in town for the application. We don't think that the um that the adverse publicity we're getting regarding the audit and the uh rating uh will have an impact but uh one never knows. But that's the thinking right now that they are that they are separate and that folks can keep it separate.

Hopefully that and I think as you all know the the initial court decision um fa ruled in favor of the town that the $4 million set aside was legitimate and so it's still there although I understand that an appeal is going to be taken. And so it goes now. Any question? Any questions, Jenise?

Uh, no, but that four million is part of the budget that we submitted with the CIF request showing that the town they'd like to see that the town has skin in the game and that is a good portion of what we put in some is the um phase ones that were done um in the last round so that the town has paid for too. So since the request still for about 24 million that number no it went down went down to 19 just about 19 million because of the four million in there or just because of changes changes in budget and yeah

okay any any questions? Well I'd love to see this move forward. Yeah, as we all would. Okay. Um now the rest of the town John. Okay. I'll run through the report that I give to the um to the governance committee um on a monthly basis. Um we start with ordinances and whatnot. I think as you know the inclusionary zoning regulations were adopted last April. Remind us what those are. Say again.

Could you tell us again what those are? Those are the regulations that require 12% of any any uh residential development of over 10 units has to have um 12% affordable housing. Okay.

And also as part of it 10% of the commercial building permit fees we receive has to be transferred to the affordable housing trust fund and we do that on a quarterly basis. And um since the ordinance went into effect, we've transferred about $120,000 um to that fund. The cannabis moratorum was extended uh till March 1, will probably be extended again. Um and um we are continuing a major uh townwide staffwide review of um collection efforts related to um code enforcement citations, building zoning, health. Um, as most people know, if it's um it's it's sort of an unwritten, but if you basically get a citation in town and you get a fine, there's no followup. And so, um, you know, people lot many people pay it, but if they don't, we don't. So, we're foregoing a good chunk of change. So, we're trying to put in place a uh a consistent system uh for tracking and collecting or leaning uh for those fees.

John, does the police department have any any function in that? I remember at some point they wanted to have the police officers out with the No, it's it's police, health, building. Okay. It across the board.

Okay. Thank you. And we're, you know, it's all, we're all independent at the moment and we're trying to get it all unified. Not an easy task, but one that needs to happen in terms of approved developments or developments under construction. There's a lot going on and has gone on. Rifel Howled and 90 units of single family is completed on occupied Telus 2 that's on Jerome A is 150 units apartments completed. Seabberry. Uh they're well on the way to completing their 24 unit residential edition. Uh the Watkins Simbury Simsbury Overbrook 32 Single Family PLR is under construction. 29 units of Abby Court at 1120 Bloomfield Blue Hills Avenue is under construction. 57 Jolly Drive, which is the second Washbrook apartment development of 40 apartments is under construction. Yella 164 units with 19 affordable units is under construction.

The date for that for occupancy any idea yet? I would say uh next uh spring of 207 that's going to be a game changer up there. I think Yep.

Okay. Thank you. Maybe maybe earlier, but that's what my that's my guess for the first for the first units. The the uh plans for the second two structures just came in yesterday. Um 40 Tungstus Avenue, good old Popeye's is under construction on an ad hoc basis. Um but uh they told me they were going to be open on December 1. They obviously didn't make it. I think uh I wouldn't hold my breath till April 1st, but I think they're they're slowly getting along there. A self- storage facility at um 85 Graanby Street uh is fully completed and available for leasing. And I think as we all know back when the uh the 550,000 foot warehouse that was proposed on West Dudley Town Road has been withdrawn uh and is not going forward. Uh, another self- storage facility on Douglas Street, 5969, is under construction. Uh, I think as you may have all noticed, we have a new tenant, the physical therapy medical office at Nine Tungstus, the old warehouse, the old um um hardware store. Uh, Capac Center is under new ownership and is um beginning to undergo significant upgrades with that ownership. Uh both Sigma and Katics are making significant uh internal investments in terms of rehabilitation and some expansion. And um a small new retail five unit strip mall is um under construction at 529 Cottage Grove Road. That's just east of Northwestern Drive.

So John, how come this isn't in the paper? So how come this isn't in the paper? We got a great story to tell.

Then under de pre-construction or pre-development, we are under in conversations with um folks on 270 Woodland Avenue. That's that big open big field just north of the condominiums for 150 units of housing. Uh the first cathedral is starting their land use permitting process for 150 apartment units of affordable housing uh at uh on their site um along with an what they call an empowerment center which will be a small addition to the uh to the cathedral itself. Um the proposed data center at 132 Griffin Road, we've heard nothing since June and we've assumed no further activity. The uh proposed uh bar battery storage facilities on Cottage Grove Road and Terafill Road, we have again had no further activity. Uh but they're still out there, but they have not filed with the sighting council and they're not moving. Um the uh the uh Butler's uh fourth phase for the town center apartments on Gab Road and the west side of Bloomfield Avenue. He is starting his uh land use approval process in the next month or so. And then a very exciting one, 800 Cottage Grove Road, uh for 100 for 215 apartment units, uh has done an informal presentation to both the staff and to uh the political leadership. And um and um

John, is that the office complex on the corner? Yeah, that's the office complex on the corner to redo. And Denise, as an aside, um the attorney, um Megan Hope, uh will be reaching out to Mike Gleman. Yep. To uh discuss um and she had to You don't charge the developer for that, do you? Um for what type of service? The review for for a tax tax agreement. No, no, no. That goes through you. Correct. We pay for that. Yeah. because it's done technically for the town, right? Okay. Yeah,

because they asked me the question. I thought that was the answer. But you he um it depends. There are times when um we have done it in other communities when the town requests it as an addition to our services. It's paid for by the developer, but it's paid to the town and then the town pays us. It goes, it depends on how it's done. Let's just put it that way. Okay. Okay. It I think a lot will depend on the extent of it and what it's going to require. Okay. Okay. Yep. We can we'll see what they need and discuss it with you from there.

Um and then um I always end the report by the numbers as we call it. And so we gave them the numbers for the first six months of the uh fiscal year July 1 to December 31. We had 1194 building permits. They had a permit value of um 1.161 million 1,161,000 roughly and they had a construction value of about 83 million119,000. Um we had projected permit value for the year of somewhere about 1.4. So we are well on the way to hitting our mark and then exceeding it. So you can see we continue to have a a pretty good and busy year despite um all the chatter out there.

The question again is how do we get that information out? Is this given to anybody in the media or how is it handled? Was it given to Brian? Well, I make a public presentation to the council. It was done at he presented it at the governance. If you um get a chance to look at that, the um the subcommittee meeting from last week, John's presentation is all up on it. Is is that something Brian should be trying to get into the media? Is that part of his charge or not really? It could be. We've never we've never done it. So, I mean,

I think we desperately need a positive voice out there, John. I mean, it's for those who actually read the paper or actually see it on TV. Uh, we've it's discouraging because it's not what the time is going. I wouldn't say this publicly, but I guess it would be, but the we the current reporters are not the u not what they used to be. Let me put it that way.

No, we we all know that. But we've got to be more proactive. Um, would it make it No, never mind. I'm not going to say what I was going to say. Okay. Um, any comments or questions, from the commission, from the attendees? Okay. On to the development agency. So, are we the agency or the authority? I never remember. It is the agency. Is that what we're called? Yes, you're you're the Economic Development Commission development agency. Okay. Um, continue discussion in Graanby and Toby. Denise, do you want to take that or you want me to do it or

I'll let you. We actually went through a lot of it that we talked about. Um, and I think the biggest, well, probably the biggest thing is that just getting the tenants together in that area, the tenants, the business, the property owners, and um talking to them to see, you know, what are their expectations? They're, you know, we know we have some expansions. Dave has talked to um a couple of the businesses down there. We know we have business owners that want to do more with their buildings. Um we have some new development down there, you know, with the cannabis and we have some tried andrue um businesses that have been there and been very successful for years. So, I think it's more of um and part of this is the signage and part part of it is, you know, Linda and John's team going out there and approaching the businesses that were not um up to par to where they should be were in, you know, non-compliance. I think it's a a whole work in progress of everything together that's going to make that area better. So, and there are a few opportunities still left in that area. So,

yeah. And what I've been trying to do is to do at least once a week to do a circuit around Kopako because I've told the new owners that I would watch it for them sort of and also to go down um the Gramby Street Tiff area and look at it. And and to me, of course, in the winter it always looks better because you don't have to worry about the vegetation, but I don't see garbage. I don't see broken window. I mean, there there's basic things. And we did have some dumping on Toby Road and eventually um thank you for the our police department. They got the University of Harper to get their act together and get stuff out of there because it was one mattress and then it was three mattresses. You know how that goes. So that was that was somewhat encouraging. Um, the only update I have is I've been spending a lot of time trying to determine if there was a um an appetite for some type of an artist um uh district there. And and I think I think there is, but I think I had to narrow a view. Um talked to a couple of outside real estate people that I haven't talked to for a while and took them down there and they both had the same uh impression. And now we're talking about basically the the the Kaplan's 31 Toby Road property because that's the one big open space that is available. And both of them thought that although it was interesting to have artists there, it was probably more interesting to try to have events there. So, um, one of the one of the people I'm talking to was very involved with the dance community. Um Bob and I have talked about uh the drum festival that maybe that's something that could eventually be somewhere besides uh where it's been. Um it's this is all going to take a time. I know that it's going to take money eventually, but I think the combination of maker space, um, upgraded existing buildings, and some type of activity, I want to get people down there to see

what it's like, to see that it's safe, to see that it's fun. And um that's what I'm that's what I'm starting to look at now is is to see if there's maybe for the summer, some kind of an event being held down there that would just get people into the area. So any feedback anybody has for me, any suggestions from either the participants or the uh uh the attendees, I would appreciate it tremendously. Any questions? Okay. Uh, Bonnie, could I mention something? Do you think it would be worthwhile to

see if the chamber might want to relocate its food truck festival to the area? We can talk to them. Denise, do you want to take that or no? Um, I'm I'm trying to think of where it would Yeah.

where it could be located down there. Yeah, I think that belongs in the center town and it's been so successful for the last two years there. And to be honest with you, they have already um sent out their sponsorship information um that came in last week because we were a sponsor of it, so I got it again for this year. Um so they've already done all their planning already for this year. Um you know, it's pretty well established going into its third year being part of the town center, you know. Um, one thing we may have to look at is, you know, it I I don't want to say if, but when the town center goes into redevelopment mode, um, there might be a year where it it can't be held there. So, it might have to look for an alternative location for that year.

And again, this is one reason I think, Denise, it's so important we talk to the to the people that are in the district because it's one thing for us to have ideas. I want to hear what their ideas are and how they think it's going to work and what they think will help them. And that's really what what we're we're trying to do is to find something that will just upgrade and make people aware of what's there because it's amazing the the number of very highly skilled um people that are working down there that you I almost think of as an old industrial zone. It isn't anymore. If it is, then it's clean industry. It's not the old style industry. And I think that's the other thing that we have to make people aware of. Okay. Um, any public comment?

Wow. Okay. Everybody's pardon me. No, I don't see any. No hands raise. No hands. No. Um, I don't think the only update I have is I am going to be uh away for the next meeting on February 10th. And Bob has told me that he is um able to share that. So um I'll miss you, but I'm going to go play golf, [laughter] warmer weather.

And again, uh Rebecca will be sending out to everybody the schedule because one, it's important we all show up because only there's only a few of us. And it's also really important if anybody knows of anybody that they think would work well on this, I would love to have we have two spots. I would love to fill at least one of them this spring or summer just so that we're not, you know, concerned about um being able to enact business. Having said that, I'll entertain a motion to adjourn. So moved to adjurnn. Trish second. Okay. All those in favor? Okay. Bye.

Enjoy the winter, guys. And uh I will see you in March, but Bob will see you on February 10th. All right, Bonnie. We'll talk soon. Good. Okay. Thanks, Bonnie. Thank you, everyone. Bye.