Plan Commission - Regular Meeting

Um, this meeting is held as a hybrid meeting both virtually on Zoom. The Zoom link is at the top of the agenda and also in person at Village Hall. It is 6:30. Um, so I'll call the meeting to order. We do have a quorum and the agenda was properly posted. So, we'll stand for the pledge of allegiance. I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of Americ's opportunity to speak. Uh we ask that um residents first give their name, address, and um limit their comments to no more than three minutes so that everyone has an opportunity to speak. We'll start with individuals in the room and then move to anyone that's on Zoom. So we do have one wish to speak form which is Lee Madden. If you'd like to come up and um give comments, then we will just move right on. Um if there's um no one else in the room that'd like to speak, is there anyone on Zoom? Okay. Um, so we will move on to number five. Discuss and consider the minutes from the plan commission meeting of April 9th, 2025. Motion to approve as presented. I'll second. There's a motion by Alex and a second by Heidi. Um, any more discussion on it? All those in favor? I I opposed abstain. Two abstensions. Motion carries. Um, so moving on to number six. discuss and consider an application from Wilar Larson for the approval of an ETJ certified survey map. Um Erin, if you want to give. Sure. Um Mr. Larson is here if we have any questions, but I think this is pretty straightforward. Um Mr. Larson's just looking to split off a lot. Uh that his daughter can

build a house on. The town and county have already approved this. It's way on the edge of our uh jurisdiction. It's not really going to affect us. Um, so we'd recommend approval. Any comments from the commission? I guess I will just explain for the new members. We do have authority within a mile and a half of the village limits to approve a land division. There's no staff conditions, so I'll make a motion to approve as presented. Second. There's a motion by Alex, second by Don. Um, any more discussion? All those in favor? I opposed. Abstain. Motion carries. Um number seven, discuss request from Everly Kadori to amend the village of Cottage Grove comprehensive plan to permit um four units at 224 North Main Streets. Um so I would like the property owner to be part of this discussion and I don't see them either here or online. Uh they were aware that the date changed so maybe we put it on hold and see if anyone shows up before we're done. Otherwise, we might table it for the next meeting. I'd also like to Can you turn your Yep. I'd like to like to see some kind of drawing or something. It doesn't have to be fancy, but just at least something of what they are what they're looking to do or want to do. My understanding it's all interior. It's just rearranging the units within the building. Okay. Um but I think you know there are some probably some fire code issues. that's not really our business here, but that they'll want to take a look at and it's complicated zoning wise and yeah, we would just like to have them. But a little more background of familiar with the buildings. Um, but I guess a little more background on what it is they want to do or if it's internal or Yeah, it's pretty gray and vague right now. Yeah, that's why I'd like to have them. Okay. Here.

All right. All right, we can come back to this agenda item if um the um applicant does um come to the rest to the meeting. Um so we'll move on to number eight. Uh discussing and consider an application from Giovani Artega for approval of the site plan amendment to allow 600 foot addition and additional parking for Toby's Auto located at 221 Bonnie Road. Okay. So yeah, Givani and Lee Madden uh his architect are here if you guys want to come up and Give a little background. Uh, good evening. My name is Lee Madden and I'm here with Giovani Artega, owner of Toby's Auto Sales. Uh they have a facility at 221 Bonnie Road and they've been operating uh in that facility with uh a body shop uh repairing vehicles primarily for their own uh resale. They purchased the property in 2005 and a master plan was done at that

time indicating uh four phases of work. Phase one was uh submitted and approved and was a fenced uh rear yard behind the building for inventory vehicles. and we're here before you to get initial uh review and comment on phases two and three which are colored in your handout as um a building expansion shown in green. It's a 20 by 30 addition which would become um employee break area and sales counter. They're looking to expand the use at this location to add auto sales uh to their auto repair. And they've been operating for approximately 30 years uh in the auto repair, auto sales business and are looking to bring auto sales to this facility. the uh there would be an expansion a proposed expansion of the parking area which is on the east side of the building and shown in in gray. Uh the there's currently a seven stall parking lot there. The initial master plan from 2005 uh proposed a 16 stall addition for auto sales contemplated in in the future. The plan before us has 25 additional stalls um located on the east side and the addition of a storm water retention area which is uh become part of the village ordinances. And so we have um a

conceptual site plan we'd like to um get feedback on and um comments on the process to bring auto sales as a permitted use at this facility. There are a number of other site improvements that are shown in with red notes. It's primarily uh repaving the existing surface lot that's there. Uh similar to what the village did at the um um uh recycle compost collection area. Uh we we would um have comprehensive plans of building uh character uh dimensions on the site plan, landscaping, uh site lighting, signage at future presentations. any comments or questions that I I could answer or Giovani could answer? Yeah. So, basically, as we kind of alluded to, we're talking about agenda items eight and nine kind of together here. Um, and this may sound familiar to those of you who were on the planning commission a few years ago. We did have a little bit of a discussion about allowing auto sales um in the industrial district based on, you know, this location. It didn't move forward at that time. Um what we had talked about then was creating an accessory auto sale use that would be permitted in an industrial district. Um for a case like this where it's primarily auto repair but they could also sell a few cars. Um, if you guys are open to considering that, then you would indicate that to me and I can draft up some language for the

next um, meeting that we could consider formally. Um, as far as number eight on the agenda, that's the site plan. Um, I have some conditions in the staff report. We could approve it conditionally. There's a few things are a little bit vague in terms of the storm water and the building elevation. So we could also just wait and approve them all together with the zoning at the subsequent meeting. It's kind of up to you guys when they came in before what I remember them coming in and I and I remember the auto sales. I just don't remember what what became of that. Uh that did not proceed. Okay. It sat. Yeah. and uh that had a smaller it didn't have double stalls for vehicle display on the ex on the 2021 plan that was submitted. Good memory though. Yeah. Go ahead. Sure. Um the parking lot expansion, there's a lot of green space that's going to get chewed up between the existing parking lot and the sidewalk. How close do we get to the sidewalk with this? I'm just w I'm looking at the landscaping of that whole road as it comes down. So, how close do we get to the sidewalk? Is there still going to be a green buffer there? There would be some green buffer. I don't know the exact dimension. I know one of the staff comments was a 10- foot setback and we'd be able to maintain that, but it may cost uh several uh vehicle uh conforming vehicle layout uh stalls. It's not dimensioned, but I I suspect there's going to be an issue in the north east corner. I think it's between six and 8t. I don't have the dimensions

uh available. So, it'll be at least that much between sidewalk and the and the stalls. Yes. Okay. So, the Okay. So I guess is the commission interested in having Aaron draft uh zoning ordinance amendments related to auto sales? So this would be uh conditional use in the industrial district is that and which other areas are industrial districts in the village that this would that's this area the commerce park also is but the covenants for the commerce park don't allow vehicle sales. Um so that would prevent this from being a use up there really just pertain to this the older industrial park. Uh would we want to perhaps consider any restrictions to the conditional use like distance to a you know residential area or something along those lines? I don't I don't know if that's I mean this is close but not like the neighboring lot or anything. Yeah. So when when auto sales are primary use there's some regulations in the ordinance that pertain to that. So we would have, you know, something similar that would pertain to this district. I don't have any issue with the auto sales. I mean, you could quiet. That's right. That's right. So then the second part is number eight. This um consider the application. Do we want to uh um consider that with the staff recommendation conditions tonight or would we want to see that back at the next meeting al together? How does that impact schedule? Oh, that would be if we detach it's detached, right? So like if I guess theor theoretically number eight gets approved, it would go to village

board and then that construction project can move forward. However, you couldn't do sales until the next meeting cycle for the sales. Okay. Okay. Uh yeah, I think it would be helpful to make sure all the storm water things if we have the engineers report then along with that just get all of the things checked off. Thanks. All right. So, Larry, I don't know if we need a motion to table it or just take it out next time. It's kind of like a conceptual. All right. Thank you. Thanks, Lee. Thank you. All right. Should we um jump back to number seven? Yeah, I think this is Everlin and Javier. Great. Um yeah, so we can jump back to that. Okay. You guys want to come up and kind of Give a little background on what you're looking to do here. There's a button on the box. Oh, okay. So, my name is Evelyn and um I wanted to come and inquire about the zoning rules for the new property that I just acquired. I've lived there for a few years. Uh 224 North Main Street and I lived on the B side. There is a a side and both both those units do have basement. So, the basement have been underutilized significantly because um it's not livable space yet. And

so, I'm I've not done this before and so I'm very new to all these. Um and so I wanted to hopefully um convert them into four units if that's an option. And so, as it stands now, there is a main entrance. So there's a shared door and down the stairs each of the basements and have access to their own doors and of course I will make sure that you know the the fire requirements and all the things that are required to ensure safety will be in place but I wanted to start by understanding the zoning rules. Is this unit even an option to convert it from a two to a four? Um there is next door is a is a multi-unit and I think it's about five units if not more. So I feel like in terms of space that should be doable. Um there's a plenty of space parking in the front backyard. So there will be plenty of space for smaller families, individuals who could utilize a basement and maybe a family with two kids can be upstairs and go from there. I mean there's a lot of shortage and expansions in housing and I think this would be a good use of the current space that is there. So that's why I'm here. So I wanted to start here. Yeah. So um certainly we're always looking for different types of housing in the village. So I think this is a creative idea and certainly worth talking about. Um you mentioned the fire codes and building codes. I would recommend looking into that probably sooner than later because there may I think when you go to four units there may be some higher standards in terms of I don't know if you might need sprinklers if you need higher levels of fire separation between units things that might you know have some cost impacts that you might want to look into

right um but that's not really our purview here in the plan commission as far as the zoning so it's currently zoned to family um which means four units wouldn't be allowed. So, we'd have to make some kind of change to permit this. Um, really, so if it's four units on a parcel of this size, that would be 20 units per acre, which is in excess of any of our even multif family districts for density. Um, so it couldn't really be reszoned to an existing category. We'd really be looking at doing it as a planned unit development. Um, there would also need to be a change to the comprehensive plan because it's called out as single family. Um, I know trustee Stow, I think, sent an email to the plan commission about possibly just changing the TR8 district to allow more units. Um, but that's really only part of it. We'd also have to address the density and probably also parking. Um, so I think per ordinance we require at least one and a half spots per unit. Um, potentially more if there's more bedrooms. Um, so it would really need to be a PUD to kind of address all these issues that don't fit into a existing category. Um, you know, variance might be something that someone thinks of, but there's really not a hardship here because it's really just, you know, a zoning limitation that anyone would have. Uh, so really just here to get the commission's thoughts on, you know, do we like this idea? Do we want to pursue this? Does it seem kind of a stretch with what we allow now. Just kind of looking for feedback. Does the It may end very quick. Does the basement have an ability to escape? Is there windows that an individual can climb through? So that we would have to

create that. So Okay. So you're aware of that requirement. Yeah. Yeah. agress window looks like the current well the previous owners they did start working on it but they didn't they didn't it didn't I don't think it's sufficient to consider a window so there would be an eress window making sure they have that ability to climb out so we would have to include that cuz okay it doesn't have it now okay just to verify this would all be interior in the existing building right there's no building addition No, no. There's a little shed outside, but probably get rid of that. So, it'll all be within the confinement of the already existing building. Yeah, that may may require multiple egress windows. I don't know the code on that but so yeah each of them would would cuz it's almost like it was designed to be for four but then somebody didn't completed and so each of so the unit um would have their own eress window and the left unit would have the same the upstairs unit are all independent so they completely independent of each other okay I don't want to hurt innovation. It's really like as you mentioned it's a good idea to look at it but I think there's got to be before we I feel like before I would try to make a judgment call on it engineering should tell us if it's which is your engineers would tell us if it's possible right can this window be cut in is the building structurally sound to handle it the parking requirements and some of the other stuff that's that's very known issues can those be resolved and then really the gaps yeah I don't have the quote with me. But yes, they they when the guy came to do inspection and take a look, he said that is an

option. Yeah. Says extended deck actually for the upper unit. There's extended deck that goes way into the backyard. So, we'll just need to get rid of that um because they don't need it. And maybe be creative. There's plenty of space at the front. Maybe a little a little patio deck for the people at the front and a little patio space for the person at the back and get rid of those decks to create room for those windows and escape. I think it's um an interesting idea to you know utilize our existing housing stock to help solve some of the the housing situation. So, you know, I think it would be worthwhile for us to explore some of um these types of changes anyway because I think, you know, this is a very good way to have, you know, both income at property and also provide, you know, the needed living space in in the area. So I think you know this is also we have the the improvements on our on our main street and um more accessibility to to housing on one of our main roads that you know without demolishing and rebuilding a structure. So, I think it's it's an interesting thing to pursue, not just for one property, but perhaps there'd be, you know, additional properties in the future that might, you know, have a flat idea where that might not be. Currently, I'm looking at the picture right now, I guess parking is going to be a real challenge where you're going to add parking to this to conform. So I think there is five and I I wasn't aware of the one and a half. So I'm learning. So I think within that space um it can fit five vehicles. There's a

so they dumped a lot of snow. So on over there this I'm going to take care get rid of all that. It's like a mountain of that could be utilized better if you ask me. So I think that could fit five parkings which will just be marked A B C D. Make sure it's nicely done. Um I don't know about street parking so I don't know. Yeah. So that might be a that might be an issue. But then if the space downstairs would be for say you know a couple or an individual and just kind of give them one parking and the people upstairs. So we can be creative there. I mean I've lived um in San Prairie and they were like there's no parking so I parked on the street. So is that really a deal breaker parking? I don't know. I guess Don, that's part of why it would need to be a planned unit development. We'd have to allow them to have less parking than would And there's there's also the possibilities. So So there's a couple of different ways that you can view this because the units upstairs have about two rooms each and one bathroom. uh downstairs. Uh so the basement could be configured one of them to have for sure two bedrooms, the other one maybe a onebedroom, one bathroom. So I mean there is there is that opportunity to also look at like the density of like of the people who actually live there. Um I guess part of also why we're here is we really want to understand how like what are some of those things? So like if it's one and a half uh parkings per you know for for that area. So then it would be they they would have if they actually if we pave the rest of the front it would be able to then fit probably that.

Um now it also comes to a couple of the questions like uh how much can we do before encroaching into the other uh units. So then we also need to do that the part about dividing it into like right away like making sure that it is assigned to each one of those units. So you know we're open to the idea. I mean it's this was really you know a project that she was passionate about and wanted to like uh you know kind of like give back also to the community to be able to actually make affordable housing a little bit better for for the uh for the community especially now that rents are crazy. So it's one of those things that we that the more ideas we get from you like to see how we can expand it to that that would be you know it's it's it's the ideal part of this because we we want to do it. Uh it's just more about like how can it you know be accomplished and and knowing what the regulations are for this because we really want to make sure that we that we do whatever needs to be done so it's compliant and it and if it is possible right we understand that there's also that asterisk of maybe it's not possible so then you know it's that would be another part of it. This would definitely be a different kind of plan unit development than the ones we normally do. Those are usually for, you know, bigger, more complex projects. We don't really use it for a small residential parcel like this, but there's no reason why we couldn't approve the ordinance. There's no minimum size or anything like that for DO. It's just a little bit of a different precedent. I'm just wondering if it makes sense for us as a commission to really think through is there a different type of zoning type that we want to consider for

this uh versus the 12 or the eight in there MR1 12 or MR18 in there just because of these unique challenges that we're talking about. Um kind of call it a little bit out. We can look at the parking. We can look at all those things that are part of that overall housing comprehensive plan elements. And then just I guess for the mechanics of it too though it would go to public hearing. We would notify 400 ft around it for comments and how does that work? For sure. Sure, the comp plan change would have a hearing um that has its own set of rules to it. And then if it's a resoning or a PUD, that would either way we'd have the neighbors being notified of of a change like that, a density changes. They're going to see cars, extra cars, things like that. That's just easy way of doing it. I guess is there more information we'd want to see before we decide whether to move forward with or what path we'd want to move forward with? parking issue. I think we need a definite feasibility. A lot of homework's been done. You're you're you're going down the path, but that there's a couple gaps. I think we still need to understand the trash collection, the utilities impact. Um, you know, does the water line need to be upgraded through, you know, through laterals stuffs? I'd probably recommend starting with the fire department and getting their take on the building codes and how that you know might change as you add units and I can help you make that connection if Yeah. Yeah. I think before we do zoning amendments that making sure that it's a feasible study first for you so that you're putting the your energy into the right place to Yes.

Please come. Yeah. So, we'll start with the fire and um the windows or whatever we need, we can gather that information and I guess the parking. Um do you also need u like an architectural design or like plan like not nothing too developed but like something more simple at first or how would you like to proceed on that part as well? If if the fire department says gives an okay on that at this body here it would be mainly a site plan site plan we don't dictate building plans you know internally that's not us it might help show the feasibility though so it might might help it may it may help but yeah mainly we're con worried about like Alex said the garbage you know where the where that how that's going to go where those where that's all going to sit parking Um, and yeah, I guess we do have to look into I know there's some rules with the water laterals on multi-units. So, I guess all that stuff needs to be looked into. And it sounds weird that we talk about trash cans of plan commission, but we we do the large buildings, the dumpster crows and things like that. So, it it comes up as stuff that we we review. So, yeah. So, start start we'll follow up with you. Start with the fire and go from there. Yep. Sounds good. Yeah. I'll shoot you guys an email with their contact tomorrow. We can Okay. All right. Perfect. Thank you. Thank you. Appreciate it. Yeah. Appreciate it. All right. We will jump over to number 10, public hearing. The public's opportunity to provide input on proposed amendments to chapter 183 floodplane zoning as recommended by the Wisconsin DNR. This is the public's opportunity to speak. So, there is no one in the room. If there's anyone on Zoom, we'd ask that you um hold your comments to no more than three minutes. So, I'll open the

public hearing. And there's no one here. So, I will close the public hearing um and we can move to number 11, discuss and consider proposed amendments to chapter 183 flood plane zoning. So, we talked a little bit about this. Just gave you a heads up that this was coming. Uh, basically this is um a directive from the DNR to all municipalities to update their flood plane zoning to better reflect current state laws and and new practices since the last round of these changes have come up. Um, obviously water flows downhill. It doesn't respect municipal boundaries. Um, so they kind of want everybody to have the same rules so the impacts are, you know, predictable as as water flows through different places. Uh, so with that in mind, we went through the ordinance, made the changes they recommended, put in the new language they recommended, and we'd recommend approving this. If you approve it, we'll send it to the DNR, make sure they're okay with it, and then bring it to the board. Comments from the commission. Um, Erin, I was looking at the flood plane zoning map then that the DNR, it's FEMA that posted and so that's updated periodically and right now there's like very few areas. I think one was up the property that goes next to McCarthy Park and then another within village limits was like off Ridge Road kind of. That's sort of what I came to like those are the only two areas but as flood planes maps are updated by FEMA it may change in the future and but our ordinance would apply to whatever map FEMA has certified certainly there are flood planes and areas around the village if the village grows into those areas it can come into play so

I'll make a motion to recommend approval of the proposed amendment to chapter 183, the flood land zoning as recommended by the DNR. Second. There's a motion by Alex, second by Don. Any more discussion? All those in favor? I I opposed abstain. Motion carries. So, we are at number 12, discussing consider amending the zoning ordinance related to beekeeping. This went to the village board. the village board had um some uh suggested comments um on additional measures and so it's back to plan commission. Yeah. So I think the concern was just having some mechanism to let neighbors know that this was occurring on an adjacent property, you know, whether that's some kind of registration or conditional use permit or just making sure the neighbors tell each other. Um we'd recommend not going the conditional use permit route. There's a cost related to that for the for the owner. There's a kind of burden on the village. We have to run it through the planning commission and the board and staff. Um I think some kind of simpler registration system would do the same thing. Um what we'd we'd recommend is just a form that lists the regulations including notifying the neighbors. Anyone who wants to do this, we have to sign the form so we know, they know. Um we keep that on file. Um, talking to Lisa, I don't think we would have a fee attached to that now, but if this became popular and a lot of people want to do this, that we could attach a fee to it, just like an license or something like that. But I think this would address what the board was looking for. I'd like to see that being as I'm allergic that I would like to be notified and doesn't need to be a fee, doesn't need to be a conditional use, just keep it simple. I don't know that it's practical is the

only problem. So you know today I want to be so I know if I eron my neighbors and say hey I got bees right but then someone moves and comes back in. So, is it is it is it up is there some sort of does the form acknowledge that obligation that I got to go back and and renotify neighbors or um this year I didn't do bees, next year I do bees, so every year I got to renotify of the bees. There's a there's a practicalness to it. I think that just doesn't sort of falls apart a little bit that I'm not quite sure the mechanics. I like it. I mean, I'm not I I think it's a good idea. There's people allergic. I I don't like bees. You don't sting me. You know, I think the honey bees are awesome though, right? I mean, so to your point, we want them, we need them, but we want some sort of mechanics of notifying it. I'm not sure how practical in the long run ends up being. Stolen has you do it annually. You could do it annually. And so they so they have to notify that. So the mechanics will be every year I send a letter to my adjacent neighbors or 400 feet. What's the We said adjacent. It can be whatever you want it to be, but I think adjacent would I'd make it the same rules as the other one just to keep it simple. Keep it simple. That's Yeah. How many? So 400 feet. Is that what you're saying? 400 feet. How How far do bees roam? Up to five miles. I'm not emailing yet. I'm going to walk around the entire I don't think like that. And like how do you know that those bees belong to that hive? Um, I would say like if you're if we're going to notify um notify the direct neighbors, but I think that also the reason the the barrier the flyaway barrier exists and the other metrics are to prevent the bees from just to being on top of your neighbor. And so I'm also in favor of not having any notification. But if we if we do feel strongly, I would be direct. It gets a little burdensome is

if someone's within 400 feet of one of the apartment buildings or one of the condo buildings, then they have to notify some of the households. But you consider the notification has to go to single family or duplexes or Yeah, there's mechanics. I mean, you could post I mean, if if they have the posting at the front bullet board, boom, I stuck it on the bullet board, right? I mean, there's there's no mechanics to verify. Like, I'm not going to send a certified letter to my neighbor every year, right? I'm going to knock on the door and say, "Hey, by the way, the bees are still here." Okay? You know, and I'm going to say, "I checked the box." Like, there's there's very little mechanics to to to hold them to. But I think it's still a good checkpoint to say, "Hey, are you doing your due diligence? You're kind of bringing bees in here." It's something that would come to us after the fact. If someone complains that their neighbor has a hive and they didn't know about it, then there would be some kind of action we could take about this. I was just going to say there's no real consequences to not I think it's just an effort to try to inform people. I mean, you could pull their I don't know. Also remember that if if one landowner's use causes a a nuisance to another, you know, for instance, if they don't keep the water, you know, a bird bath type water or something. um the bees are going to have to go somewhere to get water and you know the there could be situations where it could be a nuisance but there's causes of action for that too and we can always revisit whether or not it's appropriate. So do we have to update the ordinance for that notification tool or is it something we can soft do and say hey this is this is what we do this is there how do you mechanics for that? I think you can you can require them to get a signature. Sometimes it's hard to find your neighbors, you know. You could you could require them to sign

something each year and send it in that says, "I notified these properties." There's all kinds of different ways you could do it. Um by by because we're doing this in the zoning ordinance though, note that if somebody has bees and we decide this was a bad idea and you change it, it it they'll have a non-confirming use, they'll be able to continue that. Um so you kind of want to get it right, you know, um as opposed to if we did it as a license, then um you could just revoke that and revoke that authority. But I I I've I've done these ordinances just like this in a number of different communities and there seems to be I hear of no problems. It seems like it's a fairly light touch kind of thing. Very very common now that this is every community is kind of wrestling with this. So we all have bees in our yards. Just a question of how many. So you're recommending not worrying about notification or No. No. I think it's it I'm with Alex though that whatever it is should just be it should be clear what somebody needs to do and and whether or not they need to show that they've done it. Those those two things it could be simple as a card that you send in and have the signature or whatever. So yeah, I mean yeah I don't know you need signature of the neighbors but like I'm attesting that I did this. I mean and that's you're we don't need all that. It's not touchcreen. Um, we don't need all that evidence for it. It's just that every year, yeah, I did these things and you swore the oath and keep it simple. Simple as possible. I like simple. It might be nice that they would continue to attest that they're following these restrictions and that they followed the, you know, notifying adjacent property owners. It might even be helpful if we had a letter template that said that we

follow all this guidance. So, you know, maybe to ease the neighbors concern that, you know, they're following precautions to you just download it right off our website and fill this out and sign it in every every springtime. Yeah. Okay. So, I'm hearing form letter for notification. Renew it annually in 400 ft. Is that what we landed on or No, I think I think we just decided to notify the adjacent neighbors and then have them sign a form and send it in annually with like Heidi said basically with a copy of the rules. the fact that they're they're conforming to them, that they're attesting that they they're conforming to them. So that way we don't have to do they just physically have to go and say, "Hey, I'm doing bees again this year." And don't have to do a formal 400 ft and all that. So is that enough staff direction? Um when would this go into effect then? the board village board. Um just knowing too that like you can't move hives because the they're already active. Um that's something that you do in the winter. Um so I don't know if if people do have hives in Cottage Grove that are active right now. We can't ask them to I don't think we should ask them to move it this year um until they go dormant. if they don't want to say that. So if they don't want to comply if they're if they are because I know like the ordinance is going to have other adjustments for having um got back their grandfather for a season or something whatever the mechanics of that is. Yeah. Yeah. Because I think if you move them

they'll abandon their hive and that's probably worse. So yeah. Do we need a motion on that? I guess we still need to discuss and consider to be that's a question for Larry then because if we don't approve it or if we put it in effect in January then anyone who has one now is technically illegal which I don't necessarily know we want that but like Cindy says it might not quite be well if they have them now they're illegal now anyway. Right. Right. Yeah. Yeah. I mean you can just pause your enforcement unless there's a complaint. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. Get people used to it, but they could still conform to Hopefully they'd have fresh, clean water and uh flyaway barrier. Yeah. We could just do a delayed effective date for the notification. Yeah. As part of it, so they wouldn't be in violation. So, so I'll make a motion to approve. Um we we can work it out. Yeah. Larry working it out. Mostly Eron. Yeah. I bring back my motion. We don't need a motion. I say we need a motion. Oh, you do? Yeah. You were going to work it out. My bad. Okay. Uh I make a motion to uh amend the zoning ordinance relating to the beekeeping uh with the staff recommendations and the notes from the discussion today. um requiring the notifications to the neighbors. I'll second that. Second. Motion by Alex, second by Don. All right. Um any more discussion on it? All those in favor? I I opposed abstain. Motion carries. Discuss and consider

changing the June meeting date because Aaron has jury duty. What? Well, I might have duty, but I won't know until the Friday. I would never want you on a jury. You're too logical. Yeah, I've been picked before. Um, yeah. So, I probably won't get picked, but I can't guarantee that. And I may not be here. Um, and we don't have a backup. So, the normal date is the 11th. Yes. And you want to move it to the 18th or whatever date works for as many people as we can get. Okay. The 18th is tech is the library board meeting. I'm happy to we're happy to move that or earlier. Um and then have we have plan commission after? Do we have a lot of stuff do you think? Got some. Yeah, that's the next agenda item. Oh, you know, you could you could always do it. You could approve an alternate date and he could decide as we get closer. Well, we'll need a meeting for sure. Yeah. So it it it's very unlikely the jury duty will last till this late unless he's sequestered on a big trial which would be very unusual. But we can if maybe if you want to just create a a a tenative date in case it Well, I mean as far as like getting notices out in the paper and Oh, that's right. If you're going to have I think it's being prepared. I think we need to just pick a date. So I I'm okay with the 18th. I mean that's me but I don't know everybody else is okay 18th is good okay not good for anybody that's a good way you do a formal motion on that one is that a thing it is discuss and consider go ahead I would make the motion to move the June meeting to June 18th second motion by Heidi second by Alex any more discussion all those in

favor I I opposed. Abstain. Motion carries. Future agenda items. Um so we have a concept presentation for neighborhood off of road um 2001 realy. We've I don't know if any of you other than maybe Don were on the plan commission last time they came through, but they have uh some new plans to ask about. Um there's an indoor sports facility looking at a site up by the Commerce Park. We may have some action items related to that. We'll continue the discussion with uh Toby's Auto and the auto sales. Uh there's one zero outline application and then we'll see if there's more discussion with um the potential forlex on Main Street. Anyone else otherwise number 15 would make a motion to adjurnn. Second motion by Heidi, second by Kim. Um, non-debatable. All those in favor? I I That was pretty quick.