Planning and Zoning Commission - Regular Meeting

All right. Good evening everybody and welcome to the Boisee City Planning and Zoning Commission public hearing. Few things to start out with for tonight's proceedings. Everyone from the public entering the hearing virtually has been automatically muted and cannot speak. As the item you're interested in comes up for discussion, you'll be called upon and unmuted. There is a chat function in Zoom. However, this is not part of the record and should only be used if technical difficulties arise. Our procedures for public hearings begins with a presentation from the planning team. Then we'll go to the applicant and then the representative of the registered neighborhood association followed by questions from the commission. After that, we proceed to public testimony starting with those who are in person, then who signed up on the signup sheet in advance and then anyone else who raises their hand virtually. If you're attending through your telephone, you can type in star9 to raise your hand. Each member of the public is allowed up to 3 minutes for testimony and we are strict with that time as it is limited in code. Finally, the applicant is allowed five minutes for rebuttal after which the hearing will be closed and the commission will deliberate and render a decision. Mr. Chair, you have the floor.

Okay. Thank you, Crystal. Good evening, everybody. We are citizen volunteers appointed by the mayor and approved by the city council. We make final decisions on conditional use permits, variances, and appeals, and recommendations to the city council on subdivisions, reszones, annexations, and code or comprehensive plan amendments. Any decision made tonight may be appealed to the city council, provided that the appeal is filed within 10 days of this hearing. In order to file an appeal, you must have given written or oral testimony tonight's meeting. That's why it's important to give your name and address when you testify tonight. We utilize a consent agenda. This means that if the applicant agrees with the staff report and if there is no public opposition, the item will be placed on the consent agenda. All items that are placed on the consent agenda will be approved with one motion without further public comment. For items not on the consent agenda, we will hold a full public hearing in the order just detailed a few minutes ago with staff, applicant, neighbors association, and then the public testimony. Thank you all for attending tonight. Will the clerk please call the role?

Danley here. Moore here. Schaefer here. Tha here. Torres here. Dome here. Dawings here. Stefonsic here. All present.

All right. Batting a thousand with attendance. Good start. All right. First up is going to be the work session meeting minutes and then the commission meeting minutes from both March 2nd and March 9th. Hopefully everybody's had an opportunity to read and review. Unless there's any objection, I will place all four meeting minutes on the consent agenda. Anything opposed? Anyone opposed? Okay. So, moved. All are on the consent agenda. Um, we have an item number two. Item number one is going to be heard for sure. Um, and item number two, I do have two people signed up for item number two, uh, SGB25-26. This is the preliminary and final plat on More Street. And I just want to confirm um that if both of you are here and if you both are intending to testify in opposition to the item. So I have a I believe it's is it Derek Kerner and is it Gary Madison? I think. Hi. Okay. Um so are you here to let's make sure you're here to testify on this item. Okay. You're the applicant. Are you both the applicants? Well, that makes it much easier. I'm going to guess you're not here to oppose your own project. Okay. So, thank you for clarifying. So, with item number two, again, this is preliminary and final plot at 3210 West Moore Street. Uh, let me just double check. Hold on a second. Is there anybody in chambers or online who was wanting to testify in opposition to this application? Uh 30. I don't see anybody online. Is there any? Oh, never mind.

Hold on just a second, Mr. Chair. No one is raising their hand in chambers or I see I'm sorry. My head was down. Nobody in chambers, right? Who do you see online? No. Oh, did you say nobody? Oh, I'm sorry. I thought you said somebody was that you said there was one online. Okay. So, nobody in chambers, nobody online who wishes to testify in opposition. Okay. Well, with that then we'll go ahead unless opposition. Are you all good with the terms and condition staff report? Great. Okay. With that, we'll go ahead and place item number two on the consent agenda. And with that, that uh is the consent agenda. So, I have a motion to approve. Mr. Chairman, Commissioner Moore,

I move that we approve the consent agenda as constructed. Great. Thank you very much. Is there a second? Second. Commissioner Don. Okay. Uh any discussion? Okay. With that, we have a motion by Commissioner Moore and a second by Commissioner uh Don to approve the commission or the uh consent agenda consisting of the work session and meeting minutes both of the 2nd and the 9th of March, as well as item number two, which is SUB25-26 32 located at 3210 West Moore Street preliminary and final plat. Okay, there's no discussion. Clerk, please call the role. Danley. Hi Moore. I Schaeer. Hi Deha. I Torres I

Dome I Stallings I Stfansk I. All in favor? Motion carries.

Very good. Okay, that takes us to the one and only. You get to go watch the game. Look at that. You're welcome. Tell us how it goes. All right, with that we'll go ahead and open up to item number one. This is CVA26-10 and CUP2603. This is LKV Architects. This is a modification to a conditional use permit for a major expansion as well as a variance request, both located at 4750 South Surprise Way. Mr. Dennis, please take it away. Thank you, Mr. Chair, members of the commission. As you just said, the item before you is a conditional use permit for major expansion of an existing religious institution and an associated expansion of legal non-conforming parking lot located at 4750 uh South Surprise Way on 2.8 acres in an A1 open land very low density zone. A variance request from the vehicle parking location design standards is also included. On your screen is a brief and relevant history of the site which received approval of the existing religious institution in 2001 and was constructed shortly after. In 2007, an off-site gravel parking lot was approved. Then in 2025, a new driveway approach was approved through a design review application in the northeast corner of the site. Now, the applicant you uh seeks to utilize that approved driveway to provide additional access for a new newly requested parking lot expansion. So before you today there are three requests. First to modify the existing cup for the religious institution for its expansion of more than 20%. Then a conditional use permit to expand a legal non-conforming parking lot as it's the principal use on it on the neighboring property which is not an allowed use within the A1 zone as a principal use. Finally, a variance request is included for the parking lot expansion to be surfaced with gravel rather than the typical impermeable surface surfacing that's typically required. As discussed within the project report, the planning team is supportive of the

CUP mod to expand the existing religious institution as it meets the dimensional standards of the development code as well as the applicable findings. The planning team is also supportive of the CU request to expand the existing legal non-conforming off-site parking lot to accommodate the religious institutions expansion as a proposed parking lot meets the dimensional standards applicable finding and the use category of religious institutions do not contain a maximum parking count. Finally, the planning team is not supportive of the variance request for the expanded parking lot to contain gravel surfacing as this does not align with the approval criteria for variance requests. Public comments were received prior to the hearing from nearby neighbors as well as the Southeast Neighborhood Association with a summary of those comments shown on your screen. As discussed within the project report and late correspondence memo, the planning team's recommendations are unchanged for the reason reasons previously stated as well as because surprise way is design is designated as a collector roadway which is anticipated to accommodate multimodal transportation and the proposal's additional parking beyond that codified requirement is anticipated by the applicant to reduce traffic congestion onto Surprise Way. Therefore, the planning team finds a proposal to meet the applicable approval criteria for the requested conditional use permit. In conclusion, the planning team recommends approval of the condition use permit modification and the major expansion of the legal non-conformity and denial of the requested variance. And I will stand for any questions. Okay. Thank you, Mr. Dennis. Is the applicant present? Okay. If you wouldn't mind come on up, state your name and address for the record and you'll have up to 20 minutes. Is 10. Okay. Okay. Great. Thank you.

Thank you, Matt. My name is Brooke Thornton. I'm with LKV Architects. Our office address is 2400 East Riverwalk Drive in Boisee, Idaho, 83706. Good evening, commissioners. With me, I have um part of my team, which is Carlos Dvitas, which is the pastor of Eastwind, and John Breen with Breen Land Design. And I would like to start by letting um Carlos begin. So, I'll turn the time over to him. Okay. Being brief is not a strength of mine, so I'm going to try to just Sir, you got this. I would like to. But I do need your address and it can't be from above. So, I need it to be

our uh our journey to here. I've been at Eastwind for six years. Oh, you need my address? I thought it was a threat. You're an address. No. Yeah. Um 6150. 6150 South Settlement Way. Great. Idaho. May I also ask just to lift the mic up a little bit? You're tall guy. Thank you.

Is that better? 6150 South Settlement Way. Great. Yeah, please go ahead. East Wind uh has been in its current location at 4750 uh since 2004 uh when they established the facility they have now and the space they have now. Um I'm the third pastor uh in the community. I've been there since 2020. Uh and in 2007 they came up against some growth challenges and they I came they started the process of expansion. It didn't really go anywhere and um they've been a healthy community in Southeast Boise from that time on. uh since 2020 we've experienced a lot of growth and we've tried to navigate that and uh manage what that looks like. It's primarily uh if I look at what our um community is comprised of and how we got to this place in 2023 our 2022, excuse me, our leadership determined that we should form a committee to look at uh locations available facilities potentially swapping with the church across the street with different needs we have even purchasing land at the church across the street. And that committee worked for almost two years. They came back in November of 2024 and we determined that the uh the best decision for us as a Southeast Boise church was to stay right there in the land that we owned and do what we could. When I say we're a Southeast Boise church, um 78% of our congregation lives within 5 miles of the church. Uh where our students attend Riverside, Adams, Prowind, White Pine, Roosevelt, East Lois, Timberline. Uh we work with parks and recck to maintain um bowler park that was recently uh put in across the street and we pick up garbage on Amity Way. It's just it's where um the heartbeat of our church is uh in addition to uh kind of walking out. So then how do we how do we be that community in the limited spaces that we have? We look for an architect uh who could partner with us that also had a heart for Southeast Boise. And uh we had brought three architects forward and we uh decided to work with LKV partially. They're located in southeast Boise. But Brooke and her team presented a

compelling vision for a space that could um could could fit in our community and a space that even though it's larger could be uh an asset to our community. Um currently our space is used by Young Men's Service League, Young Women's Service League, National Charity Association, local HOA boards. We try to make our space available for smaller organizations because there's just not any meeting space, much meeting space in Southeast Boisey. Um, so if that led to LKV joining and we started to map out what the um, next step could look like for us to be larger but still have a heartbeat to be southeast. Um, that's what brought us to here. That's probably all you need to hear from me right now.

John Breen Land Design 6661 North Glennwood Street. I think there is a site plan available and I would refer to that just for reference. Yeah. And so maybe just describe what we're proposing here. uh the portion of the existing church building will be removed and then uh ultimately it'll be a net gain of 14,000 square feet uh which is shown in that that gray color u near the building and then uh we're retaining most of the existing parking lot. There's uh and then you can see the the north uh portion of the site uh which uh there's currently uh

Can I pause you real quick? Can you just lift the microphone up a little bit? Just make sure we hear you. Thank you. Yes, sir. Much better.

North portion of the site um uh depicts uh the proposed parking lot expansion. You can see the uh approach on the northwest corner there that we're want to add uh to allow better circulation uh throughout the property. Uh right now from what we understand there's um you know one of the reasons for the for the expansion is is to uh improve uh the overall site circulation uh which you know we've met all the city requirements for that and included uh better pedestrian circulation throughout the site as well as vehicular circulation to make it more safe than what it is right now. as is right now there's only the one access point which is the larger one on the south end. Um and so it's it's a bit of a bottleneck uh with the existing gravel parking on the north side and then also uh the parking that wraps around the building. With the addition of the new approach to the northwest and expanded parking, it will allow facilitate better vehicular circulation all the way around as well as allow for emergency vehicle access on that north side. Um, well, better than what it is right now. That's uh generally what I have there. There's a a canal road on on the northeast uh that is uh you know utilized uh by the public and u and tend to allow that continued access uh through the property. And uh and then there's uh there's a a couple of out buildings souththeast side uh that has already been approved uh

which relocates an existing portable building and improves a site with three new yurt buildings. Um I stand for questions on that. Great.

All right. Next slide, please. As John said, the existing church is approximately 11,100 square ft with a portion of that being demolished about 3,000 ft. You can see it kind of as the heavy dashed line in the darker blue. That's the portion that will be demolished. Um, which would bring the building total to approximately 25,300 ft. The scale is consistent with other churches in southeast Boisey neighborhoods, including facilities within Columbia Village, and reflects the need of a longestablished and growing congregation. From a site planning perspective, the property is more than adequate as indicated in the staff report to accommodate this expansion. The design meets all required setbacks and dimensional standards of the A1 zoning district. Importantly, the height of the building has been carefully controlled. The existing structure is approximately 34 feet 10 in and all portions of the new addition are designed to remain at or below that height in order to minimize visual impact to the adjacent properties. East one has been a part of this neighborhood for over 20 years and places a high value on the neighborhood. Our architectural approach reflects that commitment. Materials such as stucco, stone, and wood are intentionally selected to align with the neighborhood character. The design avoids more industrial materials such as pre-engineered metal buildings or exposed concrete CMU in order to try and create a warm neighborhood and compatible appearance. The church and design team have followed all city requirements. Public notifications were completed in accordance with the code, including mailed notices within the 300 ft and on-site posting of the proper location and with an expanded time frame. In addition, church reached out to nearby HOA groups to invite dialogue and better understand concerns. We have carefully reviewed the staff report and are supportive of the conditions of approval as written and are also willing to proceed without the variance request

and will comply with paving requirements for the parking areas or make any reasonable modifications that you may want to see. Overall, we feel this proposal represents a thoughtful and measured expansion that remains consistent with the zoning requirements, maintains compatibility with the neighborhood, and allows a long-standing community institution to continue to serve the area. At this time, if you have questions, we appreciate you. Okay, great. Thank you much. Is that just to make sure that concludes everything you have? Okay, hold tight. We're going to go to the neighborhood association and then um we'll come back for questioning. So, Eric, I think I saw you on. Yep. Eric, you got 10 minutes. You good with that?

I am very good with that. And it shouldn't shouldn't take that long. Okay. You know the drill. Take it away.

Eric Berg, 1301, South Grant A, uh, representing the Southeast Neighborhood Association. Uh my grandfather was a pastor but uh the the long you know the brevity hit my generation so uh we won't be here for till 10. All right. Uh chair commissioners there's nothing more important to our community when it comes to transportation than to keep people safe. And whether we have folks traveling by foot, bike, or car, the safety of our community as they travel through the county is vital to our transportation system. That's why Southeast Neighborhood Association voted in March to oppose the consideration and approval of CUP 2603 on Surprise Way until a traffic study and better understanding of the increased use can be made available to the public. The applicant is proposing a large increase of over 14,000 ft of church space and a five times increase in parking spaces. From our Sorry, sorry, I have a good kid with me. Um, will increase the from the best understanding that we have, this expansion will increase the capacity of the applicant's building by two to three times. This application not only triggers the 20% major expansion that requires planning and zoning commission approval, but is a step change in size and scope. Whether the parcel is large enough to suffice for the expansion or not, the question that has not been answered is whether the infrastructure surrounding the proposal is. Neighbors and other users of the area have expressed concern regarding traffic, especially at service times, creating difficulty turning onto or off of or otherwise utilizing Surprise Way. Local condo owners that sit just to the northwest of the project have noted difficulty getting out of their development during events at the church. This would only be exacerbated due to

the expansion. However, there have been no traffic studies, data, or any other guidance to the severity of the effect of the surpriseway corridor expansion, nor what would be necessary to mitigate it in any such effect. In fact, the only time we can see that there was consideration of this was in 2001 when this was originally looked at 24 or 25 years ago rather. Surprise is a very unique road in that it has only connections on each end and no other way out of the development besides Amity or US21. For safety, it's important that there be egress to both ends and without understanding if this expansion would effectively block the road at various times during the week. It's not acceptable way to move forward. In addition, Surprise Way is both a collector and a level three bikeway, which will only exacerbate the safety concerns for all users. We agree with the staff report that opposes the variance requested and appreciate that the applicant agrees to go forward without the variance if it is not approved. Especially given the expansion and increased use of the parking lot with the proposal, it is imperative that it be properly paved and maintained. air quality, erosion, and other concerns would only increase at the gravel parking lot with increased use from church expansion. In addition, the variance and conditional use permit should be considered one proposal. The applicant is assuming and the staff report must then assume that the additional parking they are asking for is approved. In this case, the variance was not approved and the applicant chose not to properly build out the parking in that area. The assumptions of extra parking from the staff report would be inaccurate. We encourage the commission to reject the variance and then when the applicant has agreed to properly finish the parking area as it appears they have to take a look at the whole proposal at

that time. Surprise way is a incredibly unique situation due to the lack of egress and the sole pathway for vehicles, bikes and pedestrians in and out of the area. It's imperative that the safety of all users risks mitigations be understood before properly assessing the proposal and approval. For all these reasons, we encourage you to hold this project till such time as a traffic study can be made or rejected at such or at this time. Thank you, and I stand for any questions.

Okay. Thank you, Mr. Bird. All right. With that, we'll go ahead and turn it over to the commission for questions of staff, the applicant, or uh the neighborhood association. Don't mind me. I'm just going to crack a cold one. Any questions? Mr. Stefon stick. Yeah, sure. Go ahead. Be me.

All right. Uh, my question I think is is for the applicant and the design. Um, can you tell me or or come back to the or can you actually slide back to the one um with the path? Yep. This first one right here. Um, so now that there are two exits to the church in this design, there are two crossings of that path, that green belt path, right? Unofficially or officially the green belt path there. Um, what does it look like when service is out on a regular day um for traffic in this area? Is everybody making a right or right, left all over the place? um just get a better sense of that and I'll have some follow-up questions.

Mr. Chairman, uh Mr. Stafford,

um I couldn't say exactly what the split is on the traffic either way. I guess what I could tell you is Surprise Way is a collector road uh per ACHD and so it is designed to move traffic and it connects to Amity which is an arterial on the north and US highway 21 which is a highway on the south and so uh you know we've uh ACD has reviewed this plan um and they have also approved that approach to to the northwest uh to improve the traffic flow. We understand that there is a a challenge right now for uh traffic and that's the reason we are here tonight. One of the reasons we're here tonight to address that challenge. Um so to maybe answer your question a little bit better, uh the plan is to also uh have signage at those approaches to address safety concerns at the crossing. uh when uh traffic comes in and out particularly on Sundays the largest uh traffic flow day as well as having flaggers at those access points to help guide direct traffic. I believe the church does that right now. Pastor might be able to big events they do that

and so uh they they have expressed uh um a plan to continue that effort into the future. uh to help mitigate uh particularly safety concerns with pedestrians. Uh there's also been a mobility plan submitted to the city uh as part of this package that uh addresses the circulation onto the site and and through it.

Okay. Um and I have a question for staff. Um is there any concerns with the sight lines here in the in the design um with the exits? I noticed there's a lot of trees um in between the sidewalk in there and I know as a cyclist or and also considering that this will be Sunday and I know a lot of people are out using the green belt on the weekends um that they'll be kind of cruising on the green belt but then as a car is pulling out it needs to actually sit in the crosswalk to be able to see the there any design considerations there.

Mr. Excuse me, Mr. Chair, Commissioner Stfanche, thank you for the question. The uh there is a design element that is included into the access driveway access and that is a clear vision triangle basically at the point of where the curbs intersect 10 ft into the site and 20 ft along the curb line is the clear vision triangle. So that is the requirement to be uh remain clear and both of those meet that criteria. Can you show me where that clear vision I I just see a couple trees like right at these intersections and at least in this picture and if that's not accurate. Right. Uh, Commissioner Stfanchic, as as you pointed out, um, it does look like there are some trees close to that intersection. Um so so maybe the applicant could could speak a little bit more to that. Although um this is not the site plan that was included within the packet. So um the site plan that was included within the packet um appeared to have met that that uh clear vision triangle. And so it's also important to note point out that the this driveway was approach was actually approved under a a separate design review application. And so the review of that driveway approach the clear vision triangle was taken into account during that design review application.

Mr. Chairman, Commissioner Stam, if I could. Um I guess a couple things to note on on this graphic here. there those radiuses are rather large and so it might be a little deceiving looking at that but the uh there is an actual graphic on the landscape plan that depicts that clear vision triangle that he's referring to. I don't know if that's available but we always put those on our landscape plans just to check for that because that is a requirement that those clear vision triangles are clear.

Yeah. Yeah. I I would expect I'm just trying to look at even some of the ones that are submitted here in our report. I see I see little dots and circles around them which mean trees if I'm reading that correctly and then I see it again here. And to me that it just seems like it's completely in the way of being able to see and be able to make a turn um in those and even from satellite imagery in the in the uh report here too. There's there's plenty of trees on there, so it's hard to look down as you're making a right or a left. One thing of note is the tree uh in the immediate west of the driveway has been tagged for removal for some time and then East Wind recently removed that tree. Okay. Yeah.

I'm going to follow up on that just as the logic here. Your stop bar to the intersection on the entry though is going to be short of the green belt. Correct, Mr. Chairman? Yes. So, has a vision sight triangle been measured from where the stop bar is or has the vision sight triangle been measured from where the intersection is? Do we have any idea? Mr. Chairman, I I guess uh one thing to clarify that that bar that you see there is not the stop bar. That's just the property line,

right? No, I understand that. But you're like you had mentioned, you're going to be putting signage up. We know that the green belt's very active through there. You're going to be stopping vehicles. I know the other exit entrance is is that way, right? So, you're my point is that this the to Commissioner Stefons's point rather with those triangles just making sure that we've accounted for the geometry difference between the front of what would typically be an exit versus actually where it's going to be stopped prior to the green belt section. Uh, Mr. Chair, I'm sorry. I was I was pulling up the clear vision triangle. Was was that a question towards staff?

I It can be if we want to answer it. Um, do can you speak further, Matt, on on where we measured this site triangle from? I know that's often an ACD responsibility, but given the green bill is the uh facility owned and operated by the city of Boisee and we have such a strong presence with street trees, it seems like this is actually going to be more in our neck of the woods in terms of making sure of that.

Yeah, thank you for the question. Uh Mr. Chair, uh members of the commission, uh the uh clear vision triangle is defined by the intersection. Um basically the right triangle of the clear vision triangle is defined by the intersection of the curb curve lines. And so measuring 10 ft internal to there, 20 ft along the curb line provides that clear vision triangle shape. And so um understanding the the point there although that is how the clear vision triangle is is defined and measured. Little sticky wicked there. Okay, other questions.

Mr. Chairman on that clear vision triangle could add a little bit to that. If you look at that graphic I guess to to better understand it, look at those radiuses. Those are 30 foot radiuses. And so, um, if you extend the face of the curb from each, uh, you're you're going to have a a 30 foot clear vision triangle just by happen stance. Okay. Based on those radiuses. Okay. Very good. Thank you. Did you have something?

Yeah. Just real quick, it's on the same top same line of questioning. So, John, is there I notice on the So, the new approach, the new driveway, we've got crosswalk markings shown. Is there anything at the existing driveway right now? Any kind of markings or signage to stop traffic one way or the other? Vehicle traffic or traffic on the green belt? I think there's nothing. There's a stop sign coming out of the parking lot. Okay, that's it. That's it. Yes.

Thanks. One thing we have talked about uh Mr. Chairman, Commissioner Schaefer is uh adding signage at along the green belt. Um so well along that pathway similar to is on what is at the uh Boyisey City green belt and these sorts of locations. They have stop signs specifically for pedestrian use or address to the pedestrians. That make sense?

Yeah. Um you you both mentioned earlier the flaggers. Can you just explain how how that process usually works? What what are flaggers doing um here during these uh when service gets out? Mr. Chair, if I may. Oh. Um on the screen now is the the clear vision triangle uh

diagram from earlier. And so it's important to note also at the time that this was reviewed under a design review application, it was um associated with the community garden and not necessarily the CUP expansion parking lot. So um that that is just to contextualize part of that design review application and what was approved with it. So you can see that the uh intersection of where those curbs would would intersect if they kept going is where the the measurement starts from the right angle 10 ft internal to the side 20 ft along the curb line. Um this diagram shows that those trees are outside of the the um clear vision triangle and I apologize for interrupting.

Good point. Thank you Mr. Stonic. I think you were. Yeah, I want to hear about kind of their flag question. Yeah, you can just kind of talk through it, I think, for folks in the room here. Yeah,

it's it's a great question. A as we're um even in the space we're in, as we've been growing, we're starting to have to look more seriously at our traffic, at pedestrians. Um it's all volunteer um run as far as we are. So, if you think flagging done really well is a boy state game, um that's not what we are talking about. We're talking about some volunteers in orange vests um like this uh out at the crosswalks stopping cars making sure pedestrians can come across um and then uh encouraging the cars to go forward after that. It's pretty I mean during the hours of of 9 to noon or to 1 when we currently gather there is pedestrian traffic and so it's important that we're prepared for that. Yeah. Okay. Thank you

Mr. Chair. Uh, Commissioner Stallings, just to follow up on that with the flaggers. You said that it it's weekly or it's only for large events. Can you give us a an idea of the cadence of when you it's it's at the iteration stage. We've been growing a lot and we're learning what we have to start to new steps to take to be a better neighborhood uh better community partner. So, with this expansion, this would be uh call it a ministry. That's like a volunteer program. A volunteer program that would be really critical to what we do during our operating hours on Sundays. Yeah. But if you came if you came now it's pretty and Easter was different but um it's it's a one exit people figure it out we have to move beyond that. Yeah

Mr. Chair just to follow up on what everybody's asking about. Commissioner Torres my question is for the applicant. So based on what you just said about the flaggers what happens if you don't have those volunteers? That'd be my first question. And the second question is, are they prioritizing the pedestrian traffic at all times or is it going to be taking turns? What like how is the interaction going to be managed as far as that those crosswalks go? Um I'll let you answer.

Commissioner Torres. Um, at this point, I think that, like we said, we're kind of in the um, learning and growing process, but I envision that we will for sure add the stop signs at that location so that at least people are more aware of the driveways. And then potentially if there um isn't volunteers, I guess my suggestion at this time would be that similar to the community center that they have for Surprise Valley, there are the um, stands that have the flags that you could take back and forth. um similar to like a lot of the crosswalks in you know smaller um resort towns and things like that that is an option. We are willing to definitely hear suggestions and um discuss what that looks like moving forward.

Commissioner Schaer, what is the for the applicant team? What's like what's the what's the weekly schedule for you guys? Uh, currently we hold three services on Sundays. Um, I get this wrong sometimes. I shouldn't, but I'm going to say I'm going to say um 9:00, 10:30, and noon is our current schedule. We've had to try to adjust and move times around, but um uh our first two services um are relatively full. Our third services generally a third service at an unidal time is about a third of the attendance of a of an ideal time service. That's what we experience. Can you repeat those times?

Yeah. 9:00, 10:30, and noon. Uh we have changed times though. So those are not our uh set in stone times. We've had to adapt and adjust. Uh we look at the the church across the street, Eagle Christian. We did some service time changes and now we overlap. Uh but we don't have the same service lengths. So, uh, our traffic doesn't, uh, exiting traffic is not at the same time. So, we have a good relationship with them to try to, you know, talk through that and sync that up.

Um, and then midweek we have, uh, student programs. Uh, Tuesday nights we have high school program that runs in the evening from about 6:00 to 8:30. Uh, so there'll be cars on campus till about 9:00. And then Wednesdays we have fourth grade through 8th grade uh, programs. Uh, and those run from 6:30 to 8:30. Um, there are other smaller, there's no other evening programs. Um there's occasional Bible studies. Uh there's some daytime activities we have, but those tend to be uh no more than than 15 people uh 20 people. Yeah. And to that line of u thank you for that. Your like your Tuesday and Wednesday evening activities, how how large of a groups are we?

Pretty vibrant. We'll you'll see about uh 80 to 100 middle school students. Um 50 to 60 high school students. um the middle school school students uh it's a drop pick off pickup drop off environment. Uh so we have a pretty detailed uh safety plan in the parking lot for that. You have kids and cars and similar to what you might get at school. Um and then our high school program largely students drive themselves. Right. Okay. Thanks, Mr. Chair. Uh Commissioner Torres, another followup um also for you. So, if you want to stay up,

um, talking about those after school or and evening events, what kind of lighting is there at these exits? Um, since there is going to be that potential risky intersection between vehicles exiting the parking lot and, you know, pedestrians and cyclists on the green belt.

Yeah. Um, the parking lots is is well lit. We just updated the parking lot lighting and had to work through some hooding with the neighbors because to make sure the lights were properly placed. Um, and we have a large light right at the entrance that that there's a cross there. So, it shines on the cross, but it's a high lumen light to uh to give light. We looked at putting uh also some solar down lights, but it's not our it's not our property. And um so we moved away the the exit area is not our property. It's green belt and um I guess city land. So, we haven't acted further on that. Um but the current area is well lit. So, just to clarify, there's lighting at the entrance, but at the proposed exit, the the new the second exit or entry, I mean, it's an exit. There's not any lighting there currently. There's that area is not used right now. Okay.

Yeah, that's all in concept. That's all in concept for us. So, yeah. Other questions, Mr. Chair? Commissioner Mark, um, different topic. So, uh, there's a letter from Boise Fire and mostly just deals with hydrant distances, things like that. I think did they have any concerns about limiting access because of the one street or anything like that. The Boise Fire mentioned any concerns about access.

Mr. Chair, Commissioner Moore, thank you for the question. The agency comments received from uh Boise Fire Department didn't mention any concerns that you just asked about. Uh basically uh stated that the like you said the fire hydrant distances. has also uh alluded to the fact that the site was navigable for their for their service vehicles. Okay. So, they had no no concerns that they've indicated about access to the adjacent neighborhood or anything like that. Mr. Chair, Commissioner Moore, that's correct.

And then um a question for I think the applicant. So, you mentioned that church provides community spaces. Would that increase with this new with this expansion? Would you increase kind of some of the offerings and would this also be able to be used for community space? Yeah. Um not as part of our our strategy like as like a rental space. Um we don't charge for the use of the space, right? Um so uh we continue to see it as an available meeting space for smaller community organizations. Okay. Um the auditorium space, it's currently not in our plans that that would be available, but other spaces in the church would. Okay. Mr. Sure.

So, just to clarify, this wouldn't alter the availability. It would still be available to your small organizations and things like that. Well, we hope so. Yeah, that's that's that's kind of the heartbeat of the place. So, well, thank you, Mr. Sher. Commissioner Commissioner S, I have a question for staff. Um, so we've heard from the neighborhood association about the need for a traffic report. We also um read through or received several comments of which traffic was a concern. Can you speak to um when a traffic report is required under these conditions?

Mr. Chair, Commissioner Sehal, thank you for the question. Uh typically ACD will be the deciding factor about whether a TIS traffic impact study will be required. uh agency comments received from ACHD basically just stated condition uh standard conditions of approval and I know typically that they're the trigger for uh a TIS study or traffic generation um count is over a change of use. So that's likely why that wasn't included in the ACD agency comments.

Thank you chair. Commissioner Sea, I'll just add on to that also with uh square footages uh in excess of 10 10,000 and then large amounts of residential units as usually will trigger it as well. Chair M commissioner Stefon, sorry, this just kind of came to my mind at the past comments and questions. Um uh so for staff um when does uh our pathway uh we have a pathway master plan plan here for the city. When does that come into effect in any of this review? And I think I might know the answer but I want to ask anyways. Um since obviously there's the green bell pathway here. Um we don't have any comments from them in in this packet.

That's correct. Mr. Chair, uh Commissioner Safonic with the site being fully improved with the multi-use pathway. uh there wasn't uh you know a pathways agency comment wasn't applicable the site's uh fully improved and is that the only trigger for when pathways the pathway manager needs to comment or is uh if new paths are developed

Mr. Mr. Chair, Commissioner Safonic, that's that's typical when when there's uh an easement or a reservation for a pathway that hasn't yet been constructed. That's typically when we will receive the agency comments or if the pathway is part of the proposal. Um that that would be the specifications would be included with within those comments. So with the with it being fully improved currently there was um you know no trigger for that. Okay. That comment.

So only when it's new, not if it's biseected. So if they're if anyone's cutting across the path that doesn't trigger pathways to comment. Uh Mr. Chair, Commissioner Stfanche, uh another good point is that the the driveway approach was approved through that separate design review application. So that would have been the the application that the pathways program would have commented on. Okay, cool. Thanks, Mr. Chair. Commissioner Schaefer,

we do right in. I think we may need to circle back and just make sure we understand. You guys are striking the variance request from your application. Is that generally is that what I understood from your presentation, Brooke? That is correct. We're um more than happy to put that in paving if that is the desire. Okay. So, you worked out because Idaho Power is the land owner there. You've worked out there was some Yes. commentary about Idaho Power having some concerns about paving on their property. You've obviously worked that out with Correct. We've worked that with them and discussed those options with them and they're um amiable to letting us pave that. Okay. All right. Thank you. Sorry. Sure. We've had Idaho Power request lots of paving in front of us before.

I'm going to follow up on that though. I I know that we as a city in some of our parks, we've toyed with pvious concrete, pvious asphalt treatments so that it drains and and stuff like that. I'm curious, Matt, if you can shed any light on that and and it's a different it's a public that's a public lot versus a private lot, but I'm just curious what happened to that thought. Did it do we have any idea why that might not be an option here?

Um, excuse me, Commissioner, Mr. Chair. Um, thank you for the question. that is still an option. Although, you know, typically with staff recommendations, we will recommend the most compliant with code. Um, it is still available and at the discretion of the commission if a modified condition of approval to allow uh a varied type of impermeable surface, right, would would be appropriate. Gosh, if we had a landscape architect up here. All right, other questions. Mr. Mr. Chair, I just thought of one more question. Commissioner Torres,

um at the beginning you mentioned that this is for the applicant. I'm sorry. You mentioned that um I don't remember what number you said, but a majority of your uh parishioners come from within 5 miles of the church. Um do you know what the breakdown is as far as what percentage of them is vehicle traffic versus coming by bicycle, on foot, potentially other means? The short answer is outside of anecdotal observations I don't. Mr. Chair, Mr. Stallings,

uh followup to that, is there any encouragement to this is a lot of parking. I mean, I know you need you, you know, it's going to be used on those days. It's unfortunate that it doesn't seem like it'll be used very often otherwise. Is there any encouragement to your congregation to find other means or you know to to alleviate some of that?

Uh there is I would say it's not highly effective. We you know winter is not favorable. Um we're only really close to the Surprise Valley community and then the neighbor the homestead uh community and I don't know if it's a HOA the other one. So most of the folks are going to come from down Amity Road or out up into Boise Avenue. So, but we do encourage uh so folks walk folks bike when the weather's good, walk through the field, come down from Columbia Village down that uh very steep path that was put in above Boulder Park. Um but I don't think it's an effective strategy to really alleviate the traffic, especially with our weather. I've got some questions. Okay. So, first and foremost, let's just make sure traffic studies not required by ACD.

Mr. Chair, that's correct. Okay, Matt, if you can go to the site, one of the site plans that shows both of the uh entrance exits points. I'm trying to think the show the one that I saw that showed what I caught. Anyway, this is the one that has the blue lines. It has the teal color lines on the map that's inset While he's pulling that up, I'm going to ask another question of an applicant. So, you have um a number of parking stalls now, obviously, and it looks like what what you're looking for, our code requires, I think it was 71, if I recall, parking stalls, but you're requesting to go well over that. So you have a max capacity at least proposed now of 223 parking stalls. Is that correct,

Mr. Chair? That um is correct. Existing parking on the site with what they're using is kind of you see that kidneyshaped um piece on Idaho Powerland. There are 155 spots currently. Okay. So going to the 223 is I think roughly 68 additional parking lot spices. So with this addition

fair to say when if our code required 71 but you are calculating you need anotherund and whatever it is 120 something or whatever it is. Is that fair to say then that you've done the math in your lot and based on what you're proposing and thinking you're going to have in terms of demand that 220ish stalls are going to be used three times on Sundays. That is correct. Yes.

Okay. So then we have I want to get back to the sort of the ingress egress if you will. So service is an hour. Is that right? Okay. So at 10:00 approximately 220 vehicles are going to be leaving that lot going in the two different directions. They can only go two different directions. And you have another service that begins at 10:30. What time do people usually start arriving for your 10:30 service? Roughly considering not not not considering I don't want to be facitious but like 10:31 or so but um

the uh our current timing is also due to our size restraints within our our facility. We would like to stretch our services further further apart. um we would anticipate uh being at two services for quite a long time and again that third service is a uh generally a third capacity service um and churches in the valley uh like ours that have have to go to a third service. Is it fair to say that at 9 o or I'm sorry 10:00 when service is over with that give or take 15 20 minutes is when the first morning congregation leaves and then 15 minutes before is when the next congregation starts to arrive. Um yeah, there's probably a little more of a gap, but it's it's pretty small.

Maybe it's 10 minute intervals out 10 minutes. It takes it takes about uh 12 10 to 12 minutes for our lot to clear after a service right now. So, you have 440 vehicles that are going out and coming in in a matter of about 20 minutes. And that's twice. Is that accurate? Because you're I know you said your 10 you're you're working on your 12:00. I know you're trying to get your numbers up there, right? But your 12:00 isn't quite as many, but does it sound right? That's with the new parking numbers. Yes.

Yeah. Um that's accurate. Right now we have 300 and um you know about 300 cars coming and going in that same time frame out of the one egress 10 minutes. Okay, thank you. You have that map up. Can you scroll up a little bit to the other northwest? That northwest has a crosswalk striped across it. The other one does not. And I'm wondering why. So, if you scroll down, I understand that that is an existing one and the other one is new. But if our logic is that one has already been granted, it was granted 20 years ago and we're putting in a pedestrian crosswalk for the green belt, why would we not require the same of this one?

Mr. Chairman, I agree in that we should have a crosswalk there. Um, I'll um I think I missed that. Okay. Because it's an existing access point. So we we're not really we're not doing any work there. So we we we didn't show striping there. Okay. But that would that that's so we haven't quite got that far either. We're preliminary plans right now as far goes. So uh I plan to add crosswalk there. Okay. Appreciate your your honesty and cander there. So Matt, I'm going to go. Do you have anything to add? I do, Mr. Chair. Uh, it is totally within the scope of the planning and zoning commission to include that as a condition of approval.

Okay. Can you then I'm going to make you drive again. Can you go back to the triangle one you just had up?

Oh, I got tree questions. Don't you worry about it. This is a real efficient system we've got up here.

Mr. Chair can always ask for certain maps to be included in beforehand. Fine, I'll take that one. Okay. While he's pulling that up, I I think you're going to know where I'm going with this because on that same site triangle, what I think I saw were truncated domes for ADA. It looked like they were striped across the new one, but again, they're not across the old one. So, there it is.

Mr. chairman. Yes, that would be I don't know if the existing ones have truncated domes or not, but they we certainly need to include that. That would be part of the required improvements. Great. Okay. Um the tree issue. Um I I read somewhere in here decent size application the and you you the applicant already mentioned one of these trees is already tagged and is to be uh to be taken out. Mr. Chairman, I thought I read that there's a total of three trees that are proposed to be eliminated. Maybe one of them is that one. Can you speak to that,

Mr. Chairman? Yes. the one tree that has already been removed and that'd be the would be the one on the right. Okay. So, you're telling me it's two trees. One was maybe already tagged for removal, but because of the driveway, the other one is to be removed. Is that accurate? No. Can you clarify me, Mr. Chairman? The the one has been removed. One has already been removed. Has already been removed. Okay. and not because of anything having to do with the application. Correct. Or I can I can speak to that. Um

yeah, that tree has been a topic of discussion for removal for Surprise Valley, which manages the trees. I think we have their their board here, but we agreed to pay the cost of it and remove it. Okay. um because it's was mutually beneficial for both of what what needed to be done and then also was necessary for our driveway. Okay. So, one has already been removed. There's another one that is tagged to be removed. No, I need clarity. I'm sorry, Mr. M. May I please may I straighten out the monkey? There there there are three trees in the drawings that are slated to be removed, but they're within the footprint of the building expansion. It's not within the green belt section. It's just within the

but I mean I think the discussion about visibility the driveways is important. I just want to well I and I know that Surprise Valley has had a lot of issues with the trees and there's a lot of the trees but it's also an incredibly important element of Surprise Valley and so trying to be aware of these trees are under the authority of the HOA right because it is in within their landscape buffer and so I believe it's the HOA who has the the authority over these trees and probably an agreement with ACD We

um Mr. Chair, my understanding is that the trees are located within the ride ofway uh according to our GIS map. Um I'm not sure of any agreements that that could have gone on. As far as I'm aware, the the trees are located within the public rideway. Okay, we'll come back to that one. May maybe I can add to that a little bit, but uh uh typically the the rightway strip or the planter strip. Uh you know, oftentimes that's part of a common area. So it may be that that's uh under HOA. Yeah. Review.

I know somewhere in there because I remember about four years ago there was a number of trees that were removed especially towards the Amity side and I don't know why. I don't know the reason. Sometimes it just happens. But um remember that being kind of an issue. Mr. Chair, often times the although the trees are located within the public right ofway, there is an easement for the irrigation system that's often managed by the HOA. So that could be the case here. Okay. Very good. The trees would still be under community forestry if they are in the right way.

Okay. My last question on with regard to the with the traffic issue, you've not you're not required to do a traffic study, but we know that surprise way is is much more heavily used during summer because of folks getting up to Lucky Peak or going up to Idaho City and that kind of thing. Um and and the green belt traffic increases, you know, quite a bit as well during summer months. So there's some fluctuation that's happening naturally, you know, seasonality. Now we have, you know, the proposal for for couple hundred cars, you know, in a 10-minute period of time. You you mentioned these the flagger situation and that they're they're only there now for bigger events. I'm guessing Easter was probably one of them, but they're not trained. It's a volunteer basis, right? Okay. That's just the wheels spinning a little bit. Okay. Any other questions of the commission? Oh, I know that look thinking.

Well, no, Mr. Chair, I think I just I think we should be careful with terminology here because I don't think I think green belt is a is a misnomer here, right? This is not part of the green belt system. Is it? It is absolutely part of the detach pathway. No, it's part of the green belt. It's on the formal maps. Yeah. It connects all the way up to I just want to be careful of that. Right. Just there were there's a parking ride actually up at the top by Highway 21. Okay. My mistake. My mistake. That's okay. Yeah. Um but I guess to that point too, there's no bike lane in the roadway. Is there a bike lane in the roadway too? Yeah. Bike lane in the roadway and a detached pathway. Yep.

Both. And it was and Surprise Way was also subject of the crosswalk issue we had with ACD a few years ago where they had the textured crosswalks and they removed I think it was three of them. Okay. There's also Yeah, there's a designated hiking path on the other side as well and then there's a park and Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. Okay. One last chance, Mr. Chair. Oh, Mr. Stone.

Um, question for the applicant. You know, to the chairman's point, I had the same thought about training on these flaggers, but um either way, I really appreciate that solution on these larger events. Would the applicant be willing to agree to have flaggers through these busy summer months? I mean, that the the two early um service times are also right when you'd be using that pathway, especially when the heat warms up in the summer. Is that something you guys would be amenable to? I think if we as we've listened to we had the opportunity to meet with the Surprise Valley HOA board or a few members of it and just listen to the concerns that were coming up and um I think absolutely I might say amenable again it's a volunteer um uh volunteer uh driven run uh opportunity and it does require training um and we're kind of moving from like I don't know cottage industry just a church in a neighborhood to realizing that we have to begin to provide better service for safety And this would be one of those ways. Um it's it's pretty there's a lot of churches that do this and they do it well. So we don't have to invent it. We just have to learn and and work on implementing.

Just to clarify on that, is that something you'd be open to, but it would just be as you know the volunteers are able or is it something you could commit to weekly for a certain time frame this season?

I mean I I can speak here. I love the idea and I'd like to see us provide it. Um, it's volunteer run, so if I don't have volunteers, we have to go to the drawing board and figure out what that looks like, how we work it out. Um, uh, but I think it's the right step for us, and I'd like to see it happen. Okay, any other questions over this way? We're all good over here. Okay, very good. All right, thank you. Uh, stand by. We're going to go ahead and um conclude the questions of the commission and we're going to open this up now to public testimony, but I wonder if we should take a quick five before we do that bathroom and settle in. I think I'm going to go ahead and do that. So, let's take five minutes and then we'll come back and we'll start public testimony.

If we can go come back and reconvene, we'll get this party started. Okay. So, just to refresh a little bit, we've got three actual elements to this. And so, we have a uh an expansion of legal non-conforming use with the parking lot. we have the expansion um of the actual buildings themselves and then we have the variance requests. So just a little bit of level set there. Um as we get into this there's a fair amount of people who've signed up and if you have not signed up don't worry about it. We'll be uh making sure everybody has an opportunity should they want to testify uh at the end. And then there are also some folks online who may want to testify as well. Here's the couple things that I would ask of everybody is one, everybody will have three minutes. Same everybody across the board. Um I need you to start off with if you wouldn't mind please your name and your address and then go for it. My one last request is that um if you have something that you wanted to say but you feel like three or four people ahead of you have already said kind of the same thing, you do not need to testify just because your name's on the list. You can say I'm good, you know. Um, so just as a just as a clarity there, I'll also um ask the first few names to come up and just occupy these front seats so that we can kind of keep moving. All right. All right. With that, uh, the first few folks I have on the list here are John Dresser, Matt Price, and Sean, I think it's Riley. Hi. Can I go ahead?

Yep. Address and go for it.

Yeah, Mr. Chairman and planning commissioners. Um, my name is John Dresser, 2930 South Reeb Place in Boise. I'll keep my comments very brief. I know there's a lot of interest in talking and so like I said, I'll try to be brief. Before I start, I just want to mention that in a previous life, long ago, when I lived in the Seattle area, I served for several years on the planning commission. And so, I very much appreciate your work. It's not always high-profile, but very important. And thank you for your service to our city. It's been my privilege for the past four years to be the chair of the board at Eastwing Community Church. Um, and I just want to leave you with one overarching message, and that is we have taken a long time and what we believe is great care in thinking through this renovation project. It has started more than three years ago. We had a futures committee set up to explore all the possibilities before us as to how do we deal with our uh very exciting and growing church. We were running out of room and it was a long process that we have taken a long time to get to this point. One of our core beliefs as a church is to love our neighbor and we have done our best to live this out as we have designed this building. We think we've done it in a way that will seamlessly fit into the neighborhood that we all love and that many of us call home. We believe firmly that when this project is completed, our neighbors will be pleased with the result given the care we have taken in designing and thinking it through. And if I could just add one final comment to the earlier traffic discussion, in the seven years our family has attended Eastwind, we drive to the church, I have not experienced more than n a 90 second delay at and and only on a couple of occasions at the peak time in waiting to turn into the parking lot. My second hat at Eastwind is one of the chief parking

lot volunteers. So I speak with some uh authority on the subject. We have made many changes to the parking lot itself such that people can go out going right or left and it has greatly amilarated the issues that you're talking about and I would just add that with the addition of the second egress I think it will be have an even smaller impact on traffic or delays for people in the neighborhood. So, I respectfully ask for your support for this project that we have been working on for years and firmly believe we'll be will be an overwhelmingly positive addition to our neighborhood. Thanks again for your time and consideration.

Okay. Thank you very much for being here. Okay. Matt Price, Sean Riley, and then Joe uh Griggsby.

Okay. Mr. Chairman, commissioners, I'm Matt Price, 3255 Raindrop Drive, Boyce, Idaho. Um, I've been at Eastwood Church for about 20 years and I first started going and it wasn't very busy. So, we didn't have a problem with the growth, but over the 20 years, a lot of people have joined the church, which which is a good problem. But, um, you know, it's it's packed. The the services are packed, the parking, we could use a little more parking, and so that gets us to where we are today. Um, when I'm not a volunteer at East One Church, I'm I play civil engineer in real life and I do subdivisions and stuff and I look at the drainage and I look at site triangles and and uh crosswalks and all that too. Um, as I hear about the congestion on the on the pathway and that it's I mean I think you kind of alluded to it, Commissioner Schaefer, the the pathway is I mean it might be labeled as green belt but it is way less than that. I mean, volumewise, I'm a bike rider and my kids are bike riders and um they grew up going to we we rode a few times. We should have rode more, but we just didn't. Um I don't know how that happened. Um so we did drive way too much to the church, but we've never felt in danger crossing there and and I don't think anybody else does at this point. I mean, you you go down to Amity and that's not exactly the best place to ride in there. I mean, they're doing improvements right now in AMD and it's going to be wonderful. But even with that, it's just a very low volume road, low volume pathway. Um, as far as the second access, that's good for fire, too. The fire department's excited about that. As someone mentioned, um, Surprise Valley has one exit onto AMD and one onto 20 21, Highway 21, which you have to have. You have to have two access

points. And um the fire department gets excited about that, having that for the church and that was a big uh a big thing for them. They got excited about that. So anyway, I and to your point about the drainage, it is, you know, we we could look at the pavers and some of that, there's there is um low groundwater out there, so we can do the seepage beds. We can do something to accommodate that. the sight triangles that that area it's hard to depict that. I mean, maybe on Google Earth you could see it, but it is not hard to see. Part of it because it's a curve and part of it's because the trees all have a diameter of about 6 in. There's no hills in there. It's um you can see pretty well out of those two areas. So, anyway, I probably talked too long. So, thank you guys.

Thanks, sir. Okay. Sean Riley, Joe Griggsby, and then Emily Deidis or Devitis.

My name is Sean Riley. I live at 5763 Plantation Way in Boise. Got three quick points, but first, thank you for your service. Thank you for what you're doing here. Um, as I just said, I live in Plantation Way with the River Club. The thoughtfulness you've had about growth has been excellent in very difficult times. Um, this is an adapt an adaptation. It is not expansion of something new. Eastwood is responding to the growth that has already happened. The cup and the CVA that you see before us does not change the church's use or the footprint. It allows for the campus to be responsible in serving the reality of the neighborhood. And you heard it's about 75% of the immediate neighborhood. The community grew around Eastwood and the request recognizes that reality. Number two, Eastwood is a local neighborhood-based church choosing the least impact option. As you've heard, they've looked at other things. They want to staying put to keep families connected locally. And when I say locally, in the southeast and walkable communities, the expansion is a modest and primary support. the children and the youth programs already served in the neighborhood which is much needed in this area which is about 95% full. You guys probably know the stats on that better than I do and there you've heard they've exhausted alternatives of the moving anywhere. This keeps activity local instead of displacing it around the city. I think that's really big and important point here. My last point here is that it smart planning supports families and stabilizes the neighborhood. Community institutions need room to serve the people already here. Growth brings families. Families need services to close to home. Churches function like any other civic anchors.

They support youth, reduce isolation, and strengthen neighborhood ties. Denying the cup or CVA doesn't reduce demand. It pushes it out to other places. Approving it supports orderly growth within an existing footprint. Thank you for listening to me. Its growth is inable inevitable as we all know. Planning for it well for the best outcome like you've done before is the same here. Thank you. Thank you, sir. Okay. Joe Griggsby, Emily Dvitis, I think, and then Deborah Mcadden.

Mr. Chairman, Planning Commissioners, uh, thank you for your time. Good evening. My name is Joe Griggsby, uh, 2317 East Danzy Drive, Boise, Idaho. I moved to Boise about a year and a half ago, and a few months into that, I uh, I came into uh, discovered East Wing Community Church. Um, before that, that was the first time I really felt truly connected to this community whatsoever. My family followed a few months later and they've express expressed the same connection point. Over the past year, I've been involved at on the worship team in both the main service and uh youth events and and retreats, etc. So, being involved at that level, I'm able to see um gives me a clear picture of of how active the church already is, not just on Sundays, but throughout the whole week for the the families, youth, and those in need. Um, I'm here to support the proposed expansion because Eastwind is already operating at capacity. Um, the way I see it, this plan really isn't a way to get bigger, but to responsibly uh support the the growth that they're that they're already having um both in the building and throughout the the community. Um, I appreciate the considerations and and the seriousness that they take like traffic and noise and being uh, you know, a good neighbor there, that they're being thoughtfully addressed because that attention reflects the understanding that growth actually um, uh, comes with responsibilities and that what truly matters is being a good neighbor in this regard. So, I thank you for your time and for the care that you put into serving the city of Boise.

Thank you very much, sir. Okay. Uh, Emily, followed by Deborah McFaden, I think it is, and then Brett Robinson.

Hi there, Emily Dvitas, 6150 South Settlement Way. So, I live in Surprise Valley. I'm also married to the pastor, so this is both of our neighborhood. These are also our neighbors, some for, some against. And, um, it's a tough spot to be. I don't really want to be up there speaking because it's it's kind of an odd spot to be in. But, um, I just want to speak to the fact that we love our neighborhood. We um care deeply about the youth in our neighborhood, both um their well-being and and being part of a a vibrant um church and community, but also having the opportunity um to be safe when they come. And so we take that really seriously. Um I think that we really acknowledge there's a a lot of um growth areas to um how can we do a better job as people across the green belt? How can we flag better? What I can say as a volunteer on Tuesday nights when we've got, you know, 75 junior hires arriving and all those fourth and fifth graders, we have an army of adults outside greeting those kids at the door directing traffic. That's all within the parking lot. That's that's an evening thing. It's not when the green belt is being used as much. But it's something we take really seriously. And so I know it's um tricky to commit in a moment like what if we don't get volunteers. I can say it's the culture of our church to really care about our community. So, um I'll send the signup sheet around this room, but um I know we I I think we're we're trying to walk both sides of that line going we can't promise something. At the same time, it's it's the heartbeat and culture of our church to be um taking care of our youth and their safety. So, thank you.

Thank you very much, ma'am. Okay, Deborah. Then Brett Robinson and then uh Alexis Climpmple. Hi.

Hello, Deborah McFaden, 3075 East Starview Drive in Boise, 83712. Um, just to parrot off of what's been said, um, Eastwind is a church that I've attended with my family for six years, but I've I've had Eastwind touch the different areas that I serve in the community. So, as a PTO president at Adams Elementary and a board member for the Warm Springs Care Farm, as well as a leader of a mom group, um, Mothers of Preschoolers, Eastwin has not only supported all of these things, but created opportunities for others to support. And once a year, we do a project where we go out into the city and we partner with the city to put mulch down in the parks or to repaint the fences at the cemetery. Um, we really try to be good neighbors. It's the culture that's been set by our pastor. It's it's something that we take seriously and um it's not just what the pastor says, it's what the congregation does. So, um we'll very much take it seriously. Um I'm on the board as well. So, we will find people to fill those positions that are in need and um I truly believe it's a place that people will enjoy serving.

Thank you very much. Okay. Uh Brett Robinson, Alexis Climpmple, and then I believe Jack Lan Lam.

Good evening and uh thank you for your service. My name is Brett Robinson and I live at 5963 South Skooner Place in Surprise Valley and I have the unique uh position of living in Surprise Valley, attending uh Eastwind Community Church, having been on the board at the uh church for about four years. I just came off about six months ago. and then having the uh the dubious make that distinct honor of uh leading our futures committee for two years. And during that time, like has been said, we looked at a multitude of options uh that you know trying to be caring and conscientious of our neighborhood and of all the neighbors um from and we looked at buying piece of land elsewhere and moving and the overwhelming conclusion was to stay where we are and and do uh something that's sensible um to grow where we are. I think I think it's important to point out like the southeast side of town from sports arenas and you know basketball courts etc to other services is is under service compared to other parts of the city and we've got Micron obviously expanding which creates is creating even more growth on our side of town. So I think having uh a church and other services um that provide um you know meaningful opportunities for connection is really important. So with all that, I think the east wind expansion would be a huge win for Boise with massive upside. Um I think it's also critical to point out when you look at statistics around the country, regular church attendance is in decline and we are growing at doubledigit clips um on an annualized basis and that is in large part because of uh our five pillars which are available to anyone that would want ever want to come to our church. And those pillars um are Sunday experience, which is a lot of what we're talking about, our life groups, our youth um and our

youth programming, which you know, we're serving hundreds of kids on a weekly basis, and then service both inside and outside of our church. So, it it's critical to think when you think about our church and what we're doing, it's just not this parcel of land that we're discussing, but it's it's the great things that we do throughout the city. Um I think that's important to kind of bake that into um the thought process and ultimately through those pillars we are promoting crossgenerational opportunities. I'm in a a a group that there's two young guys in their 20s and myself and someone that's in their 60s and the cross-pollination of ideas and support and letting light in the opportunity to exponentially grow that. I think the the risks that we're talking about are reasonable to consider and we should do whatever we need to do to to make adjustments, but the reward for not only those that call east when their home church today, but hopefully the many more that will come um is pretty overwhelming. And I did want to make a point living in Surprise Valley, there are no crosswalks on any streets or the farmhouse with any of the streets uh parallel with Surprise Way. The crosswalks are perpendicular to but not not parallel. Um, so I just wanted to add that point. Thank you for listening and thanks for your time.

Thank you very much, sir. Okay. Uh, Alexis Climpmple, Jack Lam, and then Dominic Dvitis,

chairman, commissioners, uh, Alexis Clumple, 5950 South Tulip Place. I play a municipal lawyer as my day job, so I apologize if I get kind of in the weeds. Um, I'm here in support of the conditional use permit applications for Eastwind Community Church. As the commission knows, uh, city code requires approval of this request if criteria are met. I urge you to rely on your subject matter experts, those being your planning and zoning staff, in weighing the evidence before you tonight. Given the information in the staff report, there is no substantial evidence by which the commission could find that the criteria for approval are not met. The only criteria that is arguably touched on by the comments in opposition to this uh application, at least those that have come in ahead of time, um is the potential negative impacts under city code 11-05-05 3C sub3 sub A sub2. Uh but denial on this basis would have to be based on substantial evidence of a material negative impact. The fact is Surprise Way is a through street. It doesn't just serve the residents in Surprise Valley. Uh, for example, I live in Columbia Village up the hill. I frequently drive down Surprise Way to get to other parts of Southeast Boisey. Uh, it's a through street. Um, to get to to areas of town. Lots of people use it regardless of whether they're going to a church on Surprise Way or not. Approving this application would not materially affect the use of this roadway. As noted in the staff report, Eastwind offers community benefiting programs. I've personally volunteered with Eastwin to help beautify Boisey uh through work with the Boyisey Parks and Reccks Department, cleaning up parks, and with Boise public schools. Approval of these cups will allow more people to participate not only in Sunday services, but also in these volunteer opportunities that benefit the Boisee community at large. Even if a material negative impact were

created by approval, the public benefits of approving these cups outweighs any negative impact. Therefore, I respectfully request that the commission approve uh these cups as they meet the criteria laid out in city code. Thank you. Thanks. We would never have guessed you're an attorney. Blazer didn't give it away. All right. Uh Jack Lam and then Dominic Dvitis.

Jack Lam. I live on605 West Resigue Street. Um, thank you so much for what you guys do. I'm so grateful to be here. Uh, we're so grateful for the opportunity to share uh just about how passionate we are about what we do. Um, we're about a few things. We want to inspire each other to follow Jesus, and that may not be everyone's cup of tea, but so that we can love our neighbor and reach the next generation. Um, I have the privilege of doing a couple things at the church. One of those things is I work with uh media and Sunday mornings and then also um with uh students. I volunteer as a uh small group leader with our high school and junior high students. Um and the impact that we are having uh with students is something that I can't be as technical as my favorite piano player, Alex, who just went before me, but um it is profound. I've sat with kids um who are just struggling at home um who are finally opening up to us who are saying, "Oh yeah, sorry. I I uh I didn't take my ADHD medication this morning because it makes me puke, but I told my mom I did. Um where where I'm I'm meeting with high school kids who told me that when he was 13, he wanted to he was about to jump a kid and kill him and he didn't because he had people around him or pouring into him because he he came to East Community Church. And now I hang out with this kid and he's taking pictures at church on Sunday mornings and is at every three services. Uh and yeah, I pick him up at 5:00 in the morning because that's the time we get to church at 6:00. But it is that's what we do. Um and so I just I I can't uh not say because we've talked a lot about traffic and other things. I can't miss the uh forest for the trees here literally. Um and we are we are serving young people um and hopefully creating a space um for them to thrive in their community. So thank you guys so much for what you do.

Okay. Thank you very much. All right. Dominic Dvitus. I see a Dvitus friend. Any other in the clan? I'm I'm gonna help you out in case it comes again. Devitas. Devitas. Yeah. Uh yeah, my fault.

No, no worries. Uh Dominic Devitas, my address is 7474 West Altha Court. And I have a a small anecdote that kind of represents I think captures how we want to work with our neighbors. I'm the junior high director at the church. Uh you guys have heard this a couple times already, but we have about 80 junior high students on any given Wednesday. And when it comes winter time, uh, the parking lot gets really dark. It's where we really rely on those lights. Uh, and parents, uh, get a little more reckless in their driving as well. You may have also noticed helmets get less popular every single year. So, this last winter, we noticed our our parking lot at pickup for junior high wasn't as safe of a space as we wanted it to be. So, in February, we started talking to ESI about what new lights could look like in that parking lot, and we got started on that project. Uh, and as we put them up, there's this option. There's this color spectrum between white lights all the way to yellow lights. Uh, and when given the option, we went with yellow because we want this church to fit into the neighborhood to feel like it's part of the neighborhood. Uh, and then we pretty quickly received a message from one of our neighbors. There's an apartment complex right next door that is mostly covered by trees, but there's a few spots where there's a gap in the trees and people's windows peer right into our parking lot. Uh, and this person mentioned that with the new lights, as bright as they were, as awesome as they were for the junior high, uh, they didn't really care because every night they were keeping them up while they were trying to sleep. Uh, so what we did, uh, is we said, "Thank you for the input, and we put hoods on our lights, so this no longer shines, uh, into this neighbor's spot." This was just one neighbor who had a problem with the lights we were putting in. Uh, but we really care about our neighbors. So, so we did something about it to be a church for our neighborhood. If I read you the text, the thank you text, I would run out of time, so I'm just going to skip it. Uh but I just wanted to share that anecdote because it captures uh where our heart is and and how we want to treat our neighbors and be part of the neighborhood. Thank you so much.

Thank you for coming out. Okay. Uh I think it's Paul Trafocante Leif Brandt and then Daniel Benfield. Uh Mr. Chairman, uh commissioners, thank you. I'll be very uh brief. I I just have a comment on the uh on the traffic question. Um, I've been a member of the church for two years. I I live at 44 Morris Creek Rim Road, Boise, Idaho. My father was a resident at the terraces of Boise until he passed this this December. So, um, as as a by reason of that, I have had the opportunity to experience traffic turning to the left and turning to the right as a as one exits the church. And I have to say that I cannot think of a time where I waited for more than two cars or three cars in front of me to make a turn either way. And I think that the estimates that the uh that were given uh earlier on how long it takes people to filter into the church and I go to the 9:00 uh regularly uh and and it takes a little bit longer than than what uh I've heard folks say and I know that because my dad was in a wheelchair so I would time coming in early uh when I was taking him so that we uh we wouldn't be a clog in the in the works. So, I observed people coming in from anywhere from uh and there were always people there before me uh from anywhere from 20 minutes before uh 9:00 a.m. to having pil people come in and filter next to me in the aisles up to five or 6 minutes after the the service starts. So, there's I think there's a there's there's quite a longer window than than folks are thinking of and that's probably because they're busy doing other things uh at the time. Thank you. Thank you very much, sir. Okay. Uh,

Leif Brandt and then Daniel Benfield and then Jim Reed.

Uh, Leif Brandt, uh, 3477 South Capulet Way. Um, I am on staff, I've been on staff for about six years, and just kind of want to touch a little bit on what Dominic mentioned, but one of our core values on our staff team is better is better. meaning that anytime that we are alerted or we see something that could be made better, whether it's internally or it's for our neighbors or for the community, we want to do what we can to make uh those things improved and get better. And I'm probably the main staff person that goes around and is like, "Oh, we need to fix this. We need to fix that. Parking lot's dark. Uh traffic pattern stinks." And so kind of just wanted to speak to Commissioner Stallings just your your question about um the parking and the flaggers and and having that like just want you to know that it's on our minds. It's on my mind all the time probably too much, but we're thinking about those kind of things and we we want to be good neighbors. We want to be um safe and and and provide safety for our community. And so that is that is on our heartbeat. That is in our minds. And so we you have our our our commitment to that. So thank you.

Thank you, sir. Okay. Daniel Benfield, Jim Reed, and then Gary Wiggins.

Good evening, Mr. Chairman and Commission. My name is Daniel Benfield. I live at 6176 South Skooner Place right there in Surprise Valley. Uh I'm here to express my strong support for the Eastwind Church expansion. Uh this church is more than just a place of worship. It actively serves our community. Uh they support the families in need. They host community events, as we've heard throughout the testimony here. They provide a space where people can connect um and find help. Their programs reach far beyond just their congregation. Um as our our neighborhood continues to grow, the community needs their services more than ever. Uh I'm a career military member who's motivated by a life of service. And because of that, I can recognize a genuine service mindset when I see it. Um and that's exactly what Eastwin brings every day. They bring true service to their community and they are committed to strengthening our families, uh, supporting our neighbors, being a good neighbor, and just making our neighborhood a better place overall. Uh, East Wind has been incredibly thoughtful and responsible, uh, as a neighbor. Um, and I take this dearly as I love our community in Surprise Valley, and this expansion will allow them to continue to serve the neighborhood and community safely and effectively. And Carlos, just to put on the record, I'll volunteer to be a flagger for you.

Thanks, Commissioner. You better listen to them, too. We're gonna hold you to that. All right. Jim Reed and Gary Wiggins.

So, Jim Reed, 6026 East Spins Edge, and I've been a member of East Wind for two years. I met my wife uh two year well two and a half years ago and after we were together for a while we decided to go to church together and she had gone to Eastwind before before co so we tried Eastwind and it's the first experience I've had in my life I went to church as a child I grew up in a Catholic family. I uh had learning disabilities and I didn't know anything about the Bible after going to church and all the way through confirmation when so going to Eastwind was the first experience I kind of uh my religious experience was praying for 40 years by myself internally not experiencing a Christian family. And if you want to see a Christian family in action, go watch the exchange between the 9:00 service and the 10:30 service. When when people come in the middle, they don't just roll out and run off to their cars and try to race home. It's just a community engaged and it's it's fun. It's something you look forward to coming and going. And so I think if you just saw that you as a as a community member, you would be pleased to be have that as part of your community.

And so with that, I compliment Carlos for turning me into a Christian. Thank you, sir. Okay. Gary Wiggins.

Thank you. Uh my name is Gary Wiggins. I live at 5329 South uh South Farmhouse Place in Surprise Valley. I currently serve as the uh vice president of the homeowners association and I have for 24 years. I'm also a retired Boisee police officer. where I worked 27 years for the city of Boisee and 15 of that was patrolling southeast Boisey specifically the area that the church is located in and my house. So there's no denying that a church is a good thing. We all know that. I'm not going to try and debate that they do good or they don't do good. I think the question is whether this is the right size project for the area. You've heard them say they're going to triple the size of the church which is going to do a lot to traffic. At one point in time, uh, Commissioner Danley was asking about the amount of cars. Uh, no one's really taken into consideration that Eagle Community Church also has two services and their parking lot is 180 plus vehicles. So, uh, backing up a little bit, uh, Commissioner Stefan asked about uh, the traffic going both ways. Yes, it does currently. And there are no controls, there are no signage, there are no stop bars controlling the traffic. There have never been any and there have never been any signage. whatsoever. And remember, if it's not placed by the city or ACD, it's not even viable. It's not even heatable. If they want to drive through it, they can and nobody could even site them. So, it would need to be placed by the city or by the county and not by the church. Um, there were some other questions asked about sight lines on the intersections coming around. Uh, traffic goes from 30 to 35 miles an hour right at the entrance to the church. Both driveways from Eagle Eagle Community Church and and Eastwind come out within 150 feet of each other and that's where the traffic increases from 30 to 35 miles an hour and it is a blind corner. Uh there are a lot of trees there. Most of those trees have been in the ground for 29 years. Uh

there the tree they removed was an 18inch caliper tree. So that's about the size that most of the trees are in the in the neighborhood. Um the large groups, they do a lot of uh youth stuff in the evenings. We've had a lot of complaints from our residents in the uh condominium complex, which is part of our HOA, about the noise. Uh they're actually moving some of their structures to the uh east side of the church, which is then going to put more uh of the church closer to those condominiums. And I don't even think that's addressed in the plan because they're existing structures. Um, and I think uh the only other thing that I was really concerned about was just the overall size and the fact that the land that they have leased for the parking lot belongs to Idaho Power. If at any time Idaho Power takes that land back for whatever reason they need it, then the church is limited back to its original parking and now they've tripled the size of the church. and where are those people going to be if that comes to fruition. So other than that, thank you so much for your time.

Thank you for coming out. Appreciate it. Okay, that concludes the signup sheet, but that does not mean that anybody who's in the audience who wishes to testify can't do so now. So, if you are in the audience and have not already signed up to testify or have come up, I should say, then please come forward and just occupy these front and we'll just do the same thing one at a time and state your name and address for the record and we'll take it from there and then we have some folks online who we'll get to momentarily as well. Do you want to step up?

Yep. Uh, my name is Britney Slaughter and I live at 6111 South Settlement Way and I'm here to speak in opposition to the expansion at Eastwind Church. And just to clarify, that's in Surprise Valley. I live in Surprise Valley. There um, has been mentioned there are 595 homes in Surprise Valley, Homestead, Rim, and Daybreak subdivisions for which the only access is Surprise Way. The proposed expansion of Eastwind Church will affect every homeowner in that two-mile stretch from Highway 21 to Amity. Current zoning is consistent with how the land has been used up to this point, which is a church with a moderate congregation size and a neighborhood a neighboring community garden. According to code, um, res resoning the property requires safe, convenient, and comfortable interactions between motor vehicles, cyclists, and pedestrians and enhanced pedestrian safety. These things are a concern in this area even now without the the expansion. The proposed driveway is on a sweeping curve with limited visibility. And in the written comments that were submitted, there were multiple comments citing close calls between pedestrians and cyclists at the intersection of the church parking lot as it exists today. Adding more parking, more cars, and another green belt crossing will decrease pedestrian and sa cyclist safety in the area. The code requires that it be uniquely suited to accommodate this expansion be uniquely suited to accommodate the proposed use and that the use will not create material negative impacts in the surrounding areas. This project will result in a large commercial building on a residential street which is the only access for nearly 600 homes and convert a community garden to parking. a community garden with nearly a hundred growing plots that benefited our entire neighborhood. The loss of the garden

alone is a material negative impact to our community. Additionally, the church was um the church lied on their permit request for approval of the added driveway and there was no public comment for the new approach. The approval also requires that the site is large enough to accommodate the proposed use, open spaces, pathways, parking, and that it minimizes conflicts between pedestrians, bicycles, and vehicle traffic. This project will make our neighborhood less safe to pedestrians and cyclists. It does not minimize conflicts, it will double or triple them. The city's comprehensive plan states a commitment that growth will be planned to protect the quality of life valued by the city's residents and preserve and enhance natural resources. This includes opportunities for small-scale urban agriculture and residential food production and providing opportunities for community gardens and smallcale farms um like the one that was removed for the addition of the parking lot on the Idaho Power property. Although neighborhoods are required to evolve over time, protective measures that may be necessary to ensure each neighborhood's distinguishing characteristics are retained. This is what's in the um comprehensive plan. The plan requires public facilities to be consistent with community design principles and policies and um minimize conflicts with pedestrians. I implore you to act in accordance with the city's code and complement the plan and deny the app. Yep. Thank you for coming out. Appreciate it. Okay, come on up. And anybody else who has not spoken who wishes to, please come forward now. There you go. Perfect.

My name is Patricia Commtock and I'm at 6092 East Gateway Court in Surprise Valley and we've lived there for 26 years and I'm opposed to the conditional use permit for the expansion of East Wind Community Church. I am not against churches. I've gone to churches my entire life. Many of the wonderful things that the church members said that they do do not have to occur at that property. They're not unique to that property. They can happen at any property. Um I think the church size and the impact were appropriate for the size and location. And all the experiences that were shared tonight have to do with the size of the church today. We are not talking about the three times bigger size. So I don't deny any of those experiences. Um, we've talked about the unique properties of Surprise Way itself. Not only is it 2 miles long with one entrance at each end, but there's a bluff and a fire danger on one side and a rim and a fire danger on the other side. So, there's fire danger on all sides of Surprise Valley and the only way out is east or west. And in the time I've lived there, both entrances have been blocked by fires. Two years ago, there was a fire on Highway 21. That entrance was blocked off. So, we all, if we had to exit, would have exited out towards Amity. If that was on a Sunday morning and everybody had to exit Surprise Way, I don't think we would get out safely. Um, the church has talked about being a good neighbor. I've not been talked to. None of us have been asked. They did have a meeting with the association, but the association did not survey us to ask about our opinion um about the expansion. So, I think that would be something that I would really like to see happen. Also, we've been observing on Sunday mornings because there is no

traffic study what's been occurring. 95% of the cars turn towards Amity. The second exit out of the church isn't going to alleviate the traffic because both exits most people will be going towards Amity. The people exiting Eagle Christian turn left towards Amity. And we've been looking at the service times at both churches and many times they are at concurrent. So they are exiting at the same time. I'm also concerned about flaggers because the flaggers are going to prefer the church. they're going to be helping people exit the church, blocking traffic going out of Surprise Valley. Um, so those are concerns I have. I don't think this is the place for a church that's going to potentially have up to 2,000 people on a Sunday morning. Thank you for your time.

Appreciate it. Okay. And anybody else? Now's the time to occupy one of these chairs. Hello.

Hello, Mr. Commissioner or Mr. Chairman and Commissioner. Thank you. Um, my name is Jennifer Navis. I live at 6183 South Skooner Place in Surprise Valley. Uh, first I'd like to say this is really hard because these people have been my neighbors for decades. I have lived on the AMD corridor since 2005. I lived in Trailside Place before moving to Surprise Valley in 2016. I don't think anyone disputes that uh, East Wind loves our community and is doing their best. This facility was not created to grow at the rate that that congregation is growing. Um I would like to uh point out I'm not sure who mentioned it but someone suggested that um I think it was the architect maybe Miss Thorton. Uh Columbia Village I cannot find on the tax records that Columbia Village contains a church building larger than what East Wind is projecting. um that is a community of 1,800 residents. They have two church buildings. Surprise Valley has 418 residents and has two church buildings already. Um in my years using Surprise Way recreationally before I moved into the community, I have never seen flaggers on Surprise Way. When I do see flaggers, they are inside the parking lot directing people to individual stalls. And that is problematic because the issue is actually the green belt which is clearly marked and identified on the pylons at all of the crossings as parks and wreck city of Boisee property. As Mr. Wigan said the speed limit does go from 30 to 35 there. I am not sure if you have driven down Surprise Way. It is lovely. I work in real estate. I love the developments that the O'Neals put together. That road is not meant for winter driving with the amount of vegetation and the closeness of the homes in some areas. It is an ice

skating rink and with the projected uh new building encroaching upon Surprise Way, I'm not sure if you can tell from the diagram, the gray portion of the building that they are proposing will go one parking space. It'll go Surprise Way, the walking path, their little strip of grass, one parking row, and then the new building. There will not be enough sunshine to shine light to melt ice. People already slide off of the road there in the winter time. It's treacherous and it wasn't meant for the uses that we have today and it's certainly not meant for the uses that the church is proposing. Um I have no doubt that these people mean the best and I'm happy that they have such a wonderful community. the facility cannot grow and be um in easy coexistence with our community as it stands and maintain the characteristics of Surprise Valley that have drawn so many of us to East Boyisey. Thank you.

Okay, thank you very much. Yep. Go ahead. Just just the mic. Yeah, sorry. I'm 5'2 on a good day. Um Jasmine Jenkins, 501 East Park Center Boulevard. Do you need my apartment number too or are you good with that? Oh, that's okay.

Okay, good. Um, uh, my wife and I are born and raised Idahoans. Been here for a long, long time. About four generations back. Um, my parents were missionaries, uh, on an island called Paneang Malaysia for about eight years. Uh, so Idaho is home for us. Always has been, always will be. We want our kids to be here, our grandkids to be here. Uh, we've been going to Eastwood for about two and a half years now. We started initially at Eagle Christian and the location that these very kind people are talking about uh was actually a location that we attended multiple services at before we drove past and saw Eastwind. Um in my personal opinion, the numbers that are coming out of ECC are minimal. Their largest campus is actually off of State Street and Chinden. Um that's their main campus that they have three services at. That's the largest. Um the location off Surprise Way uh isn't their most popular location. Uh so their services are smaller and so the people that they're outputting um is a smaller foot traffic than the other locations. Um these nice people have lots of concerns that me and my wife have also had. Um and so it's a great conversation for you guys to consider. Uh the thing I'll leave you with though is Idaho is growing without a doubt. I think we all are experiencing that. Um growth in Idaho is inevitable. Uh it's called the gem state for a reason. So um with this growth, we need to as a church community do something. Um and I think we're open to suggestion for that. Uh and we want to grow responsibly um to ensure that our community is safe, our neighbors are safe, and that everyone is seen and heard accordingly. and and so this project that's proposed would allow us to grow um at a safe and reasonable rate um to make sure that everyone's happy involved um and that we're taking care of the things that we need to take care of. Uh so I appreciate your time and your consideration uh and thanks so much for having us tonight.

Thank you very much. Okay, I'm going to go to there's somebody that's well there of course their hand was raised for a long time. Yeah, we are. Um and then I'll come back to the chamber. So, I'm going to hit uh this is I think it's Nate Meyer and then I also have Keith Tuttle.

Yeah, I'll try to This is Nate Meyer. Um I live on 5255 uh South Farmhouse Place. Um been a resident here or owned a house for about 12 years and uh lived in the neighborhood probably 5 years before the before that as well. Um, so I think the the key points I've been listening in and and kind of hearing both sides. The biggest challenge I see is, you know, is this a community church or is this going to be a super church? I hear all sorts of stuff about the growth. Um, but then, you know, a community church right now, the way it is, it has a community garden. Um this this community garden has been important to my wife who's actually a Catholic uh teacher. They have volunteered at this garden numerous times. Um uh students from uh sacred sacred heart and I believe uh Bishop Kelly uh high school have volunteered here. Um now we're taking this community garden and uh replacing it with parking lot which is not most attractive thing. um kind of aligning with the prior comments uh on the entry to a subdivision. Um next um uh the space that they have the garden right now is actually a nature pathway. I don't I don't know if any studies have been done uh regarding where the deer are going to move to as far as the path to the kind of the Oregon Trail common area there. Um uh I see herds of deer moving through there uh nightly. Um, it's actually a concern from a traffic perspective because of the the speeds through that area, but um, I don't know where that's going to push the deer. I don't know if anyone's studied that or looked at it. Um, the flagger comments, uh, I'm sorry, but I I every time I hear the volunteer aspect, I have never seen a flagger out there. I have myself personally had

several issues with uh, individuals leaving the parking in in the current situation. um primarily because as as and I haven't seen any photos of this uh shared by the the church or anyone here. Um but that intersection is terrible. There's bushes, there's shrubbery. Um that triangle that is mentioned, I I don't think it's been studied well. Um so I I think some work needs to be done there before that easement and egress is is declared as good enough. Um, next, uh, uh, let's see what else. Service times. I I would second the the point that the service times are up to the pastors and they say they're going to agree on times, but let's be honest, I I don't think that's a natural case. Um, another thing I'd like to point out is the other church has over 180 parking spaces as mentioned. Um, they have one exit. Um, they are able to make that due. Um currently there's 155 spots at this one parking spot. Um a lot of which were added as gravel spots which were initially to service the the the I believe the garden. So kind of illegally added but

um

Thank you sir. I'm going to need to pause you there. We've got three minutes up. So but thank you for hanging out and appreciate your testimony. Okay. I'm gonna have to move forward and I'm going to go with Keith Tuttle followed by Jenny Henley. Good evening. My name is Keith Tuttle. I live at 5122 South Surprise Way, the building directly adjacent to this parking lot. Um, first and foremost, I am a Catholic. I am very active in my church. Um, I just wanted to mention a few things that I've experienced in the year I've lived here. There have been more than one time, more than several times I should say, where leaving trying to get to my own church services, I have to go north on Surprise Way to Amity Road and I've had to wait upwards of 5 to 10 minutes to be able to turn onto Amity Road due to the severe traffic following church services. Secondly, I live directly next door and I have not been contacted by anyone from Eastman Community Church. I have not been involved in any of that and I I frankly just frustrated that I have not been consulted or even informed about this being a direct neighbor and noise has on several occasions been an issue including this past weekend where I'm trying to enjoy my Saturday and noise coming from the church is directly impacting my ability to spend time in my home not outside. inside I can hear music and noise from the neighboring church. Thank you for your time.

Okay, thank you very much sir. Um Jenny Henley and then I think that's all that are online at least as of now.

Hi, my name is Jenny Henley and I live at 5122 South Surprise Way. I'm in the Overlook Condos. It sounds like I'm in the same building as Keith and I I I am in opposition of this project. um for all the reasons that everyone else has spoken about, so I won't repeat any of them. But I also um you know, I go to bed with the street lights in my bedroom window and I wake up with them in my window. Um and the the level of activity and traffic is definitely impactful. And if well I guess like I said I don't want to repeat anything but should this be approved I would like to have it on record to request the buildings that are moving to the east closer to the condos the huts and the side building. I would like to request that if this goes through those be moved to the other side where the parking is planned so that you're not increasing activity right at the condos where you're going to increase the level of noise. And in addition, should this go through, if you could build a or plant a living wall between the condos and the church to give the condos a little bit more privacy from the level of activity. But again, I am in opposition. Um, and that's all I have.

Okay. Thank you very much. Okay. Um, with that, I don't have anybody else who's in chamber who wants to testify, and I don't show anybody else online who's doing the same. So, last chance. All right. Well, with that, then we'll go ahead and close the public testimony portion of things, and we'll open it back up to the applicant for five minutes of rebuttal. So, John Breen re land 6661 North Glennwood Street. would um address some of the concerns. Um I guess start with some of the basic stuff that was mentioned maybe is for some clarity. The addition that we're proposing here is only 14,000 square feet uh which will make the overall structure 70,000 square feet. So, it's not we're not tripling the size of the the building or anything like we're not tripling the size of the building or anything like that. So, we're only doing a 14,000 squ 14,000t addition. And um so just a point of clarity there. Also, the approach at the northwest has already been approved uh for construction. um as well as the uh relocation of the structures to the southeast that those approvals are already in place. There's also some concerns about not being invited to the neighborhood meeting. We did have a neighborhood meeting. We invited uh everybody that

was on the list that was provided by the city just for clarification. And u uh we had uh good interaction with the folks that were there. the um you know there's some concerns about the traffic on on Surprise Way and it is a curvy road. Uh, one of the reasons that the the one location to the northwest is located there is because it does it is on a curve, but the uh the access to it allows or as you exit out of it allows you to look both ways down that curve uh that was discussed uh during the approval process with ACD. There are not any pushes at either of those intersections. uh uh at those approaches. It's only the trees on the sides that would potentially be of concern as was previously discussed. Yeah, I think that's that's all I have for the Mr. Chair, commissioners, thank you for this time. Um, a couple other items that I just wanted to reiterate. Um, we are not reszoning the land that was brought up. So, this is an approved use in an existing facility that has been here for over 20 years. Um, we have a

lease with Idaho Power. That land isn't going anywhere. That lease is valid until 2055. I mean, this that's a very long time. A lot can happen in 30 years. The neighborhood impact always is, of course, we're very concerned about that and have every intention of being responsible neighbors. It is continuing to serve the same community. It is not a new or incompatible use. It is taken extra steps. We did again send out neighborhood meeting notices. We did ask the HOAs, we asked them if to email their entire email list if they would like to to make sure that we had enough input from everyone. Um the building while increasing in size has been developed to maintain compatible surrounding area. It does not increase existing height and the massing has been broken down for scale. The application meets the zoning standards and has refi re I'm sorry and all the required public knows processes. We are supportive of everything that the staff has suggested and the conditions of approval and are willing to make reasonable adjustments. So at this time I'll stand for questions. Thank you.

Okay. Thank you very much. This item is now brought to a close and the item is in front of us for a decision. I have a quick point of order though to staff given that the applicant has been on record as saying that they are uh withdrawing making sure I'm clear on that. The request for the variance number one do we it I don't have it on paper but I do have it on written record oral record. So I want to make sure that that is okay. Do we do we need to make a decision since it's been officially withdrawn on the record? Mr. Chair, because there wasn't an official submission, you should um still take care of that today.

Okay, then that answers my second question. All right. Well, with that, the items before the commission and just as a reminder, we actually now have three different uh poss three different elements of this. So, we have the conditional use permit modification. We had the uh legal nonconformity expansion, the major expansion, and at least officially the variance request for the gravel uh parking lot. Mr. Chair, Commissioner Schaefer. Well, everybody's considering maybe I'll tee up uh the first item, which is to deny the variance request uh which is uh CVA26-10. Move to move to deny the variance request.

All right. Very good. I've got a motion by Commissioner Schaefer with respect second to the variance request and a second by Commissioner Moore. Discussion. Uh Mr. Sure. Mr. Schaer. Yeah. I mean, it's pretty simple. We'll just formalize the discussion here tonight. I mean, the applicant intends to withdraw the application, so it makes all sense to me to simply deny that, take that off the table for discussion as we move forward here with the other two items. Okay. Thank you very much, Commissioner Schaefer. Any other discussion? Mr. Chair, Commissioner Moore. Agreed. Uh, for the reasons stated in the staff report, I think denial or withdrawal makes sense. So, I'm in agreement with that motion. Okay. Any other further discussion on this? this particular piece of it.

I'd love to figure out if they could do the impervious because I think it it's I know it's a element that the city feels comfortable with. It's something that we've strategized for water quality. Um, I I believe I'm not officially 100%, but I believe the costs are less than than official asphalt, but I don't know if that's something that either of you would be open to in terms of a condition or a modification or anything like that. That's up to you. But if not, then we can proceed. So,

Mr. Chair, just a point. If someone were interested in adding that, that would probably be better served on the expansion of the legal non-conforming book. Fair enough. Okay. Uh, any other discussion then on the variance request? Hearing none would the clerk please call the role. Danley I. Moore. Yes. Schaefer. Yes. Deha. Yes. Torres. Yes. Dome. Yes. Dawings. Yes. Spons. Yes. All in favor? Motion carries.

Okay. That leaves two more. the conditional use permit and the legal non-conforming major expansion. While the commission is deliberating, I just wanted to say to everybody, thank you for coming out on this Monday night. Appreciate it. You're testifying, giving us your thoughts. It's it's definitely appreciated. Thought that was also going to help me buy some time up here, but apparently Mr. Chair, Commissioner Moore,

I move. All right. I move that we approve CP 26-03 including the conditional use permit modification and legal nonconformity major expansion including the following conditions to work with city of Boisey parks city of Boisee the parks department pathways and ACD to add crosswalks signage and truncated domes to those pedestrian crossings and any other safety measures that parks and pathways sees fit and to include pvious surfaces as an option for the parking per surfaces that are acceptable to the city of Boisee and their drainage department and Boisee fires requirements. And I think that's all that I've got at this time, but open to

Thank you, Commissioner Moore. Um, is there a second? Second. Okay, I've got a motion by Commissioner Moore with the additional two conditions and a second by Commissioner Schaefer. Is there discussion? Mr. Commissioner Moore,

I think that, you know, for a lot of the the testimony that we received talking about being residents of this church and or being residents of this area and also attending this church, it makes a lot of sense to expand it in the location. If 78% of your congregation is in this location, it makes sense to expand it that way. Otherwise, you will be creating more traffic in a larger vicinity. And I think that keeping it in the vicinity of the majority of the population does meet a lot of the city's goals. So I think that in terms of the conditional use permit modification, especially at the major expansion, um I think that it is appropriate for this location. Um and I think that makes a lot of sense on the crosswalks. I think we we discussed this and I think that we discussed this with with the land team and the architect team. you know, the willingness to add those crosswalks, to add those kind of safety measures, stop signs, signage, truncated domes, all those things to help improve that. If that doesn't exist right now, that could be part of the reason for some of these issues that are happening is because these measures don't exist right now and it's only perpendicular to the to the um street. Uh and then on the pvious services as an option for parking not required but just kind of leaving that open as an option I you know however cost falls in and fire departments requirements and things like that may not make it feasible but um certainly you know supportive of of that measure as as as available. So for for those reasons and and and all of those state in the staff report, I'm I'm in in favor of the project.

Okay. Thank you, Commissioner Moore, for the discussion,

Mr. Chair. Commissioner Shaver. Yeah, since I second it, I'll follow up. Um, thanks everybody for testifying this uh this evening both for and against the application. This is one of those rare ones. I think that like the written comments in our packet were pretty evenly, you know, pro and against 50/50. So, it's kind of interesting one. Um, good to see um, great feedback from the community on both sides of the argument. So, I appreciate that. Um, yeah, taking just a big picture look at this. You know, the building addition meets setbacks, setback requirements for the parcel. Uh, building heights meet code as well. So, it checks all the boxes from a code perspective. Um, ACD, all the other reviewing agencies um, express, you know, pretty standard comments. ACT um you know standard standard comments uh to their review. No requirements uh needed to the roadways or the the road network. Um Boisey Fire is the same pretty standard comments for building permit some to come. So uh reviewing agency and staff report are in support. Um, I also agree with staff reports uh summary that adding a second uh driveway or approach into the site will help with some of the traffic congestion and issues um that exist currently. And to Commissioner Moore's point, I think this is a perfect example of a project. We see this a lot where the proposed project identifies maybe existing issues or concerns um in neighborhoods, right? And I think that this is an opportunity to correct some of those things um that maybe exist already. I don't think that this is going to exacerbate that per se, but gives us an opportunity to re-evaluate and to make some improvements, right, to the driveways and the pedestrian and bike and vehicular network um that exists today. Um in a lot of ways, you know, this application is formalizing a lot of use that's already happening on the site. So, I'm comfortable um with the legal

non-conforming use and the parking lot uh aspect of this as well. So, I believe that takes most of my comments. Um, and again, I do appreciate everybody's input tonight and the testimony on both sides. Okay. Thank you, Commissioner Schaeer. Commissioner Sehoff.

Um I would like to know if um Commissioner Moore and Commissioner Schaeer would entertain adding another potential condition to this motion regarding flagging consideration of flagging or the um having flaggers or having flags um at those intersections where cars are coming out. um near the green belt. I was thinking someone mentioned that you know this area in terms of green belt uses is not heavily used and maybe it isn't. I don't know. I don't live in that area. I don't spend a lot of time in that area except to say that I the one time I did I was cheering someone on doing the great potato marathon. Um so yeah, I think we need to I would ask for consideration of including a condition um where they they do one or the other in terms of having flaggers during busy times um or installing those neon orange um flags like we have on Hill Road and Lancaster and also the intersection of Katalpa and Col I'm sorry Lancaster and Hill and then Katapa and Colister. Thank you, Commissioner Sehaw. Um, okay. I've got a motion by Commissioner Moore and Schaefer and a potential request by Commissioner Seaw's. Further discussion,

Mr. Chair, Commissioner Moore. So I think if I understand understand commissioner Sea's request, it would go something like an additional condition to institute a flagger a volunteer flagger program or provide crosswalk flags at the intersections. Okay. Like the the pedestrian crosswalk flags. Yeah, I'm I'm not opposed to that. I think it's a pretty uh we can't have anybody from the chambers. Thank you though,

because I think that it's requiring a pedestrian crosswalk program. I think outright without any options could be a difficult term to meet, especially if you're relying on a volunteer program. But in the event that flaggers or that program doesn't work, um you still do have those those flags that you can carry. and and that's, you know, a little bit more visible. I'm not opposed to that. I don't know what Commissioner Schaefer's thoughts are on that. Yeah, Mr. Chair.

Mr. Schaefer. Yeah, I I my only concern is um enforcement and how does the city legally enforce such a requirement,

but perhaps the wording of your condition could be uh amended to indicate um the applicant will provide a traffic control plan with building permit submitt, right? and gives them the opportunity to evaluate all of their options about how they manage their traffic leaving the site and and arriving to the site and also evaluate their best course of action to improve the crosswalks. I feel like that that might be a little more enforceable from a staff perspective like just provide a provide a traffic control plan with your building permits. Mr. Chair, Commissioner Moore, I'm good with that.

Is that does that get to your line of thinking? Commissioner Mo, Commissioner Sheper. I'm good with that. So then we have to do a friendly a friendly amendment. Can I can I go ahead? Can I add one small piece to tie that together? Can the uh pathway manager be part of that traffic plan that is developed the review? Yeah, I I don't think that would be a problem. I think that would make sense. Well, I think that staff would review it and and route that appropriately right amongst their departments. I don't know if we have to indicate that specifically, but maybe Matt,

Mr. Chair, commissioners, I would if there's any specifics that you'd like, I would specify it just um Sure. Got it all. Now, now Commissioner War gets to reward. Do you have something Commissioner Solings with regard to this? Okay, hold on a second. Hope you're taking good notes here. I appreciate, you know, I agree with this discussion that's been going on. I my the enforceable um element to the flags and the crossing flags, especially crossing flags for biker, you know, either way, non-inforceable. I like this um you traffic, what do we say? Traffic plan. Traffic control plan. Yeah.

Yeah. Control plan. Um the other part that I just wanted to see if we could make a condition for was lighting the second um drive access point. It sounds like the main entrance is lit. The second one doesn't sound like it's lit. And seeing with the as discussed from both sides of the testimony of hazardous conditions in the winter and frequent use in the summer, it just doesn't sound like a bad um safety condition there. While we're thinking about that, I I think that there would have been a letter from the city with regarding to lighting. There usually is. I don't recall usually that specifically though

usually like the last one. Yeah, Mr. Chair, I don't I don't disagree with the suggestion, but I just don't know if it's necessary. What if we put that in traffic control? Well, we can do that, but you know, building permit review, like city street light reviews building permit review, right? So, I mean, I think the city and ACD have to review these review this again for standards. So, I don't know if that's fully necessary. I don't disagree with the idea. I'm just suggesting that, you know, that's that's a typical review item, right, when they get into design review, building permit review. Yeah. Mr. Chair, Commissioner Moore,

I think also there's a minimum light level that's required on site at least in in the level that they can control which they would need to meet would be that minimum light level on site. So maybe during building permit review, during, you know, construction documents, they would find that that lighting was inadequate there or something like that too. Okay, thank you. Um, I could pull that as an additional condition. Okay. Do you have what you need to modify your motion? I got it. How modified do we I think you should just

list all of them. No, keep the first two, but I think just add the traffic control plan and um we talked your mo your just to be clear, your motion included the striping of the crosswalk and curb ramps and then the signage the signage, but it didn't address the flaggers. Correct? No. Okay. So therefore, I would just say the overarching motion amendment would be and include a condition that specifically cites the traffic control plan and and circulating it through um parks and trail plan. Okay. So, Mr. Sure. Commissioner Moore,

I'd like to amend my motion to include a condition for the applicant to submit a traffic control plan with the building permit that will be routed for review to park or Boise parks and pathways and ACD. Okay. Does that satisfy Commissioner Schaefer to go with that? I second. Okay. I have a motion by Commissioner Moore to include the striping the crosswalk, ADA per improvements, curb ramps, and so forth at both entrances and exits, and then now a traffic control plan that's to be internal circulated to the appropriate channels. And I have a second by Commissioner Schaefer. Further discussion uh Mr. Chair, Commissioner Moore,

that also includes the option to include a surfaces. Thank you. Good catch. Okay. Any other discussion, Mr. Chair?

Uh, Commissioner Torres. So, I think you know the part that I've struggled with with this whole item is under the terms and conditions of approval the this will not result this is on page um 58 I believe um will not result in material negative impacts to surrounding properties or that any deviation from those criteria has been mitigated to the maximum extent practicable and the public benefits of the proposed expansion outweigh any material negative impacts of the proposed expansion that cannot be mitigated. I think the original proposal that we received did not meet that criteria. I am fairly comfortable with the amended motion um and the conditions that we're we're requiring here. Um I think I just want to add, you know, just a couple thoughts. I appreciate Commissioner Seaf mentioning the flags, uh the pedestrian flags when there's no flaggers available. I'm not a big fan of those. I don't think that they they they definitely they first of all they're hard if you're on a bike to use. Second of all, they are presupposing that you have to be make yourself more visible at an area and I don't remember what we said during the testimony. The green belt I don't think has stop signs there. So they are the they have the right of way at that exit. They shouldn't be the ones having to, you know, do something to make themselves more visible. Um, beyond that, I I just want to say, you know, we have applicants who come up here sometimes who have no plan when it comes to um pedestrian and vehicle conflicts. Um, we have applicants who come here who are dismissive of them. You were not either of those. So, I appreciate you coming here having thought through these issues somewhat. Um, you know, I appreciate your willingness to be open to changes and suggestions as far as that goes. Um, I I want to acknowledge everybody who came out here and testified. You know, you all very much obviously care about

your community and and this neighborhood. Um, churches generally are a positive element in any community and and sounds like yours is no exception to that. Um, so while I still have a few qualms about the the the interaction between the vehicles and the traffic and the dramatic increase in parking, I will support the motion. I would just suggest that if there's any way you can can motivate more people who attend your church to come by other means besides vehicles, it would probably be a benefit to you. Um, and it might grow your your services even more. Um, and with that, I will shut up and let others speak. Thank you, Mr. Torres. Further discussion, chair, commission.

Yeah. Um, I'd like to kind of continue a little bit on uh Commissioner Torres's thoughts here on uh on the pathway. I'm glad that these amendments were added in um because they were on my list of things uh especially as I look at our approval criteria before things like this conditional use perfect. Um and number four on here or yeah number four says the site provides a safe, convenient, efficient network that minimizes conflicts between pedestrians, bicyclists and other vehicle traffic and and it goes on there. Um, as stated and as was responded, I wasn't fully satisfied with that, but due to some of the amendments that we're adding to, I think it addresses some of that and helps mitigate some of these potential conflicts. Um, I think things may may evolve and they may change in time as they always do and we may need to re look at that and I hope that's part of the uh traffic management plan that we are asking to be added to this. Then it does have, you know, some type of review period to look at these um this route um and the pathway master plan is an important part of it. there's not a direct uh or a adjacent pathway along the river. Um it's set back here um because of development or because of certain areas and uh and land use in that area. So this is the way if you're on the south side of the river to travel and continue on the on the green belt. I have used it myself as a cyclist. Um and it is a really nice area to to to bike through. Um and so I understand some of the concerns of the residents of that and trying to keep that there in that way. Um but I think um the uh applicants and what they have done um and their willingness to work with the community and understand that u is admirable um and uh I will be in support of this motion as it stands. Thank you.

Okay. Thank you, Commissioner Stfansk. Then last comments. Okay. Um I'll try to be brief but dang traffic is like kind of my jam. Um okay. So like Commissioner Torres specifically around the conditional use permit and the expansion of the church. What is the use? The use is the church. What does the church do? It has people in it who who have can you know attend religious services for all the reasons but that is an episodic event. It's three times on Sunday we have an ingress and we have an egress. So the use is generating a result. That result is what we have to in my mind think about with respect to the mitigation because we have to satisfy number two to m to commissioner Torres's point. So will not create any material negative impacts to uses and surrounding area but it also says um that can be basically mitigated. So what have we heard tonight? We've heard that we have roughly 220 vehicles that come in, 20 220 vehicles that go out, come in, go out, come in, etc. And it's in between these sessions that we have 440 vehicles that are going in and out over the course of basically 20 minutes. So, one, two, three, there's a car. One, two, three, there's another car. That's the pace that has to happen in order for this to occur. If I were to look at that number and app and and apply it to an intersection in the city of Boisey, that

would be like fair view level turning movements. That's what we're talking about, especially again in those 20 minute periods of time between the services. But it only happens on Sunday really. the other times of the week it doesn't really happen. So then the question is can it be mitigated? Uh I think that I'm with Commissioner Moore, Commissioner Schaefer others that with a profit a proper traffic control plan with ensuring that the green belt is addressed because it should not be an effect on them. They're simply trying to walk, ride a bike, walk the dog, right? And this is where it gets muddy for me is is absolutely the flaggers. My daughter is no surprise to anybody who does traffic safety patrol for Liberty Elementary. Dad had nothing to do with that. I promise. I found out through something recently and I asked about that. What training did you get? I was told flat point blank point blank. Go watch the other kids. That's not training. That's just observation. So that's what I'm talking about. That's what we have to get to and it has to be done right. And I think one of the folks who testified had mentioned that it should not come at the at the negative effect of the people using the green belt. Right? So there's the challenge and I don't envy you for that, but I think it's important that the church gets this right and works really hard at it and takes it very seriously and I think that you will. Um, so I'm a yes, but I think it's it's and it's a bigger issue than we're even thinking about if we really extrapolate that out over the course of, you know, a rate, 30 minutes, half an hour, an hour, and so forth. Um, okay. I think that's all I wanted to get out. Any other comments? All right. Right. So, to set the deck, we have a motion by Commissioner Moore

and a second by Commissioner Schaefer with I believe it was three different conditions. One had to do with the crosswalk treatments and and entrance exit egress treatments to the site. The other one had to do with the impervious surface treatment of the expanded lot. And the third had to do with traffic control plan as well as um the the the circulation within city staff. There was one last thing. I'm sorry. And it's not a condition, but I would I do think that somebody brought up the yurt placement and it being really close to the the adjacent condo complex. I would encourage you to rethink that and to put those in a place that's maybe farther away because if there's activities, teenagers staying up 10 11:00 during summertime, that's the kind of stuff that they're not going to be too friendly about. It's going to get going to rub some people the wrong way eventually. So that Sorry, that was one more thing I wanted to point out. Okay. Will the clerk please call the role?

Danley, uh I Moore, yes. Schaefer, yes. Shha, yes. Torres, yes. Dome, yes. Stings, yes. Stfanic, yes. All in favor? Motion carries. Okay. Thank you all for coming out. Appreciate it. This concludes our hearing.