Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

So, I just told Dan, I said, "Uh, she's probably freaking out cuz we're over in the office and then it's time." Yeah. So, we can blame Dan for him being white. That's right. Yes. Go ahead. Say anyway. I was going to say one more person blaming dad. What? Dan won't matter. No. So, good evening every need to add um Mr. Chairman need to add a couple of things. Maybe maybe I better take that off. You're going to add you're going to add some formal commission meeting or action items. No, it's discussion. Oh, discussion. Okay. All right. Well, it is 7:01, so let's go ahead and get started. Call the meeting to order. First item is pledge of allegiance. I aliance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Roll call. Miss here. Miss Dobson here. Mr. Airheart. Mr. Mitchell here. Mr. Arabalo here. Ms. Cre sorry here. Mr. Slay here. Miss Squire here. Mr. Morse here. Chairman, we have a quorum. Very good. Thank you. And you said that we do have a couple of things to add to the discussion for the agenda.

I'm sorry. Yes, please. If we could add um Oakwood, you said Oakwood. Mhm. Preliminary layout, a change of layout. And then um we will call this Hecky Town Homes please. Heck town corner. Okay. H E C K E. Okay. Rem. Sorry. Rem. That's okay. So entertain a motion to approve the amended agenda. I'll move. Second been moved and seconded. Start the voting on the left. I I I I I I I. Motion carries 8. And moving on to reappoints. Congratulations to Josh and to Chuck for being reappointed. Thank you. Josh is kind of quiet tonight. He is quiet. Just want to point out that my attendance is better than him. So noted in the in the record. So and would like to introduce Kendra. Congratulations for he's not going to attempt the last name. Nope. Nope. So congratulations. Welcome to the planning commission. Thank you. All right. Moving on to citizen participation. I didn't see anybody sign up, but that doesn't mean you have don't have the opportunity still. Nope. All right. Moving on formal commission action approval of the minutes from the February 6th meeting. Move that they are approved as

presented. Second. It's been moved and seconded. All in favor? I I All opposed. Motion carries. 8. All right. Moving on. Election of planning commission chair and vice chair. So I have the instructions here in front of me. So the process of making formal nominations are as follows for the chair. Chair request nominations for the chairperson. Nominations don't have to be seconded. A person can nominate himself or herself. A member shouldn't offer more than one nomination to a position until all the members have had the opportunity to make nominations. Nominations do not have to leave the room during nominations when the vote is taken or when the vote is a counter. The member can rise and decline the nomination during the nomination process. After each nomination, the chair repeats the name of the assembly and asks, "Do you accept or decline nomination as chairperson?" And the chair can say, "Floor is still open for nomination for chair." After the last of the nominations, the chair will declare hearing no further nominations. Nomination for chairperson now closed. Um, secretary calls roll call vote or vote to be taken by silent ballot. Um that kind of if we have multiple nominations then we might do it that way. We'll see. Uh the chair may determine whether the vote should be a roll call or silent ballot after conferring with the planning commission members present. Secretary will announce the individual who received the most votes for chair. Once the chair has been announced the nominations voting will take place for vice chair and the same method voting for chair specified above. All right. So we are now open for nominations for the chairperson. I would like to nominate Rodalfo as chairman. Do you accept the nomination? Yeah. Okay. Any other nominations? Okay. Hearing no other nominations, we'll close the nominating.

All in favor of Ralph Phil starting voting on the left. I I I I I I I. Motion carries 8 Z. Congratulations, Mr. Chairperson. Thank you. All right. Chairperson, chairman, chairman. I think it's chairperson now. So, I always get in trouble on that. So, be careful. All right. Now, we open nominations for the vice chair. I'd like to nominate Stephen. Would you accept the nomination? Which Stephen? Um, I'm going to decline the nomination and I'm going to nominate Chuck for the vice chair. Okay. Do you accept the nomination? Um, yes. Okay. Any other nominations for vice chair? Josh isn't present, remember? So, present, right? No, you don't have to be present to be nominated. Oh, you have it because it's a decline nomination and then if you're not here for strongly against I I figured he I don't think that he's given us plenty of reasons. I know. Just saying that he's not here. When you when you when you don't show up to the nomination process, it's always dangerous. So, any other nominations? Okay. Close the nominations. Start the voting on the right. I I I I I I motion carries a zero. Congratulations, Mr. Vice President Vice Vice Person. Vice chairperson. Thanks. All right. And I believe that we change positions now. Do we have to do Amy? Do we have to do the secretary or is that just standard? No, I was going to say I think that stays the same. So, well, I thought last time we had to do

it and I didn't know if it was um the bad thing about it, I don't know if she'll accept it because she isn't here tonight. So, no, that's okay. We can do it next meeting if it needs to be done. Mr. Chairperson. Thank you. Hey, aren't you supposed to sit over here? Now, wait a minute. Going to change the bylaws. Thank you. Now, no, that's danger. You just got to have Troy in the middle of you, too. Okay. Okay. Item three, final plaid application, Plaza Village. Mr. Pat. Thank you. And welcome new members and new chairman and vice chair. And uh this is an application for um by painting Broadway for GTI Group LLC. They're um it's 217th in race. Uh we looked at this. It's a duplex zoning and final plat. We had looked at the final plat or the preliminary plaid and then they came back and final plaid two lots on 215th Street. The reason for that was they thought that there was a possibility that they could get going this winter

and get everything going. Well, by the time it went through the process and all that, here we are already spring. So, they said, "Well, we might as well just do it." So, this is the final 11 lots out of 13. As you can see, the first two um do we have that plat she loaded? Well, if you look in your pack, there you go. As you see, there's the first two on the right hand side. If you look at the screen, those are already final platted and we're ready to go. And then around through the culde-sac are the other um 11 duplex lots. Follows exactly to the um preliminary plat there. And they did have to adjust a few things from the preliminary plat on some drainage obviously through there. And this is the one if for you guys that remember on the very north side of it there. The top uh that's a piece of commercial. It's right behind Dollar General. Mhm. And they left that um to explore maybe some sort of use for these duplexes. Uh possibly, you know, storage just for the duplexes or something like that. Cuz there's an ingress egress easement. I'm sure everybody's been into Dollar General and it looks kind of funky there. That's actually an ingress egress easement that goes all the way back to this property. So straightforward follows through and like I said, the only reason they were did the two first is they thought they would get get them in the ground this winter. So, any questions,

comments, I mean, I can go through it all. I I don't know if if every Did you have a chance to read through it, Kendra? Oh, yes. Okay. So, but I'll since we do have some new member a new member and I'll just follow through some of it. the the points. There's uh $300 per permit uh for a park impact fee. Uh there's excise tax of 15.9 cents a square foot or 15.8 cents a square foot of excise tax that will be also assessed on this and that goes with the improvement agreement. The final plat will be submitted to the governing body. uh the final meeting of this month as long as the improvement agreement is completed and they've paid their excise tax. We will not take a final plot without excise tax and the improvement agreement agree on. So, and this agreement will be really easy because we already have one in place because the other two lots that are already there. So, we'll just go with it and make a whole another one here. kind of odd utility easement configuration. It is because it's all the way around on the front and only part of the front or part of the back for the other ones. That's correct. Because it is Everg's preference now for everything in the front. So if you look, there's not these 20ft easements in the back like used to be um because everything will be in the front. And before you ask, no, there is nothing we can do.

And I just want to point this out for Kendrick because she's new. It's R2, which is duplexes. It's not RP2. Now, if it was RP2, the site plan would come in front of us. Since it's not RP2, the just straight straight zoning. That's correct. Right. It's just a straight zoning. So, it's just platted and then they can they they follow the city code, but we don't have control over the site plan or anything like that. There's no site. I just wanted to make sure they're they're still there still required landscaping. Yes. Yes, they are. Well, and that comes up on a preliminary plat. Okay. Okay. Because really what a final plat maybe some of you don't know a final plat is designed for the city to accept rideaways and easements. Um unless it's a plan district then there's obviously some more to it but just a straight plat. It's your rightway easements and we make sure the closure and all that's correct. So yeah, and somewhere in our old comprehensive plan, there's a nice summary between how the distance on everything, right? The easements, the and I think they're larger for R2 than RP2, but there's a nice summary, one sheet summary somewhere. Okay, Chuck probably has it in his back pocket. I haven't seen yellow. No, cat has them in this notebook. Has it right, Pat? There's a nice for summer. There is it'll put you to sleep quick. Any other questions? Then we had the landscape plan already, right? There is no landscape plan due to this. It it it's they're required a tree on every permit and then they also do have to have street trees every 40 ft. Yeah.

Now, I will say on some of these street trees, if you drive up in Wizwell, um I had to adjust those because the distance between the sidewalk and the curb and it's just so close and they're putting in nicesized trees, it's like this isn't going to work in some of those areas. So, if you drive through there, you'll see some of the street trees are actually right behind the sidewalk. It is still an easement, but some of those street trees are back there because they're just I mean, you start putting a pretty goodized tree and you know, it just makes a mess for everything. Plus, it's going to push curb and sidewalk and you know, someday I won't see it, but So, I don't remember Pat what the building setback is for the backs of the thoughts. 25s. 25 for the backs also. Yes. And then so obviously the 25 the 20 foot utility ement plus five more feet then on the ones that are on the east. No the utility ement is part of their it be oh that's correct 20 foot and then 5 foot. That's correct. And it's still 25 and that there even though there's no utility ement with your phone. Yes. Just well and we we are looking at all these setbacks due to there's continual change. Well, the gas company's changing their stuff as well. Um, so a lot of these setbacks, our code does say you just have to have 20 foot in the back no matter what. Well, it doesn't make any sense and when no one's going in it, right? So, it's like that's just a whole and and then it also opens up us. I'm not saying anything bad about fiber companies, okay? But if they see an easement, they're taking

it. And so if everything has to be in the front, it might as well be in the front. Mhm. And what do you think is driving EverG's desire to move these easements to the front? Because then they don't have to get their trucks off the road. I mean, it it does make good business sense. There's no doubt about it. you know, they can pick up a transformer, set a transformer in an hour instead of getting in their little machine with tracks and if it's muddy and all that and tear down fences and I was going to say, but that also needs a new fence line in the back. I mean, if you're No. Yes. Yeah. Where in the front you're not fighting dogs or Right. But then visually, does it mean you're going to see more transformers in the front? Yes. That's what I was going to say. Then what about our our aesthetics in the front? Yeah, I But doesn't every have to back if that's where the utility easements are? No, they can refuse to. They're not going to customers. They can refuse to do this. And it's everywhere, guys. It's It's going to be the whole metro area. So So what does that I mean, we need to finish this. Let's finish this. I have a question. We can have it in discussion if you'd like. Don't let me forget. What about trash service? Is it per city? Yes. Okay. So, there's there'll be individual sewers, individual water, trash, and everything. Yeah. on duplexes. Um, now I say this, but there has been a few screw-ups in the past, but on duplexes, due to the ability to sell each side, and we make them constructed where there's a fire shaft through and meets all the requirements that each side can

be sold. Uh, we require a a sewer tap and line for each side as well as water. We have some of them that are going in that were platted way back and it's a single stub and the stub's over here on the lot and they're putting the house here and this one goes clear over and down and across. Well, the only choice we had is to allow them to run that person's sewer line in the rideway because if you take off across their lot, you know, can you imagine plugs up and they go and dig all this out and people say, "Well, you got to put it." Well, no, I'm in an easement. You know, at least in right away you might tear the sidewalk out, but at least you'll be in it. So, Any other questions? Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Any discussion? Pretty much follows the original plot. So recommend approval to city council for FP-25-1. Second. All those in favor? I start on Yeah, we right. Left. Left. Sorry. I I I I I I I I Thank you. Discussion items. Oh, we got Thank you. We added um discussion. Oh, two. Oh, it's a discussion. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, I'm sorry. I thought it was a that Did she give you the my fault? The one?

Yes. Okay, we'll start with that one, please. This is Oakwood Face Five. I'll try. Oh, look at that. Uh we all know where Oakwoods is at. Um so currently if you remember this was the layout for duplexes and what all the you know we had discussed the connecting and luckily they're doing the streets and all over here to do these connections in. Well, they would like to change this to all fourplexes here. It adds 51 units to it. And what it also Well, that's can't really see down here at the bottom. They would change these all to single family instead of duplex lots. And then right here, well, I'll let me go to a different one here. There we go. This is a little better. You can see that these would be all single family lots here. Okay. But in a portion of it there, they would like to put an amenity package. This entire Oakwoods was approved without an amenity package. went way back in the day. Mhm. Um and as we know, it it had gone belly up and then went back. Yes, it is by the pool. That's correct. Just ask. It's fine. You'll you'll learn. Just ask. It's not a big deal. So, it's right uh west of the pool. And what they're getting concerned about

is, you know, they've already had some concern last year. You know, the pool was full a lot of times last year, and they want to make sure that their people um or this subdivision, I shouldn't say it that way. This subdivision uh has amenities. So, let me go back to Well, I'll just run through them. I don't like going back and forth. So, this is kind of what it is. We'll come back to this. Okay. Here's what they're uh existing, what they're building now out there. What we really didn't like is this way back door here and all. So, this is what they're proposing now for this next phase. If if um you desire to go forward, the doors are pushed up a lot closer. There would be a one unit would have a double car and the other unit would have a single car. Then these doors are here and there's a door right here just like this one. Um, so it's a three. No, it's a fourplex. Yeah, two here, one and one. You can see the door. So it's not there. I knew how to zoom in. Now th this one I made a joke with them. I don't know if they liked it or not, but I said, "Are these in Jamaica?" But um these but the truth of the matter is it's the sun shining against it. It's really not yellow. So um but this is the design that they're doing in I want to say Belton somewhere over there. And this is the design that they would do. I mean, they're their layouts are all the same, but I preferred this than all lapsiding and all. A picture of the

back of them. I don't know. We'll see here in a minute. Is that real brick or that just Oh, it's slapstick. That's what I thought. Yeah. Um, no, I do not. I guess when we go back through I I don't remember one, but we'll see. Okay. Um, so they're gonna go to the to this one here. The one at the bottom. Well, I in the meeting, Amy and I said, "No, I mean, it's all ultimately you guys's choice, but this is the style that we felt, if this would go at all, would be the style that you guys would choose." So, um, and that looks those the doors in the center. I think he said 5 foot. 5 foot. Mhm. These are all 5 foot setbacks. Well, we'll look on maybe one of these plans here. So, this is the interior of a two-bedroom single car looks like. So, this would be the downstairs and then this would be the upstairs. This is the single car. And you can see the distance there is not very far. And I believe he said 5T. This is the front door. Uh, this would be going up. You would end up going here. Bedroom, bedroom, and bath and bath. Uh, downstairs half bath. Did they give square footage on them? I think they have some. Say again, Mary. Square footage. I think they do have some here in a second. uh three bedroomedroom with the twocar. Obviously, the bedrooms are up again. Uh and you can see that small

distance right there, which is a lot nicer. Now, this Yes. Here's the square footages. Currently, what this is a is a market rental. Oh, I guess I can read it right here. I was going to have to walk up there and read it. So, currently they have a two and three and three and a four. As you can see the square footage there. And then you can also see how much they get for rent out there. And what they're trying to do is take the rent rate down just a little bit. So the one one car is,00 round figures, two car is 13 round figures, 1288. And then those would be the rental rates. They have an awful lot of people that are coming in that really need under that $1,800, $1,900 a month rental rate. So that's what they are trying to target. I've talked to I'm sorry. labs or basements. Uh it'll be a combination because it's just like we have a combination out there now, right? But so so instead Well, the cost effectiveness of how it lays. So in your lower areas, they'll put in their basement. I gota it's um a lot of people don't know, but there's probably 70%ish in the existing that have basements. Um, I I'll be real honest with you. When they first started out there and I had to do a few inspections, I was shocked. Every one of them I went to was basement. I'm like I didn't I didn't think there were going to be that many. So, this will be a combination on how it lays out. I thought you meant within that forplex it was a combination. I was

like, how are they doing that? Oh, it's communal living in the basement. That's why I said what? So, uh, sorry, I'm tired, Pat. I had kids today. Okay, this is a pickle ball courts and a real nice, um, jungle gym, whatever package. This is really nice. They have a pool area that you can rent. Um, everything's enclosed in this pool in its own room, mechanical room and all. So, it it is nice. And I think we have a little better. Is that to the east of the development or where would that be? That's to the east. Yes. Right here. This is This is the pool's there on the other side. Pool's right down here. Okay. Yep. So, it's north of pool. It'd be northwest of the pool. That's correct. There's a development. Oh, and the reason they're making this large and because you'll I think they have another picture of it here, but they're going to take all of Oakwoods and allow use on it. You say it's an indoor pool? No. No, it's not. It's just all the equipment's indoors and it's own separate. What we've been finding sometimes is they've been putting their chlorine equipment all in the the in the whole main body and then it makes for a mess. All their chlorine and everything will be its own separate building. Okay, this is the building for the proposed amenity. You can see it is pretty nice gym and all a kitchen area. They have an area where you could and I don't think they're even going to rent it out. I think they're going to let them use it uh for family gatherings and things like

that. And then they'll have the office for the whole complex in here. So that mechanical is not for the pool. No, it's mechanical for this building only. That's correct. Here it is. This is they've already built this in I believe at Belton is what he said. Should have paid more attention where the and so this is why they already have they already know their cost and what they can do and all. And it is a very large pool. It probably be one of the largest ones we have in the community. And then these are pickle ball courts. So you can see you set a pickle ball court in the pool or darn close. And then the playground equipment. Are they gonna have something like hours for the pickle ball court? Sound barriers. So the Oh yeah. So as you can see that was we did talk about that is they uh revised the drawing for us. And this is all going to be uh head hedge hedge. You can see it's different colored and they added that in there. I'm sorry. Thanks for telling me that. I forgot cuz we did it was over in the park or prayer village or something. They had to go read you a bunch of things because the noise or uh why I asked I saw it. Yeah, cuz they were up like 9 10 11:00 at night playing. Oh, I'm sure they'll have some hours. I don't see any I don't see lights. Yeah. No, they they were not putting lights. They did say they will not put lights on it. So, this would just be during the day. Hope the shelves. Yeah, right. Kids with flashing lights. Some of those pickle balls are glow-in-the-dark. True. It's a CE development. Um, you know, they've done quite a bit here in town. So, we'll go back or unless you want to see anything else here. And I mean, you

if you think it's something that we can uh talk about and look at, you know, obviously you'll get the entire package, but um we really just didn't want to just throw it out there, you know. Do you think the u the access the access to the east will would that be in place before this construction would begin? Oh yeah, they're they're doing it all right now. Oh, okay. That that's all the work that they're doing right now. Okay. Yeah. Super. Well, they'll have two of them in place. They'll have this one and that one in place. Mhm. Yeah. You you remember that the neighbors that was their biggest concern was the construction traffic. Yeah. Well, and you guys I understand, but we spent a lot of time up there looking at that and the police department did as well. And when you can go up right now, I was just up there uh Tuesday, you know, and yes, the construction equipment at that time was very bad and there was only one way in. Uh but um we probably should look at on some of these from now on parking only on one side cuz I was doing this all the way down through there about 7:00 at night. Is that a city code or is that through Well, what we do is if so desired, the planning commission would say, "Hey, can we look at this?" It would go to the safety committee. the safety committee would run the analysis on it and then get back and yay your name. Is there is there a way that we can put in some type of a storm shelter since we're going to go ahead and they're asking or intending to build the clubhouse that we can ask for some type of a shelter? We

can ask for the construction of that to meet some some portion of it or something to be uh storm sheltered. It's for those that don't have the basement. Exactly. And and we hope that I mean I you know used to be when I lived in garden and all and didn't have a basement cuz I actually started out in the trailer park. I would actually drive to the neighbor, you know, and that's what really kind of gets me more is, you know, some of the I'm sure neighbors will open their doors, you know. I understand. I do. And and we're actually working with the new code on some requirements on slaves. I don't know if you guys watched all the weather last night. You know, Lake City, Arkansas was just flattened. Um, so that was just one. There were several and there's quite a breakout uh outbreak tonight as well. So yes, we're looking. I understand that. And our next door neighbor, we always brought her over and we took her to the basement. I get that, but not not all. I mean, as she got up in years, it was getting to where it was difficult to get her there. So, I'm just saying that there's some that may not be able to do that and and that is very good to have a place in there. So, we'll if they're at the pool and that that's something that we can ask. I mean, if they're at the pool and it comes in, at least they can just go or if they're at a event in the clubhouse, they can at least that'll be at least safe, right? No, we can ask for it. We can there's no problem with that at all. Now, if you guys decide to go ahead with this, then we can say, "Okay, they like it except this, this, this, and this, you know, bring that to us and way we go." And Pat, it's already zoned RP3, right? Is that right? And

that that Kendra RP3 is multif family. Oh, no. Oh, no. No, no, no, no. So, we'd have to resone. It's zoned R2. Remember, we just did this for duplexes, not So, we'd have to reszone. That's correct. Yes. And they're wanting to do a plant RP. We told them they had to. Yeah. Well, you can see all the variances on the construction styles and all. And that's why they've put all, as you can see, that's blue and that was added later. Uh we said it has to be an RP3 district. One good thing about this is uh well, let me show you real quick. Not much green space scattered throughout. They met it because they had this big chunk and then ran down through here. Now look, good green space between everything. Mhm. Utilizing this with trail system. I'd be curious to see what the backyards look like when they Yeah, we can. We can. Well, they will be unless it's a basement. They'll have a small deck, but we can get that picture. Yes. I think originally it was they had that little wall in between the two. Was it on these ones? Little privacy wall in between the two back doors. That was the duplexes. Yeah. My guess is if if you drive out there now, that's about what it would be. And I can't remember to be honest with you. I think they do put a small fence area. I think the two on the ends tuck back and the two in the middle have a fence area in there. But we'll get the we'll get the back picture. It we just didn't want to throw this in there and if it's if it's a no, it's a no. You know, we

just have to know from you guys. I I don't really have a problem with it. Just my opinion. I think it's well designed and it's probably a good spot for the RP3. Um I think that the coming up closer with those doors is pretty nice. Oh yes. And Pat's throwing this out here to us so we can kind of give him some feedback before they actually bring us the site plan. Resona first, right? A little Oh, yeah. We'll go through all the steps and a little perspective. This right here in the corner, that is 169 highway. see it now. It's a good spot for it. So, and isn't on the west side north of 69 169? That's like a marshy area or something. They really was difficult to try to do anything with them. We had to put a bridge in there if they were going to do anything there. Oh, yes. Up here. Yeah, remember. Well, and the other the other thing that I think is good about it is this row and they're on each side. You can't. We cut that off. I apologize. Of single families now. Because the other plan it's duplexes up against single families. Yeah. I like that. It's It's more open. The duplexes. No, I transition. The transition's a lot better. Yes. If they're adding amenities to it. Yes. And you look at it and I know 51 units doors is still quite a bit, but just from there to there Yeah. just the green space alone in my opinion opened it up a little. Mhm. And it looks like if you really just kind of look say, well, okay. Yeah. But they all this green space, my lands, they couldn't have gotten 50 more 50 more, but they just just 51 more. So yeah, it doesn't bother me that it's

because the layout just makes it look so much different. I think it is. You're going to have a lot more green space. They're going to put in the walking trails. And then the other thing is, and I know, you know, it shouldn't play into our thought pattern, but it does. Um, right there. Right. The price is pretty nice. You know, somebody that needs to move. We've got have a variety. Mhm. So Pat, are these um forplexes lower square footage than what they were proposing before in terms of There's your square footage right there. The same. That's okay. So they are smaller. The top, right? And is that what's freeing up the additional space since the density the number of doors is higher here? No, it it's you're getting four on a duplex lot. Mhm. That's really what it is. They're going two stories and over. Yeah. Yeah. In all the living areas upstairs. That's correct. And you can see current is the top that are already all constructed and all rented. Mhm. Uh they have one building I think left to complete. Maybe two buildings left to complete, but they're all called for. Uh and then the potential down at the bottom that would be the size, square footage, price range, everything. Mhm. They I mean we can't really ask for much. They put this slide together. They've told they told us everything, guys. The only uh objection I think you might hear potentially from the neighbors who are concerned about traffic would be the addition of 36% more doors in that same acreage. That would be it. But I think the look of this is nice. opening of the green space, adding in the trails, adding in amenities in the pool. Obviously, that's a carrot for the community, for the single family. Well, you'll have to remember also all those

neighbors that were in about traffic and all will now have an amenity package. They have something they're getting something they didn't get. The truth matter is about 7 I think it was 66% of the place I rented. It It's like So, they were not happy when they came in. Yeah. I'm sorry. It's like between the congested R2 duplexes and then this new design. In my opinion, it is. You know, you take a look at and I mean, really, you look, they're going to have the walking trails and yeah, a lot more area here. Um, I'm not trying to sell it for them. I'm just telling you. And this is the existing. Okay, these are the existing. And then this would be the proposed set back on those existing doors. Uh 25. Oh, you mean the existing doors? Uh well, that's a full garage there. So 20 foot say at least 20 or 20. That that's a full the newer ones. So five you can see. But you can see there. But then if you look at this, you can see right there is that door. So it might be seven on some of them, but for the most part it's five or seven. A lot better. Put it in code to where the doors couldn't be that far back. Oh, I don't think so. What's that? It's not in code where the doors can't be that far back. Well, okay. Don't don't mix them. Yeah. Plan district. They can do anything they want. You approve it, right? On a regular on a regular district, you're not supposed to set the door back over 15 10 and 15t 10t. But on your plan districts, and that's what this one is was. And this will be also, but this was a plan

district, two kids a and they are putting back doors on everything. Believe it or not, th this square footage of homes do not require a back door at all for exiting purposes or anything, but they did put them on there. So, I I don't know. You know, I was pleased with them laying it all out on the line. I mean, even the rents and everything. Yes. So, it's really kind of in your court how you want me to proceed with this. Well, how you want Amy to proceed with it. Maybe let's bring back a full package. I've just got a question and observation. So, Mhm. And I think it's the original phase one, maybe the single family, which is off of 215th terrace, and it's the area where you go in and it's it's captive where it's just a square that you go around and there's one entrance and one exit. But when I've driven through there, the the setbacks to the garages, if there's a full-size truck in front of the garage, then it pretty much blocks the sidewalk. Mhm. And I noticed that like people can't really use the sidewalk. Okay. So, that was approved in it was either 20 2002 or 2005. Okay. So, a long time ago. Yeah. Well, so so this because it's from in the same area, it it's has greater setback and plenty of room for the a car in the driveway without impeding. And there's two differences on this and I one of them I really should have um I forgot all about it. These are going to be public streets. Where you drove through is all private street and I don't know how many calls city hall received this year when they did plow the snow there. Oh, and what happened is they had a contractor and

you know it's supposed to be a good contractor reperable does a lot of stuff. Well, Overland Park pays more. So, so but that there's nothing we could have done. Now, these are city streets, so they have to meet that setback requirement. Can can that that can those private streets contract with the city or not? No, we don't. We No, for cash. It wouldn't matter. Cash. Can you I'm not even you have a road. It's over to access for the highway. The um all this runs down and back through over there to 215th cuz this is Miami County. That's correct. And then these run up to Webster. And if you've been by there, you'll see that that subdivision is being put in right now there. Yeah. And the neighbors that live on Webster are very happy. And I'm serious cuz that was a mess back there. South Street. This one? Yeah. Mhm. Yep. Goes down and then it hits a road and goes up in there. So, so basically your access. Yeah. So, you got the one going out to South Street and then the other two go to Webster. That's correct. Oop, sorry. And, uh, Chuck, I have not checked these setbacks on this, but I was not worried at all because of all the green space in the back. Yeah. If they're if they're not the 25 foot back, then they have plenty of room to push it back another 5 foot. Yeah, it looks like it. So, these are going to be rentals and they're not me

set to be sold individually, correct? Yeah, they'll still have to That is correct. But they still have to build them as they will be sold as individual units in the future. So when I'm long gone, if someone buys one, at least it will be, you know, fire rated. So would you like me just to tell them to put a package together and we'll look at it before a reasonzoning and get some setback? Um Mhm. true setbacks shown in a typical plot plan and things like that. I would go ahead and do it. Yeah, sounds good. And we'll have him put together just like any plan development, typical plot plan, typical landscaping and things like that. So, and I appreciate coming to to the planning commission this early with this level of detail. I think that's helpful. when they were talking like yeah I I'm not going blinded but they they did a lot more than I thought they were going to do. So I mean to put the existing rents and what the proposed rent I thought that was really Mhm. real real real open and full disclosure. All right. Well, we appreciate that. So I'll talk to him about that. [Music] Get me out of here. Oh, no. You got to hit Oh, there you go. Thank you. Get me out of here. Now look at the construction. Mhm. All this is in there. This is where the green space is. That was the whole area. Yeah. Where's the mushy area? Right over here. Okay. Okay. Down over. Are you

ready to go to the next one, Mr. chairman. Yes. Okay. This is Mr. Hecky's uh lot that it's an infill lot. It sits at Where does that sit? Johnson and Madison. Right. Right. Straight down the street here on the floor. So, and looking as you can tell, it's a fairly large lot. It's already zoned. Yes. Um it's already zoned. And what he would like to do is place these two three plexuses on there. And let me see if I can zoom that in just a little bit. So Johnson and Madison. Yes. Two places. It's been an empty lot for quite some time. Um, and might as well not just keep mowing it and get some additional. Now, these will be purchased or these will be uh built that they could be purchased individually just like all of them that we make them build. As you can see, there would be three of them that would come off of Madison and then three of them that would come off of Johnson. Um I I think they have Oh, you can see that. I don't know what's the setback from the street on those, Dan. Yeah. 20 to 25. No, from the street it'd end up about 36 from Addison Street. Yeah. So if you if you were standing on the street, they'd be about 36t back because it's a non-curb street there. And he already

has the plans. Well, and you can see it on here at engineering. Uh where you can see the storm drainage that's already shown. Uh it's the dark line over here. Yeah. In the back. Mhm. That's the design swan drainage. It's already so you did a lot of preliminary work on this. He could go in and build a sixplex on it uh without would you say it was zoned or four? Um, you know, he could build a couple of duplexes on there, but to try and utilize this space the best he can and utilize both streets since it is a corner lot. Uh, this is what he is proposing. Obviously, we come back with a lot more detail. Um, but we wanted to see if if you were receptive to that. So, there's no zoning change. It's it's really just the um site plan. I don't know if I have something. What's the distance from the existing home to the north to this unit here on the left? Let me see here. That is five. Not very far from from the existing house to where the forplexes started. Looks like about 17 foot you're talking about from that duplex here. That's a duplex. I don't know what it is. Those village self storage units.

No, it doesn't. Oh, no. It'll be a combination. No reply. We're the He's going to combine the lot. There's two lots. Is that what you're looking at? No, it's a combination. And I know the the county shows that it's not. But you only get one tax bill, right? Yeah. They've already That's mined it. Even though now that's why we site planning it and all that. You can see how the two lots uh show up now. Could have put two duplexes. One would be facing well just like this same way. Uh but and and the county has already combined them under one taxing and you said four but okay. because your neighborhood because I live right there and and I I had another and that's where hers is. I'm just Where's your treehouse? Okay. So, how is the There's what they look like. You said it could be sold separately. Those lots are going to be those individual units straight down. Yeah. Yeah, two three duplex. So, there's lots of ways to do it, Troy. Eric, let me go back to that. I'm just trying to I'm just trying to understand. No. Uh, so in the back corner where it says lot nine, that could be common space. Lot nine up there, top right hand corner. That could be common space. And down in this could be common space as well down in your lefthand corner. And you could divide those off. You could use those both. That's correct.

But you were saying they could be sold separately. That's correct. So Mhm. Well, that's a question you guys. Would there be any yard with them if they could be sold separately? I'm I'm just trying to No. Common space. Okay. Yeah. So the only yard they get is what's in front and what's in back? That's correct. They're just a slice of a pie, a slice of a cake. That's right. Just like a shotgun house, right? Down through the old parts and all. So he would retain ownership of the common area. No, it would go to a homes association. Okay. You could. So when the it be this is just like a a apartment complex and you can buy an apartment in it. So the out the outdoor would it be shared outdoor maintenance? I was going to say who maintains those lots? Oh yeah. Okay. Through the HOA. Through the HOA. Yeah. This is exactly what they do at John Knox Village except they have 7,000 of them, you know. I mean, seriously, you know, some of those actually do have 1,500 places. Are these slabs or I don't know what other probably one slab and one basement. One slab and one basement. The three units, one slab and the three units, one basement. Here's what the design is. If so, you can get an idea of that. On slabs for tornadoes. Well, that's what we're talking. We'll have to do I know, but my sidewalks and my tornado safety is is my soap box. Well, what we could do is look at taking it's getting sidewalks. You are putting sidewalks. Oh, yeah. It has to. Yes. Yes. cuz I know there's some on Madison already, right? So, what we could look at is require a area underneath the

stairs to be a shelter area. I'm going to So, it's pretty rough. See the grass there? It's an entrance. I'll go back like that so you can see it. Mhm. Um, as it is right now though, it would start out as rental. Correct. Yeah. what we and also well see what they look like. I mean these will most likely have sprinkler system fire suppression. Oh, so but they'll have the fire walls. Oh yeah, just asking. Yep. But our our code doesn't require sprinklers for fire suppression, does it? And the city's code does not. Right. So, why would these have them? Just to go above and beyond. So, the state fire marshall came out with an opinion a month ago that they're saying they have the right to require fire suppression on anything that's three units or more. So, they're requiring it. the fire marshals would. It sounds wonderful. But I think all of you remember the huge apartment fire in Oland Park burned other houses and all. Mhm. Those were all fires present. The ones under construction. There were some under construction that burned as well. That Well, that's what started them, but there were several that weren't. and you can't spray the roof. Mhm. That's what happened. So, and then the other pressure that it puts on communities

like us or well any community even even the big, you know, water one is those flow ratings, right? So yes, we will. Well, we have to comply because the fire department is the one that would say, "Hey, you have to have fire suppression, you know." Um, so so is that going to require a 1 and 12 in line then to the three units? No. Uh, this is going to be a 13R system, which is a PEX pipe system. Okay. Uh, probably a 1 in serves all of them for all three of them. Mhm. Yeah. Yeah. And will the I'm just curious. Will the fire suppression system have water storage and a pump as a part of it? Okay. Won't need that. That's what I was just saying, Chuck. That maybe I the fireflow ratings that communities will have to or water districts will have to meet. Now change there's a bunch, you know, city level. So yeah, but no, they will not. I have a question for you. So those forplexes we were just looking at Mhm. for Oakwoods, will they then require that for all of those forplexes? We had to talk talk with them because the you said the state is fire marshall from the state level or Mhm. is requiring that for everyone. Yeah. Entire state. Mhm. Just recently just uh last month. Okay. It was received. Now don't you know who knows how long it'll last. There are obviously I think there was 200 and something lawsuits filed immediately. So damage and sidewalks does this mean gutters besides sidewalk? We can't curb and gutter it. So just sidewalks. Yes. Okay. Well, that's I mean now what we are looking though I would say I would we can curb and sidewalk. It just a

matter of how much is willing to spend on it. Well, we could but then the whole neighborhood has to be and Yeah, you're right. Neighborhood. I know. I know. I know you do. Um, now I will say that there is a new sidewalk plan to come off of um, Webster and down around through some of those neighborhoods. If it's a case that this is on Jacob's plan to either start or be completed prior, then we would just assess uh the owner a bill on that and he would have to pay the city because we don't want if we're starting a sidewalk project there and we we're we're bidding millennial footage. Mhm. So, okay. But explain to me and maybe you can't explain it to me. Is it part of the code department? If we're doing this kind of work, what kind? This I mean we're going in here and we're we're we're doing lots of upgrade right here. Oh, yeah. I see. I mean, we're not doing it. The owner of this property, Mr. Hecky, would be. Yes. Yes. But if all of this kind of work is being done, I don't think the city think of the right way to Yeah. I don't think the city has the funds to do that. Are we getting a special assessment for the older part of town though to pay for those things? No. Thought there was a discussion about that. The discussion was just like every time that CIP is brought to you guys is that that what was it

$100,000 needs to be spent on sidewalks and that's just a budgetary item and no they they did discuss it a little bit about assessments on properties and all but then take your neighborhood or this neighborhood ood and what you're talking about. This is my neighborhood. So I I'm saying take your neighborhood or Cindy's neighborhood and what you're talking about, you know, those are very large assessments to curb and gutter and sidewalks and all that. And I mean, I think that the city would be more than happy, I'm sure, to do that if, you know, all the neighborhoods signed up for it. Um, this is I thought I'd saw something on that they were that there was some sort of special assessment for our neighborhood. So that's why I was Okay. Yeah. It did talk about it. No, the only thing that the city's now collecting is the the drainage water fee. Well, they're collecting it. Yeah. Some Yeah. Oh, 9,000. No. 900 uh $9 $90 $90 a lot a year right now is what it averages on that. And once they start collecting that then they'll be a if they want if they want they can also use it to do more sidewalks and curb and gutter. They're focused on South Street right now. Yeah. On that. Well, we should look at South Street. And they are. I mean they are. I'm just saying we should look at that. Yeah. Yeah. It'd be nice. It really would to while you're right there and doing all that, but it's just The problem is you have to start at the down furthest downstream

point and then work your way back to the highest point. Yeah. Yeah. And there's a lot of downstream past this. I will bring it up though. Is that retaining wall face Webster then? Retaining wall. Yes. Well, I mean there's those businesses are all right there and all, but it that is to the east. That's correct. I mean, you have the state branch of Spring Hill, but there are no other businesses to the east. An empty lot that empty lots commercially zoned. I'm sorry. Okay. The guy across the street rents it or something. Do you have any uh images by chance of the proposed elevation? No, we can uh Dan can bring those. This is what he submitted this here, but you can get some elevational plans and all. Okay. Well, just need to know how you want to forward if you want to move forward with this one as well. Bring the information and anybody. Okay. I think everybody would All right. So, just get the elevations and all Dan and um we'll get a hold of Phelps Engineering is doing the engineering on it. So, uh, we'll get the ball rolling with all the measurements and everything. So, all right. Thank you. We'll have a few more trees in for I was pull I would have pulled up the site plan, but here's what I get. They always forget to turn that

stuff off on me. Oh, yeah. For me, let me put it that way. And then you go in and they won't it, you know, I don't have permissions. So anyway, call Harold. Yeah, I know what Harold will tell me. So we'll come back with some stuff on that. Okay. Okay, that's all I have. Uh the Oh, wait till you ask me. I'm sorry. Anyone announcements, reports? Don't we have a Don't we have a discussion on upon? Oh, on what? That was the original discussion item. I mean, that was the Oakwoods one, wasn't it? Yeah, that's the Oakwood. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I'm sorry. That's why we started with it. Okay. Oh, she got it on the agenda then. Yeah. I just Oh, it didn't say where it was for. Okay. I just didn't realize that she had put that on the agenda. That's why I asked for both of them. So there was there was only one change really. Yes. I'm sorry. And I think Cindy wanted to talk about utility easements some more. Let me ask you. So in in the comp plan, we've said that we want some of those alleyways. If we do the alleyways, what does that hap what happens with that? Thanks for keeping my mind straight. Have the subject right. Oh, glad I for your memory. I mean, you mean as far as electric? Well, like with every wanting to go to the front and the fiber wear going to the front. What I mean, well, you probably could you No, fiber doesn't care where they go. That's why it bothers us on having those great big 20ft easements in the backyards. Um, you could probably run the gas and fiber down through the alleyways. Obviously, we try and run the sewer down through there as well. Alleyways are a

great tool. should have never ever gone away from, but it's land use. Um, but all the discussion we have is that maybe if the alleyway is a paved alleyway, there's a possibility. The main thing is to try and service their clients as fast as they can without the uh the least amount of destruction, fences, yards, and all that, which from a business perspective, you can see it would makes good sense on, you know, you your transformer blows, you pull up there, you pick one up, you drop one down, and you go, you know. So, well, it's just more of an aesthetic question, but if there's no choice, it's just something we'll have to live with literally. But, traditionally, the alleyways have always had aerial as far as power and foam and all the other stuff. That's not even um Spring Hill is not a classified in the state of Kansas as an aerial community any longer. Well, I had talked to Cat and I said something to Pat this weekend. We were in Lisburg and Cat and look what she did there. And again, we were up and down those alleyways. Some of them were gravel and there was some that were paved and it was like, "Oh my god, I wish we could get these back in Spring Hill. They're amazing." And we do have one that one development you've seen before. It's still on in the works. We're working through. It's just large. you guys moving pieces on it. It It was just nice to be I mean I felt like I was back home and having alleyways and their alleyways went into the parking lots up and down their main drag and it was I don't know. It just it was awesome. I loved it. So needs to get back there. So in the older part of town, are they doing away with

the alleyways then? Are they going to put the power underground? Oh no. They won't ever change it. It's just classifications. What what it used to be is if you were classified as an aerial, they received so much money a year, not so much, a portion of money a year for the maintenance and all of the trees and the poles and all. And then when a lot of that state and federal funding dried up, um, and with the cost of repairing everything when the wind blows or the tree falls down, uh, they've gone away from aerial classifications. So, and you figure the developer puts in everything, you know, the conduit, the pads, everything. They come and pull a wire and set the transformers and still charge them for that as well. But I mean Well, you don't have the same I mean because you're everything's buried, you don't have the same issues with having to replace transformers and stuff because there's not Yeah, that's right. Maintenance costs go down. And now they're trying to reduce even more, having them ride off of some pavement. And really, you just think, look how many houses are going everywhere. I don't know that you could hire enough linemen, you know? I mean, truthfully, it's I don't know. So, I can see their point on it. I don't like the aesthetic part of it, though. That's what I don't like. But, you know, I think it's fine if it's the small transformers that are kind of camouflaged, but you know, whenever you drop a big one, it's pretty slightly Yeah. Those others are just um uh connection boxes. Mhm. And and the large

is actually the transformer as it goes. Right now at 20, we'll cover about four houses. So, you'll see one transformer for four to five houses. Okay. Yeah. Yikes. Anything else? I had one question, which is I noticed tonight when I drove down Ridge View past Fox Hollow that it's now very active in there and I obviously am behind the times cuz they've been doing a lot of work in there. Yeah. So, did did uh did they sell it or did did they finally decide to just develop it? No, it's old. And then the person who bought it or the developer who bought it, they're just going to follow the plat that was approved. Yes. Okay. Yes. And uh yeah, I haven't seen you lately. So um yeah, there's bond u bonds and all issued on that job. Okay. Because I think what you had told us before was that the previous developer didn't feel like it was economically viable to pursue that plan. So it's interesting that someone else bought it and decided it is. Yeah. So Mr. French owned it before and then now uh what's Shawn Woods's name of his company anyway? Sean Woods bought it um I can't remember the name of the company. So So what I'm getting at is if you if you look at each home that each one of them built, you'll understand. Okay. So the nature of the homes may change. Oh, they'll change. Yeah. Tom's French is well, he's been building Kansas City area for I don't know 50 60 years. Hey Pat, do you know the timeline like

you know across from the high school when they're going to they got the roads put in and they're pretty going to start? I'm guessing they're going to start building the homes dependenc they they've actually started or put in the next phase and I think they're going to put in the next phase as well. Um, one of the interesting things entire Kansas City, I'll just say Mid America Regional Council area is that, um, if you have developed lots sitting there, um, in all different price ranges for a price range of homes, they're very sellable. the um so oh that's something I can bring up that um I don't know if Amy sent that out on email or not the state of Kansas uh just passed a bill 26 I I'll have to get you the bill number but and what it did it put a timeline on the amount of time that could be spent on reviewing plans and development plats and all that if it's not completed in 60 days. And I say completed, if you don't have a re a good review in 60 days and it hasn't moved forward like through planning commission, things like that, it's automatically approved. Automatically approved. Yep. Well, and so you know, obviously we don't drag our feet on anything here. Um, you mean approved by the planning commission? It's approved. They take it up to the county and give it to the city on a plan. That's correct. Visit it and look at it. Have to slow. It is approved. Now, right now, it's only for

residential construction, any type of residential. Uh they took the commercial and industrial part out. Uh I think commercial will be put in next year and then probably industry following at some time. Industry is a little different. You know, you're working with a lot of things. You know, you might need to bring in huge gas lines or something, you know, sewer, water, whatever the case is. But uh yeah, they these cities were just sitting on stuff and but that doesn't include if it the planning commission goes to city council then has to go back to planning commission doesn't like if we've already started the process doesn't include that. So it you you can only it yes it does include that process. Uh if we have not gotten the comments back to them, okay, and adjusted back. Everything has to be to them in the 60-day period. And it can't be and there's I I can't I'll send it to you guys. I'll have Amy send it to you because uh and it can't be, you know, comment about something and then comment about something else and comment about something else. You know, they're saying the process has to go and get done and they're pretty serious about it. They're going to watch it. So, what if it's voted down? Well, that's a whole different story. you know, then they have an answer and they can and come back or they're trying to avoid tableling it for like 6 months. Well, and and the truth matter is staff sitting on them running through the process and you know or or also a utility saying, "Yeah, we got to do this

study and that study and everything else." And so that's what they're trying to eliminate. cuz I've went up and listened to them and some of the places I won't mention but they were talking you know some of those plats been sitting up there two and a half years. Oh, that's have been bouncing back and forth and one of them up there, well, it's a very close per neighborhood. Um, kids in the street. By the time they got back to the governing body or something, they had added some other tax on to it that was a million something. There was a lot of testimony on it. So, it's kind of interesting really. That's why the developers appreciate all you guys. Well, I'm serious. You know, you're willing to look at these things prior to, you know, things like that. Show up to meetings. See, they got it made. And that was something that was brought up. Uh they really did. They said, "Well, you know, every other month they wouldn't have a quorum." And this was a big city. They had they should had a quorum. But anyway, can several u meetings back uh the city council or the staff mentioned to the city council their desire to have meetings between the council and the planning commission as you more about that? Yeah. Um, I'll run through the process of they had talked about the city council having a retreat. Okay. I don't know what you talked about this right there. City

council. It was presented to city council by staff in the basement. So, it was presented to city council by staff. The governing body came back and said, "No, no, no. We don't want to do that. We want to have a meeting with the planning commission and the governing body together and talk about the vision and all that. Um my guess is I mean I don't know really if it would do much good until next year. You have elections coming up. Mhm. And you have four members up. You have the mayor and three members. So, I mean, my that's my gut feeling is they're saying, you know, let's not um you think so, but yes, that that's something they do want to have happen. And I think if you were in a standard election, I think they would proceed on with it. Uh I think this governing body really does want to communicate with the planning commission. Um, but the way people have been appointed and all this, there's actually four positions open. So that's quite a bit. Well, it's majority. Well, it's three council and a mayor, correct? Yeah, that's majority. No, I'm just saying it's not the way you're saying it. It's four councils. It's three council. No, it's Yeah, it's three council and a mayor. But hey Pat, one question just go ahead. Go ahead. Yeah. Where are we on moving the plan comprehensive plan? Comprehensive plan. Yeah. I got a sense from the from

going to that same meeting uh with the governing body that they were sort of wanting to do their own if we weren't going to finish ours. No, that's no they there's same school of thought on that in trying to get back to what I'll just say normal normaly on the governing body. So you know in discussions there really was quite a difference of opinions on how to do this future land use plan. And you know, I could stand there and argue it out for you guys and then in January 19th of next year, it could all change. So I think once that normaly gets in there, you have a body that's going to be there 2 years or whatever then cuz I the truth matter is I do not think that you know we've all looked at the area that was proposed and all that and we've talked about where industry should be and things of that nature. Um and then there is a um I'm not going to say a large but there is a difference of opinions on classific classifications uses in what areas? So, so you're saying that we should not as a as a planning commission put forth a comp plan until the governing body

election is settled next year. That's correct. Okay. So, they put it on hold for a year. That's correct. And and well, it's not saying that we're going to quit. like we we did I did talk to him about going ahead and adjusting all the zoning classifications that we're talking about. So, we have plenty of stuff we can do and all the other things that there's just a lot of moving parts. Some things I just can't say. Just you've got to trust me that there could be a huge area. Can we not can we not adapt adopt a part of this or can we not move forward on some of it that we know is 100% or I don't know. I feel like we're treading water and we just keep treading water. Move forward if you want. I understand. I understand. And some of this is is things that we know that we want. Some of it is. I agree. But then you're going to and I can promise you this. Then you're going to be coming back reviewing a major portion of it again. Now that I can promise you if there's a if there's major differences in the land use map and then we don't waste our time then that's going to be a big deal. It's not only the land use map. Okay. Whatever it

is area that's what I mean the area character areas right area area area oh like area well but Pat I I guess quite frankly if I'm in a meeting with the governing body some of the issues that we've talked about in in terms of the strategic strategic plan. Yes. I'm going to bring up Yeah. And if they disagree, they disagree. But at least we'll have maybe nine people that disagree with them rather than just you. Yeah. Well, I understand. What I'm trying to say is we put the plan together. Okay. And very shortly there will in a short amount of time there's going to be area that we will then have to look at again. I understand I understand what you're saying there. Can we not just at least pass our zones forward that we know that we've changed our zones on? Yeah, that's part of the that's why I said part of the zoning code. We can do that. I mean let's get at least something to show for what we've done. There's part of it that I feel like that that we can do. Can we not please do part? Yeah, not a problem. We'll So that we can we swam some strokes and not just treaded. Well, and and you are the boss and we will do it. It I'm not the boss. Well, I mean, you guys are. You tell us what to do on that. Um, and we'll get you everything that we can get you and maybe now's the time to take and get Kendra up to speed on what the comp plan looks like and what we're trying to do instead of throwing

everything at her in January. It sounds like it was going to change the vision, right? At least she would understand now and then and we're not even on the same page. I understand that. But at least she would understand what it is versus like when you came in and you were trying to dig through that whole notebook at one time. And we will send you uh fill your email. So fill it fill your bucket room. I look forward to being Yeah. The only thing that we were going to move forward on is there was three classifications of zonings that we were going to change. Then we were also going to look at setbacks. Okay. And the other thing that we can still work on is, you know, there's always been a consensus that you guys don't want 40 foot lots. We need to either move forward with that or say, "Yeah, we can still work with it, but don't make it the norm." So, those are just some things that we can move forward on. I forgot he was here. Hi, Spencer. He He listens. God, is he? Thanks for letting us know you were there. No, it goes Makes sense. But then what about you know our all the discussion we had about

mixed use and you know a desire to see more mixed use and in certain areas that all just get tabled because you know without an updated plan we're creating ambiguity developers. I hate to say I hate to say this I cannot talk about it. Spencer can tell you that when I sign these documents with companies or developers, I cannot talk about it. I'm trying to do all I all I can do for you guys. Definitely Spencer on on some of this. Do you feel like that in the next 2 and 1/2 3 months that we'll have a pretty good handle on some of the items that you that we're working on? Let me put it that way. Okay. Right. Just be We're just in a tough position right now, you guys. And you guys will understand someday. I I'm just concerned that I keep getting asked what happened to this comp plan. And I'm tired of trying to dance around why the planning commission hasn't been very effective. Right. I agree. Yeah, I don't disagree. And I feel like some of the comments are coming directly from council themselves. Mhm. So, so to be fair to the governing body, there's anything. And to be fair to the governing body, and Spencer can back

this up, there's a lot of this stuff they don't know and can't know yet. Well, okay. So I I think we've agreed to let staff discuss and Spencer and come back to us in a month maybe and try to give us some framework for understanding the next steps and why if we need to hold why we need to hold and what work we could do and and Spencer already made a suggestion of you know zoning right changes we can do uh setback changes those are the items that we can move forward. I was going to say give us some homework that we can give us work that we can do that when in January we can start working on it or whatever month you graciously give us. It's not up to me Spencer that you graciously that it's not such a dump. It's just that okay we have these chapters done. We can work on the zoning. I know that my plate's going to get really super full in June, July, and August. And I just would like to get done whatever we can get done. We can work on the zoning book. Not that far anything. You'll be surprised. Some of the stuff that we had discussed and all um you'll see exactly what we're talking about. Your guys, this is going to be July, August, September. Hey Pat, you might be able to answer this question. I'm getting asked this in our neighborhood where Josh and I live. They drained the pond and the estates Wolf Creek. Are you aware of that? Well, they drained it half way down. The fish are still alive in there because we me and Bella caught Yeah. They they put a pipe from the new development, you know, across from

Forest Spring. It looks like they're expecting the water to naturally I think drain into the pond into it. Okay. I'm guessing. I didn't know if you knew anything. No. Um Yeah, we don't um Yeah, we don't get those plans anymore since we have inside city engineer. Yeah. No, I I staff might uh but I figured you engineering and uh the engineering inspector. Gotcha. No, no problem. I just thought Yeah. Tell them the name of I don't remember the name. Right. Tell them tell them what the name of that new one is downtown now. Which one? Oh, the restaurant thing. No, the scratch. Scratch. I keep scratch. Scratch. Scratch. Oh, scratch. What's no more bean? They're uh changing the bean into scratch. What? They're going to make it more of like a restaurant, I guess. I just read about it today on Facebook. That's how that's how I heard. And then is there going to be a new uh spill to scratch Facebook? They bought the building. Spill the scratch. They bought They bought the building next door. They're remodeling it. They'll be open the whole time. Very cool. They're going to remodel it. Last I heard. So, it'll be like six months. Same owners, I think. Yes. Um I will tell you that we were notified yesterday that the um metal arc closed. Yeah, that and are out of business. Firework only or something. Yeah. What's that? Firework only. That's who we found out from as a different firework company. But we how we found out they're still

doing fireworks. They're just not open for they're just psy Oh, it's not even theirs. I don't believe so. I hadn't heard that. We had a company in yesterday. That's how I found out closed and they were looking to go in there. wanted to know what the regulations were for that structure and everything. So, I this is just that's all I know cuz it's getting time, believe it or not, for us to start processing fireworks permits and how the life goes. I really do apologize that we can't do more for you guys, but you'll see. Anything else? We appreciate you. Is that all the announcements too or That's all I have. Thank you. All the announcements. That's all you got to do. Thank you so much. Motion to adjourn. Move we second. Okay. All those in favor? I. All those against. Thank you, Spencer. A bakery and everything.