City Council - Regular Meeting

Uh, good evening everybody. Let's call the meeting to order at uh, 6 p.m. Uh, roll call. Mayor Tney is absent. April Lauran here. Jane Rididgeway here. Alex Es Esquidel here. Dr. Pam Sardo here. Gary Chadel here. Can we stand for the pledge of

allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for it stands one nation indivisibley and justice for all. Pam, would you like to do the invocation?

Yeah. Thank you. Will you bow your heads with me tonight? Dear heavenly father, we come before you with gratitude for the opportunity to serve our community. Thank you for the gift of this day and help us make wise decisions for the citizens and the city. And please protect the first responders and keep them safe as they're putting theirelves online for us. And please be with our leaders, local, national, and regional, and in our county, and help them also make wise decisions for the city. We ask your name. Amen. Amen.

All right. Uh, citizen comments. Do we have any citizen comments for this evening? Yes, sir. Kevin McKinnon. Kevin.

Well, good evening, everybody. My name is Kevin McKinnon. the newly elected president of the board of the new Josephine Municipal Development District. I wanted to introduce myself tonight. I have a wide background. I grew up less than 10% of the population grew up as I did. I was a military dependent. My father served in the US Navy from June 44 to June 1971 and retired the summer of my senior year. I have lived all over this country. No one in my family is from the same state. I have no hometown. I have no accent and we're constantly traveling. So, I have a lot of experience in meeting people, talking to people. I'm not shy. I'm second generation Irish and we talk. My working background, I've worked 12 years with a commercial lumber company up in Little Rock, Arkansas. When I say commercial, I mean commercial. Mr. Kaufman dug in deep after World War II. Got in tight with a lot of commercial builders, residential builders. We sold steel girders. We sold pallets of lumber as well. We sold fine woods. U the high school I went to in California before my father retired, I spent three years there. It was a public school, but when he went in 1968, I was a freshman. sat down. The teachers were there to introduce themselves and you select the courses. They treated this public school as a college. You had to you had to declare a major. They had 17 majors. They had four years a school. We had a 20acre farm just off the campus. They had a four-year auto shop, plumbing, electrical, wood, and carpentry. Then you had what I chose was college prep. They had pre- nursing, premedical, so

forth. So you selected your major. Now everybody had to take the same, you know, reading, writing, and arithmetic. And then after you chose your major, you had to choose a minor. And it was one of those majors that you choose as a minor. And I selected metal workshop. And then for two years, I chose carpentry and woodworking. Now, we didn't build little birdhouses to take home to mama. We were out in the city nailing down tile, roof, building frames or redo poor homes to help them out. It was on hands on so I know something about construction company and how to work. I also have a background in negotiations about 35 years with the auto claims industry. I ran a compliance department. I ran a claims management team and so I negotiate with other attorneys and so forth to get a settlement. So we're going to be doing a lot of that with the MDD is discussing with builders that come in. We're going to try and negotiate and bring in a lot of karmas. What do we need? We need tax dollars. And what are you the city council going to do with those tax dollars? you're going to put it out to the citizens to bring them amenities. They would like to see parks, recreation, so forth, better streets, you know, better water lines, sewer lines, and that's my pledge to you and the MDD that we're going to work very hard to do that. We need your assistance. We want to work with you. I don't want to butttheads. I don't want to work against you. I know this is new for everybody and we don't want you to feel like somebody looking over your shoulder. So, we want to share information with you, work with you. I want to know what you would like to see. I come out here two years ago from Bedford, Texas, Tarant County in the mid cities. I know what they've done in that town. I don't want to see Josephine turned into Princeton. I don't want Josephine to

turn into Ulis, Texas. I look at Josephine as a hometown I never had. Josephine, given the history of this town, Jo I look at Josephine as the daughter of East Texas. I would like for that to be a motto someday. She is the daughter of East Texas. I have a daughter. I know all fathers want to protect their daughters. As a city council and the MDD, we want Josephine to have the very best that she can be. And so working together, I think that's a dream we can make come true. It won't happen overnight, but it's something I think we can all work together. And I want to share it is I have sat with Miguel last week for two and a half hours and talked with him. I met with Chief Graham here and spoke with him for an hour. I've got setups. I want to meet with the public works director. I want to meet everybody. I know there I'm told Miguel is like about 14 lots within the city that the that the city owns or 14 places for business that possibly zoned for business.

Yeah. I mean there there's commercial tracks within the city. I don't have the full number, but we we will make us the available land catalog available to the MDD.

I'm going to walk those plots. I want to see them personally. Okay. The more you see things, understand things, I know what can go there. My number one objective for our board is we got to have a grocery store. Okay. Walmart has what they call neighborhood grocery. If you never been to one, there's one on 66 just before you hit Lake Hover where the Chase Bank is. You look up, there's a cops of trees right back there. It's neighborhood grocery. It's their grocery footprint minus the dry goods and their farmer sey. Sometimes even have one bank teller for their bank. That would be a really triple threat we bring in here. Why do I say this? Because if you've ever seen the movie Field of Dreams, to paraphrase it, if you build it, they will come.

Yeah. and we're looking forward to working with you and and doing everything and moving forward. So, we bring in traffic, the more people, professionals may want to set up shop here. So, that's my pledge to you. You ever have any questions, get a hold of me. Let me give you my phone number. It is 817 2715756. You can call me, text me, okay? And I will be there. I've been long retired, so every day is Friday. So you can always reach me. Okay. All right. Thank you very much. Look looking forward to working with you. Thank you. Do we have any other citizens and comments? No, sir. Okay.

All right. Um move on to the consent agenda. Any discussion? I have a couple of quick questions. Um regarding the Kimling Born report. Yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah. Well, well, okay. Regarding the minutes, that's true. Yeah. So, regarding the minutes, I don't have anything. That's the minutes. They're all together, though. Is a consent. Yeah. The consent is Yeah, it's all together.

So, um 3.1, no comments. 3.2, um I just have a quick question on the Kimley Horn report. Is anybody here from Kimley Horn tonight? No. If you'll pose your question, we'll do our best.

Okay. Um, the 64611431 public safety building flood study before the building was built, there was discussion of going getting some kind of EPA comments back and that didn't happen for whatever reasons, I don't remember. And um, there was some discussion about flood before it was built. So, can you explain why we need a flood study now? So, we're just filing it now that it's built. We want to file everything as built. So, this will just show that there were no changes.

Okay. All right. And um fire department. Hi, I have a quick question for you um for the chief. Um we are woefully behind on city council training. Um as part of the fire report, um government code 418.106 says that all local officials must be given clear and complete instructions on emergency preparedness. And I just would like to know what month we might expect that. Chief's not here obviously. He's at another meeting tonight. Good. relate this back to them.

That's fine. Okay. And um finance report. Quick question. Um is the TCEQ fine going to be put in the finance report? No, it is in negotiations with the city engineers. Okay. And I guess that is it for now. Thank you. Can I have a motion? I make a motion to approve the consent agenda. Second.

All in favor? Unanimous. New business. Item one, discuss and act uh to approve an ordinance canvasing the results of the special election for lo the local option held on May 2nd, 2026. Any discussion? No discussion. All right. Can I get a motion? I move that we accept the um election report from the proposition. I'll second. All in favor?

All right. Unanimous carried. Uh 4.2. uh received the monthly engineering report from Dunaway.

Uh yes, good evening, council. Jacob Dupree with Dunaway. So, I'll touch on some of the highlights starting with the development review um for the FM 1777 retail center. We had a meeting with the developer uh just last week, actually the week before last, on kind of some outstanding uh engineering questions that they had and some design items. So, we had a meeting with myself, their team, um Miguel, and actually the fire chief and kind of work through some things. So, we should be expecting probably a resubmitt on their behalf within the next couple of weeks as their engineer cleans up those outstanding items. Likewise, on 610 East Cook Street, the strip center, we had a meeting with the developer and his team on April 28th. Um, and I know one of the big things that's kind of been looming on this one was the uh implementation of a detention pond on the back half of it. And so we had done uh when we kind of got brought in, we kind of did some early analysis on the feasibility of maybe removing that detention pond. Um, and we would need their team to do a little bit more due diligence, but we think there is a significant amount of land in the back of it that they could mimic what we would call sheet flow, which allows the um the no need for a detention pond. And so we posed this option to their team. But we did mention you would be restarting a significant amount of design work um including your team removing the detention pond, showing the calculations that allow no detention pond, and then we're reviewing it and factchecking it on the city standards. And so at that at that decision, the owner opted to he's already at 90 95% completion with where he sits today. he opted to go ahead and keep the detention pond. Um he's gonna have his engineer finish cleaning up everything that's outstanding, resubmit it, and we'll

we'll ideally bring it to completion here uh pretty quickly. So that was what they elected to do. You know, we kind of presented a couple different options to them, told them where they could proceed, and that was what um their decision was. And then we also had a meeting with the Gateway Convenience Store in Sonic. Uh last week we had a pre-construction meeting with them. Um they are aiming to break ground probably within the next month I believe is what they stated and it's roughly about a year to get it all completed and up in service. Um and one item I I needed to add on here, Miguel actually reminded me of it. Um there's a plan development. It's called the Josie Lakeside District. Um kind of been in in the mills for a while which is why it wasn't on my list. It's it's been off and on for a while. Um it's it's a development that kind of sits at the southwest corner of 6 and 1777. Um a significant portion of it is within the flood plane uh where they have to do a clo and so we've been working with them their team as it's been brought back up again to get the clo submitted because it has to have some Josephine approvals tied to it with it being in the city. So, we actually are just coordinating with them over the past couple weeks to get that wrapped up, submitted. And then, um, probably next step would be more substantial items where maybe some concept plans in coordination with Miguel will start coming up where y'all can see what what they're proposing to put over there. Um, on to the engineering design. Again, kind of just touching on some of the highlights. Uh, one of the things you mentioned, I can kind of discuss it a little bit, is the TCQ items. You know, there was uh, a couple of violations that occurred. And so what we did, and I mentioned it previously, was we submitted the SE, which is the supplemental environmental projects. And

so what we've done is basically told TCQ, we realize, you know, there's some issues, but we've already taken steps to address those in this financial figure, and here is what those dollar values are tied to, whether it was chemicals or treatment or fixes of whatever kind. So, we've submitted all that to TCQ, uh, and it's it's in their court right now. And unfortunately, it takes many months for them to actively come back and let us know if that's agreeable. But we've submitted it to them. We've actually had early conversations on, hey, how do you want us to show what we've done? Because the good thing with y'all is you're actively under design and construction, not design, construction for new two wastewater plants. So, y'all are fixing everything already. Uh, so that's where that is. And then, um, kind of going into the North Texas water vault improvements. I think I mentioned last time that there was some project delays getting power to the site with it being so kind of rural. So, they've run into a couple issues with tree clearing and kind of getting poles set up and I think they in the process of tree clearing a pole landed on on their own wire and knocked it down. So, it's just been a couple issues. But last time I heard is um last week that the project's expected to wrapped up in about 2 weeks. And then moving forward on the Milt Street Cat Street repair, we uh finished executing all the contracts. We are working with the contractor to get an on-site meeting with them to go over potential schedule, road closures, what have you, so we can monitor that, make sure everybody here is aware of what's going on. And also we're actively monitoring a lot of the the gas lines going in right now and unfortunately they tend to go in your roadway and so we're we're trying to avoid that from happening and disturbing the brand new road that we're putting down. So we're keeping an eye on that. And then the last thing was the ground storage tank improvements. The city elected to move forward with a bill

million buried ground storage tank last time. So we're working through design on that one right now. So that was a lot. Uh any questions on any of those or anything else? I have several. Um, regarding the north wastewater treatment plant. Yes, ma'am. How large is that? What is the square footage or acreage of that plant? So, the treatment capability of the plant, is that what you're asking about? It's 750,000 gallons per day. And how many um acres does it cover right now in the plan to Do you know how big that site is, Garrett? off hand. I thought it was eight acres.

It's It's multiple acres. I mean, I don't know if it's over 10. 7 to 8. Okay. 7 to 8 acres. Okay. So, um my next question is, excuse me for not knowing, but what is CLR? The uh the certified letter of map revision. What it could be? That's okay. It's it's the flood study for FEMA. It's the one that they use to update the database of FEMA flood plane maps. And so the clo is what they have to do first before they break ground on the property. Mhm.

A lomer, which is the letter of map revision, is FEMA allows them to build within the flood plane and submit the information afterwards proving you have redefined the flood plane to these boundaries and no homes or other businesses would be inside of that.

Thank you. Um, we also continue every month to get complaints about the odor. um can you please give us solutions because it's month after month it's not just de berry but it's the majority of deblaints are coming from whether it's charcoal chemicals chlorine broine whatever it might be what can be done for these residents with houses that are valuable and they like to live there sure the odor keep complaints keep coming in what what can we Now,

so for the North Wastewater plant, um we obviously have some odor control measures within the new plant that will be coming up online. And so the lift stations are going to have, as you indicated, like a charcoal variant for uh air release. And then also, one of the big things that tends to put out a lot of odor is the sludge processing, which is the item we brought last time for the screw press to belt press transition. And the intent is for the operation of that screw press, I'm sorry, operation of the belt press is going to be reduced. And so there's going to be a less amount of time of the sludge processing. Now, for the plant that's in operation right now, we don't have anything being implemented for odor control. it. There's new odor control coming on the new plant, but the existing plant, there's no active design or research into odor control measures for it. And it would be up to council if y'all wanted to move forward on that because within the year that old plant will no longer be in operation. It'll be all transition to the new one that has some of those odor control measures implemented in them.

That's within a year. after this is after the new one's complete or within this year. So the for the Northway Solder plant, the contractor is expected to have actually completion by the end of this year. So in case there's some delays or whatever else, I'm just kind of estimating early next year is when that new plant should be operational. All flows will be directed to it and y'all's existing lagoon system uh will be essentially taken out of service. Okay. So, what would it cost to reduce the odor for the people who are

buying complaints with us every month? We can certainly look into it. Um I would appreciate that. I think do we need a vote for that? Uh I think we need that on the next agenda. Okay. And I mean I can like I'm not going to go do a whole lot other than just kind of researching what odor control measures are available for lagoon systems and racetracks and stuff. I mean however y'all want to proceed. Yeah I think that's a that's a money item for Jacob to actually have to go do. So we're going to have to talk about that on his council that on the next All right. Thank you. So then the next question is how long have wildflower and grandstone be on been on hold because Dear Horton continues to bring us new ideas which is wonderful.

Mhm. But the old ones continue to be on hold, which seems like the seessaw is not going in the right direction. Sure. So, in my humble opinion, as in just one person. So, um, is there a sunset clause in those agreements?

Um, well, we we've got a member of Dr. Horton here. He might be able to give you some timelines on maybe some updated ones, you know, whenever he gets up to speak for Hunt County Mud 4, unless he wants to talk now. But um I do believe Wildflower is still on schedule to move forward this summer. That has been what I've been told for many months now. Um I don't think that timeline's really changed. Uh as far as a sunset clause, I'd have to review probably the agreements maybe with the attorney and see what those would entail. I unfortunately don't have that answer off the top of my head right now. Okay. So, um, if they've been underway for several years and they're not finished in several years, I would like to know about the sunset clause.

Sure. Um, because it it seems like we want to be good corporate neighbors. Mhm. But before we grant new projects in my opinion only, um, it's up to council of course. Um, I would just like to understand better why some things are being held and not moving forward that were directed to us and addressed and promised and now they're not. Sure. So, it's it's a little confusing. Understand? Okay. Thank you so much. That's all I have. Any other discussion? Motion to approve the uh report.

Thank you, everybody. I'll make a motion to approve the uh Dunaway engineering report. Second. I'll second. All in favor? So, I'll pass. Not working again. Oh, is Diligent working? No, it's not. Okay. Thanks. All right. Uh 4.3 present presentation by Jeff Miles representing Dr. for Horton regarding the request for water service and proposed ETJ inclusion for Hunt County MUD 4 located south of Hunt County Road 2664 East County Road of 2656 and along Highway 66 and possible direction to staff Jeff

Jeff Miles Dr. Horton representative Dr. reporting tonight. Um there's a staff report, too. So, I'm assuming that you guys received that as well. Would you like to talk about wildfire first? Sure. Um and it this this really just goes into the overall market that's going on right now. Affordability, the issue, and that's across the US. And Josephine is right in the middle of what we call essential housing, which is the 90% people that can afford that type of housing. And things really went slow down when interest rates went up.

And that's just the, you know, state of the housing market right now, not only in Josephine, but everywhere else. So, Wildflower, that development agreement was done on the heel heels of river of Riverfield. Um, and it was always the plan to build out Riverfield first. Once we got done with Riverfield, we'd move over to Wildflower. And we had all the engineering done. We're all ready to go. And then when the housing mar market started to contract and things slowed down, we put Wildflower on hold until Riverfield. We worked through those lots over there because otherwise we're just going to be developing another project that has empty lots. Driving in, I saw development out here that had empty lots in it. So the housing part of it is what the driver is. And once the housing starts, then the development starts of the streets and the infrastructure and everything else. So I hope that answers your question.

No, but that's okay. Okay. Not sure how to answer your question then. Well, we can we can discuss your mud for report.

So So Mud 4 is um location map is shown here. This is um 144 acres that's located south of Magnolia um on Highway 66. Um this property was in Roy or a portion of it was in Royce City's ETJ. Um this property was removed from their ETJ. He was also in we're in the process removing the water CCN and sewer CCN. I worked with Roy City for three years to try to get sewer out here and water out here and they don't have the capacity to do that. Sewer was the main issue. They were going to provide water through a wholesale agreement and let us build our own sewer plant which we have a current uh valid TCDQ discharge permit to build a sewer plant. Uh but ultimately they decided not to do that and they said you can go work with other water providers. Uh we don't have a problem. So we're in the middle of descertifying them. They've agreed to it. It's just the paperwork is going through with the PUC right now. So after that's done, we're going to have no CCN on the um property, which means uh the water can be served by whoever is willing and wanting to serve water. Um and I'll take that back. There is a portion of the property that's in Cado Basin CCN, not all of the property. So we are also talking Cattle Basin SUD to serve water as well. Um, so I'm here tonight to uh I've been working with Lisa and and and discussions of whether the city would

serve water to this particular tract. Um, and we looked at two different um ways to do that. As a retail provider where the city has and owns all the meters to the residents and they build the residence. uh or a wholesale provider where there's a master meter before the water water lines get into the development and then the utility district, the current um municipal utility district uh will then be the retail provider just like they're going to be the retail provider for sewer. We're open to either way. Um, Dear Horton has probably spent 25 to $25 million on water improvements to Josephine's system over the last eight or nine years. Um, some of the projects we're still working on, some of the projects will be kicked off uh like an additional elevated storage tank once we start on wildflower. Um so um we believe based on uh our discussions with Jacob uh that there's capacity to be able to serve us. Jacob's written a report on some of the line improvements that need to be done. Um and we're willing to do those line improvements and contribute to other um potential ground storage tank um contributions that are being discussed with the city. Um, the other request that Lisa had was, would you guys consider bringing this into the ETJ? And the answer is yes, we'd bring it into the ETJ if the city wants to bring it into the ETJ. Uh, if we do that, um, we would like then to, uh, clarify

regulations between the county and the city. Um, we would just if we bring it in the city into the ETJ, we would just like to use the city subdivision regulations and go ahead and and process all of our plats and everything through the city as opposed to going to both county and the city because you guys have con contradicting regulations. So, that's a very common thing to do the interlocal agreements and I believe you told me there is not an interlocal between this is in Hunt County by the way.

I don't think we have one with them. Yeah, you have one with Colin County, I think, right? Yeah. So, it'd be the same type of an agreement that you would have have already with Colin County. Um, as far as soft services, fire uh is is this is in Kado um Mills Fire Service Zone and they've written a will serve letter and we're going to work with them. Yeah.

Um there's a pending uh emergency services district uh in this area that um we're all for and will help push through wherever we can push through um and to help support that fire protection. Uh as far as emergency um services, ambulance and so forth, there's already a taxing district out there, Hunt Memorial Hospital District. So they charge a tax to all the residents out in that area. So we've got ambulance service out there through that hunt memorial. Um other soft services like animal control, your contract directly with animal control companies that you guys probably use on most of the cities in this area use. So, um, with that, um, I guess what we're asking for tonight is some direction to staff on whether to continue to work this direction and then I think our next steps would be to, um, get the attorneys involved, uh, which we will pay for your attorney. So, that's sign out of the city's coffers to, um, prepare the agreements. So, with that, I'll answer any questions. Does that leave anything out, Lisa? that that needs to be added. You bill?

I don't think so. Council discussion. I have some questions. Thank you uh for everything you've answered so far. Um and thank you for offering to pay for some of those soft services. So, you indicated that North Texas Municipal Water was willing to be a wholesaler provider. Um, so you have talked to them and they have given you a written document that they're willing to increase the water to Josephine to supply you because we have water restrictions. No, I mean that is I haven't talked directly to them. That was the discussion that Jacob had I believe with them or you say stated something to that effect in in his report. So

So they have promised in writing that they're going to give enough water for 900 houses. Um, so as part of what Kimley Horn did a few years ago with their master planning is they did a population projection for the city of Josephine,

not tied to any particular development, but it contemplated a certain percentage growth that would have included, you know, maybe outlier developments like this just in terms of the general city's area to grow and to serve. And so that information is periodically provided to North Texas as part of their regional planning. So North Texas asks their customer entities to provide these projections every so often so they can ensure water is provided to whomever is the current customer of theirs. And so this particular development, there wasn't an agreement that North Texas provided that said we can provide you 900 more homes. But as part of the overall projection for North Texas and the improvements that they're bringing from Leonard to Farmersville and the extra capacity on the 24-in pipeline, it's expected that the city's projected growth is going to still be bet by North Texas. They have not indicated that we can stop growing.

Well, yeah, that's true. But have they given a gallon per day, gallon per minute increase that is that they'll let let us have in 27, 28, 29? Okay. No. They don't generally provide that. They usually ask for entities to provide what their expected growth is. Um, okay. And this is across the whole metroplex that they serve. Um, and then what they do is they pro prepare like a five or 10 year master plan to make sure that they're meeting the demands of all those customers. Okay. Thank you. Um the next question I have is so you have decided that you're not going to work with the Royce ETJ.

It we are out of Roy City's ETJ. Okay. We are not TJ anymore. And uh the next question is um this is involve leaprogging. So with leaprogging with the generosity that you're offering uh to help with utilities and costs for water for s water um are you going is that include the infrastructure between to connect that whole leap area? No, we wouldn't expect the city to pay for that. That's that's our cost the roads and everything because Hunt County is not planning on building those roads for a while.

No, I mean we're not building roads offsite. We will build roads adjacent to our site. If there's a a need for an off-site road, we will do it. We've done traffic impact analysis. We've got two connections on the state highway 66. Okay. So, you're not planning on 2668 26 64 those roads going through there like which from where to where I mean we front some of those roads. Yes. But the last time I was down there it was all dirt roads. They are dirt roads. Yeah.

Yeah. So go to the next sheet please. That's the plan. Those two roads, uh 66 is down at the bottom right. Um so we have two roads that come down into highway 66. There is a spine road that's has no lots on it on the west side there, as you can see, that goes up along the property and then turns to the left and goes out and connects out to that road that's in um Yeah. Okay. 2664 up here. That's a dirt road. That's a dirt road. There's no connections to that road. Okay. So then coming around,

that road doesn't do anything for our traffic at all. This one goes up to 2668, right?

Okay. Correct. And what we may look at doing is on 2668 um improving that road south. All the traffic's wanting to go generally south. Um so there may be something that we need to do in the way of topping the uh existing gravel and the areas or wherever to provide an extra road. But our traffic impact analysis done by our traffic engineer said all the traffic can go down to the highway 66 which is everybody knows is a major improved road

and I appreciate your transparency and honesty between the two of you of reporting what has not been done yet. So there is some discussion that still remains with neighboring land owners is what I recall reading in one of the packets somewhere there there that's regarding the water. If you go back to the water plan uh keep going back right there be in the ETJ is what we were told

that's correct. I've talked to both go back to the next map. Nope. I'm sorry. The other direction and you can't really see it's too much. So, go back to the next one. I'm sorry. Now, there's two properties to the north. I've talked to both of those property owners. One lives in California. The other one uh is in Houston and um I've talked to both of them and they're willing to grant the easement needed for the water line. They're willing to have at some point in the future Josephine serve them if Josephine would serve them water

and also bring their property into the ETJ. Now, I can't speak if they want to bring all their property into the ET ETJ ETJ now or just the strip that where the easement is. I'm going to have to get their concurrence to either bring it all in or at least a strip. But that umbilical strip that goes down the easement then connects to the to to our property. That was that's how the ETJ expands. So there's a connection there. Right now the ETJ is up at Magnolia. So it's uh you can kind of see the blue on this map. Uh the the s most southern blue water lines that kind of have been highlighted. That is that's where the ETJ exists today.

And then from Magnolia 10 is dirt road all the way down to Hunt County. Correct. Mud for Yeah. Is your sewer plant is it going to be your own sewer plant or is it going to be the TCCI Hunt County Mud 3 sewer plant? No. No. It's there's already a a mud four sewer plant permit that's already been approved by TCQ. And are these going to be cheaper homes since you said that like the wildflower and the other one are on

Yeah, I mean these are going to be starter homes. This is going to be a different product than what's been built out here so far. Okay. And again trying to get to affordability. Um predominantly these are going to be twotory homes. They're going to be um the little ones that look like this that look like are narrow homes and what you can think of they're they're they're town homes but they're disconnected so they're not where we have walls

and this is what I heard at the Hunt County Commissioner's Court they're they're so close together that they were really worried about Cat Mills being able to supply and I've talked to the chief at Cat Mills and he has no problem doing it no problem I'm not a firefighter I don't know but that's these homes are 10 foot from each other no different than any of the other lots that we have out in this area. And two story. All these are two story. All two story. Not all of them. Okay. Well, thank you for sharing so much with us today. Quest I got a question. Um the water expense that was mentioned, let me find it.

And I know what my water cost me as a minimum. Can Can you speak into the microphone? Water. Is this supposed to make our water bills go down? Can you pull the microphone just a little bit closer to me? Is this going to make our water bills go down? I wouldn't expect so. Well, I think what I calculated based on the numbers, the annual water bill for these people would be $555 to $611 annually. Mine's $840. I'm just trying to figure out where those numbers came from.

As far as what you thought is water, what we would make from water revenue. Are you talking about the revenue projection under the pros? So that would be the net after expenses would be paid and that's based on today's um okay today's cost and there's also an out of city water um yeah because it should be higher because it's in the ETJ that was what I was kind of

just considering at buildout it's approximate u what we think we would net after all things are paid what we would receive in revenue. It's an estimate. What kind of businesses are we planning on that? One of the caveats was oh we're going to get sales sales tax. I don't see any businesses in here. That's sales tax that you are potentially projecting off of online sales that are happening within these houses. My understanding is you can collect a portion of that. Is that right?

Yes. Uh there are a lot of online sales where the point of sale is considered where that item is delivered. So lots of Amazon and other deliveries. Cell phone bills as well, right? Yes. But uh anytime a a package shows up at your house, um not all of them, but a lot of them will be subject to sales tax. And so even being that close in Roy City, it won't go to Royce City now. It go to Josephine. That's my question. If it's in our ETJ, it would be part of our MDD. It would expand and we would notify the comproller and they would receive um a map. And how does Amazon get that information? Zip code. They pay to the state of Texas. Comproller actually does the diving out of the money once it receives into the state

to the zip code 75189. They No, it goes it's based upon the map structure. Okay. That the comproller uses. Okay. And what percentage of the homes are in floodprone areas? because you've got some dotted lines through some of these lots. Well, we're not building any homes in the flood plane if that's your question. Well, it just shows the rectangles together. And what I'm maybe it's maybe I'm not sure what you're looking at. There there is a there is a there is a drainage way through the through the property. Go to the next plan, please. Yeah, there is drainage way through the properties. Um, yeah. So,

the engineer has done a flood study that we will give to the city to review. It looks like on Ren Court as well as Sparrow as well as Blue Jay, there's some lots that indicate they're in flood area. That's that's the before case and then there's an after case. Where's the after? I'm not sure on that map. I don't have the colors on there, but we can certainly provide the study to Jacob and let them review that. So, we we can't sell houses in the float plan.

How many employees will we adding and how much um how much more will we be spending in salaries and benefits, TMRS, that those things are very important. I remember one time, Lisa, you said that this is the gift that keeps on giving. And I'm not sure that I want to give anymore until we can get a grocery store. Well, sewer sewer and water facilities um are the gift that keeps on giving because you have the forever maintenance after that. Um I can't tell you exactly how many employees we would need. Um

but that goes into the cost of the water, right? I mean, all those employees, TML, all that goes into the cost. paid out of the cost of the water. So, um, Melissa did some estimates and I thought our I thought the salaries were paid out of admin. I didn't think the salaries I thought the water and the sewer revenue were for maintenance and all of those things to whoever whoever touches it. Okay. Whether it's public works or a little bit of finance time is spent on it. anyone who spends time on that, a little bit of their salary would be allocated to that fund. And as we're trying to not raise our tax rate right now,

I'm just kind of wondering about that because that was one thing that Jason was I mean, and I realize this is down the road, but we're still going to end up it depends on which way we want to do this as a council, right? I guess and that's really the topic of conversation. So in my mind, we wouldn't do anything that would impact our tax base for the Josephine citizens. This would all be going from the water district itself that we're charging. There wouldn't there shouldn't be any impact, correct, on the citizens of Josephine for this. This is all done through fees. Correct. So the admin like anybody in the utility billing, their salaries would go and be taken out of the Hunt County MUD for fees.

Yes. An appropriate percentage. because I didn't see things like that happening on the budget right now. That should be happening in the current muds, right? In the current budget that way. Yeah. Does it happen that way? Yes, it does. It is published in the online budget book. Okay. I'll go back. I'll go back and look. Shows every employes. Yeah. So, so for this item, I'll have you show that to me. Okay. Okay. So, then for this item, what's our direction to council? Do we want them to continue to move forward with the Horton and work on a water plan or do we just want to say no? I'm going to say no.

What kind of guarantee do we have that this pro this is going to get into our ETJ? That's what I care about. Oh, we'll have an agreement that we're going to get put it in the ATJ. You're not going to serve water until you it's in the ETJ. Yeah.

So, This is just another revenue stream for the city if we go forward with it. So saying no is just saying no to to a revenue stream. the the benefits that I see are um approximately a half million dollars at at today's dollars uh for revenue um extending that ETJ. So there is influence over development um using our standards or a little bit higher standards even though they're not in our city limits they're close enough that you'd want to as much quality development nearby as you can get. Uh it does enable the MDD sales tax to be captured. Um if we put it in the development agreement, there could be a future annexation many many years after debt's paid off or not. Um as far as economic development, um you know, we could count those numbers in our service area and and I think that would help

get us closer to a grocery store. Yes, sir. Yeah, I think that's I think we're close enough to a grocery store now if we go out and market. And then we have talked about no numbers, but we have talked about possibility of um perhaps working with us on a some kind of contribution or cost share for our immediate storage needs for water.

I think my problem is with all the amendments that we've had with Dr. Horton over the years and the muds over the years that we start out with something and we go this is the way it's going to be. I mean we started out with Riverfield 30 acres of commercial that we're going to get and what are we down to now and you were the one that helped negotiate that. It's like everything always changes and that is why I am very apprehensive on this. There is still 30 acres. Riverfield was two projects. Riverfield as you know it today and Wildflower. And between those two projects, the commitment was 30 acres. That has not changed.

Okay. Okay. We've got some small retail sites out in front of Riverfield now that are for sale waiting for somebody to come swap, buy them, and develop them. And then there's a 26 acre site out in front of um 24 acres out in front of Wildflower that we're we're going to bring into the city. On FM6, what's that? I said on FM6. Yes, ma'am. For a grocery store. I'll have to go back and look at that map again because it sure didn't look like that.

I mean, it's earmarked for a grocery store. If you guys want a grocery store, there's a site right over there and it's got water to it and it's got sewer to it. So, we have not brought it into the city limits yet because there hasn't been somebody calling saying, "I want to build a grocery store there." The agreement was though that if commercial was brought in that the city would get half the sales tax unless that got changed. That hasn't changed. Okay. We're bring You're all the You're going to get all You would get all of that. So, you get all the sales tax. The agreement that was excluded from the district, correct? so that we could It's not even part of the mud. It would be part of the city.

Yeah. So, the original agreement was it was all in the mud and that you were we're going to do a strategic um ETJ agreement where you're going to get half the sales done. Okay. So, which So then when we amended the agreement, we said we're going to bring at your request, we'd like to have that tracked into the city limits. We said fine, we'll put it in the city limits. You get all the 24 acres. It's about 24 acres. Don't quote me on that. Which which amendment was that? Because I think I missed that one. I don't know off the top of my head. I can send it to you, but I don't have it at the moment.

Of wildflower. It was an amendment. It was an amendment of Riverfield. Riverfield again was both properties and then we things got so confused. screwed up with when it went from double arm mud 2 to double RMUD 28 or two and one Riverfield River and I'll be happy to come in and sit down with you and go through all those if you ever want the uh long version of the story. So, well, I I share some of Jane's apprehensiveness, but for now, just to put an option out there, I've looked at both and I'm going to lean on one. That's where I stand. um only because of of the of annexation

and and I I will say um unless you know something different option two which is the wholesale or the bulk supply uh we can still annex into the ETJ you just won't be the water provider inside your ETJ. So So let me I don't unless there's some legal reason why you can't do that. I don't know. So I don't think so. Um, let me address the wholesale idea to you. On the wholesale, it would just we would just have one customer. So, it would just be um the mud. The mud. Yeah.

Uh, so we wouldn't do do individual billing and we wouldn't have the confusion that we sometimes have about, you know, who's our customer versus who's one of our in city residents. So, that part would be uh simplified. Um, we hadn't really talked much further about that, but it it is another possibility. We would make some revenue. I don't know exactly how much because we don't have a set wholesale rate at the moment. So, we'd have to look at that and we'd have to figure out what that rate is. It would be less than what the retail rate would be. So, it is an option and I would assume we'd still get the the MDD tax. Correct. If they're willing to come into the ETJ and that's part of the agreement. Yes, sir.

So, option one or option two would be feasible to kind of look at and investigate and the next steps. Yes. We've we've spent actually many months kind of going over I think every single option inside and out. I just feel like at this point I can't really go any further without council direction. So um are you looking for us to say option one, two, or three or none or what are you looking for for direction from us? I mean if you have questions we're happy to try to get questions answered and bring those back to you. Um you don't have to make a decision on one of these today but I need some kind of direction because I don't want to waste um you know any more anybody's time. staff time or anybody else's time if it if it's going to be a no. Okay, April, you were going to say something.

I have a question. Um, we've talked several times about the the different um phases, the different um areas that have issues with the water bill. And y'all said that each time you have somebody new come in, y'all are sitting down and talking with them and explaining everything to them. How much has that situation changed with people complaining about the water bill since that has started? I think it's much improved. Much improved.

I was like I can from new mud residents applying. It's giving it them all the information up front and trying to like make them sign a term agreement and seeing that disclaimer if you will on there. We have it's dropped I would say 90%. Okay. But there's still a few that you know they sign and there's a few people that sign and don't read it or understand and then we go into that conversation. So I think the only big change was when the rates were and they didn't that was it and then the new but now it's changed a lot now. Okay. Longterm which one's better for us as a city financial question.

Option one. Yeah. Did you say option one? concern. Yes. Financially one. I have a question. This Dunaway letter, why does the first page say October the 2nd, 2025 and the second page of the letter say August 20th, 2025 when at the bottom of the letter it says this evaluation will be valid for 6 months after which a re-evaluation may be required. There is a disconnect in this letter. And that bothers me too.

Yeah, I think it's just a typo. August 20th on the second page and October 2nd on the first page. Yeah, I think the uh the October 2nd date is the correct one. It just didn't get carried over on page two for August. What did I miss on that? I think he's saying there's just a typo. It's just a typo. So, I start my letter. I'm writing it to you on October the 2nd. Mhm.

2025. Typing my letter. Next page, Miss Secretary. I write August 20th, 2025. On my second page. No, no, no. It's a um Well, that's what that is. Correct. but it's a header. And so the header tries to updates dates on its own using the Microsoft format. And sometimes if you don't catch it and fix it, it keeps an old date in there. Well, it's interesting that if it would have been August, it would have been too late after 6 months. That's Well, it is it is seven months. So,

technically, this letter would need a re-evaluation because it is seven months at this point. There's just no need to do that unless we want to think about moving forward. And if if you want us to get more information, we can bring more back. But um I think u between Jeff and I and and uh Dunaway, we probably just can't I'm not comfortable carrying it any further unless we have some kind of direction from council.

Pam, we haven't heard. What's your thoughts? My thoughts are that there's everything in the packet is legal documents and so I encourage updates and accuracy whenever possible. I understand we're all human can make mistakes. I do. I make mistakes myself. Um possible financial con uh contributions, possible discussion with neighbors, unsure about the um Pam, they're they're trying to figure out if they want to move forward with it. They can't move forward until we give them direction. So what they're to get rid of the possibilities, Pam, we need to be option three for me. Option three for me because there's not enough information that's clear.

But long term is is is that best for the city? Option three. I think we can come back and visit this in five years and it'll be the same situation. April's getting ready to give her opinion. Please. I really want a grocery store. If this gives us headc count for a grocery store, rooftop count for a grocery store, and we get sales tax for the MDD, that's also going to help us with businesses. And okay, Jane, any other discussion? I don't think these houses are going to be built for another six years.

Okay. if it moves the way that these other things have moved and I don't see how that's going to help us get a grocery store.

Let let me address just a little piece of that. Of course, I can't tell you when you're going to get your grocery store, but as far as these development agreements and the timing for building homes, um if you'll you'll look at different cities, I think you'll find the same thing that sometimes these agreements are developed well in advance and we can't always control the pace of development. So, you know, they may sit on the books for a while until the market is just right. But the agreements, you know, that who's going to serve would be in place and that would stand. Now, if enough time goes by, uh, new studies would have to be, you know, required. It just depends on what else is being developed in the area.

But I think all parties understand that, um, you know, if if say three years went by, we we definitely would have to update those studies. We'd have dear Horton update pay to update those and then we'd make adjustments accordingly. Any other discussion? I guess my question would be like if we moved forward with say option one um would we have all the things in writing that show all of the things like they're saying that things weren't followed through with um we would have all that in writing. Yeah.

Right. we would work on a a development agreement with them and our attorneys and um all things like financial contributions um the ETJ annexing all of that would be in those and the subdivision rules all of that would be laid out in that development agreement and then you would get to look at that and then approve it. It would come back to you. Yeah. there's no action more than just we're given direction to the city to say yes, we think at this point move forward,

right? It's just does it make sense to get heavy attorney involvement and additional studies and and the rest of it until we know if you want to serve it or not. So my question would be like if this did end up taking instead of say two years if it took six years like where would the and it may not and it may not be 9 it may not be that many houses in six years if they come back with amendment and they say we can't do that many houses or we have to make them even smaller because that's what happens every time. But we want to have an agreement that's best for us that allows us to have the control and influence. Correct. And that's putting it into the ETJ.

And that's putting it into ETJ. So that's why I'm leaning on option one. Any other discussion? All right. We have three to move forward with options one and two um and two against. So the direction from the council is to move forward with the discussions at this point. Thank you.

Item uh 4.4 four. Discuss Riverfield Mudfor park plans and potential maintenance agreements within the city, including proportional cost sharing for maintenance and possible direction to staff. Uh I'll introduce it real quick. So, in one of the um one of our development agreements, it does talk about the Riverfield Park being being able to be used by the public. So, our Josephine residents in addition to the mud residents. Um but with that there was a very broad statement about um cost sharing or maintenance uh for maintenance. So we've kind of we've talked about that as well on both sides. Um we I think what we've talked about was um Dr. Horton's kind of proposed a proportionate arrangement as far as the cost. So there's not a lot of people living in Riverfield just yet. Um and there's more in the city limits. So, at this point, we may end up with more of the cost share if we went that direction. Um, Magnolia is a different mud. So, my understanding is that they can't really contribute as far as the mud being um having a financial contribution because it's separate. So, we'd have to wait, you know, for our end of it to go down as far as cost. we'd have to wait for um Riverfield to build out a little bit more and Wildflower to join in and then we'd have less cost uh on the city side of it. Um so this is just a uh we've got a proposed um plan in front of you that has a couple of baseball fields, uh pickle ball. I did reach out and it was after this agenda was published, but I did reach out to the baseball association and they're going to get back with me. um it might be a another option rather than the city having a direct agreement or maybe there could be some sort of combination of agreement. Um our concern about maintaining the fields is we really don't have anybody here with the

expertise for the field maintenance part of it and we really don't have the staff to do things like a reservation system and I think those fields will probably be in big demand. So that's kind of the city's hesitation. Although I think it would be great for the, you know, our incity residents to be able to use it. I also don't know how you police who uses it and who doesn't use it. Um if we if we do or we don't have an agreement with them. So even though Magnolia may not have a part in um financially paying for it, I don't know how you would stop them from using it. So there's going to be

Let me let me ask you a question on that. I mean that's and I say this respectfully that's really silly if I was a person driving through the town coming to Josephine the destination city because I'd heard so much about it. I'm vacationing and I want to come to Josephine the destination city and I see this beautiful park. I'm going to go to the public park. That's great. Why would you keep Magnolia out if it's a public park? I'm not trying to keep them out. What I'm saying is because they're a mud, they're not able to go back and add this to their MUD arrangement as far as contributing it financially. They got their they win, okay? They get a nice part.

I'm not arguing with you. I'm just trying to tell you the facts on as much as I know. I mean, if if the others come in, that's fine, but our I think our people deserve to have baseball field back. A couple of them. That'd be really nice. Well, they they're very much in demand. And as far as having somebody take care of it, I did a little research on that. To get somebody with the expertise isn't going to cost more than $40,000 a year. 4050 at the max is a ground is a groundskeeper, a specialized groundskeeper. Anywhere from 1375 to $25 an hour. We're already adding staff

and the person can go and still work in the parks part of the city. It's not it does it's not rocket science. Well, they've also agreed to buy us some equipment up front. Um, now we'd probably have to talk about, you know, as time passes the equipment gets worn out and there be some replacement costs. Um, this is just discussion. Yeah. I guess the question is is so is the MUD just unwilling to pay for the park that they've got in there or they want to shut it out to everybody? I mean, why why are we looking at a cost sharing thing at this point? Because it's in the agreement. Okay. Did you read the Second Amendment? I'm sorry. I I don't know that we could keep our Josephine residents out of it. Right. That's what I'm saying.

I I don't know. That was one of the reasons that we approved Riverfield is because we were getting this beautiful park. I I'm sorry. I've got a memory like an elephant sometimes. The the point is that I'm trying to make the cost sharing though regardless it should be based upon a percentage not by the number of people living in Riverfield. Right. Well, I think you can bring that up with Mr. Miles as far as how we might approach sharing if there's another way if he wants to do it. Not based on population, but another another way. We got $300 per lot for a park upfront and then in the rest of the agreement it talks about maintenance.

So then what's the question? What what's what do we It sounds like y'all don't want to do it. Who Who's y'all? I I don't know where this

saying it would cost I'm not against it. the city would pay a little bit more on our end now and as more residents are added it would shift to where there would be more cost share. At the moment it might be a little heavier on us than it would be on the Riverfield residents as far as cost share. I think you're looking at at one I don't know maybe Garrett can help out a little bit maybe one more employee as far as grounds maintenance. Um I don't know on the fields. I don't know enough about baseball fields or whatever to tell you if we can do that or if we need to hire an additional person, but I I don't think we have anybody on staff currently that has experience with the field maintenance. Um, so we've got some things we can work out. I'm not saying we can't do it. I just there things that we need to talk about. Just don't lose sight of it for the citizens because I know that we've got I'm I'm all for having baseball fields. I'm not against baseball. We did get a we did get an email suggesting that at this time, quote, I do not believe this arrangement's in the city's best financial interest.

As far as the population and the shift with the payment, it doesn't look great in our favor as it's proposed. If there's an alternative means to maybe us paying less and the Riverfield paying more, the mud paying more, then I think we can revisit it that way. Just what's been proposed to date doesn't really lean in our favor at the moment, but at a future time it may. Yes. As Riverfield's built out in Wildfire gets another 3,000 homes. Yes. That will be on the smaller end.

Could Could I divide the pie a little bit differently if you don't mind? um our wonderful parks and trails plan and the county plan. We had a report that we're woefully deficient. I agree that we need some parks and trails, whatever that's going to look like. We have also a brand new legislated group called the Municipal Development District. And yes, there's an entire body who absolutely say number one priority is to get a grocery store in here. But if there's a shortterm fraction, some kind of discussion that could be proposed to split the pie a little bit further. There might be some opportunities. Also, we know that there's grants, parks and trails grants every year. As far as my search has been that between a few grants, between splitting the pie with an extra slice in there from another group for looking at different opportunities, I would hate to walk away saying no today when there might be another way to split the pie.

I I'm all for looking at possibilities. is I'm just telling you as it was proposed, it didn't lean our favor today. Um I'm all for having the baseball fields. I know they're needed. I still think it's worth a shot at talking to the baseball association. Maybe they can help us on our end for a little while until those other developments are built out more. Um if you want to talk to Mr. Miles about maybe working the, you know, the proportions a little bit differently, but I'm all for having the fields. I'm not opposed to any of it to be honest. What what I look at is I look down the road, you know, and and I look at today and I look down the road. Today it does it looks like it'll cost us more than it will cost the mud. Down the road it'll lean the other way.

I don't know how fast the development you know we talked about wildflower being delayed. I don't know how fast it will shift the other direction. It may take many many years. Do do we know council wants to do it where we can work it out. Do we know when that when that shift will happen? And at what house number built would it shift? Probably not till we got to Wildflower. I mean, I think all of Riverfield would need to be built out today. About half. It's about half. I mean, look, we want to build homes. I mean, I mean, we're in the business of building homes. So, if we can sell them tomorrow, we'd sell them tomorrow and have it done and start on Wildflower. So

this part I just want to clarify all of this that you see on here is going to be funded by the mud or the developer. So no capital improvement as far as making the the facilities. So what we're talking about is well there's two parts of the maintenance. The maintenance of pushing the lawn more and doing that but then the other thing is when you get baseball fields that's a whole different thing as far as scheduling. Mhm. You just can't have a baseball field sitting out there and somebody just runs out there and starts using it. Uh where you know that that probably would take a person

that's the other thing and if the baseball association can step in you had mentioned that like in our last conversation that would be perfect because they can come in and they can run the fields and if they would maintain the fields and then we can just contribute to them to maintain the fields that would be great. I'm not expecting these fields. I mean, I don't know how pristine they need to be. I mean, there's there's different levels, right, of maintenance. And so, uh, but when you've got fields that have back stops, clay infields, um, and you know, grass that needs to be mowed, and you know, there is some there is maintenance that needs to happen for sure. Um,

the parking lot is already built. We've already built the parking lot. It's sitting out. Yeah. And and they've added at at our request, they've added some things that weren't on there originally. So, we talked about uh bleachers and we talked about um

a restrooms and I want to just perfectly honest, restrooms are very expensive to build. They're hard to maintain um because somebody has to clean it and then they're hard to secure. I'm not a police officer, but if you've got a restroom, you know, do you lock those doors every night? Someone has to go over there and do that. What I what I'm proposing or what we're proposing is to actually build an enclosure and put some portable toilet type restrooms there. They do this down in the park cities of all places. There's a park down there that has no matter with the portaot. I mean,

yeah, but it's a nice looking enclosure. I in the community I lived in, they've had those type of restaurant restrooms forever. But somebody comes out there and they take care of it, right? And it's a small enough room where it's not probably a security issue. discussed to the possibility of putting out pad sites for concessions so that food trucks could go out there or uh the baseball association maybe they would sell some concessions maybe they could even make a little bit off of that that there would be a place for that with electric there another question is um because we're building houses in phases can we build the park in phases so like one baseball diamond instead of two or start with a pickle ball court instead of the baseball

Well we're willing to build it all I think I You're going to need two baseball fields based on what I heard. We might as well just go build it all. So, you're saying all at once? Yeah. Yeah. Because everybody the construction guys will be out there anyway. They're going to be out there anyway and nobody will change their mind. Yeah. And regarding Magnolia, I I don't I'm sorry. I've been here too long. Regarding Magnolia Mud participating, they Magnolia Mud doesn't have any reason or any D. There's nothing in there that says they can't participate. Mhm.

It's just a matter of asking them and see if they want to participate in this. And I've told Lisa that we would get the mud attorney to ask their board to see if they want to participate in the maintenance aspect. Okay. I don't know what they're going to say. Can we find out? for sure. Riverfield and Wildflower that they have an obligation to pay their fair share of maintenance. Can we find out how much it would cost to have somebody like schedule those fields and stuff like that?

Can we add it to the city scheduling thing that we're doing today for You're laughing at me. No. Well, I'm just saying for I' I I've never been an adult and played baseball. I've always done it as a youth, so I just showed up to the fields. But I don't know. I know it can be very difficult scheduling facilities like that. Software for everything. I'm sure we'll need software for it. Okay. How much how much time does it take to schedule the community center? It's a full time. Just could some We need a chatbot. So So you couldn't hire someone to do all the scheduling schedule.

Yeah. So we probably need to center that would simplify it. We we need to look at that. We need to put that on a future agenda item. Find out how much it cost. We have three softwares to schedule. I can look at it for sure. Because that would simplify a lot of things. It could all be done online. If if I may interject, if there is consideration for a specific league or association to operate the park, the fields on behalf of the city or mud, it would be best for that organization to exclusively handle the scheduling of the fields. And that's even like the baseball association.

Yeah. Okay. and and normally those have an agreement with cities or or HOAs to run the facilities and the fields and they take care of all the operations. So that's one less headache. The city or partnership in this case would maintain the fields but you don't have that staff workload of doing the scheduling. Why don't I talk a little bit more with the baseball association and Mr. Miles can talk a little bit maybe with Magnolia and maybe we can bring this back to you in a month. I believe that I think that's correct. Yeah, everybody agreed. All right, that's what we're doing.

Um, generally though, are we happy with I mean he has talked about options as far as the park itself? Are we happy with the two baseball diamonds and the pickle ball fields? Um, weren't they going to put in uh disc golf as well? I don't know about disc golf. Um, staff it didn't say disc golf. It said four soccer fields. I think there's multisport fields. I think the soccer is kind of over there in the corner and I think we decided it could be used as kind of a multisport, not just soccer, but multisport. We did talk as staff and we would prefer there not be a dog park. So, they did remove that for us. Yeah, that gets difficult.

Yeah, the disc golf that there's plenty of lake area around that that can be added at some point in the future if that's a somebody really wants that done. I mean, I think this whole area can be a very nice park. Um and and it's got walking trails. It's nice. I mean, it's really nice the way it is, but it could be a whole lot nicer. Yeah. I mean, everything else is passive right now, right? These are more act. This is active. So, now we're trying to figure out the active component of it. So, all right. And we could add concession stand area and food truck area.

Yeah. We actually do a little pad off to the side as you drive in, but we'll when we get to construction plans, then we'll make sure that works. That's right there where that number eight is. so pickup can pull in over there, but if that needs to be bigger or whatever, I don't think you can have more than one concession truck out there at one time. But that's my own opinion. Um, we just need some direction that generally you're okay with the components of this plan so we can kind of then figure out, okay, what's the maintenance part of that?

I I I would like to see a future site at some point to put rest actual restrooms out there. And chief, I mean, we're we're doing the restrooms now at this park. Are those electronic locks that are out there, or are you having an officer lock them every night? Okay. Manually. Okay. Okay. So, I mean, we're already doing it for one. I mean, it's no big deal to drive down the street and do it together, right? I was on the park city for 5 years. I'm waiting to try to apply for the plan. I could provide some comment on this. Sure. Good.

Yeah. My name is Mike Chapel. I'm uh working with Miguel to to be on the member of the planning zoning committee. Um some of the the hardships we were facing in Roy City and what we're going to run into here uh it's not really going to be a park for the city. It's going to be a park for the baseball association. And when you ask the baseball association to come maintain their field, they're going to ask your residents not to be on their field that they're maintaining. And we actually moved across the street in Royce City from Fox Fields and um we had a city ordinance in place saying that the fields would be available to the public and they had shut them down and it went back and forth and I had to pull the ordinance. This was off season. This wasn't even during the soccer season and and the committee was trying to to play that. Uh, and then to touch on the restroom issue, uh, restroom was a very large complaint that we got on the parks board, and I don't know if you have to race city, we put a couple of those concrete, uh, they they did, I haven't been on the board for a while, but they did end up installing some permit facilities against their financial interest, but based on the feedback that we got from from the residents, they really don't like the port.

No, I would agree with that. Whatever. Thank you. Yep. Pleasure to meet you. Yes. Nice to meet you. All right. Um it's a direction to um do a little research. Bring it back to you again. Yes, please. Sounds good. All right. That was 4.4, right? Okay. Um 4.5. uh discussion, consider an act on an interlocal dispatch agree service agreement uh between uh the Josephine Fire Department, Colin County and providing patch services or providing dispatch services at no cost to the city.

Uh yes, this is a an agreement that was previously held by the volunteer fire department and now that it's the city department, uh the county has asked us. So, it's essentially a renewal of an agreement that's been in place for a long time. is just now on the city side versus the fire side and it does not cost us anything. Yeah. And it's a pretty straightforward agreement. I'm pretty pretty aware of it. Any discussion? Yeah, Gary, maybe you can answer. Okay.

Um, what if the backup is down in the county? I mean, it was very clear that there's no promises. They may have to do maintenance. There may be something that breaks down or is down for whatever reason. What is the backup? You could probably answer this better than I can, but isn't there redundant systems in there if a tower goes down that it it actually leaprogs off the other towers? Yeah. And my other question is because I just don't know. It differs from the police dispatch. They're two different groups. Okay. Two different groups. All right. Thank you. Okay. Can I get a motion? I move that we act on approving the interlocal dispatch services agreement.

Second. I'll second. All in favor moves forward. 4.6. Discuss and consider an act on approving the Oh, sorry. That's one. Oh, yeah. No, sorry. Uh, discuss, consider, act on approving an interlocal agreement with Colin County for the city requested road improvements with agreements for reimbursement in full for labor, equipment, and materials expanded by the county.

Yes. So, the county does kind of all these agreements about the same time as they enter their budget season just like we do. So again, we've had this agreement in place for a long time. Um we have not used it in a while just because it's easier, I think sometimes for us to go out and um select a contractor ourselves and it takes the county sometimes a very long time once you put in a request to actually get the work done. But it is nice to at least have it there as an option should we need it. So we only pay for what we what we agree to. um if there is a road to be improved and we want them to to work on it. Any discussion?

Um two things. One is I'm very grateful and appreciate the fact that it talks about payments from current revenue as opposed to having to generate revenue. Um, on page three, section six, notice under conference under disputes, the third line from the bottom, uh, due to our former government just want a little, um, minor tweak that says city administrator instead of manager, so it's accurate. I get that change for you. Thank you.

Okay. Any other discussion? Can I get a motion? I make a motion to accept the road improvement agreement with renewal with Colin County as revised. Second. I'll second. All in favor? All in favor? Moves forward. 4.7 discuss ownership and maintenance responsibilities and costs associated with the upkeeps for Reed Chapel Cemetery aka Josephine Cemetery. Mayor Proim, uh, the mayor asked to put this item on the agenda, so it'll be up to you, of course, but you may want to wait until his return next month. All right. Everybody in favor of tableabling till next month? We can do that.

All right. Motion's tabled or items tabled. Uh 4.8, open public hearing for case um number zone- 520 Milton Street, Plan Development. Honorable Mayor Pro 10, members of the city council, Miguel Clan, city planner for the record. Um, this is a res a planned development reszoning for a uh retail strip mall at 520 Milton Street. Um, as we prepared the public hearings for planning and zoning commission and and tonight the applicant requested more time to uh revisit some items that were discussed in the development standards that the staff had drawn up for this project. specifically and um they're asking to continue the public hearing to next month and we'll bring back the updated exhibits at that time.

Okay. Any objection? All right. It's it's uh moved to next month. Do they need to make a motion? We need a motion to You have to actually open it and then continue. Yes. All right. Then I open the public hearing at 7:26. And then you can make a motion to continue until the June 8th city council meeting. I make a motion to continue the public hearing until the June 8th city council meeting before a second. Do we need to ask if anybody in the audience? I was going to say I think we need to see if there's anybody here to speak and then close it and then make the motion. Would that work?

Anybody here to speak? Okay. Now, can I get a motion? have to close it. Do I close it? Because we're going to continue, right? Continue it. Yeah, we have to get the motion to continue, right? Yes. Yes. So, the motion to continue. I make a motion to continue the public meeting for Milton Street until June the 8th. Can I get a second? I'll sec. All in favor? I close the public meeting at 7:27. I continue the meeting to the next Okay. It's hard to get that one down. We're not used to it.

All right. So, so we're good now, right? Anything else? All right. Thank you guys. Uh 4.9 um consider the appointment of the members of the planning and zoning commission.

Um Mayor Bill, members of the city council, um we um had three applicants for the position uh open positions. Um this afternoon, uh Mr. Cody Walgrren elected to resign from the commission. He was not going to continue after November and he graciously said just set aside earlier to allow an opportunity for one of the applicants to become a another full member. So, um, with that said, we currently have three full member vacancies and, um, while we had three applicants, the commission voted to recommend Miss Chelsea Young, one of the current alternates, to be promoted to full member. So, um, there are two applicants present for questions if you if you have any. Uh if not um then I ask that you um make a motion to appoint three full members and one alternate from the pool of four people.

Okay, Miguel, could you help clarify me? Okay, so it looked like we we need an odd number or not necessarily. So there are five there there shall be five persons to serve as full members and then up to four alternates. Okay. And Cody stepped down. So now you have and Chelsea stepped up. Well, you you would need to act on that. Okay. Yeah. So So the commission asked that or recommended Chelsea for one of the full members. But it is up to the city council to make that decision. So

tonight what you would be voting on would be appointing three full members and one alternate. So the question before us is the count or the the the commission's already looking at Chelsea. I'm assuming Doug is the is the other full member that they they put forward to recommend, right? They they did not. So what they said they did they wanted to give you the leeway to pick from the three candidates for the remaining position. Okay. So does any council member have um opposition or pro for or against any of the other three you guys? No. and thank you. Thank you for stepping up. It's it's important and appreciated more than you know.

Okay, so we have Patrick, we have Tony, we have Chisia, and then we have the three candidates. So that would be six and we need five and one alternate. Yes. Yeah. So I mean I'm I'm for Doug getting back on the the planning and zoning. Doug, I like his water exper or his sewer experience basically. Yes. Yeah. He'll he'll definitely make sure that it's coming to us very well vetted. Okay. So the question is is between uh Michael is it chapel okay and chalisia we have to I'm not opposed to her being a full member

member because she has been involved in zoning a lot of the time and then Michelle is is city oriented. Okay. And that's why I would go with her, I think. But I really liked tell you a little more about Sure.

I, uh, I grew up in Grand Prairie. I'll try to make this kind of brief. Um, but, uh, I lived in Roy City for 10 years. I went to college at UT Arlington. Um, I moved out at 18. I put myself through school, bartending, uh, couple jobs. Uh, I became I went to school for architecture, got my masters, bachelor's and my masters. Um, got married about 12 13 years ago. About the same time I got my architect's license. I'm a nationally board certified architect. I work on projects all over the country. Um, I've dealt on the user side of planning and zoning. Uh, not a lot of most of my career has been finish outs and I did a lot of Chick-fil-As. Uh, but when I worked on the Chick-fil-A, we would go into these high fallutin developments and have all these rules and, you know, you gota have this material here, this material. And so I've read a lot of the, you know, the code language and and the requirements and as well from a zoning, you know, I've read lots of zoning ordinances. I don't 40 in the well into the tens. I mean, I can say hundreds, but uh, but I'm pretty well I'm definitely wellversed u in what's going on. And like I said, I I served Roy City proudly about five years. I was a cub scout uh master of faith for two years.

Uh I was on the board of our uh boys preschool saint Episcopal's uh St. Paul's Episcopal over in Greensville, Texas. Okay. So, and uh yeah, I've got other licenses and I'm licensed in like four different states. Thank you. I think I bring a lot of experience and I'd love to help and provide share some ideas. And and for the record, Miss Miss Michelle Beckesy could not be here tonight due to a work emergency, so she apologizes for not being able to be here to answer questions. This is tough. And and you probably already know um council members, but uh alternates are are welcome and encouraged to attend every meeting and if someone is absent, they step in. Yes.

Okay. Do you have a I will say we we were privileged to have a pretty good applicant pool this year. Yes, we are. And and also for the record based on the ordinance that establishes the commission, every member of the commission's term expires with the mayor's term. So you may elect to either reappoint them or have everybody reapply. It's going to be up to you. But we'll have that discussion probably in in October.

Well, I'll make I'll I'll make a motion. I'll be brave here. Okay. Um I move that we move Chelisia Young to full member. I move that Doug Thomas be a full member and I move that Michelle Geski be a full member. and I definitely want your help as an alternate because there are lots of times people are absent for many reasons. Um, that's my motion. I'll second that motion. All right. All in favor. All right. Motion carries.

So, thank you. Thank you for sharing. All right. Um 4.10 uh receive monthly planning report from city planner Miguel followed by discussion. Um

members of the city council, um if if you have any specific questions, it's a pretty lengthy report, but unless you have any questions about any specific item, um things are moving pretty smoothly, I would I would say. Um, Jacob touched on a lot of the projects that we're working on. Um, and um, I anticipate, you know, the reasoning to come back next month. The UDC uh, open houses are happening this week. Um, we put out the, uh, public input form. No responses so far. We'll keep blasting it over the next couple of, you know, days during that public comment period. Um, does anybody have questions on my report or

The one question that I had was you said miday for the food truck park. Do we actually have a date we're going to see the first truck out there? So, we we we were scrambling a couple weekends ago to get it going. We reached out to the vendors that had originally responded. Unfortunately, a few have mentioned that they wanted like permanent hookups and like to be parked here permanently. clarified. Mhm. That's not the intent. So that no response since then, but we anticipate having the

we're going to do manual scheduling for the time being because we only have four slots. We can manage that. Um and we anticipate having that over the next couple of days to get that going. But unfortunately, a lot of the trucks, you know, I I reached out and you know, no very limited response. Not sure if um the agreement requirements scared them off. I I really don't know, but but we'll find out more. Okay. Looking forward to that feedback. Got one quick question. I didn't get a chance to send you an email. You had said we're waiting on text dot text. Paris. So, have we called them? I can bug them.

I reached out last week as I was or prior to prepping my report two weeks ago now. And uh they threw that at the last minute that there's a waiting period typically six months. So I know that's expiring sometime speed. They like to have a gap and you know unfortunately text dot is text. I can't control them but um I was a little disappointed because they didn't tell me that a couple months ago when I requested the new one. So um I'll be following up and pestering them until we get a a a date on the speed study and we will keep you posted on that.

Well, okay. I'm going to give my opinion. and it's on the record, but it's okay. Um, if they're going to delay, the number one vacation time in the cold country is July. I hope they don't do it in July when everybody's away. We'll we'll check at the timing of that and if it comes to that point, maybe we delay it until September. Yeah, maybe we might have no choice. Being in the school year might help. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. And and know and I I'll say that cuz it might That's okay if they'll wait till August. Okay, that's that's fine. You you understand what I'm saying? Yeah. No, I agree because we've had that issue in other cities before. So, you you can tell them that we've had a whole lot more animal deaths on the road, too, than we have.

Okay. I have one quick question as well. On your economic development planning items one and two, yes. Um, is it possible as you proceed or before you proceed to continue to collaborate with the brand new hot off the press MDD?

Yes. So these these opportunities were rather quick to you know happen in a in a matter of days. Um we did get the first the results on the first um project which was somewhat of a high level. It really validated a lot of our uh internal thoughts about which grocery store level to pursue. I think uh the MDT and staff and these students are in agreement of the format that is best suited for us which is the smaller scale you know neighborhood market type of of um project. So we will be continuing outreach with the property owners and brokers that are actively marketing some sites that were identified by the students as suitable for this type of development including the mud property that was discussed earlier in this meeting. and I I sent an email about that earlier today. Um, as far as the second project, that's a capstone project. Um, I do anticipate to incorpor in include the mud in that process as well. And if um at some point, you know, there is a a more of a full-time presence for economic development, they will probably start taking the lead on on these projects. And I'll focus on the planning and capital project planning to support economic development. Um but we will always incorporate the MDD and keep them apprised. Mr. McKinnon is very engaged and active and um we keep in close contact.

Thank you. Any other discussion? That's exciting. All right. Can I get a motion? I make a motion to accept the monthly planning report. Can I second? I'll second. All in favor? All in favor? Motion carries. 4.11. discuss and consider possible actions on a list of research question for EPS policy lab project at the University of Texas Dallas.

Um so Dr. Love could not be here due to an a work emergency. Um but the questions that you're seeing on your staff report were the same ones that y'all had conditionally approved last month or indicated support. So really, we just wanted to have final approval through a motion to to put forth these questions to the university and then and then they'll carry them on and work on them during the summer. Any discussion? Any motion? I'm motion tired. Huh? I said I'm motion tired, but I guess I can make a motion.

I can make it. I move to approve the research questions as presented. Uh, can I get a second? I'll second. All in favor? All right. Motion carries. All All in favor? All right. Uh, we are going to recess the regular uh meeting at 7:41 grant funding.

Oh, sorry. 4.12. Uh, grant Colin County grant funding project. Discuss potential projects for Colin County Project Funding Assistance Program. Um this um this is a project that the city has participated at before. That's how the splash pad improvements were funded and other projects here in the in the city park. Um for this year's funding round, we uh got good news from the county because they've reduced the match to 20%. Um really what I'm looking for and Garrett and I are looking for today is um somewhat of an amount to to scope out a project um so that we can understand what the match will be um and also a focus for the scope of work. So um during the parks and trails master plan development and during the feedback from the UTA downtown plan when the students did their online surveys ADA accessibility at the city park was one of the huge uh topics of concern from residents. So, um to that end, um we are proposing a staff um looking for quotes to uh resurface the small uh the small child playground on the northern side of the park and add uh ADA accessible sidewalks to connect the small child playground, the pavilion, the splash pad to the bathrooms, and the uh handicap parking spaces. Um, based on just very rough estimates, we're looking at uh somewhere between $150,000 and $200,000 total for that project.

Oh, see.

Um, and that's just for the northern half of the park. We we want to stay in a in an in a scope and amount that's doable for the county. We don't want to ask for too much either. Um, and there are other opportunities that we're exploring such as Texas Texas Parks and Wildlife um, state USDA and other grants that could help, uh, provide those ADA improvements elsewhere in the park so that we don't have a half half ADA accessible park. Um, or are there any other projects that you would like for us to focus on as part of the county funding round? My question is why is this disconnected from the previous agenda topic? Why couldn't the funding for the Colin County be used for some of this? Again, cut cut the pie a little bit further.

Um, so the mud's going to pay to build all of that. So, we were just talking maintenance. So, so I'll I'll defer to the city attorney, but my understanding is most of these grant opportunities are for paying capital improvements. they cannot be used for maintenance or continuous maintenance. So the the intent is to build new infrastructure. So because this particular project was going to be built by the mud and the requests and agenda item were for paying for the maintenance, I did not want to even touch that as part of this funding opportunity. So if we could identify on our parks plan one of those little like little small park

would these funds would that be like to build a new park? Yeah, just a little one, you know, like we always talked about under the water tower or you know, maybe something over on C. Is that as long as the scope of work that's presented or proposed uh is within the strategies of their countywide parks and trails plan and and aligns with ours, it it could be possible. How we chose this um primarily because of the ADA. That's that's really one of the things I hear the most about. The Texas Parks and Wildlife has a small communities grant program that pays for $150,000 for other parks. So, we could potentially maybe look at

landscape. That's what I was talking about. Yeah. And and some cities are I mean I in McKenna, for example, they're they're doing the base of the water tower as a as a park plan, a little pocket park area. So, they're trying to maximize that that space. So, I I see where you're going with that. Um, I think that could be an opportunity for that other grant opportunity that's coming up in August. So, we could explore that if if the council wants, we could explore that for future opportunities. I I like the ADA idea. Definitely. And and I know it's not the whole park. I would love to have the whole park ADA accessible, but we would like to do at least a small area in the splash pad and the pavilion to get those

accessible first. And then we'll look at other opportunities to do the rest of the park. So splash pad to the bathrooms to around to the pavilion. So So yeah, basically connecting the bathrooms to the splash pad, the pavilion, and the small child playground on the east side of the park and resurfacing that entire playground and potentially if there's still money available uh and part of we can add it to the scope, we could do um maybe even some equipment replacement that is more accessible. What I'm asking tonight is um there is a match that must be Mhm. provided by the city. What is the highest that you would like to match? If we can match $50,000, then we can go for $250,000.

Have you gotten any quotes on any You said you have gotten some quotes, right? No, not yet. So, we're just That was just Garrett and I just rough estimating. We wanted direction before we pursue the formal quotes. Next month, we'll bring the entire project scope developed and ready for your blessing before we can apply to the county in early July. What's our funds look like for that? And could we afford to do the 50,000 in our current budget and not impact? I think we have that sitting in the park. Okay. Um, does anybody staff do you remember when this was awarded? So, I'm not sure if it would be this budget year or next when they actually make the selection.

Um, that selection may actually roll into the next fiscal year. So, just as a budgetary consideration, it might need to be put on next year's budget. We just have to demonstrate that the money is going to be allocated whether it's in this year's budget or next year's budget, but it has to be allocated somewhere. Any issues with that? Any concerns, council? So, we're okay with matching 50,000 in this current cycle for 88 because it'll be like that last budget thing that we did cuz it was already there. It just kind of rolled over. So, it's in this one, but it just roll.

Okay. Can I get a motion? Okay. I don't need to hang on. I'll make a motion to approve $50,000 for the Colin County parks grant funding project.

I'll second. All in favor? All right. Motion carry. Now, I'm going to reassess the regular meeting at 7:48. Um, we're going to go into executive session and we will reconvene once the executive session is uh completed. Um, thank you everybody. We'll be back in a few minutes. I was trying. This is why we have

just read that little caption on the on the agenda there. Okay. All right. Hold on. Hold on.

One second, please. I need to read this uh before we go into executive session. The city council will now convene into executive session. Close session. present to Texas government code 551.071 consult consultation with the attorney to seek legal advice regarding pending litigation specifically the Kyle Smith versus city of Josephine. We will now go into executive session. Thank you for this one. sidewalks. One person I can't get a lot of

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whatever I can do. Okay,

reconvening the uh regular meeting at 7:56 uh 8.1.

Are we ready? Okay. Discuss and consider an act on items resulting in from the executive session. Um we have no action. Um 8.2 discuss and consider act regarding city council members for consideration of items on a future agenda. Do we have any items that we want to bring up on a future agenda? Is there anything to discuss about the fireworks in the park? I have meaning. I have that all under control. We're thinking the like. Okay, that's good. Oh, no.

All right. And um I guess the question would be uh possibly at some point in the next month or so a agenda topic for the MDD collaboration with council. Uh you talking about a joint session? Well, no, just a presentation agenda item. Oh, that they come and speak to us. Yeah. Is that okay? I don't have a problem with that. Anybody else? Good. All right. So, good. A presentation from the MDD on the next city council agenda. All in favor? All right. Any other items? All right.

No one second. I second it. Did you make the motion? She made the motion. Yeah. All right. Um, last thing before we break tonight, and I ask for adjournment. Um, fireworks in the park, June 27th at 4 p.m. I hope to see everybody out there. Um, Kirk Peters, uh, retirement after 20 years is on June 8th. We're going to have a huge celebration um, I guess out at the community center

before the city council meeting. Um the UDC meetings are on Tuesdays and Thursdays uh for the uh at okay Tuesdays at the 12th and Thursday the 14th of June from 6:00 to 8 at city hall for for this week for the UDC discussions for review at for the public hearing. Correct. Yeah, it's it's the open house. So come and go open house. Residents can come in ask questions and and here Yeah. and everything else is online, but yeah, we're doing it here.

Okay. And lastly, I would like to congratulate congratulate all the graduates for community high school and um we appreciate all their hard work and everything they've done for the to get to this point. We hope they have great careers and if they're off to college, we hope they have a great time at college because most people do. Um, and to all the college graduates that are out of state or in state that are graduated this uh month as well, congratulations to those college students that are here in Josephine the citizens and we hope they have a great careers out of them. Uh, that's pretty much all the announcements I have for this evening. Um,

one teeny thing. Um, I think we have a joint session on June 1st. Do we? Planning and zoning and council for the UDC.

Yes. Sorry, my apologies that wasn't included in your announcements, but yes, June 1st will be a joint planning and zoning commission and city council meeting. Uh, I'm going to ask the commission to meet earlier in the evening to handle the public hearings and then that that's from 6:00 to 8. They'll do the workshop for the UDC. So, you don't you don't have to spend time dealing with the public hearings that you would be dealing with a week later anyway. Okay. All right. So, I think we're gonna have a I think Melissa and I talked about having maybe just a regular um item on the next agenda to kind of bring you up to speed on where we are as far as like a draft budget. Um it won't be a complete budget at that time by any means, but it'll kind of tell you where we think we're headed. We don't get those um certified estimates till when the end of July.

End of July. July. So, it's hard for us to bring you a whole lot before then, but we'll kind of bring you what we're thinking. Okay. And then we pretty much have like four meetings in August, right? Or something like that. A billion. We'd like you to hang around in August as much as possible. So, go on a vacation before. And one tiny thing, uh, we also got in our email a HR update. Um, Shannon's been here the whole time. Do you have anything for us? I don't have anything. Okay. All right. Okay. Thank you. Thank you for being here. Can I get a motion to adjurnn? I move that we adjourn.

I second. Meeting adjourned. 801.