16 Water Resources Committee - Regular Meeting

Thank you. Thank you.

Will the Water and Infrastructure Committee of June 15th, 2026, please come to order. The time is now 1.34 p.m. May I ask all participants, please keep your cell phones and any other noise-making devices silent. I'm your chair for today, Tom Cook. Members, per the Sunshine Law, please identify by name who, if anyone, is in the room, vehicle, or workspace with you today exclusive of minors. I would also like to ask the department representatives who have joined online to please also turn on your cameras when it's your time to speak. Now, I'd like to introduce the committee members. starting with Committee Vice Chair, Yukile Sugimura.

Good afternoon, Chair. Looking forward to a productive meeting. Thank you.

Good afternoon, and Kalofa.

Kalofa.

Council Member Patonga.

Aloha kakou. Is it Kalofa?

He meant Talofa.

Okay, that's what... He meant Talofa. Talofa, Chair.

No comment. Council Member Gabe Johnson.

Talofa Chair, Council Members, community members, there's no testifiers here at the Lanaihe District Office. I'm alone on my side of the office and I'm here and ready to work. Thank you. All right.

And Council Chair Alice Lee.

Talofa Chair Cook. There's no one here in my home space.

And we have in the house Council Member Tamara Paulton.

Talofa Lava Chair and Aloha Wina La Kako, streaming live and direct from the Council Chambers, thank you.

We also have Council Member Kiani Rollins-Fernandez, good afternoon.

Also in the house.

Also in the house.

Aloha Wina La Kako, Aloha Wina La Chair, and I never heard the Olalohawai'i version of Talofa, Kalofa.

I will give you many versions. Council Member Shane Sinensi.

Talofa o inalá, Chair.

And Council Member Nohit Lane'u'uha.

Aloha Chair, talofa.

From the administration, we're joined today by the representatives of the following department, Mark Takamori, Director of Transportation, Neil Nakamoto from Park Maui, and Corporation Council, Caleb Rue. From OCS, we are assisted by our committee staff. Please see the last page of the agenda for information on meeting connectivity. Good afternoon, everyone. We have one item on today's agenda. Y24 relates to Bill 68, 2026, amending Title 10, Article 2, Maui County Code on special parking regulations. Members, if there's no objections, I would like to take testimony after receiving opening comments on Y24. Thank you, members. Let's begin. Members, Y24 relates to Bill 68, 2026, which proposes expansions and updates to our county's managed parking framework under the Park Maui program. The council previously laid the groundwork for this initiative in late 2023 with Ordinance 5568, which launched the initial Park Maui pilot program framework. On August 4th, 2025, this committee took up Resolution 25-130 and Bill 79, which established digital paid parking zone maps for South Maui Beach Parks and updated maps for the Wailuku Town. Bill 79 was enacted as ordinance 413.362, which also authorized free beach parking for Hawaii residents and setting resident recreational hours. Bill 68 continues this rollout of Park Maui by, One, authorize paid parking zones and permit parking zones in West Maui. Two, establish resident town benefit locations in paid parking zones across both West Maui and Wailuku Town. Notably, it amends the Wailuku Town map to provide a resident town benefit at the Wailuku Garage, offering Hawaii residents the first two hours of parking for free and a rate of just $1 thereafter. amend the resident recreation hours in South Maui for Kamaoli Beach 3, remove the outdated references to the old parking lots, piers, and loading zones in West Maui to clean up and modernize our county code. At this time, would the Department of Transportation like to introduce themselves and provide any opening comments or presentation? Take it away.

good afternoon committee chair and committee members thank you for having us today i'm mark takamori i'm the director for the county transportation department and with me is neil nakamoto he is our program specialist that oversees the park maui program this afternoon we're going to um neil's going to be doing a short presentation on the proposed changes, that's amending Title 10, Article 2 of the Maui County Code on Special Parking Regulations. So I'm gonna have Neil do his presentation, so if he can bring it up. That'd be great.

Thank you, good afternoon everyone. Today we are presenting Bill 68 which proposes updates to Title 10 of the Maui County Code to support the Park Maui parking management in Wailuku, South Maui and West Maui. Next slide please. Bill 68 makes three main updates. First, establishes resident town benefit for Wailuku Garage and the West Maui parking lots, updates the South Maui's resident recreation hour map. Second, it establishes paid parking zones for West Maui, And third, creates permit parking zone for the 750 Luakini lot in West Maui. Please note that all Park Maui resident benefits are based on scanning a valid Hawaii driver's license at a pay station or mobile app. Next slide, please. Exhibit W1. For Wailuku, this amendment formally identifies the Wailuku Garage as a resident town benefit location. Hawaii residents who scan a valid Hawaii driver's license will receive the first two hours free with the standard hourly rate applying after that. Next slide. Exhibit SM1. For South Maui, this amendment removes Kamoale Beach 3 parking lot 2 from the resident recreation hour designation. This is actually a dirt area on the right of way toward the end of Kamoale 3. We inadvertently put that there and it was supposed to be there. The resident recreation hour designation remains for the paved lots in Kamoale 1 and Kamoale 3, as depicted on the image there. This is where, on weekends and county observed holidays, parking is reserved for residents only before 10 a.m. at designated beaches. And as always, beach parking remains free for Hawaii residents with a valid Hawaii driver's license. Next slide, please. For West Maui, Bill 68 establishes paid parking zones at three Lahaina lots, 750 Luakini, 116 Prison Street, and 500 Front Street. These lots are also identified as resident town benefit locations, allowing the county to provide resident parking benefits while managing public access in the Lahaina Harbor area. Next slide. Exhibit WM2. Bill 68 also establishes the 750 Lewakini lot as a permit parking zone. This provides the county with the flexibility to manage parking for specific users, operational needs, and Lahaina recovery-related access while still maintaining an organized parking system. And the final slide, please. So in summary, Bill 68 updates the county's parking code and official parking zone maps to allow Park Maui to manage these locations consistently and provide resident benefits. It also supports parking access needs in West Maui as the Lahaina Harbor area continues to recover and reopen. Public information will continue to be available at parkmaui.com. And should you have any further questions this week, Park Maui will be available to answer any of your questions. Thank you for your time today, mahalo.

Thank you both. Before we begin our discussion, let's see if anyone would like to provide testimony for Y24. Staff, do we have any testifiers?

Thank you, Chair. There's currently no one who has signed up to testify. Would you like me to initiate final countdown? Yes. If anyone in the audience or on teams would like to testify, please come up to the podium and begin your testimony, or use the raise your hand function on teams and staff will unmute you. This is the final call to testify. Three, two, one. Chair, no one has indicated they wish to testify.

Thank you, staff. So members, I'm proposing two rounds of three-minute questions per member. Any objections? Seeing none. Thank you, members. Let's begin our discussion. We'll start with Vice Chair Sugimura.

Thank you very much. So Exhibit W1, right, which is Wailuku Town Pay Parking. So this is in the municipal parking structure. And what happens when you have a first Friday? I think you probably answer that question often, but. because the structure is open to vendors. Do people actually go up? I've never gone up.

Okay, chair. So on first Friday, the ground floor is basically inaccessible for short time parkers. What happens at 4.30, the vendors come in and on the bottom half of it is where they can put all of their things that they're trying to sell. And then we do a counter flow on the upper end of the garage. Everyone has to park on the second, third, and fourth level. By 10 o'clock, everything's supposed to be dismantled, and then the garage is reset to what it needs to be. We're always at 100% capacity during First Fridays, so we really enjoy it. The community loves it. I think it's something that it's wonderful that we have it.

Yeah, it's wonderful to have that. During rain, I know that the municipal parking lot helped with the vendors and everybody, but still I, that's my, you know, that's my baby, right? So I would glad to hear that. And people do not get paid for parking. I mean, people do not have to pay for parking during that time.

If you come in at four o'clock and you are a Hawaii resident, you get two hours free. Our garage only charges from 8am to 6pm. So if basically you come at four, it's free until we close at 11.

Good deal. Um, okay. And so for West Maui, and for West Maui, I remember that the parking fees which the county owned, the parking lot, all of it was given back to non-profits, so is that kind of arrangement still happening? And is that 116 Prison Street? Where's the parking?

Chair, basically, I think you're referring to 500 Front Street. That was originally with the Mokuula. And so that's the only ordinance that we have in place for the fund. It's 3.38.010 is what you're referencing.

Okay, so that's still in place.

The law is still there, yes, but it's only tied to that one TMK, which is the 500 Front Street lot.

Yeah, okay. I think that was done when Kimo Upano was mayor. I remember that that went into place and it was continuously happening. So I have no further questions, Chair. Thank you.

Thank you. Council Member Betonga?

Sorry, Chair. Real quick before. Can we just, for the record, that you closed public testimony.

Okay. Okay. Again, with no objections, we'll close public testimony? No objection.

Okay. Thank you. Thank you chair, thank you department for being here. Can you go over what the designation of the parking benefit zone is? Oh sorry, the resident town benefit. So my understanding was that through the budget ordinance, we allowed for those two hours of free parking but So I'm trying to understand what the difference between what we already authorized is and what you're proposing through this bill would be.

So on the proposed bill, that's section two, paragraph four. And so in there is specifically saying that the resident town benefit, which is associated with the paid parking zone, if you have your valid driver's license, you're eligible for it. But what is redefining here is you will be eligible to receive a specified number of hours of free parking. The Department of Transportation must post the number of free parking hours available at each location on signage at the site or on the department's website. So rather than locking us into just two hours, depending on where you are, we might have to change this. Rather than redefining the law every single time, we felt that it would be best to give us more flexibility in having the signage basically define what it is.

Okay. ordinance itself still sets the um the free parking hours for the wailuku garage you can't manipulate that by signage that's in the rates and fees correct okay yeah just making sure yeah okay and then can we go back to what member sugimura had asked about um the rates and fees for 500 Prison Street. Sorry, not Prison Street, Front Street. So just that one TMK, the money received will go to who? Because the county is now maintaining the rural complex. So there's no nonprofit to receive the funding anymore.

It's the Hawaiian Cultural Restoration Revolving Fund.

Oh, so it would go to that rather than a nonprofit organization. So all of the rates and fees collected except for, so everything but 500 Front Street will go to the Park Maui Fund. And then just that one lot will go to the Hawaiian, something, Cultural Restoration Revolving Fund. Is that correct?

Correct, as the ordinance stands. The question is, based on today's front headlines with the Department of UV Resources, they're defining their master plan. So it's possible that 500 Front Street will no longer be accessible for Park Maui in the future, but we don't know when.

Okay. But this will give you flexibility in case they choose to keep it part of the program? Yes. Okay. So then my last question has to do with... administrative rulemaking. So if you're gonna be setting essentially rates through posted signage, do you have a process in place through which the department determines what hours are free or what those rates are gonna be?

If I can answer your question, Of course, our department would have to come up with a suggestion for the council. The council has to determine whether or not you would like to have that in the rates and fees because we don't determine that.

Since it's not in the rates and fees and you're going to use signage to determine how many free hours or whatnot, does the department have a process in place that would allow for you to create those essentially policies? I guess I'm asking if there's administrative rulemaking in place so that you can create those signages rather than just have the director on a whim, put up a sign, take down a sign.

Typically, we have historical precedent. In Lahaina, it was three hours of free parking. And so that's what we implemented currently in this timeframe with the soft reopening of the harbor area. So it would seem prudent that we would carry on what we've had historically.

Okay. Thank you, Chair. Thank you, Department. Thank you. And I want the representatives to feel comfortable to answer directly. Okay? Council Member Johnson?

Thank you chair and thank you department for joining us today. Parking is a hot topic with our community. Always got something to say when it comes to parking. So thanks for being here. I really like the website that I went to the website and I was fascinated by it. It's got a lot of information there. Who is in charge of the website? Is it that company that's running it or is it the county?

We have a consultant that has a sub in their contract that does the graphics, and everything does get passed through us and comms before we publish. So we manage it through our contract with our consultant.

It's great. I'll try to share it on my social media as well. In the bill, you guys went pretty fast on what the CAM 3 is happening. What's exactly happening with CAM 3? You're reclassifying that or can you explain that a little bit?

Kamaole.

Kamaole, thank you. Kamaole 3.

Yeah. If you're able to turn to the map, see what exhibit is that? SM 1.

Mm-hmm.

If you look to the right, you'll notice that it says Come Ole Beach 3, Parking Lot 2. That's actually, if you recall, driving in that side, it's just a dirt area. It's not really a lot. It should be, it's just dirt. So it was a mistake when they put the seal on that. That was something that I missed. because it wouldn't make sense to make that a resident recreation our area because there's only like about 10 stalls and even because we're not going to have plans to basically put pavement and grade it and put lines on it so it doesn't make sense to have it as what it was designated originally

So what will it become?

It's going to be accessible for the public to use in collaboration with MPD as well as some of the community members. Typically that area isn't even utilized until there's like a big event like when they have the movie night because there's no need for that.

Okay. Thank you so much. Those are my questions here. Thank you.

Chair Lee, your time for questions.

No questions, thank you.

Member Baldwin.

Thank you, Chair. My question is about that Kamo'ole dirt lot. So people still can access it, but you wouldn't be charging. So like on the blackout hours, like say holidays or before 10, at that point, tourists are free to park there for free?

So the way that it works, we always coincide with the park hours. So all of Kamo'ole is from 8 a.m. to 6 p.m. That particular area that we're talking about, is it going to be accessible to anyone and everyone, whether you're a resident or non-resident during those hours?

If I was a tourist, I would park there because it's free.

No, you would have to pay as a non-resident because the demarcation of what defines a resident is you have to have a valid Hawaii driver's license. So the fee would still be $10 per day for the entire region that we have for Kamole I, II, and III.

Even though that area is dirt?

Well, because we have it as an ordinance, we have to obey it. So I can't say it's just free for non-residents because it's listed here as a paid parking zone.

So how do the non-residents know that they have to pay? Is there any signage in the dirt lot?

We have all the signs actually put up already, but I have it covered with a bag with a coming soon and the QR code.

So the dirt lot has signage.

And so then we're removing it from what? Yeah, so the one benefit that we have for our Kama'ina is the resident recreation hours. And so what that means is that if you scan your driver's license, your Hawaii driver's license, right? You have priority on weekends and county observed holidays to park there before 10 a.m. So between seven and 10, only residents can park in come only one pave lot and come only three pave lot. And so that's a premium for our locals to have that privilege to do that.

but a non-resident could park in the dirt lot.

Yes, and that's why we have that opportunity. If they want to access Kamala three, they can still go to that dirt area and they can park there. It's available to, no, they got to pay. Non-residents have to pay.

Okay.

Yeah.

All right. Um, and then, uh, The 750 Luakini and the 116 Prison Street, how many spaces are in each of those, are you aware?

Yes, 116 has 85 regular stalls and 6 ADA. 750 Luakini has 65 regular stalls and 5 ADA. Did you say 65? 65, correct. And 5 ADA? 500 has 67 regular stalls and 6 ADA.

Okay, and so the idea is if that becomes restored to Mokuula, we could find 67 regular stalls and six ADA throughout Luakini and the prison street lot and that revenue could then go to the Hawaiian Cultural Restoration Revolving Fund.

We would actually lose the 500 front Street so the 67 regular stalls and 688 stalls would no longer be Generating any revenue if we were actually, you know had paid parking there Yeah, so we would take some other County stalls revenue to fund the revolving fund. Is that that's what I heard the plan was The other two lots for one one six percent and seven five zero low Keeney all revving for those two Lots would go to the Park Mauer revolving fund

Oh, okay, what they had told us during budget is we could make up the revenue from the other county lots.

Okay, I'm confused by that.

You guys remember that, right? They told us that?

I don't remember it, but we can always do it.

Yeah, I'll find the minutes.

Looks like he wants to say something.

I do not have anything to say, thanks.

For clarification, was that our department or was that a different department that made that comment?

I think it was either the Department of Management or the Department of OEB Resources. I can't remember exactly who, but they were making promises on your behalf.

Okay. Yeah, our understanding is slightly different. Essentially, the funds that are collected is to be reinvested into the program. Any surplus funds are available for projects and stuff like that. So technically, until the program is self-sufficient, those funds are coming back to pay for the program itself.

Chair, do you mind if we send a clarifying letter? Because that was what was told to us when we made the bill to make the Hawaiian Cultural Restoration Revolving Fund for the entirety of the Royal Complex area.

I have an agreement. How about if you make that request to staff and they will?

Staff, can you do that? You remember, right? You were there. Thank you.

Okay, are you done? Is that question for management, Department of Management?

I would do on Department of Management, CCOEB Resources, and you folks, so that when the answer comes by, you guys can read it and read.

Okay, thank you.

Okay. Member Rollins-Fernandez, questions?

We were saying that they don't have to weep. You can celebrate, too. So I was looking at the app. I don't know if that was part of your presentation. I know you included the website, but I found the app, because one of the things that I liked about the features when they were designing the program was that you could see where had parking before you go there and find out no more parking. And so it's taking a while to download, but it does say find, pay, and manage parking.

I'm sorry, what did you say the last part of your question? It said find what?

Oh, it wasn't a question. I was reading from the app and it says find, pay, and manage parking. It says Park Maui, it has your logo, and it has like the map of like, a map of the parking, and I'm assuming it has a count, right? So you scan it, and if there's 20 parking stalls and there's time for 20 cars there, then it would tell you that the parking is full or something?

You're actually speaking about the future of where we'd like to go because that technology requires you have a camera that is able to visualize all of the parking stalls.

You can't do it the way I just said? I mean, you can do it that way too, no?

No.

I believe in technology. I think you can do it the way I just explained. AI, come on. You're supposed to replace me, right?

But it's actually AI in the camera is what you're referring to. But we don't have it in the program yet because we have to launch it. And then that's one of the things that we are placeholding for the future because we would like to do that. Because to have the option when you are choosing, let's say we're all on a different coast, right? And you want to decide for your family, where do you want to go?

Right, no, absolutely that's the benefit and we all agree. And I wanted this, I want this to be available now. So I think the way that it can be done is you have 20 stalls and then if there's time for 20 cars in that parking designated area, then that means there's no stalls available. You don't have to visually see if it's full. I think the software is capable of doing it.

Okay. Well, that's something that we'll definitely put on the parking lot for future things to work toward.

Okay, because when is this future going to happen with the camera?

That's something that I can't answer right now.

I mean, because they have the green cameras, right? I mean, how advanced would this camera need to be? Would it have to do the counting itself?

Hey, can we have staff put it on their notes?

Okay, all right, no, I don't need to ask them. They already have a plan. I've suggested another idea for exploration, because I believe that technology can do this. And I heard the timer. Thank you.

Member Huches.

Thank you, Chair. Majority of my questions have already been asked and answered. I do appreciate all your guys' years-long hard work. Thank you for doing the, it's coming soon, so people aren't surprised when they go. Yeah, I appreciate that. Other than that, I don't have any questions. Thank you.

Member Sinitsi.

Mahalo Chair, my questions were answered as well, but just for clarity, the 116 Prison Street, was that the state parking lot?

I believe, oh no, I think you're thinking of across the street at Kamehameha Schools.

Right.

But no, it's the Team K for 116 Prison is all county.

Oh, it is? Yeah. Did they give it to the county, or was it always county?

You know, when you go to the real property tax, I don't know how to find when it transferred over, but it shows it as being county-owned.

I always thought that that was the state parking lot across the, okay. Thank you. Thanks, Chair.

Thank you. So, Chair's question. The Kamaoli One, we call it the unimproved parking lot that' s by the abc store and that' s currently unimproved so there' s no striping and what not. so it's currently a free parking it's unimproved so there's no striping we discussed that one of the challenges in managing it is people if they park all couple car you're going to get a handful of cars in there and if people really organize a lot of cars also the environmental management is planned to relocate the existing i think it's pumps wastewater pump station 7 across the street part of our managed retreat and We're still waiting to find out what their timeline is on that So I want to clarify to the body that that that that particular parking lot that is currently free is Going to be park my parking in the future. It does have the kiosk there with a bag on it and no that one doesn't okay that's what's question so I think that was part of the confusion so people will be able to park there free there won't be any restrictions tourists or locals until that particular parking lot is fixed

So let me clarify. The parking lot that Chair is talking about is across from Kamoli One paved lot adjacent to ABC Store, Mauka site. That is going to be, it is a paid parking lot. And if you are a non-resident, you will be required to pay there. We do have sign-ins that are there with QR codes as well, taking you to the website, instructing you to download the app, or to walk across the street at the pay station by the lifeguard station. We also have those signs saying, pay station is across the street by lifeguard, so people know where to go. Unfortunately, we have no idea when it's gonna be unavailable to us for the construction period. and it will take about two years is what I've been told. So we're still waiting on confirmation on that.

Okay, so thank you for clarifying. There will be paid parking and we're just gonna have to work it out since there's no real parking stalls and stuff. Okay, thank you. I don't have any other questions. Second round members? Member Pauldin?

On that 116 lot, it's kind of like a cutout, kind of where Maui Medical Group used to be. And I remember they had like long stalls for buses and things like that. And I think currently the people using the harbor are having people park over there. So if, I mean, It's like this, yeah, 500 Front Street and that other 116 Prison Street. It's kind of like one parcel but two TMKs. And you're sure that 116 is not a part of the Royal Complex boundaries?

It is in the Royal Complex, but it's not part of the funding from 3.3-010.

Yeah, yeah, I understand that part, but if we're gonna lose the 500 Front Street to the restoration of Mokula and 116 is within the Royal Complex boundaries, is there also a possibility that 116 would be restored as part of the Royal Complex area in Lahaina?

That is a possibility. Oh, okay, okay. I mean, because we could, you guys could read the law for that. I mean, is that, you know, is that in my arena be in your?

I know that, but meaning you know that, so we're all. Yeah, yeah. You guys remember what's being said here, okay? 116 is within the boundaries of the Lahaina Royal Complex area, so it may be part of the restoration of Mogula as well. So just so everyone knows, just wanted to be clear. Thank you.

Okay, remember Ron Fernandez?

Okay, so I'm on the app. I know you didn't present about the app, but I was also excited about that. Okay, and so it finally downloaded and I put my license plate number and all the information in. And then it said, yeah, maybe like another 10 more minutes, and then you'll get there. And then so it said, you know, look for your nearest parking. So that's cool. And then it has like set the time that you wanna park at. So it's like Wailuku parking lot. And it has like max time of like eight hours and 50 minutes, that's a long time. So there's no other max time, okay. And then it goes continue $1.50, but it doesn't have like, if you're a Hawaii resident. When you use the app as a Maui County resident, you won't get the benefits? You have to go in person?

There's one more step that has to be taken and that's in your account where you click on the three lines on the top right and then you press account and then the first window that you see is residency discount. So you click on that and it's asking you to scan your barcode under the back of your HDL. Okay.

All right, okay. I'm sure this will be helpful for the public as well. Okay, okay, and then so I'm looking at the fees in this year's budget that we passed. And so it has like the daily fee, weekly, monthly, but it doesn't have the hourly here. And so when I was in the app, it had $1.25 for one hour.

Okay, so let's see, Wailuku Garage you're speaking about, right? Oh, yes.

So this one is fees, beaches, and parks, Parky Pass.

So that's different than the Wailuku. So on the top, for fees, parking in Wailuku, On-street parking is free for everyone, because it's a two-hour time limit, right? Off-street parking, which is the garage, is $1 an hour, but $10 daily max. But then it doesn't include the two hours free, which is $2 off if you're a Hawaii resident. So this only could be $8 max for a Hawaii resident.

Okay. But the parking structure, is that parking in Wailuku? or Wailuku Garage event parking? No, neither. Okay, it doesn't have $1.25.

Okay, I think you're referring to the app itself. In the app itself, there is a 25 cents convenience fee. So that's industry standard. So that's not part of rates and fees. Rates and fees is just a dollar per hour. But for every financial transaction, because it's the industry standard with the software companies, it's always 25 cents convenience fee per financial transaction.

Okay, so when you do like the $10 permit, Oh, I guess you can't do that in an app though. The permits, the $10 per day.

You're talking about the beach, right?

Well, there's a $10 Wailuku parking. And then the beach parking is also $10 a week or $50, I'm sorry, $10 a day or $50 a week or $150 per month.

So you're referring to the beaches and park parking passes.

Yeah, but also parking in Wailuku has off street of $10 a day max.

Correct. So it's two different things.

Oh, it's not a permit. It's just a max.

Yeah.

Okay.

Yeah.

All right. And so when you get the permit, you can't do that in the app.

You can buy it on the app. Yes, for the beaches, for the standard permits of daily is $10, weekly is 50, and monthly is 150. And you can do that on the app.

And then there will also be a transaction fee?

Yes.

Okay, and how much is that?

A quarter.

Oh, it's just 25 cents.

Member, how about we do this on your third run? Bell is around the corner.

I don't have any other questions. Yes.

Member Pitangan. Thank you, Chair. Department, I read the budget ordinance slightly different than you do. So when it says $10 daily max, I read that as $10 is the max you can accumulate in fees, not that you take $2 off of that because you get two hours free. So like in my reading of the ordinance, you get two hours for free and then you start the clock and you can still accumulate up to $10 in fees, not that you're capped at $8 as you had previously said.

Yes, that's the correct way of putting it.

Okay, and then this question's for Corporation Council. If the budget ordinance doesn't allow for, if there's no mention of a convenience fee in the budget ordinance, can the department pass that fee on to users? Because I read the ordinance as if it's a dollar per hour, not a dollar plus a convenience fee.

I do believe that Kristen Rigglesworth from my office was going to be available for this. This might be a good question for her because she also does budget.

Okay. If she's online, I'd like to hear. If not, can we transmit that question in writing?

She's been promoted on Teams, so there she is.

I can't see her, but did you hear the question?

Yes, I did. I'd like to speak with the budget director about that before I answer.

Okay. So can we transmit that question in writing? Staff, you have that? Thank you. Okay, thank you. Staff will inform process then. Regarding the rates and fees for the beaches and parks, I read the budget ordinance. So parking in paid parking zones at beaches and parks must be free for residents to qualify for free resident rates. A person must scan a valid driver's license with state Hawaii zip code at your parking location. So for the bills or for the bill before us, my understanding was that you said you... didn't set rates for them because you wanted the ability for the director to post signage and control how many hours are free through that. But if the ordinance itself says that the rates are free for residents, managing it through signage Not necessary, or am I confused?

Yeah, what you're reading is for the beaches and parks. Correct. The resident town benefit that I was speaking about. Oh, that was resident town benefit.

Yeah, it is for Wailuku and West Maui. So then for the beaches, there's no different, there's not gonna be a fee for the off-street or on-street paid parking. So why is it called off-street paid parking zone or on-street paid parking zone if there's no fee attached to it?

When you say fee, are you talking about convenience fee or the charge to the?

Yeah, any charge to a user. So I see in the rates and fees that there's, it's just completely free for residents. Not even just the two hour limit, it's completely free all day, every day. But visitors would have to pay. Okay, and that one's just gonna be the standard rate then.

For the beach parks, they would be paying for a daily, weekly, or monthly type pass. Okay.

Just one note, though, because I don't want the locals to think it's always free without doing something. They have to scan their HDL on the app or the kiosk. If you don't do that, we don't know who you are because we can't read, you know. You need to acknowledge that you're a Hawaii resident and that your car is there as a resident.

Okay.

Thank you, Chair.

Thank you, Department.

Thank you, members. Any further discussion? Okay. Seeing no further discussion, we'd like to move on to decision-making. Any objections? The Chair would like to entertain a motion to recommend passage of Bill 68, 2026 on first reading. So moved by Member Sugimura, seconded by Member Uhu Hodgins. to recommend passage of Bill 68 on first reading. Any discussion? Member Palten.

I think you guys will all remember the things that need to be remembered, but I just wanted to share, you know West Maui already has paid parking at a number of beaches, Oneloa on the west side, DT Fleming's overflow lot, I think Nakalele, Honolua, and like that, so, My office gets a lot of emailed complaints from tourists. I think that private lots that are separate from the county, they charge more than $10 a day. I think it's 20, 25 or 24 per time. And so plenty emailed complaints. And my answer was that the county doesn't do that in West Mile yet, but seeing how profitable it is, we're jumping on board because we're getting blamed anyway. And they didn't like that answer either, but it is what it is. just sharing with you. I showed members the email exchange, so once you get complaints in your guys' districts, you know how to answer.

Members, any other discussion? Any other discussion? Chair, did you have? Okay, Chair will weigh in briefly. there is in my district people who are part-time residents and don't have a white driver's license are kind of pushing back in some of the beaches and I've been basically just saying well that's the way it is because we need to keep track I've also I'm explaining this as basically a tourist management tool to enable the local residents to have access to the beach on weekends and not have to fight to get there. And also just to have, it's a tourism balance. That's accurate description, is that correct? Okay, and not everybody likes it, but I'm just sharing with you, to me, that's part of my advocacy for this. It isn't necessarily a moneymaker. It should pay for itself, but I'm really glad and grateful for the efforts that you've been going through, because it's been a long road, and we still have some other hurdles, to implement this and I think all my local residents really deserve it it's gonna take a little bit of time for everybody to understand how it works but I'm looking forward to the South Maui Beach parks being full early on the weekends and families being able to go down and not stress on so that's my discussion seeing no further discussion all those in favor raise your hand and say aye aye

Chair, that's nine ayes, zero noes. Motion carries.

Thank you, members. This item will now move on to full council's consideration. Members, this concludes today's water and infrastructure meeting. Thank everyone for being here and having a fun meeting. The time is now 2.22. This meeting is now adjourned.