Arts and Culture Commission - Regular Meeting

Hi, everyone. Welcome to the March 23 Arts and Culture Commission meeting. It is currently 06:30PM, and I call the meeting to order. Now I'll pass it off to John for the call.

Chair? Let's see. I don't remember if we can

do the roll call. Sorry.

Commissioner Chad? Yeah. Commissioner Panda? For the record, commissioner Panda is absent. Commissioner Aurora? Yes. Vice chair Lambda? Yes. Chair Wang?

Yes. Alright. Moving on to approval of minutes. The subject is approval of the 01/26/2026 Arts and Culture Commission meeting minutes. The recommended action is to approve the minutes.

I can make the motion to approve them.

I second it.

Okay. We'll do a roll call vote. Commissioner Chen?

Aye.

Commissioner Hernandez absent. Commissioner Aurora? Aye. Vice chair Lambeau?

Yes.

Chair Wein?

Aye.

The motion carries unanimously.

Okay. Moving on to oral communications. This portion of the meeting is reserved for persons wishing to address the commission on any matter within the jurisdiction of the commission and not on the agenda. Speakers are limited to three minutes. In most cases, state law will prohibit the commission from making any decisions with respect to a matter not on the agenda. Do you have any oral communications? No. Moving on to written communications.

Do you

have any? No? K. And then seeing as there is no old business, moving right along to new business. Agenda item number two, subject, architectural and site approval, ASA twenty twenty six five, consider a public art installation for Bianchi Way townhomes. Applicant, mister Leon Hu. Property owner. Location, 171 Hundred 72174176, And 178 Bianchi Way. APM 35907021. Recommended action.

Staff recommends that the art and culture commission approve the public art application for Bianchi Way townhomes subject to conditions of the draft resolution. Now I hand it over to Seth.

Yeah. Thank you, Shi Huang. Let me introduce Danielle Clontis. She's an associate planner in the community development department. She has been the project manager for the Bianchi Townhome development since they came in number of years ago.

She will present the staff report as written and as as noticed as well as going through the findings required of of the the commission we need to make in order to approve or not approve the the art piece. The the part of this presentation will kinda give a brief background as to the Arts and Culture Commission's authority, in reviewing these art projects and what the findings are again and and criteria and whatnot. With that being said, I'll pass on to, miss Condit, for her presentation.

Great, everyone. Good evening, chair, vice chair, commissioners. As John stated, my name is Danielle Condit. I'm an associate with the city of Cooper Tina. Today, we have an architectural site to approve application for the installation of public art at the Bianchi Townhome Development.

The Bianchi Townhome Development consists of seven new townhomes dispersed within two buildings on-site. Each townhome is approximately 2,400 square feet, totaling approximately 16,800 square feet of new construction. And per nineteen one four eight zero two zeros, any development of 10,000 square feet or larger is subject to public art. The public art is proposed on-site in the northwest corner of the parcel adjacent to the public sidewalk. You can see the area circled in blue on the screen.

The Arabesque Libra was created by Emilio Tain. The art piece is approximately five and a half feet steel stainless steel sculpture, and it's placed on a one and a half foot concrete pedestal. And it's located within the landscaping of the building's front yard setback. The Ergas Libra is a sculpture piece and is considered consistent with nineteen one four eight zero three zero permitted artwork forms in Hubertino. What is not considered artwork for the public arts chapter are reproductions of origin, original works of art, directional or functional elements such as directional signage, ARP objects which are mass produced, and landscaping and garden features that aren't incorporated with.

The project's construction valuation is assessed at approximately $6,300,000 1% of the construction value would equate to approximately $63,000 The proposed artworks design, fabrication, and installation have cost of approximately 65,000. The value would comply with the standards outlined in 2030, 07/00, minimum artwork value. The art appears to meet the design criteria outlined in nineteen four eight zero six zero. The art piece is located within developments landscape with a front yard setback and is located in an area specifically designated on the site plan. It's been solidified with the public access easement that's been reported on the final map.

The art piece is visible from the public street to both motorists and pedestrians and is fabricated from stainless steel, a durable, long lasting material. So with that, staff recommends the commission approve the public art application subject to the conditions of the draft resolutions. And we do have a presentation from our applicant team. I'll go ahead and get her presentation up on the screen.

If I may, miss Pondit, does does the commission have any questions at this point for staff as to the process, the ordinance, or anything?

Yeah. So I think this will be our first public art review with the current commission members. So please, anyone, if you have any clarifying questions, please share.

Sorry. I have a clarifying question, but maybe I spoke over somebody.

Sure. Go ahead. We can go around the room.

Okay. Thank you. So one one question for the developers and the city is, I've there a plaque next to this piece with attribution to the artist? Like, the name of the piece and the artist name. Is that included in the plan?

So through through the chair vice chair. I I I guess this portion was I asked a question if there's a question with the process specifically.

Oh, okay.

Wanna withhold your question until the artist give presentation? So I I guess is, you know, is there any question about the process, the findings? Not necessarily about the RPs at this point.

Got it. I'll hold off the question.

Yes. It's a process question that is related with the previous presentation. So just to note down, what is the full project cost? You mentioned it, but

I heard 6,300,000.0.

Is that

Is that correct?

Yeah. Right. So it's 63,000,800. Oops. Sorry.

Me go back up here.

It is $6,384,385. I did give approximates in the in the presentation just to kind of round the numbers a little bit.

That's okay. So $66,300,000.0. Correct. Okay. So our allocation is normally the 1%. Mhmm. So

what the the value

comes out to is 63,000.

63,000.

So the application the acquisition. 65,500 to be spent.

Yeah. With that one point, maybe

Yes. Slightly more. Comes

Slightly more. But, yeah, I'm I'm still looking at all of time too. So that's how that number came. Right? Yeah. Okay. Okay. So that's and also, just to verify, you said it's located. It's proposed to be located.

Correct. It's gonna be located within the front setback. Okay.

Where you showed on with that green square. Yeah. But you showed it. It's already had to be like. Just so we Is it possible to spend to understand that? Is that okay? Yeah. Okay.

I think that's fine.

So where is Stevens Creek?

It's north of this and we're is north. I'm sorry. The blue circle is the north side of the lot. So indeed further north of that.

Okay. And that is a sidewalk there above on top of the the drawing. Is that the sidewalk?

It is adjacent to the new public sidewalk. Correct.

Okay. What's to the left? What street is that? Bianchi Way. Oh, that is Bianchi Way. Yeah.

That is the street itself. Yeah. So this is actually within the front of the property.

And that location was selected based on? In that, it's accessible from the public right of way. Yep. And that's separately. Invisible from the public right

of way. So it meets those design criteria as part of the selection and and thought out process.

And and some clarification, as you mentioned, Danielle,

that

there's already an access easement on that site to allow undisturbed access from the public to to view the the artwork.

I was just saying that was in the report.

None of the taxes is made?

Yeah. This is joint. That's what it refers to. Okay. Thank you for

Do we have any other questions, clarifying questions about the material that has been presented?

Pictures show.

Seeing none, why don't we move forward with the presentation?

Good evening, everyone. My name is Amelia Ting. I just wanna go over, like, a quick brief introduction about myself before I introduce this artwork. I have just been graduated by a couple years, and I graduated from Cal Poly Pomona studying visual communication design. Currently, I am working at interior design as an interior design artist specializing in more of the design aspect rather than the layout aspect.

And then I also work for a construction company. We're close with them to design any private commissions that they receive for any artwork. And then let's let me introduce the artwork. For the title of the artwork, I titled it Arrabesse Libre. Arrabesse taken from the dance term from which I was inspired by the dance culture of here of arabesque opposed where one is typically stretched out on one leg.

And then libre, meaning free. I wanted to also expand past the term of arabesque rather than just being confined like typical ballet is a bit more confined. Arabesque also has roots in a art style where it's also pretty a very symmetrical, very strict uniform type of style. So that's also taken inspiration of that. I don't wanna expand past.

I have also look taken a look at a a proposed plan for the building where it has more modern type of aspects. So I wanted to lean towards more of an abstract kind of look. Let's see. The work also draws from my experience as dance and travel. I've danced here at Cupertino from ever since I was growing up, probably since I was three, all the way and I've performed annually at the De Anza College Theater.

I wanted to draw my experience and also present that as a thanks for having brought up my passion in the arts. Rather than representing movement literally, the sculpture distills into elongated lines, shifting from forms and suggest gestures, flow, and directional energy. This sense of movement also informs how this structure sits within Bianchi Way as a public sidewalk. It has movement there. You'll see it often.

It stands at seven feet tall and should around seven feet tall, it should be about, like, four by four in the at least from what I've designed. So it will still be public and visible for for the public view, but also not too it doesn't stand out too much to distract from any buildings or any important roadways nearby. The material selected is a standard classical stainless steel. It plays an important role in supporting, like, the visual experience and also the long term performance of the piece. It subtle it will create a subtle reflection of the light rather than a polished stainless steel for the reason.

So it will will to not take away from the building itself, but also bring a sense of or reflect a sense of the built surroundings or I surrounding environment. From my background in design fabrication, I chose this material also because of its durability. It's classical. It's used everywhere. Something where most people understand what the material will do.

In terms of long term care, the material also allows, like, straightforward maintenance and approach. You you will need routine cleaning with mild soap and water along with inspections, inspections to prevent and preserve the structure. The maintain maintenance strategy is intentionally minimal and aligns with projects long term care requirements. Provisions for ongoing maintenance are incorporated in the overall projects budget and reflected in the CCNRs, ensuring that the artwork remains a well maintained permanent permanent asset over time. Overall, Aravas Libre is intended to enhance the site by introducing moment of movement and reflection into the building building environment through its form material placements and invites viewers from it from multiple perspectives while remaining durable, buildable, and content and to integrate it into the.

Thank you.

Right. Thank you so much for the presentation. So I guess let's start with any clarifying questions. So we'll go around the room. So clarifying questions, please share now. And then after we're done with clarifying questions, then we will move on to discussion. So we don't need to get into this discussion now. Please focus on clarifying questions only. Can we start with vice chair Lamba?

No clarifying questions. Thank you. I think it's great.

It's done. Commissioner Aurora, any questions?

Yeah. I have a I think it's minor. The base Yeah. Pedestal, is that also steel, or is that another material?

I think what I've discussed with the builders is that it's probably gonna be as stainless steel base at least to cover, but there will be supports inside.

And then could you tell us a little bit more about how you plan to fabricate this piece?

Yes. So I'm working closely with the designer, more of like, a structural designer from overseas, and also we have a person over here that I remain in contact with. And then I work with them for choosing the materials. They'll send me samples for the materials, and then I'll work with them in terms of final structure. I'll probably also take it this way too.

I I guess, what are the names? What's the name of the entity that would actually be doing the buildings?

Yeah. So

yeah. So I'm working with Penn Tiger Construction, p e n tiger construction.

Then, I guess, do you have any examples of structures that they've created?

I don't have it on. Yeah. Oh, I could ask for some.

That's my son.

And, Sheena, Shannon, any Yes. I like to know your statues really late on just AI shows.

Yes. I made it with three d. So I made it with Blender. I what is it? I think some of the photos I just took from online, like the background images, so I don't know.

I didn't put it here on today.

Do you know the size, actual size?

What I designed it for is seven feet by Seven. Four. Four. Yeah. Mhmm.

Are you sure your face is strong enough to hold those statues? So That's what I

was in discussion for. So they'll probably do, I believe, if I remember correctly, like, a structure on into the sunk into the floor with a covering that surrounds the actual structure for support.

And it's just small, and then also, you need some seconds around the base. Right? Maybe maybe now you have space. And also, it's for dancer. Right? Yes. Stretches. And maybe you intended to do the dancer to put some Yeah. Late too short. Maybe you want to see that

I did wanna go a bit more up I did wanna go a bit more abstract.

What will it take to complete the design?

Current time frame You mean designing the artwork or the actual sculpture? The actual sculpture? We have two to three months, I think. Has it started already? Not yet. Okay. And how how much is

the cost estimated for that? As many From the budgeting, how much price is

suggested invoice? For the entire thing, it was, like, $663,000. Right. And so and then I do have a breakdown. Yes.

I have it pulled up Yes. Answer. Uh-huh. So the artwork design is listed as 12,000. The artwork fabrication is listed as 39,000. Installation is listed as $14,500.

So total of how much?

65,500.

Thank you.

I do have a clarifying question. My apologies.

Please go ahead.

So, Amelia, you know, the lower portion that's, like, maybe the left leg abstracted

Yeah.

How high approximately is that tip of the foot? Sorry. The tip the pointed tip.

Probably around, like, four feet, I guess, in.

Yeah. So the reason for my question was I wanna make sure there's, you know, there's some safety there because it's kinda pointed and a little low. If somebody runs into it, have you thought about that? Or maybe have some space around the sculpture when it's installed so that one doesn't walk into it?

Yeah. I could adjust the sculpture a bit. I could I think I haven't given too much thought on that. So I think what I could do, I could accommodate half by raising a bit. I I also probably need to strengthen the base so that will probably increase the height a bit more than what it's currently displayed as.

Yeah. Something to think about to make sure that it's not a safety issue given it's a little pointed. You could even curve it in a little bit, but I'm gonna not give suggestions. I'm not an expert in that. But do consider that in the installation part.

I'll take that in

the next week. Thank you. One thing to clarify, what is the content that you intend to put on the base?

I don't have any specific thing in mind. Probably just some like, something like our same and then public's the ArtPiece's name. Maybe a simple deep brief, but I don't really have anything by anyone at the moment.

If I may, I would encourage you to put your name on it. Artist attribution is very important.

A follow-up question. Can maybe just Yes. For for the staff. What is the timeline for the project itself? The townhomes?

Townhomes? Well, the building permits have been issued. But, actually, mister Young, have a more in-depth knowledge on where you are finishing the project. Is there an estimated timeline on

Estimate the completion probably

by August at the latest. Mhmm. That was the plan. Right now, we are right right on time.

Around that Yeah. Yes. So thank you. And so the two to three months that's just mentioned for the RV, that's right around now. Right? We are in, yeah, Marshalls. So you have you have some time. You know, it takes

time, you know, for us to order the material.

Yes.

Yeah. And the shipping, you know, it takes forever. Logistics is not very smooth right now. So, you know, I appreciate, you know, can give us a comment

Yes.

So we can get any correction if necessary.

Yes.

So we can, you know, make sure we're working as, you know, install securely with the concrete base, you know, the with the steel steel bar in the branch. Also, installation need to be rescheduled.

Yes. Those are all. Yep.

Very much so. Yep. Yeah. Thank you.

A question for staff. Mhmm. Can you remind us, is there a requirement, or what are the implications of the art piece being completed and when the property can be, I guess, officially opened? Like, is is there a requirement that the art piece needs to be installed and completed before the the project is So so so similar to Westport and any other project that has on-site art pieces that the final occupancy of the last unit is subject to the completion of the art pieces. The last unit. Last unit. Okay.

You take a pretty liberal interpretation on that just company for delays.

Okay. Any other clarify clarifying questions from the commission?

So I might have missed this. Is the location of this destination decided of in the?

It's located in the Yes.

Waiting exactly. Right?

Emotions.

So it's located off of Bianchi Way, the street itself, and it's located in the Northwest corner. Which if you were to continue going north up past the blue circle, that would be Stevens Creek Boulevard. Thank you.

Okay. Seeing no other questions, I'd like to close clarifying questions and now open for public comment. Do we have any public comments?

We have no speakers, sir. Alright.

Alright.

I have one more questions. I think the better review together with the naming nomination on the base, And then what's the base material? Mhmm. That way, you cannot make us do has to be some kind of marble or grandknife somehow. You have to them together with your statues. We have to reveal together. Yes. Yeah. I'll take any suggestions. Yeah. Yeah. We have to reveal together. See, I just did today for the landmark with the. Yes. That's to be.

Okay. Yeah. I before we go into discussions, I also wanna thank you, Amelia and Leon, for being here today. Thank you so much for the presentation. It's not every day that we get to actually meet the artist Mhmm. Creating the work Yeah. That we are reviewing. So thank you so much for being here,

and thank you for sharing your work

with Thank you, for your time.

Thank you.

Okay. Now I'd like to open it up for a discussion amongst the commissioners limited to the scope of the item. Let's go one at a time. I'll go in the same order as before. So vice chair, do you have any comments that you'd like to share?

I think it's a beautiful piece. It's consistent with a few other steel public art on Stephen's Creek, if you just drive down. But it's unique enough that it makes an impact. When Amelia walked us through what's really at the this thing is an abstraction of, it really pops. And hence, my my opinion that we should ensure that the name of the artist and the artist is always visible close by.

When you say Arabesque, people who know dance get it right away. So thank you. Back to you, chairman Wang.

Okay. Krishna, Varun, any comments?

Yeah. Yeah. And thank you. So also want to really appreciate the staff in collaboration with the building team and the artists for bringing this proposal. It's I also really want to commend that we have, as we say, a local artist that was part of our probably even a written requirement or definitely an intended desire to have a local artist when we are doing public art pieces in Cupertino.

So I'm very happy about thank you for sharing that introduction. What you shared about the the sculpture itself, also really inspiring, but also quite evident. So the libre, I like very much. I could see it's a dancer. So I love art that can come very commonly given to just the public.

And and you said very rightly, arts and culture and dance and music is a very strong part of our community, and it's we really enjoy and appreciate. So it's a really good representation also of our community around. The one question I have I I know also alluded little bit to it. I was wondering in terms of safety point of view, how sharp are those edges more for the younger, for adult that was concerned. But Yeah.

I don't I I don't know how sharp that is. And even and normally, we I'm going to start ask the staff. Is it our public art pieces, they should be okay to touch, right, to the public, or are they secured? The how are they?

I think most of art pieces that I've seen are, you know, some of the kids climb on them. I mean, they're very interactive.

Yes. Yes. That's what The

ground and

Yeah. So to also the point, in general, it needs to be super safe. And that's the sharp something that just got me concerned for not poke some piece at it. Or even hands. My children are so innocent. They do anything. I wouldn't, but they would. But you may have already thought of it, and this is just a drawing or or a a three d. But you may have already thought of it. Is there something that's You don't do?

Yeah. I think as I've brought up earlier with the vice chair's question earlier, I think we'll probably raise the height of the limbs a bit or the abstract limbs. And then also yes. So it is a bit sharp. The realistically,

it's probably gonna be

a bit rounder than what I signed.

While it's still obviously conveying your artistic, you know, creativity, we it it's not fair to comment on that. We are only commenting on the on on the public safety point of view. And yeah. Okay. Yeah. And I had one more, if I may. You did mention it is not shiny steel. That's some word you use, maybe, which is good. Still, my question is, is there any is it will it have strong strong reflection on sunny days, on very bright days?

I feel like steel is I think it's always bound to have some reflection, especially if there is gonna be any sharper corners. You'll probably see a bit, but the brushed steel is Brushed steel. Yes. Brushed steel is the purpose of it is just

to tone down the reflectiveness. Why? Okay. Okay. Yeah. Because I'm sure you were dealing

with Mhmm.

Material choices based on a lot of this. So it a question may be redundant, but I have to ask. I think I've already thought of it. So but I I just wanted to ask. It just occurred to me that but I think as you said, brushed steel, that that gives it a more calm finish. Yeah. Okay. Thank you. That was it, Jeff. Thank you so much.

Sure. Commissioner Chang, any discussion points?

I appreciate that Indian local artist to develop the artwork to our community. I really appreciate.

I was just curious because this is such a good effort, and I appreciate local. But how was it selected? I I might ignore it. I would like to know that what was the contest, how was it selected, and why did we choose this art piece? It is a curiosity.

It was yeah. It was a lot inspired by my background in Korean throughout my connection to Filipino art. I did go through several drafts going more abstract, but I I felt like having too much of an abstract piece. That moment,

my think I'm gonna pause a little bit. My question is, like, how was it open to public and how was this as an artist, as an art piece, where was the pool and how was it selected for the pool? Maybe I'm not aware, so I would like to know how was it opened to the public and how was it

selected? As an artist as myself?

Or

I think more for the developer. I was Yeah.

Well, first of all, you know, I saw some of his artwork

and and

also, you know, you know, make some interior design for me, which is, you know, very impressive. That's why I should design office phone.

So was it open to public for any other applications? Thank you. Sure. And that's great. Amazing. It's very nice. Good.

But I was figured very valid question. So I'm gonna go back to the staff. Is it the final and I just want to, again, clarify and just confirm for all of us is as the builder has responsibility for the construction, the quality, obviously reviewed through the city and the guidelines and the building codes and everything, how is the responsibility of the safety and the production and the installation of the art piece? Is it also with the builders?

Yes. So, I mean, this has to go through building permit process. It's go through fire department's review. It has to go through, you know, structural with those sort of building division or or engineers as well

as public works.

Yes.

As well as, you know, Danielle will probably look at this for conformity to whatever conditions the commission might place on this as well as the design 10. Like, for example, this is gonna be eight feet tall, I believe, from

Seven feet. Yeah.

Seven feet. You know, if if the artist shows up with a four foot tall piece, as an example, you know, that's nonconformed. Everything's gonna have to be there there's there's actually another level of approval after this as well.

Yep. So

So just like the building and that that review and approval process is very strict guidelines. This piece is also goes through the same. Yeah. So that the safety and the installation

and everything. Engineering. This this has to be engineered

as well.

Any of our piece has to be engineered for win factors and and

Yeah.

Exact that is the confirmation, I think, is because it's not up to us to review the structural piece of it. Mhmm. It is I expect more the artistic piece of it Right. And how it fits into our community. That's Well,

I mean, if I may add, I'm reading the resolution that established the public art requirement in the first place. And one of the one of the criteria that is listed in determining whether an artwork is acceptable includes public liability. It says each artwork shall be examined and approved for safety conditions and factors which may bear upon public liability. So I guess on that note, I mean, is there an engineering review and check for public liability by a member of city staff at a later date?

Yes. So that's part of the billing permit process. So we have engineer a plan check engineers that in our billing division that that will review this. And now for, you know, public safety is, of course, one of the charges of this, of of this ordinance, but also accessibility of ADA. So as as it's in it's through a pedestrian easement to make sure those who disabled can give the same access to someone who is more pedestrian.

Yeah.

And the artwork is required by the city or by the tier to do by the homeland. Required. City. So city has to have final inspection.

Correct.

Not only check the safety, but also check the quality. Right? Correct.

I'll share my 2¢. First of all, I really appreciate your presentation. I think it's fantastic that we have a local artist building a a piece of art for the city of Cupertino. That said, I'm feeling a little bit hesitant to approve the proposal as is just because I feel like there's a couple of points that have been flagged by the commission that I would like to see a little bit more detail on. I mean, I think the safety is is one consideration that has been part of the number of times.

I think the exact material and plan for for the base structure, that was something that was mentioned, I think, at least from my side. So one one line item, one criteria is also technical feasibility. So each proposed artwork shall be examined for convincing evidence of the artist's ability to successfully complete the artwork as proposed. I noticed in the, I guess, the portfolio shared, those are renderings, not actual fabricated art. So I would like to see, I guess, examples of fabricated sculptures, if not by you, by the by the builder that you're working with, to at least to give me a little bit more confidence and a little bit more flavor of the execution of such structure.

So just that's kind of my my 2¢ at this point.

So, it is within the commission's charge to yeah. As a know, this is one of the two commissions in the city that actually has approval authority rather than recommending authority to counsel. Daniel provided a resolution with a condition of approval. If the commission would like, as part of their motion, you could add a conditional approval, you know, say, we approve this subject to a certain safety thing. So as an example, you brought pointing this to the sharpness and stuff a few of the features, maybe reflect that concern in the conditional approval to modify design.

Now this commission has done that in the past with certain art pieces, particularly emergence. There were some conditions added conditions, design conditional approvals that added on to staff's recommendation. So that's just kind of a reminder of any anything you wanna add to this as part of the motion.

Any other thoughts or comments? I I guess just to be clear, at the end of our discussion here, we need to have a decision on how we would like to proceed. So I guess I'd love to hear others' thoughts on how we should proceed.

So as you suggested, that there has to be a spec I mean, inspection by an engineer, but that that that means our decision is not yet ready. Get the decision from the inspectors, engineers come because there is the primary result. So our result cannot be I mean, contingent because we cannot even decide till they have the this my 2¢. So when we get the result, it's safe, secure, everything is done, then we can have any other contingency. But now if you decide on the a few contingencies that it will be considered considered as accepted, just minus these these these things. But my suggestion is we don't we don't have the authority to decide till the inspection is completed Mhmm. From the safety point of view. My suggestion.

Mean, that's I mean, it people don't know how it works. Sorry. But, you know, you typically you you get approved a design, and then it's, you know, it's sub I mean, it's conditioned. We it it will get it it will get reviewed by an engineer to to be done. So

I may and Amelia and and so who they will submit a building permit application packet with the proposed design along with the engineering behind it. And building department is going to look at the engineering behind the structure to make sure that's securely installed into the ground. And then it will be looked at at fire as well as back to building pedestrian friendly elements of the aspect. And my job is to be looking at the structure to make sure it still matches what's coming in, and, basically, the the structural engineering has to reflect the architectural engineering. So it would be a part of that approval process.

And then whatever is approved, the inspectors are going to be looking at that in the field to make sure that the materials are being followed in what's been approved as well as I'll be doing an inspection to make sure it looks as it's been presented in the plans. If that helps with findings.

May I add a comment here, We could do a conditional approval based on successful safety review by the appropriate city departments, specifically on edges and tips safety and solid base for the for the art piece. Those two are the ones that I've heard being brought up. I assume this is part of the process, but I think it's appropriate for the commission to flag these as needing possibly special attention.

Thank you.

Let me ask the question.

So if if I go condition five of the resolution kinda goes with that consultation with other departments, and the opt is responsible to consult with other departments or agency with regard to those project. So that would mean and that's all encompassing conditional approval, which which would include the billing division, fire department, as well as, public works. And then number four as well. So four and five are kinda like those two conditional approval that are already in the

resolution. Sorry. Four and five are you referring to?

Oh, the conditions of approval on the in the resolution.

We attached one.

But, John, you were stating that the resolution already has reviewed by appropriate city departments as a condition.

Correct. So if you go to the, Daniel, attachment one, I believe, the draft conditions four and five.

The

resolution from this task of. So five and six here. Conservations are six. Demolition is fine. You said five and six?

Board 5.

Oh, sorry. Yeah. Board 5. Building 5.

Where are you

the lights here? 1st Floor? Or was it from here?

Actually, I realized we didn't go through the resolution. Mhmm. And you present on that real fast, just the the proposed conditions.

Sure. You

wanna do that, Danielle?

Well, I wouldn't. I mean, if you wanna just

Highlight.

Yeah. Or or are you able to to show them on the screen? Yeah.

Alright. Thank you so much for doing it. You

know, John, you're right. So item number eight says not injurious to property or improvements to public health, safety, general welfare, and so on.

We'll just start with the commission. Let let's go through the chair. Where do wanna start on this?

Yeah. Because you just systems that we go through all of the conditions.

So condition one is approval of the pivots, which is the approval packet. Condition two is accuracy of the project plans, that the conditions of approval will be followed in condition three. Building code and fire building fire code will be the public art will be reviewed by them and approved as well as consultation with other departments such as public works with condition five. Demolition requirements, which is actually more of the overall project site, which was the demolition of the initial structures, and then building is the proposed townhome development. And then we have standard dust control measures that typical that we include when you have any sort of improvements on-site in that.

The site will be water and daily use to help control the desks. This is, again, more so related to the demolition of the existing structure and the improvements on-site, but it's something we include in all conditions of approval. Exterior building materials and treatments. Building exterior, shelf. Again, this is more closely to the existing building and something that we typically include.

The artwork nine is something that was brought up earlier, which is the identification plate where you have the eight by eight flat that's gonna be installed. Permanent installation of the art piece, which it discusses that the art is permanent in nature. We have required this in the final map and that there's actually a public easement dedicated on-site for the public art itself, but it's also recorded in the CCNRs. Ongoing maintenance of the art piece is condition 11. Duplication in that artist has not will not duplicate the art piece.

Condition 13 is a lighting plan. This would be a part of the building permit review and and that I would be looking at it for compliance with our dark side dark sky measures, which you can see in edition 14. Public access to the artwork goes back to our conditions of well, goes back to our public access easement on the map. This is, again, relating to the overall project for any sort of demolition, grading, construction activities. The artwork is a part of, you know, construction activities and will follow our typical hours and notice regulations that we require in Fibertino.

Again, typical conditions of approval for landscape project was submittal. The art pieces of being within the landscape area, so we wanna make sure that the landscape that's approved is a part of the overall project is still in compliance, and it it won't be altered by the the art piece. So these are general conditions that we've our resolutions. Those are probably the rest of it that has to do with the the art piece itself. We have general conditions of approval that we have related to seventeen o four, which is we have a tree nearby, try not to disturb any nesting birds.

That is really it.

And then just a clarification, at which stage or which condition would involve engineering drawings for this piece being submitted and reviewed staff?

Four and five. Four four five. Was it four and five or five or six?

Five. Okay. Four and five. Yeah.

Building, yeah, building fire code. Okay.

Okay. Yeah. I mean, with these conditions, I feel much more comfortable.

Chairman Wang, may I request that we display the resolution, the proposed resolution? Because that is what we are approving. Right? And specifically item number eight.

Condition rate?

The draft resolution.

You you mean above. Right?

Was it conditioned?

There's a document that was attached called attachment a draft resolution.

Right.

Yeah.

Okay. And if you scroll down to

Finding a I think it's it's looking for finding eight. So if you go to because you're talking about the proposal at those those location.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Finding eight versus condition eight. So he's asking he's asking about finding eight.

Okay.

Okay. This one. So if the response here to this item number says it will not be detrimental to, public health safety and so on. So I guess the discomfort here is this is a resolution that the commission is going to approve or not approve. And it's not clear that we are satisfied that the safety related review happened black and white.

Now if there's a place that it says that the appropriate department did look at safety, that's great. If not, then I would at least want this as a conditional approval that the safety review happened by city staff.

Yeah. I I think that's a great catch, vice chair. If we approve this resolution as written, it's basically saying that we, as a commission, are not proposing any modification.

Exactly.

So I am concerned that we as a commission are saying, hey. We are satisfied, but we are not. And maybe we are being extra cautious here, but I think in a in this case, given that the edges and the pointy parts, you know, at least to the normal observer does raise a concern, I think an extra step is really not, all that onerous, and it's probably appropriate.

So through the chair, if I can make a recommendation, you can we can add a conditional approval that that's typically titled design modifications. And in that initial approval, this the commission said we approve this design with these certain modifications. This commission has done this before with emergence. There were some design modification having to do with the the the look of the to make it the the structure more feminine looking. I think that was a that was a modification of the commission made at the time.

And I think that, you know, this is this is why we have conditional approval that you you presented with an RPs and and and as the vice chair brought up, we can conditionally approve the design subject to to certain design modifications. So with this added conditional approval, you can say, you know, could be in again, you the commission will need to come up with the the language itself. But from here, there's concern about the pointiness, the edginess of the of the of of the art piece because it's it could I don't Look at my app possibly. If someone gets too close to it, there's there'll be too much of interaction. You know, it could be could some of the point of our pieces rounded, or could they is there a way to maybe separate the the public from the RPs with a small fence around it so as not to be interacting with it?

I mean, these are this is the discussion that the commission will need to have if that's the direction where you're going. And that should be part of your motion.

Nancy?

That's easy.

So I I think overall, what we've heard from all the clinicians, we like the concept of the design. There's been some concerns on the implementation in terms of the pedestal and the safety on some of the those elements. I think the design was liked by all, and I also feel that we need to be 100 confident. Simon, again, I hate to say. Is is that also an option to give a conditional approval and we we find the right language on what what we all agree on.

And then does it come back to the false information, or what what happens next?

It's if conditionally approved, so which means it does not come back. So you would what you would do is make your conditions. You would say, I mean, if you are want a complete redesign of the of of the art piece, then we could say, yes. It would come back. So as an example with the, Johannmann Park art piece, the commission had some serious design modifications.

So it was something that was beyond staff to to interpret the the the will of the of the commission. If it's an if it if it's a slight modification, like emergence where it was like, okay. We just want maybe more of a rounded figure or, in this case, possibly, you know, maybe take off the pointness of of of some of the lower portions of of the of the the RPs, then I I would suggest I would recommend to the commission of that so that you can easily condition that staff we feel comfortable with that interpretation.

That's definitely one scenario Yeah. The one option. For the other option so that we do get the chance for it. It's just an option. And what would be the downside of that? What do we all feel? Maybe if, Chip, I'm going to see if how far we are all feeling there is a comfort level. I think that we probably all feel at the minimum comfort level. There's some support that.

If I may. If I may. Yeah. So thank you for, I guess, summarizing our discussion so far. Totally agree. I think that's the what is the downside of bringing it back to the commission? That's kinda what I was getting at with my question earlier about trying to understand the implications of approval timings. So it sounds like, really, the only timing consideration is that RPS needs to

be completed before

the last occupancy the last unit is occupied. In my opinion Mhmm. I feel like that's gives us time for one more loop, but that was my interpretation of the situation.

So timing wise, the next meeting is May 18. And I believe in May correct me if I'm wrong. I'm trying to work off memory here. We we introduced the arts awards that night. Is that true? Or is it July?

Sorry. What's the

They're the arts we started the discussion on the arts. So the the theme.

Was Given that the given that the actual event happens in

October, or I could look right now.

I feel like July. I feel like that might be a July topic. Right. Maybe the year past, we did it in May because we had a lot of new commissioners, so we wanted to have a intro discussion first.

Correct. No. It was it was in July. You're right. Yeah. May have last year with SV creates a study session. So

k. Yeah. So I think am I accurate in saying the two options that commissioner Aurora is what we're circling around? So one is approving conditionally with a design modification, and the second is to request the team to bring it back for another review in May.

Right. So if you take the second option, my recommendation is be very detailed as to what you wanna see so as the the artist knows what modifications you'd like to see.

Given these two options on the table, I guess, can we go around the room to share where each individual is is is landing? I'll start with you, vice chair.

You know, I'm concerned that we are not the experts on the safety aspect. You know, the how much it's edgy, how much is that pointy, and how much is that a hazard. So well, either is your options. You know, suppose we say, For the second option, here's what we wanna see. We are effectively being engineers and safety experts.

Somewhere, we need the smart engineering staff at the city to assess whether we are barking up a wrong tree here or there's a real concern, and and they need to say, okay. Here's modification that allay that concern. So my apologies. I'm not picking one of these two. That's still an open question to me.

Thank you.

May I ask a design question? I did have it earlier. It's not given. May I ask you, were there other material choices that you had thought about?

Not so much for the actual figure itself, but we did go into consideration for other materials for the base. I know we've discussed having it out of concrete, but then I do know we kinda reject it just, like, just normal concrete because that probably won't just concrete probably won't completely sustain the actual weight of the structure. So

So I had to thank you. So my response to the pedestal is I'm less concerned about it because I think that's a structural engineering decision. And if we point that out that's with that condition, I fully think there are others that are suited to make that decision. So that that's I'm kind of splitting the two parts now. So I'm saying the pedestal for me is a decision I will leave to the engineers and the structural engineers.

Yes. And that's not me to decide whether it's safe or not. Yes. So I'm I'm okay giving absolutely asking somebody else and appreciating that it can be done by staff and the process. That part is I'm okay with it. The other part, we I I think we have indicated where the concern is just just on the sharpness. And I think the artist understand this, so I think we could work with the staff unless we think the design is gonna be so changed that we'll see it again. That's

where I am.

Not too uncomfortable, but I think the pedestal, I'm very happy to take it as part of the condition. At least I've found that.

I like to see. Now our job is to reveal piece of artwork for safety for planning, landscaping, installation should be revealed by the city or other departments. So as long as the design work cannot change it too much, it will need to reveal them. That's my action. So I support additional. And should be not much material to select that.

I have a question. When is inspection for this after this session, after everything's done or before that? Because once it's done, there's no we'll come back from there.

Inspections happen multiple times during development. So for as an example, you know, mister Hughes' town development, you know, when it came before the planning commission city council, engineers hadn't looked at the design at all. It was really just looking at the site. The public works looks at it. Fire department looks at it for spacing and height, and and all those departments condition the approval.

Only afterward after the design is approved of the development, then the engineers, as as miss Chen as commissioner Chen had had, point out, that's when the engineering gets looked at to ensure that those buildings can be built safely. Okay? Same process with the RPs. And so, you know, how many inspections do the townhomes go through? Numbers. Numbers, like, probably close to over a 100, I'd say. In this case, it won't be a 100 inspections, but they'll look at the foundation port. They'll look at how it's it's it's how the the RP is installed on into the foundation. And then they'll look afterward, probably close to the final one, the access around it too.

Right. I understand. But when when we get building our multiplex, so the inspection, we does there's a lot of redo effect after it. So what what we are trying is, can we do something before it's done so that there's no redo? We can be gauge the safety, security, or accuracy, all the factors before it's even built. Can we analyze it? So that we say, you know, that investment done, that does not really that's my question. Is there any inspection done before it is start before we start building it?

Inspection by?

Any engineers or company who just can review the safety concern before it's made.

For its well, so that's I mean, typically, you wouldn't make something until it's approved. Right? So, I mean, so they they wouldn't fabricate the RPs until the building permit is issued.

Right. So my concern here is I might not go for an approval because if everything is made and then the inspection is done, it's too late for any redo or redesign. So I will suggest that we have something modified and approved by by us that if there's a comeback possible. Otherwise, we might never not even know what happened later. Might be a problem for them later as well. So my suggestion I'm I'm not sure exactly how we review it, but now that the concern has has been flagged, we have to have an action of how we check that this flag has been resolved.

But, I do have more clarity in my mind if I may put that on the table.

Please.

Yeah. I would again, we are still discussing here. Given the discomfort here, I believe we do need to rereview this in the next meeting. And the feedback I would give is address the safety to public regarding the edges and the tips at the lower level. Have, the planning department, I assume that's the right one, of the city, review it for safety with the modifications, and then let's get this back in the next meeting for review and approval.

I guess my my position before that comment, I'm honestly neutral. Right? I think I I did share my concerns earlier. I think, typically, during these presentations, we we receive more evidence of technical feasibility. So I think that would be an area yeah. I mean, frankly, that's an area that I was expecting more of. And, yeah, I'm I'm I'm pretty sure I can hear you.

I have a like to share some. And, also, this is because of discussion evolving viewpoints, and it helps also, actually. How I feel now is we can give the conditional approval, ask the staff to review specifically for the the caution or the concern we have. But we do bring it back in the main meeting because then there's no delay. We allow the staff, and just want to have a final look before it goes into design.

And if we feel at that time, so still have concern, that's when there's going to be a this work anyhow has to be done, but the safety review has to be done. Some redesign and the safety review will have to be done.

Right. I guess my well, it wouldn't be approved then. Because if you're bringing it back, it's not approved. Right. So you we would we would essentially be bringing back a resolution again for you to and a redesign.

Only for those two elements.

Again, so we you Yeah. We would we would sign off on a resolution. So what what we say is that we would represent kinda what we do with John and Park that time. Right? John and Park, the commission had significant modifications, and they we brought it back the following meeting. Then at that time, they that's when they approved it. So so at this point, the motion would be to bring this back at the next at the May the May meeting to to review the redesign. I don't think, at this time, the billing division would review it for safety

Oh.

For engineering. Because if if it's gonna be redesigned, then you have to reengineer it to accommodate for the redesign. So it's you know, again, the charge of this is of the commission is to is to look at the design. Now if they want to if you wanna see how it's gonna be placed in the ground, you know, more engineering, I mean, that's

No. I mean That that that

You can ask

for it. That's fine. If they if they have it already, that's fine too. But, you know, the I'm not an engineer. And I don't think many many commissions are engineers. There's only a few. So Probably Yeah.

I mean, But, I presumably, the applicant has engineers who can put together an engineer. True. But But it needs to come from the ceiling.

That's true. But, again, I I I I recommend that this doesn't count turn into an engineering meeting where we're we're debating how this is placed and and how it's engineered or improving engineering drawings. Like, well, I I kinda wanna see it the foundation four feet instead of three feet. You know, the I think I think the charge of the commission is to look at the design. If it changes the design itself, I think that's within your the commission's purview to to either prove conditionally or bring back at a later date to to ensure that the modification to design, is met.

Okay. I was kind of

Yeah.

That it is with you. I agree with you, John, on the engineering portion, the base, and so on. So thank you. I appreciate your input there. I think it's the safety part, not on the base, but the edges on the pitch that the the bigger concern is coming there.

Building and fire don't sign off on the artwork as designed, which would then modify the design that you would want to relook at the art piece. But, otherwise, building and buyer may let the design not determine a safety issue and and then it be processed as currently designed and with that resolved and other concerns at this point.

A good point. May I ask something that Sure. Question there? Think what you just mentioned, the fire and the safety. So the word safety is what we're all a little bit right now focused on. Do they typically look at these?

Look at the structural integrity of it as so much for the the pointiness of the structure. I I don't know if that's an issue for them. But if it is, they would make a comment on it, and then it would cause modification of the design. And so then if the design changes, that would then be a conversation of Yeah.

Do we bring it?

How significant is that change, and do we bring that back?

I understand that. Yeah. But if if it is already going from if it was to go from Arts and Culture Commission that, please, mister fire department, do get it, I'm sure they will look at it. Or that we have this concern.

They they look at a the building permit review, but they won't look at a building permit until it's been formally submitted, and we won't process Okay. I see. Until we have the engine.

I see. They only look at it then.

Firebase is very much backed up. Yeah. Yeah. I got levels as well.

Okay. So it it it goes through the process. Okay.

If I may, in in the interest of time, I'll go out and open here.

I guess.

And I guess to preface that, the reason why I'm being challenging and difficult is because at the end of the day, I feel accountable as a member of the commission for public art pieces that are installed in the city. So I've I've heard complaints about other pieces that have been installed. So I from members of the community. So I just want to make sure that we're doing our due diligence as, I guess, that's in our mandate by council to thoroughly vet and review any public art proposals that come before us to make sure that it best serves the community. So that's where all of my questioning is coming from, is from that lens, not because I don't like the work or not because I'm trying to be difficult.

That said, I do feel like we are a bit split as a commission on how to move forward. I think there's two that want to move forward conditionally with a with an approval conditionally and two that feel a little bit more on the fence, maybe leaning more towards bringing it back. I guess my proposal is given I don't think we have a clean, unanimous decision as of today, my proposal would be to request the team to bring this back in our May meeting, addressing the specific concerns, and and we can detail specific points that we want touched on for an approval then. Thoughts? Questions?

Yes. I I agree with that. And I'm gonna use the example. Would you put a smaller version of this outside our Cupertino Library where the dancing children statue is and let children climb on it? I would not. And the lower tip is low enough that one day a kid is gonna climb on it and hurt themselves. And it's a beautiful piece with that one safety issue exception, which I believe can be addressed.

Would it help if I give any suggest like, I give what I'm thinking in mind of how resolving this for now? So with all the concerns I brought up, I understand. What I was thinking of helping resolve this problem for now is because, currently, the art piece itself is more vertical on the axis than horizontal. I was thinking maybe of tilting and more yeah. Tilting towards what would be now the left side of the axis.

So that way it brings up that limb a bit and then I can also extend it. And then rather than having the limbs at it, like, more of a tip, I could round it off because the actual structure itself right now does have more of a, I guess, a triangular shape, a prism shape. I could round that off into more of triangle tip rather than just a sharp, like, pencil tip if that helps resolve any any questions that you guys have or concerns.

Yeah.

It it does help. I

think so. So, again, in the time, maybe sorry. Please go ahead.

Fortunately, not the

I think I don't remember if I adjusted this correctly, but, yes, we what I have listed as the suggested suggested measurements for the base

Yeah. Yeah.

Was a four by four.

Inherited, say

Yes. To a five. So you stay on that cap.

Is it possible to raise the height just in general? Make it bigger?

Yes. Yeah. That would be possible. Maybe there's an

appearance would be I really like your ideas anyhow because it keeps the concept. It it could have been like that to start off with. Yeah. I see The concept. Yeah. That's right.

I see two areas where you could I could possibly raise the height. One is obviously the pedestal, that one. But that was still I think with your concerns, that would still leave a stepping stool, I guess. Right? I probably would, like, this again, with the concern about the stability of the actual piece itself, the base of the actual where it's standing up on the pedestal will probably widen a bit, and I could in I could also raise that distance in like, just keep the proportion wise of the base while lifting up the entire height of the sculpture. Idea.

But the question still lingers back that are we approving it with the modifications intended, or we do we wanna check that the modification suits what the safety concerns we have? That's the question we have.

I think I proposal would be to ask if we have to come back during our main meeting Sure. I guess, with a concrete proposal taking into consideration the feedback that

we've discussed. Absolutely.

Yep.

Yes. A question. We need a motion for this? Yeah. Okay. So my suggestion with the motion, can the commission be specific as to what would you like the artist? What modifications you would like the artist to make just so as that that decision can be made in the main meeting?

So feel free to jump in, but I think the primary one that was mentioned by the team is to address potential safety concerns with the sharp tips near the limb so that could be addressed a couple of routes. And, I guess, I would leave the exact execution onto you after your investigation. But options could include changing the tilt to basically make the point above a point that would be a touch of a hazardous. The second would be rounding the edges. And then third would be reducing the reducing the accessibility of the pedestal to to or I don't know how you'd actually go about that, but make it less feasible for someone to step up and Mhmm.

But, I mean, at the end of the day, I think this is a design question. So, I mean

I think that's well put

to you. What you think stress is

the best. And

then I would also like to see a little bit more evidence on the actual fabrication and construction. The the contractor that you said you plan to work with, Pentagon Construction, I'd love to see if you have any examples that you can share of sculptures that they've made. Anything else that we discussed that wasn't captured or is shouldn't have captured?

Sure, Wang. I think the points you mentioned absolutely address

some of

the discussion here. Maybe we can make a motion on that now. Stop the meeting. Okay.

Please agree with the proposed motion.

Okay. What I have for the proposed motion, address potential safety concerns with the sharp tips near the limb by changing the tilt or rounding the edges and reducing the accessibility of the pedestal and more evidence on the fabrication and construction. And then it's bringing this back to the new meeting.

May I have

a quantification as for clarification of examples from the selected installed contract.

Yeah.

May I have?

Examples of sculptures made by the selected Builder. Builder contract. Builder. What is it called?

Pentel. Pentel? Pentel. I think Pentel. Pentel. Pentel.

Okay. So more evidence on the fabrication and construction of sculptures made by the selected builder.

Okay. I'd like to motion what was read by Lindsay.

I can second the motion.

K. So we'll do a vote. Commissioner Chen?

Additional votes.

Vote. Yeah. No?

No? Commissioner Amanda? Yes. Commissioner Aurora? Yes. Vice Chair Lambda?

Yes.

Chair Wayne? Yes. The motion carries with Commissioner Chen Bodhi.

My willingness to change. I really appreciate that.

I know it's not the outcome you wanted, but, yeah, I hope Yeah. That's how it is.

You.

Amelia, thank you for your work. It's a beautiful piece. I think with these modifications, we'll all be satisfied. So looking forward to seeing your presentation again.

Thank you. Looking forward to see

see you guys again too.

Alright.

Thank thank you. Thanks. Thank

you for your attendance.

Are

we free to go? Got it.

Okay. Is

it possible to make a comment on this topic?

It's already been

Oh, maybe it's it's a new agenda. It's okay. I'll put it into the proposed new agenda.

Moving on to the next item on the agenda, subject status update and presentation, the Arts and Culture Commission subcommittee charged to inventory assets within the city of Cupertino representing both physical, organizational, and programs related to arts and culture. The recommended action is to receive presentation and provide guidance to subcommittee on next steps. So I have a presentation. Am I allowed to share directly, or should I send it to you?

You can share it over Zoom. I sent you a panelist link to your email, so if you just get in there and you can go to Zoom and share it. You should have received an email.

Also,

sorry the discussion went a bit long.

It was important. I I we appreciate your patience.

We'll try. I thought the last.

Perfect. Feeling there. So just share.

So a couple meetings ago, we established subcommittees. One of the subcommittees was to work on inventorying the art that we have in Cupertino. So this is an update from Garmin and myself. As a little bit of background for everyone, this is the powers and functions of our commission. So you'll see point number five explicitly says to maintain an inventory of facilities available for related arts and culture activities within the community.

So, basically, what we're trying to do here is is address this function directly. It's already been something that has been charged to us by council. So, hopefully, they appreciate this effort, and this hopefully, this is a clear way that we, as a commission, can help contribute to the city. I want to say thank you so so so so so much to vice chair Lambert. He did all of the heavy lifting here, going around the city, documenting over 40 public art installations and taking photos of them.

So a tremendous effort. Thank you so much. Let's share. Do you want to talk to this slide in the following?

Sure. Sure. Thank you, chair Wang. So, between us and and, chair Wang, you know, we start this effort. A few comments from me here. Number one, I think we should be really proud in Puppetino to have some really good public art. Now remember, art's in the eye of the beholder. Right? The beauty. And some of them, I say, okay. They're kind of meh. And some of them are fantastic, but that's my opinion. Others may have different opinions. So based on the inventory we got from from John, initial inventory, we've kind of cleaned it up. The first one is there's a bunch of nonexistent installations.

There's two two loops that stood out. Apparently, there's a tile wall that's supposed to be there in the Quinlan Park Quinlan Center. It's not there. I asked the office there. Nobody could find it.

And there's a bunch of murals that are supposed to be at the Whole Foods. Maybe it was the old Whole Foods, but the management came out of the Whole Foods and helped me look around, and we couldn't find it. I've taken high quality photographs of pretty much all these, including any artist attribution plots. We've also listed other art assets like studios, galleries, and so on. I think a lot of you we have talked about the Eufryd gallery, but there's another gallery, kind of a pseudo gallery, which is a Cupertino library, has some excellent art displays also.

The issues the major issues I found is very often, I could not find a plaque given the name of the art piece and the artist's name. I did not do a thorough review of requirements, but I believe, in our requirements for the developer, I don't think we have listed that as a requirement. It needs to be checked. Either way, we need to address this, in my opinion. Also, some installation do not have convenient public park parking nearby.

A few examples, the art piece at the forum, you know, I had to illegally park on the road and quickly run and take a photograph. There is no convenient place to park. Another one is the Apple campus on Tantau, but not, you know, right just north of the, visitor center. So only Apple employees are allowed to, park there. There is a small sign that you can go in and get a permit.

So I did that so that I could park and took a photograph. Last thing, again, these are my opinions. The emergence, which is a fantastic piece in my you know, the photograph on the top right, that really stands out. It's it's teal, but it's got some color. It's got a beautiful theme with butterflies and so on.

And the second one, which if you've been to the Cupertino Library, the dancers and friends statue, it is so popular with kids. Every kid in Cupertino who comes to the library knows this piece. Let's go to the next page, please. These are just some photographs. I mean, I did not, like, specifically pick a few, but this tells you there's some beautiful art out there. The top left is next to the forum. The one next to it is called the Stargazer. It's a little off the beaten path. It's at the Hyatt Hotel house Hyatt House on De Anza And 280 Intersection. Below that is the reader.

It's also a little hidden, but kids will go to the Cupertino library and inside their, whatever that inside part is, which is Open Air, the statue is out there. The one in the bottom right, this is the one in the Jolliman Park, the new children's park that was opened out there. The one above that is in the Apple campus. And the one on the right, you've probably seen it's a intersection of Stevens Creek and Wolf Road. That's about it. I'll hand it back to you, Chairwank.

Thank thank you so, so, so much for going out and actually taking these photos and making sure that the r three selling centers is a huge resource for the city. Okay. So these slides are not as nice as Scripps, but I also wanted to touch on a couple of the other items that we've worked on. So try to inventory, like, physical studios. So these are spaces that artists can use or students can use to learn art.

Yeah. Name, address, website, two galleries that were mentioned, and then three main organizations that came to mind, Kupiterion Library Foundation, Bell, Rotary Club. If you can think of any others, I mean, please let us know. We'll add it to the list. But, yeah, in essence, that's what we created was an inventory.

Currently, it's a live document, but the idea is perhaps we can, maybe every year or so at some cadence, just update it just to stay up to date on anything Arch related. Moving on to, I guess, the next topic, I wanted us as a commission to discuss. Now that we have this resource, what do we wanna do with it? Right? How do we want to leverage this information?

So this is an app that was released by the city several years ago, a kubectino art tour. It's an augmented reality tour, you can go around the city. It has some public art tagged and go up to the actual sculpture and learn more about the artist, the construction, the technology, etcetera. So this is one research that already exists. It's not up to date, but it exists.

And for some inspiration, this these are some examples of what other municipalities have done. So the city of Mountain View, they have a public art map on their website. Palo Alto has a public art map slash collection on their website. So these are all of the pieces in their collection and and the ones that are, I guess, in on display outside have an address. And then the city of Sunnyvale has in addition to the collection, they also have created physical art walks.

So these are, like, actual pamphlets that they've printed out.

I want to send to

Yes. Yes. Yes. They they so they've created pamphlets

Yeah. That's

where community members can pick them up from the Art Center City Hall and follow them around the city.

Yeah. Not just the tour. Just the art, but also access them.

Exactly.

Combined together. Virgin people go to.

Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. So there's a wide range of what I think we can do with this information or what other cities have done. So discussion.

How do we, as a commission, want to leverage this information collected? I've jotted a couple of a couple of examples here, but I really wanted this to be a discussion. So I'll I'll just read a couple of ideas so far. Yeah. Publish a public art catalog onto our city website, update art tour with latest public art, create a self guided walking tour map, create art attribution plaques we're missing. I don't know how we would actually execute on that, but, Gurmit, this is in response to to your observation.

Yep. And

then five, I think we should I'll just jump ahead. I think we should do this regardless of any of the first four is reach out to local art studios, galleries, and organizations, at least just to, like, let them know we exist. And in the process, try to learn from them if there's any opportunities that we, as a commission, can help with, publicity, connection with city resources, or collaboration. I I would argue number five is actually part of our core powers and functions as well. What is it? Provide liaison between various art and culture activities.

So It's also a general plan policy. Is it? Using art for economic development.

Oh. Okay. So, anyway, I'll say, sorry, five regardless. But, yeah, what do people think?

I feel. I'm very consumed.

Yeah. So Yeah? Yeah. Yeah. It's a

I agree. I I

think having this inventory, I commend both to you, chair and vice chair, Lama, for putting your subcommittee efforts to put this together. I think it's great. In terms of ideas next, my question is going to go to staff. Is how will it be done? So for example, the outdoor update, that's the software app. So my question is to the staff. If we chose to do that, how will it actually get done?

Well, it's already done. I mean, mean So the new one. It's there. It's just

a matter

of updating it with with the pieces that are that are on there. You can go on right now and and get on your phone

and Yes. Functional.

Yeah. It's just a matter of working with IT to supply them with the list. A prior commissioner had done this huge I don't know if I said it to the subcommittee. I can't remember. It was like a a table both, like it was, like, paragraphs and paragraphs of information about the artist and stuff. And I think that was just way too I mean, personally speaking, that was way too long and unneeded. You know, I think I think it's it should be very abbreviated, you know, the information on there. But

How's the staff dying?

I can work with the IT director to see who would who on their staff could do this.

Okay.

Because, like I said, it's there. It's you know, the city's already paid for it. I think it's just a matter of inputting the new information.

Yeah. Okay. Thank you for for

explaining that.

So then I I do have a strong recommendation to include in there the second one. But also definitely the first one because that's the website, so why not put it there? Those two at least come to me as something if we can get the help from staff. Yeah. We have to see how we can do it. But, yes, those are the ones that I have very, very strong interest that if you can provide that part. Yeah.

Yeah. I guess, John, just from a staff perspective, can you give us your quick thoughts on one through four, like, how feasible they are?

Yeah. I was thinking about it. And shoot. Let me just figure out how to share my I have to go I have to log in to share my screen.

Yeah. I can get No.

I I I got it. It's just a matter of me getting onto it. You know, the arts and culture commission already has. So, as you know, the arts and culture commission has their own web page. Within that web page is a sub there's, like, child pages. Right? Unfortunately, it's not linked through here, but if you type in, like just try to type in, like, artist awards in the in the search bar on the in the web page. Like that. Right. And so you see Ideally, what I would do is have something like a child page Yeah.

Underneath this. Yeah. It shows like and that's something we could do three hours. Honestly, it's it's it's so easy now. You could you know, and we could probably turn that Excel sheet into if you go if you type in the I'm sorry, chair. If you type into the search bar, do major residential projects. I wanna show you an example of yeah. Click on that. So you you do something like this. Right?

Like, table like that. You know, like like, artists but instead of, like, you know, just have the art piece, location. And so the table could be, like, city theme colors like this, kinda consistent throughout, so you think and maybe have a link to a photo or

Yeah. Yeah.

Or whatever else. I mean, those are things that's I I can knock this out in, you know, three hours. Honestly, it's just it's super easy to do. So it's nothing that I would think the counseling's a weigh in on or or whatnot. But I think it's Yeah. Like, I don't know. This is

I don't know. Yeah. I

think it's

Easily do. Yeah.

Hey, Yes. Remember when I saw you at the reception, I was I was talking to the front desk in the city hall?

Absolutely. Yes.

Yeah. So that person I was talking to turned out to be a pretty good art appreciator or something. She showed me a website on the city pages that was created, I believe, for some event this year, which actually has a art map. I'm gonna dig it up and speak to you. So couple things just on the list that you had mentioned, Chair Wang.

So number one, art tour. Number two, the website. Both these assets exist. They need to be updated. And if, John, you and your role as a liaison can connect with the IT department and get me introduced, I can kind of guide a little bit on details that may not be clear in the spreadsheet. So yeah. So my proposal is if we move forward on those two, and I'll dig up the website. It's somewhere in the city, pages. It's an update. But

I think

yeah. Go ahead, please.

It's No. I think we can

you know, I could check with the city attorney and make sure that that maybe three of them can meet as a subcommittee. It doesn't it's with any Brad Act violations. Good

point. And, you know,

if someone from IT could join, or I could it's just me, and then I could just work with IT.

From the subcommittee.

Yeah. Fair enough. Just guide us there, whatever is appropriate, but I'm very happy to interact with whoever, kind of help them decipher the spreadsheet and if there's missing items

Yeah.

On both the website and the Artura app. And the last thing I wanted to say here was regarding the plaque with artist name and attribution and the name, I think we need to do a review of the requirements, whatever the document is called, and see whether it's listed there or not. I believe it's not. If it's not, then we may wanna put this in the agenda for a future meeting and actually work on amending that document and requiring artist attribution plaque.

I believe the plaques are part of the ordinance already. Okay. If we go back, some of these are paste some of these are pieces, like the one at Whole Foods, I believe, predates the ordinance. So and I've been required to put a plaque there. Some of them do not predate the ordinance, and they just didn't put a plaque in. And so it'll be a little bit of homework to see which which are which. And does your does your spreadsheet if I I I don't recall. Does your spreadsheet identify which art pieces have a a plaque?

Yes. I have put photographs where there are attribution, photographs of the attribution, and then no plaque.

K. I mean, a real sneaky way to do it is in case those developments come back with a project, we can always say, part of condition of approval is to put a plaque on this piece that you didn't do it the first time, which which has happened. You know? We've done this when they've come in for, like, building permits. We've noticed that certain things weren't done that were missed, and we've had them go again, whatnot. So I think that helps having this. You know, I don't know if I'd make this public as part of, like, the

Yeah. Yeah.

The the the chart, but I think, you know, as something that's an internal document, we can we can keep and say, okay, keep track of.

Yep.

I like your idea.

Yep. Back to John. Mhmm. Feasibility. Oh, I guess you kinda already talked about this one. But what do you think about feasibility at number three? Oh,

that would probably take a little bit more staff work. Mhmm. K. Self guided self guided walking tour map. Like, an actual pamphlet, like, physical. Someone would have to create content. Right. Yeah. Yeah.

And may I ask? Yep. Walking tours, so some of these

are

quite far spread out. Right? Are we that's okay? Well, so They're a few miles away.

Maybe as inspiration. So Sunnyvale, I think,

does it

really, really well.

Yeah.

So they have, over here, they have six maps, actually.

Yeah.

So six different neighborhoods

That's how

clusters or I mean, you're you're not telling them to literally walk from one end of the city

to the other.

So you So

maybe, I mean But it is.

It is. Yeah.

Yeah. I can envision maybe, like, there's a cluster near City Hall Yeah. That has a lot of art pieces. Yeah. So maybe there's, like, a little one there. And maybe there's another cluster near Memorial Park. Something like that.

Yeah. We can even do it in phases.

Yeah. I can take a look. If you can send me that link after the meeting, can take a look at

it and kinda maybe run it by some some folks to see what's the feasibility of that. Hopefully, we need to

get some type of monies request money from council as part of that.

Any any additional ideas that are not part of this list from the commissioners?

So all of this is, like, from our direction. Can we have something that people participate from their direction? Like, how do they how do we confirm that they have actually seen, learned, or felt it? Maybe some something some contest or some flyer or some event or something that they can be there. Yeah.

I mean, I think that's a great point. I would say, as a starting point, we all of us as commission members should feel as a liaison between mission and members of the public. So, I mean, feel free to ask anyone in your life

Sure.

What they think about Polivar and Cupertino Okay. And if they have any recommendations for how we can make it more accessible

to Sure. Sure.

Go ahead. Yeah.

I'm feeling coder. Is it really?

You know, once we have the website and the art tour app updated, you know, that's a great launching point to communicate with more people, market it, maybe publish an art tool. Maybe next year, we do a art walk day where we publish various art work and folks go around and have a nice walk. Maybe partnership with the Parks and Rec team. But the route is let's get the work with the IT team to get these two assets updated, and then we can start thinking of brainstorming ideas on how to get the community excited about art in Puppetina.

I love idea. Yeah.

Okay. Uh-huh. Sorry. Yeah. So, actually, we can have a fun activity. If if you have a case of peak places where these are located. So when there's any event in Library Corridor, then we can have a treasure hunt or something with our face so that they actually go and see by a game of play. And if we have something in memorial, maybe when we have the Cherry Festival or Diwali or something. In that way, we can have a price for the treasure hunt. So if we can have all these points, have some treasure, people build themselves, go. It's just, you know, keep pushing them. So that will be easier and fun activity. Absolutely.

Give you a small check off, and you involve the youths. Right. It can be easily done. Right. Very small gifts are enough motivation.

Yeah. The winning feeling itself more than the price. That means

I think what a wonderful idea, commissioner, making it part leveraging existing events like the. I think that's a fantastic idea.

Throughout the year, we have so many festivals that play in memorial, in library. And as you mentioned that it just had that no. We can just use that those ones.

Yeah.