Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

Okay, we're we're on whenever you're ready to call to order the planning commission meeting of December 9th that I do. Roll call. Oh, I ask you for the roll call. Yeah. Okay. Uh David Fully here, Matthew Gerty here, Gary Lillard here, and Liberty Aila and Max Cola are absent, excused. Next is is there any changes to the additions or changes to the agenda? There's not.

See, entertain a motion on the minutes. That's the consent agenda. Motion on the minutes of the last meeting. Anybody get chance to look that over? Wasn't a whole lot there. Oh, yeah. [laughter] Yeah. Good. Second. Oh, okay. That's fine. [laughter]

Right in the middle. I mean for Zoom like people that are on watching it on YouTube, they're seeing everything that's on the watching. They don't show up. No, no, they're not actually logged in and participating.

Next is public comment. public comments on anything in particular. Yeah, anything that's not on the agenda. Anybody here that wanted to speak on something not on agenda? Okay, that's nobody. Right. I got to move this thing along here. [snorts] Uh, so new business. Yep. New business. [laughter] Then you could jump to the script and that is again. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Then there's a script that's Oh, I see. Open the public hearing and ask for the rules of order for this public hearing to be read in their entireity. Ready?

Yeah. The planning commission will conduct one quasi judicial public hearing tonight to consider a subdivision and variance permit file number 02-ub-25 and 04-v25 applicant Clint Troyer. The hearing will proceed as follows. The chairperson will request a staff report which includes applicable criteria and standards for the issue under consideration in the application. As part of the staff report, the applicant may have the opportunity to address the commission prior to public testimony. The chairperson will then ask for public testimony relating to the application. The chairperson may state a time limit for testimony. If no time limit is announced, testimony will be limited to three minutes. All testimony must be directed toward the applicable criteria. Oregon land use law requires that all issues raised by a participant during the hearing must be sufficiently clear and specific to allow the hearing body and other parties an opportunity to respond to those issues. Failure to raise the issues during the hearing may invalidate a future appeal. The order of testimony this evening will begin with that of proponents, those in favor, followed by opponents, those opposed, and ending with those neutral. An opportunity will be provided to parties, proponents first, then opponents to clarify any issues or raised or to rebut testimony. If additional documents or new evidence is introduced during the hearing, any participant may request a continuation of the hearing. Any participant may request that the that the hearing record be kept open for seven days to submit additional written evidence or testimony for the purpose of responding to new evidence unless wave. The applicant has seven days to submit a written response. The proceedings are being electronically recorded to be converted to written minutes. When testifying, please step to the podium and state your name. Members of the planning commission may ask questions of the staff or hearing participants if present at any time. The chairperson will then close the hearing or continue the hearing at a specified time and place. All decisions must be based on findings of fact from the staff report or evidence and testimony received which

relate to the criteria of the land use decision. A commissioner must declare any experte or prehering contact including the person's name and the nature of the discussion as well as any site visitations to the area in question. Commissioner should declare any personal or financial interest in this matter and may disqualify themselves from participation in this hearing. Does any commissioner wish to make a declaration? Um I will say that and maybe this is appropriate. I talked to the city forester Theresa Gustin about space for plant trees

and I'll address that in my staff report too. So Uh, does anyone in the audience wish to challenge the right of any commissioner to hear this matter? Let the record show there are none. Okay, staff report.

Yeah. So, I'm going to give you kind of the executive summary of what's in your packet and then if you have questions, we can dive into specific sections if needed. But, uh, u the page I have up on the screen is the second page or third page in the staff report. Uh this is a 13 lot subdivision. It's the second phase of the ridge subdivision. So it sits just immediately uphill to the south and uh it is designed with a 60 foot wide rightway that will match the design and construction of the existing ridge. So it'll um appear and function the same. Um um in addition to this, city code requires that we plan for connectivity with adjoining properties. And initially uh we were looking at extending a roadway out to the east to connect into Bonavville Lane as an emergency access uh but ran into some challenges with property owners willing to grant easements and access uh for that purpose. and the property to the south is heavily encumbered by wetlands and it's just physically not possible to put a road through that property that would meet city standards. Um so for connectivity, this project proposes uh two stubbed roads to the property to the west. Um that would connect uh ultimately it would extend even further west and and tie into Second Street at some point. And we already have u a a stub or a rightaway uh on one of the properties further west that would align with the south stub uh that's proposed in this development. Um let me scroll down to the the next map that I have in here for uh that's highlighted. So this the highlighted red area is the area that's proposed for street dedication. Um the stubs that extend out uh west of uh of Ridge Drive uh would only have

enough improvement to provide a turnaround but not stub all the way to the property line. The right of ways will be dedicated for future connection when property to the west u looks to develop and they can pay for that extension but otherwise for this project it's really a matter of creating block segments and emergency service turnaround locations. Um and uh water and sewer and the storm water uh for this development is uh intended to be engineered and constructed by the city public works department and the road surface uh curbs and sidewalks. Those would be privately done after public works is done uh by the developer. Um and uh to get to the street tree question that you asked for, uh street trees are required by city code and they would be it'd be something similar to probably what the first phase of the ridge subdivision has. But that is something the developer will be asked to put together a plan or coordinate a plan with the city urban forestry prior to final plat. And then that plan then gets submitted and accepted as part of the plat. Uh and then the developer has two options for planting street trees. Uh the first option is they could just plant them and try to manage and maintain them, keep them watered until the lot's selling and developed. or the second option which uh the city recommends is the urban forestry uh department uh with the first phase and they've done this on a couple developments now is where the developer can essentially post a bond in the in the form of essentially writing a check to the urban forestry program to pay for those trees and then the urban forestry program will take on the responsibility of uh of working with each property owner as lot sell and develop uh help them select a tree through the urban forestry program and get that tree installed. So that's the recommended

option because then that way you don't have trees that potentially may not survive if they're not getting watered or maintained. So So there's going to be another another kind of bite of the apple here. Yes. And so that'll it'll go to city council. So it won't come to the planning commission. The final plight only goes to the city council. Uh but as part of that request going to city council, the developer will address the street tree piece as kind of a component of that submitt. And so uh anyway, so that's kind of a kick the can down the road, but you're welcome to have some conversation on that if you want. I just don't know if a lot of thoughts been put into it yet. Uh should I wait for commission? Yeah. Okay.

Yeah. And then with this request, there's three variances. There's a variance on the density standard. This is currently in a lowdensity residential zone that requires four units per acre and the applicant is looking to reduce that density to something that's consistent with the existing bridge subdivision as well as the properties that are around that. And part of that is due to topography and part of it is due to having to work around the wetlands that are kind of in the southwest boundary of this property that they've avoided. Uh and then there's a huge power line easement that uh that is across the northern portion and so they're asking for uh a density reduction to two units per acre which is consistent with that area. Um and then the other one is a block length uh requirement. Uh this design actually just barely does not meet that requirement. The city standard requires 500 foot maximum block lengths and uh and this one scales out to roughly 514ish feet. And so it just just missed it, but anyway uh that's in here. And then the last one, which is the most important one, is a variance from the culde-sac standard. Um, dead-end streets are required to terminate at a cul culde-sac that has a diameter of 100 ft and that's just physically not possible and result in lots that uh would meet city standards and be consistent with the development. and the applicant uh as well as avoid the the wetland and the applicant has coordinated with the fire department for an alternative turnaround which would be a hammerhead at that south boundary and kind of a Y-shaped turnaround and ultimately when that road extends to the west then it wouldn't really be considered a dead end at that point but uh in the interim anyway it would be a a

Y-shaped turnaround that is designed and sized u you know coordinates for the fire department to support fire trucks. So, that's kind of the summary. There's uh uh conditions of approval added in the end, and I'll just give you a quick summary. There's one for uh uh putting together a dust control plan, which is really having a water truck on site uh during the dry season. Um public works had some comments on uh engineering um related to these are after uh the preliminary plan would be approved would be for the developer to coordinate with public works on the uh how the street surface is going to be engineered who's going to do the inspections which usually public works does those uh but that would be coordinated between uh this decision and actual construction Um the engineering of water, sewer, and storm water is going to be done by public works, but they ask for a condition in there. So, if the applicant chooses to do that work uh privately that uh that they would be on the hook for that um something for your conversation, it's not in this proposal, but there's a condition for street lights. Uh the existing phase one subdivision has street lighting at at a uniform spacing. um they're it's not reflected in this plan. So that's included as a condition of approval. Um so that's something that you and the applicant can discuss um if that condition was to be removed. Um um for design and construction and driveway approaches that that's typically done um post construction when somebody comes in and gets a building permit and they build and they actually know where they want their driveway. But sometimes as part of forming uh the curbs and sidewalks, the developer kind of pre-locates curbs and sidewalks and and so anyway uh so the condition you see there is just

identifying that public works has a design standard for what that looks like um and that that needs to be followed. Um the street tree planting plan is on there as a condition. Um uh the rightway dedication. There's a section that's north of Bonavville Lane that's kind of no man's land. It's under the power lines and that was decided to be dedicated as part of the public right of way. It could be used for storm water or just some open space next to the right of way. Um an installation of street signage prior to um completion and adding a clustered mailbox station which is a post office requirement for mail service. uh you know prior to final completion. So so that's the list of conditions that are on there. Uh most of those are city code things and they're only listed as conditions. It's just kind of a reminder to kind of reinforce the requirement. They're not new things. U but uh that's the summary of the application. Uh do you have any questions of me on on code related? presume Bongville Power is okay with the use of their ement to cross with the streets.

They have not commented, but they uh typically are okay with the use of that right of way as long as you're, you know, not within 50 ft of a structure and there's no structures within this dedicated section. So there's there's really no impact to Bonavville Power. Historically, they've supported driveways and roadways in the vicinity of the power lines just because it gives them good access, but uh we don't have any comments from Bonavville Power on this. I'm not I'm not totally understanding the conditions. Yes.

So, are they on? Yeah, they're on the last page of the staff report. Uh, tell you what page they're on. It didn't print back. Oh, I didn't see them printed here. They would be on page 22, which which I don't actually have. Yeah, I don't either. It didn't print front to back. Darn it. I think we've got it up here. As long as you can see. It's 22 of the PDF, but let me see where we're at here. That's That's 13. [clears throat]

There's eight nine. So, so anyway, so they start here. And so the the comments in blue are ones that were uh added by public works since I did the staff report, but uh so if you want to we could take some time to let you read these. uh conditions of approval means that we are conditioning this this development include the

Yes. Yeah. So there's elements in the submittal that do not fully address some of the requirements. um they're assumed, but uh so the conditions of approval just kind of catch those areas that were either overlooked or or kind of missed in the design phase or their requirements that come after. In many of these cases, they're requirements that um developer has a responsibility to coordinate after they get your decision. And uh so these are just kind of there to uh remind the developer that these steps are still needed that are yet to come.

Any concerns about traffic?

There is not. So, the only uh I mean I haven't received any comments from public works or from any neighborhood residents about traffic, but uh and I I think if they were asking for the full density of four units per acre, I think we we would have generated uh you know some more comments. Um, but that was partly where the conversation started with this project as a secondary uh uh exit off of uh out of this development to the east through Bonavville Lane. And so that we started that conversation and the the applicant I don't know how many months worked with the neighboring property owner even developed a plan and even had lawyers draw stuff up and everything was agreed to and then they bailed out at the last minute

and so so that was that easterly connection was removed from the plan u and that's where uh the westerly connections were added. Um the fire department has reviewed that and and from a fire code standpoint, the threshold I think is 30 dwelling units. Um triggers that need for a secondary access. And this project with the phase one of the ridge subdivision, I want to say it's like 28 dwelling units.

It's just below that threshold that needs an an alternative exit. So, so with that, it's a legit request for a dead-end street. It's longer than desired, but it's valid. Yeah, I was down here one of these further along the road and there was something that happened that you couldn't get out of that. I think that's worth some consideration. It is. And that was that was a lot of the conversation with the fire department and with the neighboring property owner. And so, um, but yeah, the 30 units is the threshold. So, that's, uh, that's why you don't see a secondary access road, uh, proposed for construction.

So, I think it was I don't see this for one of the variances. I think it was talking about element.

Uh, can you just like elaborate on that? How that plays a role in the Yeah. So, the geologic hazard zone is really uh it's partially related to the variance on topography just because you need larger lots to accommodate uh development. Let me see if I I don't know if I have a map in uh in this piece, but uh the geologic hazard zone essentially starts, you know, fairly high up on 12th Street. It runs uh all the way down past Geckler, past the school district, and and ends, you know, somewhere around Adams and Terrace, kind of in that northwest corner of town. And all that zone is, it's an area that has soil types that um I'm not a geologist, but they're coluvial soil types that are kind of a looser soil and they tend to uh be susceptible to erosion and and failure. And so within that zone, we generally look at as part of construction itself. So that'd be something that the applicant could work with public works on if there's a concern, but they'll deal with an erosion control plan and figuring out how to make sure there's not going to be any significant cuts that uh we're aware of in this where like the hospital where you have to worry about slope failure. So, it's really going to be dealing with erosion and with public works dealing with, you know, putting in city storm drains that'll uh handle a lot of the uh the storm water that is uh predicted for this property. But to take it one step further, at the time each one of these lots go to develop and they come in with a building permit, that geologic hazard zone has implications for each property owner. And so then we'll look at how each property itself is dealing with storm water management. And uh typically they just design their landscaping around the periphery of the property as bioell so it can receive water rather

than sheet flow and dump it onto a neighbor. So that's that's how the geological hazard zone functions. Uh but unless somebody is doing, you know, a project similar to the hospital where you're doing significant cuts and huge retaining walls, it generally doesn't become a factor in the development. What about snow removal? That sort of thing. Is that a city thing that or is this Yeah. Well, this isn't it's going to be a dedicated public rightway. So, it's going to become a a city uh uh public works managed uh snow program. Okay. What about that grade on the road? Some something like 8%.

Yeah, I think eight I want to say 13 is the maximum that the city code allows. And uh 13 is not desirable for for fire trucks. I don't I don't think this project has any 13%s, but in the uh in the first phase of the ridge, the lower section had I think it's got one section that is really close to 13 if it's not just slightly over. And they ended up having to do some lower grades kind of before and after in order to allow the fire truck to have enough momentum to to carry those those little pumps. But uh this project is um the topography is not such that uh we got close to those thresholds.

Okay. Time to request public testimony. Sure. If you're Yeah. If you're done with me, then yes.

You can just you can ask Is there anyone here that wanted to provide public testimony on this project? Okay. Time for committee discussion. [clears throat] These are pretty big lots, aren't they? They are.

Are they providing riding lawnmowers? [laughter] Did uh did the first phase get variance for for density?

Yeah, the first phase came in uh with a proposal for I want to say it was five phases going all the way up to Gilcrest Drive. And so they had uh a fairly significant variance on density because that's actually a medium density residential zone that calls for five units per acre. And uh and so anyway uh that's actually a steeper section of the uh of the total ridge development that was proposed at the time. And uh

Guilt Crest is at the top of 12 street. So if you go I don't know if my other map maybe my vicinity map at the beginning gives a kind of but so if you if you continue through this development and then you go through the property to the south guild crest is kind of off the map kind of to the southeast. Yeah. And uh the original ridge subdivision I want to say there was 200 and some lots proposed. Um there was a lot

and uh I could be wrong. I might maybe I'm thinking it was at least 80 something bigger. But uh but there's so much wetland in the southern portion that uh was not taken into consideration when that first phase was laid out that uh I think in reality if if that wetland was delineated, it would have been considerably lesser density because there's a lot of challenges related to that wetland and and the applicant owns this property as well and has has experienced you know, some of those wetland challenges and working with Department of State Lands to to deal with that. So, um that's partly why you probably don't see that any of that in this property here in this project. But uh uh but anyway uh but that's also why public works and the fire department did not push to have the emergency access road punched through the way the original subdivision was designed is because you just can't get through that wetland in any feasible manner that is cost effective.

What about positioning of the homes on these large lots? Is there some kind of a rule regulation, a covenant that would specify where on the lots they build them or could they be in various places? Am I making sense? Yeah, that's our CRC's, right? Excuse me. I'm sorry. He's asking about where the houses can be positioned within the individual lots and where are they? Yeah, I don't understand. setbacks that are moving within the building. Yeah, there's a city stuff. You guys have requirements for setbacks.

Yeah. Were you are you referring to like the orientation of houses, which way they faced like 20,000? I don't know what size houses will be put up there, but I presume I know what you're saying. I was thinking where Okay. The CCNRs will have conditions of size of the houses and they'll be stick built houses similar to the ones below. It'll be real similar to the first phase of the ridge [clears throat] and there'll be CCRs that cover where they're positioned as well. Well, I don't think we can tell people where to put their house, but the city has rules on the set maps. True. So many feet from the front,

so many feet from the side. from the back. Isn't that right? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. But there'll be homes similar to the one built in the first phase. Pretty good size. I also think there'll be, you know, probably extra people have possessions that they'll want to close like RVs, boats, campers, right? But the CCNRs will all of that out. What is CCN? Uh the covenants and restrictions of what you can put in a neighborhood.

So like um like below the ridge, the first ridge, if you kind of look at what they've done, that's what the CCNRs are good with. They constrain how they can fill like probably no manufactured homes. No manufactured homes up there. Um a lot of times they'll You can only have so many square feet on the main level and not less than say they want 1600 on the main level and you can go up from there. What's some other things, Mike?

Sometimes you'll have like peak height, you know, so depending on topography so that you're not blocking somebody's view. So, so you'll sometimes see uh building height standards for stuff. you'll see stuff for types of roofing and siding so that you end up with something that's higher quality. Um, so they can be more restrictive than the

city. Uh, yeah. So, a lot of times you'll see those kind of things. Sometimes they'll be standard of what type of fencing is acceptable so somebody doesn't do something ugly, you know, if they have a flavor they're looking for. So that's a lot of what the CCNRs do is they create the flavor of the development so that uh you know they're consistent, compatible with each other. Trees, other tall things like that. Yeah. Some sometimes those are in there.

Yeah. Which brings me to my question about So and I've actually planted city trees with the city. My wife is on the tree board. And uh we planted on the first ridge well and uh I remembered the city forester saying those those planting strips are four and a half ft. They're too narrow for a tree and she recommended uh one is there a way to condition that? I don't know if there's a way to condition it. I mean I guess that'd be a question to ask have with the developer. There's two ways to address that. you guys are developing. Yeah.

Yeah. So, there's two ways to address that. I don't know if it's fair to condition it, but uh um the 60oot right away is a specific standard that public works hands out and says this is what you will build and that's what they have. So, they have the city adopted design standard. And so then there's options to deviate from that if you know if the developer has some challenges with a site or makes a compelling argument you can eliminate on street parking and and yeah and then you take that parking space and you can allocate it to parkway strips.

Historically we've not necessarily done that but we've eliminated the on street parking because the property size constraints wouldn't fit a regular rightway. So, we had to do something narrower. And so, um, but that would be something I guess that you could do as a recommendation is if on street parking is not something that, you know, the developer wants to do, they want to save on some asphalt cost is potentially coordinate with public works to see about eliminating parking on one side or both sides. And so, they're big enough lots that people may or may not need to park on the street,

right? A couple things that she recommended were uh sidewalks on just one side of the street so that you have that extra 5T [clears throat] that you could distribute or a couple other recommendations. Yeah. And some of those require the planning commission's blessing. And so if you want to include something in your motion to maybe have a recommendation added towards that that could serve as a I guess as a blessing. So if the applicant would like to have that conversation with public works to change that rightaway design, would you like to do that?

Then at least the option is there. Four and a half foot. You don't think that's what she says that's not she said eight is best. Six is minimal and to get there. So she said, "But uh you could off streetet parking would be removed or or curbsides, that's another option. Or sidewalks on just one side of the street." So there's other ways I guess they must city works just gives you kind of a generic thing instead.

Yeah. And you know, and that might be a better solution if you know folks want to consider that is doing the curb curb tight sidewalks. Uh, I know public works does that in some of our higher traffic areas uh with some of their projects, but having the sidewalk butt up against the curb and then you put your street trees on the back side of the sidewalk and then they're more functional a lot of times for property owners and how they run irrigation and all of those things. I like that idea and so so that

idea because and I'm also, you know, I don't know a fan of having street parking. Um, and I know it's a little different, but downtown here my girlfriend's house in the evening. It's a nightmare. It's you can barely get through it. There's just cars everywhere. And moving people up. Yeah. Moving the sidewalk to the curb. I don't see a problem with that. You just flip the the planter strips now for the sidewalk, right? Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. So, that'd be a design that'd be a design. If the planning commission supports that, then that could be something you coordinate with public works and and uh you know, then you don't have that planner strip. That is probably nice because it's less to maintain out there. Yeah. You know, aesthetically it's nice, but Yeah. Yeah. But it seems like a lot of times that strips neglected. Yeah. [laughter] Yeah. So that so if the planning commission supports that that could be a recommendation or something that you I would

that you include in your decision so that uh when when he goes to public works and they talk about that design is to ask for that deviation. Okay. do that.

Yeah. Running irrigation and everything. I have to worry about the sidewalk. So, does the sidewalk go in with the development before the houses? Yes. What are the other divisions being required to do right now like TRS do they have to put well they're they're they've got space constraints and so they're doing they got a variance on on their design and they're they're a private road so the city doesn't m Yeah. So it's it's just paved surface with swailes on each side for storm water drainage but the city doesn't maintain it you know plow they don't do anything it's all private

Yeah. Yeah. So that's the p that's a private road standard that uh is generally only available when you don't have the space to create a public street. Are these are these lots terrace by any chance or are they kind of okay? I haven't been up there. Yeah, it's that that property. I mean there is variations in elevation but it's pretty gradually out. Are they view properties? They are. They are.

They are. Yeah. And that was my whole intent. Um I wanted to design this for higherend homes. We have a lot of doctors coming into town that would appreciate space and the view.

So, how do we uh how do we get that in there? Well, I made a note. So when you're ready to when you guys are all done with your discussion, if you want then uh yeah, then when you approve it with the conditions or if you modify anything, we can add this recommendation. I did a recommendation approval for curb tight sidewalks for rightway deviation. So I can help you with that when you get to the motion when you're ready. So can we scroll down? Yeah.

So for the applicants, is there anything on this of these petitions? Is there anything want to comment on or anything? issues with planning to have the city do the utilities had dust controls on our radar and just general storm water control during construction. Big deal. And yeah, we're going to get to public works and make sure we do the roads the way they want. And when it says inspections, that's like compaction inspection. Yeah. Density and all that.

Yeah. Yeah. So, it's part of that for the city taking control over the street afterwards when it's all finished is they'll want to make sure it meets the specifications. And so, right. Um you can coordinate the inspections with public works. So, either they'll do it or you'd have an engineer or somebody do it. But, uh public works I think is able to do that. But that's you can coordinate that. I guess maybe one thing for discussion. I was assuming that everybody wanted street lighting. It was like a requirement almost, but if we can get out of that, we'd obviously prefer that, but I don't I mean, what's thoughts on that? Is this the board to discuss?

Yeah. I mean, it's a condition of approval, so this would be the time to do it. Otherwise, it's it sticks, right? It says shall be installed. Seems to me like it's a good thing. matching up with what's Yeah. No, and that was a discussion. Yeah. I guess that was my point was that I was assuming it's, you know, wanted, required, all that, but is there any [clears throat] reason not to because Yeah. You know, we would we would assume not because money, but there's a lot of things that same spacing as before.

Yeah. that probably be the same spacing as the lower section of the ridge. And I don't know what caused them to put street lighting in in that development, but uh city code doesn't say anything about you shall have street lighting, but it it has uh a standard in the subdivisions that you show street lighting where it's going to go in. And so that's it's kind of just gener generically identified. um the city rightaway design standard. Uh um I think we have a a rightaway style of of light fixture that uh that we do, but uh we do have developments that go in without street lights. And uh

so how do we end up with street lights all over the town? Probably because historically that's people have asked for them. So I mean public works still gets requests where people ask for them and they put them in. And so uh um is that on the city's ten?

I think it is now. Yeah. In an existing neighborhood. So like when this development goes in, uh part of it will be are the utilities in place where you could add a street light, you know. So that's part of that'll be part of the the conversation or that public works would would probably have with uh with folks if a street light was requested. But uh um generally when we have a subdivision that's already established and and there's an extension of it or one that's going in next door to it that ties into it is you just match what exists in the existing subdivision. In this case, street lights are there and that's why you see it as a condition of approval. But uh it is this development is separated from the lower phase, you know, by the power line. It's a little bit different environment, but um you know, so I think it's a fair conversation to have as to whether or not you want to require that for consistency or or not.

Kind of depends on what the circumstances are, you know, because some places I I don't like the light pollution. Other places, like the bottom of the subdivision where I live and where it connects with a a street that's pretty busy, it's dark there. They really need more light. They're was a pedestrian killed there about three years ago. Yeah. So, it just depends on circumstances, I think. Yeah. So, in this case, when you get down to the where meets B Avenue, there's street lighting there. Yeah. And so, so I guess that's a fair conversation for you to have with the applicants as to whether you want to eliminate this condition or not.

So, at this point, the sidewalks are probably different than I haven't actually been up here. So like in the original bridge subdivision being up here, what we're thinking about for the trees is the sidewalks and the trees are different already. Oh, that's a good point. How is that transition? It might be like sort of I don't know if it' be a jarring or like this is a complete I don't know. It's also as the developers want that. Yeah, the sidewalk will just have a little sweeping curve right by the power lines right when you leave the existing development. And you just kind of sweep it over and make it curb tight from that point all the way up. Yeah.

No. No. Public works does that in other areas where they have to work around stuff and so you'll see areas where the sidewalk moves and goes in unconventional places.

I have a little I had to dig up an email, but yeah. So, traditionally, the developer installs the lights and then they're accepted and maintained by the city upon if if they're required. So, I guess, you know, I don't want to speak out of term, but could we request that that condition be removed? But having said that, um maybe make so that power is available if street lights want to be put in later or something

each individual that's sort of what I was thinking is have some I don't know how it would work in a box or out or something and it may not be that complicated because there's going to be transformers and different things up there and and utilities are going to be buried and accessible So yeah, you know, so it may not be as complicated as as it is in some areas where you've got overhead lines and there may may or may not be service in a particular location, but um you know I agree with you Gary. It depends on conditions and this is certainly not like 16th Street,

right? So, I'd be okay if it was if it was changed into that works. I mean, do we need to say strongly consider? I think you can you can move it to a recommendation. say we recommend street lights or or else I would just delete it alto together and just not worry about it because that'll be something public works will work on when they deal with the engineering of the street design and infrastructure might have some homes like sure

yeah and so I would hope that's something public works will take into consideration they're dealing with the engineering that they're at least preparing for the eventuality that somebody might ask for So, how do we make sure that public works? I think you can just put it in as a recommendation. I just I'm just not aware of really any conflicts. That's just something that I just don't know. Yeah. Rather than saying it would be nice if they consider

recommendations. Good. Or was there anything else for you all in terms of the conditions? I don't know if you have a not on this not on this list, but uh so that was driveway approaches are pretty standard. Um street tree plan. It just deals with the Bonavville Lane dedication. So look at that street signage and mailbox. So these the rest of these are just standard ones on the Y. Uhhuh. Down here.

So the there's going to there's a line that the end of the paving. Yeah. The paving would end right here. Okay. And the fire department is okay with that as a turn. Yeah. Yeah. In fact, this one here doesn't have a line just because I did some highlighting, but it would likely end right in here as well. Where where is that clustered mailbox located? Uh the clustered mailbox is up in this intersection, this north intersection by the power lines. That's a US Postal Service thing, isn't it?

Yeah, we have the requirement in our code because they've switched to clustered mailboxes. They don't do house-to-house delivery anymore, at least not in new developments. And so um

keep keep scrolling down for me if you would. Okay. Oh, that's it. Yeah, that's the end. So eight and nine. So and those are just standard kind of they're in the code, but they're just more reminders. So the really is a prear, huh?

I think they met all the material. I don't know. Yeah. So finally for me to entertain a motion. Did you have a particular way we need to amend that or?

Uh well, you can if if you wanted to, you can just approve it as uh presented in the staff report with the amendment that uh condition forward for street lighting is moved to a recommendation and then add a uh planning commission recommendation and approval for rightway deviation for uh curbtight sidewalks. And you could just say I moved that. I moved what he said. You know, if you want to just make it easy, but something I can move it. Sure. Okay. I move that.

Yeah. Amended. Second. All in favor? I I think you're done. You're done. Thank you. Yeah. So, your next step is to go visit with public works and kind of start getting the engineering figured out. Only Yeah. Unless Barney wants to Yeah, Barney didn't speak. But I mean right now the only person with standing to appeal are yourselves because nobody participated in the process. So unless you want to appeal your approval. [laughter] So

no. So the next so the uh Clint just just so you know for process anyway uh David asked if the council could you know throw a wrench in the process but so the way the process works now now that you have the approval is you coordinate with public works and arrange just to build everything and once it's built and you'll then ask for final plat approval um which that goes to city council and the city council's authority is really limited to accepting the street dedications and so they can't overturn anything, ask for additional requirements or any of those kind of things. And so unless there's something that you don't do, the city council essentially is going through a going through the motions and it's just kind of rubber stamping and approval on the final plat. So, they're just confirming that you've built what you said you're going to build and what you're approved to and then they approve it.

And then after that, it goes to the county commissioners. I think state law requires they sign on the plat for uh for the subdivision platting and the street dedication and then it gets recorded and that's kind of just a formality, but it's it's it's a pretty easy process. Awesome. Awesome. Thank you guys. Appreciate it. Okay. Thanks everyone. Good. Thank you.

No old business. Um the only thing that I have uh to share is we have we have a meeting scheduled in January

for uh a minor petition that has a variance on on lot size or dimensions. Um so that should be a I'm thinking it's it's only one item, so it shouldn't be uh too complicated. And then in February, we'll have one application for sure, which is the city's application for uh code amendments on adopting all of our new residential zone standards. So, we had the work session on that last summer sometime. Not everybody made it, but uh we had a work session on housing code changes. And so, uh, Habitat,

um, yeah, and then I have an application potentially coming in for Habitat for Humanity for

uh, well, it's actually for kind of a subdivision. So, anyway, uh, they haven't, it's half prepared anyway, uh, as they've been just kind of working over months on putting stuff together. But, uh, I don't know where they're at on how complete they are, if they're going to meet the deadline, but I'm anticipating they're going to get that submitted in time for February. Otherwise, that might be March. But, uh, anyway, nothing, you know, too complicated, you know, coming up on the agenda, but February has the potential to be a pretty full one if we have the code amendments and a and a subdivision. So, it just may be a little longer because of of content, but not necessarily being complicated.

Yeah. Well, for Yeah, just for just for preparation in in January collectively, uh, whoever's whoever's here will be voting in a new chair. So, so anyway, uh, new chair and vice chair. So, That's all I That's all I've got.