School Board - Regular Meeting

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I'd like to call this meeting of the Show Low City Council to order, show that all council members are present. Tonight, I've asked Councilman Judd to lead us in the invocation, followed by the pledge by Vice Mayor Kakavas. If you'd all like to stand and join us, you may do so.

Our Heavenly Father, we're here for this opportunity we have to meet together tonight for City Council. Yes, that the Spirit would be with us, that we can be led and guided to make the decisions that will be helpful and productive for the city. Yes, that we'll watch over our city staff, our police officers, watch over our first responders and military, watch over and protect them, keep them safe. We're grateful for the moisture we've received. We say these things in the name of our Son, Jesus Christ.

Amen.

Please join me in the pledge of allegiance.

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you, Councilman Judd and Vice Mayor Thomas.

Next item on the agenda is call to the public. City Attorney.

Any citizen desiring to speak on a matter that is within the jurisdiction of the City Council may do so at this time. Comments shall be limited to three minutes per person and shall be addressed to the City Council as a whole and not any individual member. Issues raised shall be limited to those within the jurisdiction of City Council. Pursuant to the Arizona Open Meeting Law, the City Council cannot discuss or act on items presented at this time. At the conclusion of the call to the public, individual City Council members may respond to criticism made by those who have spoken, ask staff to review a matter, and ask that the matter be put on a future agenda.

Thank you, and I do have one. Mr. Roberts.

Good evening, Mayor and Council.

Thank you for allowing me the time to talk tonight. We have our annual run to the pines car show coming up next weekend and we'll be doing a cavalcade of cars like we do every year and it will leave it will leave the church parking lot at the stake center at dusa clubs and clark road and we expect somewhere around 400 to 450 cars that will are all special interest cars that will then go all the way down to White Mountain Boulevard and then on down 16 miles down to Honda. So every year we But people know that we're doing that and they invite them to set up their canopies and their chairs. Don't know what the weather's going to be like this year. We hope we're getting rain, except for during that time. But we enjoy being able to have all that participation and observation. greatly appreciate everything that the city does to assist with that between public works and the police department and administration. Everybody's always been very good. So I just want to remind everybody that a week from Friday on the 25th, we'll be leaving that parking lot at 415 should have all the cars out of there by 530. So thank you very much.

Any questions?

Everybody already knows what's going on, huh?

Thanks, Doug. Appreciate it. Okay, next item on the agenda under special events presentation, outstanding service award for Thomas Hackensworth. Is that close?

Close enough.

Hackensworth. Hackensworth? Well, now she's going to read it and get it right, so I'm the bad one. I'm going to have Vice Mayor Kavis read a little statement.

presented to Thomas Hackenworth in recognition of your 27 years of dedicated service to the City of Show Low as general manager of the public transit system.

Thank you.

Your exceptional leadership, unwavering commitment to public service, and dedication to providing safe, reliable, and accessible transportation have made a lasting impact on our community. Through your vision and stewardship, the city's public transit system has grown into a trusted and valued resource that will benefit residents and our visitors for years to come. As you begin your retirement, may you take pride in the lasting legacy You leave behind and know that your years of service have strengthened our community in countless ways. With sincere appreciation and gratitude, I show the City Council September 2026. We can have you come up.

I've got a little appreciation plaque for you.

Again, you're definitely not old enough to retire. Thank you for everything.

You guys are welcome to stay. We should be done within two or three hours. Tom, again, thank you for everything you do down there at the bus. I know it's quite a transition with the bus stops that we started adding, and you were all over it. But I appreciate everything you've done for our community. It's awesome.

Would you like this statement as well?

Are you reading it? Sorry.

Next item on the agenda is presentation of Buena Vista Trailhead by Jason Moore with Save the Buena Vista Foundation. Mr. Moore.

All right. Thank you very much, Mr. Mayor, members of the council. My name is Jason Moore. I'm with Save the Buena Vista Foundation. I am the vice president of that organization. And along with me here today is Steve Dobbs. He is the president of White Mountain Tracks. That's the organization that's responsible for all the White Mountain Trail system that we have stretching all the way from, you know, basically Vernon all the way out west to what's the furthest west? Juniper Ridge or... General Crook. Yeah. So... They have like 230 miles of trail, 200, something like that, yeah, that they are responsible for administering. So Steve's here to help me present a little bit tonight. But the reason I'm here is to talk to you, and let me see if I can bring up the presentation. Sorry. Well, it's already up. Okay, excellent. At any rate, what we are here to do is to talk to you about some real accomplishments that we've had here in the Show Low area. Basically, there's been a number of organizations that have been working together over the last, well, really since about 2018 to try to improve the trail system here in Show Low. And let me see, how do I advance this? There we go. So where are the Buena Vista trails? I first off want to talk about that. The Buena Vista trail system is south of Show Low. If you're looking at a map, it's basically two and a half miles south of Show Low off of Highway 60 near the Summer Pines Division. It kind of surrounds the Summer Pines Division. Old Buena Vista Trail, as it was originally put together, was a 9.7-mile loop. It has had an accessory 2.5-mile loop to it. The Buena Vista area touches both the city of Show Low and an unincorporated Navajo County. It's found on the west by US 60 and Summer Pines, on the east by Starlight Ridge, Fawnbrook, and the Cedar Ridge communities, and on the north by the Sierra Pines and Snow Creek subdivisions. So at any rate, this is a map of the old Buena Vista Trail as it was the large loop. And basically that loop, when a lot of trails were created around Show Low in late 80s, early 90s when those trails were designated, the Buena Vista Trail and a lot of the other trails west of there were basically old Forest Service roads that were designated as trail. And it's been our objective to try to improve that. Most of the north section of this old Buena Vista Trail was part of the Show Low South Land Exchange. And a lot of that is now in private hands. And so we needed to retool the old Buena Vista Trail. There were a lot of problems with Buena Vista. First off, it consisted of old logging roads rather than trails. Those aren't really terribly pleasant for the user experience. The recognized trail was unsustainable due to the deep grades and poor design. They were never designed to be trails for recreational users. They were designed to be roads to get logs in and out. And so they don't make very good trails. It was suffering from severe erosion in spots. That's what happens when you have poor layout in really steep, unsustainable grades. They offered poor user experience. Because it consisted of roads, it could not be maintained by tracks. using any kind of standard trail maintenance techniques. Trax maintains trails. They're not so good at making roads or maintaining either, maintaining them. So that's kind of one of the problems that they have. Show Low South Land Exchange, which was originally proposed in 2009 and then finalized in 2023, cut off 2.5 miles of the old section of the Buena Vista Trail. And so for all these reasons, we needed to change what was out there. The objectives for the new Buena, was to eliminate the roads that had been designated trails, to leverage the useful parts of existing social trails in the area. There had been a network of social trails in that area that had been user-created, not recognized by the Forest Service, but that could be leveraged in order to make this trail project happen. We wanted to eliminate motorized and non-motorized trail user conflicts. That's what you get when you basically put recreational trail users on roads. You do get those kind of conflicts. We wanted to design a sustainable trail system that would require very little maintenance. And we wanted a modern stacked loop trail system that can offer users varying experiences in both length and difficulty. This is the modern way to do trails. You know, Usually, the old style, you'd either do a loop or you'd do an out and back, and that was the trail. But with the stacked loop system, it gives the user so many more options what they can do out there. They can pick something, the difficulty they want. They can pick the length that they want. And so that's what we were trying to do. Project partners. I really want to thank everybody who had and especially the city of Cholo Who has helped us out with this, but we have added a ton of assistance The United States Forest Service, of course, it's their land nothing happens without their permission Of course my organization save the Buena Vista Foundation was involved White Mountain tracks Steve's organization next to me here and the city, Navajo County, the Mountain Bike Association of Arizona, Eastern Arizona Trails Coalition, GOC LLC. That's the development of the summit where the land exchange area went. They ended up getting... that section of land that was previously forest service, about 900 acres, as I recall. And then Doug and Rhonda Forshut, they did a lot of the science for us, did an incredible job. And you'll see some of those here in a second. But we've gotten a ton of support from a lot of different places. You know, I just can say, you know, we probably got, you know, GOC LLC contributed about $10,000 to the effort. We got similar contributions from the city. We got similar contributions from Navajo County. And we kind of put it all together to kind of make this work for us. U.S. Forest Service approval to do what we did, we got that on June 1st of 2026. sorry, May 22 of 2026, and we started construction on the new trail system June 1, 2026. Basically, this project allowed almost the creation of about a 20-mile network of trails. That's leveraging the old system and building about six miles of new trail out there. This, what you see in front of you here, what I have at my side, is the map of the new Buena Vista Trail System. We have a stacked loop system out there now. It does have varying difficulty levels. All of the use of the former Forest Service roads have been eliminated. It's now 100% single track trail. It's sustainably built so that, you know, tracks doesn't have to go out and do constant maintenance on this. We try to build things so that water runs off in a way that's appropriate and without taking the trail with it. Basically, the whole system is anchored by the 7.5-mile Buena Vista Trail. That's in red on the map that you're looking at. And then there are accessory trails coming off to the sides of it and trails within that system. And basically everything out there is labeled either a black diamond trail, a blue square trail, or a green circle trail. It's similar to what the ski industry uses for rating the difficulty of their trails so that the user knows what they're getting into when they select a trail to go on in the system. So how did we use our contributions? Well, first off, we spent well over $20,000 to obtain an archaeological survey of that area and to get approval from the Forest Service to build those trails. Part of their rules to go through the National Environmental Policy Act requirements, we had to get that archaeological done and get approval from them. And so that was where a big portion of the money went. But we also spent a bunch of money on trail signs, not only the lumber involved in it, the hardware. We spent a ton of money on the U posts. It's expensive to do trail. But all told, we spent north of $30,000 on this project. But we're really proud of the results that we've got. You see some of the trail signs here in this picture. Those were done again by Doug and Rhonda Forsha. Those are by far the most beautiful trail signs that are posted anywhere in the White Mountain Trail System. And we're so thankful to Doug and Rhonda for having done this for us because, you know, when we saw these you know, routed out. And then after we saw them painted, we were like, yeah, we hit it with this. So we're really, really proud of that. We've got metal composite signs, you are here maps posted all the way throughout the trail system. Basically at all major trail intersections out there. This prevents the user from getting lost. And so we've got those up there. We've got, of course, a massive trail sign right at the trailhead that's been posted out there at the US 60 trailhead. And so that's out there as well. Basically, we've got about 85% of the signs posted at this point. We've got about the last 15% remaining that we still need to put up, but that job is basically done. Like all trails, all White Mountain Trail System trails in the area, they're marked with white diamonds, and then they have little locators on every quarter mile that tell you exactly where you are on the trail so that if an event of emergency, you can call EMS, call 911, let them know exactly where you are, what trail you're on, and exactly what number you're at. THAT IS A GOOD PUBLIC SAFETY FEATURE. SO THOSE ARE UP AND OUT THERE. The first trails that we built after we got approval were called Rainbows and Sunshine. Basically, kind of mountain bikers, these are the terms that we use when we're trying to say that a trail is easy. It's all rainbows and sunshine out there. And so what better way could we name easy trails than to call them rainbows and sunshines? That's what we did. Rainbows is a 1.87 mile trail with a green difficulty level. It's seeing significant traffic already. And then Sunshine, basically it's Sister Trail right to the side. That's a 1.13 mile trail with a green difficulty level again. And that's 100% complete. Biggest challenge out there is honestly sandy soils. We were really worried about that when we were building. And because it was really dry. Did anyone notice that this summer? Yeah. So it was really dry out there when we were building. But once we got the monsoon rains in, everything has settled in really good and better than we could have dreamed. So we're really happy with rainbows and sunshine, how those things have come out. Rainbows and Sunshine are the new beginner trails and they were something that Show Low seriously lacked. If you wanted to have a beginner trail, you basically had to send someone up to the Pinetop Country Club to do the Country Club Trail in Pinetop. Now, Show Low has an incredible, you know, TRAIL SYSTEM RIGHT NEAR THE TRAIL HEAD THAT IS EASY AND ACCESSIBLE, SHORT, WITH NO OBSTACLES TO OVERCOME. IT'S NOT ROCKY. AND TRAIL USERS CAN USE IT. AND WE'VE GOT A LITTLE PICTURE HERE. THIS IS A 6-YEAR-OLD KID ON A MOUNTAIN BIKE. AND, YOU KNOW, I TALKED TO HIS He was out there. He rode the entire Rainbows Trail, the six-year-old kid. So that's how accessible it is. So we can get people into that sport and people who just want to take shorter walks without a lot of elevation gain. This is what these trails offer. And so we're really, really proud. And the Trax Trail crew, they did an incredible job. Do you want to talk about that, Steve, a little bit?

You know, we started off, we got about a quarter mile per day done. It was a little more difficult. The tracks trail crew primarily maintains trails. They don't build new trails. This is a new experience. In the Buena Vista system, our terrain there varied from very, very sandy to peanut butter mud, and the trail crew wasn't experiencing that either. But we got through this, and I think they learned a lot. We're working, to me, the thing that's happened in the last 365 is that as we've gone in there and made the water diversions, we're getting the water off the trail quicker. And our hope is this winter coming up, we're going to get precipitation. But if we don't get water on the trail or water on the trail gets off quickly, we can get out there and hike and bike and whatever else. So we look to see this as a full 12-month use of the trail. A lot of the trails to the Far East, when you get up on Land of Pioneers and Los Barros, those are shut down in the winter. And we're looking for this to be gone, like I say, all year round.

Yeah, yeah. You can get shut out of Buena Vista, you know, but generally – you know, it's only for a few weeks. It's not for the whole winter. So there's always windows open to use that area because that's the benefit of sandy soil. It does drain. So that's a plus. We've had to reroute some of the old social trails in the area. You can kind of see some of the work that's been done out there in these two pictures. But basically, you know, this just takes a ton of volunteer effort and We had a huge turnout to build rainbows and sunshine. We had a great turnout to rebuild the old differential trail. This had to be done to avoid an archeological area that was identified in the archeological survey. Forest Service asked us to do that, and so we did that very happily. The Petrified Loop, this is the Petrified Loop over on the far northeast corner of Buena Vista. This used to be a social trail that ended right at this point. All of this from here all the way back up to the connection with Buena Vista, that's all a new trail that has been built. Probably about, that's a two-mile loop, so that's probably about a mile and a half of it that is a brand new trail. That was completed this summer. The Flintstone reroute, this is something we just finished a couple weeks ago, and in this picture it wasn't totally finished yet, but this is our most recent accomplishment. This was another reroute we had to do in order to avoid an archaeological area that the Forest Service asked us to take one of the old social trails and route around. So we did that. So what's left to do out there at this point? Well, we've got a reroute going of the Chihuahua Pines Connector. Basically, it connects the Buena Vista area to the Los Caballos Trail. And long term, the you know, both the Chihuahua Pines Trail and the Los Caballos Trail need to be done. I'll talk about that in a second. But this, because this section of the Chihuahua Pines was on the east side of Highway 60, it made sense to go ahead and do this as part of the Buena Vista project. And so that's being done as part of this project as well. One other thing left to do is trailhead number two. Back at the time that the Show Low South Land Exchange was being talked about in the 2009 area and at the time that the environmental impact statement was done for that, there was an agreement between, you know, the city, the developer in that area, and the Show Low South Land Exchange area tracks, that a new trailhead number two would be built. And on this picture that you have in front of you on the slide, you'll see a two-acre parcel down here at the end of this. And so that is where the parking lot is supposed to go. We know that. And so when we routed Petrified, we took it down there to what will be someday a new parking area. Exact dimensions of that parking lot. I'm an exact the corners of it haven't been determined yet That's something that we need, you know further help from the city the Forest Service in the developer to Get us to a point where we can have that We think that this trailhead is going to be the most popular of the two trailheads Of course, we have the one existing one on the highway 60 but this one but that's a little bit south of town and kind of out of town. The other one is more centrally located and I think it's probably going to end up getting more traffic. You know, it's also important from another perspective, and that is this. If TRAX has the responsibility for maintaining these trails, and the only access, it's a long distance between here and all the way out here. And if TRAX is going to maintain that, they really need that for their future access. And so that's something we need too. There's probably a couple options, accessing that area through Fonbrook Drive, to the east of the trail. And the other way would be to access it through what will be the summit development to the north. that it's not for us to decide how that's going to happen but we don't really care as long as it does happen we've talked to city of show up planning staff about that and we think that that's something that can be done so at any rate long-term plans where are we going with this thing in the future number one we've got already and that we've received some supports from the city on this already the city has helped tracks put together a trail design plan for rerouting Los Caballos. Steve, do you want to talk a little bit about Los Caballos?

Well, in 2024, we received a grant from Show Low for $20,000 and Trax put in $5,000. We got Big Loop Trails out of Dolores, Colorado to design a master plan for us. So we took the 16 and a half miles of crazy rough trail in Los Caballos and redesigned it into over 20 miles with some loops. And the goal of being sustainable and no more than a 5% elevation change. There's nothing worse. There's a couple of places in the Olos Caballos Trail, I hate to say you're looking at 45 degrees, but it's really crazy steep and the erosion is horrible out there. The worst thing is it's going to take a lot of money to do this. It'll be mechanically built. I'm estimating three quarter of a million dollars. We're looking at the trail to be built. We're looking at a second trailhead where Jontak Road crosses the trail. The area is beautiful, but I think it's going to bring a lot of mountain bikers in from other areas to ride this because it's a lot of fun. And what Jason's trying to get at with the Chihuahua Pines is you'll be able to drive, ride from Los Caballos across Chihuahua Pines over to Buena Vista. Now, these are people that are good at mountain biking. That's not Steve and Jason. They can go that long and that far and that hard. But there are people out there. And these people have money. They spend it. And that's where we're headed.

Yeah. You know, and that's the thing. You know, right now, Buena Vista is a good start at about 18 and a half, 20 miles. But if you really want a feature trail system, something that's going to compete with Flagstaff, something that's going to compete with Prescott, something that's going to compete with Sedona, 15 or 20 miles of trail doesn't do it. Someone who is going to go away from their home and spend the weekend away, they need a large trail system. And we're really talking about, you know, something more like, you know, 45, 50, 55 miles. If you put together high-quality trail, we've already got some of it built with Buena Vista, but if we do Chihuahua Pines, we do Las Caballos, We're going to end up with something like that. And we're going to have a showcase trail system that is going to not only be pleasing to our local people, but it's going to be a huge draw for people from out of town. So that's where we're going with this long term. So we have coming up on October 7th, a ribbon cutting ceremony for the new Buena Vista Trail. We are, you know, quarterly inviting you to attend. Any representation from the city of Sholo is going to be appreciated. We need people who are good with their hands and good with a pair of scissors to help cut this. And, you know, and so that's something that we need. We're going to have, you know, it's just going to be a fun time. We're going to have some refreshments, some cake, have our little ribbon cutting ceremony. wrap it up. It's, you know, basically 1130 to 130 on October 7th. Actual ribbon cutting to be about 1215. If you guys can make it, we'd certainly appreciate it. So with that said, I'm really thankful to the city of Show Low for all the help they have given us in putting this together. We think it's a huge asset for the city. And, you know, we're proud to be doing this ribbon cutting and sharing this with you guys today. So thanks for having us today. Are there any questions before we leave?

Thank you, Councilman Jack.

Yeah, appreciate everything you guys are doing. My only question is, we appreciate it. I think this is a good thing. I think I'm with you that this is bringing in a lot of people from out of town. It's good for our economy. Is there anything else we can do to help support you? What else do you guys need?

Well, right now, we've got the design done for Las Caballos. And at this point, we're kind of waiting on the Forest Service to move it up. They have a limited capacity. And one of the things that Steve and I have noticed is that it seems like other... Other forests throughout the state, whether you want to talk about some examples, like, but, you know, Coconino, or whether you want to talk about... Prescott.

There's four construction crews working in Prescott as we speak. Four. Not one. Four.

Yeah.

At the same time.

And I don't know. They seem to have more capacity than we have here. I'm not sure... what can be done to help the Forest Service expand their staff, what advocating needs to be done with congressional leaders to help us out with that. But if you have connections with those people, let them know we need more resources here in Apache for the Apache Sitgreaves Forest so that we can do more with trail building and construction because that's honestly our biggest logjam. We feel like we could get more done if they had more capacity. It's not their fault. They try as best they can, God knows, with the limited staff. But we don't think raising money would be a problem. We know that the city, the county, local businesses support what we're doing. But that's really where the biggest logjam is, if you want to know the truth.

Our first step in making Los Caballos happen is getting the land manager, who is Charlie Denton, to sign off and say, all you've got to say is, this is a good idea. And once he says it's a good idea, then we go into the archaeological process. And that is going to be a $50,000 to $60,000 process. and they will identify or not where there's any issues. That's the first step. All he's got to do is sign off and say, I kind of like this idea. And if he'll do that, then we can work on grant writing or whatever to get the archaeological process done. We'll hire somebody, a third party. We don't depend on the Forest Service to do this. We can hire somebody for $60,000. It won't happen overnight, but it'll happen. And then the Forest Service has to look at that in the report they give and say, yeah, everything's good. Now, at this point, we'll sign off again. Go build it. I mean, I'm an old guy, and I'm thinking, I'd like to get this done while I'm still here. But it's going to take, you know, you've got to get the first step, and the first step is, it's a good idea, let you guys move forward. We don't touch any dirt, but let us get forward and map this thing out archaeologically. We mapped it out trail-wise where it should go. But if they'll do it archaeologically, it'll work. And then we can start raising more money. It's hard to raise. I've talked about a huge amount of money. But it's hard to ask for money when you haven't got a plan. And we've got a plan, but we don't have anything we can put our hands around. And that's what we're looking for.

That's, I've made a little bit of labor of the point, but that's what we're looking for.

We do have some successes. We think that in 2027, they're going to allow us to rework Chipmunk Trail, which is around Country Club. There's a 2.1 mile section there. We estimate cost of $40,000. We think we can get that done in 2027. I hate to say that's small potatoes because it's important, but this Los Caballos thing, this thing is huge. And we if we could get some help with that they'd be great Is this a Multi-use trail at all

Oh, it is. It's basically, as long as it's non-motorized, yes. So basically hikers, mountain bikers, trail runners, equestrians, the trail is approved for all of those purposes. And so, yeah, it is a multi-use trail.

So you've not partnered with any of the, like, Alpine Trail Association or any of those, or any of those other organizations?

No, TRACS is strictly non-motorized. Sometimes, you know, we do go to the meetings of the Eastern Arizona Trails Coalition where we do get to talk to them a little bit. It's good that we hear each other's plans so that we know what, for example... Yeah, but short of it, long and short of it, yes, we do have some communication with them at those types of events. But generally, you know, motorized and non-motorized are different things. So there's not a lot of back and forth there.

I noticed you had a sign there that said horse is not recommended. Is that their chance of taking them down some of those trails?

There are a few areas here in the Buena Vista area, there's a few trails that are really not designated, that are not recommended for horses. For example, we have a trail over in this area, it used to be called Murder Hornet, But it's been renamed in the new trail system. But that basically was a social trail that was designed pretty much exclusively for downhill mountain bikes. It's got a six-foot mandatory air off of a cliff. We didn't prohibit horses. We didn't want signs that tell people what to do. Because if you tell people what to do, what's the first thing they're going to do? They're going to do it. So, you know, if I owned a horse, I wouldn't take it off there. But I think it's only fair to warn people. You know, there's a second sign at that location that says not only horses not recommended, it says look before you leap. And so, you know, they're getting fair warning. So you can do with your horse what you want, but I wouldn't recommend it.

Councilman Whipple.

I just want to say thanks. I think anyone that's been out there in the last couple years has really noticed the time and effort that's gone in. And so thank you for that. We appreciate it. And if there's anything else we can do to help, please let us know.

All right. Thank you so much. I appreciate your time. All right.

All right.

Thank you guys very much. We appreciate it. All right. Thank you. A lot of hard work. Yeah.

Thank you.

Okay, next item on the agenda is presentation of a safety action plan by Greenlight Traffic Engineering. Ms. Adams.

Good evening, Mayor and Council Members. On September 2nd, 2025, Council accepted Safe Streets and Roads for All grant funds from the U.S. Department of Transportation in the amount of $200,000. On April 7 2026 Council awarded a professional service agreement to green light traffic engineering for the city of Strollos safety action plan, the safety action plan focuses on all users, including pedestrians bicyclists public transportation users and motorists. The purpose of the safety action plan is to develop tools to strengthen the city's approach to roadway safety, reduce congestion and conflict points, improve system efficiency, and save lives while ensuring the transportation network can accommodate future growth. I am pleased to introduce Josh Barger from Greenlight to present the progress on this project.

Thank you. Mayor and Council, my name is Josh Barger. I'm the project manager for this project from Greenlight Traffic Engineering. I've got a couple of slides I'd like to run you through to give you some familiarity with what we're looking to do here in the city with this study. Like I mentioned, I'm the project manager. We also have Mike Blankenship, who is the principal here leading our team. We're also partnering with the Barnhart Company to do our public outreach as a sub-consultant. And we're looking through or we're conducting this project here with you, having oversight from you during this process, also during This process will have a key stakeholder group, which is going to be comprised of local agencies. In short, the county, NACOG, and yourselves, as well as ADOT partners for this project. Now, the objectives of this project is pretty much outlined by the DOT. When they award a Safe Streets and Roads for All project, they are looking to satisfy this graphic here on the right using the safe system approach to reduce and ultimately eliminate fatal and serious injury crashes on your road network. That right there is the key to this. We're looking to incorporate the Vision Zero policy that the Federal Highway Administration has outlined for the Road Safety Action Plan. which you'll see it essentially here in the graphic. It's going all around. So the safe system approach, a component of it is a Vision Zero policy, also making sure that we understand that humans make mistakes, humans are vulnerable, and the responsibility of safety on our roadways is shared. That's key, especially another reason why we're trying to Bring this to the council and to the public here in a couple of public events that I'll talk about here in a minute. Also, post-crash care, we're going to partner with your local fire department and emergency response services and look at making sure that safety is redundant on the roadway network here. So that's what the safe system approach says. As authored by the Federal Highway Administration, we're looking to leverage that in the safety planning effort for the city. Now I'm gonna go through just a couple slides here on essentially our work plan, what Greenlight Traffic Engineering and the Barnhart Company are contracted to do for the city. And I'll give you a short description here. So obviously we have a project management task here. We will be engaging the stakeholders like I mentioned, in which we have already engaged them and we're looking to get their feedback and experience on what the issues are on the roadway. We are doing a safety systems performance analysis. This is consisting of a historical crash data analysis and statistical analysis to make sure that we understand where the historical safety issues are on your roadways. And we're going to, out of that, identify emphasis areas so that the city has key areas to focus on and not just broadly, quote unquote, try to fix safety out there. But we're going to try to focus your efforts in on some key areas that will make a bigger difference in achieving that prior goal I mentioned with reducing specifically the fatal and serious injury crashes out there. We're going to look at your policies, which we've already done, and establish a vision and goal statement to lead in this safety action plan. This will ultimately be a plan in print form for you that we'll bring to the council to adopt so that you'll have a commitment as one of the things that we're going to be looking at this is having a commitment towards achieving some semblance of a Vision Zero goal. And then we'll go ahead and outline projects for you to achieve that goal. And we'll go ahead and look for resources, grants, and what have you for the city to go after and match them with the projects that we're scoping so that that project doesn't just sit on the shelf as a dreamed plan. It actually gets funded.

Let's see here.

of covered a little bit of uh task seven here but yes we're going to look at tracking also your safety performance this is those historical crash patterns looking at uh understanding the crash patterns as uh you know we implement projects the city is going to go back through and look have we improved have we reduced those fatal crashes and are we meeting our goals Now, as part of that identification of projects and funding, we've scoped in there to complete a handful of the ADOT Highway Safety Improvement Program applications, grant applications to implement the projects that we will identify scope and then seek funding for the city to have it implemented. We will also be looking at a demographic analysis to essentially overlay how many people in underserved communities we're going to be affecting with the projects that we're going to be recommending and wrapping this all up in a final plan for the city. We're also scoped for additional services.

This is a vague add-on for anything the city might need.

Now, in terms of the project schedule, we've started this project earlier in the year. Currently, we are looking to attend a couple of public events. Actually, we're going to be out here seeking public input at the N-Art Affair next Friday, just across from the car show the gentleman mentioned earlier. And our team will be out there, as well as the Barnhart Company, seeking public input through our online survey. Once we've completed that and we've moved into the later stages of this, you will see us again here. We're scoped for another council meeting to present to you that final plan.

That's looking to be in around May or June of 2027. All right.

That's my contact information as well as the principal in charge. And I'm here to take any of your questions.

Thank you, sir. Any other questions? Thanks, Mayor. Amen.

You know, we've seen an increase in accidents and fatalities along the 260 corridor, as well as the 60 corridor to the east of us, not necessarily right in our community. So how do we address that with this project?

So that's a good question. So when we are looking at making any project recommendations in this, because the Federal Highway Fund award is for the city, we will need to be within the city limits for these recommendations. But those two corridors you just mentioned, those are the leading crash corridors in our analysis. Of course, you would know that because they're the main thoroughfares through here. Now, what we can do about those particular crashes is we're going to analyze each segment and intersection in the city, which we've done. We're just in the draft stages at the moment. and understand exactly what are the leading causes of those crashes at each location and prescribe a improvement. We have a series of strategies and countermeasures. Some of them throughout the practice of traffic engineering are sanctioned by the Federal Highway Administration. They're known as the proven safety countermeasures. They have them on their website. It used to be 28 of them. And we also have some other unique countermeasures that we can recommend. But let me go back. That would be something like a hawk crossing or something like that, which is or a PHP known as a high visibility crosswalk. And then also from the Federal Highway Administration, we could do left-turn arrows or something like this if folks are getting in left-turn crashes so that they'll have protected movement instead of the opportunity to miss a gap and miss a chance and get struck.

So this is generally just based on the city limits?

Yes, it's scoped to make improvements and recommendations just within the city limits.

Thank you.

Then from there, we take this action plan to whom?

Good question. So I should have led with this, actually. So another main reason for developing a safety action plan, and one of the reasons that many municipalities across the country are doing it, is because it's linked to safety action plan implementation funding. So, well, it's actually Safe Streets and Roads for All implementation funding. So during the prior administration, they earmarked $5 billion of improvements. over five years to fund infrastructure throughout the country. That bill has since, I believe it is ending now, so the last call for that was this year, and there's a new bill in Congress which requires that an agency have a plan developed and the project they're recommending be in this plan for you to seek what is prospectively another handful of billion of dollars for improvements throughout the country. So you will now have the ability with this plan to competitively bid for that funds nationally.

But we still have to go through ADOT.

That's a great point as well. Likely, we will recommend projects in this plan on ADOT corridors, which are 260 and 60. You will have to partner with them in your grant application and implementation of those projects. Although, if we do make a recommendation that is eventually applied for, chosen to by the city staff, that's not on an ADOT facility, you will have full jurisdiction able to do the funding and project.

I can go on with this, but I got one more, and then I'll kind of stop. So we realize it helps us get a grant application. Then we gotta deal with ADOT. How long can we hold onto that grant application? ADOT doesn't move very swift. So if we have a grant given to us, there's a term limit on grants normally. So if we get it and tell ADOT, hey, we're gonna do all this stuff, this action plan, that could be five, six years in my world.

Well, that's a great question as well. So there's the term your funds are obligated by when the federal government has to give you that funds, and then also a time limit, like you were mentioning, when that funds need to be expended or else it needs to be returned. Now, you could, and this is going to be, again, up to the city staff when they do this project scoping recommendation, but you could essentially have the project administered by ADOT instead of by the city. And it would be essentially funded by a city grant or a city-developed grant from Federal Highway, but ADOT is the administrator and essentially the construction manager of that project.

I'd rather do it the other way around, but that's okay. Yeah. Any other questions or comments? No. Thank you, sir. Appreciate it. Thank you. All righty, next item on the agenda is consent calendar. Proclamation by the mayor proclaiming September 17th through the 23rd, 2026 as constitutionally in consideration of resolution number R. 2026-24 authorizing city clerk or designee to act on behalf of city council regarding certain liquor license applications. Consideration of acceptance of Arizona Department of Transportation grant. Consideration of acceptance of the Federal Aviation Administration grant agreement. Consideration of non-commercial hangar development and ground lease agreement. Consideration of the minutes of the Showville City Council meeting. Before I look for a motion to accept the consent calendar as read, I've got the city attorney would like to make a comment.

Thank you, Mayor. I would request on item 7D to amend the proposed motion if it's so inclined. to allow the city manager to sign the documents.

Okay.

Do I have any more questions or concerns or motions on the consent calendar?

Anybody?

I'll move to accept the consent calendar as presented. The modification that the city attorney made.

I've got a motion. I'll second it. All those in favor? All those opposed, motion passed unanimously. Thank you. Next item on the agenda under new business, consideration of approval of purchase for police department vehicles.

Chief Westover.

Mayor, Vice Mayor, Council, staff, thanks for having us. We were blessed this last year by City Council to purchase six new police vehicles. Thank you for that. As a result of that, we solicited quotes for those six vehicles and two dealerships submitted complete packets for the quotes. Cholo Ford was one and Chalmers Ford out of New Mexico was the other and Cholo Ford submitted the lowest bid. So they were selected to as the dealership to provide us six 2027 Ford Explorer police interceptors. for a total of $283,262.52. MHQ of Arizona is an upfitter we have worked with in the past, and they provided us a quote for upfitting those six vehicles through state contracted pricing at 294, 687, and 48 cents. high country signing graphic, submitted the lowest bid for the decal request at $7,500 for all six vehicles. We added another approximately 11,000 in that for possible inflation increases which we experienced during this last year. And the total budget for this project to purchase and outfit and decal all six vehicles fell within the approved budget of $585,450. Staff recommends approving the purchase of these six vehicles from Sholo Ford in an amount not to exceed the $283,262.52, upfitting those vehicles through MHQ of Arizona in an amount not to exceed $294,687.52. 48 cents and installing full police decal packages from high country signing graphic and amount not to exceed seven thousand five hundred for that total amount of five hundred and eighty five thousand four hundred fifty dollars I'm available for questions if you have any sir any questions or comments announcement

Yeah, last time we did this, we had some problems. It took a long time to get these vehicles, which I think cost us a little bit more money. Is that going to be a problem this time?

We're hoping not. I'm told that upon approval of this purchase, we submit the POs over there, and then Sholo Ford will then make the request to have those built, and they will give us a time frame for those to arrive.

Yeah. We normally do the $12,000 ballistic panel upgrade, or is that something new that we're doing? This is brand new.

This is the first year we've asked for that, and we're grateful that you approved that outfit. It'll put ballistic panels in the front two doors of the vehicles when we do high-risk vehicle stops on, for example, stolen vehicles or known violent offenders. We open up our doors and call them back to us as opposed to approaching the vehicle. So if somebody gets out and fires at us, we have some type of cover behind doors.

That's a good safety feature.

Yeah, thank you for that.

I'll make a motion if I can.

Yeah.

I move to authorize the purchase of six police vehicles from Shola Ford in an amount not to exceed $283,262.52, upfitting the vehicles through MHQ of Arizona in an amount not to exceed $294,687.48, and installing full police decal packages from high country sign and graphic in amount not to exceed $7,500 for a total amount of $585,450 and zero cents and express my appreciation for a local vendor for bidding and procuring this contract.

I got a motion. You need a second? Got a second by Councilman Clark.

Yeah, I just want to second this, and I wholly support it, and I would just request that if the police department could look in, I think it would be worthwhile for us to look at putting these ballistic panels in all of our vehicles, if that's something we might have in council contingency or something, maybe direct staff to look at that. I think that's an added feature that we need for all of our officers. Thank you for that.

I got a motion, and I got a second. All those in favor? All those opposed, motion passed 6-0-1, sustained from both.

He's back.

Okay, thank you, Chief. Next item on the agenda is consideration of acceptance of the Show Low Meadow Multi-Use Path Phase 3, City of Show Low Project Number 4021802, and authorization of scope revision. Mr. Reid.

Good evening, Mayor and Council. On March 24, 2026, the Show Low City Council awarded a construction contract for the Show Low Meadow Multi-Use Path Phase 3 to Macaulay Construction and Trucking, LLC, in an amount not to exceed $73,955.00. After public solicitation of bids from qualified contractors. The total budget for this project was $90,000.00. The scope of work included the furnishing of all labor, materials, and incidental work as required to construct asphalt paving, curbs and gutters, grading, drainage channels, and related improvements. Completion of the project also required a scope revision for the addition of geogrid for added pavement strength, traffic bollards, and asphalt-based materials. Pardon me. The project has been completed for a total cost of $83,175. Staff recommends accepting the construction of the Show Low Meadow Multi-Use Path Phase 3, City of Show Low Project Number 4021802, completed by Macaulay Construction and Trucking LLC, approving the scope revision, and a final project cost of $83,175.00. and initiating the two-year warranty period. We're here to answer any questions you might have.

Thank you, sir. Any questions? Comments?

I just want to say something real quick. And I'll let the vice mayor make the motion. But I just want to thank both the mayor and the vice mayor. And I want to thank previous council members who had the foresight to preserve as much of this meadow as you have. I think it's a crown jewel of our city. It's something that gets heavily used. I know that city staff is getting ready to do the scarecrow walk, which is a huge, huge success. So I tip my hat to Mikey and his crew for them thinking of this and making this really a gathering point for our community. So I want to thank both of you. I know you've been on the council for a long time. I haven't. I don't deserve any of the credit. I know that the two of you have and that previous council members who had had the foresight and the city manager, Mr. Mooder, who made this meadow truly what it is today. And I appreciate that as a member of the council and also as a citizen.

Thank you.

Mr. Mayor?

I would leave to you.

Okay. Okay. I just lost it. All right.

I move to accept the construction of the Show Low Meadow Multi-Use Phase 3 City of Show Low Project number 4021802, completed by Macaulay Construction and Trucking, LLC approved. The scope, revision, and the final project cost of $83,175, no cents, and initiate the two-year warranty period.

Got a motion, got a second by the Vice Mayor. All those in favor? All those opposed? Motion passed unanimously. I'm looking forward to the future of that trail because now there's power out there. So exciting. So it's really exciting. So cool. All right. Next item on the agenda is consideration of award of a construction contract for Vine Glen Park Village Roadway Improvement City of Showville Project number 50027029 and authorization of associated budget transfers.

Mr. Reid. The city's 2027 fiscal year budget includes a capital improvement project labeled Pine Glen Mill and Overlay with a construction budget of $1,011,000.00. The scope of the work includes furnishing of all labor, materials, traffic control, and incidentals, as may be required to mill approximately 19,375 square yards of existing asphalt roadway, repair and compact subgrade, reshape road grades and crowns, install new 3-inch asphalt pavement overlays, adjust water valves and manholes, and other improvements incidental to the work. The project was designed by city engineering staff with an engineer's estimate of $1,293,600. The project was advertised for bids per statutory requirements. Four bids were received, and the four bids, meaning the qualifications, are listed below. Staff recommends awarding the construction contract for the Pine Glen Park Village Roadway Improvements, City of Show Low, project number 50027029 to Perkins Senders Incorporated in an amount not to exceed $1,079,483.27 and authorizing the associated budget transfers. The city standard contract will be used for this project.

Thank you, sir. Is there any questions or comments? Vice Mayor.

I think it's pretty incredible that we have some of these inconspicuous subdivisions and areas of our community that don't get the attention that others get. So that subdivision's been there for quite a while. And I'd like to make a motion that we award the construction contract for the Pine Gland Park Village roadway improvements to the City of Shiloh project number 50027029 to Perkins-Cinders, incorporated for an amount not to exceed $1,079,483.27 and authorize associated budget transfers and hope that they would put in an even dollar amount next time.

Do you want that part of your motion? I got a motion, got a second by Councilman Adams. A real quick comment is that Was it there before McNary Clinic or after? I remember that subdivision. And you're 100% correct. It's a subdivision that not a lot of us remember because we don't go back there. I had to ask her where exactly that was at. I don't have the map in front of me, but you're 100% correct because I think the last time I was through there, maybe four or five years ago, I think 90% of it was gravel and it was supposed to be asphalt, but it deteriorated. So anyway, I got a motion. I got a second. All those in favor? All those opposed? Motion passed unanimously.

Oh, it's the Chris Reed Show.

Next item on the agenda is consideration of award of a construction contract for Taxiway Bravo Overlay, City of Showville project number 75027023 and authorization of associate budget transfers. Mr. Reed.

The city's 2027 fiscal year budget includes a capital improvement project labeled Taxiway B Improvements with a construction budget of $275,000. and a project savings from 2,026 capital improvement projects, 36-drive curb, and Wolford subdivision improvements. The scope of the work includes the furnishing of all labor, materials, traffic control, and incidentals as may be required to install approximately 1,600 tons of 2.5-inch asphalt overlay, 10,200 square yards of tack coat, pavement fabric, and other incidental work. The project was designed by Sydney engineering staff with an engineer's estimate of $521,100 for base bid and alternative bid items. The project was advertised for bids per statutory requirements. Four bids were received, and the four bids meeting the qualifications are listed below in your packet. Staff recommends awarding the construction contract for the Taxiway Bravo overlay, City of Show Low Project Number 75027023 to Western Grade LLC in an amount not to exceed $524,229.93 for all base bid and alternative bid items, and authorizing the associated budget transfers. The City's standard contract will be used for this project. And I'm here to answer any questions that you might have.

Thank you, sir. Any questions or comments or motions?

I have a question.

Vice Mayor.

So, Mr. Reid, it's an overlay project. So how many inches of overlay are we grinding up the pavement and overlaying, relaying it back?

It's a, it's a, sorry. It's a two-and-a-half-inch overlay on top of the two-ish inches that are there, including the bit alternate for the paving fabric to give it some structural strength. So we're getting, as a city, two-and-a-half inches of new asphalt over the old. We are not milling the asphalt that's there. There's not enough to mill.

We're just putting it over.

I got a quick question, which I wished I would have asked on the other one, but usually Councilman Adams throws one out there, but how long on this project, when are they going to get started, how long, because winter's coming on, so we got to be concerned about when they're going to start this and finish this.

We would anticipate them, they're chomping at the bit, so we're anticipating them to start here in the next couple of weeks.

Okay.

I'll talk to you later on the other one. Hey, Vice Mayor.

I move to award the construction contract for the Taxiway Bravo overlay City of Solo project number 75027023 to Western Grade LLC for an amount not to exceed $524,229.93 and authorize the associated budget transfers that they would put in an even dollar amount next time.

Maybe we could just do that for now. As a tip. Got a motion, got a second by Councilman Adams. All those in favor? All those opposed? Motion passed unanimously. That was the longest time you've been in front of us.

That's three. That's my new personal best. Well, if it's going to be four, I'd have to wait to the next meeting. That's right. Thank you. Appreciate your work.

Okay, next item on the agenda is consideration of a proposed annual performance evaluation process for the 20 positions. Ms. Ryan.

Good evening, Mayor and Council. The City Council is responsible for conducting annual performance evaluations of its appointed officials, including the city manager, city attorney, and city magistrate. Historically, these evaluations have been conducted informally during executive session, consisting primarily of verbal presentations by the appointed officials, followed by council discussion and feedback. While this process has provided flexibility, it has not included standardized evaluation criteria, written performance metrics, or formal documentation to ensure consistency across evaluations. At the direction of the City Council and following prior discussions regarding evaluation practices, the Human Resources Department has developed a proposed evaluation process and accompanying documents for Council's consideration. The proposed process is intended to provide a more structured, consistent, and transparent framework for evaluating appointed officials and maintaining the council's ability to discuss performance and provide direction during executive session. The proposed evaluation materials include standardized evaluation forms, performance criteria, instructions for council members, participation, and procedures for compiling and presenting evaluation results. The process is designed to promote fairness, establish clear expectations, and provide meaningful performance feedback while aligning evaluation outcomes. with council priorities and organizational goals. The attached documents have been provided for council review and consideration. Staff is requesting direction from City Council regarding the adoption of the proposed evaluation process and associated evaluation materials for appointed officials. If approved, staff will implement the process for the upcoming evaluation cycle and coordinate the necessary timelines and documentation with the council and appointed officials. And I'm available for any questions.

Thank you, Mr. Ryan. I appreciate that. Let me make a quick couple comments here. First of all, thank you for this process. I know it was a lot of work, and I think there's a few of us up here that have been part of this kind of a process, and I think it's a great idea. I think Councilman Clark first brought it to us that we needed to start doing something like this. We're growing. We need something like this. A month or so ago, I think, roughly, I believe it was sent to you guys to review and if you had any questions. And this is a work in process. It's not like this is we can't change it, we can't add to it. But I would ask that this evening, if you have questions, to make notes to change this. Because as you all know, we can probably do a study session on just this. probably longer than we want to do that. And that's why it was sent to you. So I'm hoping if you have any other questions or concerns, we can change this throughout the process. I know being part of NACOG for the last 14 years, we started doing this. And at first, some of the management wasn't too excited about it, but now they praise it. So it's something that... I know I look forward to, I've kind of read the whole thing. I know we used a lot of different processes from different communities, but I just ask you all sitting up here that if you do have any changes or want to make any changes to get with Ms. Ryan instead of, Us saying, yeah, we wanna do that. We'll do that as the process goes. I think it's a great start. Hopefully y'all looked at it and we could just move forward for there. And that's, I didn't want this, especially tonight to be like an open book. We're gonna sit here and debate about it. We just got it in process. I believe Mrs. Ryan sent it to us a month or so ago. Look at it. You want some changes. Even when we start this process, during the process, we can make some changes. We know it's not perfect for us today, but I think moving forward in a year or two years or three years, I think it's going to be a great thing for our staff that we appoint. So with that, thank you. for all your hard work. I know it's not easy, especially something new, but I absolutely love the idea and being somebody that's worked with it for years, I love it because You know, the staff writes what their expectations are, and now we get to go to them and say, you told us this, so how are you doing it? So I absolutely love it. I know Vice Mayor's probably worked with it before. I'm sure Councilman Clark has. I don't know about the rest of you, but I just think it's a great idea, especially for the growth of our community and a lot of responsibility to our appointed staff. So with that, any other questions? Vice Mayor.

I would just like to make a comment. Ashley, you've done a comprehensive job in completing this process, and I appreciate that very, very much. I think it's going to be easy for all of us to adopt and implement. So I appreciate your efforts and hard work on this. Thank you very much. Thank you.

Anyone else got any questions or comments or motions?

I move to approve the proposed appointed officials evaluation process and associated evaluation documents as presented. Direct staff to implement the process for future annual evaluations.

Got a motion. Got a second by Councilman Whipple. Any other comments?

I thought you were going to make comments.

All those in favor? All those opposed? Motion passed unanimously. Ashley, again, thank you very much. I know you worked with our legal and made sure everything was, so I appreciate that. And I'm sure we'll have some changes, but I appreciate all your hard work.

And I'm up for helping with those, so thank you very much. Thank you.

Next item on the agenda is summary of current events.

Good. That's it? It's a great day in Shiloh.

Thank you. It's like it's a bad day now all of a sudden. That's what Adam's. It's a great day in Shiloh.

Okay.

Vice Mayor?

It's a beautiful day and a wonderful day.

Pray for snow now. Anybody else?

I want to just say thank you to the Fishers of Men. They put up the flags by the Circle K. Brenna Culver's in the Circle K over there by Walmart. And I know, I think I speak for all of us, that we're proud of the community we live in, and we're grateful for those guys and all that they do. Appreciate them.

Yes, totally agree. Real quick, snow's coming, we hope, so I know it's getting cool out there. I love this time of year, so we get to go out in the woods and chase elk and It's a fantastic time of year. I think this weekend there's a big soccer tournament at Cougar Stadium, I believe, is this weekend. So if you all are out and about, we'll root them on. I know homecoming is this Friday. Cougars are 4-0. 4-0? 3-0. 4-0. 4? 4-0, so... Looking good. We've got some big games coming up. So keep those Cougar players in your mind and go watch them. I know we're going to spend some time. I don't know much about soccer, but I'm going. I've tried. I asked Councilman. earlier and he goes, I don't understand why there's offsides. Anyway, I'm gonna go, I won't understand, but I'm gonna go. But anyway, get out, support the Cougars. They really need your support. City Manager.

Thank you, Mayor. Just a couple quick things to remind people about. As mentioned earlier, we have our popular Scarecrow walk-in contest coming up. Individuals, families, businesses, and groups are all invited to join in the fun and enter the contest with the best scarecrow. You can register now through October 7th. You can contact our Recreation Department for more information at 532-4130. And the walk-in vote contest goes from October 19th through the 31st. And the Recreation Department is also hosting an art show and an open house for their new location at 760 East McNeil on September 29th from 5 to 7.30 p.m. Council, Mayor, and everybody's invited to come, look at the new building, look at the art that was entered in the art contest, and just have some light refreshments. So I want to put that on your calendar. That's all I have, Mayor.

Vice Mayor apparently needed seconds.

Yeah, I do. Just to tag on to the mayor's comments, Boyd's soccer team this year has not been scored on. So you guys need to all go to the soccer tournament and meet against Blue Ridge and Show Low on the 1st.

And I'm sure you're all there and Show Low.

Not been scored against.

How they do that. I know they kick it in there. That's about it. Anybody else need seconds?

Good. Schedule the meetings. So, Mayor and Council, just to kind of keep you apprised of the next meetings coming up, our next regular council meeting will be on October 6th. Then after that, we're not going to have our regular meeting on October 20th. We're going to have our retreat on October 28th. And we want to just ask the council if they prefer, because the next meeting after that would be November 3rd. If we can just stay on October 28th and do a council meeting that night, shortly after we're done with the retreat, then we wouldn't need our meeting on November 3rd, which is actually election night. So if that works for council, that would save us a meeting there.

And just to tag on to that, once they figure out the timeline for the retreat, then they'll give us more about what time. You know, if the retreat gets over at 3, do we want to be here at 4? Since we're all together, we'd have to gather up and come in here. So don't let us know that within the next couple weeks. Everybody's good with that since we're together anyway. Is that it? Sounds good. I see no more business before this council. Sorry it was an hour and 20 minutes, but sometimes it happens. I'll adjourn this meeting.