Planning & Zoning - Regular Meeting

and zoning commission uh to order and I would like to ask if one of the commissioners would offer an invocation for us this morning. Thank you. If you pray with me, please. Dear heavenly father, thank you for allowing us to be here today to conduct the business for our community that will lead it to a better community. Uh thank you for the many blessings that you give us and and help us to to lead our lives to serve you. Uh be with us as we meet this day and everyone here. In his name we pray. Amen. Amen.

Thank you so much. So, we'll move to approval of the minutes of the September 24th meeting. May I have a motion for approval of the minutes as submitted or any changes that we need to be making? I'll move to approve. Thank you. Can I get a second? I'll second that one. Okay. Confirm uh with unanimous vote. Thank you very much. The motion passes. We'll go on now to the financial report.

Yeah, I don't believe you have a copy of the financial statement in your packet. So, just listen to me. I will verbalize.

Okay. The main numbers here. If uh we've gone through three months now, so we're a quarter into the the fiscal year. So if we were right on budget, we'd be at 25% of revenue and 25% of expenses. Our revenue actually is at 46% for the reasons we've discussed in the past. And that is the fourth quarter re contribution from Boil County and Danville didn't get recorded until this year. So we got double the amount of contributions that we normally would have had in the first quarter. If you pull those numbers out, if you pull that extra contribution out, we'd be at 26% of of revenue year to date versus a budget of 25%. Then we're slightly over. We're not slightly over. Construction review fees, which ran strong last year, are running strong again this year. And that's the reason we're we're over. When it comes to total expenditures, uh if you were to look at the page, it would show that that it says we're at 22% uh of our budgeted expenditures versus a 25% if we were on budget. But again, this number does not yet include the bluegrass ad charges for both the comp plan and director services. Well, those will be should be in the numbers at the next month's meetings. But if you were put those numbers, which are $53,000 into our total expenditures, we'd be at 45% versus a budget of 25%.

But again, not not unexpected and we can handle it in our in our budget. And so, uh, there's really nothing more to update than that other than again next month we should be having the bluegrass ad charges reflected in our expenditures. So we do need a any questions or a motion to accept. I also want to add to that I did confirm with bluegrass ad that they have received those checks and has have cash those checks and we also started our uh annual audit as well. So I just wanted to add those two notes. I make a motion to accept. Can I get a second for that motion? Second.

Thank you. All those in favor all those in favor please say yes or raise your hand. Thank you. that um financial report is approved. Okay, we're going to move on to constru construction shities and Miss Gray will present the report. So on the screen is an outline of the construction charities um or sorry these are the letter letters of credit. Um but the one on the agenda today is to discuss a reduction for High Cliff Properties LLC and we are um going to discuss uh reducing that bond to $90,000 and 70745 90,745. Sorry, I haven't finished my coffee yet. Um so I think that is the only thing on the agenda. We did have another one on the agenda previously, but they are taken off um for this month. Um so this is just an overview of the letters of credit and then we also have the overview of the cash bonds and the performance bonds. No change to either of those two, but the only change would be the letter of credits um and reducing that from I think it was about around 400,000 down to around 90,000.

Any questions for Miss Gray? And we've checked and reviewed the construction progress, Shann. Yes. Yeah. Me and Josh have drove out there. I drove out there by myself and then we drove out there together just to see the progress. They have utility poles up. They are, you know, more than we're more than more than happy with the progress they've made. Good. Okay. Can I have a motion to approve the reduction of High Cliff Properties LLC to accept their new LLC in the sum of $90,745? I'd I'd like to make that motion based upon the information presented today. Thank you, Sam. May I uh get a second for that motion?

I'll second it. Thank you, Carrie. All those in favor, please say I or raise their hand. I Thank you. That motion passes. Um will you also add to that motion um to uh allow me to sign for that reduction in the contract rather than having no not Yes. Oh sorry Sally not me. Okay. Yeah that's where I was confused acceptable in your motion. Yes I would like to make that included a motion that allow our chairman to my second. Okay and everyone all right? Y thank you.

Thank you. Okay, unanimous vote. Let's move on to the subdivision approvals. Can we do the cash bonds look at for a minute? Yes, absolutely. Yeah. Um, so it's up there on the screen as well. Oh, okay. I noticed all these cash bonds are past their project status date. Yes. Um, and that is something that we actually want to discuss coming up here soon. Yeah,

where it's not been our um practice to have to call these bonds regularly, but I I think the fact that we have a couple of them that are at this stage merits a discussion. We'll bring that to you next meeting, I anticipate. Yes. Okay. Because yeah, they're the they expired the end of June and the end of July. So, it's been it's not just a month, not just expiring today. So, I'd like to I agree. bring it up in the next discussion on what we should do not only addressing these particular cases but we have in the works a change to our subregs to help address this problem going forward. So Oh, thank you very much. Okay. Is that

Do I need to make a motion that we could rather in or just have the notes? Is that adequate? Be in our meeting minutes. It'll it'll be in the minutes and we'll bring you actionable items next time. Okay. I'm satisfied. Thank you. Anything else in regards to the shities or related matters? Okay. All right. Now we'll go ahead and move to subdivision approvals and Miss Gray is going to present an application.

So the first application is the Keith Shannon and Mike Graves plat. Um they have applied for the subdivision of a 6 point or 691 and a 988 acre parcel. um located at 112 North Braxton Drive in Pville. Um it's northeast of Pville. Um and the property is currently zoned single family. We have talked about this I think at two different committee meetings at this point. So it's been tabled twice. Um and in tech review we also talked about it as well. Um and I think in in tech review our decision was to go ahead and approve it on the condition that the city and utilities sign it as well. Um and they do have those signatures. Um, so I think that was the decision made in tech review that we go ahead with this application and approve it based on the fact that utilities and the city will have to sign it because there is a water pump station that they've already maintained for several years.

We didn't I was at the tech review. We did not find any. Forgive me. We did not find any other concern or issue. No. Nope. Mostly just historical background that we were trying to dig into. I'll make a motion we approve. Second. And gentlemen, is is that motion contingent upon city signatures? Yes. I guess I thought we said we had received them. Um, they've got them already, but I think it's important to have our that contingent based on the city side. Okay. Still. All right. I'll make I'll add that. Yes.

Are there any further questions or comments from the commission? If not, all those in favor, please confirm by raising your hand or saying yes. Yes. Yes. Okay. Motion passes. Miss Gray, you want to go on?

Yes. So, the second one we have on the agenda is Redbud Farm LLC has applied for the subdivision of 6.025 acres of land located on uh Sanctuary Road, Danville. Um, so this is the sanctuary neighborhood out near Gogen and out near uh Danville Country Club. Uh, the lot is or the property is currently zoned R1C. Um, and again in tech review, we didn't see anything that was um of concern. Sorry, one second. Um, but we do have a variance to talk about. Um, so in this plat there was a request for a variance in the um, like purpose statement in the plat. And so we did along with this approval have to approve a variance from 6 ft to 5 ft for the sidewalks

of the subreg of the subreg. This is this is an expansion of the existing subdivision. This is the next segment in that. Yeah. I think it's about 10 and the other then the older the original had the had the single sidewalk if I remember correctly. Yes. Yes. And so Miss Bowman, you and I talked about this, the the basis for the variance is that it is consistent with the existing phases of the subdivision. Is that okay? Yeah, that's the key element here. Okay. That is actually the concern if you don't do it right. Thank you. So this is the first time that we've talked about this expansion though at the commission, correct? This wasn't tabled previous or

No, no, this is the first time it's been on the agenda. All right. Would anyone like to speak in favor of this and the variance?

Good morning.

Good morning. My name is Kendall Wise. I work for Vantage Engineering and you know a zone change was approved for this property last year. I think a similar lot layout was presented at that time. Nothing's changed in terms of that. I think the lots are actually wider than what was presented with with the conceptual plan at the zone change hearing. Um, so in terms of the subdivision of the property, it's straightforward, meets all the sub subreg and so forth. The one variance that we've we're requesting would be for the reducing the sidewalk width from six feet to 5 feet. Most streets require a 5-ft sidewalk in Damble. Early on, Sanctuary Road was was classified as a collector street despite the fact that it really won't collect that much traffic. But

nonetheless, they they deemed it a collector street. And so the subdivision rags require that a collector street have six foot wide sidewalks, which is a foot wider, of course, than the typical 5 foot wide sidewalks required on all other new streets. So the existing sanctuary road has a 4ft wide sidewalk along the majority of the road. It doesn't actually even go to Gagan Road, which is the state highway at the front end of the subdivision. It's the 4ft sidewalks are mainly for the neighborhood to use. They're internal. They don't go to the extents of the of the parent track. And so it just makes sense to rather than build six foot sidewalks that transition into a 4- foot sidewalk that actually doesn't go anywhere other than allow people to circulate within the the neighborhood. So that that those are the reasons for the the variance request. So it will still comply with a typical local street sidewalk width. It just doesn't meet the requirement for a collector street. Any questions? The commissioner.

Thank you. Thank you. Would anyone else like to to speak in favor of this um approval and variance? Would anyone like to speak in opposition to this? If not, I believe we have a motion to approve. And there's are there any condition? There's no conditions on this one then. Or we're just including the variance. Just including varian, right? Okay.

And so that variance would be pursuant to subdivision regulation 1.5 that there are no other uh ordinances of government that are violated. the exception is the minimum necessary to provide relief that it allows consistency with prior phases and that there is in fact a question as to classification of this road as a collector and as long as we've captured that in that fashion. Thank you Henry. I'd like to make a motion that we approve that with that variance. Thank you. Can I get a second? Second. Thank you. All those in favor, please say yes or raise your hand. Yes.

Thank you. Motion passes. Okay, let's move on to McAfee properties. This is the last properties of 3.491 acres of land located.

Would you put your microphone a little closer? Sorry, it was off. Yes. Um, so let me just start that over. So, McAfee Properties LLC has applied for the subdivision of 3.49 491 acres of land located at 845 Stanford Road in Danville. The property is currently zoned Highway Business. Um, and you can see it's out by Ghost Pike and um, Stanford Road or Stanford A um, near Avenue of Champions. Um, and in Tech Review we discussed this. It's I have no concerns. Tech Review didn't have any concerns with this plat. Um, yeah, I think that's all I have on that. Okay. Would any one like to speak in favor of this uh approval?

What's the intended use of the property? The property is zoned highway business and so it will be a commercial in this case a retail use. Um in the in the coming months you'll see a site plan for a a fuel station and that's what we're working on now. But you know obviously we're creating a lot for commercial use. the zone the zoning allows commercial use and as long as the plan the planning of it all continues to move forward it would be a fuel station. Um and uh I don't know what questions you all might have but we're you know creating a lot that will have front on Stanford Road in the future on the north end there will be a city street. We've added a an easement. There's a stamp over top of the language in that in that note, but the easements, both the building setback, utility easement, and also an easement for a future for the construction of a future street. so that the street won't actually be in the space of that easement, but we're we're we're noting that a street will be there and we're allowing ourselves space to to grade and construct the street on this lot if needed to tie in slopes and so forth and put utilities in if needed. So, just trying to make the buyer of the the lot aware that can't we'd like for them not to build to the to the property line on that side just because there will be some construction happening in the future and we might

there's a lot of ground beyond that. Yeah. That you can vision. Yeah. What's the access then to the ghost pike for the remaining parent track? So, the remaining parent tracks has a good bit of frontage on Stanford Road. Okay. So, um you know outside of this future street that will be built and again it's future and not part of this plan.

Um but they would also have a good bit of road frontage on Stanford Road in addition to that new street future street. But the, you know, we have we have plans to extend sewer service to this lot. It's within a couple hundred feet right now. So, it would be public sewer extended to the lot. Water's on the front of the lot. They have access to gas. They have they have all the utilities they need to to do a commercial development. Kendall, there's already some work been done on the on that

that area that's disturbed there has been a staging ground for the gas company. I guess uh they've been and and Michael McAfee could explain that better. He's the owner and he's here with us today. But that space has just been used as a staging area for I think Atmas Energy has been using it. They've been all over town digging up, making messes and so forth, but they're using that as a home base for for their equipment and material storage and things.

Any further questions? Thank you. Thank you. Would anyone like to Can you speak further about this um application or this subdivision approval?

Thank you. I'm Mark Morgan. I'm a resident of Danville, Kentucky on Count Fleet Circle. Um, it's my understanding from conversations with the city engineer Josh Morgan and others that the easement on the north end um is for both a trail that connects the Clarks Run Henson Trail, Clarks Run Trail System and the Henson Trail System with a trail head on Stanford Road to downtown Danville in the future. um as well as for a road. And I'm I'm not sure how the dimensions of that easement shown along Stanford Road, but I'm curious as to whether both of those purposes can be accommodated by the easement, which is requiring a setback notice to future owners. And we appreciate very much that Mr. McAfee um in discussions with the city had created that easement. I think it was 3 years ago, but we certainly appreciate it.

So you're you're talking right adjacent to the road the area.

Correct. somewhere in that easement that there could be connectivity between the Clark's Run Trail System uh trail head and down towards Bait Middle School where it becomes very difficult to to get um either a a bike or a pedestrian from those areas, the Bait Middle School, the old Bait Middle School to the Clarks Run trail head. And it was my understanding that as chair of the Danville Boil County Trails Alliance that there that that easement was to accommodate both a trail and a road and I'm just curious is to I don't know the dimensions of that easement whether that's anticipated or not.

Well, we have the we have the engineer here. Yeah, maybe you can provide it. Thank you, Mark.

Thank you. So early on when the the parent track had zone changes approved, there were restrictions put on the property that go beyond what you know the restrictions of the zones that we changed them to. And one of those restrictions was a 25 foot greenway along Stanford Road for all of the property. And on our plat we have both, we call it a 25 foot building setback, greenway and utility easement. And so those restrictions that were tied to the property whenever the zone change happened still exist and and are still part of our our site plan for the fuel station that we're doing. And um so there will be a 25 ft strip of land along the frontage of all of these properties that won't have parking lots on it, but it will be reserved for the city to come along and build a a trail if they if and when they choose to do that. So there's a 25 foot space there that's been reserved for for that in addition to the the green space on that is part of the highway rightway

outside of the pavement paved area. So you've got 25 plus the extra eight feet of grass between the edge of pavement and the state right away for all of those types. Yeah. And the tech review because I was there with you, we talked about this being larger than a typical area that you would see at 25 foot. Normally, you know, normally you can build um your parking lot in the building setback in that in that building setback area, but in this case it's a greenway. It is it is a greenway andor and can be used as a trail head or a trail a space to build the trail and that was all been those restrictions were put on the property whenever the zone change hearing happened and

so they've been carried on to here. So we yeah and our our site plan has other than a a driveway entrance going to Stanford Road which is allowed according to the language in those restrictions um that space would be left open. there wouldn't be any parking, pavement, so forth in that 25 ft space. Yeah. So, Mark is Does that address your issue, Mr. I I I believe it does. Um I think that that accommodates exactly what I was talking about and I very much appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you.

Would anybody else like to speak in regards to this subdivision approval? If not, then uh I would Are there any questions from the commissioners? Would anyone like to make a motion? I'll move to approve the uh subdivision McAfee properties as noted here. Henry, is there any other sub stipulation in that? Yes, sir. I think it's technically correct and ready for approval. I'll move to approve. All right. I need a second. Second.

Thank you very much. Let's um call for a vote. All those in favor say yes or raise your hand.

Motion approves. Now we're going to move on to public hearings. And I believe we have a public hearing in regards to Jennifer Paycheck and John Mlin Mlin. Sorry if I mispronounced. They've applied for a zoning map amendment on their um parcel located at 145 East Martin Luther King Boulevard from multi-family residential to central business. And I believe that Miss Ch paycheck is going to come forward and talk about this.

Good morning. And forgive me for a minute. some did you director did you have any pre-words you wanted to say about this? Um yes so um I apologize but

you're fine. I guess really the only areas of concern that I have for this zone change I think the zone change is in line with both the 2017 and 2018 comp plan and flume and the 2025 comp plan and flume. So, I think this zone change goes well and in your packets it I kind of show both of the um flumes. Um but my biggest concern is that North First Street and I'm sorry I totally forgot to change the pictures on that so it's not up there. But North First Street is a very very narrow road. Um so my suggestions for this site development plan is that is twofold. And I've talked to Josh about this and it would be a city um of engineer decision, but my suggestion would be to make North First Street a oneway and have a cut through to the parking lot from North Second Street. And I would like to obviously see a very detailed like where are the buildings going to go in um surrounding residential because if we make a parking lot surrounding RM2 um we need to be very thoughtful about the landscaping about fencing and green landscaping and ensure that you know the residents are taken care of because it's surrounded by six or seven residents. Um so I think those are my only areas of concern. I think the zone change itself is in line with the comp plan and flume um and has been for a while. But I think that is my only consideration is that we need to be very thoughtful about the landscaping especially if it's a parking lot. And

now director I director I familiar with the street. It is a very narrow street. It is it is not a typical second, third street, fourth street. Yes. Yes. It's it's an alleyway. Like I would even I would even suggest making that just a walking path. I didn't know what to do with it. But there's a lot of parking that comes in. people go in the back of that area for the businesses already on Yeah. the um the west side of that road.

Yeah. And I I mean even when I went to put the sign out um like people cannot pull into that alleyway without waiting for people to pull out. So it and it's a two-way street. Um so but it is difficult because the residents on the east side near East Walnut and North First Street, their driveway is on that North First Street. So, I think my suggestion would be either making it one way or making it like a pedestrian po. So, like making it like a pedestrianon street, but um and making a cut through through North Second Street to get to that parking lot. But again, I think the zone change is in line with what we want, but I think it we need to be very thoughtful about how we do it. Well, that's that's my concern is the traffic there. Yeah. On there. Okay.

I want to make sure that I didn't misread what you had presented to us because it's stages for the conversation. Let's give these folks a chance to speak.

Hello. So, um yeah, we we recently um acquired this property. So, um um I don't know if you could see it on the copy that you were given, but our interpreting service for um Central Kentucky Interpreting is on Second Street and it is track seven. So, that's where we we work out of right now on all of our interpreters. And uh we have 12 employees but we have yet only four spaces.

So back there um we have the narrowest track um and the the counseling center next door which used to be the radiologist

years before that. They have three tracks. So the parking lot is really all theirs. And so we just have the four spots behind us. So um we have really good neighbors next door. um the Second Street uh Christian Church um and they let us use their parking lot for our parking to get our cars off the off the street during the week. And so that's really kind of worked out. Um, but when this land came up for sale, we thought it would be a really good opportunity for us to um be able to put a parking lot there. Um, and then also set the two the two the two front tracks could be um something commercial. Um, we were looking at tracks 10 and 11 because they're facing the road. Could uh maybe be something along the lines that would really help with the community like um a primary care doctor. There are no primary care doctors in walking distance of the hospitals. Pediatrician, there's women's care, an orthopedic doctor. But as far as a family, I think that the closest would be Himple out on Lexington Avenue. So that I think would be nice. Um, plus if we could develop that property to make it um maybe a primary care doctor, doctors make good land doctors make good tenants. That might, you know, kind of be a win-win. And then use um track 18 as a parking lot. But going um along the lines with what Hannah said about being really mindful about the people that are that are the six or seven houses that are around it, making sure we have appropriate fencing so we don't have headlights coming in their bedrooms and and and that kind of thing. Um and um I was talking with the church

next door. Um they are they they didn't come here today, but they said they would if I needed them to, but but we didn't think it was necessary that um like you said with the updated um future land use map that it really isn't appropriate to be um duplexes, we don't want duplexes in there. If we had that, we'd have even more um maybe some more problems just with increased traffic as far as we have a lot of problems with kids riding their bikes there and stuff and it's not a really lighted area.

Um and so that's kind of our plan. Um we'd be happy to answer any questions that you might have. Sorry if I could I I don't mean to say that. I did not mean to say that it it should If if it was state RM2 and there was residents there, I think that would be appropriate as well given the fact that it's surrounded by residents. That's not what I meant. I just meant that it is in line with the comp plan in Flume. Likewise, I that's I agree with that. The request is for us to propose to make it a CB. Correct. Yes. To central business. Yes. Central business. That's what the request is.

Okay. Do we have other questions for these folks? Well, we don't have when you're referring to lot 18 or whatever. I don't have anything that shows that the parking you're talking about is that's going to be on First Street then. No. In Yeah, I thought you I turned this in with a copy of of my of our application. I thought you It did not It did not flow down to us. Okay. So just so you just kind of look 10 facing

and then um 18 is the long track and then this right here would be first street. I'm sorry. I thought they would have that up here. That's okay. Well, so the parking would be where? 18. parking would be um 18 and then 10 and 11 would be the commercial the potential commercial lots. Yes. And the idea is um all that traffic wouldn't have to come in through um the alley. It could also come in through one of those tracks. Well, but the the street is there. That's

true. It is. Um but if um if it was one way, there could be more than one entrance and more than one exit. Miss Paycheck, is it is it all right if we keep that for the record that map you just circulated? Absolutely. And sorry, I don't have it in my files even here, so I don't I don't know where that went with the application. Um I don't know if I've seen that either. Okay. Okay. If if we're going to if you end up reserving space in that 10 or 11 track,

I'd like to somehow lock it in so that we know we have enough width and activity because you're right, that one track, the section in the back is a large amount of area if it's all parking or even if it isn't all parking, you're intending to put a lot more cars there. Well, and so so the funny thing is is that this lot 18 that you're looking at right now has been the unofficial parking lot for uh farmers market

for the Christmas parade. It's overflow parking for our neighborhood churches when they have funerals because I believe a few years ago. The Baptist church, Second Street Baptist Church, no longer has control of the parking lot next door because I think that's Cro well was Kroger eventually, but now it's the specialty center. Right. Right. So, so if they have a funeral during the day, during the work week, they can't park where the specialty center parks. So, um, you know, they always cone off all of that for the hearse and whatnot. So what happens is is they come over to our our vacant lot because there are we'll tow you signs in the counseling center and rightfully so because they have they're conducting business with coun you know counseling and so we end up with parking people parking just on the grass and that's fine. We don't mind them doing that but it is kind of a little bit dangerous depending on the weather. They trump through the, you know,

it would be nicer if we my our vision is that we'll somehow be able to have a parking lot that's pretty big back there that um we could maybe um get a partnership or a grant where we could have free uh municipal parking for evening and weekends. that would that would be in alignment with having extra parking for overflow for the Christmas parade for Constitution Square for the for the farmers market used to be the barbecue festival. Now not so much anymore but anyway because that's where they're already parking

and I I I can see that we need something needs to be addressed. What we're trying to do at this point is decide and determine how that ties into the proposed zoning change. How how we're going to tie it in. That would be my opinion. Sure. And and so it's an understanding of the the traffic flow down the small street, the already inadequate drive and an empty field that people have been parking in because I've seen that many times. I know I know exactly what you're talking about. Sure.

And I appreciate the offer that you have in here. This does seem to be a good opportunity, but the first street is an extremely narrow street. You know, uh, delivery trucks of large size have difficulties going down there. I've had many a parade float that has difficulty turning and parking it over there. So, I understand where you're coming from. Um, so I also do have questions about like the landscaping. Do you have are you thinking 10-ft fence? Are you thinking green landscaping? Are you thinking overhead lights? Do you have are you have you thought that far in the future about the parking aspect of it? Um not um not as far as the specifics.

Okay. Um it would be nice if it was lit up. At the same time, we have people who live around too. So we have to take that into consideration.

It it can be a little bit we have one light on that alley right now. Um, but it is kind of a meeting place for I would say, you know, save me some, you know, not so great things in the middle of the night because it's a dark area. It's a good meeting spot. And if it had more light, that might make it a little bit safer. Well, at the same time, we don't want, you know, people not who live there not to be able to sleep. So, um, we haven't we don't have an actual plan, but, um, if you went over there and looked right now, it's pretty dense as far as there's really big trees on that property right now. So, um, some of that would have to be removed, but not all of it. We don't want to take away from,

you know, it's been a green space for so many years, um, that we want to be able to maintain some of that with the tree, leaving some of the big trees there and stuff. Um, I mean my suggestion it would be be it heavy like heavy landscape and a tall fence and I would I would suggest no lighting because there is so many residents around there. Um, but I know that would be difficult with a parking lot in downtown area, but I mean you I I would recommend to not do do the best at not disrupting the surrounding neighborhood that is already existing in the area. and director. So process for us we would be asked here to approve the zoning change

and con and and say that's consistent with what the area is consistent with the comp plan consistent with the flumes would we then also later get a site plan? Correct. And but I think we could add add conditions to this zone change um before we see the site plan. So we can add as many conditions as you'd like. and I suggest a few where we're going. Thank you. Okay. Thank you. Thank you very much. Sure.

Would anybody else like to speak in regards to this um request to change the um property the zoning? It's John Hughes. I live on Bluegrass. Not. It went off. You're good. You're good.

Okay. I uh would like to chime in on any possibility of closing any street. I have three words. Oh, no. Uh I just go back history of Danville. Epher McDow had Martin Luther King closed because they argued that after 911 a car could be left under the new addition if it were to be built over Martin Luther King. Well, they closed Martin Luther King and now they had that drop off. There's parking spaces. Guess what? Still can park a car there and it blow up and kill people. So, I am totally against any idea. Now, either way you want to make it uh one way, that's fine. Just please don't close any streets. Thank you.

Thank you, sir. Would anybody else like to speak in regards to this zone change?

Okay. Thomas Riley, I'm on the property 102 East Warner Street. Um, I'm flat against the zone change, period. uh the idea of putting a parking lot back behind five houses residential and that long slot is approximately 97 feet wide about 260 ft long. And in order to put a parking lot there, you going to put lights back in there or whatever. What are you going to put in? I mean, we got people on Martin Luther King. We got people on on Warner Street. They got lights in the front of the house. You going to put lights in the back of the house, too? No. Uh there used to be a parking place back. I agree with that. There used to be a parking place back there, but it was illegal parking. Uh people just put the cars back in there. It would never zone for that. It was obvious always in residential. It should stay a residential. Uh you talking about parking on Warner Street during the time of the u brass any kind of activity on there. We don't have a parking problem. We have an enforcement problem on Second Street. On that second street going down through there, it says no parking except Sunday. Do they do it? No. Uh, we need to inform these people. We need to get the police to inform down there and and patrol the area. We need to try uh start ticketing these people. Need to start towing these cars and that'll eliminate that problem on Saturday when you go down through there. I can't even get through there half the time.

You have to go up Martin Luther King then come back through the alley in order to get there. No, I don't want to see it happen. Um they're talking about providing parking, not in that area. Leave it residential. They want to develop it and put lots in there, put houses in there. They can do that with no problem. But to make it commercial, no. Um talk to Carol about city planning. Uh house a property over there city can go up to like 40t and put a house put a a building in there 40t tall. All right. Now a 40ft building and you got people on both sides. Not a good idea. Need to leave it like it is. Develop it. Put more homes back in there. You're talking about we need more affordable places to live. We can put them over in that area. Put another road through there coming off of Martin Luther King. Put another slot back in there. You put several homes in that section and leave business on the right hand side of the alley, leave residential on the other side, and be done with it.

Okay. Thank you, sir. Thank you. I believe someone else wants to speak in regards to this.

Good morning. My name is Dana Hill and I live at 104 East Wana Street. Um I'm a part of the property that's proposed to be changed. Um I'm here in opposition to that happening. I echo what Mr. Rally said earlier um about the traffic. Uh we already have problems with traffic now. You add another parking lot to that area, it's going to be worse. I live there. And so like whenever they have like special events, it's horrible. My backyard, people walk through my backyard, they throw out trash. We have to clean up after the special events are over. Um it's hard to get to my house if I go somewhere because they've blocked off the part of Second Street that I can come through to turn on to Walnut Street. So that alley alleyway that you're talking about changing over to a pedestrian walkway or a one-way street, I have to use that sometimes to get into my onto my street. Um, so I do not want a parking lot in my backyard because I'm one of the homes that it will be in their backyard. Um, I enjoy being able to sit on my back porch and not have to hear the traffic on Walnut Street, but you're going to add more traffic if you put a parking lot back there. And then if you put medical offices there, that's going to be an increase in traffic. And if you've ever come down

Second Street on a weekday anytime in between 10:00 and 5 or 6, it's just congested. You know, I can go from the corner of Martin Luther King and second, that stop sign there, and sit there for five minutes to get to my house, which is on Walnut Street. Um, so I'm opposed to it. I'm opposed to the lighting that will have to happen, um, because of having a parking lot back there. I'm opposed to the traffic that it's going to bring. Um, I heard Miss Paycheck mention that like she wanted to put up maybe a medical office to bring primary care physicians back into downtown. Well, they were there in fact in the building that she was in. That's where Dr. Hendrickson, Dr. Riierre, and I don't know if Pimple was there at the time, but they were in that office, but they chose to move out um to where they are now. And so I where Danville Family Physicians is now um I would think that there would be other places that are already zoned commercial where the medical offices could go other than bringing it into a residential area. Um, so I'm asking you to deny the zoning change and keep it residential. When Miss Paycheck and Mr. Mothlin bought that property, it was zoned residential and and I know that's public knowledge,

so they knew that. So, I'm asking you to continue to preserve the integrity of our neighborhood and keep it residential. Thank you. Thank you.

Thomas Riley again, the house I own is 102 East Warner Street. Um, if you make that road one way, the lady that lives there goes through the alley in order to get to her driveway. Which way you going to make it one way? That she have to go through this way and then turn around and go back out the other way. Right now, she can come in off of Warner Street, driveways right there, and duck right in. She can come back out same way she went in. If you make it one way, what is she going to do? She There's no driveway off of Second Street,

off of um Warner Street. There's no driveway there. The driveway is out of the alley. So, if you change that, we got a problem. Okay. Thank you, sir. Thank you. Well, good morning.

My name is Enis Tilman. I'm speaking on head for First Baptist Church. I'm a trustee at my church and we are totally opposed to actually having this reszone and speaking in respect to the piece of property is not occupied by one of our church members and the noise that it would create. Putting up a basic fence would not solve the problem with the noise. So basically put had to put up what you call sound barriers to actually keep the noise out of the neighbors away from the neighbors rather and the lighting as spoken before. Uh and what other neighborhood is there a parking lot in somebody's backyard?

I don't think there's one here in Denver. So why we want to put one in over here where we talking about reszoning? So we are totally against this as far as using the parking space when there's needed for funerals. Our funerals are conducted through the week. We don't have funerals on the weekend and if the parking lot is occupied during the week, we can't use it anyway. So again, we're totally opposed to this zone change. Thank you, sir. to just add one more thing. When we talk about Come forward, please.

I I You're hard to hear otherwise. Sorry. Um when we talk about putting a parking lot up there, what's going to happen with the storm water drainage, where is it going to go? Is it going to come into my backyard and and create a problem for me? And I know that my neighbor on the on Green Street, they already had problems with water in their basement. Put a parking lot there. Where's that water going to go? Thank you.

Thank you for the public comment. Miss Gray, would you like to make further comment or answer questions from the commissioners? Um, do you all have any questions? At the moment, we don't have authority to make one way. No, no, no, no. It It's more of a suggestion. It's more of a direction that we should go into. When I talked to Josh about it, he didn't seem that he didn't he didn't make it seem like it was a bad idea, but it was a city engineer. Correct. And not this commission. Yes. Even the oneway the storm water that is all city that is all city issues that we can't we have no authority over. If they're going to develop in the parking lot, we'll see. We need a site plan for those categories anyway. Yeah. So that would be that important topic.

Absolutely. Be addressed at that point. And our our storm water management standards are such that postdevelopment the flow of water off the property cannot be increased from what it was pre-development. So that's that's a requirement the engineer is going to have to meet regarding storm water. But I do want to also state that I don't think either is inappropriate in inappropriate use. I think keeping it RM2 is appropriate given that it is surrounded by already residential and CB is not inappropriate due to the fact that it is in line with the comp plan in Flume. Um so that doesn't answer any questions.

Well, so in terms of the zoning, CB would still allow residences to be present in that zone, right? It's not because this it's a sensitive area. Yes. because of how it it it's the the interface between commercial properties on one side and residences on the other. Yes. And so how we manage that you know both the the CB would allow for residential use correct in that area. The residential would not allow for business use. Right. There's

the only thing the CB takes away is single family attached housing. It could still have single family detached or multifamily. Right. That's Yeah. But I will I would also recommend that we attach conditions to the zone change. Whatever you all think is appropriate. Yeah. We'll go through the circle. I'd like to hear your comments to them.

Um I was just going to say, you know, um our nonprofit agency sits right there as well. Um, you know, I'm there every day. It is a very narrow road and I don't know if it could be widened. I don't I don't know about that kind of stuff, but I do know that is not our intention in any way to do anything that's going to affect in a negative way the people that live that live around. Um, we don't want to, you know, light up the whole thing during the night so that people that's just not our intention. And our intention is to build something um that's going to be um win-win for everybody. That is just, you know, what we want um is something that goes along with the area. It is recommended to be commercial business, but like she said, that doesn't necessarily mean that that's what it has to be. Um you know, we have our vision of a long-term plan, but we certainly want to take into consideration the people that live that they're our neighbors because we're there. I'm there every day, you know, all the time. So,

um, and that's just not our intention to go in and and make a bunch of people who live around there unhappy. So, thank you very much. Sure. Yeah. So, I think it's time for us to talk about if we were to approve this, what conditions we would make upon the approval. Sally, Sally, your director, chairman, are we closing the public part of this hearing? Oh, yes. I'm sorry. I think that it's time for us to close and move out of the public hearing portion of this meeting for this discussion.

I asked a lot of questions, so I'll just give you my perspective from what I heard here because I think there the first street is an extremely narrow street. to do anything with it is an enormous complicated task to put a lot of traffic down the street beyond just the the local a small number of parking is going to be a problem to make the whole and u I'm not a really big fan of making that section behind the houses the large section anything other than a a residential style or but not a parking lot I'm just not a fan I don't think it's going to work we'll have issues on the ad categories Um,

any other comments from commissioners or questions?

I guess so. We had a lot of talk kind of in general about the traffic flow and parking spaces and whatnot, but no specifics around how many parking spaces, where they would be, how the ingress and egress would go. So, you know, it's one thing to have a parking lot. They pull in and then they pull say off of Walnut and then pull out back on on Walnut, but if it's having to go through the one way on on First Street or something like that or have a bunch of cars parked in people's backyards essentially that kind of different um different animals, I guess. and we want to so I'd like to see more information about that because I I understand the residents complaints but we don't have very much specifics to say how's it going to look where's it going to be right

well we are aware that the site plan if we get to that point if it was allowed to be done you would see a lot of those details it's one of those at this point if it can happen it might happen that's kind of where we're at and we're being asked to change zoning to a category and CB commercial business that allows that to happen is what we're being asked to do, right?

So, we could even break in my mind, we could break sections of this property into different categories of zoning. You know, we having a a CB on the other street, the Martin Luther King is not a whole lot different than some of the other streets, but their access would be from Martin Luther King, not from the first street. That would be not be the intention to have traffic in that area. It is a congested area. There's no doubt that area is really for arrangements and right

parking is problem for all sorts of events whether it's over at Constitution Square or virtually anything downtown. You tend to get a lot of cars parking on the streets there.

Um I don't know that we're in the position to make it different on that category at this point in time. I mean, it to me it seems that the the request is consistent with what we've been talking about in that area and the neighborhood and um kind of the the way this merges commercial and residential use right at the core downtown is really one of the key issues that we want to see happen in in the comp plan. I I would think that the conditions we might want to talk about would would have to do with having some discussion with the neighbors and coming back with a site plan that reflects their concerns so that so that it does become the win-win that you talked about it we we I don't think as commission necessarily need to be in the middle of those discussions. I' I'd really suggest that those discussions happen between you and the neighbors so that that would be something coming back to us. Um, you know, address as many concerns as we can. And you're right, planning and zoning meetings like this and public hearings is a time to to voice all these concerns or to take a shot at them,

see if we go, but and it's still it's possible that the neighbors still aren't happy at the end of that and they still can come back and we'll still hear that again in terms of a site plan. So you're not looking so much as a site plan as for the parties to sit down and come up with a list of restrictions. Yeah. That make it more acceptable to both parties. Yes. And those restrictions would be brought forth along with the request of zone change. Okay. Now they

I mean we would essentially table it now. I'm just talking. I don't really know, Henry, but we would table it now and ask the two parties to get together to see if they could come up with a list of restrictions that that would be more acceptable to both parties.

I think you're right, Mr. May. Miss Paycheck, we'll let you weigh in on this procedurally. But um if we were to just approve it and say work out details on a site plan, the problem with that is if the site plan came back and it met our development standards, regardless if it satisfies neighbor concerns, if it's technically correct, we have to approve it. So, um if there's anything that we want tweaked beyond what's in the ordinance for development standards, that the time to do that is now. And and director you you said that to to do anything with the road and streets is not our category. The change of directions went away that has to have its own

right there is the discussion about restrictions would have to be limited to the the property and its use landscaping fencing lighting all of the things that have been mentioned here. The traffic is not something we could do with. That's right. The the the odd the rectangle that's in the center of the block when it's adjacent to residential on the majority of the sides is always going to be a concern. That transition.

Exactly. Other questions, comments? I would like to say one thing if you could step up. Sorry to the mic. You have to come. You have Sorry. To make sure we hear for the record because we're on recording.

Okay, that's fine. We're So, we're asking for it to be reszoned commercial business. Um, and then yes, we we can definitely come back with restrictions and a site plan and all of that, but it seems like we can't move forward with creating a site plan on a piece of land that is not yet the zone that that we are asking for. Um,

but one suggestion I think that Sam alluded to is perhaps you just look for the zone change upon the piece of property that fronts Martin Luther King and leave the back strip that backs up to the property's residential. We can you might come forward with a request for his own change on just the part of the property that faces. Okay. Can is and is that possible to divide to divide it up like that? I don't know. Okay. Since your your handout that you presented has it broken down into defined regions,

I think and we've incorporated it in this meeting, we can use that as a guideline on defining and that would be okay, too. So, you're um going to then ask for a zone change. You're acceptable to ask for a zone change for only a portion of what you asked for previously. It's possible. Yeah, I think it's I think it's very possible. Matter of fact, we've done characteristics of that at times before.

I'm looking out at the discussion that's going on with Mr. Weise. Um, I'm just saying in this, you know, in the Sorry. Will you step up? You could both stand up there. That's fine. Are you Are you saying that we could table table the discussion of the zone change for track 18 and then go on with recommending the zone change to commercial business for the two for the two tracks that are on that are fronting the road? Is that what you are asking if that can we do that? If that's what you

and table the conversation for zone for track 18. I think the suggestion was to only accept not table anything only accept the zone change on the bottom half closest to East Martin Luther King and deny the uh zone change on the track 18. Now tableabling it has timing implications in a lot of ways. For example, our November December combination next meeting is not the the fourth Thursday in November. It's been combined for early December. So, we've delayed it in the calendar clock time.

Yeah. and and and so that delay is something that can't could affect what you're doing just because the next time we meet to discuss this would be at that point or it falls into January time frame and now we're getting into intervals of time making sure that we meet a comfortable time frame response of some sort. So you see where we're standing tableabling it means we're not going to do anything to to put it differently. We would be approving the zone change for whatever confined land we're talking about today and then for the rest of it that would be a separate application later. I that would be a better better way to do that

and after you get together with the surrounding neighbors to accommodate their concerns I guess. Okay. Are we and director. Let me Terry is right on what I was trying to head to is the ones that are adjacent to the street, the major thoroughare street on the south side. Those two ones could be commercial business and I was leaving the rest of it as is. Yes, that's what I was thinking as well. Yes. So, are we at a place where we can make that? I believe so. I believe so. I'll let I'll leave it up to the legal.

Are the lots of zone not zoned that way but divided that way now or or not? Well, we saw the track map that was just they're not subdivided. I don't think it's that subdivided that way. I think the engineer has to do somebody. Yeah, that was me. The engineer has to do something. We got to get a flat. So, is it is it within our purview to reszone parts of a lot, Henry? I think I think it's novel for us. I'm looking through our zoning ordinance right now. I don't see anything that prohibits creating new split zoning. You might think about the wisdom of doing that for future users. But

or we could consider tableabling it until we do more research. That is always the option. Um because it's within the 90 days. Our next meeting is December 10th. It's within the 90 days. Yeah. If it's within the time frame. I think that you're right. Yeah, I'll step back and say table so it gets clear on the paperwork flow. That that's an easier option for us. And then the application could be for actually subdividing that parcel. Well, let's Yes, and I agree. Let's see if that's exact interest for them. For for our regulations, it would be simpler if we subdivided the parcel and then approved his own change only in one. That's great. And that would send it through I mean tech review like that would send it through a whole other process.

Okay. Um I think that we're at a place where we're going to have to make a decision if we're going to approve, not approve, or table to allow for additional time to reflect on what change we might want to make with this zoning request. So, do you want me to explain to them that these are separate lots and redefine the zone change areas? So, I'm Kendall Wise. I surveyed the property and created the zone change plat to define the area of the zone change. And so the question came up that

the question was asked are these separate tracks and can we regardless we one property could have separate zones on one property but to answer your question they are they're three separate properties and so what Mr. paycheck is is going to ask you to reconsider would be that this application, this zone change request applies only to lot number 10 and lot number 11, which are the two smaller lots with front of John Martin Luther King. And at a later date, we'll just make a separate application with a better a more well- definfined plan for what would happen on the larger track that's in the middle in between the residential properties. Mhm.

But I do want to point out that even on PVA and our website, they're not combined into separate parcels. They're not they do not have separate parcel numbers. So I don't think they are subdivided yet. It's the L-shaped lot that you all have in your um packet. They're separate. They're separate tracks of land. They're platted that way regardless of what the PVA office has. Uh okay. Somebody's the final word there. We not me. Thank you very much. Thank you. We need to move on. Yeah. Let's make a decision as to what we're going to do. And somebody needs to make a motion as to what direction we're going to go. You want to or

want me to give a shot at this? Either way, go. I'd like to make a motion that we modify the org agree with the modifications based upon the discussion we've had with here such that we're only looking at those on the Martin Luther King that have in direct contact with Martin Luther King which are in essence two lots and allow them to become CB category. The remaining request of property which is another segment remains in its original uh zoning category. Now, do I need any other conditions, Henry, that you can tell?

That's that's up to the commission whether we wanted to talk about uh what your director suggested about fencing. Um any discussion of lighting. I heard a concern raised about building height restriction. Those might be things that we want to settle in a motion right now. I I know we're talking about a parking lot, but yeah, I think the lighting and fencing would be not required. restrictions given that we're maintaining the property there is still residential is still RM do need do we need to open it back still for public comment since we're changing the parameters

they have spoken to the property as a whole we're reducing the scope of it you could open it up to the public's reaction it's a fair question I'm not sure I heard any real concerns on the ones that were in direct contact That's what I'm and we'd have to open it back up just to ask the question. It would be a reasonable statement. Okay. So, we're going to go back into uh public session for any comments in regards to that modification of the request. I know, sir. Mr. Riley, you would probably have Thanks for thanks for bearing with us.

Listen to you guys right now. I don't think you're ready to make a zone change, period. I think it needs to be tabled and figure out what's going on before you jump and put the cart in front of the horse. Uh don't do something, then you have to come back and regret it later on. Uh there are several things can be done with that piece of property back there. Um urban renewal came in in 75 and they divided it up. That lot that little lot 18 should not even be there. Originally the roads from um Martin Luther King over there on Warner Street probably been right to the middle.

That's what it's supposed to been back in 75. But somebody decided that that too much property for them. So the city of Danville in their wise wisdom put a lot in there 18. It's 97 feet wide and they screwed everything at that particular time. Um there are several things can be done if you could take those roads and put it back in the middle of those two streets. Uh those individuals that live behind on both the sides on lot 18 could go ahead and purchase what's behind their house increasing the size of lots 10 and 11 by 46 and a half 46 47 ft. You could do that and then they could go ahead and build their bu buildings there. They could have a parking place in the back and eliminate the whole problem. They will still have what they need. They will still get some money from what they pay for the lot from individual people from those five individual people's own property there. It's a win-win. So the zone change right now is not ready. It hasn't been cooked yet.

No. And and we've been talking the topic a long time. If you're done, I see Mark would like to make a comment.

Mark Mark Morgan, Danville resident. Um I have a point of order that it's this is a public section of part of the uh meeting and we appreciate that. This this commission has done a good job on public involvement but um having neither a projected image nor a handout um puts the public at a disadvantage at this point. So I think that making a um decision at this time is premature because it does exclude the public effectively. Thank you.

Thank you. So we have a motion I believe on the table. I would like to withdraw my motion, please. Thank you. I'd like I'd make like make a motion to table it.

Okay. Thank you. Can I get a second for that motion? and and to explain right what what what we want to do in that context would be to come back with a proposal that reflects the discussion that happened here this morning that the commission is probably maybe amendable to the resoning of the Martin Luther King facing properties. We need to see something else with the property behind in and the clarity on on those two properties is what you're talking about and and to have some conversation with the with the neighbors as well as find something that does meet the win-win for for everybody here.

Yeah. Thank you. So we have a motion and a second. Uh further any further discussion? If not, all those in favor of the motion to table, please say yes or raise your hand. Yes. Approved. Thank the audience. Thank you. Thank you everyone for your time with that. Uh I believe we have another item that is in public hearing. Yes. And um that is the Robert Scott and Kathy Hang U property. Uh would you like to

Yes. introduce that to us?

Yes. And I am sorry about the PowerPoint. I did I did forget to add those pictures to these two zone changes. Um so this zone change um Robert Scott and Kathy Hanks have applied for a zoning map amendment from single family res or single family residential R1A to agriculture on a 72 acre parcel um at 1545 Wells Landing Road out in Danville. Um all of these pictures are in your uh staff report as well. And so a little history of this zone change. It was changed from a from A1 to R1 back in um 1986 and it never got uh developed into single family lots. So it has pretty much been agriculture since '86 but never developed into those single family homes. Um and I even think in our current ordinances now if you don't use the zone change after 5 years it reverts back or something like that. So in in ' 86 that ordinance wasn't in place but if it happened now it would have reverted back to a um so I have kind of similar concerns about this one as well um the use is going towards agra tourism um but kind of the same concerns with the fact that there is about 50 to 75 residents behind the entryway on the access point to Wells Landing Road. Um, so the zone change from single family to a is in line with the comp plan both 2018 and 2025. But again, I do have concerns about access points because there are so many residents behind that only entry point. Um, and again, all of these pictures are in your staff report. Um, but that was my only concern was making sure that residents weren't further

um, burdened. Any questions from the commission for Miss Gray? Who would like to speak in regards to this? May I pass these out? Sure. Yes. What What are they?

So, we are in public hearing. Others will need to be able to have access to what you're passing out. You may take mine. Sure. Here you can use this one. Okay. Please. Thank you, sir. Thank you very much. Please state your name and address.

My name is Robert Hanks. Uh this is in reference to property 1545 Wells Lane Road here in Danville. And uh no need to move the microphone or yourself closer to Okay. Is that better, ma'am? That's great.

Okay. Uh just thought you'd give you a little background on kind of what my intentions and the design for the property. Uh just briefly about me. I was born in Danville. I left the area when I was 17 to become a chemical engineer. Uh I've worked 38 years in refining for Ashlin in Marathon. And my claim to fame, if there ever was one, is I completed a $ 1.4 billion project. It was the largest sustainable diesel plant in the United States. I did that along the West Coast. I had 4,000 people reporting to me. It's the biggest thing I've ever been involved with. I perhaps due to that project I had a stroke in 2022, a major stroke and had a hard time walking and had a hard time riding a bicycle. But my therapist said, "Set big goals. Come on." And so I decided I was going to bike across the country. I lived in California at the time and I was going to bike across the country and raise money for Big Brothers Big Sisters in the mountain region. So I put my back tire in the Pacific Ocean at Santa Monica Pier and started heading this way. And I actually biked through Danville, uh, my hometown on the route, Route 76, which, you know, goes through Harrisburg, but I took the detour and I came through Danville. And on that detour, I decided I wanted to move back to Danville, Kentucky

and leave California and retire and buy buy a farm and develop a boutique bourbon business. Um, so with that in mind, I graduated from the UK distiller certificate program in 2025. Now, slide three. My farm is 130 acres along Wills Landing Road. I currently raise beef, cattle, horses, and wine grapes. My goal is to be a model of sustainability for Kentucky. I have 13 KVA solar. I have 100% rainwater capture on one of my barns. And my plans in 2026 is to grow enough sunflowers that I can convert the oil to diesel fuel and pro power all my tractors. That's kind of my dream. Now, further along the dream is, I want to construct a very small craft distillery, one still inside of a barn. It's it's a it's kind of like a Burger King of bourbon. In other words, have it your way. You pick the mash bill, you pick the storage time, and I take care of the rest. I'll grow the grains on site, make the bourbon, and store the uh the barreled product on site. Now, just to give you context, this is a tiny place. This is like moonshiners on Discovery Channel. It's about a half a barrel a day. And note that Wilderness Trail is about 200 barrels a day. So I'm they're about 400 times my size. So this is tiny. I'm entirely self- financed using my limited retirement savings. Although I'm not eating baloney yet, I'm doing okay. Uh I have my capital purchases are pending. However, I've recently completed a barn with which has other intentions. I have zero intentions to create a bar. Perhaps in four years I might consider a tasting room but that that has yet to be decided. Uh I have I have no immediate intentions to have tours again perhaps in four years but nothing now. Now as she had mentioned about the traffic. So I don't anticipate much

additional traffic. You know based on my economics if I have one customer to make a barrel every two days uh that suffices the economics to support the facility believe it or not. And I have I'm very rigorous on this. So, you know, I'm saying maybe one additional car every two days. And with the grains grown on site, there's not going to be traffic, truck traffic to bring in grains. Uh construction is in house, which will be done by me and my sons. So, we're not going to have construction traffic down the road. The nearest home is 400 feet from the steel site or 400 yards, excuse me. And I won't be trucking off any of the stage waste. I have cows on my property that I plan to feed with the whole stillage produced by the site and again there are no storm water impacts. Wayne water capture is on the site and I capture 100%. Uh just some of the things that I would be willing to do for the county or for the city is I've always wanted to like see if the farm could be used for like a fall arts and crafts fair or a fall festival for the county. I'd be willing to to allow my farm to be used for that. I'm also willing to work with the local schools on farm or or engineering education. You know, uh when I was a kid, there was a there was a teacher, his name was Don Hoffman at Dan at Damo High School, and he inspired me to be an engineer, and I would like to continue that.

So, I'm willing to work with the the local schools, you know, have tours to to talk about engineering or farming. And plan B, assuming that you guys would not approve it, is I will head down the route of a winery. I have about 80 grape vines on site and I will be adding 200 in the next few months. And just just one other thing to note is the still even in Kentucky, even though this is very small and private, it is still regulated by the TTB, the alcohol, tobacco, and tax bureau. So it it they still have privacy over the site or over the uh the operation. And that's all I have. Thank you, sir. Do any commissioners have any questions for this gentleman?

Thank you. Thank you very much. Is there anybody else who would like to speak to this u zone change request?

Hearing none. Does does the change to a allow for the growth of the distillery business or does is that the question is just is going to the proper zone change for we're just discussing zone change at this at this time. So we're only we're not discussing the development plan at all. Um but it allows for agurism. So sorry a the egg district agurism then. Okay. Okay. So it would still suffice. And that's an acceptable use in the egg. Yes. Zone. Yeah. But not in the single family zone. All right. I just wanted to make sure it was we didn't change it and then put him in a situation where he had to come back and request something else.

I don't believe he has to come back for anything. Mhm. Good. That was my question as well. Any other questions or comments by the commissioner? Anything further from Miss Gray? Nothing. Nothing for me. I guess we're ready then for a motion. I just wanted to make one note on this last question. It looks to me like there might be a conditional use permit required for craft facility. Okay. So maybe you'll have to go to the BOA, but that would be step. And yeah, that does not have to be addressed now, right?

So I would like to move to approve the zone change as proposed in front of us. um zoning back to a can I get a second? Thank you. All those in favor. Madam Chair, if we might have just one or two justifications about this that it's in conformity with the comp plan. I'm sorry. Close. Yes, please go ahead. Consistent with the future land use map, consistent with our stated goals and objectives. It's consistent with the um um comp plan and what both the current and the proposed comp plan. There's support in the comp plan for aggra business. It conforms with the surroundings.

Yes, please add if if you would please add that language, I'll modify the motion to include that. Thank you, Henry. Thank you, Henry. All those in favor? Thank you. That is approved. Okay. Further comments? Let's see. Further topic under public hearings is the comp plan. Yes, Miss Gray, would you like to lead us off with that?

Yes. Um, so the 2025 Danville County comp plan was introduced in the August meeting, was open for public comment from August, the end of August up until September 17th. Um, then at the September meeting, we allowed for more public comment and we made three amendments, I believe, and those amendments were made and are um available on the online version. Um, and then I also added per Henry's suggestion two three additional maps. Um, one for collector streets and one for city streets and additionally worked with Josh the city engineer to get an updated city streets proposed kind of expansion. Um, so those three maps are added in addition to the amendments we put on in the September meeting. Um, but it is ready for adoption

and that that revised comp plan is actually electronically available. Yes. Yes. So this is the most updated version, but with those amendments that we made um from Mark Morgan and Melanie Thornberry, those are available on the online version. And so as we are as we are in public session and this would be our time for further public comments about the comprehensive plan. Would anyone like to make further comments? I know we've had the opportunity, but I Want to make sure.

Okay. Uh comments from the commissioners. Just the question. We tabled this at our last meeting with the expressed thing to advertise for comments from other organizations and adjacent planning and those were sent out as well. Yes. Okay. Have we received anything? No, we haven't received anything and it was also brought to my attention that we will send out notices of adoption after it is adopted today as well to the surrounding counties and the RPC. Um, so those two things are done and we have so I just I think somewhere if in in our records today we should record that we did advertise and we got no response.

Yes. No response, no comments or anything from surrounding counties or the RPC. And and since we tabled it, did we officially untable it or just bring it back? Did we vote on it? I think we have to untab it and then move for adoption. Yeah. Okay. Can I move to unt the discussion of the comp plan? Okay. Second. All those in favor of that. Now, are we ready for a motion to approve? I'll make a motion we approve the comp plan as reflected on the current online version. Can I have a second?

Second. All those in favor, please say yes or raise your hand. Thank you. I just feel like I need to say that many people have worked on this to make it uh an updated comprehensive plan, future land use, and the involvement of the public. I'm very proud of the involvement of the public in this activity. So, thank you to those who were spent lots of time uh working on this conference. All right. So, then let's see the next thing on our agenda is consider the commission will consider a zoning ordinance text amendment. And I am going to leave this now with

yes Henry or Mr. Henry and Miss Gray. Yes, we are so close. No, we are so close to being done, guys. I promise. It's all right. We'll take the time we need.

So, yes, we are um up for uh considering a zoning ordinance tax amendment to increase the minimum lot size in the agricultural zone from 50,000 square feet to 217,800 ft um by amending 4.3.5 and that is just one acre to 5 acres. We had brought this up in the advisory committee. So, we had talked about this I believe two months ago. Um and there is a couple adjustments on this. So I we are adjusting uh the minimum lot size from 50,000 to 217,000 roughly and then adding setback line to the lot width and then adding the lot frontage um adjusting it to 100 ft to the intent is to um decrease the flag lots in the agriculture zone. Um so that is what we are considering today. Can you talk a little bit about the justification for this change?

I think the justification is the um comp plan that we just adopted. So the intention is to densify the city limits and keep agriculture agriculture protect the infrastructure that is out there um and you know ensure that the utilities are I mean right now we're having an issue with Parksville not signing off on some things because they're at capacity. Um, so issues like that I think this solves. And also in your packets I've included the amendments, but I've also included a KRS statute um to talk about this because per KRS the A um zone is 5 acres. So I I think this kind of does several things, but I think the intention is to abide by the comp plan that we just adopted.

All right. I I just I know I went back and found the same thing you did that the state regulations is five. Yeah. This county went to to one, right? Yes. And they're allowed to do that. Yes. So, we're not you're not reflecting that that that it we did something wrong. No, no, not at all. No, not at all. It would just um that is already at the state level. And I tried to look at the history of when it went back to one acre, but even Lisa said it was before her time. So, um, it's been very it's been an extremely long time. Yeah. So, because even when I moved in in ' 84, it was already done. But I think we now are having utility issues where again like Parksville won't sign off on stuff because they're at capacity for the water. So, um,

so is this not something that was requested by the county? Yes, it was requested by the county on my first day. So, it was requested since I've been here and this has been in discussions for four months. Um, so it's requested by city and county. So well it in perspective here this is quite a change going back to a larger one

and the first feeling I have is what about the things we're doing in between what about things have been doing out there thinking about doing and when is is the transition of this thing based upon the vote that we're suggesting to do today effective tomorrow that it would be five acres. No, I believe we'd have to go to Boil County Fiscal Court and Danville City Commission to get approval from both of those bodies before it's actually approved. Yes. I want to make sure that you said that out loud so that so we're not confused here. There's we're not the final say at all recommending it. We're recommending a a change to our ordinance which has to go to the legislative body. Yes.

Correct. in that category. Uh when we go to the five acres, does that preclude the R1 just residential single family dwelling from being existing there or is it called RR category? No. Uh there is no RR category. I believe there that was replaced. Exactly. Yeah, that was but that's what that ends up being. I mean anybody in the county can do a zone change, but this is just for the agricultural zoning district. So, and a residence is allowed in the egg zone. Yeah.

Yes, they are allowed in the egg zone. Um, let me see. I hadn't I got lost in the way the paperwork, you know, when you start reading regulation, you start looking at numbers, it takes a little while to come back and perspectively set on there. So those people applicants that have converted over to um they have a they have plats or where where do we where does people that have applied they haven't built a house yet and they have submitted a plat they can continue to do the oneacre

in my opinion yes because you know that was a different text amendment and if we approve this today it's not it's not approved until there's other the two other bodies approve it as well I mean so they that pre it's not like it would retroactively change things that are already. Okay. And so if for some reason they never build on the property because there's a time limit for building on that, would it then fall into five acres? No. I think it's appropriate to build on the one acre that is already subdivided because that was a subdivision.

We're not forcing lots to become bypassed. I I just I want to state it out loud so there's no surprises on it here. Well, and and it is consistent with what we're our objectives in the comp plan to try to encourage construction inside the urban service boundaries and not outside and and limiting density and you u director I you you I missed it. You know how I was listening here. The reason that we're going to five acres is because the state got said that that

No, no, not at all. No, this is a suggestion from the county and the city and the advisory committee. We've had this discussion um just to again densify the city limits and stay inside of those city limits and incentivize people to develop inside and not you know split up acorage and like create subdivisions within the aggregate district. I think that's one thing that I've seen so far since being here is just you know giving one acres it allows for faux subdivisions that were not I mean it's just well you could have a subdivision though under this category they just have to have five acre lots right that's what it says it can still be a subdivision right just a higher minimum

Mr. Collier, with regard to the state statute, Miss Gray is right to bring it to your attention, but it brings up the distinction between agriculture zone development standards, which is what we're changing today, and what the statute describes as an agricultural use. And you can have agricultural zone property that doesn't have a statutory agricultural use. And I appreciate you stating that out loud because again terminology here. It's part of that when you weave yourself down, it's not as broad scoping as what could be concern could could be a concern. I just want to make sure that we're in that same feeling. Talking through the words are very care very carefully set up and therefore a good purpose and a good reasoning. Now you did the you did the lot width and the lot frontage. I appreciate you picking those up. I thought that was something that might make sense to do.

I don't recall any other area category in this in the standard that probably should be better should be done. No, I I think again in doing in changing the lot width and frontage, it it just creates more uniformity and kind of cancels out the flag lots that we see. Um so that was my intention. This is in public session. Do we ask for any public comment at this time about this change this zoning ordinance amendment? Would anybody like to speak in favor or opposition to it?

Mark Morgan, Danble resident. Um, I appreciate this, but I I think this is an extremely important change, this amendment. Um, we have lived in and owned property in Forkland since 1981, and the character of that unique part of our county will be improved by this and preserved by this. So, we strongly support it. Thank you. Is there anyone else who would like to speak in regards to

if not are there any other comments or questions? I would like one other comment I discovered and I apologize I before we got it doesn't impact the conversation on here. Um, should I be any concerns that by requiring a 5 acre is there a chance that I'm also driving somebody to not move into the county? That's what we're trying to not do and not move in anywhere including cities Danville or Parville Junction City just because it's I got to buy five acres now in the agricultural zone. That's only your cultural just I don't think we can make that determination based off this.

I don't think we can make the determination but All right. Any other questions or comments about this zoning ordinance text? If not, I'm ready for a motion. I'd like to move to approve the uh zoning ordinance text amendment to increase the minimum lot size um from 1 acre to 5 acre and amending section 4.3.5. I'll second

Mr. No, would you like to state a brief justification for this amendment? This this brings us consistent with state regulations and returns our um lot size back to where we were previously in the past. Um also consistent with the objectives of the comp plan. I'll second. Thank you. All those in favor, please raise your hand or say yes. Yes. Um I no vote. I'm sorry. I'm no vote.

Can we see those hands again? Yeah. What was that? Can we get a count? No call vote. Yeah. Call for the nose. Call for the three. Yeah. So, passes. So, in that case, do I vote? Uh, can we see the yes votes again? It's not tied. It's not a tie vote. It's not a tie vote. It's not a tie vote. You don't have to vote. All right. Thank you. Thank you. I haven't had this. Okay. So, so it passes. Okay. Thank you very much. Thank you. The yeses were four. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Sorry. Yeses were four.

Okay. Yes. No for three. Thank you. I appreciate it. with the chair not voting. Okay. Okay. Perfect. Well, it passes with four to three. Yes. To one. All right. So, the next is a proposed update to the subdivision regulations.

Yes. This is the final one, I promise. Um, so, so this is an amendment to the subdivision regulations. Um I am just adding or I'm proposing to add the sentence all utilities comma including communication and electrical systems shall be placed underground certain senses sorry uh to these systems may be accepted um and that's just kind of so I this amendment started with the development on Bofman A they are they elected to do above ground uh electric poles um in a new development and there was no regulation mandating ating that they do underground electric. Um, we were told it's a sourcing issue, but I think this requires this. I think for new development, this is a good step in the right direction in requiring underground electric poles. Um, so I think that that's where this came from.

And what you're saying then, if somebody really really really wants to have poles, they're going to have to come in for a variance. Absolutely. Yes. And it is it that is why I say may be accepted. um because if it is a restriction to the subdivision or if it's a reasonable request due to sourcing, I think we can allow for that. But I think um that should be a requirement um not an exception. Did you get any information from directly from the utilities? Yes. U not directly from the utilities, but in tech review we had talked about it being a sourcing issue that they couldn't get transformers. Um Kentucky utilities or inner county energy? No, I I have not gotten any. Okay. So we didn't get a document from there.

No, but I mean we just want we me and Josh had discussed requiring new development be underground because I really like your addition to the last sentence there in part D. Yes. And there we we tried to find something else in the subregs to mandate that they have underground electric, but it's it's all recommendations or it's it's it would be nice if it was underground, but it's not a mandate. And and I believe it's it's what you're saying is everything in the subdivision, not just from the pole in the backyard to your house.

Correct. Yes. Electric and communication systems. As we are in public session, any comments in regards to this proposed update, Kendall Wise from Vantage Engineering, I can just see some uh some issues getting into a subdivision because a lot of the a lot of the utilities are overhead along highways and so obviously existing utilities would be grandfathered into a neighborhood that was created under them. Um,

but too often a utility line and electric overhead electric might be on the other side of the roadway and it's just not feasible in a lot of cases to bore under a highway bring underground electric onto a site. So you would have a certain amount of overhead that has that would you know the common sense thing even if you wanted an underground electric system in your subdivision you would still probably bring that overhead across the street overhead to a pole which would be on your property. So I mean technically you're saying there's you know you can't create any new overhead. I mean there's just some little hiccups like that. I don't know how lenient the rules

that's where I got into maybe accepted great rules you have to enforce them. So just throwing that out there. Thank you. Anyone else would like to comment about this? Yes, madam chair. I I just with regard to the sense of the second sentence talking about those and creating some wiggle room. I wonder if the last word and I talked to the director about this might be changed from accepted to accepted exceeded d. And that would refer to the process that we use for that sidewalk this morning granting an exception. So it's my suggestion

that would like that automatically defines it. We're making an exception. Yes. Comments or questions from commissioner? It's uh if we get into the situation of the in what our in our speaker was talking about director are you in a position to make a decision that meets the criterias? I believe so and especially I think changing the word from accepted to exceptions. Um I mean I I'm understanding you know that's fine. So, are we ready to have a motion then?

I' I'd like to make a motion we accept the wording as presented. Is there any other amended by as a change? Yeah. With the word the last word changing, excuse me. Yeah. Ex the AC to an ex category. Can I have a second? Thank you. All those in favor, please raise your hand or say yes. Yes. Thank you. It's approved. New business. Do we have new business from the advisory committee? Nothing today. Personnel committee. Other new business.

That was that was a lot of business today. So, I think we're good. Do you announce today? Do you want to announce the meeting times? Oh, yes. So, we do um have we combined last meeting we approved to combine the November and December meeting to accommodate Thanksgiving and Christmas schedules. So, our new meeting for those two months will be December 10th at 9:00 a.m. And the tech meeting moves to a different time.

Yes. Uh I don't have that in front of me but yes the tech review meeting is moved to one second to November 26th and I will send out all those updated dates as uh including deadline to file tech review and all those all November 26th. Any other new announcements? Nope. Would anybody like to make a motion to adjurnn? Thank you, Rita. Second. All those in favor say yes. Yes. Yes. And thank