Planning Board - Regular Meeting

We don't really need them. That's our gavl. Good morning everybody and welcome to the Nags Head Planning Board meeting Tuesday, May 20th. Um, Mr. Elder will not be able to be with us today. And of course, everybody got Christy Midget's email and so we appreciate her many years of loyal service and we'll miss her and um the BOC I'm sure will get to work replacing her in the next few months. So, moving on to our first order of business, which is to approve our agenda for the day. Move. I have a motion to approve and a second. All in favor? I I don't see anyone in the audience that wants to speak to us today. So, we'll move past public comment and on to um approval of our minutes from the April 15th meeting. So, move. I have a motion to approve the minutes as submitted. Second and a second. All in favor? I. Great. Moving on then to our action item. Madam Chair, I do have one comment about the minutes. Okay. Macy White was referenced as working for Village Realy and she works for uh Seaside Realy Management. Oh, gotcha. Okay, that was the only correction. Understood. Great. That's perfect. Yeah, because they do all the the um associations now, right? All the the in the village. Yes. Okay, great. Thank you, me. You're welcome. Going over them. And Lily, thank you for making that change at your convenience. Okay, now we'll move on to action item consideration of the site plan amendment by the town of Nags Head for the

redevelopment of the existing employee wellness facility. Okay. Good morning, Kelly. Good morning. Thank you, everyone. Um, I'll go through this pretty quickly. I think after dealing with the reszoning request and the text amendment, you're pretty familiar with what's happening. Um, but town engineer David Ryan has done a um a site plan. Actually, the whole packet uh you received with the demo plan, um site plan, etc. But I'll go ahead and put the site plan on the screen so we can have that while I go through this. Obviously, the town is the applicant on this and it's going to be a site plan amendment for construction of a twotory 3,200 foot employee wellness facility with two residential workforce housing units above um and all the site improvements that go along with it. Consideration of the request is contingent upon the approval of the resoning from R3 to SPDC institutional as we've discussed in the past. Um what's most uh notable in this scenario is that all of our properties to the south um are zoned R3 as well. So you'll notice in your packet uh there's a requirement for a 10- foot wide transitional protective yard in this area. Um which you'll see on this plan here that has been shown. There's an existing uh block building slab here, which is going to prevent the continuation of that 10 foot wide landscape buffer. But I have a feeling the people behind there would probably rather have that block building adjacent. Um, moving along, as far as flood zone, um, the property is in an X flood zone, but we do have a local elevation

standard of nine. So, as you can see on this plan, um the fitness facility and housing will be elevated to 10 feet. Therefore, it's above that 9 foot RFP, so it's compliant. Um the 2017 comp plan and the future land use plan classify the property as institutional community service. So, obviously, this is going to be consistent with that. um section 9.36 which is where we have our table of uses and activities that identifies municipal building uh fire station police station admin office and as you recall most recently the county EMS station as permitted use within the village institutional district. So again as long as that reszoning is approved this should not be problematic at all. Um and beyond that it is just redevelopment of an existing facility. Um lot coverage here the UDO establishes maximum impervious for village institutional as 70% with a minimum landscaped area of 30%. Um existing lot coverage on the site which we're talking about the entire site not only the south side but the north side as well um is 44.12% and actually redevelopment and the use of turfstone parking lot coverage goes down just a slight bit um down to 44%. So it would be compliant either way. Um but it's great that we actually reduced coverage a little bit. For height, you can go to 35 ft. Uh you can go to 42 with an 812 roof pitch. This building has a 1012 pitch and it's coming in at about 34 feet. So it's obviously compliant with that. um architectural design standards. We went with the residential design for this. Um so for commercial buildings, you have to have 150 residential architectural

design points for compliance. And um this building as proposed has at least 155 if not more. Um and that's achieved through primarily the first floor porch. There's also small second floor porch as well. Um but I think only included the first four in my calculations. Uh dormers, 812 roof pitch, uh wood shingles, as well as some simulated siding uh shingles as well. And then other architectural details such as um residential style windows uh and rafter tails and column trim. Uh with regard to parking, um there isn't a parking standard for fitness facility as an accessory use, which this is, but we applied indoor gymnasium fitness facility as a principal use. Um and for that there was going to be 11 spaces required. Um understanding that this will be workforce housing. um and potentially even lifeguard housing as well. We wanted to make sure that it was parked at one parking space per bedroom. So, there's going to be eight bedrooms in these um units above. So, we wanted to make sure that we had eight parking spaces. Um so, that's going to require 19 parking spaces. So, we don't have 19 spaces right here. You can see that. Uh but we did an analysis of the entire town hall facility. Um, and the entire town hall facility requires 76 spaces. Um, but what we have is 86. So, there's going to be adequate um, I guess if we ever get maxed out, there might be uh, some lifeguards having to park just over the way a little bit, but there's adequate parking for the whole site in general. Um, we talked about buffering and landscaping that 10 foot wide uh, transitional protective yard along the

rear. um that's shown and that's compliant. We'll just need to see a more detailed landscape plan with what type um of plantings are going to make up those two rows. Um interior park parking lot landscaping. Uh we require 10% of the total area of the parking spaces. So we need about 320 square feet of vegetation and um there's a lot more um than that. So you can see um you can my cursor. Uh but through here, uh these are just little pockets of landscape areas right around the building. But then we also have these large landscape beds that have been proposed as well as keeping all the existing natural vegetation around that we possibly can, which moves on to the next criteria. It states that you can preserve 10% or plant 15% of the landscaping. Um all total based upon the very narrow scope of the 95% of the existing mature vegetation in this area will be retained. So, it's compliant with that regard as well. No lighting is being proposed at this time. If and when it's proposed, they'll have to submit a lighting plan, phototrics, fixture, all of that. Go through that approval and have a light audit. Um, no signage is being requested at this time. Um, as far as wastewater, so that's in process. Uh, that's over with Dair County Health Department. reviewed. Now, um we anticipate having that soon, if not prior to the BOC because this is it's not a conditional use. We don't have that extra month. If we don't have that before BOC, we'll certainly make that a requirement before we issue any type of building permits or zoning permits. Obviously, it won't move forward without that. Um traffic circulation, um that was obviously designed by our town engineers, so it's clearly compliant

with um all of their rules. storm water management. Um there's a provision in our storm water management ordinance you're probably familiar with because it's come up several times which basically states that if you don't have a net increase in lot coverage and you're not importing any fill um that you don't have to uh manage any storm water. So that's going to be the case in this scenario. We're actually reducing lot coverage and there's no field being brought in and if there is simply part of the foundation and will be contained as such and not on the site. Um, let's see here. That about wraps it up. So, we have fire. Obviously, it has to comply with NC fire prevention codes and public services has looked at this uh reviewed and approved it. And that's all we have at this time. I'm happy to answer any questions that you may have. And of course, David Ryan is here if you have any questions for him. Um, out of curiosity, I will scroll down just so you can see the elevations. It's going to be an attractive building. Yeah, it really looks nice. It looks great. There we go. So you can see we have this large porch here. Um we have column trim and we have several dormers. Um there's a shed dormer on the opposite side. We've got cedar shake um siding as well as board and batten down here. Um residential style windows. It kind of hits all the criteria that we like to see for res.

Yeah. good to put our best foot forward. Right. Right. What are the hours of the fitness facility? That I do not know. I'm just curious really. Um Andy would have to answer. You know what? I don't know if this is the right answer or not, but it's on a code. Um I don't if you're in maybe it's 20 basically. Yeah, I know. I'm just curious. People there late at night and early in the morning as it fits their work schedules. Sorry. No, the hours of the fitness facility. I was asking the hours. Yes, it just by Well, we use a badge system anytime, right? That's great. Do um employees like us get to use this facility? We don't have badges. Done. You got to wait for them to to fix it to build it to build it first. Well, there is one, but we have a policy on employees, retirees, family members, who might we come to see for a badge? You can come to see our HR director. Okay. So, any questions about the um site plan before us for Kelly or if Mr. Ryan's here? I think it looks great. I love that it incorporates life. So, the housing I

know you said it might be lifeguards. What? But it might not. It might. Well, it's going to be workforce either way. Um, but just town staff, town folks versus Yeah, it's my understanding. Anything outside of that would obviously have to be approved through the town management. Right. Right. But at this point, um, yeah, town of Nagad workforce. It's great. Yeah, I think it's great. I don't know of anybody else who's doing it either. Um, I don't know of anybody else who's trying to help with the housing problem. So, yeah, I like that that like looking for little pockets where you can like squeeze some things in. Yeah, this makes good sense. Okay, so no questions on the design the um No more questions for Kelly, right? Somebody want to make a motion or do we we have to make a decision on this thing and move it forward? Anybody wants a tour? Oh, yeah. What's the projected date of finishing that one? Okay. Great. Fabulous. Yeah, it's great. Yeah. Yeah.

about 50 rescue staff. Some of those folks are part great. Are these units furnished? Just out of curiosity. Nice. Perfect. I think the town is leading by example here and it really does set a good precedent big time. And I would make a motion to approve the site plan as presented. Great. We have a motion. Did I hear a second? Yes. Any further discussion? Okay. All in favor? I. Anybody opposed? Great. Moving on. Thank you to um nomination of a planning board member to serve on the septic health advisory committee. I'll I'll volunteer. I was on the uh what do you call it? The decentralized wastewater management project a couple years ago. Great. And I've kind of got a little bit of background in that world. So if y'all will be okay with that, I volunteer. Okay. Yeah. Anybody else interested or you know? Okay. Great. Thank you so much, Basel. was easy. Yeah. So, um, everyone is in agreement. We'll go ahead and nominate Basil. Do we need a motion? I guess I'll make a motion tonight. Okay, we have a motion and a second. All in favor? I Great. Thank you very much, Basil. We appreciate it. Um, and now we'll move on. Before we leave there, who's gonna who's in charge and who's going to tell me what's going on with that question? Hold on. How you know? Just the next meeting for instance. Yeah. So, our next meeting is actually coming up pretty soon. I believe it's the 29th of May. Um, so yeah, and we'll bring you up to date on everything that's happening with

that. So the primary thing that the septic health um the advisory committee is working with now is you know we were granted um the division of water infrastructure grant the $500,000 to distribute through a no interest loan program. We have to create the scope of that. Right now, we're looking at prioritizing high risk properties and we've gone through the process to try to identify what those high risks are adjacent to a water body, hasn't had any maintenance on their septic system for a certain amount of time. Joe's doing an amazing job with his GIS analysis. Okay. So, we've pulled all that information and now we're presenting it to the shack um to see if they um agree with how we've gone about developing the the at risk properties. And that's going to be the 28th. Is that the morning or after? It's at 10:00 a.m. um in the conference room at town hall. And so, we have some notes. I'm happy to send you Yeah, please do. Thank you. Okay. So, Kelly, are you going to report to us on board of commissioners actions from their May 7th meeting, please? Quickly. Yeah, we don't have a whole lot to go through. Um but so for consent agenda, we had the map amendment that we just spoke about in terms of um the southern portion of this property going from R3 to Village Institutional as well as the text amendment that goes along with that. Um, we gave an update on that loan that we were just talking about, the zero interest loan. Um, and, uh, then, uh, deputy director Joe Costello provided a presentation to the board on an opportunity that we have to collaborate, um, with the county and through the

hazard mitigation grant program to um, either elevate properties that um, are part of the repetitive loss list or go through a process to potentially um for acquisition. So um that's exciting. I think there's a couple of properties that we're currently exploring for both elevation and acquisition. I think that's it in terms of planning related items. Okay. Anybody? Question. Um I meant to follow up on this and I never did, but it's the the house on East Lakeside Street. It was applying for a variance of some sort. What was that about? So, um, it was 109 East Lakeside and they had put an above ground pool on their property and built wooden access stairs and a little platform to get into the above ground pool and they had done that without um any permits. So when they got their notice of violation, they immediately came in to try to get the proper permits. And we realized that not only did they not have lot coverage for that, but they were already over their lot coverage um before the pool. Yeah. Um not by a lot, but they were it's um it was developed in the 1960s. Um I mean when you go by there, it's an old house, carport, things like everything on there looks pretty old. So I don't know how much actually done recently um if any of it. Um but as part of the uh submission for hardship, there's a question in there that relates to um federal fair housing and ADA requirements. And the applicant um he and his wife his wife has a condition. She had a note from her physician stating that water routine

water access to routine water exercises helped alleviate her condition. Um and so the board based upon that the board of adjustment granted the variance but they placed several conditions um well one condition and several criteria. The pool's got to go um when she no longer needs it. and the applicant stated that it would be likely no more than 10 years. Um, so that's one requirement. The pool has to go um if they ever sell the property and the pool has to go if it ever goes into any type of rental program long or short right now. It's a second home only and it's not rented out. Okay. Thanks. Sure. Any other questions? B, did you have something? I did. I was interested in what would be a reason for an acquisition. I'll hand that over to uh Joe. Good morning. Um the acquisitions would be if what's eligible under the grant is if it's a repetitive loss or if it's in a flood hazard area. Um those are really what what what's qualifying. I think what we're looking at specifically is people first of all, who are voluntarily interested in selling their homes or those that are used to the static line um potentially have, you know, some some other issues like like damage or um previous um condemnation. Would and and somebody whose house is is in a situation like that where it's repeatedly damaged in storms, would that not be something that the insurance company would cover that expense

um to remove to to remove the property is what you're saying. Well, or you don't rebuild. Um so if it's substantially damaged and it sort of tips the threshold of of that substantial damage, I think that's sort of one case. But I think in the event that it just had some flooding and they are insured that the insurance company would, you know, pay out for for that damage assuming they have flood insurance and the dam, you know, what whatever their criteria is. But the insurance company wouldn't acquire that property and demolish the property and then keep it into open space. And that's really our role would be to okay kind of be a liaison the state through through this acquisition um sort of administrative relationship with the state that that is made available. They would be kind of managing the whole project. We just kind of hold the deed as it in um into perpetuity and put a deed restriction on that parcel and keep it as open space. And that's really the extent of our role except for some liaisoning. um the state would be sort of managing the grant, doing the procurement, managing the actual demolition and removal of of the home. So, it's pretty it's unique to to my understanding to North Carolina. So, okay. Thank you. Y anybody else? Okay. So, then let's move on to um our discussion item. Joe, you can stay up there, right? We can talk about um strategic plan action item 2.2 and um we're looking at the cord

district soon to be renamed something better. Right. That's right. Okay. Um so this chord discussion again came out of the strategic plan to look at the chord and look at the compatibility between what our zoning does and then what our comprehensive plan says. Um we had a discussion first we you know we drafted sort of this report on the existing conditions sent that to you all in March had a presentation on what the report contained. Last month we had some discussion items um sort of questions and then sort of loose discussion. Just as a reminder, this is sort of the area we're talking about the outlined in blue area. It's an overlay district, so extra uses are allowed in this district. Commercial outdoor uses um specifically, but there's the underlying C2 zoning. So any use in C2 can be developed within this core district. So um you know the ultimately that cord report talked about amending the UDO to reflect the core goals. Um here's some uses right now that are allowed within the underlying C2. Um as well as a whole host of other things. And so the cord report recommended basically looking at these all these uses and considering um making sort of group developments or mixed use developments allowed and and allowing cord uses as a part of of of making that allowed within the cord and then removing some of these potentially non-compatible uses such as large residential dwelling um potentially automobile repair, car washes from the

C2 zone. And then the other sort of portion of that as we looked at the plan was in the comp plan um the goals that the comprehensive plan speaks about for this activity node was was a lot about um connecting it to the whale bone activity area which is sort of just to the north of of our um area that you can see there. and um also in about making it an active space connected. It didn't read like a comp plan that wanted general highway commercial. It read like you know we want to see this sort of be a new urbanism walkable environment. Um and so in this map you'll see sort of that light yellow is what we have existing as sidewalk or pedestrian path. The dark orange is what is either in our pedestrian plan or what is basically approved to be constructed with the Southside boardwalk. And then the sort of neon green is just, you know, some proposed connections. Um, a lot of those came from the 2014 sort of parks and wreck uh boardwalk, some schematic sketches as well as the beach road design plan that was done I think in 2010. but um some facilitation of movement between sort of our whale bone activity node and our soundside activity node. So we had a discussion um in your staff report I sort of outlined some of the key points that I heard. Um number one would be to support existing businesses by allowing flexibility and expansion of uses. Number two would be to support the current mix of uses by removing some of the C2 uses from the core that are threats. Three would be to continue to manage heights and development to keep

the sound visible and accessible. And number four, um this sort of has a lot of sort of sub points, but the area has this potential to be sort of our second major activity area and counterweight for seasonal tourists besides just going to the beach. And um you know in in your staff report I've sort of outlined some action items. Um number one support existing businesses by allowing flexibility of ex and expansion of uses. Um I think that I copied that over. But what we would need to do would be to amend the cord to add these new accessory uses to existing to the existing overlay and mixed use options. basically that um yellow and green highlighted in the table in in the core report. And then number two um we would want to consider a new commercial zone for the core area. Depending on you know what sort of that down zoning bill that that's there we potentially we would we would want to remove some C2 uses that um are currently there. Um and then I copied that over on accident so I apologize. Um number three would be to uh you know again sort of manage those heights um and and to um basically continue to look at development and consider what's being proposed and then um potentially there there was a there was a past um document that we looked at like the massing and sort of size of development. I I don't we didn't propose any recommendations in the quarter report to reduce sort of size or height, but we had previously talked about removing the hotel overlay district. Currently, the hotel overlay district kind of coincides with the um

the cord. And so if we could eventually remove that hotel overlay district, we could reduce sizes um under 60 feet, which is allowable under that. And then under that sort of fourth branch of the area having the potential to be the second major activity area, um some things we could do there um would be to basically develop a wayfinding action plan to implement sort of the wayfinding aspects of of what was discussed at our last meeting. kiosks, pavement signage, maps, signage for motorists, and a website. And then um sort of that discussion around we want it to feel like a place. It's not sort of a place right now. How do we do that? One of the things we could do, we talked about installing public art. we could um have that conversation with the arts and culture committee, look at the area, potentially have some recommendations um to to do some things such as the crosswalk that we've seen and potentially other installations there and then improvement of infrastructure um for that. I think, you know, we continue to implement our pedestrian plan. When we update the pedestrian plan, we kind of keep the cord area in mind and the connectivity that's recommended in the comprehensive plan between the wellbound area and that southside activity node. Um, as David pointed out, we have to consider the reality of sort of golf carts and ebikes and all these sort of other vehicles and and at least understand that they're there and have either signage telling them where to be or or some sort of infrastructure potentially and then um continue to make the area safer. Um, to David's point at the last discussion,

whether that's sort of flashing light, you know, traffic light ahead signage, s simple sort of signs um and and things that can sort of alert alert motorists that this is not just a highway area. This is you're coming up on a pedestrian activity zone um and and um as well as continue to look at crosswalks. And then um the US 158 access management plan hasn't moved on the step. Um the improvement plan that sort of guides transportation funding in our area. Um it's sort of still on the back half of that. So design hasn't been funded. So, we're at least, you know, six or seven years away theoretically from that being um funded and constructed, but continue to advocate that until NC DOT and um through the STIP that we do want that project and it would be good for us. So, I'm happy to um sort of feel the discussion or if you guys review the staff report and you look at the action items and you look at the discussion points, if there's any um sort of issues with what I've put down, I hope hopefully I've represented our discussion properly and um hopefully the action items um you know, maybe there's some that you all think are feasible to pursue, others we're limited by current legislation um in pursuing removing uses unless we get everybody's signature. That that's something that they want, but um that seems probably unrealistic. The only comment I have, Joe, is when we were looking at these action items, I was reading to myself, okay, item number four, that's not an action item. That's just a statement. But then you went through and listed all these possible things to review, develop, consider. So before this goes to the board of commissioners or how would maybe reward that a little bit to you know consider

items to help ensure this area becomes a whatever it is the second major activity. Yeah I apologize I um somehow I copied the same slide over. I had a really good action item slide. We're laughing with you. We've all been so I I I do apologize and I hearing Um, I don't think we're on the verge of sending it anywhere anyway, right? It's still just discussed. But it's a good point, you know. So, I'm wondering given the legislative restrictions right now if we should maybe prioritize some things that aren't hinging on that so much and try to focus on those um things that we could flesh out a little bit that don't rely on that particular situation with the down zoning. I think that makes sense. Yeah. Would it be helpful to prioritize? In other words, yes. Um based on things that we can actually accomplish or hope to accomplish sooner, you know, without waiting, right? Um, and then I guess my only other question would be, you know, do we want some public input somewhere along the way and if so when? Um, this is a huge I think it's great and I've had positive feedback since our last meeting about the discussion. and I don't know if anybody else has, but um I think it's really important and it's, you know, it's changing down there with the um event site and the pickle everything, you know, with everything changing. I think it's great that we should be proactive and look at it. But I'm just wondering if and when we should have some more public engagement. I think that's I would agree. I I told you because I think with public

engagement um you will get some more good ideas and you will also see what their I don't want to you know their priorities are shar duties or anything but I think the input would be valuable and I don't know whether that's best done like with a committee or does staff have any ideas on this or um I mean I I think Kell, you want to go ahead? You know, yeah, I think if the planning board was supportive of um I guess more specific action items or or what I have here, we could kind of circle the ones that we think, you know, or or we could move forward with given the existing paradigm of sort of not downzoning. Um that would be the next step. And then I would, you know, I think go and and sort of do we could just have public meetings in here or in in the local neighborhood, the Lakeside neighborhood and especially people that already have an interest down there, business owners and yeah, I would be willing to come back and sit here like we did before with the Do you think it's too What do you think about that, Kelly? And either way, huh? Can go either way. I know, but I just No, I'm I'm just throwing it out there. I'm not sure if it's too soon or But if you wait. I feel like So, I think the only thing that I would want public comment on and to make publicly available out there for conversation are things that we can do right now, right? I wouldn't want to talk about any potential type of new commercial district that restricted car washes or automobile repair. It's not something that we can do right now and so I wouldn't want that to get out into the

public legs and it's not even something that we're right. Right. So I think um any type of public engagement should just be around the things that we know. I I think we would need to clearly define what we are looking for public comment on. Right. And u this excuse me this slide is a key slide I think in the area in which we are looking for public comment right and different aspects of what activities, attractions, infrastructure whatever that people would like to see in this general area. Certainly not the things that regard down zoning and what's allowed and what's not allowed businesswise. In addition, you know, Joe did mention something in there about adding uses. That's obviously something that can be discussed because that provides more flexibility. You know, one thing we talked about was right now you can't have um if you have a like a restaurant associated with outdoor wreck, that restaurant has to be accessory, right? actually, you know, upzoning and providing more flexibility if you could have a principal restaurant and a principal commercial rep and not one not having to be accessory to the other. So that's an addition that's an upzoning that's something that I don't think would be affected by the legislation and Joe delve into that in their last meeting. So that could be something right. I think the key here is is would be to frame the questions to towards what can be done and and prioritize that and

plus give them a sense of direction what we're looking for and then then request additional input from them of ideas that you haven't already thought of and prioritized. But you need to guide them in terms of in the questioning what what we're actually looking for and and I think that would be provide us a lot of good information to consider. I think people would be excited to think that it has potential to be planned instead of random, right? You know, and um I think towns people would like to engage with that a little bit, you know, right? Um maybe that is something that we can bring back to you next month and we can work together to prioritize. I think so. I think prioritizing it's I keep hearing that same word. Well, before we prioritize Sorry. Go ahead. Before we do that, can we just set aside in a different list the things we know we can't do. So, we don't even Well, that'll happen automatically. Even talk about them as a priority. Right. I mean, they probably won't come up along the way, but Right. So um I guess one you know the strategic plan item was sort of to look at how the uses examine the allowable uses within the commercial outdoor recreation district and and so you know I think that original sort of direction from the board runs counter a little bit to to that because I think as we went through this process we found that well a lot of what we want to do to really align what our comprehensive plan and our our zoning ordinance is implementing isn't necessarily aligned, but we can't remove some of the things. So, we can potentially incentivize development we want though by adding in uses or making it easier to do some of these other uses. And then there's sort of this

other side of things with like the sort of the infrastructure, the wayfinding. Those are town actions that we can do sort of as a part of this um but potentially it's a little bit outside of that original um direction from from the board. So I think right but in in looking at it I think it it would um these are things we can do since we can't remove these uses right now to strengthen the district and sort of accomplish the comprehensive plan goals in another way. So I just want to guess put that out there. Yeah. No, and I think it would maybe create some interest and excitement about the area if we started to work on some of those other infrastructure items if you would so people could picture what it might be like you know um and then somewhere along the way before too long I think it would be good to involve arts and culture especially if we're going to talk about um public art and those kinds of things you know they're that's their thing so um so we're going to prioritize Right. Basically um and then talk about it again next month. Sounds good. Question. I would like to comment on this again this slide in particular uh particularly the bright green proposed boardwalk and trails. Um, and I think I made a comment about it last month because there had been a big article in Southern Living magazine about the town of Duck and the boardwalk and this and that. Well, the new Southern Living came this week and there is another 10page feature article about boardwalks along the water in towns in the state of North Carolina.

They had Carolina Beach, they had Duck, they had Columbia. Um, it is a People love this. People a flock to attractions like this. So, it's it's definitely something that it would serve its purpose. It would draw people away from the ocean when they don't want to be on the beach or go to the ocean. It would give them an alternative of something to do and see. sunset activities could be created around it. Um, yeah, it it's a great Yeah. build that and then like this. Yeah. Right. All this stuff would be easy to take care of to make it like a center. Yeah. Okay. I have a quick question. Um, on this map there's a proposed sidewalk down Lakeside Street. That's the first I've ever seen of that. Yeah, that's well that's a planned sidewalk that's in our um pedestrian plan. I basically took the list that was in our pedestrian plan and just mapped the extent. So it's at the back end of it. Um so I mean it's towards the end but yeah it's okay. It's planned to to be constructed at some point. There's not much space for that, is there? Well, just with the hotel like and all the trying to keep the hotel guests out of our residential neighborhood, we really would not want that sidewalk. I'm pretty sure I could speak for my neighborhood on that. All right. But yeah, but I know it's it's down the list. So, yeah. Yeah. Just I've never seen it before, so I was curious. Yeah, it's in our pedestrian plan currently. Not in our No, it's not in our CIP, but it's sort of on the back end of that list of our um pedestrian So I wanted to really So this is what infrastructure we have. This is what we're planning to build at some point or privately is being planned. The

soundside uh boardwalk and then the green really you know that came from our um parks and wreck plan is where that boardwalk extension you know at least that I've found is like our sort of that concept came to be. And then, you know, the Beach Road design plan considered sort of more conceptual uh sort of circulation between the Whale Bone and Southside, but they had, you know, multiple planned traffic lights along US 158 and multiple more sidewalk connections. So, this is, you know, just sort of again that's put a line on the map and then it's like that's the, you know, that's the thing. But I think just generally that concept of having some circulation between the whale bone activity area, you could park there and easily flow into the outlets and up to the activity center. However that is best achieved, I think would be a huge benefit. Okay, anybody else questions, comments? Looks really good. I like what you put together. Yeah, thank you Joe. It's great. Kelly, do you have anything on your report that hasn't been covered somewhere else? Probably not. We talked about the DWMP. Um, and Estrin Shoreline Management Plan. We're just moving along with that. Um they were actually out there, Joe is out there um a couple days ago with some folks with a drone trying to get images to determine where the SAV um sub aquatic vegetation is because that's really going to be telling as to what type of measure is even going to be allowable for this estin shoreline management

plan. Um sand relocation doing cost share sand relocation is over. Um, so they shouldn't be doing any more work on the beach, but you can still apply for the dune um cost share and that will be available through like June 16th or towards the end of June, I believe. Um, planning department did a great job with their third quarter permit turnaround. So, big kudos to everybody in the department for that. And, um, just everything's kicking up with Dowy Park. Um, summer season events, obviously, fitness. Um, they had yoga morning things will start um picking up as we go. That's really all I have. Great questions, comments on planning director's report. Okay. Do any members have anything on their agenda today? And I have nothing on my agenda today. So, I will entertain a motion to Sure. You're not busy. That's right. Okay. It's happening now. You mean it's happening now? Should you all be there? They scheduled it simultaneously. That's why they're here. They were like, "Let's do it during the planning board meeting." So, they won't be able to make it. But look, we're we're done in record time. Okay, great. It's going to be funny to go up there without a trunk full of brush or whatever, right? Stop by my house. Okay. Thank you. We will. I will. I will. Okay. Anybody? Then do I have a motion to adjurnn? Motion to adjourn. Okay. Great. We are ajourned then. Done.

Thank you everybody. I think this is a record.