Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

He's good. I We have a huge portfolio. Are we ready? Okay, I'd like to call the meeting of the planning and zoning commission to order for February 5th, 2026. If you all would rise and join me for the pledge.

I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for it stands nationy and justice for all. Okay, Erica, would you let the record show we are all in attendance and oh, we have um little introduction, a little bit of ground rules. We'll run through these very quickly. Um, of course, welcome. We sure appreciate you all coming. Turn off your cell phones. Be polite to stakeholders. If you would like u to speak on an issue, not the applicant, but if you'd like any anybody else would like to speak on an issue or would like to speak in the public comments part of our meeting, please fill out a speaker request form. They should be in the back. Are they in the back? Oh, in

Oh, in the table in the lobby. We'll be sure we get you in the right order there. Um, when it's time to speak, um, go ahead and step up and and I'll signal you to come on up. Speak into the microphone, please, because we need to make it part of the record. We'll ask you to state your name and address for the record. And um I don't need to read all these. You guys can read all these.

The time limits for those public comments are uh three minutes and out of respect to others we try to try to adhere adhere to that. U when we present each item we will uh start with the staff and um staff presentation. We'll have a staff presentation. The the commission will ask them questions and then the applicant will come forward and we'll hear from them and uh ask questions of them. Then when um time we'll call we'll open up the public portion. I'll say we'll open the public portion of the meeting. All please come forward. Thank you. Okay. Any changes to the agenda? Mr. Chair,

there are no changes to the agenda. Thank you. Very good. Uh, commissioners, we have minutes. Chair, I'd like to make a motion. Thank you. Like to make a motion to approve the minutes of the January 8th, 2026 meeting. Very good. Second. There you go. Any discussion? Hearing none. All in favor say I. I.

Any opposed? Very good. Okay, this the public comments portion of the meeting. If anybody from the public would like to address the commission on any issue besides the ones that are being presented this evening, um we would love to hear from you and um I hear what you have to say. Uh anybody from the public like to address the commission? Okay. Did you Did you want to was it did it relate to the relating to an agenda item?

Very good. We'll we'll do that in that order when that item comes up. Thank you so much. All right. Looks like we're on to old business. We will hold a public hearing. Consider others coffee for conditional use permit for convenience food restaurant with drive-through facility. Um yeah on Panal Avenue near Choya Street DSA 250081. Daniela, good evening. Good evening

chair and commissioners. The item before you tonight is a request for a conditional use permit planning project DSA250081. This item was tabled from the November planning commission meeting over concerns relating to traffic circulation and queuing. The applicant has updated their TIA and has added additional queuing lines to address the commission's concerns. The applicant is requesting approval of a conditional use permit to develop a Dutch Bros Coffee on an approximately 1.1 acre vacant parcel. The site is zoned B2 general business which permits restaurant uses. However, due to the drive-thru and quick service nature of the business, the use is classified as a convenience food restaurant and requires conditional use permit approval. The proposed development consists of a 1,025 square foot building with two drive-thru lanes, separate walk up service window on the south side of the building, as well as a bypass lane seen in yellow. Staff evaluated the request based on the conditional use permit criteria outlined in city code. I'll be going over in more detail the highlighted item to address the parking and queuing concerns. The site is adequate in size and configuration to accommodate the proposed use. The site is surrounded by commercial uses and vacant commercial land. The site is designated community corridor in the 2030 general plan.

Conditions of approval are proposed to ensure traffic safety, adequate infrastructure, and overall site compatibility. With these proposed conditions, staff finds the criteria have been met by the applicant. A traffic impact analysis was revised. It has been approved by the city traffic engineer. The site is anticipated to generate approximately 203 trips during the A.M. am. Peak hour and 163 trips during the PM peak hour. The site layout allows for access to be provided from a 3/4 right in right out driveway on Panel Avenue aligned with Sorro Street with a right turn lane on Panel Avenue. Dutch Bros has provided a traffic management plan that outlines staffing, signage, and on-site traffic control during peak demand periods and promotional events. The plan includes provisions for temporary traffic control and if necessary, off-site traffic controllers. Dutch Bros has a core strategy to contain the queue in order to prevent spillover. At the November planning commission meeting, there was some comparison with the existing Dutch Bros site on Florence. However, this site on panel will be utilizing an improved prototype building and drive-through design and other improvements associated with equipment and technology that show service rates are estimated to improve by 10%. Per our city code, drive-thru queuing requirements include a total of nine vehicles. Analysis indicates the

proposed 21 vehicle queue area available within the two-lane drive-thru will accommodate demand 99.4% of the time. During the occasional time that demand exceeds this length, additional storage is available on site along the site south boundary for an additional 15 vehicles. After some additional adjustment of the site plan, proposed queuing allows for up to 36 vehicles, adding eight additional vehicles compared to the previous site plan that showed a total of 28 vehicles. To ensure there is adequate queuing on site, our traffic engineer has requested a condition of temporary queuing line be added in the event that existing queuing lanes fail to keep traffic on site. This would add queuing for additional an additional six vehicles for a total of 42 vehicles. Public notification for this request was conducted in accordance with city code requirements. Staff and the applicant meet all of these requirements. Staff did receive one letter of support that has been provided to you. Staff recommends approval of the conditional use permit and associated resolution DSA250081 for a convenience food restaurant with a drive-thru subject to the stated conditions of approval. I'm happy to answer any questions. However, I do want to note that the applicant also has a presentation for

this evening. Okay. Thank you, commissioners. Any questions for staff? Yep. And

uh Mr. Chair, I have a question on the resolution item 2B. Uh when we met last time in November, I just wanted some uh I brought up needing some clarity uh in the resolution to talk about the abuting abuing alley development area. The way I read it, it's just along their property, but as I understand it, they're going to be developing it all the way up to the Jack in the Box. And I just called out that it would be nice to see that clearly stated on there. Uh that way there's no question that that's what the agreement is. We can make sure we make that update in the reports set out.

Yeah, that condition too. Same. Any other questions for staff? All right. Seeing none, would the applicant or their representative please come up and address the commission? Please give us your name and address for the

Harry Raft. Uh 22626 East Nightingale, Queen Creek. I'm the uh VP of design and pre-development for Dutch Bros. Like to say thanks for staff. I think you probably did a better job than the presentation is going to line out for what we're going to be doing and how we've hopefully addressed any concerns that the council may have. Um, as as was stated, Dutch Bros continues to evolve as a brand and how we do things and how we want to actually uh be perceived by the public and get getting those customers through our our line and through our concept as quickly as possible. The new prototype that we've designed, as outlined, um does have uh additional drink stations inside that accommodate additional baristas um that help drive that line. We have a system called line busters where we actually go out into the line, take orders, and as the drinks come out, and it might be be the first car at the window, it might be the third or the fourth. Hence the having the bypass lane where people can get out right away and we can keep people flowing through the entire process. The addition of queuing in there um is I think it's a great idea. I'm really happy that we're going to go through and do that. The addition of the third lane is not an issue at all. We're happy to to accommodate that when we when we feel we need to. Uh obviously we don't build u the church for Easter Sunday. We build it for our daily business and everything, but we do accommodate when we do have the special events or sticker drops or special beverages. We, you know, we we get ready to accommodate that as you probably saw in the very lengthy traffic plan that we kind of put together. Let's see which way this works. There we go. So, the third lane that you're seeing on there, um, working with staff and having that additional overflow, uh, really kind of works well. We can have those, uh, five spaces that you see planned south dedicated just for the employees. Um, so we can always accommodate those additional cars. Um,

as it was stated by staff, um, we've got quite a bit. Go to the next slide. um kind of what we've [snorts] were required to provide and what we did provide at the end of the day. Um because we also know that there are always challenges on the site at different times. But you know having requirements of only five vehicles and supporting 21 um having 15 additional for overflow uh and six uh from that point in a total of 42 that's that's quite a bit of cars for us. uh we never want to have that community pool stacked up at any since we have no indoor space, no indoor cafe. Again, it's totally an outdoor uh experience for our customers and we want to make sure it's the best experience we can provide. Um again, some of the things I touched on, the early escape lane, uh the larger building footprint that accommodates more equipment and more staff so we can accommodate the customer a lot quicker. um increase on the vehicle stacking, uh increase of the staff, and of course the the mobile order head uh stalls that we were kind of bringing in allow people just to pull up, jump right out, grab the drink that they pre-ordered, and then be to be able to get off the site rather quickly. Um, another benefit about us having the potential and being able to open up here is with an additional store, we are we are planning on a can what we call a cannibalization of the existing shop to be pulled over to the shop as well. So, you're going to see a decrease on anything that's existing and as we continue to open shops, I hope here in the community that uh this will continue sight to sight to sight where we will start to even out, if you will, uh the lines and the wait times because again, it helps us at the end of the day. People don't have to wait in line so long.

Can answer any questions or concerns? Okay. Commissioners, questions for the applicant. No, sir. Okay. Sounds like sounds like you're good with the with the conditions. Yes, absolutely. Those are those are all good for you. And um and the one that was brought up about we're No, you want to I'm sorry. You want to explain that? So, it's so it's going all the way all the way through the up to the jack and the jack. the connects at the and that's what it showed on staff's report. I just think it needs to be laid out in there so there's no question. All right.

I have the landlord here as well. He can probably speak to any additional uh access across there. Um but having it go up there, I don't know what the easement agreement could possibly be for next door. So there's really no guarantee that anything would happen across access. Okay. All right. No more questions. I just have one. Yes. Dutch Bros did a trial run of serving food in the past year. Correct. Yes, they did. Are you planning to roll that out to this site or to the Dutch Bros in general? Just Just Dutch this site. Yes. And Dutch Bros in general. We're actually rolling that out right now.

Okay. And so with food in in this report here, the assumption is that it'd be 32 seconds per vehicle. Correct. Correct. And so when you add the food aspect to it, what does that number jump to? It basically it stays around the same because you know you're making your drinks and the food is basically a it's rethermalized. So it's we're not cooking in the shops. Um if you think of Starbucks when you go through there where it's just heated in a microwave oven or an oven if you will per se. U so it it it goes that quickly and plus the person making the drinks is not the same one making the food. So these two things are coming together at the same time. Okay. Thank you.

You're welcome. Okay. Anything else? All right. Thank you. Thank you. Appreciate that. So, now I'll open the public portion of the meeting for um this agenda item. Anybody in the public would like to address this item, please come forward. Name of address for the record. Yes, please come up.

Hi, thank you commissioners. U my name is Tiffany Thomas Hallebertton. I uh represent the family and businesses across the street at 1577 North Panal Avenue. Um we've got the Sun Valley Land building um offices and the vacant lot as well across the street that also continues all all the way south to Sorro Street. So coming across the street with Dutch Brothers um directly adjacent to the Sorro Street exit, we're talking about impact for a long time on the traffic of Panal and the congestion on Panal, considering the future of development perhaps on our sites as well. So, thinking about the long-term impact on that arterial um and also leading right to our historic downtown as well, I would encourage uh the council to consider perhaps an alternate entrance and exit if we perhaps could discuss the expansion of an easement um on some of the properties further to the east coming down to Choya perhaps behind the car wash and avoiding any of the traffic that's going to come in and out of Panal venue. Um so future development and the traffic impact of that as well as all of the pedestrian activity there. Um late night businesses obviously are we have two 24-hour businesses right across the street. Um and so thinking about the pedestrian safety as well as the traffic safety and if we're talking about 42 um cars just idling there. So every car at Heritage Motors across the street just running sitting there. So, we've talking about exhaust and noise and all of those other impacts on that local intersection. So, thinking down the line, it may be worth considering, you know, the impact as a whole on the area beyond just coffee and the needs of coffee right now, looking at our

long-term community goals. So, in the perhaps alternate um directed redirecting some of the traffic, wonder if that might be an option that the applicant would be encouraged to consider. Okay. All right. In the nicest way, of course. [laughter] Thank you. Um did you have any questions about that? That's just No, thank you very much.

Thank you. Now, collectively the um the properties across the street are also equivalent to about an acre or so and um include offices and also vacant lot that could be developed like I said with some similar type business in the future and encouraging us in the past. We had worked with planners who had considered us also using the alley as our entrance the way they are. Um and that's a smart move to really keep the traffic on the outside of the property away from the arterials. Anyway, just to clarify. Very good. Thank you. Anyone else like to address this issue?

Okay, seeing none, I'll close the public portion of the meeting and bring it back to the commissioners. How we doing? We comfortable with this. More comfortable than we were last time. Talk to us. I am I mean I think I am I the the additional queueing I think is going to help. I and I can appreciate a good traffic report and I don't know if Lee Engineering is here or not but they they raised some issues that the city has at the intersection of Panal and Cottonwood. I mean they did this study and did a crash analysis over 21 and 20 from 21 to 23 and there were 55 crashes. There's 18 a year at that intersection. There's a problem there that the city has. So, and I don't think necessarily the Dutch Brothers is going to create more of a problem, even though 45% of the traffic is going to be coming from Cottonwood, but I think um in general, we just have a a problem at the intersection that needs to be solved, a safety problem. Um the right turn lane that they're planning to build isn't going to meet city standards. It's not going to hold enough cars because the lots are too small along Panel. Did catch that, but I just don't know what else what else they can do and still be, you know, a member of the city again, you know, in another spot. So, I think it's it's a reasonable request.

Great. Thank you. You got it. Appreciate that. Anybody else?

I'll just say I'm more comfortable than I was in November, but I'm still concerned. I don't necessarily believe it will accommodate all of the all of the queuing. Um, I know it says 32 seconds. I worked at a raising canes. Our goal when we had a rush was two minutes per car. And all they serve is fries, chicken cinders, kla, and toast. It's really simple. So, if all we're making is that and it during a rush, we should always have that available and it's still at two minutes. When you're start adding in food, maybe somebody calls out that day. Are you consistently at 32 seconds? I I don't necessarily believe that, but the analysis is what the analysis is. I can't necessarily say I know any better than the traffic engineer or anything like that. So,

I kind of got to go with what we have in front of us. And, you know, I had other thoughts, but I'll I'll leave that to the planning department to figure out. So, thank you. One of the nice things that Dust Bros does do, they do have the attendance outside. So, they are taking your menu, you know, pre, you know, prior to getting to the window. So that would I would assume that would accumulate the time difference on the 30 whatever the seconds to two minutes but because normally they're already ready by the time you get up there but I busy but I because we I like Dutch so

I was there on Saturday on on in foreign and yes it was backed up on the street it is but now that they've implemented the mobile ordering we're We're moving to a Starbucks world, which which made it much easier to get in, park, wait, get my drink, and move out, not be in the drive-through line. So, I think that that is gonna help. Yeah, I'm with you on that one. Certainly to their advantage, too. A question, Commissioner. Are there any future plans and I don't know this to widen Panol anytime soon adding a lane in each direction?

That's I think it's ADAT. Yeah. Okay. But given that there is an issue with that intersection as she explained, is it really ADA?

Love to hear Clark's comments about that. To the best of my knowledge, there is no plan to look at the intersection as a whole. Uh we do recognize that on the west leg of the intersection, I believe it's a QT in the northwest corner, um that we're uh having some challenges with with the Stubberingham vehicles from their drive onto Cottonwood. Um we did go ahead and extend the median uh to the east on Cottonwood to limit some of the movements on that approach. Um so there are has been something done something we'll we're looking at doing some things in the future. Um to Commissioners Garza's point uh at some point uh a fresh look at safety for the whole intersection is probably prudent. Uh, but it's not on the horizon at this time.

Thank you. And is there anything about the the larger trucks like rerouting some of the larger trucks because I mean [clears throat] that's our biggest issue right that at that spot and I know we've been discussing that but I didn't know if there's any been any

changes. Couple couple years ago, um, public works undertook a study that looked at alternative means of connecting Interstate 8 to the north end of the community. Um, be it Val Vista or in that area. Um, they looked at two primary corridors, Eington and Bur is the primary starting point at I8. And then there were dozens of alternatives that were were considered uh as to how to uh cross the railroad tracks and then proceed to the north and and northeast to panel. Um there is a preferred alternative uh that is being slowly developed as we speak. Uh we're working with the railroad right now as to how we might get a great separation along the preferred alignment which is Burus. Um a year ago we made a submitt to them got some feedback um and then we also started working with utilities in the area. We found some very expensive flaws in the concept that we were developing. So we've backed up we've developed another concept uh that was submitted to the UP in December. Um so once we get their comments um and some guidance um some more positive feedback rather than the first submitt um we'll start to discuss with the primary utilities. There's some overhead power lines. There's Kinder Morgan. that's a challenge. Uh and then talk to um uh land owners in the area to see that we're um developing a concept uh that that we can actually start some serious design work uh in the not too distant future. But again, this is a long lead item. Um there's a lot of work to do that we're trying to do very coste effectively to make sure we don't make a decision and spend a lot of money and find out we have tens of millions of

dollars worth of issues that we need to to hurdle we're trying to find the most cost effective solution and account for those before we start that expensive endeavor but yes there is answer your question is yes we're looking at a bur road alignment because that would help a lot yes ma'am Anything else? Okay. Are we ready for a motion, Mr. Chair? Yes, sir. Bear with me because I want to make sure I I get it right. Yeah, you we we all had to practice. We all did. And we

Well, I'm modifying the resolution, so I want to make sure I get the I get that right. to approve the conditional use permit and modify resolution DSA2500081 to change item 2B to state that the ab budding alley along the development area of the lot up to the Jack in the Box parking lot. So, let me be clear. We're adding to the verbiage that is in number two. Yes, sir. Okay. 2B.

Does that work? So the whole just so we can get it on the record so we can make sure we update the resolution. So you want the whole condition to say the abuing alley along the developing area of the lot is to be improved up to the south boundary of the Jack in the Box lot by the developer with a high standard of asphalt thickness 3 in of asphalt 12.5 mm over six inches of ABC. Yes. Okay. Just wanted to clarify so we have it for the record. We can re we can write the resolution early. Great.

Thank Thank you Mark Page to clarify that for us. Okay. I'll second that. Thank you. I'm I'm going to go I'm going Oh shoot. Did I forget something? I thought we All right. We have a first and a second. Um any discussion on the motion? All right. Please call the role. Member Ibraham. I. Member Kle. Yes. Member Smith. Yes. Member Aldrret. I. Member Hubard. Yes. Vice Chair Garza. I. And Chairman Benedict.

Yes. All right. Motion passes. Thank you. Appreciate appreciate your working with our staff. Um and uh hope to hope you have very good success and just enough traffic to keep you profitable [laughter] and no more. Thank you guys. Thank you. Okay. Next,

we will do consider a request and hold a public hearing by Jordan Rose Law Group to amend the Carlton Commons PAD to allow for a permanent leasing office as part of Carlton's Commons DSA 2500168. Sam, talk to us.

All right. Good evening. So, uh, we're here, as you said, to hold a public hearing, consider a request by Jordan Rose and Rose Law Group to amend the Carlton Commons PD to allow a permanent leasing office as part of the Carlton Commons uh, build a rent community. U, the applicant, Jordan Rose requesting a change to the Carlton Commons plant area development to allow for a permanent leasing office. Um, the approved PD contains language that explicitly allows for, as it says, internal amenities. Um but it does not find define what qualifies as an internal amenity. So uh since this language is is vague as if to a leasing office is an approved amenity uh this amendment simply seeks to clarify um that it is um allowed. And we have also added some design and zoning guidelines. Um to give an idea, this is the Carlton Common single family um subdivision um south of East Dome between P and Arizona. Um and if we zoom in to this northwest corner here um you can see that this is their um parcel one special product. Um it is unlike a traditional build to rent. Uh these are individual single family residences that are on uh single lots. Um the only difference between this and the rest of a uh the the subdivision is that these lots are not for sale. Um these will be leased out lots. [clears throat] Um and then we zoom in a little bit more and we can see the uh proposed site of the leasing office. Um a little bit of history um on model home complexes. If this was a traditional forale product, um, as the rest of Carlton Commons is, they would

turn one of the existing homes into a model home complex, they would use that as their office. Once enough homes sold out, then they would revert that office back [clears throat] to a single family residence. because of the permanent nature. Uh initially they were going to just transit that lease or the sales office model complex into their leasing office. Um but because of the permanent nature um with the city is requiring that they build. Um so that is what they've intended to do and again that the vagarity of that um amenities. Um we just want to make sure that it's clear that a leasing office is allowed at this site. Um so and here is their preliminary site plan. Um and then so here is the existing text in regards to the uh parcel one unique product. Um and a there is the uh item in question is you know parcel one shall have its own internal amenities including but not necessarily limited to one ramada covered dot lot walkways and benches. Um so we wanted again to make sure that it is clear for future use and that this is a permanent leasing office and that it is allowed um under this uh pad guide. Um staff is um recommending that we add the text um that you see here. Um essentially that one lot is allowed to be used as a permanent leasing office. Um did have to put in there that this would be solely for the use of the Carlton Commons special housing product. Um so that in the future it doesn't become a commercial office for something else down the line. I want to make sure their staff wants to make sure that it's

in line with this community and doesn't become some commercial venture 30 years down the road or at least if it does they come back here before the committee the commission. Um setbacks landscaping and building height should uh follow the design guide for the rest of that community there. So, as much as possible to uh match the residential feel and aesthetic of the community, we really want this to blend in as much as possible. And then and then we gave them some um guidance on signs. Uh this the R1 status would not normally allow a commercial type signage. So, we wanted to add some language in there that would allow them to have a respectable amount of signage, but still keep that within the limits of um a residential neighborhood. Uh here's the criteria for uh conformance with city code. Um and I'll dig into these a little bit here. So, the proposed leasing office design will be consistent with the surrounding single family residences with the intent to uh blend into the character of the surrounding single family residences. Uh, professional offices are compatible with both the neighborhood's general plan designation as well as in line with the intentions of the amenities outlined in the existing PAD. So, this isn't changing zoning. This isn't increasing the use. Um it's just a clarification and these are allowed both general plan designation and the PAD guide. And finally, a site plan will be required for any development of a leasing office at that time. The design criteria will be evaluated against all pertinent PAD and residential design guides as well as all applicable zoning requirements. So at this time, it's just the uh text amendment. when the site plan process begins again, we'll be able

to um ensure that those design guides are being followed. Public notification has been uh has been met um as required. There has been no inquiries at this time about this proposal. Um, so at this time, staff is recommending that the planning and zoning commission approve DSA2000168, a request by Jordan Rose Law Group to amend the Carlton Commons P A. And then are there questions? Be sure that I'm clear. Um, in your staff report is the verbiage correct? Okay, there it is.

And I have that verbiage here as well. Right. All right. Just make sure. Okay. Very good. Thank you. Questions for staff. Got off easy that time. And I know the applicant has prepared a presentation. Very good. With the applicant, their representative. Please come forward. Give us your name and address for the record.

Thank you. Hello, my name is Samantha Deamas. I'm with Rose Law Group, 7144 East Stson. I'm here today on behalf of Dr. Horton um regarding the Carlton Commons PA amendment. I'll keep this quick because Sam pretty much covered everything. Um and just quick thank you to staff. they've been very helpful throughout this process um interpreting the So um so this is the location um it's within the greater Carlton Commons PAD um but like Sam said it's in a special tract that is a special product for um leasing only single family homes. Um so that's the entire Carlton Commons P A that it sits within. Um, so the site in consideration is about a little under 5,000 square ft. Um, and what we're really here for tonight is just making the leasing office permanent. Um, you know, the original P8 allows clubouses, amenities, all these things. It just wasn't quite clear enough. So, through working with staff, we decided that the best path forward for clarity's sake was just to have it listed as a by right use. Um and so because leasing this is our one and leasing office technically has a commercial element to it. So um but we plan to completely maintain the residential character and essentially have it look like a model home in a way but it it's a is an office use. So and the this lot is currently vacant. Okay. And that's the tract. Um, so we'll have a lobby, a break room, office, bathrooms. Um, everything besides the lobby and the office itself

is for the staff's use. Um, we don't expect more than a few members of staff to be here at any given time. And then the parking addition is to meet the ADA requirements for this type of use. Um, and so this was already a contemplated use in a way, but we just see it as the best way to serve the residents is to have a permanent leasing office throughout the life of the project since it is a special product. [snorts] Um, and so that's our current preliminary site plan. Um, obviously we're still going to go through design review and site planning with staff. Um, but this is sort of the general idea. Um, and yeah, I am happy to take any questions.

Very good. Any questions? I have one. Yep. Susan, do uh is there a product like this in the state anywhere else? This rental leasing. I mean, I guess it's like home leases, right? It's like apartment homes, I guess. Yeah. I guess um the closest adjacent use would be a build in a way, but you do you have your entire own lot. So um I guess that would be the main difference. Um the rest of Carlton Commons is contemplated to be for sale. So this one will be basically just single family homes but just for rent. But Dr. Horton doesn't do this anywhere else. This will be the first time that they're going to be doing this type.

Uh no, they have built to rent products elsewhere. I can't name an a specific one at this time. Um but there's many of their developments have different amenities within them for um but for this one um we just it wasn't yet contemplated in the PA because the PED is like 20 years old or a little more. So um we just wanted to clarify more with this. Yeah. Yeah. I've just never seen it before. It's different. That's a good thing. I like different. Would you be renting out to like Airbnb?

Um, no. That's not the intention of the development. Um, this won't change anything about the greater development and how it's running. We're not nothing in the application is asking to change the approved homes or how they're used. Um, it'll be owned and leased leased out by an operator. We just want to have the office on site so it's easier to reach the residents and help anyone who has concerns.

So, and as you say, this was a while back when the PD was put in place. Um, if you can uh remind me about this this rental product in relation to the surrounding area, I guess really in relation to cause certificates of assured water supply. Is that the issue? Are we are you out of cause for this development? Um, I sorry this application is not in relation to the other. I can't comment on the cause of this side, but you're absolutely correct and I absolutely realize that. [laughter]

I'm just I'm just asking Sam can you don't mind? Cause is available for these lots. This is not a reaction to lack of cause. That cause is available had they wanted to make these um traditional forale single lots. Um, so this is not a cause. Um, and that's not an issue. Okay. Sorry. Said they just wanted to rent them, lease them, and and and I guess their right to lease instead of instead of subdivide them has already been decided in that pad.

That is the Yeah. From I believe it was 2006. the they've always been intended as a special product um as a lease project project or product. Okay. That site as you say that issue is that issue isn't before us um as frustrated as I might be that it is subdivided uh they were done as Zlots. So in the future they can still be sold as single family residents. Okay. This indicates your intention is not to do that. Yes.

Okay. Again, thank you. Appreciate that. Guess that was a point of personal preference or something like Anyway, any other questions for the applicant. Okay, seeing none, thank you very much. Anyone from the public like to address this issue, please come forward. Okay. All right. Seeing none, I'll close the public portion of the meeting and bring it back to the commission. What is your wishes?

Somebody. Yes. Is pause. Is your mic on? Is she Is he coming? It is now. Okay. I pushed the button. I just have to hit it a couple times. Mr. Sure. Yes. I would like to move to approve DSA 2500168. Okay, that's pretty much a second. There's a second. Thank you. Uh, any discussion on the motion? Okay, seeing none, please call the role. Member Ibraham, I. Member Kle, yes. Member Smith, yes. Member Alderret, I. Member Hubard. Yes. Vice Chair Garza.

Hi. And Chairman Benedict. Yes. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you very much. Okay. Thank you. Director, talk to us.

Thank you, Mr. Chair, members of the commission. The only item not on your list that uh you may already be aware of is the city the KTO project that was um denied by the commission of a vote of 4 to three was appealed to the city council. The city council heard that item and voted um to overturn the decision of the planning and zoning commission and approved that product or approve that project. One thing I can say is that the applicant for that project um brought their a team I guess so to speak to the council meeting which I don't think they did that when they presented that item before the commission. Going forward, we are encouraging the applicants to bring their a team to before the commission as well in order to provide the commission with all the information that you need in order to make a um a sound decision and and vote on these. So, I think that was the biggest difference between what was presented to you before the commission and what was then presented before the city council. Other than that, I have no other updates. Thank you. Okay. It I don't if anybody saw that it was a substantially um more robust presentation.

That's what I heard. It was I I was um Well, it's just frustrating because we could have saved them time and you know and us too, I think. Well, maybe maybe not. Some of those things haven't gone away. They didn't change the world, but Well, I think some of those um some of those things we talked about today. I mean that traffic's on panel. It goes through Cottonwood. So I think they're all valid reasons that we brought up in that site plan process. Chairman, sorry. Sorry. Oh, I don't want to interrupt anybody, but because these are reports, we're not really supposed to be discussing them. They're just supposed to be a report on current events to the

So, I just wanted to point that out before we get too far down a discussion hole rabbit hole. So, um, [laughter] sorry, I didn't I didn't want to interrupt you. Please, thank Mark. Thank you. You got to keep us, as you know, you got to watch us and bring us back in line. Can I mention something related to this item, though? So, Oh, sure. Dan. Oh, yeah.

You know, I I know that you glaze through these very quickly. It would be very helpful if you gave us some numbers related to some of this information when you do approve plat we do not see. And I want to make sure that the public understands that when they see all these apartments going in, they are not from the planning commission. [laughter] So I'd really love for you to go through this a little more robustly so that they can hear what staff's approving. Okay. So you're looking for maybe a little bit more of a description.

It would be helpful. Yeah. Description or you can speak to the items. I don't, you know, just that one that you talked about, the one that they overturned, I know wasn't listed on here, but things like that are helpful for us to hear. Okay, that was it. Sorry. No, that's I think that's the the apartments from um Prominade were ones that were on the last agenda that kind of got glossed over that we denied that you approved. So, I just want to make sure that people are understanding that uh it's not a commission decision. Okay.

All right. Anything else? We go to the order. Okay. Then we are adjourned. Yay. Like to close it with it. We never open it.